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Speaker 1: This is the Colts Free Agent Tracker, a look at

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Speaker 1: some key in house free agents this offseason, and the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Union Construction Industry radio studio. Here's the voice of

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Speaker 1: the Colts, Matt Taylor. Hello again, Welcome inside the Free

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Speaker 1: Agent Tracker podcast, our series here on Colts dot Com,

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Speaker 1: the Colts Mobile app, and the Colts Audio Network. This

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Speaker 1: is our offseason look at some in house free agents

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Speaker 1: for the Indianapolis Colts. I'm Matt Taylor inside the radio studio.

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Speaker 1: Across the way, it's Casey Valier and JJ stangevins NFL

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Speaker 1: free Agency. It's coming up. It starts in the middle

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Speaker 1: of March. The Colts have seventeen players that are said

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Speaker 1: to become free agents, either restricted or unrestricted unless they

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Speaker 1: sign with the Colts. First, last week, we took a

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Speaker 1: dive into wide receiver Ashton Dulin and linebacker Bobby Okaerk.

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Speaker 1: This week coming up in a few days, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about Taekwon Lewis. But today it's all about offense and

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Fellas. We're gonna take a look at Dennis

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Speaker 1: Kelly and Matt Prior, two trench pieces that are set

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Speaker 1: to become free agents for the Colts. First of all, Casey,

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Speaker 1: you know it's been a few days, but the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl was all about trench play. The offensive line for

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs did a fantastic job. I mean, I mean

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Speaker 1: both sides. I mean, really, if you think about it,

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Speaker 1: the one sack that came throughout the entire game just

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Speaker 1: if you will. But I mean, that is definitely one

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Speaker 1: That's how the game was for sure. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: start with prior. In training camp prior, as we remember,

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Speaker 1: NFL prior to twenty twenty two. He would start the

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Speaker 1: Week five, though, on a short week Thursday Night football

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Speaker 1: against the Broncos, he was moved to right tackle. Braden

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Speaker 1: all told Prior would wind up playing four games at

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Speaker 1: and down season there jj for Matt Pryor. So when

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Speaker 1: you look at it holistically, how would you assess the

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Speaker 1: season that Pryor had playing three different positions and ultimately

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Speaker 1: losing his hold on the starting lineup on the offensive line? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't what the Colts hoped it would be,

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Speaker 1: And it didn't play out that way. The Colts protection

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Speaker 1: Now it got better late in the season, but the

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Speaker 1: hard to grade. I think he showed some glimpses of

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