1
00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:02,800
Speaker 1: Welcome to good game with Sarah Spain, where there's not

2
00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,720
Speaker 1: enough liquor in the world to drown our Diana Tarassi

3
00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:11,799
Speaker 1: related sorrows DT. The White Mamba, the Goat done. We

4
00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,240
Speaker 1: knew it was coming, and we're still not ready. It's Thursday,

5
00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,120
Speaker 1: February twenty seventh, and on today's show, Big Citrus will

6
00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,360
Speaker 1: convene to give our reactions to the news of Dinah

7
00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,000
Speaker 1: Tarassi hanging them up. We'll clone ourselves for a game

8
00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,079
Speaker 1: of one on many and talk miniature horses and a

9
00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,800
Speaker 1: passion for pities, plus a circle of l's and our

10
00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,680
Speaker 1: crystal ball gets called upon again. It's all coming up

11
00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:40,959
Speaker 1: right after this Welcome back slices. Here's what you need

12
00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,879
Speaker 1: to know today. We'll start with DT. Diana Tarassi, the

13
00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,159
Speaker 1: WNBA's all time leading scorer and all time leader in

14
00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,640
Speaker 1: mad three pointers, has announced her retirement after twenty seasons.

15
00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,320
Speaker 1: Tarassi told Time Magazine of the decision, quote mentally and physically,

16
00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,959
Speaker 1: I'm just full. That's probably the best way I can

17
00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,600
Speaker 1: describe it. Full, and I'm happy. End quote. Last August,

18
00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,680
Speaker 1: Tarassi became the first basketball player to win six Olympic

19
00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,440
Speaker 1: gold medals. She led the Phoenix Mercury, which drafted her

20
00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,120
Speaker 1: number one in two thousand and four, to WNBA championships

21
00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,000
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, two thousand and nine, and

22
00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,240
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. A five time WNBA scoring champion and fourteen

23
00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,880
Speaker 1: time All WNBA selection, Tarassei was League MVP in two

24
00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,440
Speaker 1: thousand and nine and Finals MVP in nine and twenty fourteen.

25
00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,600
Speaker 2: A winner at every level, she led.

26
00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,759
Speaker 1: The Yukon Huskies to three consecutive national titles from two

27
00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,120
Speaker 1: thousand and two to two thousand and four, including an

28
00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,400
Speaker 1: undefeated season The Goat.

29
00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,360
Speaker 2: There will never be another DT.

30
00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,760
Speaker 1: To college hoops, where we've got sixteen ranked teams in

31
00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,240
Speaker 1: action tonight, including new number one Texas. The Longhorns travel

32
00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:44,600
Speaker 1: to Mississippi.

33
00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,440
Speaker 2: State for an SEC matchup.

34
00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,160
Speaker 1: That game tips off at seven thirty pm Eastern. We'll

35
00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,280
Speaker 1: link to the full college hoops schedule in the show.

36
00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,559
Speaker 2: Notes to Soccer.

37
00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,080
Speaker 1: We're recording this episode before the final match of the

38
00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,560
Speaker 1: She believes Cup a must win for the US women's

39
00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,320
Speaker 1: national team versus Japan, but will be sure to react

40
00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,960
Speaker 1: to all things she's and believes is in a future show.

41
00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,440
Speaker 1: In the meantime, let's pull out that crystal ball again,

42
00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,640
Speaker 1: shall we It's telling us the US wins the game,

43
00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,160
Speaker 1: but Japan wins the cup. Wait that can't be right,

44
00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,079
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, this is a magic eight ball.

45
00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,400
Speaker 2: I grab the wrong thing. We got to take a

46
00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,200
Speaker 2: quick break. When we come back, it's time to open

47
00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,000
Speaker 2: up the mail bag.

48
00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,320
Speaker 1: All right, slices, It's time for a little big citrus

49
00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,200
Speaker 1: mail bag time. Y'all have said just so many questions,

50
00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,640
Speaker 1: so we're gonna try to get through a bunch of

51
00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,640
Speaker 1: them today and then a whole bunch more in a

52
00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,600
Speaker 1: future episode. But before we can even get to all

53
00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,320
Speaker 1: of the things that you, Slices asked us, I just

54
00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,079
Speaker 1: need a quick check in on everybody on this day

55
00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,880
Speaker 1: and a Tarassie news. We're gonna have plenty of time

56
00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,360
Speaker 1: to talk about this, but meiche first reaction.

57
00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,519
Speaker 2: First reaction is.

58
00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,959
Speaker 3: I knew it was coming, Like in my bones. I

59
00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,120
Speaker 3: knew it was gonna happen, as I think we all did.

60
00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,040
Speaker 2: But DT is.

61
00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,359
Speaker 3: An icon and the game is never going to be

62
00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,840
Speaker 3: the same without her. We're gonna see different iterations of

63
00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,840
Speaker 3: greatness come after.

64
00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,080
Speaker 2: Her, but the game will never be the same.

65
00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,280
Speaker 3: I love you, DT, I appreciate everything you've done Man

66
00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,720
Speaker 3: legend Legend alex Man.

67
00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:18,680
Speaker 4: I feel the same way.

68
00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,919
Speaker 5: I love the detail in the time story about how

69
00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,200
Speaker 5: on January first, that's when she kind of locks in

70
00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,560
Speaker 5: for the next season, and this year, on January first,

71
00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,160
Speaker 5: she just didn't feel it, and I was like, we

72
00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,960
Speaker 5: could have gotten some cheerleaders out there, you know, get

73
00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,280
Speaker 5: her psyched up and ready to go.

74
00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

75
00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,440
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, last year, we were all

76
00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,160
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, no, don't do it, and then

77
00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,000
Speaker 1: when they made that big video, we were like, oh,

78
00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,240
Speaker 1: it's over. Like it's over, but we just needed the

79
00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,240
Speaker 1: official confirmation.

80
00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,720
Speaker 2: I'm happy for her if it was time.

81
00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm sad for us for not getting to watch her play,

82
00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,040
Speaker 1: but I'm also sad because I'm not convinced that like

83
00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,560
Speaker 1: the Sue Birds and Megan Rappinos and others, she will

84
00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,360
Speaker 1: be visible to us as often.

85
00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,240
Speaker 2: Oh DT doesn't like yeah there, So, like.

86
00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,920
Speaker 5: I think she said she's doing the final four show

87
00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,760
Speaker 5: at Sue though, which is a victory I want to celebrate.

88
00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,480
Speaker 1: I completely agree, but I don't think I could get

89
00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,520
Speaker 1: by on one Final four show a year. We're gonna

90
00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,160
Speaker 1: need DT to figure out a little bit more. Love

91
00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,880
Speaker 1: of the Spotlight for all of our sake.

92
00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,120
Speaker 5: Also just want to mention super happy that Diana got

93
00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,359
Speaker 5: a big retirement story in time. But I don't know

94
00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,400
Speaker 5: if you guys felt this way. As I was reading through,

95
00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,039
Speaker 5: I was like so many men, it just felt like

96
00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,839
Speaker 5: it was centered towards a men's basketball audience. And I

97
00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,640
Speaker 5: went through an accounted only five sources were quoted, one

98
00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,200
Speaker 5: of them being Diana in zero of her WNBA teammates

99
00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,320
Speaker 5: or coaches from a twenty year career, and I was like,

100
00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,000
Speaker 5: that just would not fly for an MNBA retirement story.

101
00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,480
Speaker 5: Talking to the NBA commissioner and Lebron James instead of

102
00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,320
Speaker 5: the WNBA commissioner and Asia Wilson, for example, just kind

103
00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:50,760
Speaker 5: of wild.

104
00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,440
Speaker 1: That's such a great point, because yeah, it's probably the

105
00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,200
Speaker 1: author believing there's more heft to hearing from those people

106
00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,839
Speaker 1: and that's proof of how great she is.

107
00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,440
Speaker 2: But that's not how it works in the space. Like,

108
00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:02,080
Speaker 2: it's fine if you.

109
00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,039
Speaker 1: Want to have those voices as well to prove she

110
00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,440
Speaker 1: was so great that went beyond the w and beyond

111
00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,760
Speaker 1: women's hoops, but you should also be talking to the

112
00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,120
Speaker 1: people who actually played alongside her and to the biggest,

113
00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,279
Speaker 1: most powerful voices.

114
00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,400
Speaker 2: In women's hoops too. That's such a great point.

115
00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,520
Speaker 1: Al all right, we'll be spending plenty more time talking

116
00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,760
Speaker 1: about Dana Trossi in future shows. But let's get to

117
00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,400
Speaker 1: some of your questions. Slices from Nora Foudi. My fiance

118
00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,440
Speaker 1: asked me this yesterday, and I just have to ask

119
00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,560
Speaker 1: all of you how many clones of you could beat

120
00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,840
Speaker 1: Phee one v one? This is, of course ANFISA Collier

121
00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,960
Speaker 1: winner of the unrivaled one on one. My future bet

122
00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,320
Speaker 1: for WNBA MVP next season, Alex, how many clones of

123
00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,080
Speaker 1: you would be required to beat Fee?

124
00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,279
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to do a Kapa answer and say one,

125
00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,400
Speaker 5: because I don't think that any number could successfully beat her,

126
00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:48,919
Speaker 5: Like I could have one hundred of me on the

127
00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,520
Speaker 5: court still not going to win. And so I'm going

128
00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,760
Speaker 5: to say one, because then it's the least embarrassing, right.

129
00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,040
Speaker 2: And then you could just say I played her one

130
00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,240
Speaker 2: on one. End of story.

131
00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, bragging rights. No follow up questions?

132
00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:01,680
Speaker 2: What about you?

133
00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,239
Speaker 3: First of all, Alex, I think you're selling yourself short.

134
00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,800
Speaker 2: One hundred clones. One hundred clones is not.

135
00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,120
Speaker 3: I think maybe you need like five, you know, just

136
00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,600
Speaker 3: just have her going in a circle for me, I

137
00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,640
Speaker 3: need me and one other clone. That two man game

138
00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,080
Speaker 3: about to go crazy. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

139
00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,479
Speaker 3: We haven't talked a lot about what I can do

140
00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,200
Speaker 3: on the court. But I can hit it three and

141
00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:22,000
Speaker 3: I can make a layup.

142
00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,159
Speaker 2: That's all I need, right just space. Okay, there's only

143
00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,320
Speaker 2: one of her. I mean you need to play some defense.

144
00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I just got to hit that

145
00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,080
Speaker 3: first shot. If we're doing it like Unrival did, I

146
00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:33,640
Speaker 3: just got to hit that first shot top of the

147
00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,160
Speaker 3: key so I can get possession and we're good after that.

148
00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,320
Speaker 2: Also, I can play two on one defense. I could

149
00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:38,680
Speaker 2: play two.

150
00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,640
Speaker 1: But if you don't want your plan for that fade

151
00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:41,560
Speaker 1: away Jay and the paint.

152
00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,960
Speaker 3: I'm a fowler. I know I said I wanted to

153
00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,040
Speaker 3: foul limit, but not when I'm playing. I'm a fowler,

154
00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:48,960
Speaker 3: straight up.

155
00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,159
Speaker 2: Okay. So I'm old, my spine is dust, but I have.

156
00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,680
Speaker 1: Pride and I will always have pride. So I'm gonna

157
00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,120
Speaker 1: say three of me, period, three of me. She's not

158
00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,000
Speaker 1: that much taller than me.

159
00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,599
Speaker 2: I'll just put my giant arms up and pray. Okay.

160
00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,920
Speaker 1: Next question from Pamela Mudway Sarah, where does your love

161
00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,200
Speaker 1: for pity mixes come from? I can't get enough of

162
00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:11,960
Speaker 1: the photos you posted your pups, so I was wondering

163
00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,480
Speaker 1: where it all started. Wasn't super intentional? I love almost

164
00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,240
Speaker 1: all pups. I'm not gonna name the ones that aren't

165
00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,200
Speaker 1: my favorites. I still love them, but I don't want

166
00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,800
Speaker 1: to insult anyone's dogs. I'll just say that we knew

167
00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,400
Speaker 1: we wanted to rescue our first dog. We went in

168
00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,680
Speaker 1: because I had this idea of a half Lab half

169
00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,840
Speaker 1: German Shepherd mix, because I had met one once years

170
00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,080
Speaker 1: before and almost adopted it in an ill advised move

171
00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,080
Speaker 1: that wouldn't have worked out because I had no money

172
00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,360
Speaker 1: or time. So for like years after that, I had

173
00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,600
Speaker 1: that mix in my head. So we went to go

174
00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,760
Speaker 1: meet a dog called Sunshine at Anti Cruelty in Chicago,

175
00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,600
Speaker 1: and my dog, Fletch was one crate above Sunshine. And

176
00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,640
Speaker 1: I saw Fletch with his little white fur and his

177
00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,880
Speaker 1: black ears and his little spots, and I was like,

178
00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,800
Speaker 1: Sunshine's over, We're getting this dog. And Fletch, as it

179
00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,880
Speaker 1: turns out, probably is a pit mix too, but Fletch

180
00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,200
Speaker 1: looks more like a cattle dog and then after we

181
00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,880
Speaker 1: adopted Fletch, we became so cessed. We became those weird

182
00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,880
Speaker 1: dog people, especially with adopting that we started reaching out

183
00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,720
Speaker 1: to all the orgs in Chicago to figure out like

184
00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,520
Speaker 1: what dogs needed to be fostered and who we could

185
00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,560
Speaker 1: help with, which, you know, rescue organizations, and there's so

186
00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,160
Speaker 1: many pit based ones that we got our first pit,

187
00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,559
Speaker 1: and then from that it was kind of a rap.

188
00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,000
Speaker 1: Was like, there's so many of them in the shelters.

189
00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,160
Speaker 1: They're so loyal and wonderful, and there's such a bad

190
00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,440
Speaker 1: stigma around them. So it's pits, pits on pits on pits,

191
00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:27,920
Speaker 1: and we love them.

192
00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,280
Speaker 2: Y'all don't have dogs, do you? I think I would

193
00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,760
Speaker 2: have heard about it, alex As Kats.

194
00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,080
Speaker 3: Nah, no dogs over here. My mom is actually deathly

195
00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,839
Speaker 3: afraid of dogs. She's been bit by seven different ones

196
00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,199
Speaker 3: in her lifetime. I'll talk too much more about that. Personally,

197
00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,720
Speaker 3: I love animals. I've never been able to have a

198
00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,960
Speaker 3: dog or a cat. I had a fish once my

199
00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,080
Speaker 3: cousin killed it. But yeah, no, no dogs.

200
00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not gonna say anything about your mom. I'm

201
00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,520
Speaker 1: just gonna say this is like that Sarah Silverman joke.

202
00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,400
Speaker 1: If you keep having bad roommates, you're the bad roommate.

203
00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm not blaming the dogs.

204
00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:01,920
Speaker 2: Seven.

205
00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,760
Speaker 3: I wasn't there, so I can't Was she running a

206
00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:06,600
Speaker 3: dog fighting run?

207
00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,520
Speaker 2: Hey, this does not seem like a reasonable number of dogs.

208
00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,520
Speaker 2: This is the story I was told from her mouth,

209
00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:13,520
Speaker 2: and I'm.

210
00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I need to get you guys in front of

211
00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,120
Speaker 1: some some pities, some little pups.

212
00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:19,600
Speaker 2: Okay.

213
00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,800
Speaker 1: From Doug Halpert, who sent us about a million questions,

214
00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,480
Speaker 1: thank you Doug for your curiosity. Uh, he wrote, does

215
00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:27,960
Speaker 1: it bother other female athletes?

216
00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:28,840
Speaker 2: Do you want or otherwise?

217
00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,400
Speaker 1: That Olivia Dunn Livy Dunn is the highest paid collegiate athlete,

218
00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,760
Speaker 1: even over other gymnasts who are Olympic gold medalists. Is

219
00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,480
Speaker 1: she really higher paid than NCAA women basketball players who

220
00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,880
Speaker 1: have a larger fan base? Uh, Doug, I did not

221
00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,400
Speaker 1: research all of her latest nil deals. I don't know

222
00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,320
Speaker 1: if all of them are even public. But Livy Dunn

223
00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,840
Speaker 1: makes a ton of money, And this is what I'll say.

224
00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,000
Speaker 1: There are probably athletes that are frustrated by that. Yes,

225
00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,839
Speaker 1: there are probably fans that are frustrated by that. Looking

226
00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,240
Speaker 1: around at the other talent in the players that make

227
00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,120
Speaker 1: less in ni own money. And also the reality is

228
00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,160
Speaker 1: is hate the game, don't hate the player. Right when

229
00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:09,640
Speaker 1: we understand that there is still more to marketing and

230
00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,960
Speaker 1: sales and promotion than simply talent, we could step back

231
00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,960
Speaker 1: a little bit and be mad that for women that

232
00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,120
Speaker 1: always means pretty much sex cells, and for men there's

233
00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,520
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons why you might be compelling and

234
00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,880
Speaker 1: interesting and promoted. For women, oftentimes it is about sex cells.

235
00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,720
Speaker 1: It's better than it used to be, but for now,

236
00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:37,120
Speaker 1: I think it's unfair to blame women who are a

237
00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,320
Speaker 1: part of a system that they didn't make or control.

238
00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,679
Speaker 1: So I do not like when other people blame women

239
00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,360
Speaker 1: for participating in a system that is not of their creation.

240
00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,160
Speaker 1: And also, we have to be a part of changing

241
00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,480
Speaker 1: the system, and we have to keep pushing back on

242
00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,559
Speaker 1: the bullshit ways that women.

243
00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:01,040
Speaker 2: Are usually viewed and valued. Meche thoughts hardly agree with you.

244
00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,160
Speaker 2: I mean, especially to be that young.

245
00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,800
Speaker 3: First of all, if I was Livydad, y'all would just

246
00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,240
Speaker 3: have to be mad at me. Y'all would just have

247
00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,280
Speaker 3: to be mad at me, like I don't know a

248
00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,240
Speaker 3: lot about her or a lot about her life or

249
00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,440
Speaker 3: anything like that. But you know, in a world that

250
00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,559
Speaker 3: takes every opportunity to shit on young women, on women

251
00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,160
Speaker 3: generally speaking, I'm not mad at her for going to

252
00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:25,640
Speaker 3: get her back.

253
00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,880
Speaker 2: I do agree with you, though, we have.

254
00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,880
Speaker 3: To acknowledge when we benefit from things and find ways

255
00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,800
Speaker 3: to make sure that those things are also accessible to

256
00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,719
Speaker 3: other people. So I'm a thousand percent what you want

257
00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,079
Speaker 3: at Yeah.

258
00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,920
Speaker 2: I love that. Alex thoughts, Yeah.

259
00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,600
Speaker 5: I think it's just important to point out this is

260
00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,960
Speaker 5: not new, it's not new criticism, but I think that

261
00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,720
Speaker 5: over the years, women have gotten better at supporting other women.

262
00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,240
Speaker 5: I'll point to a story absolutely unhinged from the New

263
00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,240
Speaker 5: York Times back in twenty twelve going after Lolo Jones

264
00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,040
Speaker 5: during the London Olympics for having so many sponsorships.

265
00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,640
Speaker 4: And this is an Olympian and it's a.

266
00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,200
Speaker 5: Similar case though, where like Lolo the best member that

267
00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,600
Speaker 5: US Track and Field team. No, but the fact that

268
00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,600
Speaker 5: she had to go through all of that and take

269
00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,319
Speaker 5: the blame for getting sponsorships in a sport where historically

270
00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,600
Speaker 5: women are not making money in the off season just

271
00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,559
Speaker 5: outrageous to me. And I think we've come up a

272
00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,079
Speaker 5: long way since that thankfully right.

273
00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the crux of it is

274
00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,240
Speaker 1: we will be blamed both for the system we didn't

275
00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,920
Speaker 1: create and from benefiting from it. Like you, we can't win,

276
00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,640
Speaker 1: so just win as they say that I can. But yeah,

277
00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,839
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's so true. And I also think

278
00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,760
Speaker 1: one thing that has gotten better is women feel more

279
00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,440
Speaker 1: empowered in those moments than before.

280
00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,160
Speaker 2: When they felt very objectified.

281
00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,200
Speaker 1: There's a very fine line between being empowered with yourself

282
00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,440
Speaker 1: and being objectified by others. And it does feel like

283
00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,560
Speaker 1: the content and the style is more evolved than it

284
00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,560
Speaker 1: used to be, which is good to see. Another question

285
00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,600
Speaker 1: from Doug, why do interviews some athletes take place right

286
00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,560
Speaker 1: after they finish a quarter slash period slash race when

287
00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,680
Speaker 1: the athletes are still breathing heavy. In my opinion, they

288
00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,680
Speaker 1: should be left alone for a sec to catch their breath. Alex,

289
00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,080
Speaker 1: I guarantee you have a good answer for this base

290
00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,840
Speaker 1: of like standing next to a ski run and someone

291
00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,679
Speaker 1: still got their skis on when you're trying to get

292
00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:11,200
Speaker 1: that story.

293
00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,320
Speaker 5: This question made me laugh so much because it brought

294
00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,760
Speaker 5: me back to the pen Relays, which is an annual

295
00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:16,720
Speaker 5: track and field event.

296
00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,840
Speaker 2: I have competed in it, yes, oh you have.

297
00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,360
Speaker 5: Okay, we'll have to discuss that one later. So right,

298
00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,000
Speaker 5: it's a relay and it was the four x one

299
00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,600
Speaker 5: hundred meter relay, and it was my job to help

300
00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,480
Speaker 5: corral the athletes post race. And so there was this

301
00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,880
Speaker 5: event happening I think it was in twenty seventeen. The

302
00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,640
Speaker 5: US men historically horrible at relay handoffs, and there was

303
00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,400
Speaker 5: a botched handoff from one to two. There was going

304
00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,679
Speaker 5: to be a post race interview at the finish line.

305
00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,240
Speaker 5: So the person who botched the handoff, by the time

306
00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,920
Speaker 5: the race was finishing, was like halfway across the track,

307
00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,839
Speaker 5: and so I had to go up to this man

308
00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,440
Speaker 5: and be like I needed to run to the finish line,

309
00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,400
Speaker 5: like I know you just ran, but please run some

310
00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,480
Speaker 5: more so that we can get to this broadcast interview

311
00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:56,480
Speaker 5: on live television.

312
00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,559
Speaker 4: It was the worst job. I was like, please never

313
00:13:58,600 --> 00:13:59,480
Speaker 4: make me do that again.

314
00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,040
Speaker 5: So I always think it's real funny to see what

315
00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,840
Speaker 5: athletes are super out of breath, like four hundred meter runners,

316
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,640
Speaker 5: No way you can talk to them for ten minutes,

317
00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,000
Speaker 5: like so out of breath, but like a sprinter, like

318
00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,240
Speaker 5: they'll be coming through no problem. Yeah, I don't know

319
00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,959
Speaker 5: why they have to do it, except for I think

320
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,240
Speaker 5: the answer is just television.

321
00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:15,760
Speaker 2: I think television.

322
00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,440
Speaker 1: I think Also there's this conversation relatedly a lot about

323
00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,520
Speaker 1: do reporters need to be in the locker room right

324
00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,080
Speaker 1: after a game? Why don't they give them time to

325
00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,760
Speaker 1: shower and change and come out. The answer is that

326
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,080
Speaker 1: usually that time between the moment of great climax, whether

327
00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,880
Speaker 1: that was a game winning shot or a race that

328
00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,440
Speaker 1: they won or lost, is enough time for them to

329
00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,080
Speaker 1: change their answers, to get back to their level head

330
00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,080
Speaker 1: to react differently. In those moments right after is when

331
00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,600
Speaker 1: you get the most honest and pure responses. It's when

332
00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,680
Speaker 1: you get the athlete in that moment still as soon

333
00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,400
Speaker 1: as they step out of that moment, it's what did

334
00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,240
Speaker 1: my agent tell me to say? What if my sponsor

335
00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,760
Speaker 1: tell me to say? What's gonna be?

336
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,320
Speaker 2: Best? Like, you just don't get the good shit? Yeah, mishagrees.

337
00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,200
Speaker 3: I do agree, plan and simple, it's better for a

338
00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,520
Speaker 3: TV to get the raw emotion and then to the

339
00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,200
Speaker 3: point about the breathing heavy when you're a person who

340
00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,880
Speaker 3: either has not played that sport or doesn't know what

341
00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,280
Speaker 3: it feels like to be in those shoes.

342
00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,200
Speaker 2: That's also how you really.

343
00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,920
Speaker 3: Understand the effort and the energy and the toll that

344
00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,280
Speaker 3: competing in what have you takes on athletes.

345
00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,720
Speaker 2: And I of course come from a basketball background, so.

346
00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, I feel bad every time somebody's even and

347
00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,280
Speaker 3: can't breathe. But also I'm so grateful to hear those

348
00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,640
Speaker 3: like you're saying first hand accounts of exactly what just

349
00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,440
Speaker 3: happened five seconds ago. I do think there might be

350
00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,320
Speaker 3: time for a compromise, though I've seen this on a

351
00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,960
Speaker 3: few especially women's college basketball broadcasts. We're like, you give

352
00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,320
Speaker 3: them two minutes, three minutes of analysis right after the game.

353
00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,720
Speaker 3: That's enough time for them maybe to media trade themselves,

354
00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,760
Speaker 3: get their answers together a little bit. But at the

355
00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,360
Speaker 3: same time, they haven't left the arena, they haven't left

356
00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,240
Speaker 3: that environment, so maybe we can adjust that. But also

357
00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,400
Speaker 3: broadcasts have hard time limits, hard outs, that kind of stuff.

358
00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,360
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I'm not the genius in the

359
00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,520
Speaker 3: room on that, but I do think it's tough.

360
00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,040
Speaker 2: It hurts my heart a little bit.

361
00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean to your point about knowing how hard it is.

362
00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,560
Speaker 1: Though that did wonders for us understanding unrivaled one v one.

363
00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,600
Speaker 1: Those players were cooked and they all said it, and

364
00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,600
Speaker 1: we might not realize how tough it was if we

365
00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,640
Speaker 1: hadn't gotten those I.

366
00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,040
Speaker 5: Have a little bit of a controversial opinion too, maybe,

367
00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,280
Speaker 5: which is I also like a postgame loser interview. I

368
00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,720
Speaker 5: think it can be really easy sometimes to be like

369
00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,080
Speaker 5: I just want to talk to the winner.

370
00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,280
Speaker 4: I don't want to have to bother the loser. I

371
00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,680
Speaker 4: don't want to have to remind them.

372
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,800
Speaker 5: Of what a bad game they had or what bad

373
00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,400
Speaker 5: game their team had. But there are a lot of

374
00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,600
Speaker 5: athletes where I find I respect them even more after

375
00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,360
Speaker 5: I see a postgame loser interview because she realized just

376
00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,000
Speaker 5: how hard they.

377
00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,040
Speaker 4: Worked and how much respected they have for their opponent.

378
00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,520
Speaker 1: Big one that stands out to me is Jianna sanste

379
00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,240
Speaker 1: Combo a year or two ago when they got bounced

380
00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,280
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks. He gave a soliloquy about respect for

381
00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,920
Speaker 1: the game and should you show up if you're not

382
00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,640
Speaker 1: going to win every time, and what it means to

383
00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,520
Speaker 1: be a competitor, and it was like, this guy gets it.

384
00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,840
Speaker 1: It was really powerful. Okay, easy one from Aaron Raw

385
00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,399
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for Slice Merch.

386
00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,320
Speaker 2: When can I support you? I have good news.

387
00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,960
Speaker 1: We are working with Breaking Tea and I just got

388
00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,520
Speaker 1: most of the final designs for a bunch of gear

389
00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,760
Speaker 1: that we're going to roll out soon. So that is

390
00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,760
Speaker 1: coming very soon for you, Aarin. We promise we'll tell

391
00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,280
Speaker 1: you as soon as we've got stuff for y'all to rock.

392
00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,840
Speaker 2: Will be so excited to see it in the wild.

393
00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,199
Speaker 1: Okay, Phil Miller says, Hi, thanks so much for today's

394
00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,000
Speaker 1: episode with Representative Trehan. You spoke about letting local communities

395
00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,000
Speaker 1: and good faith sports councils handle policy question of inclusion

396
00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,160
Speaker 1: of transathletes on the youth sports and high school level.

397
00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,160
Speaker 2: What are examples of communities.

398
00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,720
Speaker 1: Organizing bodies that are doing this right in a just

399
00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,160
Speaker 1: and humane way, Sarah, you said, follow the science. My guess,

400
00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,200
Speaker 1: as you're referring to high school, collegiate pro levels, what

401
00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,920
Speaker 1: does that look like in the real world. Who's getting

402
00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,560
Speaker 1: it right, Alex I think you have done some of

403
00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,840
Speaker 1: the policy stuff on this. I mean, for me, who's

404
00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,440
Speaker 1: getting it right at any level from high school down

405
00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:58,600
Speaker 1: is who's letting people participate and who is putting inclusion

406
00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,160
Speaker 1: and community and the benefits of sport above just two wins.

407
00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm a winner, I'm a competitor. I love all of that.

408
00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,240
Speaker 1: And also the things that I got out of sport

409
00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,720
Speaker 1: were so much more than about winning, So that for

410
00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,480
Speaker 1: me is the easiest and most simple in Anyone who

411
00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,520
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in inclusion at the lower levels, to me

412
00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,200
Speaker 1: is doing so without really processing the humanity behind the

413
00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,680
Speaker 1: people that are wanting to compete. It gets a lot

414
00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,560
Speaker 1: stickier when you get to college, professional, Olympic, ALEXI.

415
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:24,440
Speaker 2: Do you think's doing it right?

416
00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,320
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think one of the things that we saw

417
00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,679
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago is that the IOC actually

418
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,400
Speaker 5: had a great framework that they introduced that did tell people, hey,

419
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:37,399
Speaker 5: follow the science, prioritize inclusion, prioritize grassroots sports. They failed

420
00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,280
Speaker 5: to provide any type of enforcement mechanism, which then resulted

421
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,800
Speaker 5: in most sports just go and rogue and doing whatever

422
00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,080
Speaker 5: the hell they wanted, mostly by excluding trans women. One

423
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,120
Speaker 5: organization though, that did take that into account was USA Fencing,

424
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,639
Speaker 5: so a pretty small fish overall. But what I like

425
00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,119
Speaker 5: about USA Fencing's policy is that at the youth level,

426
00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,280
Speaker 5: you fourteen and below, anyone is to compete in whatever

427
00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,040
Speaker 5: category they want. That continues all the way up to

428
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,359
Speaker 5: the youth's level. The only difference is that if you

429
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,360
Speaker 5: start qualifying for youth international tournaments, then you are subject

430
00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,879
Speaker 5: to other restrictions that are put in place by the

431
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,440
Speaker 5: larger fencing governing body, and then there are testosterone restrictions

432
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,920
Speaker 5: that come into play at the senior level. I don't

433
00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,520
Speaker 5: think the policy's perfect, but to me, it represented a

434
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 5: type of intentionality and thoughtfulness that we so rarely see

435
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:25,439
Speaker 5: in the space.

436
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree, and I think it's a work

437
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 1: in progress. If you're interested in understanding why it's not simple,

438
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,359
Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to our interview with

439
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,280
Speaker 1: Rose Elvilth, who hosted this incredible podcast called Tested, and

440
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,359
Speaker 1: you really start to understand that there are bodies that

441
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 1: have tried to do extensive science research and to really

442
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 1: understand whether the benefits of testosterone are as massive as

443
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 1: they appear to be, what else factors interprofessional and elite competition,

444
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,040
Speaker 1: and how it's not simple And so I think it's

445
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 1: a good listen if you want to kind of understand

446
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 1: more mist you have thoughts.

447
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 3: I think whenever we're having conversations about including athletes in sports,

448
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 3: I always go back to why do we play sports?

449
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 3: What's the point And it's not just about the competition,

450
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 3: but it's also about testing the limits, testing the boundaries,

451
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 3: seeing what the human body is actually capable of, especially

452
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 3: in those individual sports where you're going for.

453
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 2: Time or what have you.

454
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 3: And so to me, if we're looking at it in

455
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,400
Speaker 3: that framework, inclusion is always the better idea because then

456
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 3: you find out what we really can do? Is it?

457
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 3: You know, does it get stickier the more you dig

458
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 3: into the weeds about Okay, who should be competing against who?

459
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 3: And you know, who has a benefit because of xyz

460
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 3: like of course, But at the end of the day,

461
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 3: it's about figuring out, Okay, what can.

462
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 2: The human body?

463
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 3: What can humans actually accomplish when we you know, let

464
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 3: people do what they want to do.

465
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 1: And I think the thing that stands out to me

466
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: is usually around trans athletes. What ends up happening is

467
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 1: it's these artificial caps on what women and girls can do.

468
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: Exactly while we continue to celebrate the highest levels of

469
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 1: male achievement and are blown away every time they beat

470
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 1: our expectations, and when women and girls do it, including

471
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 1: cis women and girls, it's still about capping or putting

472
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: a top on it and presuming that they're not doing

473
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 1: it fairly or presuming that there's some sort of impropriety

474
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: in and that just comes back to it a whole

475
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: ton of misogyny that affects a lot of these conversations.

476
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 1: From Amanda Valo, would you be okay sitting next to

477
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: a miniature service horse on an airplane? And she offered

478
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 1: to what the fact miniature horses and dogs are the

479
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 1: only animals considered assistance animals and legally protected by the ADA.

480
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: That's funny because I know we've seen there's a woman

481
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 1: with like an emotional service peacock.

482
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 2: There's been some wild animals that people have tried to

483
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 2: get on planes.

484
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I would be happy to sit next to any

485
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: animal on a plane.

486
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 2: I am obsessed with animals.

487
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: Being around animals makes me happy every single second of

488
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: the day. My only caveat is how long is the

489
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: flight and does the horse hold it the whole time?

490
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm not about to be smelling horse poop on a

491
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: cross atlantic flight. Other than that, yes, please put your

492
00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,959
Speaker 1: horse near me.

493
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: Misia, I don't know, Sarah, I don't know if I

494
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: can follow you on that.

495
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: You're both shaking your heads and all the problems you

496
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 1: don't have dogs.

497
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 4: I'm fact checking that.

498
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 5: I was maybe nodding slightly, but it was not in disagreement.

499
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 2: I was shaking my head.

500
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 3: I'm shaking my head because if we got an hour flight,

501
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 3: I'll sit next to your miniature horse as long as

502
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 3: a that horse's hair. If they got a long you

503
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 3: know it. If it touches me, we got a problem.

504
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 3: If they start shitting, if they start peeing, nan any

505
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 3: of it, it's it's over with, It's over.

506
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: It's over. Are you gonna be quiet the whole flight? Yes,

507
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 2: I'll be.

508
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: I'll be trying to sleep more than likely, because I

509
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 3: actually really don't like flying, especially right now.

510
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

511
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're back where it's like socially acceptable to

512
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: clap when the plane lands.

513
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 3: I had a very real fear of flying as a kid,

514
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,959
Speaker 3: So I'm like, whatever is gonna mess with my mojo?

515
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,719
Speaker 2: Keep it okay, Alex.

516
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 5: Well, my brain just immediately went to geometry, like how

517
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 5: does a horse, a miniature horse even fit in a

518
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 5: seat like.

519
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: Probably the bulkhead, you know.

520
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 5: So I was like, what direction? And is it oriented in?

521
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 5: Does it have to get its own seat? Like obviously

522
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 5: has to get its own seat, but almost two seats.

523
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 5: I feel like it's that wide. So I was kind

524
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 5: of wondering, what are even the odds that you would

525
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 5: be seated next to one?

526
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 4: Given that logistical that wasn't the question.

527
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 1: Nol Okay, Yes we got one.

528
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: I'm a little worried about you too.

529
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: Okay, last one from Aaron Rod just me still played basketball?

530
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: Whose but do they kick?

531
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: Me?

532
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 3: Plays basketball every once in a blue moon right now.

533
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 3: Actually the day that we're recording this, yesterday, I actually

534
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 3: was out on the court shooting a little bit because

535
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 3: I need to get back and playing shape. It's gonna

536
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: be warm outside again soon.

537
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 2: Gotta do it.

538
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, when I do, it's usually grown men whose

539
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 3: butts eye kick. They like to do a lot of talking.

540
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: I had a guy maybe last year we were playing

541
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: and it was getting down to the last couple of points.

542
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: He tried to hit a shot in my face, said

543
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: get the off my court. Missed the shot. I came

544
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: back down, hit the shot, said get the off my court.

545
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 3: So that's what type of time on over.

546
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: I love that.

547
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: Can we get you to set up a camera so

548
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: like people do when they're cooking.

549
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 2: Dudes at the gym.

550
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: I actually scrolling Insta and I see those videos and

551
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: it's just a highlight reel of girls cooking dudes who

552
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: don't want to play d.

553
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: I actually have to start posting those I have. I

554
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: have a few, but I got to get some new

555
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 3: tape for you.

556
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: All right, good, Okay, I'm putting one more in because

557
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: I want I want to answer this question. Erin also asked,

558
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: does Alex read a lot to be the research person?

559
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: Does she participate in book challenges? I love that we

560
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: have gone to Alex so much and been like Alex

561
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 1: research that she thinks that you're actually officially the research person,

562
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: Like we have separate roles on this on this show

563
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: for the everybody just kind of does everything, except for

564
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: Alex is always the default research person because we know

565
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: she's done it.

566
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 5: All official googler. I consume a lot of stuff, a

567
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 5: lot of information. I don't necessarily consider myself a big

568
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 5: reader in terms of like physical print, but I listen

569
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 5: to a lot of audiobooks.

570
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 4: I listen to a lot of in depth.

571
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 5: Narrative podcasts, so yeah, I can SeeMe a lot of information.

572
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 5: I used to have this great fear though, that I

573
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 5: could never ask a question unless I had googled it

574
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 5: to exhaustion and used all of the resources available to

575
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 5: me to try to find the answer. And I have

576
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 5: thankfully grown out of that. I think it was a

577
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 5: bad habit to have.

578
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 4: I think that there is.

579
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 5: Benefit to asking a question that you maybe kind of

580
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 5: know the answer of, because sometimes the person's answers changed,

581
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 5: and sometimes the person that wrote it down the first

582
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 5: time didn't get it exactly right right.

583
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: And sometimes the answer you get is so infused with

584
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: someone's experience or perspective that it's far more compelling and

585
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 1: useful to you than what you get off the internet.

586
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: That's just a fact.

587
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: Also, I would just be worried for the amount of

588
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: hours in the day that you would spend googling something

589
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: till exhaustion. So I'm glad that it's at some point

590
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: now you're willing to just say, you know what, let

591
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: me ask somebody.

592
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: We're going to do a lot.

593
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: More slice questions at a future show. But thanks for

594
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: sending all those in. We got to take another break

595
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: when we return the oral boros that is women's college hoops.

596
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: Stick around, Welcome back slices.

597
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you. And get more of

598
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: your questions.

599
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: So hit us up on email good game at wondermedianetwork

600
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: dot com, or you can leave us a voicemail at

601
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: eight seven two two O four fifty seventy and.

602
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: Don't forget to subscribe. Rate and review.

603
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: It's easy watch someone else do in the math rating

604
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: five out of five. Thank yous more please review. It's

605
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: been a wild NCAA College hoops season, with the number

606
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: one ranking getting tossed around like a hot potato the

607
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: last few weeks, So shout out to at fire Gino

608
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: on Twitter for doing the math on just how crazy

609
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: the tourney might be. He really crossed his t's and

610
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: dotted his tittles on this tweet. It reads quote NC

611
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: State lost to LSU. LSU lost to Texas, Texas lost

612
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: to sc SC lost to Yukon. Yukon lost to USC,

613
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: USC lost to Notre Dame. Notre Dame lost to NC State,

614
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: NC State lost to sc SC lost to UCLA. Ucla

615
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: lost to USC and so on. As you can tell,

616
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: March is going to be psychotic this year. End quote

617
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: bring on the madness, but first, bring on the reviews.

618
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: Five stars. Say something nice, tell us you love us

619
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: thank you, thanks for listening. See you tomorrow. Good game,

620
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: Dina Tarassi.

621
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: You know and with twenty years as a pro another

622
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: good game to Diana Tarassi, but also by the way

623
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: you Diana Tarassi leaving us and shit. Good Game with

624
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership

625
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us

626
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

627
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: your podcasts. Production by Wonder Media Network, our producers are

628
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: Alex Azzie and Misha Jones. Our executive producers are Christina Everett,

629
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan, and Emily Rudder. Our editors are

630
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: Emily Rutter, Britney Martinez and Grace Lynch. Our associate producer

631
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: is Lucy Jones and I'm Your host Sarah Spain