1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Congressman Matt Gates, who says he's going to seek a 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: motion to vakate. He's going to try to oust you 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: a Speaker of the House. 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: That's nothing new. He's tried to do that from the 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: moment I ran for the office. 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Look well, this time he says he's going to keep going. 7 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: May not get there before the fifteenth ballot, but it 8 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: took fifteen for Kevin McCarthy. He says he's coming for you. 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Can you survive, Yes, I'll survive. You need two hundred 10 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: and eighteen votes to vake Kate. Has Hakeem Jeffries, the 11 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Democratic leader, said that he will. 12 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: Well, still what he hasn't said anything about what he's 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: going to do. 14 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Look well, Democrat Democrats could cross over and follow Gates's 15 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: lead on this. 16 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 17 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 2: Look, Gates is trying to work with Democrats. He's reached 18 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: out to Swallowell to AOC and others. But if that's 19 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: the way we're going to govern, I don't think America 20 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: is going to be successful. 21 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 4: Is that the way we're going to govern? So this 22 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 4: whole issue is splitting the Republican Party. On Saturday, I 23 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 4: had ninety no votes on the legislation that Kevin McCarthy 24 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 4: put on the floor from the Republicans, but one hundred 25 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 4: and twenty six yes, along with all of the Democrats 26 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 4: but one to pass the legislation. 27 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: One of the yes votes was Congressman Tom McClintock. He 28 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: represents the fifth Congressional District of California, which stretches from 29 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: the Sacramento suburbs to Yosemite National Park. 30 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 4: Still waiting for. 31 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: You to do something about the bears and the Yosemite, Tom, 32 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: But I guess we'll keep waiting. Let's talk about the 33 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: more relevant issues. First of all, Hello, how are. 34 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 5: You just fine? Just just bring him more picnic baskets? 35 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: That's all right, bring them back up, picanic basket, that's right. 36 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 4: So why were you a yes vote? Part one of 37 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 4: the questions? And will you be a yes or no 38 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 4: vote for keeping McCarthy around? 39 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 5: First, Yes, I'll be a yes vote for keeping Kevin around. 40 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 5: I think he's done an extraordinary job. And the reason 41 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 5: I've voted yes on this is because we've learned from 42 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 5: past experience that a government shutdown can be administered in 43 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 5: a manner that does enormous damage to the economy and 44 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 5: of the lives of millions of Americans. The president, if 45 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 5: he wants to, can destroy every small business on federal 46 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 5: land and all of the adjacent to federal land. Obama 47 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 5: in twenty thirteen went so far as to barricade every 48 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 5: monument and memorial chain the gates of every acre of 49 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 5: federal land. He even barricaded the turnouts overlooking the Yosemite 50 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 5: Valley so people couldn't even pull over to catch a 51 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 5: glimpse of it. And mister Biden made it very clear 52 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 5: that he intended to follow that strategy specifically designed to 53 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 5: create a panic and to force an immediate resolution in 54 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 5: favor of the status. Quote. This at a time when 55 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 5: we've taken up and adopted appropriations bills that now comprised 56 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 5: seventy percent of the federal discretionary spending and are adopting 57 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 5: the reforms and spending reductions that we conservatives have dreamed 58 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 5: of for many years. 59 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: So you think that the measure, especially the original measure 60 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: which kind of shot down, You thought that was making 61 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: substantial progress toward fiscal sanity and away from fiscal ruin 62 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: which you know, we feel like the federal governments on. 63 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: The road too. 64 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 5: Well, what my preference was the earlier continuing resolution that 65 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 5: was just for thirty days that would allow us to 66 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 5: complete our work on the appropriations bills, that would have 67 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 5: averted a shutdown while reducing non defense discretionary spending by 68 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 5: a whopping eight percent and enacting the border security bill 69 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 5: that we previously passed. That is the strongest border security 70 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 5: bill in a century. It would have stopped the illegal 71 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 5: mass migration we're seeing right now. Unfortunately, twenty one Republicans 72 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 5: joined two hundred and twelve Democrats to defeat that resolution, 73 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 5: leaving our conference with no choice but to put a 74 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 5: forty five day continuing resolution on the floor without those 75 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 5: reforms to avoid the shutdown and to allow us to 76 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 5: continue our work to complete the appropriations problem. 77 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: Well, for people who don't understand the people that voted 78 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 4: against it, they want more spending cuts, they want to 79 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 4: tackle our debt more. Why are they wrong, Tom. 80 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 5: Well, they're wrong simply because we don't have the votes 81 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 5: for that. If we did, I'd go for it absolutely. 82 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 5: What we did have, though, is an eight percent reduction 83 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 5: and the strongest border security bill in a century. I 84 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 5: think that's pretty good. And then thirty days to complete 85 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 5: the other appropriations bills, which adopt further reforms and further 86 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 5: spending reductions. But in this case, two hundred and twelve 87 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 5: Democrats said no, But unfortunately also twenty one Republicans said no, 88 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 5: and that's what doomed it and produce a situation we're 89 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 5: now in. 90 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 3: Let's go a little big picture on the politics of 91 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: our time. What do you think is going on with say, 92 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: the squad on the left. They don't have anywhere near 93 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 3: the votes they need to enact their you know, pipe dreams, 94 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 3: but they're spouting off about them all the time. Then 95 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: you got this smallest group of Republicans on the right 96 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: likewise will accept no compromise, in my opinion, even though 97 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: that's the nature of government, you have to compromise. What's 98 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: their math? What are they thinking? 99 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 5: Well, you know what Franklin said about that, And as 100 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 5: his closing speech the convention, he said, when you assemble 101 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 5: a number of men to have the advantage of their 102 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 5: joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men all of 103 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 5: their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, 104 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 5: and their selfish views. You're not going to get a 105 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 5: perfect product from that, and that, unfortunately is the system 106 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 5: that we have today, but we're getting a pretty good 107 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 5: product from it. As I said, substantial reductions and spending 108 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 5: at a time when our government is in the process 109 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 5: of bankrupting our country and border security, at the time 110 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 5: when our country is being overrun by the largest mass 111 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 5: migration ever recorded. Those were pretty good steps forward, and 112 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 5: unfortunately we had twenty one Republicans and two hundred and 113 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 5: twelve Democrats in the House that said no to that, 114 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 5: and that was enough to stop it. We do now. 115 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 5: We have now bought forty five days to complete the 116 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 5: appropriations process, but if Gates makes his move to vacate 117 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 5: the chair, it's only going to require four other Republican 118 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 5: members to join the Democrats who achieve that result in 119 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 5: the immediate effect is going to be to paralyze the 120 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 5: House indefinitely because no other business can be taken up 121 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 5: until a replacement selected. Just when we're on the verge 122 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 5: of completing the appropriations process and having joined those five 123 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 5: conservative Republicans to vacate the chair, I sincerely doubt the 124 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 5: Democrats are going to side with them to name a replacement. 125 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 5: Democrats are going to recruit the most liberal Republicans to 126 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 5: establish a left of Center coalition to run the House. 127 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 5: This isn't unprecedented. This is exactly what happened in California 128 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety four, and a coalition speaker is going 129 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 5: to move the administration of the House sharply to the left, 130 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 5: and I think it'll effectively end the Republican House majority 131 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 5: of the people elected in twenty twenty two. 132 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 4: Why, I don't think Gates is bluffing. He says he's 133 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 4: going to call for, you know, one of these votes 134 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 4: to try to get Kevin McCarthy out, and then I 135 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 4: think the rules are that you got two days to 136 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 4: have the vote, so it'll happen pretty fast. 137 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 5: Right, and he only needs four Republicans to join them. 138 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 5: I just hope that those four Republicans will put aside 139 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 5: their prejudices and their passions and theirs of opinion and 140 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 5: make a choice that is absolutely essential if we're going 141 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 5: to complete the process that we've started to bring our 142 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 5: finances back under control and a secure border. 143 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: Tom mclinto's a Republican congressman from the fifth district to California. 144 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: So let me take a quick look at the other 145 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: side of the aisle specifically, and this is a complete 146 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: change of topic. Do you think Joe Biden's actually going 147 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: to be running at the end of the Democratic Convention 148 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: next summer, do you think he's going to be the candidate? 149 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 5: Well, I can't read minds that I can't tell fortunes, 150 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 5: but I think we make a mistake making him the issue. 151 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 5: It's not Joe Biden who's the issue. It is the 152 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 5: socialist policies that he and the Democrats in the House 153 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 5: have enacted that have brought our country to the verge 154 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 5: of bankruptcy. We have to confront that issue with Margaret 155 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 5: to Thath who said, first you win the argument, then 156 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 5: you in the election. We have to win the argument 157 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 5: over whether we're going to become just another failed socialist 158 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 5: country or whether we're going to restore the uniquely American 159 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 5: principles of individual liberty and constitutionally limited government and person 160 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 5: responsibility that made this the most prosperous and a most 161 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 5: envied country in the history of the world. 162 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: So you were a yes vote on Saturday, and you 163 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 4: say you'll be a yes vote to keep Kevin McCarthy 164 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: speaker probably later this week. 165 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 5: That's it. 166 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: Nobody else wants the job, right, it's too hard. 167 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 5: There is another issue there. But look, we have a 168 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 5: very very slender majority, and Kevin has accomplished some truly 169 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 5: remarkable achievements with it, including the border security build that 170 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,479 Speaker 5: we passed out several weeks ago, including the spending reductions 171 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 5: that we've been able to get through the House this year. 172 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 5: And I don't know of anyone, given the limitations of 173 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 5: that office, who could who could possibly have accomplished as 174 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 5: much as Kevin and kept his cool through all of 175 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 5: this too, which is something I certainly wouldn't have done. 176 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: Tom mcclintac represents the fifth District of California. He's a Republican. Tom, 177 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: good to talk to you. Thanks, good to talk to you. 178 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 3: Thanks Armstrong and Getty.