Speaker 1: Welcome to good game with Sarah Spain, where there's not
Speaker 1: enough liquor in the world to drown our Diana Tarassi
Speaker 1: related sorrows DT. The White Mamba, the Goat done. We
Speaker 1: knew it was coming, and we're still not ready. It's Thursday,
Speaker 1: February twenty seventh, and on today's show, Big Citrus will
Speaker 1: convene to give our reactions to the news of Dinah
Speaker 1: Tarassi hanging them up. We'll clone ourselves for a game
Speaker 1: of one on many and talk miniature horses and a
Speaker 1: passion for pities, plus a circle of l's and our
Speaker 1: crystal ball gets called upon again. It's all coming up
Speaker 1: right after this Welcome back slices. Here's what you need
Speaker 1: to know today. We'll start with DT. Diana Tarassi, the
Speaker 1: WNBA's all time leading scorer and all time leader in
Speaker 1: mad three pointers, has announced her retirement after twenty seasons.
Speaker 1: Tarassi told Time Magazine of the decision, quote mentally and physically,
Speaker 1: I'm just full. That's probably the best way I can
Speaker 1: describe it. Full, and I'm happy. End quote. Last August,
Speaker 1: Tarassi became the first basketball player to win six Olympic
Speaker 1: gold medals. She led the Phoenix Mercury, which drafted her
Speaker 1: number one in two thousand and four, to WNBA championships
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, two thousand and nine, and
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. A five time WNBA scoring champion and fourteen
Speaker 1: time All WNBA selection, Tarassei was League MVP in two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine and Finals MVP in nine and twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: A winner at every level, she led.
Speaker 1: The Yukon Huskies to three consecutive national titles from two
Speaker 1: thousand and two to two thousand and four, including an
Speaker 1: undefeated season The Goat.
Speaker 2: There will never be another DT.
Speaker 1: To college hoops, where we've got sixteen ranked teams in
Speaker 1: action tonight, including new number one Texas. The Longhorns travel
Speaker 1: to Mississippi.
Speaker 2: State for an SEC matchup.
Speaker 1: That game tips off at seven thirty pm Eastern. We'll
Speaker 1: link to the full college hoops schedule in the show.
Speaker 2: Notes to Soccer.
Speaker 1: We're recording this episode before the final match of the
Speaker 1: She believes Cup a must win for the US women's
Speaker 1: national team versus Japan, but will be sure to react
Speaker 1: to all things she's and believes is in a future show.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, let's pull out that crystal ball again,
Speaker 1: shall we It's telling us the US wins the game,
Speaker 1: but Japan wins the cup. Wait that can't be right,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, this is a magic eight ball.
Speaker 2: I grab the wrong thing. We got to take a
Speaker 2: quick break. When we come back, it's time to open
Speaker 2: up the mail bag.
Speaker 1: All right, slices, It's time for a little big citrus
Speaker 1: mail bag time. Y'all have said just so many questions,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna try to get through a bunch of
Speaker 1: them today and then a whole bunch more in a
Speaker 1: future episode. But before we can even get to all
Speaker 1: of the things that you, Slices asked us, I just
Speaker 1: need a quick check in on everybody on this day
Speaker 1: and a Tarassie news. We're gonna have plenty of time
Speaker 1: to talk about this, but meiche first reaction.
Speaker 2: First reaction is.
Speaker 3: I knew it was coming, Like in my bones. I
Speaker 3: knew it was gonna happen, as I think we all did.
Speaker 2: But DT is.
Speaker 3: An icon and the game is never going to be
Speaker 3: the same without her. We're gonna see different iterations of
Speaker 3: greatness come after.
Speaker 2: Her, but the game will never be the same.
Speaker 3: I love you, DT, I appreciate everything you've done Man
Speaker 3: legend Legend alex Man.
Speaker 4: I feel the same way.
Speaker 5: I love the detail in the time story about how
Speaker 5: on January first, that's when she kind of locks in
Speaker 5: for the next season, and this year, on January first,
Speaker 5: she just didn't feel it, and I was like, we
Speaker 5: could have gotten some cheerleaders out there, you know, get
Speaker 5: her psyched up and ready to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, last year, we were all
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, no, don't do it, and then
Speaker 1: when they made that big video, we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's over. Like it's over, but we just needed the
Speaker 1: official confirmation.
Speaker 2: I'm happy for her if it was time.
Speaker 1: I'm sad for us for not getting to watch her play,
Speaker 1: but I'm also sad because I'm not convinced that like
Speaker 1: the Sue Birds and Megan Rappinos and others, she will
Speaker 1: be visible to us as often.
Speaker 2: Oh DT doesn't like yeah there, So, like.
Speaker 5: I think she said she's doing the final four show
Speaker 5: at Sue though, which is a victory I want to celebrate.
Speaker 1: I completely agree, but I don't think I could get
Speaker 1: by on one Final four show a year. We're gonna
Speaker 1: need DT to figure out a little bit more. Love
Speaker 1: of the Spotlight for all of our sake.
Speaker 5: Also just want to mention super happy that Diana got
Speaker 5: a big retirement story in time. But I don't know
Speaker 5: if you guys felt this way. As I was reading through,
Speaker 5: I was like so many men, it just felt like
Speaker 5: it was centered towards a men's basketball audience. And I
Speaker 5: went through an accounted only five sources were quoted, one
Speaker 5: of them being Diana in zero of her WNBA teammates
Speaker 5: or coaches from a twenty year career, and I was like,
Speaker 5: that just would not fly for an MNBA retirement story.
Speaker 5: Talking to the NBA commissioner and Lebron James instead of
Speaker 5: the WNBA commissioner and Asia Wilson, for example, just kind
Speaker 5: of wild.
Speaker 1: That's such a great point, because yeah, it's probably the
Speaker 1: author believing there's more heft to hearing from those people
Speaker 1: and that's proof of how great she is.
Speaker 2: But that's not how it works in the space. Like,
Speaker 2: it's fine if you.
Speaker 1: Want to have those voices as well to prove she
Speaker 1: was so great that went beyond the w and beyond
Speaker 1: women's hoops, but you should also be talking to the
Speaker 1: people who actually played alongside her and to the biggest,
Speaker 1: most powerful voices.
Speaker 2: In women's hoops too. That's such a great point.
Speaker 1: Al all right, we'll be spending plenty more time talking
Speaker 1: about Dana Trossi in future shows. But let's get to
Speaker 1: some of your questions. Slices from Nora Foudi. My fiance
Speaker 1: asked me this yesterday, and I just have to ask
Speaker 1: all of you how many clones of you could beat
Speaker 1: Phee one v one? This is, of course ANFISA Collier
Speaker 1: winner of the unrivaled one on one. My future bet
Speaker 1: for WNBA MVP next season, Alex, how many clones of
Speaker 1: you would be required to beat Fee?
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to do a Kapa answer and say one,
Speaker 5: because I don't think that any number could successfully beat her,
Speaker 5: Like I could have one hundred of me on the
Speaker 5: court still not going to win. And so I'm going
Speaker 5: to say one, because then it's the least embarrassing, right.
Speaker 2: And then you could just say I played her one
Speaker 2: on one. End of story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, bragging rights. No follow up questions?
Speaker 2: What about you?
Speaker 3: First of all, Alex, I think you're selling yourself short.
Speaker 2: One hundred clones. One hundred clones is not.
Speaker 3: I think maybe you need like five, you know, just
Speaker 3: just have her going in a circle for me, I
Speaker 3: need me and one other clone. That two man game
Speaker 3: about to go crazy. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: We haven't talked a lot about what I can do
Speaker 3: on the court. But I can hit it three and
Speaker 3: I can make a layup.
Speaker 2: That's all I need, right just space. Okay, there's only
Speaker 2: one of her. I mean you need to play some defense.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I just got to hit that
Speaker 3: first shot. If we're doing it like Unrival did, I
Speaker 3: just got to hit that first shot top of the
Speaker 3: key so I can get possession and we're good after that.
Speaker 2: Also, I can play two on one defense. I could
Speaker 2: play two.
Speaker 1: But if you don't want your plan for that fade
Speaker 1: away Jay and the paint.
Speaker 3: I'm a fowler. I know I said I wanted to
Speaker 3: foul limit, but not when I'm playing. I'm a fowler,
Speaker 3: straight up.
Speaker 2: Okay. So I'm old, my spine is dust, but I have.
Speaker 1: Pride and I will always have pride. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say three of me, period, three of me. She's not
Speaker 1: that much taller than me.
Speaker 2: I'll just put my giant arms up and pray. Okay.
Speaker 1: Next question from Pamela Mudway Sarah, where does your love
Speaker 1: for pity mixes come from? I can't get enough of
Speaker 1: the photos you posted your pups, so I was wondering
Speaker 1: where it all started. Wasn't super intentional? I love almost
Speaker 1: all pups. I'm not gonna name the ones that aren't
Speaker 1: my favorites. I still love them, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to insult anyone's dogs. I'll just say that we knew
Speaker 1: we wanted to rescue our first dog. We went in
Speaker 1: because I had this idea of a half Lab half
Speaker 1: German Shepherd mix, because I had met one once years
Speaker 1: before and almost adopted it in an ill advised move
Speaker 1: that wouldn't have worked out because I had no money
Speaker 1: or time. So for like years after that, I had
Speaker 1: that mix in my head. So we went to go
Speaker 1: meet a dog called Sunshine at Anti Cruelty in Chicago,
Speaker 1: and my dog, Fletch was one crate above Sunshine. And
Speaker 1: I saw Fletch with his little white fur and his
Speaker 1: black ears and his little spots, and I was like,
Speaker 1: Sunshine's over, We're getting this dog. And Fletch, as it
Speaker 1: turns out, probably is a pit mix too, but Fletch
Speaker 1: looks more like a cattle dog and then after we
Speaker 1: adopted Fletch, we became so cessed. We became those weird
Speaker 1: dog people, especially with adopting that we started reaching out
Speaker 1: to all the orgs in Chicago to figure out like
Speaker 1: what dogs needed to be fostered and who we could
Speaker 1: help with, which, you know, rescue organizations, and there's so
Speaker 1: many pit based ones that we got our first pit,
Speaker 1: and then from that it was kind of a rap.
Speaker 1: Was like, there's so many of them in the shelters.
Speaker 1: They're so loyal and wonderful, and there's such a bad
Speaker 1: stigma around them. So it's pits, pits on pits on pits,
Speaker 1: and we love them.
Speaker 2: Y'all don't have dogs, do you? I think I would
Speaker 2: have heard about it, alex As Kats.
Speaker 3: Nah, no dogs over here. My mom is actually deathly
Speaker 3: afraid of dogs. She's been bit by seven different ones
Speaker 3: in her lifetime. I'll talk too much more about that. Personally,
Speaker 3: I love animals. I've never been able to have a
Speaker 3: dog or a cat. I had a fish once my
Speaker 3: cousin killed it. But yeah, no, no dogs.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not gonna say anything about your mom. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say this is like that Sarah Silverman joke.
Speaker 1: If you keep having bad roommates, you're the bad roommate.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm not blaming the dogs.
Speaker 2: Seven.
Speaker 3: I wasn't there, so I can't Was she running a
Speaker 3: dog fighting run?
Speaker 2: Hey, this does not seem like a reasonable number of dogs.
Speaker 2: This is the story I was told from her mouth,
Speaker 2: and I'm.
Speaker 1: Okay, I need to get you guys in front of
Speaker 1: some some pities, some little pups.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: From Doug Halpert, who sent us about a million questions,
Speaker 1: thank you Doug for your curiosity. Uh, he wrote, does
Speaker 1: it bother other female athletes?
Speaker 2: Do you want or otherwise?
Speaker 1: That Olivia Dunn Livy Dunn is the highest paid collegiate athlete,
Speaker 1: even over other gymnasts who are Olympic gold medalists. Is
Speaker 1: she really higher paid than NCAA women basketball players who
Speaker 1: have a larger fan base? Uh, Doug, I did not
Speaker 1: research all of her latest nil deals. I don't know
Speaker 1: if all of them are even public. But Livy Dunn
Speaker 1: makes a ton of money, And this is what I'll say.
Speaker 1: There are probably athletes that are frustrated by that. Yes,
Speaker 1: there are probably fans that are frustrated by that. Looking
Speaker 1: around at the other talent in the players that make
Speaker 1: less in ni own money. And also the reality is
Speaker 1: is hate the game, don't hate the player. Right when
Speaker 1: we understand that there is still more to marketing and
Speaker 1: sales and promotion than simply talent, we could step back
Speaker 1: a little bit and be mad that for women that
Speaker 1: always means pretty much sex cells, and for men there's
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons why you might be compelling and
Speaker 1: interesting and promoted. For women, oftentimes it is about sex cells.
Speaker 1: It's better than it used to be, but for now,
Speaker 1: I think it's unfair to blame women who are a
Speaker 1: part of a system that they didn't make or control.
Speaker 1: So I do not like when other people blame women
Speaker 1: for participating in a system that is not of their creation.
Speaker 1: And also, we have to be a part of changing
Speaker 1: the system, and we have to keep pushing back on
Speaker 1: the bullshit ways that women.
Speaker 2: Are usually viewed and valued. Meche thoughts hardly agree with you.
Speaker 2: I mean, especially to be that young.
Speaker 3: First of all, if I was Livydad, y'all would just
Speaker 3: have to be mad at me. Y'all would just have
Speaker 3: to be mad at me, like I don't know a
Speaker 3: lot about her or a lot about her life or
Speaker 3: anything like that. But you know, in a world that
Speaker 3: takes every opportunity to shit on young women, on women
Speaker 3: generally speaking, I'm not mad at her for going to
Speaker 3: get her back.
Speaker 2: I do agree with you, though, we have.
Speaker 3: To acknowledge when we benefit from things and find ways
Speaker 3: to make sure that those things are also accessible to
Speaker 3: other people. So I'm a thousand percent what you want
Speaker 3: at Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that. Alex thoughts, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think it's just important to point out this is
Speaker 5: not new, it's not new criticism, but I think that
Speaker 5: over the years, women have gotten better at supporting other women.
Speaker 5: I'll point to a story absolutely unhinged from the New
Speaker 5: York Times back in twenty twelve going after Lolo Jones
Speaker 5: during the London Olympics for having so many sponsorships.
Speaker 4: And this is an Olympian and it's a.
Speaker 5: Similar case though, where like Lolo the best member that
Speaker 5: US Track and Field team. No, but the fact that
Speaker 5: she had to go through all of that and take
Speaker 5: the blame for getting sponsorships in a sport where historically
Speaker 5: women are not making money in the off season just
Speaker 5: outrageous to me. And I think we've come up a
Speaker 5: long way since that thankfully right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the crux of it is
Speaker 1: we will be blamed both for the system we didn't
Speaker 1: create and from benefiting from it. Like you, we can't win,
Speaker 1: so just win as they say that I can. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's so true. And I also think
Speaker 1: one thing that has gotten better is women feel more
Speaker 1: empowered in those moments than before.
Speaker 2: When they felt very objectified.
Speaker 1: There's a very fine line between being empowered with yourself
Speaker 1: and being objectified by others. And it does feel like
Speaker 1: the content and the style is more evolved than it
Speaker 1: used to be, which is good to see. Another question
Speaker 1: from Doug, why do interviews some athletes take place right
Speaker 1: after they finish a quarter slash period slash race when
Speaker 1: the athletes are still breathing heavy. In my opinion, they
Speaker 1: should be left alone for a sec to catch their breath. Alex,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you have a good answer for this base
Speaker 1: of like standing next to a ski run and someone
Speaker 1: still got their skis on when you're trying to get
Speaker 1: that story.
Speaker 5: This question made me laugh so much because it brought
Speaker 5: me back to the pen Relays, which is an annual
Speaker 5: track and field event.
Speaker 2: I have competed in it, yes, oh you have.
Speaker 5: Okay, we'll have to discuss that one later. So right,
Speaker 5: it's a relay and it was the four x one
Speaker 5: hundred meter relay, and it was my job to help
Speaker 5: corral the athletes post race. And so there was this
Speaker 5: event happening I think it was in twenty seventeen. The
Speaker 5: US men historically horrible at relay handoffs, and there was
Speaker 5: a botched handoff from one to two. There was going
Speaker 5: to be a post race interview at the finish line.
Speaker 5: So the person who botched the handoff, by the time
Speaker 5: the race was finishing, was like halfway across the track,
Speaker 5: and so I had to go up to this man
Speaker 5: and be like I needed to run to the finish line,
Speaker 5: like I know you just ran, but please run some
Speaker 5: more so that we can get to this broadcast interview
Speaker 5: on live television.
Speaker 4: It was the worst job. I was like, please never
Speaker 4: make me do that again.
Speaker 5: So I always think it's real funny to see what
Speaker 5: athletes are super out of breath, like four hundred meter runners,
Speaker 5: No way you can talk to them for ten minutes,
Speaker 5: like so out of breath, but like a sprinter, like
Speaker 5: they'll be coming through no problem. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 5: why they have to do it, except for I think
Speaker 5: the answer is just television.
Speaker 2: I think television.
Speaker 1: I think Also there's this conversation relatedly a lot about
Speaker 1: do reporters need to be in the locker room right
Speaker 1: after a game? Why don't they give them time to
Speaker 1: shower and change and come out. The answer is that
Speaker 1: usually that time between the moment of great climax, whether
Speaker 1: that was a game winning shot or a race that
Speaker 1: they won or lost, is enough time for them to
Speaker 1: change their answers, to get back to their level head
Speaker 1: to react differently. In those moments right after is when
Speaker 1: you get the most honest and pure responses. It's when
Speaker 1: you get the athlete in that moment still as soon
Speaker 1: as they step out of that moment, it's what did
Speaker 1: my agent tell me to say? What if my sponsor
Speaker 1: tell me to say? What's gonna be?
Speaker 2: Best? Like, you just don't get the good shit? Yeah, mishagrees.
Speaker 3: I do agree, plan and simple, it's better for a
Speaker 3: TV to get the raw emotion and then to the
Speaker 3: point about the breathing heavy when you're a person who
Speaker 3: either has not played that sport or doesn't know what
Speaker 3: it feels like to be in those shoes.
Speaker 2: That's also how you really.
Speaker 3: Understand the effort and the energy and the toll that
Speaker 3: competing in what have you takes on athletes.
Speaker 2: And I of course come from a basketball background, so.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I feel bad every time somebody's even and
Speaker 3: can't breathe. But also I'm so grateful to hear those
Speaker 3: like you're saying first hand accounts of exactly what just
Speaker 3: happened five seconds ago. I do think there might be
Speaker 3: time for a compromise, though I've seen this on a
Speaker 3: few especially women's college basketball broadcasts. We're like, you give
Speaker 3: them two minutes, three minutes of analysis right after the game.
Speaker 3: That's enough time for them maybe to media trade themselves,
Speaker 3: get their answers together a little bit. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, they haven't left the arena, they haven't left
Speaker 3: that environment, so maybe we can adjust that. But also
Speaker 3: broadcasts have hard time limits, hard outs, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I'm not the genius in the
Speaker 3: room on that, but I do think it's tough.
Speaker 2: It hurts my heart a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean to your point about knowing how hard it is.
Speaker 1: Though that did wonders for us understanding unrivaled one v one.
Speaker 1: Those players were cooked and they all said it, and
Speaker 1: we might not realize how tough it was if we
Speaker 1: hadn't gotten those I.
Speaker 5: Have a little bit of a controversial opinion too, maybe,
Speaker 5: which is I also like a postgame loser interview. I
Speaker 5: think it can be really easy sometimes to be like
Speaker 5: I just want to talk to the winner.
Speaker 4: I don't want to have to bother the loser. I
Speaker 4: don't want to have to remind them.
Speaker 5: Of what a bad game they had or what bad
Speaker 5: game their team had. But there are a lot of
Speaker 5: athletes where I find I respect them even more after
Speaker 5: I see a postgame loser interview because she realized just
Speaker 5: how hard they.
Speaker 4: Worked and how much respected they have for their opponent.
Speaker 1: Big one that stands out to me is Jianna sanste
Speaker 1: Combo a year or two ago when they got bounced
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks. He gave a soliloquy about respect for
Speaker 1: the game and should you show up if you're not
Speaker 1: going to win every time, and what it means to
Speaker 1: be a competitor, and it was like, this guy gets it.
Speaker 1: It was really powerful. Okay, easy one from Aaron Raw
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Speaker 2: Will be so excited to see it in the wild.
Speaker 1: Okay, Phil Miller says, Hi, thanks so much for today's
Speaker 1: episode with Representative Trehan. You spoke about letting local communities
Speaker 1: and good faith sports councils handle policy question of inclusion
Speaker 1: of transathletes on the youth sports and high school level.
Speaker 2: What are examples of communities.
Speaker 1: Organizing bodies that are doing this right in a just
Speaker 1: and humane way, Sarah, you said, follow the science. My guess,
Speaker 1: as you're referring to high school, collegiate pro levels, what
Speaker 1: does that look like in the real world. Who's getting
Speaker 1: it right, Alex I think you have done some of
Speaker 1: the policy stuff on this. I mean, for me, who's
Speaker 1: getting it right at any level from high school down
Speaker 1: is who's letting people participate and who is putting inclusion
Speaker 1: and community and the benefits of sport above just two wins.
Speaker 2: I'm a winner, I'm a competitor. I love all of that.
Speaker 1: And also the things that I got out of sport
Speaker 1: were so much more than about winning, So that for
Speaker 1: me is the easiest and most simple in Anyone who
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in inclusion at the lower levels, to me
Speaker 1: is doing so without really processing the humanity behind the
Speaker 1: people that are wanting to compete. It gets a lot
Speaker 1: stickier when you get to college, professional, Olympic, ALEXI.
Speaker 2: Do you think's doing it right?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think one of the things that we saw
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago is that the IOC actually
Speaker 5: had a great framework that they introduced that did tell people, hey,
Speaker 5: follow the science, prioritize inclusion, prioritize grassroots sports. They failed
Speaker 5: to provide any type of enforcement mechanism, which then resulted
Speaker 5: in most sports just go and rogue and doing whatever
Speaker 5: the hell they wanted, mostly by excluding trans women. One
Speaker 5: organization though, that did take that into account was USA Fencing,
Speaker 5: so a pretty small fish overall. But what I like
Speaker 5: about USA Fencing's policy is that at the youth level,
Speaker 5: you fourteen and below, anyone is to compete in whatever
Speaker 5: category they want. That continues all the way up to
Speaker 5: the youth's level. The only difference is that if you
Speaker 5: start qualifying for youth international tournaments, then you are subject
Speaker 5: to other restrictions that are put in place by the
Speaker 5: larger fencing governing body, and then there are testosterone restrictions
Speaker 5: that come into play at the senior level. I don't
Speaker 5: think the policy's perfect, but to me, it represented a
Speaker 5: type of intentionality and thoughtfulness that we so rarely see
Speaker 5: in the space.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree, and I think it's a work
Speaker 1: in progress. If you're interested in understanding why it's not simple,
Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to our interview with
Speaker 1: Rose Elvilth, who hosted this incredible podcast called Tested, and
Speaker 1: you really start to understand that there are bodies that
Speaker 1: have tried to do extensive science research and to really
Speaker 1: understand whether the benefits of testosterone are as massive as
Speaker 1: they appear to be, what else factors interprofessional and elite competition,
Speaker 1: and how it's not simple And so I think it's
Speaker 1: a good listen if you want to kind of understand
Speaker 1: more mist you have thoughts.
Speaker 3: I think whenever we're having conversations about including athletes in sports,
Speaker 3: I always go back to why do we play sports?
Speaker 3: What's the point And it's not just about the competition,
Speaker 3: but it's also about testing the limits, testing the boundaries,
Speaker 3: seeing what the human body is actually capable of, especially
Speaker 3: in those individual sports where you're going for.
Speaker 2: Time or what have you.
Speaker 3: And so to me, if we're looking at it in
Speaker 3: that framework, inclusion is always the better idea because then
Speaker 3: you find out what we really can do? Is it?
Speaker 3: You know, does it get stickier the more you dig
Speaker 3: into the weeds about Okay, who should be competing against who?
Speaker 3: And you know, who has a benefit because of xyz
Speaker 3: like of course, But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: it's about figuring out, Okay, what can.
Speaker 2: The human body?
Speaker 3: What can humans actually accomplish when we you know, let
Speaker 3: people do what they want to do.
Speaker 1: And I think the thing that stands out to me
Speaker 1: is usually around trans athletes. What ends up happening is
Speaker 1: it's these artificial caps on what women and girls can do.
Speaker 1: Exactly while we continue to celebrate the highest levels of
Speaker 1: male achievement and are blown away every time they beat
Speaker 1: our expectations, and when women and girls do it, including
Speaker 1: cis women and girls, it's still about capping or putting
Speaker 1: a top on it and presuming that they're not doing
Speaker 1: it fairly or presuming that there's some sort of impropriety
Speaker 1: in and that just comes back to it a whole
Speaker 1: ton of misogyny that affects a lot of these conversations.
Speaker 1: From Amanda Valo, would you be okay sitting next to
Speaker 1: a miniature service horse on an airplane? And she offered
Speaker 1: to what the fact miniature horses and dogs are the
Speaker 1: only animals considered assistance animals and legally protected by the ADA.
Speaker 1: That's funny because I know we've seen there's a woman
Speaker 1: with like an emotional service peacock.
Speaker 2: There's been some wild animals that people have tried to
Speaker 2: get on planes.
Speaker 1: Okay, I would be happy to sit next to any
Speaker 1: animal on a plane.
Speaker 2: I am obsessed with animals.
Speaker 1: Being around animals makes me happy every single second of
Speaker 1: the day. My only caveat is how long is the
Speaker 1: flight and does the horse hold it the whole time?
Speaker 1: I'm not about to be smelling horse poop on a
Speaker 1: cross atlantic flight. Other than that, yes, please put your
Speaker 1: horse near me.
Speaker 3: Misia, I don't know, Sarah, I don't know if I
Speaker 3: can follow you on that.
Speaker 1: You're both shaking your heads and all the problems you
Speaker 1: don't have dogs.
Speaker 4: I'm fact checking that.
Speaker 5: I was maybe nodding slightly, but it was not in disagreement.
Speaker 2: I was shaking my head.
Speaker 3: I'm shaking my head because if we got an hour flight,
Speaker 3: I'll sit next to your miniature horse as long as
Speaker 3: a that horse's hair. If they got a long you
Speaker 3: know it. If it touches me, we got a problem.
Speaker 3: If they start shitting, if they start peeing, nan any
Speaker 3: of it, it's it's over with, It's over.
Speaker 2: It's over. Are you gonna be quiet the whole flight? Yes,
Speaker 2: I'll be.
Speaker 3: I'll be trying to sleep more than likely, because I
Speaker 3: actually really don't like flying, especially right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're back where it's like socially acceptable to
Speaker 1: clap when the plane lands.
Speaker 3: I had a very real fear of flying as a kid,
Speaker 3: So I'm like, whatever is gonna mess with my mojo?
Speaker 2: Keep it okay, Alex.
Speaker 5: Well, my brain just immediately went to geometry, like how
Speaker 5: does a horse, a miniature horse even fit in a
Speaker 5: seat like.
Speaker 2: Probably the bulkhead, you know.
Speaker 5: So I was like, what direction? And is it oriented in?
Speaker 5: Does it have to get its own seat? Like obviously
Speaker 5: has to get its own seat, but almost two seats.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's that wide. So I was kind
Speaker 5: of wondering, what are even the odds that you would
Speaker 5: be seated next to one?
Speaker 4: Given that logistical that wasn't the question.
Speaker 1: Nol Okay, Yes we got one.
Speaker 2: I'm a little worried about you too.
Speaker 1: Okay, last one from Aaron Rod just me still played basketball?
Speaker 2: Whose but do they kick?
Speaker 4: Me?
Speaker 3: Plays basketball every once in a blue moon right now.
Speaker 3: Actually the day that we're recording this, yesterday, I actually
Speaker 3: was out on the court shooting a little bit because
Speaker 3: I need to get back and playing shape. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be warm outside again soon.
Speaker 2: Gotta do it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, when I do, it's usually grown men whose
Speaker 3: butts eye kick. They like to do a lot of talking.
Speaker 3: I had a guy maybe last year we were playing
Speaker 3: and it was getting down to the last couple of points.
Speaker 3: He tried to hit a shot in my face, said
Speaker 3: get the off my court. Missed the shot. I came
Speaker 3: back down, hit the shot, said get the off my court.
Speaker 3: So that's what type of time on over.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Can we get you to set up a camera so
Speaker 1: like people do when they're cooking.
Speaker 2: Dudes at the gym.
Speaker 1: I actually scrolling Insta and I see those videos and
Speaker 1: it's just a highlight reel of girls cooking dudes who
Speaker 1: don't want to play d.
Speaker 3: I actually have to start posting those I have. I
Speaker 3: have a few, but I got to get some new
Speaker 3: tape for you.
Speaker 1: All right, good, Okay, I'm putting one more in because
Speaker 1: I want I want to answer this question. Erin also asked,
Speaker 1: does Alex read a lot to be the research person?
Speaker 1: Does she participate in book challenges? I love that we
Speaker 1: have gone to Alex so much and been like Alex
Speaker 1: research that she thinks that you're actually officially the research person,
Speaker 1: Like we have separate roles on this on this show
Speaker 1: for the everybody just kind of does everything, except for
Speaker 1: Alex is always the default research person because we know
Speaker 1: she's done it.
Speaker 5: All official googler. I consume a lot of stuff, a
Speaker 5: lot of information. I don't necessarily consider myself a big
Speaker 5: reader in terms of like physical print, but I listen
Speaker 5: to a lot of audiobooks.
Speaker 4: I listen to a lot of in depth.
Speaker 5: Narrative podcasts, so yeah, I can SeeMe a lot of information.
Speaker 5: I used to have this great fear though, that I
Speaker 5: could never ask a question unless I had googled it
Speaker 5: to exhaustion and used all of the resources available to
Speaker 5: me to try to find the answer. And I have
Speaker 5: thankfully grown out of that. I think it was a
Speaker 5: bad habit to have.
Speaker 4: I think that there is.
Speaker 5: Benefit to asking a question that you maybe kind of
Speaker 5: know the answer of, because sometimes the person's answers changed,
Speaker 5: and sometimes the person that wrote it down the first
Speaker 5: time didn't get it exactly right right.
Speaker 1: And sometimes the answer you get is so infused with
Speaker 1: someone's experience or perspective that it's far more compelling and
Speaker 1: useful to you than what you get off the internet.
Speaker 2: That's just a fact.
Speaker 1: Also, I would just be worried for the amount of
Speaker 1: hours in the day that you would spend googling something
Speaker 1: till exhaustion. So I'm glad that it's at some point
Speaker 1: now you're willing to just say, you know what, let
Speaker 1: me ask somebody.
Speaker 2: We're going to do a lot.
Speaker 1: More slice questions at a future show. But thanks for
Speaker 1: sending all those in. We got to take another break
Speaker 1: when we return the oral boros that is women's college hoops.
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