Speaker 1: Congressman Matt Gates, who says he's going to seek a
Speaker 1: motion to vakate. He's going to try to oust you
Speaker 1: a Speaker of the House.
Speaker 2: That's nothing new. He's tried to do that from the
Speaker 2: moment I ran for the office.
Speaker 1: Look well, this time he says he's going to keep going.
Speaker 1: May not get there before the fifteenth ballot, but it
Speaker 1: took fifteen for Kevin McCarthy. He says he's coming for you.
Speaker 1: Can you survive, Yes, I'll survive. You need two hundred
Speaker 1: and eighteen votes to vake Kate. Has Hakeem Jeffries, the
Speaker 1: Democratic leader, said that he will.
Speaker 2: Well, still what he hasn't said anything about what he's
Speaker 2: going to do.
Speaker 1: Look well, Democrat Democrats could cross over and follow Gates's
Speaker 1: lead on this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, Gates is trying to work with Democrats. He's reached
Speaker 2: out to Swallowell to AOC and others. But if that's
Speaker 2: the way we're going to govern, I don't think America
Speaker 2: is going to be successful.
Speaker 4: Is that the way we're going to govern? So this
Speaker 4: whole issue is splitting the Republican Party. On Saturday, I
Speaker 4: had ninety no votes on the legislation that Kevin McCarthy
Speaker 4: put on the floor from the Republicans, but one hundred
Speaker 4: and twenty six yes, along with all of the Democrats
Speaker 4: but one to pass the legislation.
Speaker 3: One of the yes votes was Congressman Tom McClintock. He
Speaker 3: represents the fifth Congressional District of California, which stretches from
Speaker 3: the Sacramento suburbs to Yosemite National Park.
Speaker 4: Still waiting for.
Speaker 3: You to do something about the bears and the Yosemite, Tom,
Speaker 3: But I guess we'll keep waiting. Let's talk about the
Speaker 3: more relevant issues. First of all, Hello, how are.
Speaker 5: You just fine? Just just bring him more picnic baskets?
Speaker 3: That's all right, bring them back up, picanic basket, that's right.
Speaker 4: So why were you a yes vote? Part one of
Speaker 4: the questions? And will you be a yes or no
Speaker 4: vote for keeping McCarthy around?
Speaker 5: First, Yes, I'll be a yes vote for keeping Kevin around.
Speaker 5: I think he's done an extraordinary job. And the reason
Speaker 5: I've voted yes on this is because we've learned from
Speaker 5: past experience that a government shutdown can be administered in
Speaker 5: a manner that does enormous damage to the economy and
Speaker 5: of the lives of millions of Americans. The president, if
Speaker 5: he wants to, can destroy every small business on federal
Speaker 5: land and all of the adjacent to federal land. Obama
Speaker 5: in twenty thirteen went so far as to barricade every
Speaker 5: monument and memorial chain the gates of every acre of
Speaker 5: federal land. He even barricaded the turnouts overlooking the Yosemite
Speaker 5: Valley so people couldn't even pull over to catch a
Speaker 5: glimpse of it. And mister Biden made it very clear
Speaker 5: that he intended to follow that strategy specifically designed to
Speaker 5: create a panic and to force an immediate resolution in
Speaker 5: favor of the status. Quote. This at a time when
Speaker 5: we've taken up and adopted appropriations bills that now comprised
Speaker 5: seventy percent of the federal discretionary spending and are adopting
Speaker 5: the reforms and spending reductions that we conservatives have dreamed
Speaker 5: of for many years.
Speaker 3: So you think that the measure, especially the original measure
Speaker 3: which kind of shot down, You thought that was making
Speaker 3: substantial progress toward fiscal sanity and away from fiscal ruin
Speaker 3: which you know, we feel like the federal governments on.
Speaker 4: The road too.
Speaker 5: Well, what my preference was the earlier continuing resolution that
Speaker 5: was just for thirty days that would allow us to
Speaker 5: complete our work on the appropriations bills, that would have
Speaker 5: averted a shutdown while reducing non defense discretionary spending by
Speaker 5: a whopping eight percent and enacting the border security bill
Speaker 5: that we previously passed. That is the strongest border security
Speaker 5: bill in a century. It would have stopped the illegal
Speaker 5: mass migration we're seeing right now. Unfortunately, twenty one Republicans
Speaker 5: joined two hundred and twelve Democrats to defeat that resolution,
Speaker 5: leaving our conference with no choice but to put a
Speaker 5: forty five day continuing resolution on the floor without those
Speaker 5: reforms to avoid the shutdown and to allow us to
Speaker 5: continue our work to complete the appropriations problem.
Speaker 4: Well, for people who don't understand the people that voted
Speaker 4: against it, they want more spending cuts, they want to
Speaker 4: tackle our debt more. Why are they wrong, Tom.
Speaker 5: Well, they're wrong simply because we don't have the votes
Speaker 5: for that. If we did, I'd go for it absolutely.
Speaker 5: What we did have, though, is an eight percent reduction
Speaker 5: and the strongest border security bill in a century. I
Speaker 5: think that's pretty good. And then thirty days to complete
Speaker 5: the other appropriations bills, which adopt further reforms and further
Speaker 5: spending reductions. But in this case, two hundred and twelve
Speaker 5: Democrats said no, But unfortunately also twenty one Republicans said no,
Speaker 5: and that's what doomed it and produce a situation we're
Speaker 5: now in.
Speaker 3: Let's go a little big picture on the politics of
Speaker 3: our time. What do you think is going on with say,
Speaker 3: the squad on the left. They don't have anywhere near
Speaker 3: the votes they need to enact their you know, pipe dreams,
Speaker 3: but they're spouting off about them all the time. Then
Speaker 3: you got this smallest group of Republicans on the right
Speaker 3: likewise will accept no compromise, in my opinion, even though
Speaker 3: that's the nature of government, you have to compromise. What's
Speaker 3: their math? What are they thinking?
Speaker 5: Well, you know what Franklin said about that, And as
Speaker 5: his closing speech the convention, he said, when you assemble
Speaker 5: a number of men to have the advantage of their
Speaker 5: joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men all of
Speaker 5: their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests,
Speaker 5: and their selfish views. You're not going to get a
Speaker 5: perfect product from that, and that, unfortunately is the system
Speaker 5: that we have today, but we're getting a pretty good
Speaker 5: product from it. As I said, substantial reductions and spending
Speaker 5: at a time when our government is in the process
Speaker 5: of bankrupting our country and border security, at the time
Speaker 5: when our country is being overrun by the largest mass
Speaker 5: migration ever recorded. Those were pretty good steps forward, and
Speaker 5: unfortunately we had twenty one Republicans and two hundred and
Speaker 5: twelve Democrats in the House that said no to that,
Speaker 5: and that was enough to stop it. We do now.
Speaker 5: We have now bought forty five days to complete the
Speaker 5: appropriations process, but if Gates makes his move to vacate
Speaker 5: the chair, it's only going to require four other Republican
Speaker 5: members to join the Democrats who achieve that result in
Speaker 5: the immediate effect is going to be to paralyze the
Speaker 5: House indefinitely because no other business can be taken up
Speaker 5: until a replacement selected. Just when we're on the verge
Speaker 5: of completing the appropriations process and having joined those five
Speaker 5: conservative Republicans to vacate the chair, I sincerely doubt the
Speaker 5: Democrats are going to side with them to name a replacement.
Speaker 5: Democrats are going to recruit the most liberal Republicans to
Speaker 5: establish a left of Center coalition to run the House.
Speaker 5: This isn't unprecedented. This is exactly what happened in California
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety four, and a coalition speaker is going
Speaker 5: to move the administration of the House sharply to the left,
Speaker 5: and I think it'll effectively end the Republican House majority
Speaker 5: of the people elected in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: Why, I don't think Gates is bluffing. He says he's
Speaker 4: going to call for, you know, one of these votes
Speaker 4: to try to get Kevin McCarthy out, and then I
Speaker 4: think the rules are that you got two days to
Speaker 4: have the vote, so it'll happen pretty fast.
Speaker 5: Right, and he only needs four Republicans to join them.
Speaker 5: I just hope that those four Republicans will put aside
Speaker 5: their prejudices and their passions and theirs of opinion and
Speaker 5: make a choice that is absolutely essential if we're going
Speaker 5: to complete the process that we've started to bring our
Speaker 5: finances back under control and a secure border.
Speaker 3: Tom mclinto's a Republican congressman from the fifth district to California.
Speaker 3: So let me take a quick look at the other
Speaker 3: side of the aisle specifically, and this is a complete
Speaker 3: change of topic. Do you think Joe Biden's actually going
Speaker 3: to be running at the end of the Democratic Convention
Speaker 3: next summer, do you think he's going to be the candidate?
Speaker 5: Well, I can't read minds that I can't tell fortunes,
Speaker 5: but I think we make a mistake making him the issue.
Speaker 5: It's not Joe Biden who's the issue. It is the
Speaker 5: socialist policies that he and the Democrats in the House
Speaker 5: have enacted that have brought our country to the verge
Speaker 5: of bankruptcy. We have to confront that issue with Margaret
Speaker 5: to Thath who said, first you win the argument, then
Speaker 5: you in the election. We have to win the argument
Speaker 5: over whether we're going to become just another failed socialist
Speaker 5: country or whether we're going to restore the uniquely American
Speaker 5: principles of individual liberty and constitutionally limited government and person
Speaker 5: responsibility that made this the most prosperous and a most
Speaker 5: envied country in the history of the world.
Speaker 4: So you were a yes vote on Saturday, and you
Speaker 4: say you'll be a yes vote to keep Kevin McCarthy
Speaker 4: speaker probably later this week.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 3: Nobody else wants the job, right, it's too hard.
Speaker 5: There is another issue there. But look, we have a
Speaker 5: very very slender majority, and Kevin has accomplished some truly
Speaker 5: remarkable achievements with it, including the border security build that
Speaker 5: we passed out several weeks ago, including the spending reductions
Speaker 5: that we've been able to get through the House this year.
Speaker 5: And I don't know of anyone, given the limitations of
Speaker 5: that office, who could who could possibly have accomplished as
Speaker 5: much as Kevin and kept his cool through all of
Speaker 5: this too, which is something I certainly wouldn't have done.
Speaker 3: Tom mcclintac represents the fifth District of California. He's a Republican. Tom,
Speaker 3: good to talk to you. Thanks, good to talk to you.
Speaker 3: Thanks Armstrong and Getty.