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Speaker 1: the Mets Up Podcast. We have got a fun one.

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Speaker 1: Like we said, it's gonna be the worst Mets of

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Speaker 1: all time bracket, that's gonna be the big thing here today.

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Speaker 1: But of course we're stick in the head. Even though

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Speaker 1: on January twenty third, when we are recording this podcast,

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Speaker 1: there hasn't really been anything going on in the baseball world.

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Speaker 1: to you guys about some things going on, specifically in

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Speaker 1: the Mets world. But first before get go on into that, James,

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Speaker 1: how you been man, what's going on? It's been a week,

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Speaker 1: hasn't even been a week.

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Speaker 2: We spent a lot of time together this weekend with

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Speaker 2: that's been good. Again, it's just in the best baseball offseason,

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Speaker 2: Four of the seven best free agents that we started

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Speaker 2: It's it's aggravating that we're in a world where we

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Speaker 1: No one has a team, Nope, Matt Chapman, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean just nothing's really going on here. One thing

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Speaker 1: No, And that's pretty much it. Joey Gallo signed with

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Speaker 2: where it also does he wouldn't really fit in this

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Speaker 1: That bullpen is lights out. It's gonna look very reminiscent

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Speaker 1: In terms of on the field, the Mets change their

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Speaker 2: I think it stinks, especially now we're going like year

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Speaker 2: I've always I thought for a while that the City

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Speaker 2: It seems like it could be a variation of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I kind of like the idea of

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Speaker 2: The way the City Connect jerseys work is that they

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Speaker 1: If I knew that all the time, but sometimes I do.

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Speaker 2: If I knew the mess pants would be nice and normal,

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Speaker 1: nobody has like a really orange jersey besides the Astros

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Speaker 2: but they wear white pants with it. Yes, like if

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Speaker 2: we don't do that, like no, it looks terrible. And

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Speaker 2: I'm saying I think our difference to the City Connect

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Speaker 1: I interpret the uniform. You see.

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Speaker 2: I'm a full picture guy. You just want to wear

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Speaker 2: it yourself because you're exactly wearing jerseys.

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Speaker 1: Love wearing jerseys. Jerseys are also they're the best. But uh,

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Speaker 1: And I think Darren from the Seven Line made them

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Speaker 2: I will say there's one hundred percent chance these leak,

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Speaker 1: into it, James. We have got a banger starting off

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Speaker 2: There's so much more. Just the way that Robinson Cano

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Speaker 1: And then the funniest thing about it is.

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Speaker 2: But it's the fact that we gave Robinson Cano seventy

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Speaker 1: I think the funniest thing is that we saw Robinson

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Speaker 1: and forty three innings. He had a whip at one

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Speaker 1: point four, he had a fit at five point zero seven.

434
00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,760
Speaker 1: They eventually ended up trading him to the Pirates, which

435
00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,680
Speaker 1: is probably the best thing that could have ever happened,

436
00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,800
Speaker 1: because they got back what John Nice.

437
00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,640
Speaker 2: Right, That was the funniest thing about Bestaro. The best

438
00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,720
Speaker 2: thing about both of these guys, Alamar m. Bistardo, was

439
00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,800
Speaker 2: that the Mets did this. They were like, oh my god,

440
00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,639
Speaker 2: we screw up so badly. And they just traded them

441
00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,080
Speaker 2: both as soon as they could get rid of both

442
00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,800
Speaker 2: of them, just flush it out. But the Mets got

443
00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,600
Speaker 2: best Star, though he had a good little roun with

444
00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,919
Speaker 2: the Phillies and the Pirates, and then they just let

445
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,040
Speaker 2: John nicse go prior that year and then they swapped

446
00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,720
Speaker 2: him back. So Johnnys rightfully could retire as a Met,

447
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,560
Speaker 2: and Bestar though could just never ever done the Orange

448
00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:34,200
Speaker 2: and Blue again.

449
00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,240
Speaker 1: There are very few times I remember being at a

450
00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,080
Speaker 1: game and like genuinely being upset at a player on

451
00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,159
Speaker 1: the field and Antonio Bisardo, me and my dad, I

452
00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,359
Speaker 1: remember we had just gotten like the twenty game pack

453
00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,240
Speaker 1: after the twenty fifteen season in the three hundred section

454
00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,280
Speaker 1: on the first base side, and me and my dad

455
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,639
Speaker 1: are screaming because not only would he never throw strikes

456
00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,920
Speaker 1: he was terrible, but he would hold the ball for

457
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,600
Speaker 1: like thirty five seconds all day. He was a human

458
00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,120
Speaker 1: rain delay. And the guy stunk. This one's a little

459
00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,560
Speaker 1: bit tougher than I think. Who are you going with, James?

460
00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,760
Speaker 2: I think, just for the lore, it has to be Alamar.

461
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,720
Speaker 2: But again, like thinking about our lifestyle, our lifetimes, it

462
00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,119
Speaker 2: like Bestar, that makes more sense bestar the wallso has

463
00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,239
Speaker 2: a special place in my heart, particularly because he was

464
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,359
Speaker 2: like the beacon the biggest lesson for me when I

465
00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,040
Speaker 2: was learning about baseball, Like, you don't sign relievers in

466
00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:18,720
Speaker 2: the middle class.

467
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:19,920
Speaker 1: You just don't do it. You can't do it.

468
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,080
Speaker 2: He got a two year, twelve million dollar contract, which

469
00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,200
Speaker 2: that would probably equate now to like two for twenty,

470
00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,600
Speaker 2: which is almost Robert Steves and just god, and that's

471
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,440
Speaker 2: fans are screaming about that one. But this is the

472
00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,600
Speaker 2: big flashing light. You don't sign relievers here. You go

473
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,359
Speaker 2: low or you go high. You do not sit in

474
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,040
Speaker 2: the middle. And that's the lesson I've taken with me forever.

475
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,760
Speaker 2: It's the lesson I hope I bestowed to you guys

476
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,359
Speaker 2: now when we talk about relievers all the time in

477
00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,159
Speaker 2: this show. But if I just have to push Alamar

478
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:42,680
Speaker 2: because you took a Hall of Famer who went to

479
00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,160
Speaker 2: a team that had legitimate World Series aspirations and they

480
00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,640
Speaker 2: cratered to being one of the worst teams in baseball

481
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:48,520
Speaker 2: for the next three years.

482
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going Roberto Alamar as well. Like it's more

483
00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,000
Speaker 1: of a personal hatred of Antonio Bisardo, but Alamar, like

484
00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,040
Speaker 1: you said was kind of way worse for just the

485
00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,280
Speaker 1: organization in general.

486
00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,560
Speaker 2: There all right, Next up, as we moved through the bracket,

487
00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,320
Speaker 2: get Garry Matthews Junior versus Mo Vaughn both of kind

488
00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 2: of a similar vibe where the Mets probably gave a

489
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,480
Speaker 2: contract they maybe should not have given and that was

490
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,600
Speaker 2: held against these guys.

491
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,200
Speaker 1: But wow, did these two both stink and queens? Yeah?

492
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,119
Speaker 1: Gary Matthews Junior, coming off of a horrendous thirty four

493
00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,879
Speaker 1: year old season with Los Angeles Angels, was given a

494
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,440
Speaker 1: two year, twenty plus million dollar contract by the Mets.

495
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't even know who the GM was at the time.

496
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,359
Speaker 1: Might have been our friend Omar. Might have been one

497
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,480
Speaker 1: of the worst contracts he's ever given out, who knows,

498
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 1: but he was so so awful. Gary Matthews Junior in

499
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,159
Speaker 1: his time with the Mets put up, i mean, legendarily

500
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 1: bad numbers. He only ended up playing thirty six games,

501
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,119
Speaker 1: did not hit a home run, drove in one run,

502
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 1: stole one base, hit one ninety with a two sixty

503
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,160
Speaker 1: six on base two forty one average or slugging five

504
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 1: h seven ops for an OPS plus at forty. He was,

505
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term absolute dog shit.

506
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's one that he kind of

507
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 2: gets lost in the fold a little bit because I

508
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 2: don't know what kind of expectations were on Matthews, because again,

509
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 2: he was never really a good player anyway. He just

510
00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,880
Speaker 2: kind of had this name appeal, but coming to the Mets,

511
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,480
Speaker 2: he was much worse. So again another time in Mets

512
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 2: history where not one thing seemed to work ever for

513
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 2: even a second. But then the other side you have Movon,

514
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 2: who came to the Mets as legitimately like one of

515
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 2: the better hitters of the late nineties. He never got

516
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 2: the shine of Pooholes and McGuire and not pools of

517
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,440
Speaker 2: McGuire Sosa and why am I doing and Barry Bonds

518
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,399
Speaker 2: of course, no shit, what am I doing here? Because

519
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 2: he just didn't have like the Gaullie home run numbers.

520
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 2: But he had a ten year stretch, one of these

521
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 2: being with the Mets as well from ninety three to

522
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 2: two thousand and two where he had a three hundred

523
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 2: three ninety five to forty triple slash and then he

524
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 2: had three hundred homers and thirteen hundred games like he

525
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 2: was dominant. He had a ten year Stretcher was great

526
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 2: in the Mets, even acquiring him at thirty four years old,

527
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 2: you figure, okay, thirty three years old, maybe the prime's over.

528
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: This is that same offseason too, as brotherwow On two

529
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 2: thousand and one, and he got hurt, and he got

530
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 2: hurt again, and he put on a bunch of weight,

531
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 2: and he was okay in two thousand and two for

532
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 2: a Mets team that was abysmal, and then by the

533
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 2: time two thousand and three came, he could barely play

534
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 2: anymore and that was it.

535
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I loved Movon. I was really really

536
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,479
Speaker 1: excited because he was in Backyard Baseball and that was

537
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 1: like my early baseball video game, and he was such

538
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: a dog in that. So I was super excited when

539
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 1: the Mets got him. And he was good in that

540
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: two season, Like there is no doubt he was very good.

541
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: He just was so incredibly terrible in two thousand and three,

542
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: which also kind of leads me to pick Gary Matthews here.

543
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: I tend to lead towards Gary Matthews because we need

544
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 1: some guys who genuinely were just like awful. Gary Matthews

545
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 1: never played again in the majors after that. All needed Mavaugh.

546
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 2: Of course, he retired with thirty five years old, right

547
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 2: after the Mets body completely broke down thirty three. But

548
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 2: I do agree with you, and I do want to

549
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 2: use this bracket to put you a little bit of

550
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: Revision's history to be like, Mets fans hate this guy.

551
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: They might not have been that bad as as like

552
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 2: a preview what we're gonna talk about later on, But

553
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Gary Matthews Junior. To the next round,

554
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 2: little nineties match up here, we got Carlos Bierga going

555
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 2: up against Vince Coleman, two guys who came in with

556
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 2: crazy high expectations and similarly to a lot of these players,

557
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: did not live up to them at all whatsoever. Coleman

558
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: is always a guy that especially our dads, will go

559
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 2: back to when older Mets fans as being like this

560
00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: was like one of the most disappointed things I ever

561
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: had happened. And that's because he came into similar to

562
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 2: Alomar and Vaughn, where this was a Mets team in

563
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety that really needed a spark and they thought

564
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 2: they still had like the pieces the foundation of a

565
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: team that could make a run, and they gave Coleman

566
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: at like eleven million at the time, which probably translates

567
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: to like sixty million today and which even if it.

568
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: Still feels a little cheap.

569
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: But he was someone who had a lot going for

570
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 2: him and he was just a complete train wreck.

571
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: He had nothing.

572
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: He was a six time stolen base champion before he

573
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 2: got to the Mets. He did none of that with

574
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 2: the Mets. He got hurt, he got suspended. He was

575
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: just kind of a jerk. It seems like nothing went

576
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 2: well for Vince Coleman New York. Yeah, Vince Coleman's average

577
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: drop has stolen.

578
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he never stole more than thirty eight bases

579
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: with the Mets for a guy who was routinely stealing

580
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: seventy eighty one hundred bases in the beginning of his

581
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 1: career with the Cardinals. The one thing I will say

582
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 1: is he was never a good hitter, like ever and

583
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: he actually had some of his better like ops plus

584
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: years with the Mets, but he for sure was not

585
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: the same player that they paid for. Whereas Carlos Bierga

586
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: completely fell off, I mean the face of the earth

587
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: when he got to the Mets. He was a guy

588
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: who with Cleveland was pretty solid, like a just good

589
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 1: second basement. He got All Star appearances, MVP votes kind

590
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: of thing. And then he got to the Mets and

591
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: it's I mean, seemingly forgot how to hit, like just

592
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: didn't look like he even knew how to play baseball anymore.

593
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: True, But again, you have a guy in Vince Coleman

594
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 2: who they thought was gonna be like an All Star

595
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: fixture to the top of the lineup, and then he

596
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 2: got in a fight with their manager in the dugout,

597
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: Like is the I don't think these two things are

598
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: the same, Like these they're very different. He apparently one

599
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 2: time he injured Doc Goodin saying seemingly practicing his golf

600
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: swing in the clubs like this was generational levels of

601
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 2: fucking up, like it was. It's unrivaled with the things

602
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 2: that Vince Coleman was apparently given with this Mets team.

603
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: Man, this one's tough, dude, because Viergo, like Biego, was

604
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 1: like rocking like an eight fifty ops with Cleveland, and

605
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: then he came to the Mets and he had a

606
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: year where he had a five to fifty ops with them,

607
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: followed up by seven oh seven and six sixty seven

608
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: like his slash line for the Mets career is that

609
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: of like Joe mceewing, who is just not a good player.

610
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: But not on today's video.

611
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: Apparently there was an incident in the Dodgers parking lot

612
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: where Vince Coleman threw through firecrackers at groups of people,

613
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: including children.

614
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: Okay, well, you know what that changes it. Vince Coleman's

615
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: moving on to the next round. Vince Coleman has to

616
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: get on there. He the guy. This guy was facing

617
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: fellony charges, multiple fellony charge as a member of the Mets. Okay,

618
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: Vince Coleman moves on. That's an easy one. He started

619
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: throwing fireworks at kids. We got to move on to

620
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: the next round here, it's unbelievable. Next up, this is

621
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: this one. Here hits home. This one is a personal

622
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: two of my least favorite Mets to ever put on

623
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: the uniform. We've got Roger Sedanio going up against Jason Vargas,

624
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: both players who had two stints with the Mets. They

625
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: went to the Mets, left, came back and were definitely terrible.

626
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: Definitely terrible. Sadanio, if I'm gonna give him any credit here,

627
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: he did have that one year with the Mets in

628
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: ninety nine, where he was a solid player. He stole

629
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: sixty six base at eight hundred ops. It's kind of

630
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: crazy because I definitely don't know that year as a

631
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: three year old. I remember him in two and three

632
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: where he was just completely.

633
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: Ass Oh three, I learned to hate Sadaniel so much

634
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: that made me extra excited, and Jose Reyes was called

635
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 2: up just so I could see that stolen base record

636
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: not exists anymore, where I was like, I really don't

637
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: want this guy to have his record anymore, Like I

638
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: really can't stand watching him play. Those are the first

639
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: two years I really remember, like watching baseball two and

640
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: oh three, and I remember Sir Daniel look at this

641
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: guy like why why is he a baseball player? Like

642
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: he doesn't really look like a very good baseball player

643
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: at all. But then you go to Jason Vargas, mister

644
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: eighty eight, someone who was in the middle of one

645
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: of the funniest I want to call it, I don't know,

646
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: like locker football, yeah, kerfuffle, locker room instance. We've seen

647
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: an hour Adult Lives as Mets fans shout out our

648
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: friend Tim Healy for being at the center of it,

649
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: where Jason Vargus threatened to threaten to hit him, trying

650
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: to beat him up in the middle of a press conference,

651
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: or he was asking pretty fair questions of a manager

652
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: was doing objectively a bad job, and Jason Vargus like,

653
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to hit you. And then also the greatest

654
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: like little Easter Egg and like modern Mets lore, is

655
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: that just a man who looked like he was transported

656
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: from the seventeen hundreds, like standing next to them, who

657
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: we found out later on as the last few years

658
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: he still works for Rest and why I think he's

659
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: a stats guy there or production does something for them.

660
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 2: But one of the craziest moments of Mets that we've had,

661
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: like the last ten years, because we go like fifty

662
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: it's like something doesn't we get talked about, but that

663
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: that was a moment in time for sure.

664
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. In terms of the least favorite head of all time,

665
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: Rogers Sadaniel's him, and in terms of least favorite pitcher,

666
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: Jason Vargas is up there. The one positive I'll give

667
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: Vargas is that he got trade to the Phillies for

668
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: the will Pond's friend, like their buddy family friend who

669
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: was a horrible catcher at the University of Michigan and

670
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: somehow became a major leaguer and then came to the

671
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: Mets and stunk, which that's a shocker. But Vargas then

672
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: went to the Phillies and sabotaged their playoff run in

673
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, pitched even worse with them. So I think

674
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote Roger Sadaniel because he at least did

675
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: something positive in my life Jason Vargas, which was ruined

676
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: the Philly season.

677
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: Vargas in one hundred and ninety six or two thirds

678
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: innings with the Mets of the five two six y

679
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: ra so bad.

680
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: It's crazy bad.

681
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: That is so bad, the tenth worst and Mets history

682
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: for any player that pitched more than fifty innings for them,

683
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: and the other most Most of the rest of the

684
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: top ten are on this list.

685
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: You guys are gonna hear about them. Don't worry.

686
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 2: But I I'll give you Sadaniel just because I don't

687
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: want to argue right now. But I do think that Vargas,

688
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: which is maybe worse.

689
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'll keep that in mind for the next

690
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: time we have a disagreement, and maybe I go your way.

691
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: That time. Maybe that's how we work this one out here,

692
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: because the next one Mets fans one of your guys'

693
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: favorite players. We've got Paul Sewald going up against shout

694
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: out Jorge Toka, probably a name a lot of you

695
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: guys haven't heard in a while. James, I'm gonna let

696
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: you get a start on your boy, PAULI Seawald Here

697
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: just a preface.

698
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: I still like Paul Seawald. I think Paul Seawald was

699
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: was an under a poorly utilized player with the Mets.

700
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 2: I don't think very clearly. Now we've seen the last

701
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: five years gotten the most out of Paul Seawald's talent.

702
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: That being said Paul Seawald while he was with the Mets,

703
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: because that's what it is about. While he was with

704
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: the Mets was statistically one of the worst pitchers that

705
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: we've ever had in the history of this organization. From

706
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen to twenty twenty, Paul Seawald pitched one hundred

707
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: and forty seven innings, which is a shocking amount of innings.

708
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 2: You think about how long he was actually on this

709
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: team and how bad he was. A five to five

710
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: VRA and this is the craziest stet one win and

711
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: fourteen losses in fifteen decisions over three years. Who's one

712
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: in fourteen, one in fourteen over one hundred and forty

713
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: seven inchs. And those Mets teams weren't great, but they

714
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: also really weren't that bad. Like he could have found

715
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: more ways to get into these situations of that, And

716
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: he also wasn't exactly how leverage a guy with the

717
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: Mets either. And again I get Paul Syward all the

718
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: credit in the world because he went to the Mariners

719
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: and now he is on the Diamondbacks. He was central

720
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: to their World Series run. He is a great reliever,

721
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: one of the better relievers in baseball.

722
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: Now.

723
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: Mark still hates him, hates his guts, But I appreciate

724
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: that Paul Seawald holds the Mets in such low regard

725
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: that he hates them, hates the organization, and feels the

726
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: chip on his shoulder every single time we play against

727
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: each other.

728
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: I respect that kind of hate. We'll get a little

729
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: more chances out of now that he's with the Diamondbacks.

730
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: We'll be able to face them a little more consistently

731
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: than necessarily with when he was with the Mariners. Yeah,

732
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: I hate Paul Seawald. He sucked just so many bad

733
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: memories of him coming out onto the mound and throwing

734
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: eighty eight and just getting absolutely getting his titslet, as

735
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: Keith Hernandez would say. But Jorge Toca is in that

736
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: category of legendarily bad Mets players. He was a Cuban

737
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: slugger that came over to the Mets in nineteen ninety nine.

738
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of hype around him because

739
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: he was this big, strong dude, was supposed to bring power.

740
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: And Jorge Toka played twenty five games for the New

741
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: York Mets. Granted seven for twenty seven, like that's not

742
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: the worst slash line ever. But he didn't hit a

743
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: single home run, He had one extra base hit, and

744
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: he finished with a slash line of two fifty nine average,

745
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: two fifty nine on base, didn't ever walk, not even

746
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: a single time, struck out eleven times two ninety six,

747
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: slugging five to fifty six ops for an OPS plus

748
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: at forty five. And for those of you who were

749
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: around for Horitoka when he was playing, you might remember

750
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: he also could never hold onto the bat. He just

751
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: constantly was letting go of the bat. And he would

752
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: fly into the stands when he was hitting. So it

753
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: just seemed like a guy that maybe was never actually very.

754
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: Good, never drew a walk, never hit by a pitch,

755
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: struck out eleven times, and I mean twenty seven big

756
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: league play, the appearances, never had the sack fly.

757
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: It was just the whole.

758
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: Thing was just legendarily bad from beginning to end. That

759
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: being said, Paul Seawalt's clearly moving.

760
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: Out to the next round. Yeah, we're gonna make this

761
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: one personal. Paul sea Waltz moving on to the next round.

762
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: I can't talk much about hore Toke outside of what

763
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: I just gave you a Paul Sewall though, I got

764
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: a lot to say about that guy. We'll keep it

765
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: on the next one here, James your boy up next,

766
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: Rafael Montero.

767
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: Rafael Montero versus Jason Bay. This is a true battle

768
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: of the Titans, maybe the biggest heavyweight we've seen so

769
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: far in the first round. This is like when it's

770
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: like when UNC is a bad regular season, be gets

771
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: hot in the NCAA tournament and they wind up being

772
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: like a like a ten seed and they're going up

773
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: against a four era. Yeah, time will go up against

774
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: the four is six a six six whatever, March madness.

775
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: I don't care, but that that's what this is. These

776
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: are two stalwarts here in Rafael Montero was supposed to

777
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 2: be the big prospect. He came up with a higher,

778
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: higher prospect ranking in Jacob deGrom. They debuted on back

779
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: to back days. My dad was like, Hey, these two

780
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: rookie pitchers are pitching. Let's go to one of these games.

781
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: Who do you want to see? I was like, let's

782
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: go to Montero. Guy, he's ranked higher. I think he's

783
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: going to be better. Me's got shut out by Masira

784
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: Tanaka nine innings, shoutout, and it was miserable. And Rafael Montero,

785
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: I mentioned it before, he has the worst era in

786
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: Mets history. For anybody who's thrown at least one hundred

787
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: and sixty innings. Five the other guy more than the

788
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: other guy in one hundred and sixty innings at least,

789
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: he has the worst. He threw one hundred and ninety

790
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: two innings with the Mets, twenty eight of those being

791
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: starts and twenty thirty of them, thirty of them being stars,

792
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: twenty of those innings being in relief.

793
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: It was so horrible. It was so awful.

794
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: He was supposed to be so good and the worst

795
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: part was that he left the Mets and has become

796
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: a good reliever ever since. Yeah, that's a story with

797
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: so many of these guys, like they'll come to the

798
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: Mets after being good and be bad. Montero is that

799
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: rare one where he started awful to the Mets. Same

800
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: with Seawall, he leaves and now he's good.

801
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just remember being in high school on the

802
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: JV team, shout out mister Miller, coach of the Westfield

803
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: High School JV baseball team, Kenny Miller, and he would

804
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: big Mets fan. We're talking about like Cinderguard de graand Montero,

805
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: and he was just like, what's the deal with this

806
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: Montero guy? When's it gonna come around him? Like he's

807
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: a top prospect, He's got to get better. Never did,

808
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 1: Never did. One of My first misses that I can

809
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: remember as a youth about evaluating a player whether he

810
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: was good or not. Of course didn't really know that much,

811
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 1: but yeah, Rafael Montero, especially looking back on it, was

812
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: pretty horrible. But was he worse than Jason Bay? Now

813
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 1: Jason Bay it's a tale of he kind of got

814
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: a little bit unlucky too, like he got a concussion,

815
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: he had injuries, but and he had the Great Wall

816
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: of Flushing, which literally killed his career. He also got

817
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: paid way more money than he ever should have because

818
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: he had a sick year with the Red Sox when

819
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: he could hit the ball two hundred and seventy feet

820
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: off the Green Monster and it's either a home run

821
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: or a or a double automatically. But he is also

822
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: one of the first players I remember being excited about

823
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: and then quickly hating immediately, like what is happening? Like

824
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: it clicked in my head that day, I think what

825
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: twenty ten? We were fourteen years old, Yes, I think

826
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: I was like why does this only happen to the Mets?

827
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: Like this was my first like Mets fan crisis of

828
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: like what is wrong with this team I root for?

829
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: It was such a moment where every Mets fan can

830
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: like remember the feeling that they felt when they were

831
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: hurt by Jason Bay because he came in the Mets

832
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: near the corner outfield and near the power hitre He

833
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: seemed to be exactly that nice guy coming from the

834
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest and Zaga guy like had to a great

835
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: time on Pittsburgh, had that great run with the Red Sox, Like,

836
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: oh nice, yeah, Jason Bay.

837
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: And I even remember being at that game an opening.

838
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: Day where he had a triple and he had another

839
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: hit and he had a run scored, and I was like, oh,

840
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: Jason Bay hitting fifth left fielder, Like this is the

841
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: way baseball is supposed to be. And it got so

842
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: bad from there, especially given the fact that the Mets

843
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: gave him a four year, like seventy million dollars contract.

844
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: They were very close with Matt Holliday, who went on

845
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: to be a multi time All Star lead spurning the

846
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: Mets for the Cardinals the same time. And it was

847
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: one of those sliding glass doors moment when you're a

848
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: Mets fan, you're like, other teams get the good players

849
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: and we get the bus. And that's kind of the

850
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: PTSD that six with fans to this day. It's why

851
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: we're doing this a little.

852
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: Bit right now. But he was such a disappointment to

853
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 1: the fact that it just it like again, it hurt

854
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: Mets fans for a generation. Yeah, And this was like

855
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: coming off of like Cityfield was opened in what two

856
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, Right, so it was the second season,

857
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: like new stadium, they're spending money, they brought in k

858
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: Rod two. There's just so much hype around the guys

859
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: that had been brought in, and he just couldn't He

860
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: couldn't even say on the field.

861
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: The best stab about Jason Bay I can think of

862
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: is that every single year from two two thousand and

863
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: four to two thousand and nine he hit at least

864
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: twenty one home runs, and every other one of the

865
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: seasons but two we hit over thirty home runs. In

866
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: the three years he played with the Mets, he hit

867
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 2: twenty six home runs.

868
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: So I got a feeling. Well, my vote's Jason Bay.

869
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: My votes Jason Bay. Jason Bay is moving on to

870
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: the next round, all right, Finishing off the left side

871
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: of the bracket here we have got Kazmat Sui going

872
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: up against Paul Wilson. A different hype on both of

873
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: these guys. Of course, Kazmat Suey brought over from Japan

874
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: in that two thousand and four season. He was one

875
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: of the best players in Japan at the time. He

876
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: put up like actually insane numbers in Japan. I don't

877
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: know if you guys know this, like, I can't even

878
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: blame the Mets because Matt Sui in back to back

879
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: years hit thirty three thirty six home runs, had thirty

880
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: six and forty six doubles, stealing like twenty bases a

881
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: year with an ops right around one thousand. The last

882
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: two seasons he played in Japan, he was twenty eight

883
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: years old, so he was in his prime and he

884
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: got started off hot. He hit the home run in

885
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: the first pitch on opening Day and it was like,

886
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, here it comes. And then Kazmatsui stunk

887
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: the rest of his career.

888
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another game I was at too. I saw

889
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: that first kas Matsu home I was like, oh my god,

890
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: we got this guy. And the weirdest stuff about Kaz

891
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: two was that when he came over, there was that

892
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: provision in his contract where he had to play shortstop,

893
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: and then he kept making error after error after ever,

894
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: while Jose Reyes, who had just come up the year before,

895
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: one of the most exciting players we'd seen his Mets fans,

896
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: the first exciting Mets player ever. I've never seen him adult,

897
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: not my adult life, in my life. The first time,

898
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 2: I was like, that guy's good. He had to play

899
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: second base, and his he had a canna for an arm,

900
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: Cas couldn't throw, he had stones for hands, and it

901
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: was such an unmitigated disaster and it hurt so bad

902
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: the whole time. It's just it's almost you look like,

903
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: how could this possibly have happened? And you you you

904
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: think back to like those two thousand and four and

905
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: five and eventually two thousand and six Mets, and you're like, wow,

906
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: like that money was better spent, Like what that could

907
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: have could have meant for this organization.

908
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: If Jose Reyes could have played shortstop, the position that

909
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: he was good at, like Kaz Matsui was a little

910
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: bit of a prima donna per se when he came

911
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: over here, and he just did not live up to

912
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: the hype. Another though, Paul Wilson talking about hype part

913
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: of Generation K and just simply never did. He got

914
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: one chance to pitch for the Mets one hundred and

915
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: forty nine innings in nineteen ninety six, the birth year

916
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: of Mark and James and five point three eight era

917
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: a whip at one point five. He was just horrendous.

918
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: This is another one where we don't feel as much

919
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: because we weren't there when it happened. But again talking

920
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: to older Mets fans, cousins dad, when the hell generation K,

921
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: especially led by Paul Wilson, didn't work out, it was like,

922
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, it was like a family member had

923
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: been shot. Like it was it was like they the

924
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: amount of distrust and sadness, especially coming off all the

925
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: joy of the eighties and then thinking you had another

926
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: build up to the nineties and thinking about those nineties

927
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: Mets teams were like, how again, like how much bad

928
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: they would have been with like two more pitchers in

929
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 2: front of that rotation where two of these guys would

930
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: have worked out.

931
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: It would have, But what's also dealt with injuries?

932
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: It just it never it never happened. It never even

933
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: really got close, and just kind of goes to show,

934
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: you know, Mets, you know starting pitching, that you build

935
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: the starting pitching, these massive troubles that you could find.

936
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I'm going kas Mats to who you go,

937
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: I'm on cast two again. This is just it hurts.

938
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: It hits us hardly when we saw these guys. I'm

939
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: sure if we saw Paul Wilson, we were part of that.

940
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: But just like the joy of Kazmatsui and then the

941
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 2: fact that his entire major league career he had fewer

942
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 2: home runs than either of his last two years in Japan.

943
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: It's just like, there's there, it's he. You can't beat him. No,

944
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: going over to the right side of this bracket. I

945
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: am excited to talk about this one. This is this

946
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: is a banger right here. We've got Tom Glavin going

947
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: up against Oliver Perez and James. I know you've been

948
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: chomping at the bit to talk about your favorite Met

949
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: of all time, Tom Glavin. So I'm just gonna I'm

950
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: gonna be quiet. I'm gonna let you take the stage here.

951
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: I hate Tom Glavin. I hate Tom Glavin so much.

952
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: I hate Tom Glavin more than most Mets that have

953
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: ever led. And the worst part is like he wasn't

954
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: even that bad with the Mets. Like they signed Tom

955
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: Glavin because he knew it was old. They signed him

956
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: a thirty seven year old and he was coming over

957
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: from an amazing Hall of Fame career at the Braves,

958
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: won tons of divisions, only one World Series though, and

959
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: he they were like, we want someone to study this rotation.

960
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: That was when al LII there was still here and

961
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: it was feeling kind of good, You're starting to get

962
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: this thing to get and then he again he was

963
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: totally fine. I think his career with the Mets, he

964
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: had like a three six, three seven is gra like

965
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: no issues there when some games lost some games.

966
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: Him going out in that game in two thousand and

967
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: seven and throwing the stinger that he did against the

968
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Marlins team that was really awful and then having like

969
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: no care in the world about it, like it didn't

970
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: even matter, so nonchalant aloof after the game it is

971
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: I I'll never forget it. And the fact that he's

972
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 2: the only player ever wearing the Mets jersey to get

973
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: his three hundred win while a member of the Mets team,

974
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: for all the great pitchers that have come through this team,

975
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: the fact that it wasn't Tom Sever the fact that

976
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been Nolan Ryan. He was fucking Tom Glavin.

977
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: I hate Tom Glavin. Whenever I watch Braves games, I

978
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 2: put them on mute. I just can't. I can't stand

979
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: the guy.

980
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: I can't.

981
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: I can't deal with the smugness. I can't deal with

982
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: his attitude. He was pretty funny. I'll give him credit

983
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: for that, Like all those guys were cool, Like he

984
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: was a hockey goalieah of the ayah cool stuff.

985
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: But I hate Tom Glavin. Yeah, I mean he shipped

986
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: the bed that when we needed him the most, he

987
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: absolutely crumbled and disappeared and then went back to the

988
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: Braves the next season.

989
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: So he was great two thousand and six. He was

990
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: a big reason that team did what they did. Like,

991
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 2: he had an awesome year. It was probably his best

992
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: encapsulate year with the Mets. He was an All star, like,

993
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: he had a great joby, he threw one hundred and

994
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: evenings like every single year with the team. He's not

995
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: like he got hurt. It's not like he failed, Like

996
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: not like he failed what was he was signed to do?

997
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: But when the lights were the brightest he did nothing. Yeah,

998
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: I mean, just like he.

999
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: Did with the Braves because as we know, they only

1000
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: won one World Series with him, and they were in

1001
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: the postseason every single year for what like fifteen straight years.

1002
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe not a big game pitcher Tom Glavin.

1003
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: There I was gonna say.

1004
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: He also did he pitched okay for us in the

1005
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: postseason two thousand and six. He did lose a very

1006
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: critical game to the Cardinals, but he didn't really pitch

1007
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: poorly in it. But again, yeah, that two thousand and

1008
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 2: seven game, that will stick with me my whole life.

1009
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: That Mets team was like a juggernaut, and the way

1010
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: Blue was the worst.

1011
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: I just got a feeling I'm not gonna be able

1012
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: to convince you here on Oliver Perez, because I mean,

1013
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If we're talking worse, Oliver Perez was

1014
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: definitely worse. Like he pitched a very similar timeline ish

1015
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: to Tom Glavin, Like he got there in O six

1016
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: and was horrendous, And we know what he did in

1017
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: O six as well, we don't. We don't have to

1018
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: talk about that one too much, giving up that a

1019
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 1: big home run. But he just kind of was never good.

1020
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: Like he had that one season in OH seven, which

1021
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: go figure, the year Tom Glavin stunk. He was good,

1022
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: but then the other three seasons after that he was

1023
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: a disaster. He was mentally bizarre to watch play baseball

1024
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: because he would hop over the line, he would change

1025
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: how he was throwing randomly. Seemed like sometimes he wouldn't

1026
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: even agree with with whatever the catcher put down. He

1027
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: throw whatever he want. He was just bad. This what

1028
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: I'll say about Oliver Perez. One met him, nice guy,

1029
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: had a beer with him at the Diamondbacks playoff game

1030
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: against the Phillies. So he was a cool dude. And

1031
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: two he somehow turned it into a twenty year career.

1032
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how, just being a lefty, I guess

1033
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: crafty lefty.

1034
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: But he definitely was worse with the Mets. He The

1035
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: funny thing is about Perez. I've talked about that weekend

1036
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: with Tom Glavin, but the fact that Sunday game, that

1037
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: Friday game, Ali blew it. If you remember correctly, I

1038
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: think he walked like five guys in the first inning. Yeah,

1039
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: and I was actually stadium that night and now go

1040
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: to games. I know I've been very recently, but back

1041
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 2: in those times it was just bad. But the moaning

1042
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: and groaning in that stadium, that was when everyone was like, Oh,

1043
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 2: this is actually gonna happen, Like we're gonna we're really

1044
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: gonna blow this. And that was it, especially coming off

1045
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: with that year where he was probably the second and

1046
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: third most trusted pitcher on that team. He threw one

1047
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: hundred threw one hundred eighty innings, He made twenty nine

1048
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: starts a year after he's made thirty four starts, like

1049
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: he was out there was just he was signed as

1050
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 2: a guy who like they were trying to project upon,

1051
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: like we can make him better. And he did have

1052
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: again that one very good season, but the Mets just

1053
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 2: weren't weren't fit as an organization the time to get

1054
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: more out of a guy like Oliver Perez.

1055
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: So who's your vote there, James, who you're going with?

1056
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: It has to be Tom Glavin? I hate Tom Glavin.

1057
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: Is is this the one I'm gonna give to you

1058
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: to let you have Tom Glavin here? Yeah, you definitely should. Okay,

1059
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: I'll move Tom Glavin on. My vot would have been Ali,

1060
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: but I'll move Tom Glavin on because you know what,

1061
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: I also hate that fucking loser. I hate him fucking brave.

1062
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: You can never get out of him.

1063
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: The next top matchup we have here, one that I

1064
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: think you guys probably want the most. Yeah, Darren Ruff

1065
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: versus Pedro Aastasio Marx, I think everyone knows about Darren Ruff.

1066
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: Tell the people about Pedro Stasio for a second.

1067
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pedro Ostasio is a guy that I will admit

1068
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: I had a better memory of how he pitched. Looking

1069
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: back at the numbers, he was horrendous with the Mets.

1070
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: He was really really bad, like genuinely one of the

1071
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: worst pitchers in Mets history two hundred and twenty eight

1072
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: innings of five to two ERA with a whip at

1073
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: one point four. He just didn't do anything good. He

1074
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: was a part of some of the worst Mets teams

1075
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: of my lifetime two and oh three. Seeing a theme

1076
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: here with a lot of these players, usually with a

1077
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: lot of the losing teams on the Mets have some

1078
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 1: of the worst players of all time. He just wasn't

1079
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: very good, and I think they gave him a pretty

1080
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: decent contract as well, coming over from Houston, Colorado, where

1081
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: he'd been pretty successful. But I don't know if he

1082
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: stacks up against Darren Ruff. There's no way.

1083
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: Darren Ruff had a legendarily bad two month stretch with

1084
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: the Mets. Again, I don't think it was technically all

1085
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: his fault. For some reason, the second the Mets trade

1086
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: for him to be there, you know, they're designated hit there,

1087
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: they're Lefty Masher. He just they decided to throw him

1088
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: into pitch in the game against the Braves. That gotten

1089
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: out of the hand, that he actually hit a double

1090
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: and had two RBIs in before he entered the mound,

1091
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: and in that instance he pinched a nerve and he

1092
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: didn't really take any time off at the time for

1093
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 2: pinching the nerve. He ended up taking a few days off,

1094
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: like a few weeks later. But he in total had

1095
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: ten hits and seventy four at bats with six ront scores,

1096
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: seven RBIs, only three extra base hits and a shocking

1097
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: twenty two WRC plus, So he was seventy eight worse

1098
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: than league average with the bat, which is hard to

1099
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: do in two months.

1100
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was genuinely felt so bad for the guy too,

1101
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: so so bad Like I did not. We're not the

1102
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: Mets fans who want to root against these guys, like

1103
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: we're talking about hating Tom Glavin and I hated Roger

1104
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: Sadaniel and Jason Vargas. I don't want to hate these guys.

1105
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: But he made it really really hard to root for

1106
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: him and whether or not he deserved as much hate

1107
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: as he got, you know, Buck Showalter definitely put him

1108
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: in awful situations too, facing Righty's at times late in

1109
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: the game, they're like, hey, Darren Ruff, you need to

1110
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: save the game against the righty, something you're not good at,

1111
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: something that the Giants never made you do. And also

1112
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: the fact that that trade got crazy overblown, trading Jady

1113
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: Davis and four minor leaguers who no one gives a

1114
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: shit about it anymore. It's probably still Darren Ruff though.

1115
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: I'd love to ask Mets fans who was in that trade,

1116
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: because I don't think anybody can remember.

1117
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: I can guess, Yeah, I guess who Who's Okay, So

1118
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: we got Thomas A. Pucky, we got JD. Davis, Yes,

1119
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: we've got what's wow, it's gonna be tough. Was Carson

1120
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: Seymour one of them? Carson Seymour was one of them? Okay,

1121
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: Carson seymore than there was one more. You're forgetting zwack

1122
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: nick z whack. Yes, I mean who where are they now?

1123
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I mean I don't think maybe

1124
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: Seymour gets to the major leagues. He throws the hardest

1125
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: out of all of them. But there's definitely nothing exciting

1126
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: in that trade. So that that was a big reason

1127
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: I got overblown. But it doesn't get past the fact

1128
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: that he was one of.

1129
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: The worst hitters in baseball from when they acquire them

1130
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: to yep. Darren Ruff moving on to the next round

1131
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: for a rough Glaven matchup coming up in round two.

1132
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: Gonna be previewing that one soon here. Next up, we've

1133
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: got a battle of terrible pitchers, Jared Iikoff versus Victor

1134
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: zam Bryant. I know Jarediykoff was someone that I fought

1135
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: to get on this list. James, you were not as

1136
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: big of a proponent, but I did. Then read you

1137
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: out the numbers of jaredike Off with the Mets, and

1138
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: it's laugh out loud funny. So he pitched in twenty

1139
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: twenty one with the Mets, nineteen innings, he had an

1140
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: eight point six y ninety ra. He had a two

1141
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: point zero three whip so every inning, on average, two

1142
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: guys got on base, whether it was a hit or

1143
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: a walk, and he gave up nineteen earned runs, thirty hits,

1144
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: he walked ten batters. I mean it, he hit three.

1145
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: It's shocking how bad he was.

1146
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: My favorite Jared Lacoff star is that he gave up

1147
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: nineteen nine home runs in nineteen innings pitch so on

1148
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: average a home run every other inning for Jerry Lacoff.

1149
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: And the worst thing that he did because again, this

1150
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: was situation where the Mets were totally out of options

1151
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: that if you guys remember that summer of twenty twenty one,

1152
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: it was it was crazy out there, Like John what's

1153
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 2: his name, James mccannon was playing first base, like Jaredy

1154
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: need Jered Lyacoff to pitch as when we learned about

1155
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: Tyler McGill. But he came up and then went down

1156
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: because he was horrific. And then they were like, you

1157
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: know what, yeah, just do it again. Let's just come

1158
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: up again a couple of weeks later. And the worst thing

1159
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: that Jerry Lakoff did by far is that he I

1160
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: don't know if you remember this, but he totally spurned

1161
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: the Braves run.

1162
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: Yes.

1163
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: On July twenty seventh, this was like about a few

1164
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: days after Ronald Acuna towards ACL Jered Lykoff pitched a

1165
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: game at home against Atlanta Braves, didn't make it out

1166
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: of the fourth inning, tenor and runs, three homers, and

1167
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: that and the rest was history. The Brave's not a

1168
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: run from that moment on and never looked back. That

1169
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: gave the Braves the belief that they could do it.

1170
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: They went down and they got all their death pieces

1171
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: that caught fire at the right time, and Mets fans

1172
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: we could blame Jered Yakoff for the Braves twenty twenty

1173
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: one championship.

1174
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a tough one. That's a tough one

1175
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: to swallow. There, he was legendarily bad. Victor Zambrono, I think,

1176
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: was not as bad, but was probably more hated. And

1177
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: again it kind of has to do with the fact

1178
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: that he was traded for Scott Kashmir, someone who Mets

1179
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: fans were obsessed with, a young pitching prospect who loved

1180
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: being a Met, wanted to be a Met, got sent

1181
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: to Tampa Bay, where at the time the rays were

1182
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: not the rays that they are today, So that was

1183
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: like a death sentence to go to that team. It

1184
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, God, have to go play in Tampa.

1185
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: And we got Victor's m brano back, who was supposed

1186
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: to be this the steady pitcher who's going to give

1187
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: you a great starts every game. And while he wasn't

1188
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: as bad as I remember, he still wasn't good like

1189
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: at all. No, the worst part of Victors in Branno.

1190
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 2: Again, when the Mets acquired him, I think most people

1191
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 2: realize he wasn't good at all. Besides the illustrious Jim Duquett,

1192
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: who I think executed this trade if I remember correctly,

1193
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: know in baseball nowhere but Zambrano coming to the Mets.

1194
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: You guys know, I love to talk about strike out

1195
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: minus walk rate all the time, and Zambrowno was the

1196
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: king of the opposite of this. He just walked guys

1197
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: left and right, even coming to the Mets. These are

1198
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 2: strike out minus walk rates before it happened. League average

1199
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: for this hovers around eight to twelve if you're real,

1200
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: really good, if you get about fifteen the best guys

1201
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: in the league said the twenty two thousand and two

1202
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: one percent, two thousand and three, three percent, two thousand

1203
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: and four to three percent. He was basically walking same

1204
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: guys he was striking out, and the Mets were like, here,

1205
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: take our best pitching prospect for and there's another one

1206
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: where it's a compound issue to where Victor Sanbrono. By

1207
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: the time two thousand and six scot rolling, the Mets

1208
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 2: were like, you can't be anywhere near this team because

1209
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: you're a disaster. We don't watch you to pitch. Ever,

1210
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: if you have a like an as sending Scot Kashmi

1211
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: at that time, maybe the whole thing winds up differently.

1212
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: You have one more relief option, You've one got to

1213
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: make a spot start. Like there's this is the like

1214
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: that the compounding of Victor Zambrano is the part that

1215
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: kills me the most and always will.

1216
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's the crux of Victor Zambrano. It's just

1217
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: it's a whole There's a whole lot besides what just

1218
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: happened on the field as to why he's one of

1219
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: the worst. So are you going Zambrano? Who are you

1220
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: going here?

1221
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: I think I just have to go Zanbrono again for

1222
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: the volume, because like Ikof wasn't a part of any

1223
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 2: Mets season and any Mets roster that could have actually

1224
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: been anything Like he was just generationally bad, but we

1225
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 2: also knew how bad he was, Like every time Ikoff

1226
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: went to the mound, it was a meme on Twitter.

1227
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: One's like, you gotta be kidding me with this guy.

1228
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: Whereas Ambrono, the trade Victors Zanbrono could have cost the

1229
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: Mets a chance had a championship. In more postseason berths.

1230
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was actually leading Ikof until you brought that

1231
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: part up about how is the walk per strikeout thing?

1232
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that he was rocking like a one

1233
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: percent ka walk ratio.

1234
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: So funny thing about Zambrono too, is that his first

1235
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 2: start with the Mets, he actually got in that bat

1236
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: before he pitched. The Mets had batted a round before

1237
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: he got to the mound, and he almost blew that game.

1238
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Victor's Enbrono, You're onto the next round, Jared,

1239
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: iikoff your fun story. A little blipin Met's history for sure.

1240
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: Now moving on another matchup of a reliever from the

1241
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: last ten years who I know Mark hates and someone

1242
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 2: who is truthfully a favorite for this entire bracket. And yeah,

1243
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: Gillermo Mota versus the famous, the the always, the dependable

1244
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: Jed Lowry.

1245
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Giermo Mota, a part of the crew that revitalized

1246
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: the Phillies in two thousand and seven, really gave them

1247
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: some hope going down the stretch, losing some big games

1248
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: against them in August and September. Geramomota sucked. He also

1249
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: was enemy number one of my boy Mike Piazza. He

1250
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: threw at him in spring training Mike Piazza went out

1251
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: to the parking lot after the game, waited for him.

1252
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: Apparently had to be like escorted away because Piazza was

1253
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: seeing read. There was a huge spring training brawl. Shout

1254
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: out to my dad for waking me up to watch

1255
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: Mike Piazza face Gheirmo Mota because he he was like,

1256
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: do these guys hate each other? I want you to

1257
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: watch this meaningless spring training at bat and I'll never

1258
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: forget the brawl. Joe mceewing was like foaming at the mouth.

1259
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: He was ready to fight. So what so badly? I mean,

1260
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: he just sucked with the Mets. He was terrible. He

1261
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: had a good two thousand and six where he was

1262
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: big down the stretch for them, for sure, but in

1263
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: O seven he was horrendous, really bad. But I will

1264
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: say going up against Jed Lowry, who for those of

1265
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: you who have been watching my channel for a long time,

1266
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: know the meme of me being excited about the Mets

1267
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: originally getting Jed Lowry because he was a good player.

1268
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: He was great. He was so good. I thought he

1269
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: was exactly what the Mets needed. And you look at

1270
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: his career and he finished with zero hits. In nine

1271
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: games and a negative sixty one ops. Is there anything

1272
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: else that needs to be said?

1273
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: Two years, twenty million dollars, the same vibe as when

1274
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: Brady Van Wagon and trayvor Ramskno. He's like, we're going

1275
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: to legitimize this team right now, and almost every single

1276
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: thing he did was either wrong stupid. They're both yeah,

1277
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: and again, Lowry Larry was a good player, had a

1278
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: good career, came up with the Red Sox, was pretty

1279
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: exciting for them.

1280
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: I think he was around. He just left before that

1281
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: World Series. He won twenty tens. He was on a

1282
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 1: lot of really really good Oakland A's teams that were

1283
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: routinely in the playoffs, with him being a central contributor

1284
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: near the top of the line up for many years.

1285
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: The year before the Mets signed him, he had twenty

1286
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: three homers, like career high. The guy was playing a

1287
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: little bit, and then it was just at total fiasco.

1288
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: No hits, no hit. Twenty million dollars for zero hits.

1289
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: That's he's unbeatable in this to me. He also did

1290
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: not play the field, did not even get into the

1291
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: field defensively for the New York Mets, and he had

1292
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: the little helm with the two flaps. Yeah, he's a

1293
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: switch hitter. He had the double double flap helme and

1294
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: he looked like a little dork. And I'm sure he's

1295
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: a nice guy, but this is a lock to move

1296
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: on to the next round.

1297
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 2: Moving on, Jed Lowry, next matchup here, funny one because

1298
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: we have a meme. And then someone who again is

1299
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: a real competitor to win this entire thing. John Mayberry

1300
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: Junior versus Aaron Heilman Mayberry Junior. He was awful, terrible

1301
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: with the Mets, terrible for most of his career, probably

1302
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: just rode the coat tails of his dad being a

1303
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: good ball player for a while.

1304
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: And he's the.

1305
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: Funny guy who was like he hit I think it

1306
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: was fourth in one of the Mets Lions in twenty

1307
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: fifteen July, where everyone was like, what are we doing here?

1308
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: We had to make trades like we can't. We have

1309
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: a good team, we can't keep going on like this.

1310
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: But that doesn't really compare it to Aaron Hilman doing.

1311
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: What he did to my childhood. Specifically, I take back

1312
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: everything I've said about all the other players. I hate

1313
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: Aaron Hilman more than I hate anyone that's ever put

1314
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: on the uniform for the New York Mets, Like there's

1315
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: a there's a world I'm gonna say this where if

1316
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: Chase Utley put on a Mets uniform. I still hate

1317
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Hilman more than I would Chase Utley. He just

1318
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: brought me so much sadness and so much anger. I

1319
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: think it was the first like that was the first

1320
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: time I ever realized like, oh, like sometimes pitchers are

1321
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: bad like these, sometimes there's just bad juju around a guy.

1322
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: From the day this guy came up, he was horrendous.

1323
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: And while he did have a couple good seasons sprinkled

1324
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: in the two thousands with the Mets, it just felt

1325
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: like every time there was a big moment, every time

1326
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: there was a big out, anytime that you needed something

1327
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: from Aaron Hileman and he came into the game, he

1328
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: blew it. This guy thrived in low leverage situations, but

1329
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: anytime there was pressure, he would shit his pants. I

1330
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: saw him at the MLB Draft Combine. It took everything

1331
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: in my power to not go up to him and

1332
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: tell him to go fuck himself.

1333
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: And also he was a first round pick by the team.

1334
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: Great college pitcher and know their name, like, it seemed

1335
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: like he was gonna be guys can come up and

1336
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 2: change things, and he which which he had did to

1337
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: give up in two thousand and six, it was he

1338
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 2: gave up the actual TIATI yeah he did. Yeah, said,

1339
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: I thought you mentioned before Ali, But I was like,

1340
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: I really think it was Hilman.

1341
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: But no, Ali gave up. I believe to so Tagucci. Yep,

1342
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: that was another game I was at. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1343
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: that's the one that was the leading tours.

1344
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: Yes, that was why up, all right, But I just

1345
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: again like John Aybrady Junior, he came up. He was

1346
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: like big guy him and I think it was Dominic

1347
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: Brown was the other Philly outfielder.

1348
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: They're coming up at the same time. I was like, damn,

1349
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: these guys are good.

1350
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 2: We got worried about Phillies, just want a championship. Can't

1351
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: let them out of our sight. But they were awful.

1352
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: It's it's Hilman all the way.

1353
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, it's got to be Heilman. I hate him.

1354
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: I hate him. God hate this next guy too, cheez,

1355
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: I hate it. There's a lot of Mets players in

1356
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: these two thousands. I really hated it was even a

1357
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: fan at this point, I was horrible as a kid.

1358
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: Luis Castillo going up against Jim Fragozi a little bit

1359
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: of an old school we got it. We got to

1360
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: throw a couple old school guys in here for the

1361
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: older listeners at home. Let me talk about Louis Castillo first,

1362
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: before I let you get going. He came in similarly

1363
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: to kind of like Roberto alomar ish way of like

1364
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: good player, great with the Marlins, won All Star Games.

1365
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: Good fielder, good fielder, good fielder. I want to stress

1366
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: that good fielder. And he came to the Mets and

1367
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: his batting average plummeted. Immediately hit two forty five In

1368
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight with the Mets, he hit two

1369
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: thirty five and twenty ten, finished with the career average

1370
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: of two seventy fourth the Mets, by far the lowest

1371
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: of any of the three teams he played for. He

1372
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: was a horrendous fielder at second base. We don't need

1373
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: to bring up him dropping that that pop up that

1374
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: a Rod hit against the Yankees and shout out Matt

1375
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: Storks for calling me on my home phone and be

1376
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: like did you see it? I'm like, yeah, I fucking

1377
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: saw it. Of course I did. This is hell, This

1378
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: is a nightmare. Luis Castillo was the bane of my

1379
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: existence as a ten, eleven, twelve thirteen year old as

1380
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: a Mets fan. I just hated him and he was

1381
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: he was bad. He was genuinely.

1382
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: Terrible, so bad, and he came to the Mets as

1383
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: someone who at the time it was like kind of

1384
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: one of my favoritiest players in baseball. And there's another

1385
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: guy where the Mets gave a bas sets to get

1386
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: him in the middle of two thousand and seven or eight,

1387
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: which one So the Mets traded I mean at the

1388
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 2: end of the day, like it didn't really matter. They

1389
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: trade Dustin Martin and Drew but Terra to the Twins,

1390
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: but they did go out and try and improve the

1391
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 2: team by getting.

1392
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: Him, That's what I'm saying. So like this was a

1393
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: time where the.

1394
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: Team was really near to the spark and like Louis Castillo,

1395
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: he's player, he's been around the league for a while,

1396
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: like tough second basement puts the ball in play before

1397
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: we really any of us knew anything about baseball. And

1398
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: he was abysmal, and that was like the beginning of

1399
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: the end for like that kind of like number two

1400
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: hitter in the lineup where it's like he killed it.

1401
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna slash the ball the other way and like

1402
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: hope to steal it back. Then people, yeah, he had.

1403
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: He had this little swing where he was just inside

1404
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: out the ball. I think I remember when I was

1405
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 2: a kid, like when I was not playing baseball. Well,

1406
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: my dad like swinging like Louis Castillo. Right, I am

1407
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: swinging like Louis Castillo. I'm trying to inside out the

1408
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: ball the other way and get a knock. But he

1409
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 2: was terrible. But then you go on the other side

1410
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: of this and another one where if you ask the

1411
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: generation before, if Mets fans, this is probably their answer,

1412
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: Jim Fergozi. And it's a shame because Forgozi had truthfully,

1413
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: all in all, a tremendous career. The real problem though,

1414
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: for Grozie was that he just happened to be traded

1415
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: from the California Angels for Nolan Ryan, who as we

1416
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: all know, was a part of the Mets nineteen sixty

1417
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: nine championship team, went on to be one of the

1418
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: greatest pitchers in the history of baseball, and for Goozie

1419
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: again had an amazing career. I was looking at before,

1420
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: like doing research for this for Goozie in All Short

1421
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: Stops and History of Baseball, Top seven in war through

1422
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: their age twenty nine season, the history of the game,

1423
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: the history of the game. He had a ten year

1424
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: stretch of stars career, like, oh, this guy could conceivably

1425
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 2: be a Hall of Famer, but it was as the

1426
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: skill set that was probably not very valued at the

1427
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 2: time because he was like a two sixty two to

1428
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: seventy type of hitter with like a little bit of power,

1429
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: a little the speed, and played the defense. But he

1430
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: came to the Mets, he didn't know how to play baseball.

1431
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: He in that nineteen seventy two year hit five homers

1432
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: and one hundred games, had a two thirty average. It's

1433
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: kind of thinking to get kicked you out of the

1434
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: league back then. And again situation where this Mets team

1435
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 2: the seventy two to seventy three, of course we're in

1436
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: the thick of it, and they gave up real assets

1437
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: for this guy, Jim Fergozi, who was nothing. And then

1438
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: he leaves the Mets and he has a good little

1439
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: spur at the end of his career with the Rangers,

1440
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: probably with Nolan Ryan on the same team.

1441
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: I don't. I kind of mka voting for Gozy, but

1442
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: I want to vote Castillo because it's more personal to me,

1443
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: so my votes Castillo. I'm with that too.

1444
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: But we are we also are doing a thing now

1445
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 2: where it's only the guys that we saw are moving on.

1446
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true, man, dude, you can't move on

1447
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: for Gozie. But was he worse than Castillo? Is there? Like,

1448
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: let's break down the numbers here a little bit because

1449
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: they both hit probably about the same amount of home runs,

1450
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: which is a little more concerning because Louis Castillo was

1451
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: not known as home run hit or by any means.

1452
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: Frozie hasn't met hit about two thirty in the seventies,

1453
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: like two thirty in the seventies.

1454
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: Kind of thing gets you burned at the stake. Yeah, oh, man,

1455
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: Jim Fogozie had a lower ops plus than Castillo two

1456
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: And again with all this, no matter what, whoever moves

1457
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: on here is losing the Hilman in the next round.

1458
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 1: So is that this is this is a low impact play.

1459
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: This is like eight versus nine with the number one

1460
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: seed Kansas Jayhawk waiting for the next matchup.

1461
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: I moved for gozy On. I move for gozy On

1462
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: for Gozie takes it.

1463
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: Now as we close out the bracket hit the last

1464
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: two matchups, we have one Samuel Versus a favorite of

1465
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: mine personally core O's Walt uh Mark talk on Samuell.

1466
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: Wan Samuel and I know it is a different time,

1467
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: but was genuinely awful. He was terrible with the Mets.

1468
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: So you talked about like in the seventies, hitting two

1469
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: thirty was bad. In the eighties it was also still bad.

1470
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: Wan Samuel with the Phillies was disgusting from eighty four

1471
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: to eighty seven, like literally crazy good. I didn't know

1472
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: he was as good slash line wise, no counting numbers wise. Yes,

1473
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: he was a middle infielder who was averaging twenty homers,

1474
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: thirty six doubles, fifteen triples, eighty three RBIs and fifty

1475
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: two stolen bases a year with a seven to seventy

1476
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 1: OPS from age twenty three to twenty four. The Mets

1477
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: got him in his twenty eight year old season and

1478
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: he hit three home runs, hit two twenty eight with

1479
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: a five ninety nine OPS. Genuinely one of the worst

1480
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: slash lines I've seen for a guy who got some

1481
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: consistent playing time.

1482
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: Why is there this theme of all these guys having

1483
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: been a member of the Phillies organization, Because I know

1484
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: Samuel's even gone back to the Phillies the last few

1485
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: years and been like a special instructor coach type of thing.

1486
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know what it is.

1487
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I guess they just love that awful city. Maybe I

1488
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I guess that's it.

1489
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: But in eighty games of the Mess, there's there's probably

1490
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: no one worse than that. But I'll raise you a

1491
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: pitcher who could have been worse than that. And as

1492
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: Coreo's well, coriols well has the record for the highest

1493
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: era in the history of the New York Mets for

1494
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: any picture through more than fifty innings. That's a special

1495
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: title because of what's gone on this organization for the

1496
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 2: last sixty years. But a five eight ninety ray over

1497
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: ninety four innings, how many strikeouts, say seventy strikeouts in

1498
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: ninety innings?

1499
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: It was.

1500
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: It was so bad because every single spring training, especially

1501
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: Corios will come out pump ninety seven. Yea, like here,

1502
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: I'd be like if Corgole's well, sys ninety seven, like

1503
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a good picture, and every time April

1504
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: would come he he's back in ninety three, ninety four,

1505
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: and the ball would be hit.

1506
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: To the moon.

1507
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: And I went to the end of coriols Wealllt's career

1508
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 2: being like, maybe you can do it. He went that

1509
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: little stint with the giants in the minor leagues after

1510
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: the Mets got rid of him, and I was like,

1511
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, sing ninety seven again, maybe could really happen,

1512
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: but never got that chance.

1513
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: He's terrible. He was terrible. He was awful.

1514
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: He's one of the statistically might be the worst picture

1515
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: in the history of the New York Mets. It's a

1516
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: disaster how bad this guy was.

1517
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: This guy will be part of the reason why this

1518
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: podcast exists, because just me and you talking about Corio's

1519
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: weall for hours in our in our living room during

1520
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: COVID was probably part of the reason behind creating a podcast,

1521
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: like we should record this stuff and put it out

1522
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: there for the Internet so you can hear our takes.

1523
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: Corio's Waltz stinks. He stinks. He like I could not

1524
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: watch him pitch you'd be on TV. I'm like, I

1525
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: gotta get out of the room. I cannot watch this guy.

1526
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm moving him on. I don't really care about wants him.

1527
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, coriol was the next round. Now, the last

1528
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: matchup here of the first round. The moment you guys

1529
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: have all been waiting for Bobby Bonia versus Jacob Rahim.

1530
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: This banger. This one's a banger.

1531
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 2: It also hits a little close to home because Bobby

1532
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 2: Bonia is very famous as being this like hilarious disasterus

1533
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: met and where you actually look at what he did

1534
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: with the Mets and it really wasn't that bad.

1535
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like in terms of like being a Met,

1536
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: he hated being a Met. It seemed like he didn't

1537
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: want to be there. He had all these issues with

1538
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: like his uh you know, just kind of whole ego.

1539
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: He's a bit of a little bit of an ego

1540
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: on him. But he actually played well.

1541
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was also from the Bronx, A good

1542
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: chance he was. He just didn't like the Mets. But

1543
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three one of the worst seasons the Mets

1544
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 2: have literally ever had, the worst team money could buy.

1545
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: Guy was an All Star.

1546
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 2: He had thirty four homers, two seventy He was as

1547
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: good as he possibly could have been for a team

1548
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: that was that bad. But infamously, with his big contract,

1549
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: the Mets wanting and needing to buy him out, they

1550
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: decided to stretch it out and give him a million

1551
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: every year for about twenty five thirty straight years, on

1552
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 2: apparently the order of his wife, because Bonia has apparently

1553
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 2: not been the smartest with money of the course of

1554
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: his life. So one of the greatest contracts ever signed.

1555
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: And every single June we all get to celebrate Bobby

1556
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: Bonia Day together. But I don't know if that compares

1557
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,479
Speaker 2: to Jacob Rame per se.

1558
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Bonia had that awful ninety nine with

1559
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: the Mets where he came back, which is also crazy

1560
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: when he came back, but he was horrible. That's as

1561
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: a thirty six year old. That's I think also what

1562
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: skews what people remember about Bonia, because like you said,

1563
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: he actually was good in the first stint. He was

1564
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: actually a really good player. Jacob Bram, on the other hand,

1565
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: was never good with the Mets, didn't even I don't think,

1566
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: have one good appearance. Necessarily, he was a part of

1567
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: the Curtis Grander trade. He was a player to be

1568
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: named later from the Dodgers. One of the few rare

1569
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: times you get a player from the Dodgers and they stink.

1570
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: You know, teams like the Astros get your on Alvarez,

1571
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: the Mets get fucking Jacob Rame. I mean, could that

1572
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: have even been the same year that they were traded.

1573
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:14,959
Speaker 1: I don't even want to actually look at him because

1574
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: that would hurt me. But Jacob bram in forty seven

1575
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: innings as a reliever with the Mets, which is about

1576
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: forty six too many. I could have given him an

1577
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: inning and two thirds. He had a six two point

1578
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: two to three era. He gave up fifty three hits,

1579
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: thirty three earned runs, eleven home runs, twenty four walks,

1580
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: and he only struck out forty So we had like

1581
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: a k rate of like eighteen percent. With the Mets.

1582
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: He walked thirty percent of the batters he faced in

1583
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and six innings. Like he was just he

1584
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: was a guy who legitimately gave me stomach aches when

1585
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 1: he'd come out on the mound.

1586
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: The most unbelievable thing about Jacob Rame is that right now,

1587
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 2: at the second he is only thirty years old.

1588
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: No way, he's hurty. He's thirty right now, he's Ernie's age. Yes,

1589
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: he's Ernie's age. Whoa, that's crazy to think ten months older.

1590
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: But I just I think I think Bonia is too

1591
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 2: much of a of a meme not to put on.

1592
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: But again, want to stress statistically with the Mets, he

1593
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: was he was like a joke, but he wasn't really

1594
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: that bad on the field.

1595
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: So your votes, Bonilla, huh it technically is yeah, my

1596
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: votes Jacob brains. So I think what we're gonna do,

1597
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: I'll give you ram just to piss off the people. Okay, yeah,

1598
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: give me Ram. I was gonna I was gonna flip

1599
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: a coin. I was gonna let the coin decide. All right,

1600
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: we'll move on Rain. Then good, Jacob Braim onto the

1601
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: next round. Now we're onto the next rounds here, so

1602
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: we're not gonna dive too deep into these players because

1603
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: you've heard of it. Let's get started here at the top.

1604
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: We've got a banger between the second basement, Robinson Cano

1605
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: and Roberto Alomar. Uh. Pick a guy, and just give

1606
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:39,959
Speaker 1: me one reason why you think he's.

1607
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: The one who should move on Cano, because it was

1608
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: it was stupid there at the time.

1609
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to lean towards Cano too. Probably actually

1610
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: played better than Alamar, but the steroid suspension.

1611
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least were moneying off some some good stuff too.

1612
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: But Cano is I just I'll I'll never forget the

1613
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: Cano is such a bad met. He so embarrassing that

1614
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,919
Speaker 2: if you guys follow the stup Twitter metsdup. I've been

1615
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: trying to do a stupid bit where I'm posting like

1616
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 2: a bad met from history with this many days until

1617
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: spring training, because all the other outlets are like, oh

1618
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 2: my god, thirty one days is still spring training with

1619
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: picture of Mike Piazza. So I post a picture of

1620
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 2: Robbie Canoe over the weekend twenty four days still spring training.

1621
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: And Twitter put the sensitive image thing on it. I

1622
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: didn't even do that myself. They said, this image is graphic,

1623
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: let me know if you want to see it, and

1624
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: you click as a picture of Robinson Cano in a

1625
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: Mets jersey. That was kind of funny, but yeah, yeah,

1626
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: it's Cano for sure, just just one of the worst

1627
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,959
Speaker 1: players and he was keeping good players out. So Robinson Cano,

1628
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: you are moving on to the next round. Next up,

1629
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: we have Gary Matthews Junior, versus Vince Coleman. Honestly, I

1630
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: think this one's kind of easy. I don't think there's

1631
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion. It has to be Vince Coleman.

1632
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: It has to be Vince Coleman, especially knowing that he

1633
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: was throwing fireworks and children multiple felony charge as well

1634
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: as a member of the Mets is bad like Gary

1635
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: Matthews Junior makes it on here is a more personal

1636
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: thing of remembering how bad he was. But Vince Coleman

1637
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: like hurt a generation of Mets fans. Yes, now, next

1638
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: up we have who do we move on with this? Sedaniel? Yep,

1639
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: We've got Danio going up against Paul Sewald. Oh wow,

1640
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: this this is actually a tough one. I'm gonna let

1641
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: you make your pick first. Ah. I don't know where

1642
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm going here.

1643
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: I think so much about what's going on in the

1644
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 2: last five years, Paul Seawald becoming legitimately one of the

1645
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 2: best relievers in baseball, and how much he still hates

1646
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: the Mets and our fans.

1647
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: And again, no, no, no.

1648
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: Ill will towards him because he was just misused and

1649
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 2: he found a way to development. He turned himself into

1650
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: a good Major leaguer if he looks like it could

1651
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 2: be for a pretty long time. But as a met

1652
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: again one in fourteen and one hundred and fifty innings,

1653
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 2: you can't get you can't get worse than that.

1654
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: This is the worst Mets ever. He's one of the

1655
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: worst Mets ever. Yeah, I hate Sadanio, but Sadaniel had

1656
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: one year that was good. Paul Sewald had maybe six

1657
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: innings that were good, So I'm not gonna move him on.

1658
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: And he's such a little piece of shit too, waven

1659
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: goodbye to the fans when he wins. But whatever, al Right,

1660
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: next up this this is tough heart Jason Bay first,

1661
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: kas Matt Sui, I mean my heart. My heart immediately

1662
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: goes to kas Matt Suiy. I'm gonna say it. My

1663
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: heart immediately goes there because does it? Does it? Is? It?

1664
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: Just were we just stupid for thinking he was gonna

1665
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: be this good. But also the numbers he put up

1666
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: were insane, but Jason Bay did in the majors.

1667
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 2: Both of them felt like it couldn't really miss because

1668
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: kas was so good in the Japanese League and this

1669
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: was like not very long ever. Each row like this

1670
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: was like everyone was trying to you know, get it

1671
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: going then, but by like looking back, you're like, wow,

1672
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: we were dumb like that that that left field just

1673
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: swallowed them up, especially after we watched what happened to

1674
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: David right the year before, Like why did we get

1675
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 2: a righty bat who has like fringe power instead of

1676
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: real power?

1677
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: Like why was this the plan? Why'd we do this?

1678
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: And I don't know, he got hurt, felt bad, but

1679
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,959
Speaker 1: it just Jason Bay.

1680
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: Jason Bay was so bad and I think he just

1681
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 2: has to be Jason Bay. Jason Bay was the face,

1682
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: the face of this tweet that went out, So I

1683
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: just I think it just has to be Jason Bay.

1684
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I think you're right. I think asked to be

1685
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: Jason Bay. It has to be Jason Bay. Moving on

1686
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: to the right side of the bracket here, Oh, we've

1687
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: got the tough one, Tom Glavin for Starren Ruff. I'm

1688
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: going Darren Ruff. Tom Glavin hurt us more in a

1689
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: specific moment, but Darren Ruff genuinely put up one of

1690
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: the worst stretches in baseball history.

1691
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Glavin was too good volume wise to not to

1692
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 2: be considered this bad, I guess.

1693
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: So just yeah, moving on, Darren Ruff, moving on Darren Ruff.

1694
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: He's moving on to the next round. It's gonna be

1695
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,959
Speaker 1: going up against a tough target. We know it's gonna

1696
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: be Jed Lowry, right, we don't even have to It's

1697
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: Jedd Lowry. It's Jed Lowry all day. Not even over Victors, Yes,

1698
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: over Victor zam Brono. Next up, we've got Hilman versus

1699
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: Jim Fragozi. Again, I think this one feels similar. I

1700
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: understand the old heads might be feeling more Jim Fergozi,

1701
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: but Aaron Heilman ruined my childhood. So even the old

1702
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: heads saw the two thousand and six NLC. Yes, that's true.

1703
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: I hope they stuck around. Maybe Jim Fergozi was the

1704
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: last time they rooted for the Mets. You don't know.

1705
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm done. And now the last matchup of the Sweet sixteen,

1706
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: we have battle of the two of the worst pitchers

1707
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: that we've seen last ten years of the mess, Corioles

1708
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: ll versus Jacob Brahim and I just I think has

1709
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: he was as bad and pitched more? Yeah? I was.

1710
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to put Jacob Raim on

1711
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: because I think but like whatever, Corio's well, pitch more

1712
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: innings of bad baseball, So it's gotta be Corio as well.

1713
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: He just genuinely hurt the team more than Jacob Braime

1714
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: ever even could have tried to hurt this team, not

1715
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: even possible. So we've got a hot hot elite eight

1716
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: coming in here. We've got Robinson Cano versus Vince Coleman.

1717
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: Who do you got, James Again?

1718
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 2: This is one where I feel like if we were

1719
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 2: of age in the nineties, when all is Vince Coleman

1720
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 2: shit was happening, we would have been like, this is

1721
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 2: this is like one of the worst Mets of all time.

1722
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 2: And I really still think that as bad as Cano was,

1723
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 2: and as much as he jogged a first base and

1724
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 2: didn't really care try and got injured and then and

1725
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 2: then didn't play hard and then hit for a little

1726
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 2: bit and got injured again, and then just finally just

1727
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 2: walked away silently into the night in twenty twenty two, thankfully,

1728
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 2: Like it just seems like there was too much that

1729
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 2: Vince Coleman was doing where he could be consided he

1730
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 2: he just might be the worst acquisition the history of

1731
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 2: the team. And then, and that's even considering the Mets

1732
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: gave up their top prospect to pay seventy million to

1733
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 2: thirty seven year old Robinson Cano. Yeah, Vince Coleman had

1734
01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 2: about forty forty five fifty extra basits in his career

1735
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 2: with the Mets. Robinson Cano had like twenty five home

1736
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: runs or almost had fifty extra base hits in one season.

1737
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 2: As much as I hate Robbie, I think we got

1738
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: to move on Vince Coleman. And again, all Ko did

1739
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 2: with the Mets off the field was just like be

1740
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: kind of yeah, cheat, like be a little shit heead

1741
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 2: and then get suspended again, where Vince Coleman again was

1742
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:18,560
Speaker 2: facing multiple felonies.

1743
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bad and also played poorly. Wasn't a

1744
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: good player. So Vince Coleman moving on Paul sea Wald first,

1745
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: Chason Bay. Oh wow, there's a right answer. There's a

1746
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: wrong answer, but there's also well I could see both

1747
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: sides here. This is funny because I feel like these

1748
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: two almost like look a little similar. They both kind

1749
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: of the same same build. All Sea Wall could be Canadian.

1750
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: They both reminded me of the Pacific Northwest a little bit.

1751
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: This is tough. They both played for the Mariners. Both

1752
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: played for the Mariners. I think it has to be

1753
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: Jason Bay.

1754
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 2: Right, I'm saying that closing my eyes can really trying

1755
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 2: to rack my brain find a way to put Paul

1756
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 2: sea Wald in the Final four.

1757
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: But Jason Bay me, it's kind of the Vince Coleman pick. Yeah.

1758
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: Like Paul sywall genuinely sucked, but at the end of

1759
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: the day, he was a reliever who came in low

1760
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: leverage situations and was bad. Jason Bay was brought in

1761
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 1: to be the guy and couldn't even be the seventh

1762
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: eighth best guy on the team.

1763
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 2: He was bad, that bad and again got injured. The

1764
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 2: stadium was a disaster at the time, but it was

1765
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 2: there was nothing that could be done there.

1766
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: It was terrible. Again the acquisition costs he made seventy million.

1767
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: Paul sy wald in was free.

1768
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason Bay and again Paul sy Wald Like he

1769
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 2: still went on to have a great career like Jason Bay,

1770
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: but that was we killed him.

1771
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: We killed him, Jason Bay. Moving on to the Final four.

1772
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: Next up, we have got Darren ruff Firs Jed Lowry,

1773
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: two guys who played such a few amount of games,

1774
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:45,919
Speaker 1: but they were legendarily bad. My vote is Jed Lowry

1775
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: simply because he didn't even get a hit with the team.

1776
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 1: He didn't even play an inning in the field. That's

1777
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: that's unmatched for a guy who got twenty million dollars.

1778
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: And you know what, it wasn't even his fault. He

1779
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: got hurt. Whatever was going on that was weird with

1780
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: those phantom injuries.

1781
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it was the was the Mets

1782
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 2: didn't allow him to get his surgery, because yeah, that

1783
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: was always the story around Jed Lowry, so he wanted

1784
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 2: to get an operation.

1785
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, you gotta chary and rehabit play.

1786
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: But still, like I, it just has to be him again.

1787
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: I feel for Jed Lowry because he could have been

1788
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: a good player. He was a good player, He was

1789
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: a okay player. After we're just looking at this in

1790
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: the lens of while you were a Met, and while

1791
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: Jed Lowry was a Met. Statistically, you could not have

1792
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 1: gotten anywhorse. Couldn't. Even Darren Roff had a few hits.

1793
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,879
Speaker 1: Jed Larry had none. Jed Lowry had a negative sixty

1794
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: one ops plus. That's the same thing as WRC plus

1795
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: For you guys at home, Essentially, someone could have not

1796
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: you could have put up nobody you could have put

1797
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: up a ghost to hit and they would probably have

1798
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: done a better job than Jed Lowry. So with that's

1799
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: sayings you could have looked at every pitch and done

1800
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: significantly better than Jed lay Yes, yeah, one hundred percent

1801
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: of me. Or you could have hit like that. There's

1802
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: no world where we couldn't have a negative sixty one

1803
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,799
Speaker 1: ops plus with the New York Mets. So Jed Lowry

1804
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: moving on, and then we've got the matchup of just

1805
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: awful pitchers Aaron Hilman and Corey Oswalt. I'm gonna say

1806
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: something crazy, Eileen Correoswall.

1807
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: I definitely don't. I think it has to be Heilman

1808
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: because you have to consider what happened in the most

1809
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 2: important situations. If Corioswall, yeah, hitching the playoff series and

1810
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 2: and gave up and gave up all these runs, I

1811
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 2: would tell you yes. But the fact that Heilman Coriolwal's

1812
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 2: probably like statistically one of the worst players in history

1813
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 2: of the Mets. But similar to some other guys we've

1814
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: talked about, just if the lights were never on, he

1815
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: was never a prospect like it was. Yeah, he was

1816
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 2: in the middle of some weird Mets seasons got endings

1817
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 2: because of how bad the roster was and then just

1818
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 2: didn't couldn't really catch it on it. But Aaron Heilman

1819
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: was a guy who, like if he would have hit,

1820
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: like even the fiftieth percentile of his outcomes, the Mets

1821
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: have a ring to show for it, if not too,

1822
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 2: and that he didn't deliver, and he'll I'll remember him

1823
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: forever because of that.

1824
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a big part of the two thousand

1825
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: and eight collapse as well. Yes, yeah, oh you know what,

1826
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: I don't care. Let's just move Heilman on. I hate him,

1827
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: so let's move him on. And I got no questions

1828
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: to ask. I feel good about that. We are now

1829
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: into the final four, which consists of Vince Coleman, Jed Lowry,

1830
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: Jason Bay, and Aaron Hilman. First match with Vince Coleman,

1831
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: Jason Bay, Who's moving on to the finals. In your opinion,

1832
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: James one sentence, what is it?

1833
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 2: It has to be Jason Bay because he affected my

1834
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 2: life more like he Vince Coleman was generationally bad, but

1835
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 2: those Mets teams seemed like a mess with or without him,

1836
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 2: whereas Jason Bay, again, those teams also were a mess.

1837
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: With or without Jason Bay.

1838
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 2: But the fact that this was just there's the worst

1839
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 2: contract we've seen given out as Mets fans, like maybe

1840
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 2: if we had more frame of reference, our listeners were a.

1841
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: Little bit older, but this is like, this is this

1842
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 1: is Jason Bay. Like Jason Bay, I'll go I'll go

1843
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 1: to my grave, being like that was the worst contract

1844
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: the Mets hopefully ever gave out. Yeah, I can get

1845
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: behind Jason Bay. Two. It really kind of cemented I

1846
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: think the Lowell Mets, the beginning of Lull Mets of like, wow,

1847
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 1: you signed a stud MVP Calber player and he literally

1848
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: forgot how to play baseball. So Jason Bay is moving

1849
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: onto the finals. Who will he be facing, Jed Lowry

1850
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: or Aaron Hilman. My vote's Jed Lowry. It's impossible to

1851
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: not pick this guy. He didn't get a hit in

1852
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: two seasons. He didn't play the field. I hate Aaron Heilman,

1853
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: but literally Jed Lowry had the most minimum impact ever.

1854
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: It was so it was so little that he hurt

1855
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: the team. It wasn't literally hurt the team. He just

1856
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: hurt the team because they just gave him this money

1857
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: and then nothing else could be done after that, where again,

1858
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: like I keep saying it, like Hilman, like he like

1859
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: he oh god, damn six. He wasn't even bad that

1860
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: season two thousand and seven, the same thing. He was

1861
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: actually good those two years in relief. But he I

1862
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: don't know, he he. That was the moment where like

1863
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: it all was put in perspective like there's gonna be

1864
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 1: a life of turmoil and trouble. That's I think that's

1865
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: the difference though, between like least favorite met ever, because

1866
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: I think he'd be up there and worst met. Jed

1867
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: Lowry genuinely is just statistically possibly the worst met ever. Yeah,

1868
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a disservice to not have

1869
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 1: him in the finals. Aaron Heilman had two regular seasons

1870
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: where he was good. I don't make I hate you're

1871
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: making me defend this guy, but I gotta have my boy,

1872
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: Jed Lowry. If you want to leave it up to

1873
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: the coin, we can leave it up to the coin.

1874
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: I'm down for Lowry because what you're saying is true,

1875
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: Like he's Hilman is probably my least favorite met ever,

1876
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: but Lowry statistically it gains he is like the worst.

1877
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: He's worst me every I ever got a hit, and

1878
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 1: that brings us to a banger in the championship, probably

1879
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: one that we could have forecasted from the beginning. Here

1880
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 1: the worst met of all time, Jason Bay versus Jed Lowry, Mark,

1881
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: where is your lean man? This one's tough, this one's

1882
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:18,879
Speaker 1: really really hard. My brain, my brain says Jed Lowry,

1883
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: My heart says Jason Bay. Cause again, Jay Lowry didn't

1884
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: literally didn't do a single thing. Jason Bay just kind

1885
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: of ruined little little Mark's brain a little bit, kind

1886
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: of fucked it up a bit of like, oh, negative

1887
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: things can happen, like getting beat down with the Cardinals

1888
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: playoff stuff, like that's still stunk. But like you lose games.

1889
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: Sometimes we signed what was supposed to be, Like in

1890
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: my head, like when we got Carlos Beltron, when we

1891
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: got Johann Santana, those caliber players, and he just wasn't that.

1892
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 2: I think I'm going Jason Bay. I'm also ready to

1893
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: go Jason Bay. Like my instinct this from the beginning

1894
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 2: was just it's just a Jason Bay. And like that's

1895
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 2: the moment we were becoming some of the adults here,

1896
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 2: like things were starting to change in our lives, we're

1897
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 2: going to high school, like we're trying to a little

1898
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 2: bit more about the world, this and that, and then

1899
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 2: he just it was there was never a moment where

1900
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 2: he was even any good. Like I guess sucks he

1901
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 2: got can cause we didn't really know enough back concussions then.

1902
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: But he was bad the whole time for so much money,

1903
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 2: and he was supposed to kind of be saving David

1904
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 2: right in a way after that back two thousand and nine,

1905
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 2: like get him back, and like the butterfly effect of

1906
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: the Jason Bay contract probably goes goes, he goes far

1907
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: beyond our imagination. I think just he has to be

1908
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 2: the name, the face and the brand behind the worst

1909
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 2: met of all time.

1910
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: Honestly, probably scared the will Ponds a little bit from

1911
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 1: spending money again too.

1912
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 2: Probably did the money that whole concept that they said

1913
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Speaker 2: when uh when Brez Harp brand, Madame Challder free agents,

1914
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Speaker 2: Hey we already have a thirty minute our player.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to, we don't need to. Who has

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Speaker 1: two where it's.

1917
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Speaker 2: Like this, This probably screwed up the next like ten

1918
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Speaker 2: years of Mets free agency in a way.

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Speaker 1: So Jason Bay, I'm sure you're a really nice guy,

1920
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Speaker 1: but you have gone down, according to the Mets the

1921
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Speaker 1: podcast as the worst New York met of all time. Guys,

1922
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Speaker 1: thank you for listening, Thank you for watching this episode.

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Speaker 1: If you want to see a version of this you

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Speaker 1: want to fill it out yourself. I'll leave a link

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Speaker 1: in the description on both Spotify, Apple Podcasts and the

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel if you want to see that. Before we

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Speaker 1: do sign off here, do we have the Hall of

1928
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Speaker 1: Fame announcements? Do we know who made it? Check? Right now?

1929
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Speaker 1: I think what I'm seeing is that Sheffield missed it. Okay,

1930
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Speaker 1: that would be expense to be the big news is

1931
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Speaker 1: that two big things. One sucks. Billy Wagner missed it

1932
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Speaker 1: by five votes, Oh my god.

1933
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Speaker 2: Really that he has one more year in the ballot,

1934
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Speaker 2: so hopefully just one more year of campaigning. I put

1935
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Speaker 2: out a tweet today like we tweeted from messed up, Like,

1936
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Speaker 2: I really just think that if if you're a voted

1937
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Speaker 2: for the Hall of Fame and you don't think that

1938
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 2: Billy Wagner has a case, I think we're gonna struggle

1939
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Speaker 2: to find a way to put relievers in the Hall

1940
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 2: of Fame moving forward, and as big as the baseball

1941
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: changes believers are coming as big a part of the

1942
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 2: game as most other positions are. They get more important

1943
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: every single year's pictures. Roles change and evolve. And the

1944
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Speaker 2: fact that Billy Wagner in this generation, no one could

1945
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Speaker 2: really touch him besides Mariano River in terms of effectiveness,

1946
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Speaker 2: and now this new generation kimberl and Kenley Jansen, he

1947
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Speaker 2: you can't. He's one of the best relievers ever. And

1948
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Speaker 2: if he can't get in the Hall of Fame, I

1949
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Speaker 2: don't know which reliever does.

1950
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be tough. We see that the three

1951
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Speaker 1: guys have been put in. Adrian Beltra of course makes sense.

1952
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: Todd Helton shout out, Todd Helton deserved to be in there.

1953
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Speaker 1: Glad he got in, and Joe Mauer first ballot Hall

1954
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Speaker 1: of Famer, But that to me is shocking. Congratulations to him.

1955
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Speaker 1: I don't want to take anything away from it. Shouldn't

1956
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Speaker 1: have gotten my vote, especially on the first time. But

1957
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Speaker 1: it also doesn't matter what I think congratulating. He should

1958
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Speaker 1: be happy, you should be excited. He was a borderline guy.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'll say. Like, I think you could go

1960
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Speaker 1: either way. But it is crazy to me that he

1961
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Speaker 1: gets first ballot Hall of Fame, and I got like

1962
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Speaker 1: Mike Piazza did not. I think that's where the Hall

1963
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Speaker 1: of Fame gets a little fucked.

1964
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Speaker 2: Up totally and again because that's because Mauer never had

1965
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Speaker 2: the stench of steroids. He also only hit more than

1966
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Speaker 2: thirteen home runs once his entire career. He just the

1967
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Speaker 2: fact that I think he was like such a heralded

1968
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Speaker 2: prospect from Minnesota, that he was football and basketball as well.

1969
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Speaker 1: He was likely mister athlete.

1970
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Speaker 2: Yeah, then right to the Twins had the MVP season

1971
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Speaker 2: with them, Like did put together a pretty nice prime,

1972
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Speaker 2: but it's just like he's being evaluated as a catcher

1973
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Speaker 2: up they played more games of first and catcher in

1974
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Speaker 2: his career.

1975
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Speaker 1: Again, only hit more than thirteen home runs once. And

1976
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Speaker 1: now you're at twenty eight.

1977
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Speaker 2: But the seasons around the twentye home run season, it

1978
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Speaker 2: was seven to nine, twenty eight, nine, three, ten, like

1979
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Speaker 2: it just it wasn't. Again, a lot of that was injuries,

1980
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Speaker 2: it was especially but he also most of his career

1981
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Speaker 2: is playing least hundred thirty games a year as es caecually.

1982
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Speaker 2: I it was the thing that pisses me off the

1983
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Speaker 2: most about the Hall of Fame is just the irregularly

1984
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Speaker 2: of it. The fact that the guy like Joe Maher

1985
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Speaker 2: gets in first ballot, like Dave Lortiz gets in on

1986
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Speaker 2: first ballot, and guys like Todd Helton and even guy

1987
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Speaker 2: like Jeff Bagwell and especially like let's say call a

1988
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Speaker 2: space bade here, like a lot of these players are

1989
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Speaker 2: connected the sterois. Again, I'm talking about Dave Lortiz right now,

1990
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Speaker 2: but guys like al Tredriguez, Men Ramirez, Sami Sosa, Tama,

1991
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Speaker 2: Barry Bonds did not even get close.

1992
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Speaker 1: And I just that part of it. I can never understand.

1993
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Speaker 2: These writers are totally subjective and it's there like this

1994
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Speaker 2: is their way to just to just like give themselves

1995
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Speaker 2: their ego stroke every single year. Never forget Tom Ducci

1996
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Speaker 2: cutting the leather and like making that beautiful video about

1997
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Speaker 2: voting for the Hall of Fame. But the inconsistency irregularly

1998
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Speaker 2: of these voters pisses me off every single year. Again,

1999
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Speaker 2: like Billy Wagner was, he didn't have he didn't have

2000
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Speaker 2: to playoff accolades.

2001
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Speaker 1: Mario naver I'm not comparing Mario Navera.

2002
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Speaker 2: The fact that Mario Rivera got in unanimously, unanimously and

2003
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Speaker 2: Billy Wagner ain't the other ballot, can't find the votes.

2004
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Speaker 1: It's it's it's blinding to me. It's bonkers. It's absolutely crazy. Billy.

2005
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Speaker 1: I think we'll get in next year. Hopefully he does.

2006
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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get him on the podcast. We can talk

2007
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Speaker 1: to him about it. I would love to. We spoke

2008
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Speaker 1: to him at Old Timers Day, so hopefully he remembers

2009
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Speaker 1: that conversation. But that's it for this episode the Messed

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Speaker 1: Up Podcast. Thank you guys for one more, And David

2011
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Speaker 1: Rey got the votes to stay on the ballot. Oh nice,

2012
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Speaker 1: Good for David.

2013
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Speaker 2: Right, and apparently as Fine sand reports, close you guys

2014
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Speaker 2: for this. The mets are connected with Ryan Stanek, so

2015
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Speaker 2: that would be a big signing for the Mess Up Podcast.

2016
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Speaker 2: That would prove that David Starts is listening in.

2017
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent, because there's been no rumors anywhere, so

2018
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Speaker 1: it's just been James Giano pushing this standic train along.

2019
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Speaker 1: Here's the third time outro. Thank you guys for listening,

2020
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Speaker 1: Thank you for watching. Follow us on our social media

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2022
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Speaker 1: Google Play. Whatever it is we really do appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Follow James on Twitter at James Underscore Giano and me

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Speaker 1: listening and watching, and we'll catch you on the next

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Speaker 1: episode the Messed Up Podcast. Peace Out, peace out. See

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Speaker 1: you guys next time, then Lo