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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Thursday, February fifth, and ladies,

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Speaker 2: guess what. We have a stacked night of headlines. Listen,

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Speaker 2: we finally have movement. Finally, it seems in the Celeste revs.

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Speaker 2: Hernandez case. Ideally there is an arrest soon. I know,

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Speaker 2: we've been talking about this for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: Plus we have to find Savannah Guthrie's mom. Nancy is

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Speaker 2: still missing, said to have been abducted, and the family

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Speaker 2: is reaching out yet again. And also later on the show,

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Speaker 2: we're going to have investigative journalists Haley Fox and Betsy

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Speaker 2: Shepherd and they're going to unpack all of the information

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Speaker 2: about their true crime podcast, Valley of Shadows. Really good,

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Speaker 2: so we're happy to have them here. I'm Stephanie Leidecker,

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Speaker 2: and I'm here of course every night with Courtney Armstrong

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Speaker 2: and Body movin Hell. We have a full house. We

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Speaker 2: have Taha, we have Sam and Adam and man, we

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Speaker 2: have a lot to get to. Yeah, we do you

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Speaker 2: want to start? You guys are ready for the super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm going to the super Bowl party. You are

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Speaker 3: not going to that? Are you in person? I'm literally

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Speaker 3: leaving the house. No, get dressed in everything? Are you

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Speaker 3: making so very safe? I feel like it's going to

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Speaker 3: be so nutty. There's so many pieces in this particular

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Speaker 2: Is it doubt? I think that there's like a lot

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Speaker 2: of talk about, you know, bad Bunny being the headliner,

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Speaker 2: and is that going to have an impact on any

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Speaker 2: nice things? There's lots of chatter, you know, we've talked

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes that allegedly sex trafficking is it's the highest,

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Speaker 2: specifically during super Bowl weekend. So this is like a

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Speaker 2: and then there's a secondary super Bowl show happening. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's all kinds of rock. Seems like there's a lot

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Speaker 2: hear all about it. Number one. Yeah, I'm well, it's

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a small just my close friend.

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Speaker 3: It's not It's not like I should say I should

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Speaker 2: It's not really going. I thought you were going to

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Speaker 2: the actual super Bowl. No, a super Bowl party, like

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Speaker 2: just a No, I'm the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I just I just watched the commercials and like the

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Speaker 3: And I you know, I like the team. Who has

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Speaker 3: a very sharp uniform. Anyway, I have a David update.

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Speaker 4: Oh finally, you know.

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Speaker 3: I wish there was more than you know than there is.

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Speaker 3: But you know, Neosa or Neo David's friend. Neo his

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Speaker 3: name is Neil Langston and he's like a streamer and

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Speaker 3: like David's like best friend, okay, and he appeared before

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Speaker 3: the LA Grand Jury yesterday to testify about David's connection

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Speaker 3: to the death of fourteen year old you know, Victim

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Speaker 3: celestreevas Hernandez. Celeste's body was found inside remember of David's

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Speaker 3: right and you know, the words people are using is

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Speaker 3: a major homicide investigation.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't really feel like it's major, does it.

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Speaker 2: It feels like it's taken a very long time and

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Speaker 2: it seems as though we definitely have not seen David

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Speaker 3: like not even in the Inquirer or TMZ. I mean,

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Speaker 2: And hopefully whoever committed this crime to pour Celeste, you know,

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Speaker 3: Well, he testified in front of the grand jury, and

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Speaker 3: and questioning witnesses. But unfortunately, again we don't have any details.

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Speaker 2: All those pretty quick, they say, like that was pretty quick,

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, And I kind of wonder maybe it was

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Speaker 7: do you know the person? Like those really uh simple

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Speaker 3: So that's true, That is true. They do take a while.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just kind of wondering and listen, I have

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Speaker 2: Could he taken a deal? Is that possible?

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Speaker 3: So there's a you know, a couple of different reasons stuff.

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Speaker 2: Sure I'm wrong, But like, I can't imagine why this

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, obviously there is somebody capable about roaming

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Speaker 3: detectives in LA have identified a second possible suspect who

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Speaker 2: But we don't know who the you know that is.

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Speaker 3: She might be contracted with them, but she stated the

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Speaker 2: You know, many things have happened since this, you know, Tracy,

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Speaker 2: there seems to be still no arrest. They had. You know,

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Speaker 2: shocking to me that there's no answers on Yeah, what is.

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Speaker 3: It six months now since September and think about what

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Speaker 2: You're right, exactly, all the stuff that has happened.

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Speaker 2: So that's where we are with David Well, thinking about

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and of course as soon as there is more

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I could talk about this for a while. I

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Speaker 4: Eighty four year old Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 7: She is the mother of Today's Star co anchor Savannah Guthrie,

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Speaker 4: It's been a potential kidnapping.

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Speaker 7: There have been ransom letters that have been sent to

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Speaker 7: media outlets and today this is really disgusting. Today authorities

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Speaker 4: Well, hoping to get some bitcoins.

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Speaker 7: But what I can say is Derek Kalela. He was

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Speaker 2: Oh what a Sickoh can we just stop for a

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Speaker 2: second and really just take that in? Take that in.

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Speaker 2: really look at these videos of the Guthrie family and

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Speaker 2: it is like you think you're watching an HBO show.

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Speaker 2: It's not. This is like the real world. That's not

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Speaker 2: clear Danes playing Savannah. You know, this is Savannah Guthrie,

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Speaker 2: Like for what reason? It couldn't possibly be somebody in

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Speaker 7: So absolutely, and one one of the reported ransom letters

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Speaker 7: Right, And in fact, the FBI and the Pima County

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Speaker 2: Wow, So what do you guys think? What is your

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body move in. Listen. We're taking a

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Speaker 3: So I kind of want to briefly go over the

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Speaker 3: So January thirty first, at five thirty two, Nancy traveled

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Speaker 3: and then at about four hours later, at nine forty eight,

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's nobody that would have been her, right like

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Speaker 3: For sure at two twenty eight am, her pacemaker app

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Speaker 2: She got out a distance. So that was the struggle

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Speaker 2: by the door. She probably got herself being you know,

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Speaker 2: this is another shocking detail you're sharing, right. What was

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Speaker 3: The neighbor said, Courtney, you were telling me the neighbor

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Speaker 7: So one of Nancy Guthrie's neighbors reported what they saw

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Speaker 2: Which would apply like a scout, you know, you know,

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Speaker 7: No, right, and that you know what was suspicious to

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 2: This is so odd to me.

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Speaker 3: So one forty seven am, the doorbell camera disconnects one am,

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Speaker 3: How can it text somebody on the camera after it's

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Speaker 2: I thought the camera was indoors. That they're saying, they

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Speaker 8: I have a ring cam and I can disconnect it

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Speaker 3: So I saw something interesting when you know, because police

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Speaker 3: Celebrate is like the software they use. It's a tool

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: So that's what gets you know, all the information about

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Speaker 2: What what happened.

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Speaker 2: That's what I had heard that The speculation was. This

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Speaker 7: One other thing that I saw just recently the Sheriff's

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Speaker 2: What wow, calling the well. I think this is an

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Speaker 2: law enforcement in their direction. To me, that is such

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Speaker 2: a hideous low of a human being to do that.

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine something lower, Like what do they

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Speaker 2: get for that? That was such a terrible thing to do.

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Speaker 4: Shame on him, I know, I know. Well yeah, and

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Speaker 4: it's it's two separate things.

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Speaker 7: So, Stephanie, you're totally right about Derek Kalela, who sent

444
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Speaker 7: the bitcoin related text to the Guthrie family, means to

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Speaker 7: extort them. Separately, the Sheriff's office is asking the public

446
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Speaker 7: at large who has well meaning wishes to please not

447
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Speaker 7: call the tip line and send condolences, right right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, our hearts are with them, and we really do

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Speaker 3: hope there's some breaking news soon and that she's well

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Speaker 3: and good. This is True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio, Imbody

451
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Speaker 3: Movin and I'm here with Courtney and stuff, and we

452
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Speaker 3: were right in the middle of talking about the Nancy

453
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Speaker 3: Guthrie case. If you want to weigh in, give us

454
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Speaker 3: a call eight to eight thirty one Prime or download

455
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app and leave us a talk back in Boom.

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Speaker 2: You're on the show. It's crazy. It's just a believable story.

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Speaker 2: What are we next?

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Speaker 6: What do we well?

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Speaker 8: I was going to suggest I received a letter from

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Speaker 8: one of our listeners that it's a little heavy and

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Speaker 8: it's sort of you know, everyone has an opinion, so

462
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Speaker 8: barely I'm going to share this one. But this letter

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Speaker 8: came from a listener by the name of Lisa. Lisa says,

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Speaker 8: and this has to do with our coverage of ice,

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Speaker 8: So we're going to probably dig into this a little

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Speaker 8: a little bit. More greetings from Ohio. First, I want

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Speaker 8: to say I've been listening to you from day one,

468
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Speaker 8: and as a true crime junkie have loved the show.

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Speaker 8: I have admired that you are very ethical and that

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Speaker 8: you won't report rumors. You make sure you state allegedly

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Speaker 8: allegedly allegedly and remind us that the suspect is innocent

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Speaker 8: until found guilty. I have to say that from my perspective,

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Speaker 8: you're sharing of the events in the Minneapolis have veered

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Speaker 8: from what I have admired so much about your podcast.

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Speaker 8: I don't want to hear one side of the story.

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Speaker 8: I want to hear the perspective of all sides of

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Speaker 8: the story. My question about Minneapolis, which are unanswered, are first,

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Speaker 8: ICE agents have been to other sanctuary cities with very

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Speaker 8: different outcomes. Why is that and is there a root

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Speaker 8: cause here that we are not identifying. Also, what happened

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Speaker 8: prior to the shooting of Miss Good and mister Pretty

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Speaker 8: do we know? We look into these events and other

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Speaker 8: shooting desks. Has this been looked into? It seems to

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Speaker 8: me that several of you have determined the ICE agent

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Speaker 8: is guilty without a trial. Thank you for listening to

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Speaker 8: my feedback, Lisa, so I wanted to that.

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Speaker 2: Was a long one, throwing get through that was very preciful. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: very thoughtful.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I definitely understand, you know what where

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Speaker 3: she's coming from. And listen, everybody feels how they feel, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm certainly not offended, you know, if she doesn't appreciate

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Speaker 3: the coverage that you know, I've offered at least, right, and.

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Speaker 2: I can receive her doing listen. No, I think it's

494
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 2: also everybody is so divided right now, nice rios, it's

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Speaker 2: really easy to get charged up. So like, why don't

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Speaker 2: we go through it. Let's go through the questions one

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Speaker 2: had time? I thought those were very thoughtful. All right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's do it. So what was the first one again?

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Speaker 8: Okay, so her first one was basically in general, ICE

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Speaker 8: agents have been to other sanctuary cities with very different outcomes.

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Speaker 6: Why is that?

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Speaker 8: Is there a root cause here that we are not identifying?

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Speaker 8: So let's unpack that first.

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Speaker 2: It is different.

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Speaker 3: It is this is the largest immigration enforcement that has

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Speaker 3: been conducted in history. So there's been a build up

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Speaker 3: of three I think I think they said three thousand

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Speaker 3: federal agent that I've been deployed to Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: And that was because of the Somalia case. You know,

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Speaker 2: you'll remember also some initial context here, which I just

511
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Speaker 2: think it's a little loss in the sauce too. And again,

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Speaker 2: anybody who wants to join this convo or ask any

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Speaker 2: questions eight eight eight three one crime I am. We

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Speaker 2: do not claim to have all the answers, but I

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Speaker 2: think it's important that we just sort of go through.

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Speaker 2: I think that ICE was being deployed because there was

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Speaker 2: these new breaks in this case regarding kindergartens and preschools

518
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Speaker 2: that were being allegedly misrun, and therefore that was like

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Speaker 2: a big reason for the push of ICE. Am I

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Speaker 2: wrong about that? It stems from that.

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Speaker 3: But my understanding of the Somali it was like I

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Speaker 3: think it's being called the Somali fraud daycare stuff, right,

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Speaker 3: that goes back to like COVID times.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, it's not even a new case. It's

525
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Speaker 2: not exact new this for such a long time.

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Speaker 3: But there's a YouTuber who basically did this expose on

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Speaker 3: it and really amped up, you know, the base about

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Speaker 3: this this fraud and acted like it was a new

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Speaker 3: thing that he kind of exposed. But in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: well actually it's not really my opinion, and he didn't

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Speaker 3: expose it. It's it's been a thing and has been

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Speaker 3: a problem since right before COVID, right, and I want

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Speaker 3: to say twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, I might I might

534
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Speaker 3: have the dates wrong on that. So you know, ICE

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Speaker 3: was deployed and they called it like operation what was it?

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Speaker 3: You guys remember Operation Metro Surge, And you know it

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Speaker 3: was three thousand, which is the largest in history, and

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Speaker 3: it was very public and you know, you've got guys

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Speaker 3: are running around with masks on and whatnot. And you

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Speaker 3: know in Minneapolis has a history of you know, violent

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Speaker 3: crimes against civilians with the George Floyd thing, and so

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Speaker 3: they're already mobilized, so you have to understand the environment

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Speaker 3: that we're in, right, And I think that's why it's

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Speaker 3: a little different than.

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Speaker 2: The police force there have really worked hard to be

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Speaker 2: able to even come back from what was a bad,

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Speaker 2: a bad stretch, right, So I would say the police

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Speaker 2: in Minneapolis have really had to come back from that

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Speaker 2: Georgia really experience. Yeah, they really have. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's why it's different than other sanctuary cities.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, I totally agree.

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Speaker 7: And one thing I just I take great issue with

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Speaker 7: this and the alleged misappropriation of I think it was, yeah,

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Speaker 7: one hundred more than one hundred million dollars from these

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Speaker 7: daycares and nurseries. That's egregious, that's horrible. That is criminal

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Speaker 7: and should be investigated. However, of course it's not happening

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Speaker 7: out on the street stealing ten dollars at a time

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Speaker 7: from people's pockets. This is happening in office buildings and

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Speaker 7: should be investigated by someone who was in.

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Speaker 4: The money in monetary exactly, a monetary.

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Speaker 2: Forensic ex military operation.

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Speaker 6: That is.

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Speaker 4: Kindergartens. Right, it's separate, but yes, that is the.

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Speaker 3: Going into pizzerias, in taking cooks out of the kitchen.

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Speaker 3: They're not you know, you know what I mean, like

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Speaker 3: going into the back office and.

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Speaker 2: Right, and again my opinion doesn't matter, but I think

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Speaker 2: all sides of this would say, on the one hand,

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Speaker 2: you know, these are sensitive things and it's all nuanced

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Speaker 2: and it's feeling oh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the time.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're going to continue this conversation, and Lisa, we're

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Speaker 7: going to dig further into the questions of the letter

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Speaker 7: you wrote in.

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Speaker 2: And if you're just joining us, we're kind of unpacking

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Speaker 2: all things just ice sharing our thoughts so grateful to

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Speaker 2: have the second to unpack them. So we're getting through

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Speaker 2: a letter, but we're going to pause for one second

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Speaker 2: because we have a live caller, Cat on the line.

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Speaker 10: Hi, Cat, Hi, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, We're so happy to have you. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 6: Cat?

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Speaker 10: Well, I just wanted I just wanted to say that

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Speaker 10: I really appreciate that. Emily said, she wants your program

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Speaker 10: to focus on the facts, because it is a fact

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Speaker 10: that a federal agent employed by our own government utilized

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Speaker 10: lethal force against the citizens during an altercation that did

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Speaker 10: not rise to the threat level that warrants the use

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Speaker 10: of lethal force, and so I would encourage Emily to

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Speaker 10: meditate on that fact.

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Speaker 7: One of the most I thought it was just interesting

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Speaker 7: interviews i've heard. It was Brian O'Hara, he's the chief

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Speaker 7: of police in Minneapolis, and he talked about what you mentioned, Stephanie,

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Speaker 7: just the training. He said, well, you know in Renee

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Speaker 7: Good there were two ice officers and he said normally,

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Speaker 7: he said, you know, you watch this and you wonder

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Speaker 7: what is the intent? Whereas with police officers, we go

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Speaker 7: with intent up to a car and also have the

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Speaker 7: same communication and sure working in tandem.

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Speaker 4: That did not appear to be the case.

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Speaker 7: You don't stand in front of a vehicle ever, you don't,

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Speaker 7: like there are just many levels of strength.

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Speaker 2: Attire, not the woman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just broken down really exactly.

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Speaker 2: And again, you don't know what happens, you know, if

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Speaker 2: we're going to offer grace, you know, on the other side,

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Speaker 2: you don't know what happens in the moment people freak out.

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Speaker 2: It's a moment. But this was also a repeat moment

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Speaker 2: of getting in front of the car. And you also,

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Speaker 2: you know, shouldn't flee a scene. We are so respectful

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Speaker 2: of officers. Absolutely, That's why I think this is so complicated,

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Speaker 2: and that's why it's so urdful too. Like I have

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Speaker 2: a really high regard for law enforcement, I really do.

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Speaker 2: Like I have cops in my family, saying cops. I

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Speaker 2: grew up with amazing, amazing men and women, And I

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Speaker 2: hold that you're practically a detective yourself, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know it's a sacred thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a sacred thing. And it's so disappointing. And

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Speaker 3: like you said, this was a repeat thing, not only

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Speaker 3: with what you mentioned stuff, but three bullets that we

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Speaker 3: know of, right, So yeah, in ten or nine with Alex,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 7: So then Lisa just to go back to your you know,

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Speaker 7: thoughtfully written letter, your second so.

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Speaker 2: Just not an attack on Lisa.

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Speaker 6: Oh no, no at all.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know that. I know, you know, back

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Speaker 2: to Lisa.

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Speaker 7: So you know, we spoke a little bit earlier about

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Speaker 7: what is different in the Sanctuary Cities. And then another

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Speaker 7: one of the questions was what happened prior to the

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Speaker 7: shootings of miss Good and mister Pretty And you know,

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Speaker 7: you comment that we look into what the events and

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Speaker 7: other shootings, why not this one?

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Speaker 3: My whole thing with what were they? What were they

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Speaker 3: doing before the shootings? It kind's a little triggering, and

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest, it's a little triggering.

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Speaker 3: And the reason I feel like it's a little triggering

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Speaker 3: is like when you when you're a woman and you

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Speaker 3: you call the police and you say I've just been

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Speaker 3: sexually assaulted. They don't ask you what were you wearing?

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Speaker 3: And I feel like that's what it's like. Because we

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Speaker 3: have video of these assassinations, these murders, and what they

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Speaker 3: were doing when they got shot is what matters to me.

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Speaker 3: What they were doing prior to me and I listen,

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Speaker 3: I'm open to being wrong about this.

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Speaker 2: You're not wrong, No, you're not. I'm just saying I

648
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Speaker 2: feel right.

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Speaker 3: Sure doesn't necessarily hold that much weight.

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Speaker 2: But what we do know is that.

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Speaker 3: Renee Good she had dropped her six year old off

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Speaker 3: at school. She had a dog in the back and

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Speaker 3: with her wife, and they were driving home and as

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Speaker 3: they drove, she encountered ICE agents from the Operation Metro

655
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Speaker 3: Surge and stopped her vehicle. But we don't know, I mean,

656
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Speaker 3: we don't have video of it.

657
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: Right, was go to This is the other side of

658
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: that is people say that she was going with the

659
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: intent to just been there before, she was going to

660
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Speaker 2: go there to disrupt. That's the other side of.

661
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Speaker 3: It, right, And I listen, I support that though, you

662
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's hard for me to say, Oh,

663
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but you do put yourself in danger,

664
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Speaker 3: you know when you do that.

665
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Speaker 2: Right, I think that's yeah, what need you do I do?

666
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Speaker 4: Just because Lisa, I think it's really valid.

667
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Speaker 7: I hear what you're saying and the analogy of sexual assault.

668
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 7: I mean that I understand how that would sit with

669
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 7: someone really validly. However, I think context is key. In everything,

670
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 7: and what was you know, did we don't know what

671
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 7: the conversation was between renee Good and the agent, and

672
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 7: and I do think, you know, looking into events leading

673
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Speaker 7: up to any incident.

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Speaker 4: Sure is so anyway, I'm just saying I valid.

675
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 6: I think it's valid too.

676
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: But if if somebody is pointing a gun at someone, right,

677
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: and and the cops are like, drop your drop your weapon,

678
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: drop your weapon, and the suspect drops their weapon, they

679
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 3: don't shoot that person.

680
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 4: They don't.

681
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Speaker 3: Just even if I said, even if I said renee

682
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 3: Good was pointing a gun at them and drop the weapon, like,

683
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 3: does that justify her being shocked three times?

684
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? We we just had this.

685
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: We literally just had a conversation even earlier today just

686
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: with someone close to law enforcement, just basically saying, you know,

687
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: in those situations when you feel as though you're in danger,

688
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, if you know the other side to this

689
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: is that they felt they were in danger with a

690
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: vehicle about to run them over, Perhaps you're de escalating, right,

691
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: so you are popping their tire. You're creating boundaries like

692
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: that is the job, right is to create safe boundaries strategically.

693
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: It's it's more.

694
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Speaker 3: It's emotion a two right, It's like it's like just

695
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: watching I feel like people are just handing over our

696
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: civil liberties to the basic kindness. It's crazy to me.

697
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: It's crazy to me. I'm allowed to protest. I'm allowed

698
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: absolutely First Amendment that I'm allowed to scream and yell.

699
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: I'm allowed to hold a sign, I'm allowed to disrupt.

700
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm allowed to do. So what if you're kicking in

701
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: a kicking in a vehicle light in the back of

702
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: law enforcement? Are you talking about the Alex Pretty?

703
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Speaker 3: So that's that's an interesting interesting question, right, that was

704
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: a even if he even happened, right, can you describe

705
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: what you're you guys said there was a video put

706
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: out and in the video it was like a week

707
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: or something like thirteen days of ten days something before

708
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 3: the Alex Pretty got shot.

709
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: And it's a video already was a nurse. He was

710
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: like very beloved, His parents loved him. And when this

711
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: incident occurred against Ice, there was a quick association to

712
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: him and being it was like a terrorist you know

713
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: scenario and bad guy. Right, that's what came from like

714
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: the ICE officials, right, And then it turned out he

715
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: was like a good guy, you know, and he was

716
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: just there. But there was a video. Did you see

717
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: this video though? That was put out? Yeah, that came

718
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: out four which made it confusing.

719
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 3: Right, but it so what it is is Alex Pretty

720
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: confronting ice agents and yelling at them, spitting even, right,

721
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 3: but it happened eleven days prior, and a lot of

722
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Speaker 3: people AI experts have said it's fake because like when

723
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Speaker 3: you look at it, you don't you know how doors

724
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: when they have a line going down them because doors open. Yeah,

725
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: this vehicle doesn't have those. The tail light doesn't pop

726
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: off that way. But in this video when you can,

727
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: he's spitting at the ice officers and kicking the tail

728
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: light off. So, but I have to give both sides

729
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: because there aren't experts that say it's real and experts

730
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: at say it's false. And Alex Pretty's lawyer said he

731
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: didn't deny it was fake. Right, he didn't deny it

732
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: was fake, but he said, even if it's real, it

733
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 3: happened to eleven days prior.

734
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Speaker 2: Right, doesn't. Well, let's unpack that though. Let's assume it's real.

735
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: Let's let's assume it's real. Things are true, Let's just

736
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: go let's assume that is, you know, he is anti

737
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: ice and part time nurse, part time you know, protester

738
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Speaker 2: and had gone eleven days prior and got a little

739
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Speaker 2: out of hand and did what is illegal you know,

740
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if it's a yeah, it's

741
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: a legal. You shouldn't show you that, we know everyone

742
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: knows better than that. Shouldn't kick out the vehicle's light

743
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: or sin. I mean, come on, so now maybe you've

744
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: made yourself a target with that particular grouping of law

745
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: enforcement or this is like kind of like your thing.

746
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: You're like a little bit extra right now. Either way,

747
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: let's just go there. Okay, So now cut to eleven

748
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: days lot later, he's at it again, you know, given

749
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 2: him hell, and does that justify getting killed.

750
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Speaker 6: Shot in the back multiple times.

751
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: I'm not even saying that he shouldn't be like serving

752
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: time and that's like the guy somebody.

753
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 4: And he should be kicking.

754
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: On law enforcements doors. That also could be perceived if

755
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: your law enforcement as dangerous like some stone at us

756
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: and they're putting their lives on the line.

757
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 8: People have done much worse, and we have not heard

758
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 8: about people being shot in the back. We've covered cases

759
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 8: It doesn't warrant killing someone for kicking out a light

760
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 8: or spitting at someone to me.

761
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 2: So it's I think we all can see both sides

762
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: of this. This is not anti law enforcement all. No,

763
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: and the masks a little bit. The optics of it

764
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 2: is so scary. Yeah, it's harder to see it.

765
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Speaker 3: I saw one yesterday in Minneapolis wearing one of those

766
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: like skull masks. I was like, is that really what

767
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: you want to like present yourself to be?

768
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Speaker 11: Like?

769
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: When I think of like federal agents, I think of

770
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 3: like the g men, right, like the cool professional like gangsters,

771
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like just slick as can be.

772
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: Right.

773
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Speaker 3: When I think of the federal government, I think of

774
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Speaker 3: professional like the best training in the world.

775
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: Quantico. I think of silence of the lambs and they're

776
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: running the laps.

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00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: You know that's maybe that's a fantasy, you know what

778
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: I mean, Maybe that's just not modern. But wearing like

779
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: a skull mask in civilian clothing with your tape over

780
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: your your id, like, no, absolutely not.

781
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: Well, the scarier thing would be that the optics also

782
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: could stretch somebody who just as a predator, who's just

783
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: going to you know, wear some ice clothes and glasses, right,

784
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: and can just jump on anyone like that. I guess

785
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: is the next generation of this, right, So god forbid,

786
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: I think the next generation. It's all getting under control.

787
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: But it's it's just regulating. So what other questions did

788
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: Linda have for Lisa have for us?

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Speaker 6: I think I think that was the.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And if you want, we can end on a

791
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 8: talkback that actually has something very positive to say about

792
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Speaker 8: our Yeah.

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00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: I need something positive. Please, let's let's end on that.

794
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 4: No, but thank you.

795
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. You know, we're just tort a lot

796
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: of ways, your conversations or what puts us forward, right, Yeah,

797
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 2: we have to kind of appreciate the conversation, yeah, from

798
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Speaker 2: each other. So yeah, Lisa, keep it coming, keep it coming.

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Speaker 12: Yes, Ba, I'm not friend, but I am from Canada.

800
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Speaker 12: I just really want to say to all of the

801
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 12: Americans out there, everything is designed right now to divide

802
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 12: you into little groups because little groups that are fighting

803
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 12: against each other are easier to control. So stay strong,

804
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 12: stay together, stay kind.

805
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Speaker 7: Well, thank you everyone for all of your input and listen,

806
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Speaker 7: stick around because we're very excited. Coming up at the

807
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Speaker 7: top of the hour, we're going to be joined by

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Speaker 7: Haley Fox and Betsy Shepherd. They are the journalists behind

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Speaker 7: Valley of Shadows and amazing new podcast, and we are

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Speaker 7: going to hear all about it.

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Speaker 4: We've got that more true crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm talking

813
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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here as

814
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Speaker 2: always with Courtney Armstrong and body move in. So listen,

815
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Speaker 2: keep the conversation coming. If you want to join us

816
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: eight eight eight three one crime. We love the live

817
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Speaker 2: calls and yeah, please leave us a talk back on

818
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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. Lots of heavy conversations tonight. The world

819
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Speaker 2: is wild, so we wanted just keep sharing, keep it coming.

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Speaker 2: But first listen, we have Betsy Shepherd and I believe

821
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Speaker 2: Haley Fax is joining. Adam's going to let us know

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Speaker 2: when we have both at the same time. But they're

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Speaker 2: here to unpack a little of the behind the behind

824
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Speaker 2: the curtain in their true crime podcast, Valley of Shadows,

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Speaker 2: also on iHeart iHeart of course, yes, and I'm so

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Speaker 2: you're excited.

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Speaker 7: We talk about so many unsolved cases, but listen, behind

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Speaker 7: all of them, it's the personal story, it's the families,

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Speaker 7: that are waiting for answers, and Stephanie obviously you know

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Speaker 7: us and body we know that better than anyone following

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Speaker 7: cases for a long time. So and you know, tonight

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Speaker 7: we get to hear one of those. And this one

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Speaker 7: we're going to go all the way back to nineteen

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Speaker 7: ninety eight and it was Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputy

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Speaker 7: Auj excuse me, John Auj, and he went for a

836
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 7: run out in Antelope Valley and never came back. His death,

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00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 7: of course, was ruled a suicide, but that never seemed

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Speaker 7: to jive with family and others in his life.

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Speaker 6: So and what.

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Speaker 7: This whole case is, it's now the focus of the

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Speaker 7: investigative podcast Valley of Shadows.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, and do we have Haley and Betsy?

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Speaker 6: I think we might just have Betsy for now.

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Speaker 2: So, Hey, Betsy, Betty, I'm always so curious. I'm always

845
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: so curious how you come to a story. Like sometimes

846
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: I can speak for us, you know, sometimes a story

847
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 2: just hits like a bag of bricks for for real,

848
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: no good reason, and you can't even explain it.

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Speaker 4: How did this story come across your radar?

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Speaker 10: So I.

851
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Speaker 11: Was working on a different investigative story and reached out

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Speaker 11: to a former member of the La County Sheriff's Department.

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00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 11: He was the captain of major crimes back in the

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Speaker 11: nineties and you know, during the time of John Aujay's disappearance,

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Speaker 11: and he just came out with this wild story, and

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Speaker 11: you know it, it really struck me because working as

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Speaker 11: a reporter, law enforcement is very rarely I mean oftentimes

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00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,959
Speaker 11: not friendly to the press, but certainly not. It's very

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Speaker 11: unusual for a former member of law enforcement to show

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Speaker 11: more outrage and their grievances against their former department. And

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Speaker 11: just hearing the emotion in this person's voice and really

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00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 11: wanting somebody to look into the story, you know, that

863
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 11: was very compelling to me. I was like, there is

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Speaker 11: a story here. Just in the tenor of his voice,

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Speaker 11: I could tell that something was not right. And you know,

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Speaker 11: very often there is kind of a shield, a blue

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Speaker 11: wall of silence.

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Speaker 6: If you will.

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Speaker 11: So that's what initially piqued my interest. And the more

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Speaker 11: we looked into it, you know, the plot digins.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because that is such a real relationship because remember,

872
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: oftentimes for our listen you know, if listeners know this too,

873
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: like you know, you could be interrupting an investigation. You know,

874
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: sometimes law enforcement has to keep things close to the

875
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: vest and they can't be announcing every tip and clue

876
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: or sometimes they want the help. But you know, that

877
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: could actually be very meaningful helpful. So it's unique. Yeah,

878
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: to your point that someone's willing to go all the

879
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: way that way.

880
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I you know what happened is that this

881
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 11: particular character, who character this particular source, I think he

882
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 11: just reached within. You know, he had tried to compel

883
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 11: the Sheriff's department and their homicide bureau to do more

884
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 11: and was really disappointed and flummoxed by why there was

885
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 11: an action, and so he ended up doing his own

886
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 11: private investigation. I had been investigating John Aujay's disappearance for decades,

887
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 11: and you know, has been trying to get the story

888
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 11: out in the public. And so I feel really lucky

889
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 11: that I got to be on the other end of

890
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 11: that phone call.

891
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 4: Man. I could really see how that would light a

892
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 4: fire under you.

893
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 7: It's it is so rare to have the instance you're

894
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Speaker 7: talking about. So listen for instant For listeners who don't

895
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 7: know about this case, can you explain what happened literally

896
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 7: the day of John always disappearance.

897
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 11: Yeah, like you said, we're going to time travel back

898
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Speaker 11: to the nineties. You know, it's a very different time.

899
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 11: But sadly it seems that, you know, the culture at

900
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 11: the Sheriff's department hasn't changed a lot since then. So

901
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 11: it was he disappeared on June eleventh, nineteen ninety eight.

902
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Speaker 13: It was his day off.

903
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Speaker 11: As you mentioned, John Aujay was an La County Sheriff's deputy,

904
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Speaker 11: but he wasn't your typical patrol deputy. He was actually

905
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Speaker 11: a member of elite swat team called the Special Enforcement Bureau.

906
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 11: He was a tough guy. He was a you know,

907
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 11: he was a rifleman, he worked the swat team. He

908
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 11: was a Key nine officer, he was former military, and

909
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 11: he was an outdoor enthusiast. He was a ultra marathon runner,

910
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 11: and all of that plays into his disappearance and the

911
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 11: mystery rounding it because he was spending his day off

912
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Speaker 11: doing what he did. You know how he spent most

913
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Speaker 11: of his free time, which was running and training for

914
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Speaker 11: an upcoming ultra marathon. So he would go out into

915
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Speaker 11: the wilderness and he would run through this really rugged

916
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Speaker 11: desert terrain, sometimes up to one hundred miles at a time.

917
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Speaker 11: So he was a bit of a you know, had

918
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Speaker 11: some like superhuman strength and endurance, and he kind of

919
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 11: thought that he likes to go to He would go

920
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Speaker 11: out running at a place called the Devil's Punchile, a

921
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 11: county park north of Los Angeles, kind of where the

922
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 11: San Gabriel Moultains desert. Yeah it is. Have you been

923
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 11: out there?

924
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: I have. That's so interesting. Yeah, I can kind of

925
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Speaker 2: picture it.

926
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Speaker 14: Sorry, continue, It's a very like unearthly environment and I

927
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Speaker 14: cannot imagine jogging there, much less jogging you know that day,

928
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Speaker 14: you know, estimated that he had run fifty miles that day.

929
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Speaker 11: So so yeah, he was. It was like he would

930
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Speaker 11: spend the day out in the desert going on these

931
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Speaker 11: long runs. He leaves his house john a day, leaves

932
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 11: his house late morning, gets to the park sometime before noon,

933
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Speaker 11: and then the rest of the day he spends, you know,

934
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Speaker 11: jogging through the desert up these mountain passes, through these

935
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Speaker 11: forested areas. And we know this because several witnesses spotted

936
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Speaker 11: him throughout the day from the time he arrived, and

937
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 11: some witnesses even kind of saw him turning back on

938
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Speaker 11: a loop headed back to the parking lot, but he

939
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Speaker 11: never made it back to his trek some oh round us.

940
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Speaker 11: As darkness is descending on the punch bowl, he just

941
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Speaker 11: vanishes into thin air.

942
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I.

943
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 7: Thought, if you are just joining us, this is true

944
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 7: crime tonight. And we are so excited to have the

945
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 7: hosts of the podcast Valley of the Shadows, and we

946
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 7: have Haley Fox and Betsy Shepherd, and they are walking

947
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 7: us through just the very beginning of what happened back

948
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 7: in nineteen ninety eight when a sheriff's deputy went for

949
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 7: a run in the Antelope Valley and never came back. Okay,

950
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 7: so continue where you were. So he's on his run,

951
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 7: and Haley, we are so grateful to have you.

952
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 11: Oh great, it works.

953
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 15: I'm on hi Hi.

954
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So we have double trouble. Yeah, we're edge of

955
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: our seats right now, getting a little caught up. We're

956
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: on this very horrifying run in the desert.

957
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Speaker 11: Yes, I know, I left y'all on a real cliffhanger,

958
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 11: really did. Okay, So John Aujay is seen headed back

959
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 11: towards the parking lot, but he never makes it there,

960
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 11: and it's like, you know, he disappeared sometime out sun

961
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 11: set around dusk when the you know, sun is setting

962
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 11: on the punch bowl. A couple hours go by his wife,

963
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 11: it becomes increasingly panicked and she eventually he had it. Yeah,

964
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Speaker 11: he had a family and his wife was a He

965
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 11: had told his wife that he would be home before dark,

966
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Speaker 11: so you know, she did it sometime. But she eventually

967
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 11: reaches out to the La County Shoff's department. His employer,

968
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Speaker 11: his employer who he worked for. She knows these guys.

969
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 11: She calls him to report her husband missing and they

970
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 11: send out some patrol officers. They find his truck, they

971
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 11: find no trace of him, and then they then they

972
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Speaker 11: start a search and rescue mission and you know, and

973
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Speaker 11: they find no signs of him. So it just seems

974
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 11: as though he vanishes into thin And it should be

975
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 11: said that, you know, people do disappear out in the

976
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Speaker 11: desert if you live in La you know, we read

977
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 11: these headlines all the time, but this was a pretty

978
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Speaker 11: unique instance because most of the time when people disappear

979
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 11: on a hike, they they get lost and instead of

980
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Speaker 11: going back to their car, they keep going into the desert.

981
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 11: They become dehydrated, they they get injured, something like that.

982
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 11: But what we know about John Ajay is that he

983
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 11: was incredibly fit. Some people describe him as having near

984
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 11: superhuman abilities. And he was very familiar with the Devil's

985
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 11: Punch Bowl area because he would go running there very regularly.

986
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 11: And you know, he was in the military, so a

987
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 11: lot of people describe him as a survivalist type. So

988
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 11: that's another element to this story, is like, how could

989
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 11: this guy get lost? And basically what was you know,

990
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 11: his playgrounds.

991
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: And that I guess, So that seems to me, there's

992
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: only a couple of options, Right, did he injure himself

993
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: and was you know, forced to just curl up and

994
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: he's out there but he hasn't been identified, or was

995
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: there something more nefarious at play?

996
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 11: You know those all there was a plethora of theories

997
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 11: that you know, circulated. But one thing that you know,

998
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 11: we have the advantage of time is you know, thirty

999
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 11: years later, his body has never been found. So if

1000
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 11: he had gotten injured, if he had had some kind

1001
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 11: of running with wildlife, you know, there likely would be

1002
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 11: some trace of him, some remains. But like I said,

1003
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Speaker 11: this continues to be a true mystery. As far as

1004
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 11: the public is concerned. And the more we started to

1005
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 11: investigat we the more we realized that there was a

1006
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 11: lot going on behind the scenes that the Sheriff's department

1007
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 11: knew about and we're not telling the publics.

1008
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 7: So I have a question what because it would seem

1009
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 7: in the instance everything that you guys just describe that

1010
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 7: the most logical thing would be again, he twisted his

1011
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 7: ankle and you know, fell in something that happened. How

1012
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 7: did the ruling go to suicide? And you know, what

1013
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 7: were the circumstances around that, right.

1014
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 10: So.

1015
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 15: It started off, you know, like Bessie said, he's out there,

1016
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 15: he's a survivalist. Everyone doesn't understand how we.

1017
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 11: Could kind of just drop off the Vanish Vanish exactly.

1018
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 15: And according to the Sheriff's Department at the time, they

1019
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 15: basically are working towards this conclusion of him dying by

1020
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 15: suicide by pointing to things.

1021
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 11: That were going on in John au Jay's life.

1022
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Speaker 15: So, for example, we learned that au Jay was having

1023
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Speaker 15: marital problems at this time. Him and his wife had

1024
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 15: been having issues for over a year and a half.

1025
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Speaker 15: They had been to see a therapist. Things were kind

1026
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 15: of unraveling at home. According to some accounts we heard,

1027
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Speaker 15: he was also dealing with some of his own kind

1028
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 15: of emotional issues. He was becoming more withdrawn. There were

1029
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 15: you know, reported instances of kind of erratic behavior. So

1030
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 15: the Sheriff's apartment is kind of taking this information that

1031
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 15: they say they've gathered from John Auj's friends and family

1032
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 15: and making their own kind of objective conclusions based on

1033
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 15: the information, which is, you know, their working theory was, Okay,

1034
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 15: he was having a tough time and basically we can't

1035
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 15: find any evidence.

1036
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 11: So the contrary, so you know, right, there was not.

1037
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Speaker 2: A suicide note, for example, there was not anything obvious

1038
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: like that. Wow.

1039
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 11: No, and that's yeah, it should be said that they

1040
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 11: never you know, this was internal facing information. They never

1041
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 11: said this to the public. They made some kind of

1042
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 11: internal decision pretty early on to stop searching for him

1043
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 11: and opted not to investigate leads that were coming into

1044
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 11: the Sheriff's department because they, you know, they basically said

1045
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 11: he died by suicide.

1046
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 9: Case closed.

1047
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 11: He went out into nature to take his own life,

1048
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 11: so we're just gonna like let it be, and so

1049
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 11: we didn't really find.

1050
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: These are his bodies associates.

1051
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly.

1052
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 4: Ow, oh my gosh.

1053
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 9: Well listen, because you would think as a member of

1054
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 9: the Sheriff's department, part of this law enforcement family that

1055
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 9: you know, would do everything what happens.

1056
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Speaker 7: To stand by and listen, everybody, stick with us, because

1057
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 7: coming up, we are going to continue our conversation with

1058
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 7: the journalists behind Value of Shadows. We have Haley Fox

1059
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 7: and Betsy Shepherd and what they uncovered next changes everything

1060
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 7: True crime Tonight I want more.

1061
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1062
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

1063
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: Body move In and Courtney Armstrong and we're talking about

1064
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 2: the podcast Valley of Shadows, and we have the investigative

1065
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: journalists who are the super real deal, Haley Fox and

1066
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Speaker 2: Betsy Shepherd kind of giving us some of the behind

1067
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Speaker 2: the scenes and really the scene here is the Mojave

1068
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 2: Desert plays such a big role in your podcast.

1069
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 11: That's right, you know, the Mojave Desert is a character

1070
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 11: in the series because the location it plays such a

1071
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 11: key role in what happened to John Aujay and subsequent events.

1072
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 11: It's like, you know, it's kind of this No Man's Land.

1073
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 11: If you've ever been there, you know, it's a place

1074
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 11: of extreme beauty and almost like you know looks, it's

1075
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 11: like got these other worldly landscapes. But it's also a

1076
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 11: hotbed of violence and mystery. And you know, we know

1077
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 11: that remote places and desert terrains in particular are conducive

1078
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 11: to crime. You know, we've all seen breaking bad or

1079
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 11: something pretty unique about this part of the country and

1080
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 11: it's you know, it's part of La County, but it's

1081
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 11: also so far away from the city and it's kind

1082
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 11: of blocked off by the mountains that it doesn't get

1083
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 11: a lot of law enforcement resources. And you know that

1084
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 11: in combination with a like, you know, kind of crazy

1085
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 11: topography and like big open spaces, it's become a hotbed

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Speaker 11: of mess production and violent crimes, biker games of all

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01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 11: of which play a part in John A. Jason's appearance

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01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 11: and our investigation because as early as day three, the

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01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 11: Sheriff's Department was fielding tips from drug informants that John A.

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Speaker 11: Jay was the victim of foul play and so so

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Speaker 11: you know that really becomes a key part is you know,

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Speaker 11: us exploring this area and you know, the Sheriff's Department's

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01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 11: relationship with the Antelote Valley, and we decided to call

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Speaker 11: the show Valley of Shadows because you know, the Antelote

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01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 11: Valley is displace that lies in this moral and legal

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01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 11: shadow world and the John A. J. Case kind of

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Speaker 11: got you know, that's where it kind of landed, and

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Speaker 11: we tried to shine a light on it.

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Speaker 2: I like, picture Ed Harris in this in my head.

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Speaker 6: Sleeves are older.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 11: Would he be the hard boiled cop or do you

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01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 11: think he would be the like the Yeah.

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Speaker 2: For sure, and then we think he's a good guy,

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01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: but he's oh, he's so insane.

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Speaker 10: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So what about.

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Speaker 7: John Alway aside from being ultra marathonor and a sheriff's

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01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 7: deputy and former military and a paratrooper, what about him

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Speaker 7: as a person and with his family and his daughter.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: So, I mean, like Besty said, and like a big

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Speaker 15: part of this podcast kind of lays out Initially he

1114
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 15: is this kind of survivalist at doorsman superhuman, but you know,

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01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 15: talking to his close colleagues, they kind of describe a

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01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 15: different side of him, which is kind of actually shy

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Speaker 15: and really a little bit of enigma. To everyone around him.

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Speaker 11: But we got.

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Speaker 15: Really lucky in that we were able to see a

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Speaker 15: different side of him through access. We got to basically

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Speaker 15: an archive of John Aujay's personal stuff, his family, like,

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Speaker 15: from his family life and work life, and it helped

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Speaker 15: us kind of see him not just as a sketch

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Speaker 15: on the missing person's poster picture on the missing person's poster,

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Speaker 15: but you know, he was a husband, He married his

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01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 15: high school sweetheart. They had a daughter, a girl named Chloe,

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01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 15: who was actually only five when he went missing, and

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Speaker 15: we could kind of tell how close this family was.

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01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 15: I mean, we in this archive had access to this

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01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 15: huge photo collage that actually John Aujay made himself handcut pictures,

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01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 15: dozens of them that show him in his everyday life,

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01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 15: you know, from his wedding, at his daughter Chloe's birthday,

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01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 15: and you know, with his dog. Like Bessy said, he

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01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 15: was a canine officer, so his dog who he worked with,

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01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 15: also lived at home with him and his family, and

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01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 15: there's all these picks of them together. And one of

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01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 15: the things that struck us the most is that in

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01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 15: this photo colage there's a ton of pictures of this

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01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 15: family hiking in the Devil's punch Bowl where he ended

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01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 15: up going missing. And it's just so striking and like,

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01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 15: somehow even more heartbreaking that it was a place that

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01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 15: he regularly visited and in a place that he had

1143
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 15: so many joyful moments that was so meaningful to him,

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01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 15: where he actually ended up being last seen. So that

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01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 15: really gave us a glimpse into the personal side of

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01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 15: John that I think a lot of people, even some

1147
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 15: of his good friends you know, didn't really get access

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01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 15: to regularly.

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01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 2: Oh that's I guess why we all work in true crime, right,

1150
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 2: It's like people can be many things.

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01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, And this was definitely one of those times

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01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 15: where we just I mean, to this day, you know,

1153
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 15: a year and a half later after working on this,

1154
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 15: working on the story, we just still want to know

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01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 15: more about him and understand more about what happened leading

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01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 15: up to this.

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01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I mean, you know, I am so excited to

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01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 7: finish the entire podcast.

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01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 4: I'm sure everyone is.

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01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: And please please please come back and join us anytime

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01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 2: to talk more about this podcast, but any other case too,

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01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 2: like we would love to have.

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Speaker 9: You great, yes, we will take your owne So yeah,

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01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 9: absolutely awesome.

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01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 7: So Haley and Betsy, everyone should go and download, subscribe

1166
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 7: immediately that Valley.

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01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 4: Of the Shadows.

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01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 7: I cannot wait to see what investigative twist and turns happen.

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01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 7: And you can find the podcast value of Shadows on

1170
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 7: Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, iHeartRadio, wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah,

1171
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 7: it's an eight episode first season and you get to

1172
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 7: hear about second I know there coming, there's potential misconduct,

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01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 7: so listen, got it.

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01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 4: Thank you guys.

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01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 2: Bye, guys, We'll see you soon.

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01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 6: Thanks so much. Enjoyed chatting, juicy great, that was good.

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Speaker 6: Like download and listen.

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01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: I love crime chicks, I know, yeah, and investigative. We're

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01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 2: incredible journalists as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, very very well respected, highly decorated. I would add, well, okay,

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01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 6: so yeah, I was going to do the same. We're

1182
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 6: all thinking the same. A fun talkback.

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Speaker 16: Hi, crew, this is Sterling from Miss Arizona. I just

1184
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,799
Speaker 16: want to congratulate you on that interview with Lisa Phillips.

1185
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 16: It was absolutely wonderful. You guys did a great job.

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 16: She's wonderful. It's so important to hear her story, how

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01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 16: it happened, what she's going through, what she's been through,

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01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 16: and how strong she is. It's just an amazing story

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01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 16: and I want to thank you very much for bringing

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Speaker 16: it to us.

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Speaker 6: Thank you all.

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01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: That was the amazest talkback effort. It was very powerful though.

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01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 2: She really she stuck with me all day today as well.

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01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 6: Yeah I was. I almost had trouble my.

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01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: Body, we were saying earlier. Yeah it's very heavy.

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01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you Sterling and absolutely same. I was so

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01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 7: amped after last night's show. Just you know, she really

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01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 7: is such a force of nature, at least Phillips, and

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Speaker 7: what she's been through and how she shares it, and

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Speaker 7: how she also helps so many other people share their stories.

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01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 2: And all of the aboves share you and there is

1202
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 2: something to it. And one thing I can say is,

1203
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 2: you know, hearing people's stories is so important and sharing

1204
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 2: is so important too, because you know, sometimes you hear

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01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 2: a story of sexual assault and you imagine it's like

1206
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 2: somebody in a black mask in the woods, right, And

1207
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: it just can sometimes be far more subtle than that.

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01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 2: And I think the grooming and hearing kind of the

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01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 2: play by plays of stories a it can be triggering

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01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 2: for people. But also I think you realize you're not

1211
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, you're not alone, and you're not alone.

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Speaker 7: And also hearing it you know, I always say that

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01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 7: God is in the details. And even when Lisa was

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01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 7: saying she was spoken to by Jeffrey Epstein in a

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01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 7: way she hadn't been. And you know, maybe it's wonderful

1216
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 7: when people take a great interest in you, but also

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01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 7: if it's if you're in a situation where you're like, wow,

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01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 7: I've never been in one of these before. Maybe just

1219
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 7: like that was illuminating to me for someone to have

1220
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Speaker 7: as a tip.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, all of the above, yeahank you.

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Speaker 8: Starting, And to your point about the details, I think

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01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 8: it was first of all, she was a phenomenal storyteller

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01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 8: and the way she laid everything out and kind of

1225
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:50,759
Speaker 8: painted the picture.

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01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 6: But like so much of it became visual, I.

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01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 8: Was saying earlier to I think it was to body

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01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 8: or someone that like, you know, I see the names

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01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 8: of victims, I read about it, but when you hear

1230
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 8: someone's actual specific accounts, like they took my passport away,

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01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 8: there were girls that were trying to swim off the island.

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01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 2: That the girls trying to swim off the island, that

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01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: visual is So that was.

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Speaker 8: The one that made me like, I don't know, I

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 8: got like a little choked up last night and had

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01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 8: trouble sleeping because I'm like, there's sixteen fifteen, sixteen year

1237
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 8: olds like I wouldn't know what to do, and.

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Speaker 2: You're in that work. We're talking twenty years where so

1239
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 2: many times it was like whoa, why did she go back?

1240
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 2: You know, like there's all these old kind of That's

1241
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: why it's important that we are talking about it crazing

1242
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: and get anybody listening, like if you want something to share,

1243
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: if it's too triggering or something, we're open to. You know,

1244
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: we're kind of kind of flying blind a little bit

1245
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: on this one too, but it does feel like this

1246
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 2: is really important for us to continue to discuss.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm glad that we and she was fantastic. We'll

1248
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 8: have to have her back again and she yeah, she

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01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 8: stuck with me. And I can't stop thinking, especially you

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01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 8: touched on this too, but there was so much about

1251
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 8: Ford and like those were like the iconic.

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01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 2: Iconic, Oh my goodness, this is how that game is played,

1253
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 2: and remember how young models were in those days. Especially,

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01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just goes you know, some of

1255
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 2: the things that I'm looking at and again and things

1256
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 2: need contact saying there's a lot of emails and I'm

1257
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of clickbait, I think, and then I'm

1258
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 2: seeing real things and it's really hard to unsee. So,

1259
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, just hearing a human story kind of you know, Well,

1260
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 2: we'll all kind of wait till we have more info

1261
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 2: in these bals, but yeah, thank.

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01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 6: You, surely.

1263
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 8: Well let's see, maybe we can go to another talk back.

1264
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 8: Let's see what else we got.

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Speaker 17: Going Hi Trock Crime tonight. Just in reference to the

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01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 17: three brothers on trial, I really don't believe you can

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01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 17: rehabilitate these type of people. From a survivor of sexual assault,

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01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 17: from a coach, I can homoutly say the impact it

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01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 17: had on me led me to not believe in myself

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01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 17: and ending up in a domestic vio relationship for a

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01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 17: very long time. It really does have any impact?

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Speaker 2: Ye say that? What was the case at the beginning?

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01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 4: I didn't catch ale Alexander brothers.

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Speaker 8: The Alexander brothers, Alan, Tal and Lauren. And they're three

1275
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 8: for people who aren't familiar, they are three wealthy New

1276
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 8: York and Miami real estate figures that are accused of

1277
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 8: luring women and girls to parties, luxury trips, and celebrity

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01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 8: events for more than a decade and sexually assaulting them

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01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 8: and sometimes drugging them. And some of the details we've

1280
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 8: been hearing have been just just just hard to even

1281
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 8: believe happened. But that's what she's referring to. We were

1282
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 8: talking a lot about that case. I think she's also

1283
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 8: touching on. At one point when you weren't here, Stephanie,

1284
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 8: we were talking about people who maybe some of these

1285
01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 8: predators feel Yeah, and if someone.

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Speaker 6: Could be rehabilitated, Oh.

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01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: Could a pedophile be rehabilitated? Precise Oh okay, I was

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01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 2: going to say, I think anyone who's experienced abuse, sexual

1289
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: or otherwise, I really think, you know, there's help, everything

1290
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 2: can be recovered from. But you got to talk about

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01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 2: it and not be quiet. But on a pedophile, great question. Yeah,

1292
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 2: we Yeah, I don't know about that. Well, I say,

1293
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: lock them up. I'm not into it. I think it's shocking.

1294
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 2: Some of the things that are coming up right now

1295
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 2: are unimaginable. So no, now it's all creeping me out

1296
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 2: with everybody trying to say that fifteen year olds are like,

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01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 2: what is that anyway? Yeah, I'm going to reserve it.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, and I actually I said I would, and

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Speaker 7: I have started just looking out. I would love to

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Speaker 7: find an expert on sort of recidivism, and because I

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Speaker 7: also I think it's vis and gutt role of lock

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Speaker 7: them up for life, and I just I think knowledge

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Speaker 7: is power, and I'd like to go with an open

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Speaker 7: mind and find as someone who could just speak what

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Speaker 7: are the facts?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and how do we better understand it? And how

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Speaker 2: do people keep themselves safe? And how people recover? Because

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Speaker 2: I mean candidly, one thing we have seen with so

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Speaker 2: many of the cases that we cover and interviews, and

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Speaker 2: I feel like you get into a lot of people's

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Speaker 2: lives and this is prevalent.

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Speaker 7: Yes it is, but we so sincerely thank you for

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Speaker 7: the talk back. And you know, just one other thing

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Speaker 7: that you had brought up, which is so common, is

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Speaker 7: how cyclical.

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Speaker 2: Abuse can be.

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Speaker 7: You're abused by a monster that changes your core and

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Speaker 7: then you go and seek what is common to you

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Speaker 7: and end up in another abusive situation. So thanks for

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Speaker 7: just mentioning that, because you are certainly not alone in that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that you will choose a familiar hell

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Speaker 2: to an unfamiliar heaven.

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Speaker 7: Oh wise words, Stephanie la Ducker, Well, listen, stick around.

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Speaker 7: We do have a lot more to dig into. We've

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Speaker 7: got more talkbacks, we've got raw reactions, we've got some

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Speaker 7: tough questions, and we've got a lot more on true

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Speaker 7: crime tonight where we're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Yet again, I'm staff here

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Speaker 2: with Courtney and Body and look, let's go to a talk.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm freaking out.

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Speaker 11: It's just the Virgin from South Florida.

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Speaker 12: So, yeah, I would love some swag. I will take large,

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Speaker 12: extra large black sweatshirt, whatever you want to give me.

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Speaker 11: I don't caay.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So do you guys know what that That was

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Speaker 8: the person that called in and said.

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Speaker 6: It's my first time ever calling in, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And referred to her as herself as a virgin caller.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so is that a first official swag giveaway?

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Speaker 6: I think she deserves it all.

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Speaker 4: Right, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: What the criteria is, But I know that sounds like

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Speaker 2: good enough for me.

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Speaker 6: I love it it was for me.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, we could go ahead of court because we're

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Speaker 8: still shaping out how we should give them away. And

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Speaker 8: believe it or not, a couple of people have called

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Speaker 8: in with some suggestion. So if you're open to hearing

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Speaker 8: some suggestions that some of our listeners have had, we

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Speaker 8: can play those.

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Speaker 4: Bring it as you have sat.

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Speaker 6: All right, Adam, go for it. Guys.

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Speaker 2: You are going to get such an influx.

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Speaker 4: Of calls about this swag stuff.

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Speaker 3: You can't just do callbacks because I live on the

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Speaker 3: East Coast and I can't call you guys live.

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Speaker 2: I have to send these little messages.

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Speaker 4: Do something like clue in.

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Speaker 2: The ballroom with the candle stick in the scarlet. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I like it, you know something fun? Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Yeah, that's literally something that Stephanie said.

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Speaker 4: We are always all of the same wavelength.

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Speaker 8: I love that. Tell me what that means, Like, how

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Speaker 8: would how would that?

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Speaker 2: Well, we could have to answer a clue about a

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Speaker 2: case that we're discussing or unpacking. So it's like we're

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Speaker 2: doing something from this evening show. For example, this is

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Speaker 2: just top of head. This isn't the spirit of brainstorming.

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Speaker 9: I guess.

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Speaker 4: It would be either something that.

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Speaker 2: Was like a fact about the Valley of Shadows because

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Speaker 2: we had just heard about it, or maybe it was

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Speaker 2: like an interesting fact that we learned today in the

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Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie story that we covered, so the clue or

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Speaker 2: we could reverse it and then the best clue from

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Speaker 2: a listener.

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Speaker 8: Oh oh that's a good so I like that.

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Speaker 7: What would And by the way, I love the uh

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Speaker 7: the brainstorming and we're so happy that you're part of it.

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Speaker 7: I had someone who used to call it throwing. Everybody

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Speaker 7: just gets a sweatshirt.

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01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 2: Well, give away massive amounts of sweatshirts until anybody tells

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Speaker 2: us otherwise.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, we only have this little mild a little sash.

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Speaker 7: I know, we only have this little time frame before

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Speaker 7: iHeart definitely puts down the hammer on like give it

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Speaker 7: to everyone, because that's the inclination that was with Jess

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Speaker 7: when she called and we were like, you get one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jess gets one for sure.

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Speaker 2: Just suggestion. Deal, that was a great suggestion. I agree,

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Speaker 2: and you get a sweatshirt for it.

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Speaker 6: But build a clue.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's something with the clue concept. And the reverse

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Speaker 8: is interesting too. Like if listeners gave us okay, here

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Speaker 8: through three clues on a case pageant, girl, that's just

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Speaker 8: too obvious.

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Speaker 6: I mean you know.

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Speaker 18: There you go, Okay, got it right, Okay, something something, Okay,

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Speaker 18: we'll come up with something fun, but because it's what we.

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Speaker 8: Need, the audience loves being a part of it, so

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Speaker 8: we'll keep coming up with those we love.

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Speaker 2: An anticipation, Yeah, some big ideas. Come on.

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01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 8: Oh, Sam and Adam are nodding in agreement. We have

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01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 8: another one we can go to.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear ladies.

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Speaker 5: I'm super excited about the sweat coming up. I know

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Speaker 5: it's going to be baby steps. I know we're only

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Speaker 5: getting black or white, but I really really want to

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Speaker 5: put my vote into iHeart about getting something with allegedly

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Speaker 5: allegedly allegedly make it happen.

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Speaker 8: Yes, what your dream a reaction?

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Speaker 6: Wait?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we that was a surprise, but that is stairical.

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Speaker 2: That was gonna be Yes, we have allegedly allegedly allegedly sweatshirts.

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Speaker 6: That is I thought that was great.

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Speaker 2: This is again the user generated greatness. Did I just surprise.

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Speaker 6: Well no, no, no, no, no, it's okay. Yeah. I think

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Speaker 6: it's a pleasant surprise.

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Speaker 8: So now everyone knows what they're going to be expecting,

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01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 8: so that's going to be fun.

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Speaker 6: I think that's this is great.

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Speaker 2: So well, now can I just get more specific? Is

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Speaker 2: there allegedly allegedly on all of them allegedly it's on

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Speaker 2: the back. Some of them I think are plain. I

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Speaker 2: got it as crazy.

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Speaker 8: From from what I saw, it looks like it's allegedly

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Speaker 8: allegedly allegedly on the back. So I think that's like

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Speaker 8: it's a small little emblem on the front and on

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Speaker 8: the back. As you're walking away, people will read allegedly

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Speaker 8: allegedly allegedly.

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Speaker 6: So so that's good. That makes court you chuckle.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, so it's cute though it's the colors, the

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Speaker 8: black and white. I already have begged someone to make

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Speaker 8: sure I get a black and extra large to like

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Speaker 8: go on a zimbic and need a large, but for

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Speaker 8: now for myself, So.

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Speaker 2: There is why are we being judgmental? Everybody should just

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Speaker 2: be an extra large as.

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Speaker 8: It looks better, it's more comfortable, so it'll be cute.

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Speaker 6: So I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: This was a great large.

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Speaker 7: I have to know how it feels to have created

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Speaker 7: a catchphrase, Stephanie.

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01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 2: We created a catchphrase. Uh huh, well it is well

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Speaker 2: we our lawyer gave us a catchphrase and we just said.

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Speaker 6: That, well, yeah, then'll be alleged. But the three ye.

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Speaker 2: You probably and listen, it might even be annoying, so

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to like make sure I'm not over saying it.

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Speaker 2: But hey, now we have a lot of sweatshirts doing it,

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Speaker 2: so you know, we love you guys, and I'm so

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Speaker 2: proud for iHeart for doing that.

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Speaker 6: I love that.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, so well, I don't know, do we have

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Speaker 8: any more talkbacks that we didn't happen too.

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Speaker 16: That's it for the swag ideas, but we've got some

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Speaker 16: other fun talkbacks if you want to hear them.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I want to keep them coming.

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Speaker 6: We like fun.

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Speaker 13: Hello to all of my favorite radio peace. It's Amanda

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01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,799
Speaker 13: and Alabama. I am still lowfully behind, but I'm trying

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Speaker 13: to catch up. But I know that you guys really

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01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 13: like to hear happy stories, and so this doesn't have

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Speaker 13: anything to do with what anybody's talking about. I don't

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01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 13: have a very happy story. Last day I started on

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Speaker 13: the bound actually for Sebatize, and I have officially lost

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Speaker 13: ninety three pounds. I am all weight, and on February twentieth,

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Speaker 13: I'm finally getting my reduction. You know, remember us. Anyway,

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Speaker 13: I'm super excited and that is a great news for me.

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Speaker 13: I am healthy and happy and I have a wonderful

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Speaker 13: life these days. I hope you guys do too. Love y'all,

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Speaker 13: Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: I never wasn't the most glowing. That is not a

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Speaker 2: sponsored recommendation, not at all.

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Speaker 7: Did we just say, just on the timing is that

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Speaker 7: was wonderful?

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Speaker 4: Congratulations. That's a huge what a a huge deal.

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Speaker 7: And I have to say, everyone I know who's had

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Speaker 7: a reduction of the breasts like you said.

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Speaker 6: That loved it.

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Speaker 7: Life changing, freeing, just like strutting, even more than you

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Speaker 7: are with your ready Yeah, you're perfect already to be believable. Congratulations,

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Speaker 7: we're thrilling about that.

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Speaker 8: Like how how I had a girlfriend back in high

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01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 8: school and she had to get a breast reduction because

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Speaker 8: she said it was so painful, her back was constantly

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Speaker 8: pain like it was I didn't fully understand how serious

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Speaker 8: the issues are, if you know, and why she needed

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Speaker 8: that done. And now she said it was life changing,

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01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 8: like she was constantly in pain and now she's back

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Speaker 8: leading a normal life. So ill that to say that,

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Speaker 8: I just wanted to share that I had a that

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Speaker 8: was actually a real girlfriend back in high school too.

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Speaker 19: Oh talking about they gave up clue, we got one

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Speaker 19: for you for tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: Sweatshirt.

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Speaker 4: Well, like I was wondering, and I don't.

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Speaker 7: Like, have we mentioned I think we have somehow Adam's

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Speaker 7: cat's name.

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Speaker 4: Have we mentioned that on air?

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Speaker 6: Rita, rita? Oh I gave it away?

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01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 2: Sorry?

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01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 19: Sorry, sorry, you get a sweatshirt.

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01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean, like that was terrible.

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01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 4: I should not be involved in any games.

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01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 8: Did you have a five second delay?

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Speaker 6: Brilliant, You're in charge of everything. Just taking notes.

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01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 4: She's going smiles for miles.

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Speaker 6: Ready for the super Bowl part.

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01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 2: Well, let's just make sure anybody who wants a sweatshirt

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01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 2: should call and give us the info or leave us

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01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 2: a talk back, or give us a clue, or give

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Speaker 2: us some more clues about how to distribute the sweatshirts.

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01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 2: There should be some sort of a you know, you

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01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 2: know thing to it, and you know, I just want

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Speaker 2: to give them away, So something in.

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01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 6: The middle of that, something in the middle. I think

1518
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,919
Speaker 6: this weekend I'm going to do a little brainstorming.

1519
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 20: About storming one thing, because my understanding is that we

1520
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 20: may have had more you know, a couple of people

1521
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 20: send their information in and what we could do is

1522
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 20: potentially a lot.

1523
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 7: Of Like I know, I've spoken about nothing that's more

1524
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 7: than I should.

1525
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 4: But sometimes if you put something up and you.

1526
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 7: Know, you just you arbitrarily pick it, so it's totally fair.

1527
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:11,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's good.

1528
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 8: Yes, that's a great idea because we're getting quite a

1529
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 8: few and we can't run out, so.

1530
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 6: We'll have to figure out a way, like like a lotto.

1531
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 6: I love a loto. That's good.

1532
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 7: It's something like that, only because I don't like the

1533
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 7: you know, like I love the idea if we if

1534
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 7: we do land on the specifics of a clue or something,

1535
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 7: or you know, if if.

1536
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 2: Leave a talk back. Though, by the way, things are

1537
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 2: very helpful.

1538
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 4: I'll tell you why.

1539
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: Because everybody has a perspective and we learn from each

1540
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 2: other's perspective. So I like love a talk back. I

1541
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 2: love a happy thought just you know, look at you.

1542
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 2: Just like reclaiming life and feeling good in skin. It's

1543
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 2: so exciting. But you know, like we're not I can

1544
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 2: promise you. I am not the smartest in any room.

1545
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 2: I want to and I want to learn, so like

1546
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 2: everybody's perspective counts mm hmm.

1547
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1548
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 9: No.

1549
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 8: There have been so many talkbacks and people that have

1550
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 8: called in that have shed light on cases or yeah,

1551
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 8: answered a question that we've said or asked on air,

1552
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 8: So I love them.

1553
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 2: I am so lost right now in the world and

1554
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 2: like what is right and wrong and where it left

1555
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 2: is right? Right is left? Like I'm upside down on

1556
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 2: a washing machine. Like I think we have to just

1557
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 2: like navigate together and yeah, I know, let's all remain hopeful.

1558
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, there you go and do it.

1559
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 7: In the words of Sister pre Gene, who, while not

1560
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,719
Speaker 7: to my knowledge a huge basketball fan of a Nun.

1561
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 4: Is the dead walking uh Nuns, Sure Gene and did

1562
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 4: figure it out?

1563
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, but don't go all of this alone, because

1564
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:49,520
Speaker 7: all of this, this life that we're living, this Thursday

1565
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 7: that we're walking through, you know, together is better period

1566
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 7: the end.

1567
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 6: Yeah. True, we need to bring Christine back or.

1568
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 2: Yes, can we do that next week?

1569
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 6: I would love that.

1570
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 2: Sunday.

1571
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh that's a great idea. Sunday would be good.

1572
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 8: We can do a little Sunday you know, therapy or something,

1573
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 8: because we need.

1574
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 4: Sunday self care.

1575
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,839
Speaker 2: Anybody have any questions things that we want to have answered,

1576
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 2: make sure you leave us those talkbacks. I think the

1577
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 2: sweatshirts and talkbacks and I get the live thing we're

1578
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 2: working on that we really are and the talkbacks are

1579
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:28,799
Speaker 2: so fun hearing everyone's voices.

1580
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 6: I give you a hug.

1581
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 7: Yes, and and the and the East coast East coasters.

1582
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, do don't worry.

1583
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 7: It will not be callers only, because that is an

1584
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 7: unfair biased Emily.

1585
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 4: We are not forgetting you on your route.

1586
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 6: Things like driving trucks in the morning, garbage trucks. And

1587
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 6: she's like, I don't have time to call. Nobody got

1588
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 6: time for this. Yeah, I know. Good idea though.

1589
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,759
Speaker 2: The clue thing, I like it. I like I'm seeing

1590
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 2: the TV show she's seeing for sure. Yeah, so I

1591
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 2: like that.

1592
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 8: I see the spinoff already, the game, the board game

1593
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 8: board games.

1594
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, this swag thing is really where it's at.

1595
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like it.

1596
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 4: I love free I love free stuff. I used to

1597
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 4: not just date.

1598
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 7: I lived with a guy who was a marketing manager

1599
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 7: for a company called Diagio, which is the biggest booze distributor.

1600
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 7: And I looked around my house in a moment. I

1601
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 7: was in my young twenties and I had more like

1602
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 7: foam fingers, Marty bought Marty Grause. It was all booze, swag,

1603
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 7: anything free I can't get.

1604
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 8: I used to work for a magazine years ago, and

1605
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 8: they have the beauty closet and where they keep all

1606
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 8: the items. And I what back when publishing was hot,

1607
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 8: but I mean it was family circle, so it was

1608
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 8: a lot of crock pots and things like that.

1609
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 6: I take it.

1610
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 2: We lived.

1611
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 8: That was the best part of the job. Is like

1612
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 8: every so often you just need an item. You can

1613
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 8: go in this closet get the skincare products. I had

1614
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 8: every bath care product.

1615
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,520
Speaker 6: In the world. It was a dream.

1616
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, but publishing has changed since then. But anyway, but

1617
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 8: that was that was years ago.

1618
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 2: You get all of the bath products from a publishing job.

1619
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 6: Madaines.

1620
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 8: Out have your you know, writers and editors test it,

1621
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 8: and you know I would. I would give them a

1622
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 8: little test.

1623
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 7: I would want every I cream same I needed.

1624
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 2: I need all of the suggestions. If anybody has it,

1625
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 2: bring them, Yeah, bring them. I put cucumbers on my eyes.

1626
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 2: They need it.

1627
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:42,759
Speaker 6: I need something.

1628
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 2: And I got a face dunk. How dumb is this?

1629
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 2: I bought a goal that you dunk your face in

1630
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 2: and ice to deep puff your face.

1631
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:53,879
Speaker 6: How different from.

1632
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 2: It's torture.

1633
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 4: It's no different And I love you, Stephanie. It's not

1634
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 4: different at all.

1635
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 10: I know.

1636
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:08,839
Speaker 6: I mean, what a waste.

1637
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 4: Well back on Sunday.

1638
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 2: We're back on Sunday, So super Bowl around the Bend

1639
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 2: more than this to come, Stay safe out there. Good night,