1 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Is what's going on, y'all. 2 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: This has been another episode of the Beatdown Podcast, Week 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 2: fourteen edition. 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: I am your host Senior. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: After watching The Commander's Zach Selby and by now you 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: already know the Commanders suffered a heartbreaking loss to the 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: Denver Broncos twenty seven to twenty six. Looks much better 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: than they have in previous weeks. Continued some of their 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: improvements they made against the Miami Dolphins, and they were 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: one play away from upsetting the best team in the AFC, 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: acording to some people. Jeremy McNichols wide open in the flat, 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: Nickle Needo comes in and swashed the ball away from 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota and the game ends in overtime. But I 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: think Diek you said it in the episode of Hard Knocks, 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: which you haven't watched. You should check it out on HBO. 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: He said during during his postcan speech. We lost, but 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: we're not lost anymore. And I think that's pretty pretty 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: good way to sum up how that game turned out 19 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: for them. And this week they're playing the Minnesota Vikings, 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 2: who are a much more even opponent to pretty even 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: fight if you just look at the headhead and some 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: other stats there. They're also struggling going through and through 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: their own losing streak. 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: And maybe J J. 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: Ncarthill we will be back. Maybe Jay and Daniels will 26 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: be back. We're not really sure yet, but we'll we 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: will see. And with me to discuss how the commanders 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: are going to pull off and when and break their 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: losing streak will be two returning guests. 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: We have Lee and Griffin from the. 31 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: Washington Time say hailium hi, and we have John Brannon 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: from WUSA nine Color and say hi Hello. We are 33 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: in a very intimate setting right now. This is where 34 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: we're an undisclosed location. We are in the just shoved 35 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: a way of some corner end the facility at the 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: Big Bear AI for Foreign Center. But you know we're 37 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: gonna soldier on. We're gonna power through this podcast. We're 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: gonna get done. We're gonna form you people because that's 39 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: what we're here for. And as you all know, you 40 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: got you guys know min out. I'm not gonna give 41 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: you the full spiel here, questions, answers, points, winners, loses, 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: I get decide the winner, but you should always be 43 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: more focused on what these two people have to say 44 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: about the matchup because they are the start of the 45 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: show for this for this week, and with that, we're 46 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: gonna get right into it as a pull up the 47 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: questions that I definitely remember that from yesterday. 48 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 3: This is the first time you're gonna have to look 49 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: me in the face when you try not to work, 50 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 3: you know. 51 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 2: So I've done this, like I think this would be 52 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: the third or fourth in person podcast I've had to 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: I've had to do, and it's always awkward because at 54 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: the end, because I have to choose when they're both 55 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: like looking at me in the face as I do. 56 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: It, and I'm like, oh, that's I don't know how 57 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: I feel about that. 58 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 2: That's that is the pro and con, as they say, 59 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: of doing in person podcast. But that's okay, We're okay. 60 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: And here's the first question here. And I think, you know, 61 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: justin Jefferson, I think is the biggest weapon that that 62 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 2: the Vikings have been a little bit a weird year 63 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: for him, as i'd say, but he's still their number 64 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: one targets, still leading their leading their team with seven 65 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety nine receiving yards, and he's a guy, 66 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: he's a guy who can definitely hurt them their offensive 67 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: struggles pretty much across the board in a lot of metrics, 68 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: probably because they've been having so many injuries. As the quarterback, 69 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: you know a a little bit about injuries there out 70 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: for an offense, But yes, Justin Jefferson is a player 71 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: who can hurt them and their secondary even though they've 72 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: been playing a little bit better. And I'm just curious, like, yes, 73 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: this this committeer's defense has performed a little bit better. 74 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: I think they kept some of them even though the 75 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: stats look better for the Broncos. They kept some things 76 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: in check for them. But how do they contain arguably 77 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: best receiver football? Definitely at least top three or four. 78 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: So Lee will start with you give your thoughts on that. 79 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, the good news is I think the biggest limiting 80 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: factor possible for Justin Jefferson is the quarterbacks throwing to football. 81 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: The inconsistency there has been really extreme. And I know, 82 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: like receivers around the league get a lot of flak 83 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: for being divas, I don't really think Justin Jefferson is 84 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: one of them. But you can tell that he is 85 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: doing his best out there, and the quarterbacks just are 86 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: not able to find any kind of rhythm or any 87 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: kind of efficiency. When you look at completion percentage, all 88 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: three of the quarterbacks they've used this season have been 89 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 3: below the league average. They just haven't been able to 90 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: feed him the ball downfield. They haven't been able to 91 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: get him in any kind of space. And so this 92 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 3: Washington secondary, yeah, they've still got injuries. 93 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 4: Marshall Ladimore, Traemosacon for the season. 94 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,559 Speaker 3: So you're not going to have you know, Marshaan following 95 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: around the field. You're probably going to see a lot 96 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: more of that cover three zone that Dan Quinn became 97 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: so famous for. But at the same time, I don't 98 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: think they're going to say, all right, quarterbacks, you know 99 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: you're gonna limit justin Jefferson. I think you're going to 100 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: see more of all right, front seven, get to those quarterbacks, 101 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: don't give them any time. They are not used to 102 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: kind of facing a lot of NFL pressure. Both of 103 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: their quarterbacks. I think they've started a combined like eight 104 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 3: games in the NFL between the two of them. So 105 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 3: whichever one of them ends up being, you can feel 106 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 3: kind of confident in saying, all right, maybe we're not 107 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: going to are the most exotic looks that like Brian 108 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: Fores might, but we're going to be sound in our scheme. 109 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: We're going to do what we're comfortable doing, and we're 110 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: going to try to make these inexperienced quarterbacks beat us. 111 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: So you toast, you test on a lot of things 112 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: that I really want I want to want to dive 113 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: in here in a little bit. You you mentioned, you know, 114 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 2: the quarterback stuff that's a big deal. I mean, you 115 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: mentioned the fun of the front seven and bringing pressure. 116 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: I think their thirtieth in sacks allowed so far, I mean, 117 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: and also like this, this this offense is giving it the. 118 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: Ball more than almost any team in the league. 119 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: Like they're they're definitely last on the turnover margin, and 120 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: you mentioned the zone stuff with definitely want to talk 121 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: talk touch on next, but John, I want to get 122 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: your thoughts first. I'm justin Jefferson, how your your assessments 123 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: and how the commander can stop it? 124 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 3: Right? 125 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 5: Well, I agree with you. I think he is. 126 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 6: He'd be my top receive you in a NFL fantasy draft. 127 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 5: That is my top top receiver. 128 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 6: I think he is so good and is, as you said, Liam, 129 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 6: not a diva dealt with so many different quarterbacks, including 130 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 6: this season, and I don't know maybe the best option 131 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 6: for him this season was Carson. 132 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 3: J. 133 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 5: McCarthy. 134 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 6: Obviously, they're they're high on him getting rid of Sam Darnold, 135 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 6: who let him know what fifteen wins last year, so 136 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 6: he's learning struggling. I agree, it's just got to be 137 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 6: like the past rush. I would love to see a 138 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 6: big game. I have been super impressed with Jacob Martin 139 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 6: since he's been getting more and more chances. But I 140 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 6: think the more you make any of those guys feel 141 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 6: uncomfortable back there, you know, bad throws, bad. 142 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 5: Decisions are going to happen. 143 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 6: And I don't care who your receiver is if you 144 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 6: don't get him the ball and you have a secondary 145 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 6: that's playing better, especially with Wi Harris coming back, Like, 146 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 6: I think that this needs to be a game where 147 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 6: you make whoever is back there uncomfortable. 148 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I definitely, I definitely do like Jacob Martin, 149 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: and I think, you know, it's crazy to think that 150 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: dorns Ar Trunk still leaves this team with five and 151 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: a half sacks, and and then there there's obviously factors 152 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: that go into that, right you know, I mean, you 153 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: lose Armstrong, you lose Jean Baptiste, you lose Dietrich wise, like, 154 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: I mean that there defn's been in depth, which was 155 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: such a strength for them in the office it is 156 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: now I wouldn't say liability, but like you just you 157 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: just know it is what it is. Like as the 158 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: case with a lot of stuff about this team, let's 159 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: expand here still talking to like generally about containing Jefferson, 160 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: but also branching out some things that both of you 161 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: guys mentioned, and you mentioned the zone stuff, Liam and 162 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: as prior to DQ taking over, this was one of 163 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: the heaviest man covered teams in the league. Now they're 164 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: of the last two weeks, they've been playing more zone 165 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: and it seems. 166 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: To be more effective against them. 167 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, like i'd be curious to know, 168 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: like how effective Justin Jefferson is going to be against 169 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: the zone because he does have a lot of rare 170 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: athletic traits that not all these people have, especially with 171 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: the corner position too, Like you have Amos out, you 172 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: have Latimore out, and I guess like in terms of 173 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: the zone coverage and how these people are gonna be 174 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: able to contain Justin Jefferson because it's like it's gonna 175 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: be a group referencer gonna be doing zone, but like, 176 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: how do you feel corner specifically with like Sam Rustill 177 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: out there a monogamy like Jonathan Jones, Like how do 178 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: you feel about that group being able to match up 179 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: against him? 180 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: Exactly? 181 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: Like you mentioned, like that zone coverage makes it kind 182 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: of a it takes a village to contain to Justin 183 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: Jefferson sure, Whereas you have Latimore that's one of those 184 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: guys who at his best can be one of those 185 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: shut down corners around the league. Mike sam Ristill, Jonathan 186 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: Jones into egnogamy are strong corners who have really come 187 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: a long throat the season despite some struggles. But I 188 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: don't think you feel comfortable matching them up one on one. 189 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: That's not gonna be any of their strengths. Whereas when 190 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: you're playing that zone, it allows them to play to 191 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 3: what they're comfortable in and to really attack the ball, 192 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: so they're able to communicate well, they're able to read 193 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: the quarterback's eyes, and they're able to jump on the ball. 194 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 3: Mike Samrustol hasn't had the same kind of caliber season 195 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 3: he had as a rookie, but what you've seen from 196 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: him is he's been able to force some takeaways, and 197 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 3: dan Quinn said that after last Sunday's game, where he's 198 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 3: like the defense played well, but we didn't get the takeaways. 199 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 4: I think they only ended up with the. 200 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: One, and that's something that they want to take advantage 201 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: of whenever they can. And I think they're much more 202 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: comfortable and flying to the ball in that zone scheme 203 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: versus you know, just trying to keep up with receivers 204 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: in Amanda Man system. 205 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think at some point, like I know, 206 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: this is this this staff wants to be more man, 207 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: but I think they've accepted, like, look, this is just 208 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: who we. 209 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: Are right now. 210 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: And I think in their purple world Samer still would 211 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: be inside. But I think for Samruscreb, he plays he's 212 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: been playing better on the outside so far, and it 213 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: seems like he is more confident in that spot. And 214 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: maybe that's because of the injuries and that he's they're 215 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: putting more stress on him. 216 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: I don't. 217 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: The point is where he is right now is a 218 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: better spot than where he was four weeks ago to 219 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: his performance terms of like personnel usage, all that other stuff. 220 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: Now going on to you, John before we before we 221 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: move on here, and could you mention Jacob Martin liked 222 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: him a lot, and I'd be interested to like, maybe 223 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: Drake Jackson comes back, Like how do you feel about 224 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: this pass rush going against this Minnesota offensive line? And 225 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: how can pressuring whether it's mccar the Brozener you know, 226 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 2: or whoever whoever is out there got throwing these pass 227 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: looks like them McCarthy, But we'll see how commedy do 228 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 2: you be about getting him off his spot, maybe forcing 229 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 2: some of those those turnovers if they are trying to 230 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: target Jefferson to maybe kind of get crazy some of 231 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: these plays that they really need to swing them in 232 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: and back in their favor. 233 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I mean you mentioned Jackson. I think that's 234 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 6: super interesting too, and I'd love to see them sort 235 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 6: of like kick the tires. And he's still a young 236 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 6: guy who hasn't played in a couple of years, but 237 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 6: that's certainly if he seats up an interesting interesting part. 238 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 5: Of that pass rush. 239 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 6: But I think it's also it DQ said, I believe 240 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 6: after the game like he felt more in he felt 241 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 6: more comfortable calling defensive plays. Maybe there is some and 242 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 6: he's got a defensive line background, maybe there's stunts. Maybe 243 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 6: we get creative because the personnel is, like we said, 244 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 6: it's been, it's. 245 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 5: Been banged up all season. 246 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 6: They've lost so many of their what we went into 247 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 6: this season thinking their top pass rushers, their edge defenders, 248 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 6: they're not there, So. 249 00:10:58,960 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 5: We got to get creative. 250 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, and maybe DQ can can dial something up. If 251 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 6: he's more in his in his bag, he's more comfortable 252 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 6: after you know, I believe Madrid, but it was the 253 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 6: first game he was calling play, so I think it's 254 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 6: gonna be a lot of scheme and then yeah, I 255 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 6: would love to see you maybe Martin continues to to 256 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 6: uh play well. And Jackson, I'd love to see him 257 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 6: what he's uh what he can bring. 258 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: And Franky Lou I think we should put him out there. 259 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: I mean, he's definitely I wouldn't say password his natural position, 260 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: but he does have some athletic trays that kind of 261 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: lends himself to that a little bit. 262 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: I'd be curious. 263 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: And he also did mension the money he would consider 264 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: being the permanent play caller next year, which I think 265 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 2: is a fascinating conversation for this offseason. Well, so we'll 266 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: see how that goes, but either way, we'll move on 267 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: to the next question. 268 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: But I think I'm an. 269 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: Hold off on the points for reveal yet or partly 270 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: because both of you are right here in front of 271 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: my face, and like both of you are in the 272 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 2: way of the doors, I can't like escape something something 273 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: goes wrong here, so I'm protecting myself while anything else 274 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: And so anyway, onto the vikings secondary and I think 275 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: you know, this offense for the Commanders did very well 276 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: against the number one some people there's a numb one 277 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: deepens the league, and I mean put up over four 278 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: hundred yards first time they've done it since let they 279 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: leave two or three, and I think the second time 280 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: the Broncos have allowed four hundred plus yards this year, 281 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 2: and maybe that is because they run eighty five plays. 282 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 2: Either way, like they was a much improved performance and 283 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: it's them, but they had something to do with Terry 284 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: Madson do with just like figuring things out over the 285 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: by who knows. But either way, there they seem like 286 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: they're much closer to the version of the offense that 287 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 2: they thought they were going to be compared to what 288 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: they were in October and November, where it was not 289 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: soily the shell of itself but definitely missing some key 290 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: pieces there. So this Viking secondary, it's not quite as 291 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: good as you know, some of the demons that they've 292 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: played so far this year, but. 293 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: It is still very solid. And I'm curious about how 294 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: you guys think. 295 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: They're going to be able to attack this secondary, especially 296 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: when Terry coming back, maybe Noah Brown comes back. 297 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: So John, we'll start with you on this one. 298 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, like you said, if Noah's back as well, 299 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 6: I think Terry and Earth said it after the game. 300 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 6: I think he just gets so much attention and that 301 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 6: opens things up for Art's went over one hundred yards 302 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 6: catching on Sunday night, So like, I think he is 303 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 6: such a difference maker and not like obviously a playmaker, 304 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 6: but also we got to account for seventeen every play, 305 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 6: and then you have you know, Deebo Samuel, and if 306 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 6: you have Noah Brown back, we're playing full strength for 307 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 6: the first time all year. So I just think you 308 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 6: hopefully can attack downfield like you did with with Terry 309 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 6: on Sunday night. He's I don't know if I saw 310 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 6: whatdy have seven catches for almost one hundred yards. 311 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 5: I don't think anybody saw that coming. 312 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, I'm coming back for the first time, 313 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 6: you know, after undergo two quad injuries, the same quad injuries. 314 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 6: But so yeah, I just think he if he's on 315 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 6: the field so much opens up everywhere. 316 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's funny like you you obviously they knew 317 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 2: Terry was was back because they put her Tan on 318 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: him basically the whole night. And but you saw it 319 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: as Terry started to get going more. It's like he's 320 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: like slowly just got more and more and more attention 321 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: from the second to the point where zach Ertz is 322 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: running open across you know, across the middle of the field. 323 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: There You've got guys. 324 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: Like Jim Lane getting up in a couple of times, 325 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: and it's in Kolstnankok even getting it get involved in it, 326 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: which is cool to see. Uh so, Liam, we'll move 327 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: on to you here, same question though, But I mean, 328 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: is it simple as just the Terry factor? Is there 329 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: something else going on for how the Commanders can can 330 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: get passes back in the secondary? 331 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's as simple as a Terry factor, 332 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: But I don't think you can ignore that when you 333 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: look at what he was able to do last week 334 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 3: and you look at how they started that game, it 335 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 3: was kind of you were like, oh man, that's a 336 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 3: lot of zach Ertz targets, like in front of the 337 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: first tailor. 338 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 4: But I was a little bit worriosome. 339 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: And then as that game went on, they were able 340 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: to start targeting Terry Moore. They're able to start really 341 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 3: stressing that opposing secondary. We talked about it with Justin 342 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: Jefferson and that you have to account for him and 343 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: putting anyone man to man as a tough responsibility. And 344 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: it's the same thing with Terry where all, right, are 345 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: you going to put Isaiah Rodgers one on one? 346 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 4: Rogers had a. 347 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: Really up and down skas again one of like the 348 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 3: best games the defensive back has ever had earlier, but 349 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: you also saw like A. J. Brown was able to 350 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: really beat him when they matched up with the Eagles 351 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: earlier this year. And so you're making that defensive play 352 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: caller and Brian Flores really account for that on every 353 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: single play. And he has someone who can be incredibly aggressive, 354 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: the highest blitzmate of the league. He's one of the 355 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: highest pressure rates in the league. And so you're looking 356 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 3: at your pass guys just say okay, get open and 357 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: get open fast. And I think that's what Terry can 358 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: really do. He can beat someone off the line, get 359 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: open deep, and these quarterbacks trust him in such an 360 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: implicit way to make those plays down view him to 361 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: high point the ball and we're probably gonna up talk 362 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: about it later book. With Noah Brown potentially coming back 363 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: as well. That gives you a bigger body downfield target 364 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: that you've really been lacking and really been. 365 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 4: Missing this season. 366 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: And so I think that's what you're really gonna want 367 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: to take advantage of if you're if you're Cliff Kingsbury 368 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: going against Brian Flores is, can you make them over commit? 369 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: Can you take advantage of their aggression, whether that's taking 370 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: shots downfield and trusting Terry to go up and get it, 371 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: or you know, if Jane Daniels is back, or even 372 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: with Mariota, I feel like, okay, we're going to stress 373 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: your your run fits and run some more read option stuff. 374 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 3: Like I think, taking advantage of what they're doing and 375 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 3: making it play to your own strengths, whether it's in 376 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: that front or in that secondary, is going to be 377 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: a really interesting chess match between these two play colors. 378 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think one Brian Flores is I 379 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: think he's been he was one of the better defensive 380 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: minds the league. Then I think whether it's Daniel's or 381 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: Mario ta As some people some people who are or 382 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: main Nyla's on this podcast, will we'll say I think 383 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: that I think they've got good options there because I 384 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: think Mariota does. He did a good job against against 385 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: that team, and I'm on the one of the better 386 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: games I've seen him play, uh maybe in. 387 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: The last seven or eight years since. 388 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: But since it's early Tennessee days and you mentioned no Brown, 389 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: That's what we call a good segue because that's exactly 390 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: where I was gonna go next John, So like as 391 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: soon he does come back, like and you know, maybe, 392 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: I mean, do you how can you over commit if 393 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: you're Brian Flores when you've got all these other options 394 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: out there? 395 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean, how. 396 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 2: Big is it going to be to have an offense 397 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: that really has not been at full strength or as 398 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: close to full strength with Saans Austin Eckler since like 399 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 2: week two? 400 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: How's the big is that? 401 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 6: I mean, it's obviously huge, too little, too late, but 402 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 6: just to yeah, I mean No Brown, It's it's been 403 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 6: hard to see like what he really can full. He's 404 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 6: been just hurt more games than he's played in his 405 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 6: Washington career. And I know they were so high on 406 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 6: bringing him up here at the end of last year's 407 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 6: training camp, and DQ loves him and always calls him 408 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 6: a you know dog, A competitor is his like phrase 409 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 6: for him, and I know he you know, we talked 410 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 6: to Kingsbury and DQ about him and what he's doing 411 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 6: away from the stat sheet is just as important as 412 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 6: what he brings to you know, catches and touchdowns and 413 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 6: things like that, because we really haven't seen like a 414 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 6: Noah Brown game since he's been. 415 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 5: Here, and injuries obviously play a part in that. 416 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 6: But I think if you have the whole what we 417 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 6: thought this offense was gonna look like, yeah, this whole 418 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 6: season with Debo, with with Terry, with Noah and Zach 419 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 6: and Jalen back you know, back them up, and. 420 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 5: So I mean, I don't know what it's gonna look like. 421 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 6: I'm excited to see like what you know, obviously we'll 422 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 6: see who's playing quarterback, but it's gotta be you know, yeah, 423 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 6: it's got to look better than what we saw Madrid 424 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 6: and before that. Yeah, with you know a lot of 425 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 6: a lot of guys that I don't think we're maybe 426 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 6: ready to take on the roles that they were given 427 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 6: given these injuries, but got their chances. So I don't 428 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 6: know if that's an answer or not, but I'm excited 429 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 6: to see what this full continued this offense looks like, 430 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 6: again depending on if Noah's playing or Kaiden's playing, but yeah, 431 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 6: excited to see what they can do. 432 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 2: No, I think I think it is. I think it 433 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: definitely is interesting to see. Excited to see, honestly, like 434 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: what this offense could be because we were promised this, 435 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 2: this offense could be one of the top five in 436 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: the league. And and for something that're out of control, 437 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 2: it's just it is the way it is. And you're right, 438 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: it is maybe a little too little too late, So 439 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: at least for some areas, but in other areas, you 440 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: at least want to see what you invested in, Yeah, 441 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: and prove like and I've been saying this for like 442 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: any team like that's out of the playoffs as we are, 443 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: like mostly not just saying with you, but the proof 444 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 2: of concept is so important that later in the year 445 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: to show that you have something that works. And I 446 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: think if you get the offense out in the field 447 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: and they do some things like they did again to Denver, 448 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 2: like you have a proof of concept to say, Okay, 449 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: now we have something to build on before we move on. 450 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: I am also obligated to talk about Trailing Burgs because 451 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: I have a team. 452 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: Employee and he made play it again, play the play, 453 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 2: maybe the play of the year. Honestly, it doesn't have 454 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: abolic but Liam, like maybe even if no O'Brien doesn't 455 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: come back, Like, do you expect more opportunities out of 456 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: Trailing after that crazy catch that he made, you know, 457 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: OBJ two point zero. I say that facetiously just so 458 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: you know, but but yeah, only what do you think 459 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: of Traylon Burks? And and do you think he's gonna 460 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: have more more opportunities against you know, against his Vikings team. 461 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been really impressed by Traylan Burks. You mentioned it. 462 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 4: We haven't seen like a Noah Brown game. 463 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: Noah Brown and Trailing Burks have the same number of 464 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: receiving touchdowns as commanders. Noah Brown's only touchdown catch as 465 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 3: a commander was the Hell Mary last year. Yeah, so 466 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: with Traylon Burks, I think, I mean, it's what I 467 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 3: was talking about where it's you're kind of missing that 468 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 3: big body, kind of sideline receiver who can make those 469 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 3: contested catches and that's what he really can bring at 470 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: his best, and the injuries have been an issue, but 471 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: dan Quinn really loves this guy. So it's Adam Peters 472 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 3: and he's someone who's coming in with that first round pedigree. 473 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 3: Things didn't work out with Tennessee, but this is a 474 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: team that is willing to give those second chances to people, 475 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 3: and so I think you they're going to want to 476 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: start working him into that offense more because it's like 477 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 3: you said, you want that proof of concept, and the 478 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: players will openly talk about it. They're like, Okay, if 479 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 3: you know, maybe I'm not competing this year, but I 480 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: might be competing for my next team. 481 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 4: I might be competing for my next contract. 482 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: And when Washington is looking at all, right, how do 483 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: we build out this receiver room next year where Deebo 484 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: Samuel's on an expiring deal, you may have a high 485 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: draft pick and maybe get one of the top receivers 486 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 3: in the draft. You're kind of trying to make your 487 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: case of being like, I have a role on this offense. 488 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 3: This is what I can do. I'm Treilon Barks. I 489 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: can go out and make one of the craziest catches 490 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: you'll see, you know, at Northwest Stadium this year. 491 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 4: Like, and I think they're going to want to give 492 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 4: him that opportunity. 493 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: What I'm interested in is if he has that same 494 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 3: chemistry with Jane Daniels, if he plays as he has 495 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 3: with Marcus Mariota, who has had more snaps with him, 496 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 3: That's something that I'm interested in seeing. So yeah, Cliff 497 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: might want him to get in the ball, but quarterbacks 498 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 3: are kind of maybe not superstitious creatures, but they are. 499 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: They like the receivers they like, and that can't be 500 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 3: under state. And I would love to see more of him, 501 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 3: just so you know what you have and you have 502 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 3: to say, all right, does not go fit hair? Or 503 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 3: maybe he's a key piece for us next season. 504 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 5: You know. 505 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: So as people in the podcast now, I grew up 506 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: in Tennessee, so I grew up a Titans fan, and 507 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: I'll keep up with the team from arms distance because 508 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: I do work for another team, and just to keep 509 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: up a conversation with my dad, because my dad still 510 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 2: loves the Titans. So my attention to them is kind 511 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: of like a well watered fern, like it's just kind 512 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: of air and I watch it and see what it does. 513 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 2: And I've watched Traylon Bursh for a little bit now 514 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: and you see the talent right like it's all like 515 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: I think someone said he uses first round talent. But 516 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: like the injuries for Tennessee, that was the biggest issue 517 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: for him. 518 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: And I think a. 519 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: Change of scenery like you see it with some players 520 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: a lot like it just does wonders for them. 521 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: And maybe that's the case here with Traylan. 522 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: And I would like to see him sign the future 523 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,959 Speaker 2: deal with with us this offseason, at least get him 524 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: through this training camp, see what he does and and 525 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: look like if he if he pays off, like it's 526 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: a big lawyer take er for this team. 527 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: So we'll move on to the final question here. 528 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep the score still secret, and I will 529 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: say one of you is ahead and the other one 530 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: is not very general. But so we we've talked about 531 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: Drake Jax Jackson, We've talked about Noah Brown here. 532 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: Both these guys could potentially be back this week. I 533 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: think they were. 534 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 2: They open their twenty one day windows in the same week. 535 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 2: If I'm my short term memory is as good as 536 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: I'd like to believe it is. So maybe one of 537 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 2: these guys come back, maybe both, maybe none. But either way, 538 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,239 Speaker 2: if one of these both these guys do come back, 539 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 2: in a perfect world, which one do you think is gonna. 540 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: Have the most impact between these cool? 541 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 2: Because I think they could both potentially be We'll make 542 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: some wrinkles. 543 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: Into this this Viking's Vikings game. So Liam, we'll start 544 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: with you. 545 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 3: So I gotta go with Noah Brown just because I 546 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: have seen him play football in person. 547 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 4: Okay, and I have never seen Drake Jackson play football 548 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 4: in person. 549 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: He's someone who has not taken an NFL snap in 550 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 3: I think almost exactly two years now. Yeah, and even 551 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 3: if he is, or if he's able to develop back 552 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: into incrediblelace or you mentioned earlier that he's still young, 553 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: it's not going to be an immediate thing. I would 554 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 3: be shocked he goes out there and makes three sacks 555 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 3: on Sunday, adjusting back to the speed and strength of 556 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: live NFL action can't really be undersold. But at the 557 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: same time, well, they don't got film on him, you know. 558 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: Whereas I think someone like Noah Brown, I'm higher on 559 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: Noah Brown than a lot of the fan bases. I 560 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 3: know the injury concerns have really soured that that goodwill 561 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 3: that he may have had from last season, but I 562 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 3: think that he can be just such a useful weapon 563 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 3: on this offense and such a complimentary piece, Whereas, all right, 564 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 3: you've got Terry going deep, You've got Deeboa as an 565 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 3: incredible yack guy, and you can have Noah Brown who 566 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: has a really like shown ability to make those hard 567 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 3: catches and it's just an extra option where all right, 568 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 3: it's third down, I don't just have to look to Zechers, 569 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 3: who has had an incredible year, but maybe he's a 570 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 3: little bit more limited in the rap tree. Sure, no 571 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: Brown is someone who's working his way back, and he 572 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 3: has flashed over and over. It's just about staying on 573 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 3: the field, and so I really think that he could 574 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: be an immediate difference maker back out there on Sunday. 575 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: I think, I mean, yes, the injuries are frustrating because 576 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 2: they're injuries. Of course they're frustrating, But I think this 577 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: dude still has talent, Like he's still like I think 578 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: he draws more passing experience calls than almost anybody in 579 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: the league like like he does like that's not nothing 580 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: like he's like and you know, we'll we'll see what 581 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: he does. And obviously you want him out there on 582 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: the field as much as you can. But again, I 583 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: think I think he can really help this team one 584 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: way or the other. 585 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: John take the floor. 586 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I know what you you know said there, 587 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 6: like the PI stuff might be his biggest superpower. I 588 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 6: mean when he came here everyone is excited about. I 589 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 6: think he had like two games and two monster games 590 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 6: for the Texans in like twenty twenty three that you know, 591 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 6: everybody was talking about. 592 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 5: And that was kind of all No Brown had and 593 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 5: just maybe. 594 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 6: Like I said, this stuff off the off the stat sheet, 595 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 6: but for the sake of argument, and I kind of do. 596 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm looking forward. 597 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 4: To to Jackson. 598 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 5: You just stand next to him. He's got the size, 599 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 5: he's a he's uh. 600 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 6: He had a three sack game, I believe in his 601 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 6: his second year. 602 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 5: I believe that was the season total. 603 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 6: But still so that's and I mean, if we're thinking 604 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 6: beyond this game, I think defense he's doing get addressed. 605 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 5: First past past edge rusher, sideline to sideline, linebackers, something 606 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 5: that they need. 607 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 6: And I think it's just like Traylon, if you could 608 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 6: hit with this guy hasn't played in a couple of seasons, 609 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 6: but these are the this is the home stretch to 610 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 6: see what you got and then have him back for 611 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 6: for training camp. So I think, man, yeah, if he 612 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 6: can be the guy that that can get to McCarthy 613 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 6: or whoever's back there, that's gonna be more exciting to 614 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 6: I don't know, I have a bigger impact on the 615 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 6: game to me than if you know that the second 616 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 6: third receiver out there. But again, I haven't seen him 617 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 6: play football. I know he has played football. I also 618 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 6: haven't seen No Brown play a lot of football recently. 619 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 3: So. 620 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's not quite like the mystery boxing 621 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: family guy, but like it is, like he is like 622 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: someone like you see, like if you're like a kid 623 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 2: and he's sim this toy like this, like it's like 624 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: all packaged up, real nice, like he's got the stuff, 625 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: he's got all these cool features, but you haven't played 626 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 2: with him, so you don't really know if it's gonna 627 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: be fun. 628 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: But like it's you tend to trust your instincts, I. 629 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: Mean, at least like they I mean the team did 630 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: could sign him knowing that this was gonna be an issue, 631 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: and like he was gonna be maybe more of a 632 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 2: long term project, but like intangibles, and they certainly need 633 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: the depth at pass rusher, right, Like, even if he 634 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: could just provide snaps, he's gonna provide a value there. 635 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: So we'll see. 636 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 2: But I'm I'm definitely interested in him as well. And 637 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: now it comes to the most awkward part of the podcast. 638 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: That's where I have to choose the winner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 639 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: actually actual yeah, both physically and mentally, but. 640 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: I hmmm, both made excellent points. I think I have 641 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: to go with Liam here. 642 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 5: Liam. 643 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: Liam takes the win. 644 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 2: I think I think a lot of the points you 645 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: made about Justin Jefferson mcgrat, I think the point you 646 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: made about Brian Flores and the secondary and no Brian, 647 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: I think, like, well, I do agree that Drake Jackson 648 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: is gonna have some value. I think again, it just 649 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: goes back to seeing the offense. I think I think 650 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 2: it because I think that was the main selling point 651 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: for this for this team heading into the offseason. You 652 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: knew the defense is gonna still have some growing pains, 653 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: but maybe not to this extent, But you knew the 654 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: offense was going to compete at a high level, and 655 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: now you have hopefully you're gonna have Debo, Harry and 656 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: Noah with Zach and maybe trailing replacing some of these 657 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 2: people there. 658 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: Like I think that could be a that's a formula 659 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,239 Speaker 1: first success, I think. 660 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: And like I said, I think it's gonna be very 661 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: even fight with Minnesota. You're gonna eat all the guys 662 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: you can get. So Liam, is this your first win here? 663 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 6: Three? 664 00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: And really? 665 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 4: Wow, my god, chance I know who's counting. 666 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got them all just wrapped up on the walls. 667 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: So take the undefeated, take the take the floor, say 668 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: something anything. 669 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 3: I'm also so excited to see Drake Jackson just you 670 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: can replace von Miller Snaps next season with Drake Jackson Snaps. 671 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 4: I think that's a win. 672 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 3: So I just wanted to appreciate that point and I 673 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 3: appreciate another another victory. I have as many wins on 674 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 3: this podcast as the Commanders have this season. 675 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: Wow, that's that is true? Now you know what that is? 676 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: That is true? 677 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: If actually if I can't dispute it there, but hopefully, 678 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: hopefully the Commando will be one ahead of you buddy 679 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: by this time next week, and maybe going in Phillop 680 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: in wind Streak. I don't want to talk, don't don't 681 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: want to say it's anything to too early, but we'll 682 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: see either way. We'll be back next week talk about 683 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: the Giants with two new guests, and please rate your 684 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: futurescribe wherever you get your podcast, and until week fifteen, 685 00:29:52,280 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 2: this has been the Big Down at