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Speaker 1: we watch the NFL, as we we see the you know,

430
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Speaker 1: we we were half joking about the poor security guide

431
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Speaker 1: with the turf monster. Uh, Turf's pretty brutal, um and

432
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Speaker 1: it's something that I'm always disappointed. Even at Ohio State

433
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Speaker 1: they put new turf in. I'm like, I know you

434
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: can grow grats there for sure, you can, and they

435
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Speaker 1: went with the turf. Um can we can? We are

436
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Speaker 1: their conversations taking place about especially at the professional level.

437
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Speaker 1: I'd like to see it everywhere, but at the professional

438
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Speaker 1: level of getting more grass in these places Joe talks

439
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: about all the time with us Joe Thomas, there are

440
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Speaker 1: there are more documented injuries on turf than on grass.

441
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Speaker 1: It's a it's a very fast, very fast surface. The

442
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Speaker 1: challenges is trying to find a consistency of surface. So

443
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Speaker 1: whether it's grass, whether it's turf, to have a surface

444
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Speaker 1: that you can consistently play on. That way, each time

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Speaker 1: the players step on the field, they know what's under

446
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Speaker 1: their feet. And so whether an environment where grass or

447
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Speaker 1: turf is present, it's knowing exactly that all of them

448
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Speaker 1: are the same, all of them are consistent, and I

449
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: think that's what's most important here to start with, whether

450
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Speaker 1: it's getting rid of grass or getting or getting rid

451
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Speaker 1: of turf and adding grass is probably more of having

452
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Speaker 1: a universal surface that everyone is is up to the

453
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Speaker 1: same standards, so that each time a player steps on

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Speaker 1: one of those fields, they know exactly what's going to be.

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Speaker 1: Is it an unevenness that that happens in the bad ones,

456
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Speaker 1: because like the ones that in New Jerseys always meant

457
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Speaker 1: life is always gets people. The turf science gets very

458
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Speaker 1: detailed as to the thickness of the carpet, how much

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Speaker 1: of the infill is there, how long those each of

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Speaker 1: the fibers in the in the turf are. So it's

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Speaker 1: become a very sophisticated environment and there are several different

462
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Speaker 1: types of turfs out there, and that's where that consistency

463
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Speaker 1: here where the players knowing, and that's where they before

464
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Speaker 1: the game they get out and really move around on

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Speaker 1: the turf or on the grass to really get a

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Speaker 1: sense of what type of cleats do I need to

467
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Speaker 1: do? Do Do I need longer or shorter, shorter cleats on?

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Speaker 1: So I think that's probably the most important and obviously

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Speaker 1: the biggest one is what there should there be one universal,

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Speaker 1: one universal type and looking at kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: continuing with player safety in the notion we saw on

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Speaker 1: training camp this year, the guys wore those kind of

473
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Speaker 1: padded helmets over the helmet or does that padding over that.

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Speaker 1: We've seen so many new helmet styles and the investment

475
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Speaker 1: that it's made by the league and and with the

476
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Speaker 1: medical community to help design these helmets. Where do you

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Speaker 1: think the game goes in terms of safety from you

478
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Speaker 1: know what you guys treat as you guys always say,

479
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Speaker 1: from pewee to pro, you know, how do you see

480
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Speaker 1: this kind of stuff evolving? I think the end the

481
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Speaker 1: primary goal now is we know that safety and prevention

482
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Speaker 1: are the number one ways to increase UH and athletes

483
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Speaker 1: longevity and keep them on the field for a long

484
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Speaker 1: period of time so they can enjoy the sport that

485
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Speaker 1: they loved playing. And the helmets are a perfect example.

486
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Speaker 1: When the helmets were initially designed, they were they up

487
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Speaker 1: until recently, we're designed to prevent skull fractures. They were

488
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Speaker 1: not designed to prevent concussions. And this whole recent technology

489
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Speaker 1: change is really to design a helmet that reduces the

490
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Speaker 1: risk of concussion. And we've seen that now with the

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Speaker 1: rule changes, with the better helmets, and now the great

492
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Speaker 1: data from the Guardian helmets here during training camp showing

493
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Speaker 1: a reduction in head injuries during training camp here with

494
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Speaker 1: when the interior alignment and tight ends wore them, and

495
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: we've seen that even many of the players have decided

496
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Speaker 1: to continue to wear them through the season across the league.

497
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Speaker 1: So I think the NFL and all the teams, all

498
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Speaker 1: of the different ways, what can we do to prevent

499
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Speaker 1: injury and to increase your longevity. So this was a

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Speaker 1: great example of the players and the team and the

501
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Speaker 1: medical the medical society is all working together and this

502
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Speaker 1: was a successful, successful endeavor. Dr us. I know there's

503
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Speaker 1: a lot of people out there who have kids in sports.

504
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: I've got three of them in it, and it's a

505
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Speaker 1: up at dawn siege year round. It never stops. And

506
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Speaker 1: I know as I'm doing it, it feels like too

507
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Speaker 1: much when I'm doing it, and I try to pull

508
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Speaker 1: them out of stuff, and that there's a peer pressure

509
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Speaker 1: to it because their buddies are doing it, everybody's doing it.

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Speaker 1: I'm missing out in the back of my head, and

511
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Speaker 1: I'm certainly not a physician. I always think, I mean,

512
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Speaker 1: how many how many hits can a ligament? And not

513
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Speaker 1: necessarily just fotball, where it's basketball, anything, baseball, anything. Our

514
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Speaker 1: kids getting enough rest. Uh, you hit on one of

515
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Speaker 1: our primary issues in youth and youth sports today, and

516
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Speaker 1: that's one is sports specialization. Our our athletes picking one

517
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Speaker 1: sport at an age much younger than they should and

518
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Speaker 1: then playing all the time and year round, and both

519
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Speaker 1: of those are a recipe for injury. We have shown

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Speaker 1: in now nearly every professional sport. Uh, those kids that

521
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Speaker 1: specialize at a younger age are more likely to get

522
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Speaker 1: hurt and less likely to get a scholarship in that sport.

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Speaker 1: So when you talk with our players, most of our

524
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Speaker 1: players played multiple sports all the way through college, and

525
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Speaker 1: some played multiple in college. So I think the theme

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Speaker 1: now is play different sports. Let your body get around

527
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Speaker 1: and move and have your brain and your body learn

528
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Speaker 1: to do all these different movements. Keep it fun. Your

529
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Speaker 1: body is not seeing that same repetitive thing over and

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Speaker 1: over again. And if your goal is to be a

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Speaker 1: professional athlete, the data says to play multiple sports. I

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Speaker 1: think that overall makes you a better athlete. And there

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Speaker 1: definitely is something about rest. Even the NFL has an

534
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Speaker 1: off season, and we asked you ask most fourteen year olds,

535
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Speaker 1: there's no off season, and so we really encourage families

536
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Speaker 1: even if it's a micro break a week here, in

537
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: a week there to really build that into your schedule

538
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Speaker 1: and the sport will still be there in thirteen your

539
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: practice and your sport will still be there. It's really hard.

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Speaker 1: We have three children. It's the same pressure as well,

541
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Speaker 1: but building and rest really is important so you get

542
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: a chance for your body to catch up. What are

543
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Speaker 1: you guys doing through the a TC program to help

544
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: you know younger kids and sports programs as they before

545
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Speaker 1: they do get to college, make sure they're doing everything

546
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Speaker 1: as safely as pop. And this is one of the

547
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Speaker 1: things where the most proud of a university hospitals and

548
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: it's really based on our experience in the NFL. We

549
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Speaker 1: have some of the best athletic trainers in the league

550
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Speaker 1: with Joshian and his team here here with the Browns,

551
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: and we've been able to take that program and the

552
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Speaker 1: experience that the NFL athletes get and translate that down

553
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Speaker 1: into the high schools. And now we have over seventy

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Speaker 1: high schools that we care for and there is a

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Speaker 1: u H athletic trainer at every single one of the schools.

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Speaker 1: UH we do an emergency action plan with the schools.

557
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Speaker 1: The athletes have immediate access if they do have an injury,

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Speaker 1: we work through injury prevention, hydration, stretching, how should you

559
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Speaker 1: eat with nutrition. So it is a wonderful way to

560
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Speaker 1: take all of the great knowledge we've learned at the

561
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Speaker 1: NFL level translate that to all of our high schools again.

562
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Speaker 1: That way, when our kids are out there and the

563
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Speaker 1: parents as well can know that they're in the safest

564
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Speaker 1: environment possible and we're taking all the knowledge we've learned

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Speaker 1: from the professional level, and really the young kids get

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Speaker 1: to benefit from that. Dr Bruce, were lucky to have you,

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Speaker 1: and we thank you for giving us a little bit

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Speaker 1: of your time today. Thank you very much. Appreciate you guys,

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Speaker 1: and we will continue here. You listen to Cleveland Brown's

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Speaker 1: Daily on ESPN Cleveland Cleveland Browns Daily ESPN Cleveland and

571
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Speaker 1: we are live from uh Being Campus on Tuesday for

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Speaker 1: a crucial catch edition of the program. Hello, doctor z,

573
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Speaker 1: I feel like we are made those those love ladies

574
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Speaker 1: walking by jumping up, going on, let's run through these

575
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: Sunday night er. My friend, Yeah, this is this was

576
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Speaker 1: a beating really and it wasn't he wasn't close. It

577
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: wasn't close, as the score would indicate, which is still

578
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Speaker 1: ten points. But you know, Patrick Mahomes is sensational. He

579
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Speaker 1: continues to be sensational. They're finally getting Marquez Valda scantling

580
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: going down the field, which I think is helping to

581
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Speaker 1: replicate some things. Harry killed it, but his improv his

582
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: skills near the goal line outrageous. And then the Bucks

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Speaker 1: just look, there's very right for them. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any question. I think the Chiefs are the best

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00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: team in the league right now. I'm fine with that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's where I'm at. Green Bay. The Patriots twenty four.

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Speaker 1: We'll see the Patriots in two weeks. Yeah, how about

588
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy stepping in? He was who would have had

589
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Speaker 1: this first rookie to throw a touchdown pass here would

590
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: have been Bailey Zappy Again the Packers, he actually played

591
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: pretty well. I think again, the pack they they're not

592
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: quite right. It doesn't feel like they're quite right. Um

593
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: still very good obviously, but not elite in any way.

594
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Speaker 1: And Rogers it feels like it to your point in

595
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Speaker 1: view earlier talking about Christian Watson is kind of like

596
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Speaker 1: playing games a little bit out there. Yeah, I agree.

597
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Speaker 1: I think I still feel fine about the Packers, but

598
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: it's not right with them either. Uh New England. It's

599
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: just there's not a whole lot there. I mean, they

600
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: hung in, Bailey's Appy played well. They hung in, but

601
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: the ceiling is very very low. Raiders thirty two Broncos

602
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: twenty three Raiders had to have it. They get it done.

603
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Speaker 1: I still think they're very talented team, and they're a

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Speaker 1: team that if they start playing well into a through

605
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Speaker 1: October and then into November, like, I think they still

606
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Speaker 1: can be a team of consequence. You have Max Crosby

607
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: and Chandler Jones who can get after the quarterback. You've

608
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: got a bevy of pass catchers for Derek Carr, and

609
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: then now Josh Jacobs had that great game. And then

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Speaker 1: on the flip side, Denver, like, are they having buyer's

611
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: remorse on Russ Like he doesn't look good, he does

612
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: not look good. And now they've lost Javante Williams for

613
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: the season. It is not right. That's a huge loss.

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Speaker 1: With Williams in terms of him, I mean, he was

615
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: their best offensive player. They weren't giving him the ball,

616
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: but he's the best offensive player through the start of it,

617
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Speaker 1: and I do think he doesn't look right with him.

618
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: I think they're the worst coach team in the league.

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Speaker 1: By the way, with Nathaniel Hackett there Cardinals Panthers sixteen.

620
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: A little bit of discourse between Kyler and Cliff on

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Speaker 1: the sidelines, Yeah, they were fired up on that sideline.

622
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Speaker 1: On the other sideline, a discourse between the fans and

623
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Speaker 1: their quarterback. It was. This was an abomination of offensive football,

624
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: is what it was. It was a dreadfully played offensive

625
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: game that was really a disservice. I think that the

626
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: Cardinals need to get DeAndre Hopkins back. Hollywood Brown's actually

627
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: playing pretty wewesome. Zach Ertz has been playing pretty well.

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00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: When they get that other guy, I think that's going

629
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: to open up a lot of things for their offense

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Speaker 1: because right now last remember, James Conner had like a

631
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: hundred rushing touchdowns. I'm exaggerating, but they haven't been able

632
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: to get the ground game going at all. I think

633
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: they need that. When they get DeAndre Hopkins back, they

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Speaker 1: I think they will be okay. I don't know a

635
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: problem with that. I think I think the bigger thing.

636
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, one of these teams has potential, the other doesn't.

637
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: Carolina it feels like the Billy Madison speech when the

638
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: preacher says when the superintendences were all dumber for him,

639
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: that's Carolina, We're all dumber. And watch that they were.

640
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: They had six batted balls, two interceptions. It's dreadful, absolutely dreadful.

641
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: Bill's twenty three Ravens twenty second time this season. The

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00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: Ravens have one of the best teams in the MC.

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Speaker 1: On the ropes and you blew it, boy, Yeah, that's

644
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 1: they were up seventeen in this one. They blew it.

645
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: I think from the Ravens what you're gonna takeaways a

646
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: positive is that, you know, J. K. Dobbins looked pretty

647
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: darn good coming back, but they need to go ahead

648
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Speaker 1: and use him. They didn't use them at all in

649
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. They need to continue to use him.

650
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: And then the Bills, they are a resilient bunch, and

651
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: then selfishly gave Davis were already come on, come on,

652
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: stop being hurt. Let's let's make it happy. Throw us

653
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: a bone a little bit. I think this is one

654
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: of those ones where Buffalo is ultra talented. I put

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00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: them just a barely a wrong below Kansas City. Uh,

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00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: they're more banged up than the kent that Kansa City

657
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: is on the ship of side of things. But I

658
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: do think that these are one of those ones you

659
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: look back on when they're twelve and five or thirteen

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00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: and four and go, oh, they got it it out

661
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: and they gotta win there. Uh. Cowboys twenty five commis ten.

662
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: They gave up a second round pick for Carson Wentz

663
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: after Indie could not wait to get rid of him.

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Speaker 1: And he is dreadful. He's terrible. Also, Dallas's defense is elite.

665
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: It's very good. Parsons. You got Parsons on one side,

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00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: you have to Marcus Lawrence on the other. They can

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00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: get after the quarterback. And then how about this little factoid.

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00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush is the first Dallas Cowboys quarterback to when

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Speaker 1: each of his first four starts in franchise history. That's

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Speaker 1: something that is something that certainly is Chargers thirty four.

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Speaker 1: We'll see them this week. Houston Texas twenty four. Yeah,

672
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: bad for us. Herbert looked great in this one. They

673
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: finally got Austin Ekeler and volved. He scored three touchdowns

674
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: this game. I realized it says thirty four to twenty

675
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: four was not as close as that they were up

676
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: early and big. Now, if there is one silver lining

677
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: in this, they are a great offense, they are a

678
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: bad defense. They're giving up twenty seven a game. And

679
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: Damian Pierce Rush had a seventy five yard I think

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00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: or a d R touchdown run against them. So hopefully

681
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: weaken this is a game. Our form is gonna be

682
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: similar to last week. I think, run the football, control

683
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: the clock, dominate time of possession. But this time, hopefully

684
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: we finished more of these drives with touchdowns or or

685
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: field goals, just points. Joey Bosa down for eight weeks,

686
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: nine weeks, I mean, he just he just can't stay healthy.

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00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: Um for for Bosa there, and that's a big benefit

688
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: to us. The Tennessee Titans resilient. I thought they were cooked.

689
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: They went into INDI that indie team looks cooked. Yeah,

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00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: they're shutting us up. Actually, I don't think they've lost

691
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: since we told them they play Malik Willis. They're like, actually, no,

692
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: we're doing just fine. Ryan Daniel, he's doing just fine.

693
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: They've gotten, uh the ability, they got, Derrick Henry going

694
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: again back to back big games. Jonathan Taylor not doing

695
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: much at all right now for the Indianapolis Colts. Matt

696
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: Ryan looks so cooked. The balls in the air forever,

697
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: and we are on the air. You can hear us

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00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: talking right now. Seattle forty eight, the Lions forty five.

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00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: My god, Dan Quinn or Dan Campbell get a defense,

700
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: brother again. I know he's an offensive player in the league,

701
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: but it feels like he would be a guy who

702
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: would have a strong physic, cool, tough defense. And they're

703
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: on pace to give up the most points in NFL history.

704
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: They are a fun offense. Jameson Williams is gonna come back.

705
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna be even more fun. Jared's playing very well,

706
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: you know. No DeAndre Swift and Jamal Williams is playing great.

707
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: No Aman Ross st Brown and this one, no DJ Shark,

708
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: and they still threw for three seventy eight and four touchdowns.

709
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: Williams ran for over a hundred plus. Hockinson had one

710
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: seventy nine and two scores unfortunately on my fantasy team,

711
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: which was very good. But how about Goff and Gino

712
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: Smith turning in an absolute shootout? Who would have had that?

713
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: Gino Smith better than Russ so far this season, I

714
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: believe yards. I'm not even kidding he is, Yeah, he

715
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: is better. How about this crazy factory. This is another

716
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: one that's nuts. This is from NFL research here in

717
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: this little handy dandy thing that counterprint out for us.

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00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: This was the first game in NFL history with a

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Speaker 1: final score. Okay. There have been four games featuring ninety

720
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: or more combined points in the past five seasons. Jared

721
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: Goff has played in three of them. It's quite the anomaly.

722
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not like I suppose, Maybe it's not. Yeah.

723
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: Eagles twenty nine, Jaguars twenty one. This was impressive. This

724
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: one was played in a monsoon. Jaguars were up big

725
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: in this one. I think got going. Yeah, and Trevor

726
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: Lawrence and again five fumbles in this one or five

727
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: turnovers in this one? Uh yeah. The situation was very tough.

728
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: Again this Eagles team. When they needed to be physical

729
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: they did. When they got down fourteen nothing, they didn't panic.

730
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: They came right back. I think this is a good

731
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: win for them to do things in the future because

732
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: it shows, all right, we we know we can come back.

733
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: We're a good football team. They faced a little adversity

734
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: and they overcame it alright. Giants twenty Bears twelve. Does that?

735
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: Orlovsky went at the Bears for what they're doing the

736
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: fields today on Get Up? Do you see that? So

737
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: I didn't see that? And so here's the thing. So

738
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: like last year's staff was bad for him, now this

739
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: year's staff is bad for him. Is he made talent

740
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: for oh in terms of ground left tackle that looks

741
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: like an offensive tackle. Your number one receiver's really a three,

742
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: which means you're number two is really a five. Like

743
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: all of it. They made one of the talented offensive

744
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: team in football by a wide margin. Again, And why

745
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: would you trade three ones to go ahead and get

746
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: him and then give him nothing to work. It's like

747
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: they'd be better off trading him to somebody and saying

748
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: you could see if you can rehabilitate him. But I

749
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: worry that he's going to be absolutely cooked. I think

750
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: there's a decent chance he is. Jets twenty four, Steelers twenty.

751
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: I like this Jets team. Cody Picketts in Cody was

752
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: the kid from what you dubbed a long time ago.

753
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: I really like this Jets team. I thought Zack Wilson,

754
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: after a slow start, looked good. Bruce Hall is finally

755
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: getting to become the guy. He's good. Gary Wilson's good,

756
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore is good, Corey Davis is good. Tyler Conklin's

757
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: a solid possession tight end. Like they're a fun offense.

758
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: And the Steelers are bad. Yeah, they're bad. I wonder

759
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: how Pittsburgh is going to handle being bad. They've never been.

760
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: They don't know what that's like to go. They're already

761
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: freaking out there putting on the hot seat right now.

762
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: The one thing I did like about that is again

763
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: that he got George Pickens involved in George Pickens. You

764
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 1: see the block he's spoke to Listen, that's a guy.

765
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: And I think that we'd have a great draft class

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00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed. I think m j Emerson like looks

767
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: like he could be a first round corner. But when

768
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: you look at our football team and you say, well,

769
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: what if we had that guy out there and we

770
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: could have drafted him, he was picked after we traded

771
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: out in the second round. That's one that I think

772
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: bears watching over the next few years because it feels

773
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: like he is exactly what our offense needs. Now. Greedy

774
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: has been out, m j Emerson has been great. That's good,

775
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: but it just feels like he is what we needed.

776
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: And guys like that don't grow on trees or give

777
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: you an opportunity to get when you don't have a

778
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: first round pick. And I think, you know, he's already

779
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: got six. He saw the catching maybe out against us.

780
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: I just think he's a really good player. Vikings and

781
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: Saints to close it out. The Vikings didn't close out.

782
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: They should have won that game easily. They did not,

783
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: but they ended up getting the win. And uh, you

784
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: know they're they're another one of those frisky teams that

785
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: is fun to watch when their offenses is cooking. Get

786
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: Dalvin cooking a little bit for me? Can you do

787
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: that for me? Just a little bit more? Like a

788
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: little bit more? Uh so, much more to come. We're

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Speaker 1: live from u ah's main campus for Crucial Catch on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Le the Browns Daily, ESPN Cleveland, Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Brown's Daily on ESPN Cleveland. Well, we want to thank

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00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: to thank Dr Rooster stepping by Dr Winner as well

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Speaker 1: a lot of good messages out there. I hope that

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Speaker 1: talking about the Crucial Catch and getting it early. And

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Speaker 1: also for those of your parents. You get kids in

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Speaker 1: these sports. It'll wait, man, it'll wait. Give him a rest,

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Speaker 1: give him a rest, keep him in a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to specialize nine year olds. I see it, brother,

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Speaker 1: I know it's a little it's premature, just slightly. Um.

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Speaker 1: will at least get that last hour in for you

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Speaker 1: guys despite the technical difficulties. To Danny for stopping by

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Speaker 1: and Danny crushed it, absolutely crushed it. Good job at

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Speaker 1: a m um. We appreciate your patients on the first

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Speaker 1: hour there. We will be back tomorrow. The next level

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