WEBVTT - SYMHC Classics: Jane Austen

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we know we have some dedicated listeners who've been

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<v Speaker 1>also know that we have lots of new listeners who

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<v Speaker 1>them and introduce them to some of our our older stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna try something new on Saturday's. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>re air some of our favorites from the past. To

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<v Speaker 1>kick it off, we have our Jane Austin episode, which

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<v Speaker 1>originally aired March and aside for being a personal favorite

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<v Speaker 1>of mine because I love her, she's the one that

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<v Speaker 1>was requested again and again, and she had even been

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<v Speaker 1>on the wish list for these shows prior hosts before

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<v Speaker 1>we even came on board. Welcome to Stuff You Missed

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<v Speaker 1>in History Class from how Stuff Works dot Com. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Holly Fry and we're just gonna get two things

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<v Speaker 1>out in the open. At the beginning of this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Thing number one. Jane Austen was not just a shy

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<v Speaker 1>spinster who wrote some little books mostly to amuse herself

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<v Speaker 1>and her own family. That's a common rumor. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>common rumor that is false. Another common maybe not rumor,

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<v Speaker 1>but another perception that is false. She was not like

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<v Speaker 1>the real life version of Elizabeth Bennett from Pride and Prejudice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that dovetails on the rumor, like people

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<v Speaker 1>think that her books were some sort of personal wish

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<v Speaker 1>fulfillment scenario, yeah, or sort of a fictionalization of her

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<v Speaker 1>own life, and they really were not. There. There's some

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<v Speaker 1>little things that you will read and Jane Austen books

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<v Speaker 1>that do have a little tie into her own life,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the most part, these were very, very definitely

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<v Speaker 1>fictional books from her imagination, not from real things that

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<v Speaker 1>had happened to her. Um. She is one of our

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<v Speaker 1>most requested writers, for sure, lots of people asking us

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about Jane Austen. So we're going to do

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<v Speaker 1>that today, talk about her not at all Jane Austen

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<v Speaker 1>novel like life, um, starting of course at the beginning. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was completely unlike any of the heroines in her books,

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<v Speaker 1>just not the same as her fictional world now. She

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<v Speaker 1>was born on December sixteenth, seventeen seventy five and Steventon, Hampshire,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was the seventh child and second daughter of

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<v Speaker 1>George Austen, who was an Anglican rector, and his wife Cassandra.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was christened the following April five and she

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<v Speaker 1>spent a little more than a year after that in

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<v Speaker 1>the care of another family in the village. She was

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<v Speaker 1>close enough that her parents could visit and for her

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<v Speaker 1>to be brought to the parsonage to visit as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jane went to live at home again once she

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<v Speaker 1>was a toddler. All of the Austin children at scept

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<v Speaker 1>for her brother George, who had uh some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>developmental disability, followed the same pattern like this was their

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<v Speaker 1>family practice, to send the children away and then bring

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<v Speaker 1>them back. It was an extremely successful practice. All of

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<v Speaker 1>the Austin children lived into adulthood, which is not common

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<v Speaker 1>at the time and not common at the time at

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<v Speaker 1>all um uh And by all accounts they were an

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<v Speaker 1>exceptionally modest family. I mean, it's eight children in the

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<v Speaker 1>end being raised on a rector's salary, which was not

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money, but they were exceptionally intelligent and literate.

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<v Speaker 1>Jane and her siblings and the many many cousins and

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<v Speaker 1>friends who would come to visit them and stay for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. We're also really creative and they like to

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<v Speaker 1>do things like put on plays together, and they made

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<v Speaker 1>extensive use of their father's five hundred volume library, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really where Jane cut her teeth on the world

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<v Speaker 1>of language. And if you've read any novel by Jane Austen,

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<v Speaker 1>or even seen any adaptation for film or television or

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<v Speaker 1>the screen, mean, you've probably picked up on the theme

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<v Speaker 1>that being smart and articulate can make up for not

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<v Speaker 1>inheriting a fortune. And this really was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Jane Austen's family family's values, having been written down in

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<v Speaker 1>almost those precise words by her father's grandmother long before

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<v Speaker 1>Jane was even born, that you can make something of

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<v Speaker 1>yourself even if you didn't inherit tons of money when

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<v Speaker 1>Jane was a child. This is to me where things

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<v Speaker 1>really diverge. If you are a fan of Jane Austen,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're they're definitely interesting male characters, but the focus

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<v Speaker 1>is really on the women and the women's lives and

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of the other women and the other sisters

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<v Speaker 1>and the cousins and the moms, and yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>most people think of her, uh and in some ways

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<v Speaker 1>as like a women's writer, really writing a lot about women,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot for women. But she grew up in a

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<v Speaker 1>house full of boys. She didn't really have that much

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<v Speaker 1>exposure to huge groups of women. I would even call

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<v Speaker 1>this upbringing overrun with boys. I mean she had she

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<v Speaker 1>had all of those brothers, you know, she was just

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<v Speaker 1>her and one of her sister, all of these brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>Her mother and father ran a boys school out of

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<v Speaker 1>their home to try to you know, make ends meet,

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<v Speaker 1>and so um, you know, Jane and her sister would

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<v Speaker 1>share a room and all the other bedrooms were full

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<v Speaker 1>of all these boys, and her father taught her brothers

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<v Speaker 1>and all of these other male children. And so she

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<v Speaker 1>lived in this like very rowdy, noisy, boyish environment and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what we would think of as a tomboy

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sense um until she was seven and went

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<v Speaker 1>away to boarding school with her sister Cassandra, and their

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<v Speaker 1>cousin named Jane Cooper went to the same school as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So from the toddler ages that she came back from

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<v Speaker 1>being with a wet nurse in the village until the

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<v Speaker 1>age of seven. Uh, noisy boy time all over the

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<v Speaker 1>place in Jane Austen's world. It stresses me out just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it. I kind of love it, many people do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not great with the loud children noises well, and

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that it reminds me of on on my

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<v Speaker 1>mom's side of the family, UM, I have there were

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<v Speaker 1>eleven children total in my generation, um, and only three

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<v Speaker 1>of us were girls, so kind of a similar proportion, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I like, I remember like the boy footsteps thundering

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<v Speaker 1>up and down the stairs, and I kind of imagined

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<v Speaker 1>that it was a little bit similar growing up growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in this many many boys and and uh boys

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<v Speaker 1>that she was related to, and ones who were brought

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<v Speaker 1>into study at the school. While I'm like this is stressful,

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<v Speaker 1>like hey, noisy fun time, but girls schools at this

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<v Speaker 1>point in history tended to be fairly meager and indifferent.

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<v Speaker 1>And it seems that the school that Jane went to

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<v Speaker 1>was really better than most. But while they are all

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<v Speaker 1>three of the girls got sick with what was probably typhus.

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<v Speaker 1>They did recover, but Jane Cooper's mother caught the illness

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<v Speaker 1>while nursing her back to health, and unfortunately she ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>died from it. Now, once they were all well, they

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<v Speaker 1>all spent another year at home, with Jane Cooper often

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<v Speaker 1>being there as well since her mother had died, and

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<v Speaker 1>they eventually all went off to another boarding school what

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<v Speaker 1>they only stayed for about a year before coming home

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<v Speaker 1>again for good and being taught at home. Jane's first

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps only love was Thomas Langlois la Foy, and

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<v Speaker 1>she met him in when he was visiting for the holidays. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they fell in love and were obvious enough about it

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<v Speaker 1>that it drew some attention, and soon enough his kids

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<v Speaker 1>sent him home again, either to protect Jane from him

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<v Speaker 1>or to protect him from Jane. Basically, people did not

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<v Speaker 1>want them together. It worked out fine for Thomas, who

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<v Speaker 1>married an heiress, but afterwards Jane really had little in

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<v Speaker 1>the way of suitors for a very long time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She he definitely got the longer end of the stick

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<v Speaker 1>on that whole breakup. Yeah, So let's talk about Jane

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<v Speaker 1>the grown up. She was not the only writer in

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<v Speaker 1>her family. Her mother panned little poems for the children

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<v Speaker 1>and for the students at the school. Jane's oldest brother, James,

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<v Speaker 1>was also a writer and a poet, and in January

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<v Speaker 1>of seventeen eighty nine he actually started his own magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>which was called The Loiterer and it ran for fourteen months.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jane's first written works were satires. One was called

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<v Speaker 1>Love and Friendship, which satirized romances, and a historical satire

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<v Speaker 1>called History of England. When she was around nineteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>she wrote an epistolary novel which, uh, on the off

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<v Speaker 1>chance you don't know what that means, it means the

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<v Speaker 1>novel that's written as a series of letters, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was called Eleanor and mary Anne, which would later become

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<v Speaker 1>Sense and Sensibility. Jane's parents stopped teaching in seventeen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>when Jane was twenty, so at this point the house

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<v Speaker 1>became a lot quieter. Uh. That year she started working

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<v Speaker 1>on First Impressions, which would later become Pride and Prejudice,

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<v Speaker 1>and about a year later she started rewriting Eleanor and

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<v Speaker 1>mary Anne, changing it from this series of letters into

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<v Speaker 1>a more linear narrative. She also wrote her first draft

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<v Speaker 1>of Northanger Abbey, which was originally called Susan between sev seventine,

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<v Speaker 1>so she basically banged out the bulk of three novels

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<v Speaker 1>in as many years, super productive. I'm kind of imagining

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<v Speaker 1>now that it was not quite so reality in the

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<v Speaker 1>house and she had a little headspace to herself. She

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<v Speaker 1>was like, let's write some books for real now. Jane's

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<v Speaker 1>family played a huge part in the process of her

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<v Speaker 1>writing and her rewriting of these books. In the evenings,

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<v Speaker 1>she would read her work aloud to Cassandra and her parents,

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<v Speaker 1>testing out her writing on the family, and she would

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<v Speaker 1>make notes to herself of what what worked and what

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<v Speaker 1>they responded to and what really needed to be revised.

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<v Speaker 1>Her father liked first Impressions so much that he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>to a publisher to ask how much it would cost

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<v Speaker 1>him to publish it at the family's expense. Uh. He

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<v Speaker 1>got this inquiry almost immediately marked declined by return of post,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jane got to work rewriting the book again. I actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I really like this about Jane's fother like he could

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<v Speaker 1>have been like, no, this is not a seemly thing

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<v Speaker 1>for you to be doing. Novels were not really respected

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<v Speaker 1>as a form of literature at this point in history,

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<v Speaker 1>and for a woman to be writing novels there were

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<v Speaker 1>other women novelists, but it was still kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>groundbreaking thing, and not a lot of published women novelists

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<v Speaker 1>in particulars. This is not a career women aspired to know,

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<v Speaker 1>and people generally thought that poetry and plays were a

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<v Speaker 1>much higher genre of literature than novels, where novels were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of trashy and scandalous. So um, the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he supported her in all of this, I really like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always, uh, sort of refreshing and heartwarming when you

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<v Speaker 1>hear about things like that kind of step outside the

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<v Speaker 1>boundaries of society's rules in an effort to sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, nurse along and nurture somebody's creative spirit. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The Austin's pretty much encouraged all their kids too, to

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<v Speaker 1>do what they wanted to do and to pursue their

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<v Speaker 1>own path in life. So a little bit of an exception.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the midst of all of this writing and rewriting, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>an event happened that didn't happen directly to Jane, but

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<v Speaker 1>it did really dramatically influence how she lived the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of her life. Cassandra was engaged to a man named

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Fowl, and Tom had gone abroad to try to

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<v Speaker 1>make enough money to afford to marry, and he and

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<v Speaker 1>Cassandra were supposed to get married around Easter of seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>nine seven, but he had not come home and the

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<v Speaker 1>wedding was postponed until spring, only for Cassandra to find

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<v Speaker 1>out many months after the fact that he had actually

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<v Speaker 1>died of yellow fever while he was away in February. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he he had already passed away when their wedding was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to have transpired, but it took so long for

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<v Speaker 1>news to get anywhere at this point that that she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know until much later. He did leave her money

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<v Speaker 1>in his will, not enough to make her totally independent,

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<v Speaker 1>but she wasn't completely destitute, and she effectively considered herself

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<v Speaker 1>to be a widow at this point. She and Jane

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<v Speaker 1>had always been extremely close, but from here on out

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<v Speaker 1>they basically were one another's primary companions, and a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years later there was another dramatic change in Jane's life.

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<v Speaker 1>She returned from visiting friends to learn that her parents

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<v Speaker 1>were moving to Bath and turning over the parsonage to

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<v Speaker 1>her brother James and his family. So Jane and Cassandra

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<v Speaker 1>were still mostly dependent on their parents at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>so that meant that they were going to be moving

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<v Speaker 1>to So Cassandra destroyed all of the letters that Jane

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<v Speaker 1>wrote to her about this, and that's something that she

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<v Speaker 1>she did with basically, any letter that Jane wrote her

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<v Speaker 1>that was extremely personal was destroyed. So we can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of glean from that that Jane was pretty upset by

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<v Speaker 1>this development. Stevenson was her home and she had, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>lived there for whole her whole life, and she and

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<v Speaker 1>her sister had to kind of watch as its furnishings

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<v Speaker 1>were divided up among their brothers. The books and the

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<v Speaker 1>and their father's beloved library were all sold off. The

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<v Speaker 1>place that had been their home was now their brother's

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<v Speaker 1>home and not theirs anymore. So it kind of shook

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<v Speaker 1>the foundations of of Jane's world a little bit well,

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<v Speaker 1>and her new location added to that because Bath was

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<v Speaker 1>much more urban than Steventon had been, and there were

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<v Speaker 1>also many more social demands, and Jane's parents had actually

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<v Speaker 1>met in Bath when they were about her age, so

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<v Speaker 1>she sort of had this feeling that it was on

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<v Speaker 1>her to do list when they moved there to find

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<v Speaker 1>a husband. Scholars don't completely agree about how this move

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<v Speaker 1>affected her writing. There are some who use the lack

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<v Speaker 1>of letters and new manuscripts and new novels written in

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<v Speaker 1>Bath as evidence that the whole thing was so distressing

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<v Speaker 1>that Jane just couldn't write. But there are others who

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<v Speaker 1>insist that she had always been writing and she wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>let she wouldn't have let moving stop her, so that

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<v Speaker 1>they theorized more that she was like rewriting. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a revision period rather than a new work period. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but we don't know for sure. I don't know for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>And regardless, there's a pretty big gap in her writing

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<v Speaker 1>output at this point. Yeah, at least in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>new content, we weren't seeing anything. We don't have tons,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike that three years where she was just like streaming.

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<v Speaker 1>Here are my three new books that didn't really happen

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<v Speaker 1>while she was in Bath. Her biggest life of him

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<v Speaker 1>during the Bath years actually happened back in Hampshire, when

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<v Speaker 1>Jane and Cassandra went to visit their friends, the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Sisters in December of eighteen o two. Their brother Harris Big,

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<v Speaker 1>asked Jane to marry him while she was there. They

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<v Speaker 1>had known each other since they were very young and

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<v Speaker 1>Jane accepted his proposal, but their engagement only lasted one night.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible that being in the BIG's house, where she

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<v Speaker 1>and Tom mcfroy had spent time in one another's company,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of stirred up old memories of a more passionate relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever the reasons, in the morning, Jane called the

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<v Speaker 1>engagement off as gently as she could, and she and Cassandra,

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<v Speaker 1>who had planned to stay for several weeks, asked to

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<v Speaker 1>be taken home immediately. Yeah, I can imagine the awkwardness

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<v Speaker 1>of yes, I will marry you, and in the morning

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<v Speaker 1>going not so much, Yes, I'm gonna go now. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and as with Tom, this all worked out fine for Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>He got married to someone else two years later and

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<v Speaker 1>they had ten children. Uh. Fortunately, it also does not

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<v Speaker 1>seem to have soured Jane's relationship with with the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the Big family. They were still friends after that,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they had She had had this extremely awkward,

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<v Speaker 1>less than twenty four hour engagement to their brother was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of funny, uh, And her one night engagement to

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<v Speaker 1>Harris Big seems to have kicked started Jane's desire to

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<v Speaker 1>write again and actually get her work published. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>if she did not get married, she was gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to find a way to manage once her parents passed away. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the reality of being a woman at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>If you did not have money, either from your family

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<v Speaker 1>or from your husband, then you did not have money.

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<v Speaker 1>That was how it worked. Jane's brother, Henry, became her

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<v Speaker 1>literary agent, and he also got the help of a

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer named William Seymour. The first book that they turned

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<v Speaker 1>their eye to was Northinger Abbey, which at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said earlier, was called Susan. They sold it

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<v Speaker 1>to a London publisher named Richard Crosby for ten pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>and although he advertised the book, he never actually did

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<v Speaker 1>anything with it. And Jane also started on a new book,

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<v Speaker 1>one that she never finished and had more direct parallels

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<v Speaker 1>to her own life than any of her other books.

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<v Speaker 1>It was called The Watsons and it was about four

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<v Speaker 1>impoverished daughters trying to find husbands before their father died.

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<v Speaker 1>She planned to kill off the father in the book,

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<v Speaker 1>but then her own father died in January of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>o five after a brief and sudden illness. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the saddest parts of that part of the story is

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<v Speaker 1>that it fell to Jane to write to her brother

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<v Speaker 1>Frank about their father's death, and after she had written

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<v Speaker 1>and sent that letter, her sister got another letter from

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<v Speaker 1>him that revealed that his ship was in Portsmouth, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was not where the first letter had been sent,

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<v Speaker 1>so Jane had to do that all over again. Kind

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<v Speaker 1>of makes your heart hurt. Her father had never had

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<v Speaker 1>much money, but his death meant that Jane and Cassandra

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<v Speaker 1>and their mother were basically completely penniless. They had to

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<v Speaker 1>move into smaller lodgings immediately. James Henry and Frank Austin

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<v Speaker 1>each offered to give them fifty pounds a year to

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<v Speaker 1>help make ends meet, and Frank, who was the most

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<v Speaker 1>well off, had originally offered a hundred pounds, but Jane's

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<v Speaker 1>mother would only accept half of that amount. So at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, Jane's mother had a little bit of money

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<v Speaker 1>of her own, Cassandra had inherited a little bit from

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<v Speaker 1>her deceased fiance. Jane, more than anyone else, was just

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<v Speaker 1>completely dependent on other people's generosity for every penny she had.

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<v Speaker 1>And on top of that, brothers, while you know they

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<v Speaker 1>seem to have had good intentions about wanting to look

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<v Speaker 1>after their mother and their sisters, but they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just took for granted that whatever arrangements they made were

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<v Speaker 1>going to be okay with her. Um. They would make,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, arrangements for getting the women from one place

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<v Speaker 1>to another without consulting them first, and then Jane would

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<v Speaker 1>sort of be like, actually, I am I have plans

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<v Speaker 1>to be in this place with these people at that time, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just sort of awkward. They all of their

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<v Speaker 1>moving around had to happen at the convenience of other people. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And so for about a year they did. They moved

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<v Speaker 1>around a whole lot, and it mainly had to live

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<v Speaker 1>off the generosity of others. I can imagine that being

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly stressful. I do not like that idea much at all,

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<v Speaker 1>and no like my independent spirit just like feels all

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<v Speaker 1>trapped thinking about it. Uh. In eighteen oh six, Frank,

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<v Speaker 1>who was in the Navy, suggested that the Austin Ladies

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<v Speaker 1>actually share a home with his wife to be because

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<v Speaker 1>he would be at sea a lot, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>lived together in Southampton for about three years. Then in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen o nine they made the move to Jane's most

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<v Speaker 1>famous home, Chotton cottage. And before we talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>happened there, let's take a moment for a word from

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<v Speaker 1>our sponsor, back to the the home where Jane Austen

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<v Speaker 1>got most of her work that was published during her

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime completed and published. Chotten Cottage was part of Edward

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<v Speaker 1>Austin's estate and he offered it to the Austin Ladies

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<v Speaker 1>when it's tenant died, so Jane, Cassandra, and their mother

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<v Speaker 1>all moved there, along with a sister in law in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen o nine. And that same year Jane wrote to

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Crosby, the publisher who had bought Susan, asking when

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<v Speaker 1>he might publish it. Uh. He said he didn't plan

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything with it, and offered to sell it

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<v Speaker 1>back to her for ten pounds, which of course she

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<v Speaker 1>did not have. I have I have an audio book

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<v Speaker 1>that is a collection of some of the letters to

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<v Speaker 1>and from Jane Austen Um And after reading the response

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<v Speaker 1>to this letter, there's a sound effect of her just

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<v Speaker 1>like crumpling up the paper. Um Like ten pounds does

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<v Speaker 1>not sound like a lot. But she did not have

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<v Speaker 1>the money to buy it back, and the publisher was

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<v Speaker 1>just not going to do anything with it um. Once

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<v Speaker 1>they were in this cottage, the four women lived a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quiet life. Jane and Cassandra shared a bedroom, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jane would get up first and play the piano for

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<v Speaker 1>a while and then make breakfast for everyone. And she

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<v Speaker 1>was otherwise exempt from most of the other household duties

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<v Speaker 1>as long as Martha, the sister in law, and Cassandra

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<v Speaker 1>were there to do them, and so she spent most

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<v Speaker 1>of her time writing. The first book that Henry was

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<v Speaker 1>able to find a publisher for was Sense and Sensibility,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was published in eighteen tens through Military Library

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<v Speaker 1>Whitehall at Henry's expense. Its author was simply listed as

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<v Speaker 1>a lady. A lady wrote Sense and Sensibility. The lady

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<v Speaker 1>wrote it. Uh. It came out at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eleven, and its first run had sold out by

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thirteen. Jane made a hundred and forty pounds on it,

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<v Speaker 1>which gave her a little independence. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 1>not enough money to to totally live off of, but

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<v Speaker 1>she was no longer one percent dependent on other people.

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<v Speaker 1>She could at least go by postage or plan, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a trip to visit a friend without having to ask

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<v Speaker 1>other people for many on. Thomas Edgerton, the publisher at

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<v Speaker 1>Military Library, was ready for another book before the printing

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<v Speaker 1>sold out, so she sold him Pride and Prejudice for

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred and ten pounds. Her name still did not

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<v Speaker 1>appear on the book. It was simply printed as being

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<v Speaker 1>by the author of Sense and Sensibility, and her identity

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<v Speaker 1>of the author as the author was mostly kept secret

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<v Speaker 1>outside the immediate family for years, so nobody knew that

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<v Speaker 1>she was writing these bestselling novels. The next book, and

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<v Speaker 1>another sold out print run, was Mansfield Park, and after

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<v Speaker 1>that came Emma, which she worked on between January eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen in March eighteen fifteen, and very gradually a few

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<v Speaker 1>people outside the immediate family started to learn that Jane

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<v Speaker 1>was the person writing all these books. And for reasons

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't entirely clear, uh Edgerton was not interested in

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<v Speaker 1>publishing a second run of Mansfield Park, and he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>publish Emma. Another publisher, John Murray, published it on commission.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though she was wildly successful for him and

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<v Speaker 1>he was probably making a lot of money, it was

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<v Speaker 1>like he wasn't really into keeping that writing. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if i'd go so far as to say

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<v Speaker 1>wildly successful. They were definitely successful, but she was not.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't like, she wasn't writing this centuries version of

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Potter. Like. Things were doing pretty well, they were

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<v Speaker 1>getting good reviews, but it wasn't like people were lining

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<v Speaker 1>up at the docks to get the first printing off

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<v Speaker 1>the ship. I'm trying to somehow my brain make that

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<v Speaker 1>similar to Oprah's Book Club, and it's not working yet. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually a little later before it became like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh this is these are the greatest books and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>should read them. Um. As she was working on Emma,

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<v Speaker 1>Jane received word that the Prince Regent, George the Fourth

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<v Speaker 1>was a fan of hers. His librarian asked her to

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<v Speaker 1>come visit Carlton House, which was the Prince Regent's London residents,

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<v Speaker 1>which she did. He also told her that she might

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<v Speaker 1>dedicate the next book to the Prince Regent, which she

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<v Speaker 1>also did. Her what she actually wrote at the dedication

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<v Speaker 1>was very simple. What actually wound up on the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the title page a lot more elaborate. Um. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she she definitely had fans and high high places. And

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<v Speaker 1>at this point it seems as though things were going

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<v Speaker 1>quite well for Jane and the rest of the Austin's,

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<v Speaker 1>but in eighteen sixteen the family fell on hard times.

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<v Speaker 1>The ship that her brother Charles was commanding wrecked in

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<v Speaker 1>the Mediterranean. He survived, but he did not get another

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<v Speaker 1>command for a decade, and her brother Frank, an admiral

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<v Speaker 1>by this time, was on half pay. Both of these

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<v Speaker 1>reversals of fortune were ultimately because England was finally no

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<v Speaker 1>longer at war with France, and on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>the bank that Jane's brother Henry was running also failed

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<v Speaker 1>and Henry went bankrupt. Henry and Frank at this point

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<v Speaker 1>had both still been contributing their fifty pounds a year

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of the upkeep of their mother and sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>but now neither of them could afford to do it anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>and even though Jane was earning money from her books,

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<v Speaker 1>this did put a big dent in her finances. Henry

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<v Speaker 1>eventually set out to be ordained and he was given

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<v Speaker 1>the curacy at Shotton, which helped a little bit. Jane

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<v Speaker 1>finally saved up enough money to buy back Northanger Abbey.

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<v Speaker 1>She also started working on persuasion, which at the time

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<v Speaker 1>was called the Elliotts it is my favorite of her books. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not totally realize until working on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have not read Persuasion, I have not. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it that the heroine of Persuasion basically has

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<v Speaker 1>a second chance, uh to sort of revive the first

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<v Speaker 1>love of her youth when she is a much older woman.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean not she's not exceptionally old, but she's a

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<v Speaker 1>little older than than the heroines of these books often are. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't quite realize that where Jane was at

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<v Speaker 1>this point in her life was she she was just

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<v Speaker 1>about to turn forty. She was, it was pretty clear

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<v Speaker 1>to her that it was unlikely that she was going

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<v Speaker 1>to have another romance in her life, and um, that

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<v Speaker 1>made that book a little more poiant for me. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>around the time that Jane turned forty, she started to

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<v Speaker 1>feel kind of vaguely unwell. Since they didn't like bath,

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Jane and Cassandra went to Cheltenham to take the waters there,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jane thought it made her feel a little bit better,

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<v Speaker 1>but by the time they returned home, she was starting

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<v Speaker 1>to have pain and fevers, and her letters continue to

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<v Speaker 1>insist that she was getting better, but in fact her

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 1>health declined. Before she became too ill to write, she

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<v Speaker 1>started on a book she called The Brothers, which she

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<v Speaker 1>never or finished. You can't find partial versions of it,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and versions of it that people have completed on

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<v Speaker 1>her behalf today under the name of Sandaton. Eventually, at

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<v Speaker 1>the insistence of her family, Jane was moved to Winchester

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<v Speaker 1>to be closer to medical care and from there. On

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<v Speaker 1>April seventeen, she wrote out a will, leaving everything to

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<v Speaker 1>Cassandra except for two fifty pound legacies. One was to

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<v Speaker 1>her brother Henry, who had been her literary agent effectively

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<v Speaker 1>for so long, and the other was to a friend

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<v Speaker 1>uh Madame Bijean, who had worked for her cousin Eliza.

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<v Speaker 1>Eliza was quite a dramatic character. We've talked almost not

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<v Speaker 1>about in this podcast, but she she could be a

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 1>subject of her own She was perhaps she was. She

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 1>was quite larger than life. On July seventeenth, after briefly rallying,

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Jane had some sort of seizure. Afterward, Cassandra sat with

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<v Speaker 1>her for six hours with her sister's head on a

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<v Speaker 1>hello in her lamp, and sister in law Mary took

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<v Speaker 1>over for two hours in the middle of the night

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 1>with Cassandra returning to her post at about three in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, and Jane died approximately an hour later on

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<v Speaker 1>the morning of the eighteenth of eighteen seventeen. Let her

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<v Speaker 1>written to their niece Fannie. Cassandra wrote, of Jane, she

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<v Speaker 1>was the son of my life, the guilder of every pleasure,

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<v Speaker 1>the soother of every sorrow. I had not a thought

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<v Speaker 1>concealed from her, and it is as if I had

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<v Speaker 1>lost a part of myself. Their brother Henry, secured permission

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.440
<v Speaker 1>for Jane to be buried in the Winchester Cathedral. They

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<v Speaker 1>had a very early morning funeral so as not to

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<v Speaker 1>interrupt the church services that would happen later in the day,

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>and while the casket was open, Cassandra caught cut some

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.119
<v Speaker 1>locks of Jane's hair, some to keep and some to

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<v Speaker 1>give to others. At least one of these survives until today.

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<v Speaker 1>Her obituary reads Miss Jane Austen, youngest daughter of the

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<v Speaker 1>late Reverend George Austin, Rector of Steventon in the Country

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 1>and Authoress of Emma Mansfield Park. Pride and prejudice and

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>sense and sensibility. Her manners were gentle, her affections aren't

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>her candor was not to be surpassed, and she lived

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<v Speaker 1>and died as became a humble Christian. The marker for

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<v Speaker 1>her burial place, on the other hand, makes no mention

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<v Speaker 1>of the books. I don't I don't really say. Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's still kind of a secret, yeah, I mean this

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>was that was really the first public announcement of all

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<v Speaker 1>of these books being attributed to her, and her cause

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:36.679
<v Speaker 1>of death. We still don't exactly know. For many years,

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 1>people pointed to Addison's disease because it fits some of

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>the symptoms that she described when she wrote about how

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>she felt in her letters. But Addison's also caused vomiting

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>and dehydration, which she said nothing about, and she had

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>additional symptoms that are not normally associated with Addison's. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of speculation about exactly what happened. She was

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<v Speaker 1>only forty one, and uh the the that was the

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<v Speaker 1>youngest age at which any of her siblings passed away.

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<v Speaker 1>They all the rest of them all lived to much

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<v Speaker 1>older ages than she did. As executricks of the estate,

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<v Speaker 1>Cassandra had Catherine and the Elliotts, which were renamed north

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Inger Abbey, and Persuasion published together as one book. After

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Jane's death. This volume contained a biographical note that named

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Jane Austen as their author, and this was the first

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<v Speaker 1>time that her actual name had appeared on any of

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>her books. In eighteen sixty nine, James Edward, who was

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>one of Jane's nephews, wrote a memoir of Jane Austen.

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>This presents her a sort of a spinster who wrote

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 1>to amuse herself and her family. So it's really the

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<v Speaker 1>genesis of that ongoing characterization, which is not so much

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>accurate to know. She definitely like she started having a

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<v Speaker 1>goal of becoming a published writer and making enough money

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<v Speaker 1>to have some measure of in dependance based on her writing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not sort of a I'm going to sit

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<v Speaker 1>here in the corner and pleasantly right and maybe able

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<v Speaker 1>amuse all of you. And I'm sure he wrote that

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<v Speaker 1>through a lens of tenderness, like he didn't mean to

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>make her seem smaller or less in charge of her

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 1>life than she was, but it kind of did mess

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>with her public image historically. Yeah. Well, and as we

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 1>alluded to earlier, she did make some money off of

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>her books while she was alive, and their print runs

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 1>generally did sell out, but it was really about a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years before they came popular to the way that

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>they are today. Her books started to get scholarly attention

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen twenties as as uh, you know, literary

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>theorists and critics started to recognize them as masterpieces, and

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>that is really when they became the sort of worldwide

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 1>phenomenon that they are now. Jane, who I know is

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>near and dear to your heart, She's very near and

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>dear to my heart. I love her it a lot,

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 1>and I used this episode as an excuse to buy

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 1>every Jane Austen thing that I wanted. So I now

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>have this immense volume of her collected letters that's like,

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>it's it's huge, it's it's it's as long as a

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Harry Potter novel, one of the long Harry Potter ones. Um.

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I also there are annotated versions of her books, which

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I love, that have the story on one page, and

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>then on the facing page they are all these notes

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>about what's going on, which like it makes them twice

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>as long as the books normally are, but there's so

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 1>much but like four times as rich. Yeah, They're like

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>there are things where as a modern reader you might

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 1>not pick up on the fact that this thing this

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 1>person said just now was a marriage proposal. Um, but

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:55.959
<v Speaker 1>it was so. Yeah, I bought the three of those

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>for the three of her books that I did not

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>already have, I bought to buy bography was very much

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>a Jane Austen shopping spree at my house. But that's

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 1>all good stuff. I love that you will treasure for years. Yeah,

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I will, I will, definitely will I have this like giant.

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I already had sort of a giant collection of Jane

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Austen stuff, and now you have a Jane Austen situation. Yeah. Yeah,

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>my own my own book that does not exist in

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>reality as a published thing, is very heavily Jane Austen influence.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was my wish fulfillment episode. Do you also

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<v Speaker 1>have listener mails? Yes, I do. This is from Alec

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<v Speaker 1>Alex says. I've recently discovered your lovely podcasts and I've

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<v Speaker 1>really been enjoying listening to all the varied topics you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have talked about. Great work I did. However, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to make a quick point concerning your recent podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on the Pueblo Revolts. When discussing the ancient origins of

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<v Speaker 1>the Pueblo peoples. You use the term anasazi in your description.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't blame you for this choice at all, as

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<v Speaker 1>it is over willingly common to use anasazi in modern

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>history and archaeology, but more recently it has become more

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<v Speaker 1>of a touchy subject. The reason is that anasazi is

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<v Speaker 1>actually a Navajo word taken by Europeans to refer to

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<v Speaker 1>the ancient people that had built the pueblos they saw

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<v Speaker 1>as they came into what is now the American Southwest.

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<v Speaker 1>They often had Navajo guides when and when asking them

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>who built those pueblos, it is commonly believed that they

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<v Speaker 1>replied with the term anasazi, which translates loosely to enemy

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<v Speaker 1>of ancestor. As someone who is studying archaeology, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I should bring this to your attention. Is it is

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<v Speaker 1>really a shame that the term we've adopted for these

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<v Speaker 1>ancient peoples isn't even from their own dialect. In the

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<v Speaker 1>archaeological community, many of us have taken to referring them

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<v Speaker 1>as ancestral Pueblo, which isn't exactly perfect, but is certainly

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 1>better than referring to them as the enemies of our ancestors. Hopefully,

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't just seemed like political correctness for the sake

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 1>of political correctness to you, and you'll keep it in

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<v Speaker 1>mind for future discussions. Keep up the great work, Alec.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea me either. Um, I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when I went to because you know, I

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:10.359
<v Speaker 1>I want to innately trust everything or our listeners sent

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>to us, but occasionally we get corrections that are themselves

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 1>not correct um. And so I went to try to

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<v Speaker 1>confirm this, and it took some doing to to find that.

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure we will get notes from people

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>are like you could have read that at Wikipedia, but

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<v Speaker 1>we try to do our resources from primary sources as

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<v Speaker 1>much as possible. Um. And so it Yeah, it took

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<v Speaker 1>a little doing to find out that that really is

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<v Speaker 1>the case. I had no idea. And now, as a

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<v Speaker 1>personal side note, I have this moment of laughter because

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>many moods ago. I used to manage a hair salon

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember at one point, I don't know if

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 1>this company is still around, but there was a hair

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Caroline called an a Saucy. Yeah. Well, now I'm like,

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.759
<v Speaker 1>that is weird. Yeah, And I can't remember who I

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 1>was talking to. I was talking to somebody and they

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 1>were like, oh, yeah, I found that. I found that

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<v Speaker 1>out when I was reading Neil Gaiman's American Gods, and

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I've read that book and that did

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.040
<v Speaker 1>not stick in my head me either, and I also

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<v Speaker 1>read it. I also want to have a little note

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<v Speaker 1>about quote, political correctness. I kind of want anybody who's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say something about political correctness substitute the words being respectful,

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 1>because that's really all the political correctness is. We get

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of flaks sometimes for quote trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>political politically correct. What we are trying to be is

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 1>respectful of other people. Yeah, that's like part of the

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>goal of this whole podcast. So what other people do, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do not feel the need to apologize if there is

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.800
<v Speaker 1>something that you feel like it's motivated from political correctness,

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>because what that really really boils down to you is

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 1>not being disrespectful of other people. Yeah, and like disregarding

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>important historical elements that would inform our knowledge. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be awesome if we had a word that was

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:01.160
<v Speaker 1>neither ancestral pleblos, since it's like a Spanish word that

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 1>was made to describe the houses that people lived in,

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:08.359
<v Speaker 1>and also not anasazi, since that is a Navajo word

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>like that does not mean what it should mean in

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:14.839
<v Speaker 1>the way it has been adopted. Nope, So thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much for bringing that to our attention. I had

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