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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is nick Shot

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Speaker 1: screening live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,

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Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. Oh, Mickey can't wait to get into

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Speaker 1: this and Mick shots Everson Walls. Let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to dive right in because, as you know,

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Speaker 1: it is super Bowl week and Mickey sent me an

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Speaker 1: email yesterday that has that goes. It was basically two

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Speaker 1: to talk about, whether it's Super Bowl, whether it's quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: being traded in this league, no matter, whether it's Missouri basketball.

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Speaker 1: Now he won't get into Missouri. No, we're not getting

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Speaker 1: into Missouri basketball. No, no, but and so Micky Mickey

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Speaker 1: wants the floor to start off. Okay, Everson, but let's

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Speaker 1: give you the floor first, because Mickey doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: floor right now. Mickey, Everson, Mike, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 1: Form my platform today? First of all, welcome to Black

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Speaker 1: History Month, guys, right yo, So glad to have you here.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna take over the show, and I think

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Speaker 1: Spags knew that. That's why he sent you that list

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Speaker 1: of subjects and didn't send me Jack. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what the henk we're gonna talk about today, but

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Speaker 1: I do know I want to welcome you guys a

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Speaker 1: Black History Month. Every show this month, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. You can't see me over on guys,

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Speaker 1: take it away? Do you think ever since you can't

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Speaker 1: Oh nice, welcome to the club. I'll wear it. I'll

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Speaker 1: wear it every show this month and even beyond this month.

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Speaker 1: Just blue doesn't count, right, I needed to be in black.

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Speaker 1: Blue does not count. There is there are some blue

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Speaker 1: black people in this world, but no, your blue does

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Speaker 1: not count. And there's some black and blue people in

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Speaker 1: this world. And I could think of at Mickey, Yah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where do you want to start? Well, you had a

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Speaker 1: ground to cover, right, yes, exactly right? Uh and uh

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Speaker 1: all right, let's how about we start with the news

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Speaker 1: of the day yesterday. Get it out of the way

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Speaker 1: to start with, because everything else is kind of Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and NFL related. But Jason Winton has landed a

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Speaker 1: new job, and how many are surprise that we aren't surprised.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is a coaching job, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised that it's at the high school level two

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Speaker 1: at Liberty Christian School in Argyle, which is located north

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Speaker 1: right here in the metroplex for those of you who

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Speaker 1: don't live in North Texas. And his kids, his four

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Speaker 1: eighth grade. Eighth and so he's the varsity head football

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Speaker 1: eighth grade. Yes, And he's the varsity head football coach

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Speaker 1: at Liberty Christian. So congratulations to him. To start things off.

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Speaker 1: Liberty Christian is about I'm gonna say, five miles or

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Speaker 1: And that used to be that used to be really

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Speaker 1: And I think most people on this missed the boat

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Speaker 1: on well, why would he want to coach in high school? Well?

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Speaker 1: Why not? Number one? That's where his kids are. Number two,

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Speaker 1: Now he he doesn't have to recruit. You go to college,

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Speaker 1: Grease Fast. That's one of the things that we talked

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Speaker 1: Here Sean Payton, when he had his exile under suspension

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Speaker 1: So just because Jason Witton is coaching at the high

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Speaker 1: We'll welcome back here to mix shots. Bill Jones, Everson

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00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: Walls and Mickey Spagnola getting you ready for the Super

431
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty five matchup. It's Mahomes versus Brady Ever, so

432
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: you're still there. Let's go back in time, Mickey, to

433
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: a time. Oh, it was a little while ago, but

434
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: it was the good old days when we weren't talking

435
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: about quarterback matchups in a Super Bowl. We were talking

436
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: about cornerback matchups in a Super Bowl in Tampa nineteen

437
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: ninety one. Take us back in time, Mickey, Yes, absolutely so.

438
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: If my math is right, that's thirty years ago, right,

439
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: kind of an anniversary here. It was Super Bowl twenty five.

440
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: I believe it was January twenty seventh and one. Everson Walls,

441
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: playing for the New York Football Giants, went into Tampa

442
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: Stadium against the Buffalo Bills in in that Super Bowl,

443
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: and I just kind of stumbled across this. It was

444
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 1: a twenty nineteen victory for the Giants, and for some reason,

445
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was looking up, but I

446
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: found this quote from Bill Belichick after the game, and

447
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: he would have been the Giants defensive coordinator in that game,

448
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: and Belichick was quoted as saying, we wouldn't have won

449
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: the game if Walls didn't make that tackle. And I

450
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: was at the game, by the way, I was covering it.

451
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, when Scott Norwood was kicking

452
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: the field goal at the end to try to win

453
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: it that he missed. It was right on deadline for

454
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: the newspaper for the Times Herald and everybody else had

455
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: time to go down right to go do interviews. I

456
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: was right on deadline, and I remember standing in my

457
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: seat leaning out the window of the press box to

458
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: watch this field goal to see if it was gonna

459
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: be good or not. Right, That was my memory of

460
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: that game. But what Belichick was talking about was with

461
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: a minute forty eight left in the game, Buffalo was

462
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: on their nineteen yard line. It was third and inches,

463
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: and they tried a kind of counter handoff to Thurman Thomas,

464
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: who went twenty two yards and had not one Everson

465
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Walls made the tackle on that play. Thurman Thomas looks

466
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: like he's going for a touchdown from the video I saw.

467
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: When you see the play, there is nobody behind Everson

468
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: Walls if he doesn't make that tackle. And Belichick went

469
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: on to say also afterwards, that was the play of

470
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: the game, and I think we have video of it.

471
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: We might be able to show at least the tackle

472
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: along with uh Afterwards, after Scott Norwood miss the field goal,

473
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: Everson Walls making his celebration that ended up on the

474
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: cover of Sports Illustrated, by the way, and as a

475
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I want to show you what I

476
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: got here. This is the game program from that Super Bowl,

477
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: and so I'm looking through it to see where's Everson

478
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: Wall's picture and everything. Well, you know what, I've got

479
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: two of them if if and when we show together again, right.

480
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: But the weird thing was is if you remember there

481
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: was a week there was only one week between the game.

482
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: There was not two weeks, So everything in this program

483
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with either team playing in the game.

484
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking through it, I'm going, what the hell? Right?

485
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: And then I got I reminded myself that they won

486
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: in San Francisco on a Sunday and flew all night

487
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: to Tampa and guy in early on Monday morning. So

488
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: I just thought we'd asked eversonce. So do you remember

489
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: the play the way I described it and what was

490
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: going where did you line up and what was going

491
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: through your mind on that snap? No? It was you

492
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Speaker 1: know at that time, Buffalo was the greatest show on turf, right, Yeah,

493
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean they were bawling. They had blown out Miami

494
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: and Oakland the consecutive playoff games like fifty something to something,

495
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: forty four to nothing. I mean they were bawling. I

496
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: think that year we were the only ones to keep

497
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: Buffalo under twenty points all season. I could be wrong

498
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: about nineteen ninety, but they beat us. They beat us

499
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: seventeen to like fourteen in Jersey, and so we knew

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00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: what we had in store for us. So here we

501
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: are two minutes to go, basically a two minute drill,

502
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: and what we had done all game long was to

503
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: keep them at bay. You know, no big plays because

504
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: big players are gonna kill you, and they're gonna kill

505
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: you morale. So Belichick had us play in that fashion.

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00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: The only thing that surprised me about that game was

507
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: the fact that he had me calling the plays the

508
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: entire game they played. We played pretty much Nickel and

509
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: Dime the entire game. So I was back at safety,

510
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: which is what I usually am on Nickel and Dime.

511
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: So they're going no huddle on Buffalo side. We needed

512
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: someone to be in the secondary to make those calls.

513
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: He chose me. I think I was the oldest one

514
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: back there at the time, and so during that play,

515
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: during that drive, the handoff was easy to see. Backs

516
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: the beginning of that Amba defense, right, we talked about

517
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: that Amiba defense. Belichick comes up with, well, we only

518
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: had one defensive lineman in the game, so when the

519
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: handoff was made, the hole was easy to make. We

520
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: only had three lines, three down players, only one was

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Speaker 1: a lineman, so he's coming right at me. I saw

522
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: it right away, so I never took my drop to

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Speaker 1: go to cover two. When I recognized what was happening.

524
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure it wasn't a fleet flicker,

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00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: so I just go running up. But I saw where

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00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: he had already crossed a line of scrimmage. I'm coming up,

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00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: and according to Thermon Thomas, I talked to him like

528
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: almost ten years after this play, he said he never

529
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: saw me. Spags. He said, he never saw me. And

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00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: that's one of those things about football to where you

531
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: can be too smart. Sometimes he didn't. He didn't expect

532
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: me to be there because they knew what the defense

533
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: would be. We were predictable. It's to cover two. All

534
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: he's thinking is, once I get by those linebackers, my

535
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: eyes are going to work. I can score a touchdown

536
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: because the safeties are gonna be half to field. Well,

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00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't half to feel. I chose not to because

538
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: I recognized it. And when I came up and made

539
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: the play, although it was twenty two yards down, the

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00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: field covered that ground very quickly. I did not know

541
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: its twenty two yards Fags. He covered that ground extremely quickly.

542
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, he's on me and I make

543
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: a pretty unspectacular tapple. It's just the fact that we

544
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: were able to bring him down and so I didn't

545
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: know what was behind me. You mentioned that Parcels was asked,

546
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: what would happen if Everson Walls misses that plate and

547
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: h he's They asked, what do you think mil and

548
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: Gotton would have caught it? And they said, yes, maybe

549
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: in the parking lot. That's what parselves response was. So

550
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: he was thinking about how you would think his fads

551
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: in regards to that game, in regards to that place.

552
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: So how fitting it? How fitting is this you guys

553
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: for for Everson Wall's career, you know, not recruited to college,

554
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: wasn't drafted in the NFL, had to fight for everything

555
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: it gets. So I read about the play and I said, Okay,

556
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: I gotta go find it. So I found the official

557
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: play by play of the Super Bowl and I'm I'm

558
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: going through here looking for the play, and all I

559
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: was looking for was a Thurman Thomas run and an

560
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: Everson Walls tackle right, and I'm going through and going

561
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: through and the game's over and I where's the tackle?

562
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: So I'd looked and they credited the tackle to not

563
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: twenty eight fifty eight Carl Banks. He's on the other side.

564
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: He wouldn't even in the place that well maybe he

565
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: jumped in and head an assist and they gave no,

566
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was a solo diving tackle. But Everson Walls,

567
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: if you ever go back in history to look for

568
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: your tackle, it is not on the play by play sheet.

569
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: I got one more thing forace bags, because you've got

570
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: the official play by play. I think it was Dan Diodoff, Yeah,

571
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: was the color commentator. And you know, once again, this

572
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: whole quarterback thing, there was never an emphasis on how

573
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: important for tackle was during the play because all they

574
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about was how Jim Kelly was in

575
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: the in position to leave them down the field. So

576
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: just the tone deafness of some commentators can be, you know,

577
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: different ways. Dick Lynch, the former Diglitz, the Great Diglitz,

578
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: the commentator for the New York Giants, he ended up

579
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: actually giving me way. If you go back and listen

580
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: to his broadcast of that play, he literally calls it

581
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: out right there. He said, I might have saved the game.

582
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: He said that right there. So it's just funny how

583
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: you have different commentators looking at these games. But that

584
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: was old school. When you're talking about Bill. There was

585
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: no Jeff Hostetler versus Jim Kelly. Necessarily in that game,

586
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: the hight wasn't the way it is right now. And

587
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: if you want to go back to where how the

588
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: mentality was in New York MVP of by season and

589
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: the MVP of that game was a running back in O. J. Anderson.

590
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: So that's why I know I know this is that

591
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: was nineteen ninety one and it is what it is today.

592
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: But nothing to me has changed. Defense still wins ball games,

593
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: and that's how we ended up dominating that entire season.

594
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: We got more cheers for an eighty yard touchdown, I'm sorry.

595
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: We got more cheers for a sack on third and

596
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: two and turning the ball over then we would get

597
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: for an eighty yard touchdown. That's the mentality that they

598
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: had in New Jersey at that time. And you know

599
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: in the video the video I saw and I wasn't.

600
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I thought it was Dan Dear Dorri's voice.

601
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: It might have been the it was pieced together, so

602
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: it could have been the radio guy for the Giants

603
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: of the time. But they did say a great open

604
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: field tackle by Everson Walls. That's dig Lynch. That would

605
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: be dig Lynch right there. That's right. And then of

606
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: course what I remember from that was Scott Norwood missfield goal. Okay,

607
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: but the twenty to nineteen game, and then from that

608
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: season two, Everson, you talk about defense. It just here

609
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: we are thirty years later, and what sticks in my

610
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: mind is the fifteen thirteen win in the conference championship

611
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 1: game over San Francisco, you know, and they kept Joe

612
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: Montana off the field, by the way, and that was

613
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: the difference in that game. Mother knocked him off the

614
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: field at the time the game was over. Yeah. And

615
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: one other memory from that Super Bowl covering it. It

616
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: was during the Gulf War, by the way, and I

617
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: remember before the game, those Blackhawk helicopters were flying over

618
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: the stadium. They had cleared the airspace. They were circling

619
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: the stadium and they had the side doors to the

620
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: helicopter open and you could see open. You could see

621
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: the guns pointing out that door. Uh. And it was

622
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: like it was it was chilling to see that. And

623
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: I remember the national anthem was pretty emotional also, uh

624
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: that game. And the other thing I remember, I was

625
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: able to get two tickets to the game and my

626
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: sister brought my dad to the game. And he got

627
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: to watch a Super Bowl in the stadium. He had

628
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: failing eyesight, but he could hear it and he could

629
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: my sister can interpret to him. And it was a

630
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: pretty neat day. That's Sunday for me. That's nice facts,

631
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: that's good stuff like that. Brother, And he got to

632
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: see the Jiant. Well he can't possibly see the Giants

633
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: kick ass, right, So that's that's a that That was

634
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: a great, great day for everybody all the way around.

635
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: I was saying, And now we go back to Tampa,

636
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: a new stadium U for this Super Bowl fifty five

637
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Hey, guys, we gotta take a break. I

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Speaker 1: But now when you think about it, it's facts that game.

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Speaker 1: it is Hall of Fame Saturday coming up on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: of course. Traditionally, in a normal Super Bowl week, on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame Committee all convene on the Saturday

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Speaker 1: before the game. They spend all day discussing the candidates

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Speaker 1: and in person of course, in the Super Bowl city,

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Speaker 1: and then on Saturday night, on what has now turned

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Speaker 1: into Super Bowl Saturday Night, the Hall of Fame class

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Speaker 1: is presented. But late that afternoon, David Baker, the President

706
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Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame, will go by the hotel

707
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: rooms of the finalists and inform them that they have

708
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: made it into the Hall of Fame I think there's

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Speaker 1: a one hundred percent chance that Drew Pearson is going

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00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: to go into the Hall of Fame and find out Saturday. Please, man,

711
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: we had enough trauma these days. You know, they did

712
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: a virtual discussion a couple of weeks ago. There was

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Speaker 1: a fan vote that ended on January thirty first, and Mickey,

714
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Speaker 1: I'm unclear on whether how much discussion they still need

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Speaker 1: to do on Saturday, if any. I think I think

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Speaker 1: that they went ahead and voted at the end of

717
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: that discussion a couple of weeks ago. But I may

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00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: be wrong, but I think, you know, David Baker has

719
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: made it a habit, even last year when he surprised

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson on the set at Fox, where you know

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Speaker 1: he wants to make the presentation to people. I just

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00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: would not be surprised if David Baker winds up at

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Speaker 1: Drew Pearson's doorstep here in Dallas and uh and makes

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Speaker 1: a presentation to him at some point later in the week. Well,

725
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: I would imagine it's gonna be a virtual knock on

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Speaker 1: the door, because I can't imagine they're flying all these

727
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: guys in the Tampa to for starters and that probably

728
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: they're not doing that. Yeah, they'll virtually hook up. But

729
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: he's the lone senior finalist, and normally those guys get in.

730
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: They just kind of rubber stamp it. But as you know,

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Speaker 1: Drew knows, the year before when they were inducting the

732
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: centennial class, it looked like he was going to get in,

733
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Speaker 1: and he didn't get in after a thirty seven year

734
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: wait and check out these these stats on Drew who

735
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: played from nineteen seventy three through eighty three with the Cowboys.

736
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Speaker 1: We know the history, we know the big plays he

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00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: made at eleven year career, but here's the background on

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Speaker 1: this and and and how he didn't get in yet

739
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: is still astounds me. There were twenty two First Team

740
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: All Decade selections in nineteen seventies. Twenty one of them

741
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: have a bust in Canton. The only one that doesn't,

742
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: it's Drew Pearson. He's also the only first teamer that

743
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: had never been discussed as a finalist as a finalist

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00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: after all these years, and check this out. From nineteen

745
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: thirty through twenty ten, a span of eight decades, there

746
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: were seventeen wide receivers selected First Team All Decade. Sixteen

747
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Speaker 1: of them they have busts in Canton, and again, Pearson

748
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: was the only first team wide receiver not enshrined. And

749
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Speaker 1: there were second team All Decade receivers from seventies, eighties, nineties.

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Speaker 1: They all have busts in the Call of Fame except

751
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Speaker 1: for Drew Pearson. So this is a long overdue award

752
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: for for Drew. And I heard an interesting comment and

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Speaker 1: I don't know Everson if you'll agree with this since

754
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: you been close, but Chris Carter was being interviewed on

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00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: NFL network. I believe it was, oh, maybe it was Friday,

756
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Speaker 1: and he was another guy that waited a while to

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Speaker 1: get in, and so they asked him, you know when

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Speaker 1: you finally get in, did you feel vindicated? And he

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00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: said he said, no, he goes once you're in, and

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Speaker 1: you know you were in this exclusive group. It doesn't

761
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Speaker 1: matter how long it took you to get in. You're in,

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Speaker 1: and he goes in, and you have a justification that

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Speaker 1: you were one of the greatest players in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. And I think he mentioned something like there's

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00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: been twenty five thousand guys to play in the NFL

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Speaker 1: over all these years, and there's only three hundred. I

767
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: don't have the number, off top of my head, three

768
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people in the Hall of Fame, so

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Speaker 1: it's in a pretty exclusive group. And as mad as

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Speaker 1: Drew was after being eliminated this previous time, I would

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Speaker 1: think once he's in, he's gonna be very grateful. I

772
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: think he was already pretty grateful even when he realized

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Speaker 1: he was the only senior guy that was up. He

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00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: was even smiling then. I think that was around a

775
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: month ago or so, and it was good to see

776
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: him smiling in regards to Hall of Fame as opposed

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Speaker 1: to what we would call you know when you look

778
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: at this stuff and it's it's always you know more

779
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: than I would spags because you're reported. I don't know

780
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: if you're a voter or not. But when you have

781
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: a team like the Cowboys, is where does the failure

782
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: come from in regards to recognition Drew Pierson not only

783
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: and you may have brought this up. There's a lot

784
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: of statue brought up spats. Drew Pearson was the last,

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00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: not just first teamer all decade. I think all the

786
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: second teamers got in before he did, at least from

787
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. Because Harold Carmichael was the second

788
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: team All Decade wide receiver and he got in before

789
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: Drew Pierson just this pastime. So it was almost as

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Speaker 1: if it was so glaring of an admission, it almost

791
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: seemed to be personal. Of course, as a former Cowboy

792
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: and Cowboy fan, I think you think it's personal by

793
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: the other Hall of Fame voters. We've always had this

794
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: rumor that the Cowboys were getting snubbed because the other

795
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame voters never liked the American team Moniker

796
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: that was placed on us by the by I think

797
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: textum or whoever they have. Always there's always that that

798
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: that belief by Cowboy fans and former Cowboy players. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're looking a guy like t O, would you say that,

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00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: no matter how long it took to to get in,

801
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: is he actually happy to be in now? Is he

802
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: a participant? Because when you have your own ceremony separate

803
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: from the Hall of Fame ceremony, I think you're making

804
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: a clear statement. I don't think that has ever happened

805
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: in the history of voting and accepting Pro Football Hall

806
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: of Fame bus. So I don't know, man, I think

807
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: that Drew's omission is glaring. I can go down the

808
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: line you're looking at how we long in the Hall

809
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: of Fame versus Harvey Martin not being in the Hall

810
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: of Fame. You know, those type of glaring emissions. Omissions

811
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: are just too much for me to ignore. I can

812
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: start fussing about myself, but I'm not because I'm still

813
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: upset about the other guys that came before me that

814
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: should be in the NFL Hall of Fame. It took

815
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: mel Renfro, It took Ray feel Right to the end

816
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: of their tenure and my rights, Bash yes, to be

817
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: voted into the Hall of Fame. Mel Renfro was Hall

818
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: of was All Pro almost every year, not to mention

819
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: the fact that he played in at least four Super Bowls.

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00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: Ray Feel Right, if I'm not mistaken, was hall of

821
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: He gave up maybe ten sacks to Roger Starbucks or

822
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: whatever quarterback Cowboys had to their blind side. That's the

823
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: toughest position, and yet he has to wait till his

824
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: tenures almost up. So I don't understand Bob Hayes. I

825
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: was gonna bring out Bob because you know what that

826
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: was that occurred. I want to say it occurred the

827
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: year the Super Bowl was in in Houston. And he

828
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: made it to the final seven. Uh, it was and

829
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: and and and he he made it to the finals

830
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: and they could even ducted seven guys, right, and he

831
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: basically got voted out. That he didn't get voted in,

832
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 1: and he didn't go and excuse me for going down

833
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: memory lane again, but he didn't. He didn't get in

834
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: until the Super Bowl. I believe it was the year

835
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl was in Tampa. The next time, it

836
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: was the two thousand and nine January of two thousand

837
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: and nine. And the reason I remember this is Thursday

838
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: night before the game, I wrote this column on all

839
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: the reasons why you want Bob Hayes in the Hall

840
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: of Fame and how injustice it was that he wasn't in.

841
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: And it was a Thursday night, and my mom passed

842
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: away the day before the game. She lived in Florida,

843
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: and I was fortunate enough to be there. I went

844
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: to I was with her when she passed away. Then

845
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: the game was on Sunday, but Bob finally got selected.

846
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: He last played I want to say it was nineteen

847
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: seventy four. Nineteen seventy four, This was two thousand and nine.

848
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: Bob Hayes changed the game and change and the way

849
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: I looked at the Hall of Fame. It's not all

850
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: about stats. I can tell you Drew Pearson played eleven years,

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Speaker 1: had four hundred and eighty nine receptions, forty eight touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: all this stuff. But the job of the Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame is to preserve the history of the game.

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Speaker 1: Not the statistical history, but the history of the game.

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Speaker 1: In thirty years, will anybody remember or we won't be

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Speaker 1: here to tell the story about the Hill Mary, about

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Speaker 1: him catching that pass. So that needs to be preserved

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Speaker 1: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The same thing

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Speaker 1: with Bob Hayes. He changed the game, his speed changed

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Speaker 1: the game, but there's going to be a point where

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Speaker 1: people that saw him play know what he did, won't

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Speaker 1: be here to relay that story. It needs to be

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Speaker 1: preserved in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And I

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Speaker 1: think what happens these days. Everson is number one. You're

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Speaker 1: right about the East Coast bias against the Cowboys at

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Speaker 1: number two. The voting committee has turned over so greatly

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Speaker 1: that people voting now did not see guys play in

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Speaker 1: the seventies. They didn't see guys play in the sixties.

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Speaker 1: They might not have seen you play in the eighties.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me interrupt you on that. Let me

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Speaker 1: interrupt you on that, because that is a factor. Correct.

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Speaker 1: But my thing is this, if you accept and I

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Speaker 1: think I may have said this on the show, if

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Speaker 1: you accept that position as a younger player coming in,

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Speaker 1: a younger writer, reporter coming in, and you're going to

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Speaker 1: be voting on this, you do a disservice to your

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Speaker 1: job and all the voters around you. If you don't

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Speaker 1: do your job, if you don't do your research, that's

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Speaker 1: what you're there for. Oh well, I can only vote

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Speaker 1: on guys that I saw play. Well, how stupid is that?

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Speaker 1: Then you shouldn't be a voter. We have access to

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Speaker 1: almost any type of information that we need on this

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Speaker 1: little box thing I got right in front of me,

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Speaker 1: and you're telling me you don't have the ability to

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Speaker 1: go back and do your research. You don't have access

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Speaker 1: to all of the NFL films that you need to

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Speaker 1: have access to vote on a Drew Pierson, to vote

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Speaker 1: on a hell call, Michael rayphel right, even go back

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Speaker 1: further than that. That's your job. If it's too much

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Speaker 1: for you, then get out because you've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of work to do when you're talking about salvaging these

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Speaker 1: guys relationship that they fought tooth and there for that

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Speaker 1: they shed so much blood for not just for themselves

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Speaker 1: and for the family, but for their teammates and for

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Speaker 1: this league that the Hall of Fame voters are supposed

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Speaker 1: to be representing. So it's a connection that you can't break.

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Speaker 1: And even I say this, fag, I maybe out of line.

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Speaker 1: I usually am. When you've got tex Shram and guys

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Speaker 1: like that controlling not just our negotiations and our salaries

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Speaker 1: and our reputation, but you've also got certain Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame voters for the cowboys back in the day that

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Speaker 1: was colluding. I guess with the owners sometimes that memory

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Speaker 1: that text has because he had one like a fricking elephant.

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Speaker 1: Those grudges are sometimes displayed through the lack of Dallas

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Speaker 1: cowboys in the Hall of Fame. You talked to I talk.

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to say their names, but they

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Speaker 1: have actually said to me that they have been informed

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Speaker 1: that the pushback from some Hall of famers comes from within.

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Speaker 1: So we're being cannibalistic as cowboys. We're eating our own.

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Speaker 1: Let the rains go. Talk about what Harvey Martin did

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Speaker 1: as a player, how many sacks he had, the fact

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Speaker 1: that he had so many they took away too. If

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Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, all of these things, to me are

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Speaker 1: a part of a legacy that is really a shame

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Speaker 1: here in Dallas. And it doesn't start in New York

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Speaker 1: and East Coast necessarily, Spags. It started right here before

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Speaker 1: we even got to Valley Ranch. That was over there

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Speaker 1: in Forest Laying Abrams, where I used to drive my

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Speaker 1: raggedy car down to practice every day, which was a

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Speaker 1: little bit better than your Yes, hey, we got a

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Speaker 1: minute left. We got one minute left. I got one

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Speaker 1: more thing. Who's gonna Who's gonna win the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Brady or my Holmes? Can I just say the Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chiefs? Please? Can I just say that? Can I?

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Speaker 1: Can I be politically incorrect and just say Chiefs? Judging

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Speaker 1: from the first time Mickey, the first time they met,

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Speaker 1: judging from the first time they met, Tyrek Hill is

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Speaker 1: gonna win the Super Bowl? That's exactly right. In fact,

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Speaker 1: that leads me to my parting comment. Do yourself a

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Speaker 1: favor if you've got NFL game pass and go back

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Speaker 1: and watch the Week twelve matchup between the Bucks and

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, I mean between Brady and Mahomes, and I

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Speaker 1: mean that that is a great way to prepare for

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Speaker 1: this game. And it's going to be very interesting to

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Speaker 1: see what Todd Bowles has up his sleeve this time

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Speaker 1: instead of maybe the single high safety that Mahomes was

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Speaker 1: facing last time when Tyreek Hill in that game. He

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Speaker 1: had over two hundred yards receiving in the first quarter

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Speaker 1: of that game, which went round up being Now Bulls

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Speaker 1: made adjustments as that game went on and it wound

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Speaker 1: up being a good game. Twenty seven twenty four Kansas

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Speaker 1: City one. But I'm so you're taking the Chiefs, Everson

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Speaker 1: Nicky're taking the check who the chief Chiefs? And I'll

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Speaker 1: take the Chiefs also, So there you go. We're in agreement.

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Speaker 1: We're picking against Tom Brady. Go no, no, we're picking

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Speaker 1: against the Bucks. Damn it. Everybody's all right, that does it?

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Speaker 1: And I got to score. It's gonna be twenty to nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Ryan suck Up's gonna miss a field goal on the

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Speaker 1: last play of the game, thirty years after. Scott Norwood.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk at you again next Tuesday. Here

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Speaker 1: on Mix Shots Go Cowboys. This has been a production

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