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Speaker 1: Welcome in all you faithful Traders and Survivors to their

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Speaker 1: episode of by Order of the Faithful Survivor addition, Wells

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Speaker 1: Adams alongside Dolores Catania, and we are going to have

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Speaker 1: a very fun episode. Today's guest is Rachel Lamont, winner

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Speaker 1: of season forty seven on Survivor. She moved through her

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Speaker 1: season as a challenged threat, particularly when it came to puzzles.

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Speaker 1: She ended up winning four immunity challenges and tying the

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Speaker 1: record for most wins by a female contestant in a season.

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Speaker 1: Rachel made it to the final Tribal Council, where the

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Speaker 1: jury recognized her dominant gameplay and awarded her title of

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Speaker 1: Soul Survivor. Since then, she's hosted the show on Fire

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Speaker 1: with Jeff Propes for Survivor forty eight, and she's designed

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Speaker 1: her very own puzzle game That Makes Sense, available for.

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Speaker 2: Pre order now. Rachel, thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 2: on the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Wels Dolores. That was a insane intro.

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Speaker 3: It's all true. I know, it's very surreal. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: It is, you know, a year and a half and

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Speaker 3: almost two years since we played, and it's still mind boggling.

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Speaker 3: To me that this is what happened and this is

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Speaker 3: where I am, and I get to, you know, pursue

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Speaker 3: some passions that I've had for a long time, and

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Speaker 3: travel a ton, and it's just it's a dream come true.

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Speaker 3: It genuinely is. It's so cool.

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Speaker 4: You radiate such happiness. And I've been looking at your Instagram.

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Speaker 4: I'm a fan of you, and I love your puppy

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Speaker 4: and your husband and your relationship.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I'm not big on that. Wells can

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Speaker 5: tell you.

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Speaker 4: I don't love Lovey Dovey's stuff, but I love the

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Speaker 4: way you guys travel the world. And it just seems

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Speaker 4: like the most beautiful, perfect life that you're having.

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Speaker 5: And and you've earned it all.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you've achieved something like hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 4: people want to do what you did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's truly surreal, especially coming from you know, I

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Speaker 3: applied for seven years to be on Survivor, and so

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Speaker 3: it just became this kind of story of uh, just

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Speaker 3: stubborn refusal to give up on what I was aiming for,

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Speaker 3: and then to go to finally get on Survivor and

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Speaker 3: then be in the game and have kind of like

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Speaker 3: a mirror of that in the game where I, you know,

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Speaker 3: was down and out and it seemed like I didn't

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Speaker 3: really have a shot, and then just just bulldozing my

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Speaker 3: like my own path here and I have to make

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Speaker 3: it work by whatever means necessary, and I just what

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Speaker 3: a just it parallels so well with my whole experience,

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Speaker 3: even getting on the show, So it just amazing.

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Speaker 6: That is amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only way out is through right.

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Speaker 6: That's the second time I've heard that today.

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Speaker 3: Oh geez, I.

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Speaker 4: Think it No, not because I think maybe it's a

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Speaker 4: sign for me.

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Speaker 5: It means something to me. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to have to look at pay attention to that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that they do alternates on seasons. We

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Speaker 1: do this in Paradise where we'll bring people to the

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Speaker 1: beach and they'll be in our holding cell for like

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Speaker 1: the entire season. Then they'll go oh wow yeah and

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Speaker 1: then never come on the show. I had no idea

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Speaker 1: that you were an alternate on season forty six and

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Speaker 1: you were sent home before getting a chance to play.

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Speaker 1: What was that experience like like and were you completely

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Speaker 1: just devastated thinking that you were going to go on

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Speaker 1: the show that you had and you need to get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you are warned when they ask you

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Speaker 3: they have to fail medical, you know, suddenly either get

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Speaker 3: really sick or have something happen. It happens on this show.

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Speaker 3: It does happen. I mean this, in season forty nine,

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Speaker 3: both alternates played, right, so it does happen occasionally, but

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Speaker 3: it's just it's not it's not likely to happen. And

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Speaker 3: on forty six, neither myself or who played on forty

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Speaker 5: So there's two alternates.

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Speaker 3: There's a male and a female, and we stay until

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised to hear you say, well, is that yours

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Speaker 3: stay the whole time? So yet some you can replace

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Speaker 3: So you know, on season forty four, Bruce, he got

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that that would be torture. If I

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Speaker 3: probably thirty five days by the time you account for

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Speaker 3: pregame and then not play, I think that would have

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Speaker 3: been a lot harder. But I went in going, you know,

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Speaker 3: my goal this week is to make them say, like,

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Speaker 3: so you get a lot of the same meetings you

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Speaker 3: get to do media, and I just went in just

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Speaker 3: very determined to have them say we need her back

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Speaker 3: goal for the time there. And then if I did

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Speaker 3: I didn't, I was sort of looking around saying, you know,

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Speaker 3: if this is the totality of my Survivor experience, it's

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Speaker 3: still so much more than any fan ever gets. And

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Speaker 3: that is really really cool.

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Speaker 4: You're an inspiration, Like I'm going to follow you as

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Speaker 4: like if I'm going to follow survive people, I'm going

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Speaker 6: Thank you. That's my thing.

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Speaker 5: I want to learn from you.

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Speaker 6: That's a great outlook and look at how it comes.

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Speaker 5: Back to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I always try to level set, you know. I

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Speaker 3: hope for the best, but just be president enough to

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Speaker 2: Was forty six like an audition?

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Speaker 1: Do you think like they do they bring people on

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Speaker 1: just to see how they handle the situation of traveling

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that I've gotten mixed messages about that.

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Speaker 3: I think that I'm not sure from a production standpoint

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Speaker 3: what the actual thing is, because they say, like, an

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Speaker 3: alternate is someone that we believe could replace any single person.

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Speaker 3: You could replace any woman that we have cast on

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Speaker 3: are alternates that have never returned, so I do think

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Speaker 3: it matters. I had asked when they asked me to

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting it's the thing to talk about, right

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Speaker 1: because it's a television show like any other. And we

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Speaker 1: do this on my show, where you're casting characters, right,

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Speaker 1: so like you know, you need the villain, you need

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Speaker 1: the good guy, you need the bad guy, you need

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Speaker 1: the super nerd need the HOWK guy, you need that

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Speaker 2: That's for my show and for Housewives and for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, and I'm sure they do that for Survivor

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Speaker 1: as well. But being an alternate.

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Speaker 2: Means that your character is a double.

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Speaker 1: It could be a bunch of different ones, I think, right,

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Speaker 1: which can be a good thing or a bad thing,

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Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, part of the reason

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Speaker 3: is because I'm sort of a jack of all trades

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Speaker 3: and because I don't fit exactly into a box, like

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Speaker 3: I'm the like nerdy, uh smart Asian girl, but then

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Speaker 3: I end up being a challenge beast. I was an

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Speaker 3: better than me, I would guess that when you're looking

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Speaker 3: to cast people, you want that sentence like Rachel is

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Speaker 3: that it was probably difficult for them to ever kind

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Speaker 1: It's helpful for storytelling though, too, because it gives you

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Speaker 1: I just think it's so I I get really bugged

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Speaker 4: Way you said just now, I thought the same thing.

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Speaker 4: this Every single show has to have that yeah, no

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm just like I love this show now

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Speaker 6: I'm so humped.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to forty seven so you finally get you know, cast,

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Speaker 1: you're officially joining one. How do you prepare for something

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Speaker 1: like this? Like for me when I have to go

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Speaker 1: on Paradise, I have to get a tan and a haircut,

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Speaker 1: survivors different. How do you prepare for this show?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I did the opposite wells. I gained ten pounds,

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Speaker 3: and bless them for not forcing us and just from

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Speaker 3: would not have gained ten pounds if I had to

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Speaker 3: right away. And I did. But I it was kind

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Speaker 3: of a blessing to come be the alternate on forty

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Speaker 3: strong and Maria is so strong, and just kind of

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Speaker 3: don't look at athletic and good for you, yes, But

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Speaker 3: also it always worries me that if you're too like small,

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Speaker 3: regardless of how much you're helping in these challenges, early on,

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Speaker 3: so I was very nervous about having kind of like

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Speaker 3: distinctly remember before forty seven being at Ponderosa. Sam Falan

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Speaker 3: I would like go to put my hair up and

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Speaker 3: It it's kind of always been a thing. In my

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that your sisters can say you've definitely

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Speaker 2: They're not saying bing. I'll tell you there.

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Speaker 1: Well, this seems like a good segue into you have

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Speaker 1: So is it like a jigsaw puzzle or is it

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Speaker 3: Yes, So I have designed co designed with Ryan placeted

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Speaker 3: It's very it's Japanese food themed and basically the concept

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Speaker 5: Well, are you going to get this game? I want

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Speaker 4: I just don't know smart enough people to play it.

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Speaker 1: Please tell me that there is some sort of buzzer

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been such a joy, and it's entirely

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Speaker 3: And it's been amazing. It's been almost a year since

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Speaker 6: And it looked like the happiest person I know.

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Speaker 3: I am so like, I'm so happy, I'm so I

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Speaker 2: Hey, so where can people buy Puzzle Hungry? Can you

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Speaker 2: All right. Awesome, like not wait for it to come out.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome that you have turned this thing that you

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Speaker 3: But what I wanted to call me and ask me

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Speaker 1: to a dinner party, but I'm annoyed that I wasn't

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Speaker 1: invited to the dinner.

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Speaker 3: Party exactly, So you would go back, though I would

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Speaker 3: go back. I think it's pretty hard when they call

442
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Speaker 3: you to say no. You know, it's just it's I

443
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Speaker 3: love Survivor, and I I still lay awake at night

444
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Speaker 3: thinking about some of the things that I got to do,

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Speaker 3: and just some of the simple things like waking up

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the night because I was cold,

447
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Speaker 3: and then I stoke the fire, make it warmer again,

448
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Speaker 3: go back to sleep, Like those are some of the

449
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Speaker 3: things that just like roll rent free in my head

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Speaker 3: on a regular basis because it's just so special. It

451
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Speaker 3: was such a cool experience, and so I would be

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Speaker 3: very very difficult to not want to go back get asked,

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Speaker 3: but it does. It does make me. You know, you win,

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Speaker 3: you go out the first time you win. It's a

455
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Speaker 3: little all intimidating to be like, I'm going to go

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Speaker 3: back and undoubtedly do worse probably than I did the first.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's something I've thought about that.

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Speaker 4: Like people say a lot of times, like, oh, you

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Speaker 4: know Traders All Star, right, would you go back?

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Speaker 6: I left winning.

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Speaker 4: It's highly a big chance I'm not going to ever

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Speaker 4: win again.

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Speaker 6: And and I would play differently. And that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: Oh, how would you play differently?

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Speaker 4: I want to know, like you never I would be

466
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Speaker 4: more immersed in the game. I know the game better

467
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Speaker 4: now I lived the game. You can understand the game

468
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Speaker 4: going in which I did. But then once you live

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Speaker 4: the game, you're never going to play the same way

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Speaker 4: you did before you were there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I get that.

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Speaker 6: So I'm afraid that that would hurt me in a way.

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Speaker 3: It'd be so fun to watch, though, if they if

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Speaker 3: they asked you for All Stars, would you go back?

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Speaker 6: I would crawl back.

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Speaker 5: I miss it, Rachel, I miss it every.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it. I get it. It's like it's

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Speaker 3: a scary thing, but also it's just it's too intoxicating.

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Speaker 3: You have to say yes, you know, yeah, if you.

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Speaker 1: If you had been invited to season fifty, what would

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Speaker 1: have been your strategy.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great question. I think that I would

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Speaker 3: have really tried to focus on the fact that I

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Speaker 3: have a big challenge asset, and I think that would

485
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Speaker 3: probably come back to bite me around the merge because

486
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Speaker 3: I think, but I think that it would have regardless.

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Speaker 3: I think that regardless of whether I kind of tut

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Speaker 3: that or not, people are going to remember that I

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Speaker 3: won for Communities and I'm going to have a hard

490
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Speaker 3: time right after the merge. But I think that I

491
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Speaker 3: think some of the biggest knocks against my game are

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Speaker 3: that I didn't have a lot of like control socially,

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Speaker 3: I didn't have as much agency as people like like

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Speaker 3: in a winner. And I think that I would really,

495
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Speaker 3: you know, focus on that and be like, remember, remember,

496
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Speaker 3: I'm not like that great at this other part. I

497
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: might be good physically, but these other things. And so

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Speaker 3: I think that that would have been my approach because

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Speaker 3: I think coming in, I mean, Kyle, you know, he

500
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Speaker 3: got meta fact, but he was in such a good

501
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Speaker 3: position and the fact that they watched him win like

502
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Speaker 3: a week before they left is wild and you just

503
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Speaker 3: have to you kind of I think you just have

504
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Speaker 3: to lean into the perception if you try to shy

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Speaker 3: away from that when you're so recent, I think that

506
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Speaker 3: people just get weary of you. They're like, you're trying

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Speaker 3: to hide, You're trying to play me, And so I

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Speaker 3: think that I would just really lean into like my

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Speaker 3: game and try to get people to see that it's

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Speaker 3: in their best interest to align with me. I wanted

511
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Speaker 3: ally so badly on forty seven and had very few

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, last question, who are you watching? And who's

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Speaker 1: playing the best strategic game? And then also who do

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Speaker 1: you think is going to win?

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, I'm watching. I think it's hard not to

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Speaker 3: watch Christian right now. He's got a lot going for him,

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Speaker 3: and I think we'll get into it. But I think, like, yeah,

519
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Speaker 3: we'll get into the thing with Devin's from this episode,

520
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Speaker 3: but I feel like it's got a lot of outs

521
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: right now, which are he's got a lot of options.

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Speaker 3: I think that Soria is always someone to watch. I

523
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Speaker 3: mean the fact that she has been you know, at

524
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Speaker 3: tribal a few times, already, had that pretty disastrous challenge

525
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Speaker 3: that essentially lost the challenge for her tribe and was

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Speaker 3: never even really discussed as an option. She is just

527
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Speaker 3: a social force to be reckoned with, and you always

528
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Speaker 3: have to watch out for people like that. And honestly,

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Speaker 3: I think I think Rizzo is doing pretty well. I

530
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Speaker 3: really I do. I think that the fact that you

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Speaker 3: can watch him, people just they I rolled the second

532
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Speaker 3: they think about him, But then the more they get

533
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: to know him, he endears himself to everyone's on you,

534
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Speaker 3: and it just that's kind of a superpower that you

535
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Speaker 3: can't That's just who he is, you know, you can't

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Speaker 3: fake that. And I think that that really makes me

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Speaker 3: hopeful for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlie is not.

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Speaker 3: That was very funny. I can't wait to talk about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's true. Who knows. Maybe Charlie would just be like, no,

541
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Speaker 3: my PTSD is coming back. I got to stab you

542
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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 2: Who do you think is gonna win?

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Speaker 3: Ooh okay, I I'd like to put my money right now.

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Speaker 3: I think Mike quite has a lot of upside here.

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Speaker 3: I again, I think that people aren't looking at him

547
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Speaker 3: like they should be. And he drove this whole vote

548
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Speaker 3: against you and nobody even kind of like said anything

549
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: about it. You know, he got to do it so blatantly,

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Speaker 3: and so it's just like a very I don't know

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he can win, but you know,

552
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Speaker 3: it's been said that he could have won his last season,

553
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Speaker 3: So he's really smart.

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Speaker 1: There's a little bit of starking that's going on with

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Speaker 1: him though too.

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Speaker 6: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 3: I was very nervous when I heard he was on

558
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Speaker 3: the season because I do think that people probably are

559
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Speaker 3: giving him a pretty big pass because they don't want

560
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 3: to piss him off. Even if it's not that they

561
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: want him to win, it's that they don't want to

562
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Speaker 3: be the person to burn Mike White, and I don't

563
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Speaker 3: on the one hand, don't blame him. On the other hand,

564
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Speaker 3: it's it's concerning, and I think he could probably get

565
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 3: really deep, really easily just because people are not like

566
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Speaker 3: willing to stab him in the back. So but another

567
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 3: reason why he might win, you know.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it is an advantage.

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Speaker 1: You know that potentially you could be on the next

570
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Speaker 1: season of White Loaded if you play your cards right.

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Speaker 2: Like it's a little bit.

572
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Speaker 5: Of blake who doesn't want to be on White.

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Speaker 1: Lotus quid quote quote here that like and so much

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Speaker 1: so like in this last episode they showed up.

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Speaker 3: I know, can you believe HBO on Survivor.

576
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: That that was allowed, like knowing how hard it is

577
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: to get clips of other shows on your show, Like

578
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: everyone's like, no, you're we're not doing that.

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Speaker 3: Mike had to have pulled some strengths for that one.

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Speaker 3: You know, I bet you.

581
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Speaker 2: Mike said, this is my show, you can do it.

582
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Speaker 2: I guarantee you. That's how that went.

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Speaker 1: Rachel, thank you so much for coming on by Order

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Speaker 1: of the Faithfuls, and thank you with us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, this has.

586
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Speaker 1: Been so much fun. Again, your new puzzle will be

587
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Speaker 1: coming out very very soon. Tell everyone the name of

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Speaker 1: it and where to go check it out.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is called Puzzle Hungry Umammy Rush and it

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Speaker 3: should be You can pre order right now at play

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Speaker 3: resolve dot com.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You guys listening out there, make sure that you follow

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Speaker 1: gonna be back very very soon and we are going

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Speaker 1: to recap the entire episode of season fifty, episode three

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Speaker 1: with Rachel, So make sure you are subscribed and listening.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back very very soon. Ladies, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me today. This has been amazing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Well,