1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Hey, Happy Saturday. Everybody, at least in theory summer is 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: here for most of our listeners, so this seems like 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: the perfect time to talk about something cold and delicious 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: that means ice cream. In today's episode, which has thrown 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: back in, referenced the mythology of George Washington's wooden teeth, 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: which a number of folks wrote in afterwards to correct. 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: So yes, we're aware that George Washington's false teeth were 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: not really made of wood, which is why we framed 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: it as mythology. They were made of things like lead, ivory, 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: and real human teeth, probably including some of his own 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: teeth that he had saved when they were extracted, and 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: possibly teeth that he purchased from people who were enslaved 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: at Mount Vernon. Welcome to Stuff you missed in history 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: class from how Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: to the podcast, And I'm Tracy Vie Wilson UH and 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: I have the following question to pose. Who doesn't like 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: ice cream? I can think of a lot of people 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: who don't like I really people who are lactose intolerant. 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: But it might not be that they don't like it, 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: it's just something they've had to eliminate when for reason, 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: when I was in massage school, our traditional Chinese medicine 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: teacher and told us that in traditional Chinese medicine, ice 23 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: cream is a terrible food to eat because it's very cold, 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: and it has lots of sugar and milk, and all 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: of those things together from that perspective, is a bad combo. 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm almost suspicious of people that don't like ice cream. Yeah, 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: I cannot. I really can only think of one or 28 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: two people that I've ever met. One is the brother 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: of a friend, and he has many suspicious dislikes in 30 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: the food arena, Like he also doesn't like cheesecakes, So 31 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: come on, we can't trust that person. Um, But I 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: love it, and most people I know love it. I 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: do like ice cream. Did you know that one point 34 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: six billion gallons of ice cream are produced in the 35 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: US annually. That is a lot of ice cream. Um. 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: And as we know, you know, the serving size on 37 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: a pine of ice cream that's listed has been comedian 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: fodder for years and years and years. It's interesting, I 39 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: will say before we get deep into this podcast, because 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: we're talking today obviously about the history of ice cream. UM, 41 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: that a lot of it after a certain point kind 42 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: of centers on the US. While I know that people 43 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: eat ice cream the world over, I think we're kind 44 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: of considered the nexus point. I don't. I think it's 45 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: kind of gotten lumped in with Americana, Like you have 46 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: your slice of apple pie and there's ice cream on 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: the side pie all the mode. Well, and I definitely 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: there are a lot of cultural ice cream things, Like 49 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in in the Bible Belt 50 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: in the church. Ice cream social. Yeah, an annual thing 51 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: that everybody looked forward to you for a really long time. 52 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: And then you have the whole preponderance of ice cream 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: parlors that will talk about later and how that sort 54 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: of became a place for people to go and hang out. 55 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: Like ice cream became a really social thing in the 56 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: United States and not just like a food to eat 57 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: for dessert. Yeah, it's really it's an iconic food I 58 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: think in in the US for sure. Uh, it's just 59 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: kind of fascinating. I'm now wondering if we have a 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: national dessert and if ice cream is it. But I 61 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: don't know, Uh, do you have a favorite flavor? Oh? 62 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: I will eat chocolate ice cream of course all day. 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: Ye see, I don't love chocolate. My mother in law 64 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: really loves chocolate ice cream, and I think she's suspicious 65 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: of me that I'm like, that doesn't work for me. Um. Yeah. 66 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: When I had my wisdom teeth removed, my dad like 67 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: woke me up in the parking lot at the grocery 68 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: store while I was, you know, still kind of under 69 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: some anesthesia. Still, He's like, what kind of ice cream 70 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: do you want? And I was like, Chalker, that's so pathetic. 71 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: It was very pathetic. I also feel like I should 72 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: give a quick shout out to one of my favorite 73 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: ice cream places in the world, which is in Canada. 74 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: It's outside Vancouver. I think it's technically in Burnaby called 75 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: Kaza Gelato, and they have hundreds of flavors of ice 76 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: cream and they do really wild That is where I 77 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: had dirty and ice cream, which I have to keep 78 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: on a lid on it, and they keep it far 79 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: away from all the other ice creams because it makes 80 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: everything smells so bad. But it's delicious. And that's where 81 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: I had parent Gorgonzola ice cream for the first time, 82 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: and they do dandelion ice cream almost any flavor. I 83 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: think they've tried to do, and I love that place. Like, um, 84 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: I just to me, it was like going into the 85 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: factory of dreams at that point. Yeah, what I can 86 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: eat all of these things. Oh my goodness. When I 87 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: was a kid, there was an ice cream place at 88 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: the beach that we went to every summer, and my 89 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: brother and my cousin and I would all get these. Uh. 90 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,119 Speaker 1: It was bubble bubblegum flavored ice cream that had little 91 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: pieces of I love that stuff. It's like chloeing Lee 92 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: sweet and I love it and a terrible color, like 93 00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: not a color that's found in nature, but delicious. Yeah. Well, 94 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: and all these things that I associate with ice cream, 95 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: a lot of them are things that are done as 96 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: a family or in a group, or it is a 97 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: very social food, ex unless you're eating it by yourself 98 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: straight from the carton in front of the television, which 99 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: I also do. Oh yeah, for sure, I've definitely done that. Uh. 100 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: But this all makes us wonder where did ice cream 101 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: come from in the first place? Uh? And this is 102 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: actually a pretty unresolved question. There are many different theories. Um, 103 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: there's a lot of disagreement about the actual origin point 104 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: of ice cream, and some of that problem lies in semantics. 105 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: Some food historians will qualify ice cream by a certain 106 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: set of criteria, and those may not be the same 107 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: criteria or definition that another food you will use. And 108 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: some people, for example, separate ice desserts out by the 109 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: inclusion or exclusion of dairy. But even then the origins 110 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: are hazy. Um. There's a U. S D. A standard 111 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: that's current that says for a food to qualify as 112 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: ice cream, it needs to contain at least ten percent 113 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: milk fat, a minimum of six percent non fat milk solids, 114 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: and a gallon has to weigh at least four point 115 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: five pounds. But that's not really um applicable to the 116 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: historical record because those were not in place, and we're 117 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: still trying to trace the origins. So there are many 118 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: different and interesting stories that have circulated, and we won't 119 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: even cover all of them, but we will do a 120 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: list um about the origins of ice cream. So one 121 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: of the earliest is a biblical mention. There's a reference 122 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: to King Solomon having iced drinks during harvest time, which 123 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: sounds like a wonderful idea, um, but it also doesn't 124 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: sound that much like ice cream. But that's mentioned in 125 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: the various accounts of ice cream history is sort of 126 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: a proto ice cream tree, and Alexander the Great is 127 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: said to have enjoyed snow and ice that were flavored 128 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: with honey or nectar, which sounds more like a snow 129 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: cone but still is sometimes bandied about as antent will 130 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: origin point. I think it sounds like snow cream, which 131 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: we talked about in our prior podcast pop Stuff, and 132 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: people were horrified that people would do that. Uh. In 133 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: the first century CE, Roman emperor Nero is said to 134 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: have gotten his slaves to bring him snow from the 135 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: mountains so that it could be combined with fruit, again 136 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: similar to the Alexander the Great thing. Uh. And then 137 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: Marco Polo allegedly brought back a recipe for a frozen 138 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: dessert from his travels in Asia when he returned to 139 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: Italy uh. And it's believed that this more closely resembled 140 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: sherbet than an ice cream uh. And some people say 141 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: that it's the genesis point for ice cream and gelato 142 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: and similar frozen treats developing in Italy in the mid 143 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: fift hundreds, It's possible that Catherine de Medici introduced some 144 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: kind of ice cream to France when she married Henry. 145 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: The second yeah, that she carried it over. So those 146 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: are all different. I have read different accounts. The point 147 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: to each one of those things is this is where 148 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: ice cream started. But uh, and they all may or 149 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: may not have truth to them. They're all, like I said, 150 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: pointed out in various discussions of ice cream as like 151 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: this is our ice cream really got its start. There's 152 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: so much variation, and many of them don't involve dairy, 153 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: so a lot of people will discount them um or 154 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: some people will support them, depending on their beliefs and 155 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: definitions um. And also I think that in some cases 156 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of like cultural pride comes into it. 157 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: There are people in France that will say it came 158 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: from France, people from Italy that will say it came 159 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: from Italy, people from China that will say it came 160 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: from China. Where we're about to discuss because that often 161 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: gets UH believed in. But the truth really is probably 162 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: that there were many people wanting a delightful, tasty, cool treat, 163 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: particularly in hot weather. And so I think a lot 164 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: of different techniques and cultural desires kind of went into 165 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: the ice cream that we eat today. And how it developed. 166 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: The most favored origin story for ice cream is that 167 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: it comes from China, So there are some references to 168 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: a milk and rice mixture packed into snow for freezing 169 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: as early as two hundred BC. Then during China's Tang 170 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: period from six eighteen to nine oh seven, it's believed 171 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: that a version of ice cream was popular with the 172 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: nation's rulers, and they actually had dedicated iceman. These men 173 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: their entire job was to keep the palace supplied with ice, 174 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: and they would bring that ice from the mountains and 175 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: then it would be combined with a fermented milk which 176 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: is called kumis uh and camphor and flour. And the 177 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: dairy element could be sourced from a number of different animals. 178 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: It could be um, cow milk, goat milk, or buffalo milk, 179 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: and the camphor was used to enhance the texture and flavor. 180 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: But that makes me have question marks in my head 181 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: and my stomach because it seems like it would taste 182 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: like mothballs right well, And I also wonder um, as 183 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: we talked about in our episode on the History of Cheese, 184 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: how a lot of adults can't tolerate lactose uh because 185 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: they haven't been there, their digestive systems haven't been gradually 186 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: accustomed to it. In in Chinese cultures and a lot 187 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: of Asian cultures, lactose intolerance is a lot more prevalent, 188 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: so milk is not a big ingredient in a lot 189 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: of Asian cooking. Yeah. So I kind of wonder whether 190 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: either the fermenting process took down the amount of lactose, 191 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: which probably actually I think no, I think yeast Houston 192 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: Brewing and Fermenting does not eat lactose. I'm super curious 193 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: about this now, me too. It's fascinating to think about. 194 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: And I was surprised that it is the most favored 195 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: story since we don't associate Asia and China specifically with 196 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: a lot of dairy consumption. That's kind of interesting. Uh. 197 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: And it could be that it was so rare that 198 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: that was part of why it became a yummy, palatial 199 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: like special treat, that there was some level of um 200 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: um exclusivity to it that made it appealing. For all 201 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: we know, it totally upset their stomach, a special treat 202 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: that made you feel ill afered. But once all of 203 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: these ingredients were combined, they would pack the mixture into 204 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: these metal tubes and then submerge them in an ice 205 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: pool for freezing, which is kind of cool to think about. 206 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: I wonder if anybody does that style of ice cream 207 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: making today. I would try it for sure, even if 208 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: it does taste like muffles. I don't know. If I 209 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: would try camp for ice cream. I would try it. 210 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm adventurous. I'll try almost anything. Yeah, somehow I would 211 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: be more inclined to eat bugs than camp for ice cream. 212 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: But then there is a lot of things that happened 213 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: having to do with, um, the area of Turkey and 214 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: Arab cultures, and how that kind of slowly gets ice 215 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: cream and frozen treats into Europe, Europe and the European countries, 216 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: and then it kind of takes a lot of big 217 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: steps towards being the dessert that we know today. Arab 218 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: people's are said to have drunken iced slushy like sherbet 219 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: style drink, and medieval times, uh, this was normally fruit flavored, 220 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: and apparently it spread to several European cultures because it 221 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: was so refreshing and tasty. Yeah, the travelers that would 222 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: travel around the Mediterranean and do trades with other countries 223 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: kind of picked up this habit of drinking it brought 224 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: it right back home with them. And one of the 225 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: supporting elements for the belief that ice cream true, you know, 226 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: true ice cream I'm making the air quotes originated in Italy, 227 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: comes from their knowledge of chilling various beverages in the 228 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: mid to late fifteen hundreds, using a slurry of saltpeter 229 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: and snow to like submerge things and quickly almost flash 230 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: freeze them. And we know this was used for wine 231 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: to cool it down, but it's believed that this process 232 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: may have also been applied to chilling these slushy sherbets 233 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: that they had discovered and picked up as a habit 234 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: when they were traveling uh And they were sometimes called 235 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: Turkish sorbets. And the word sorbet is one that in 236 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: different European cultures. As this history goes on, it really 237 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: gets traded around in ways that are not consistent. Different 238 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: things were being called sorbet that we would define differently 239 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: I think today. So that's a tricky one. If you're 240 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: reading any of the the passages or sources we list 241 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: in the show notes, just know that sorbet is a 242 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: word that gets kind of tossed around without consistency. Yeah. Well, 243 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: and if you've if you've ever seen, you know, an 244 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: old fashioned ice cream maker do its thing, you can 245 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: sort of see a seed of that process and this 246 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: whole idea of using a slurry of saltpeter and snow 247 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: to cool stuff down. Yeah, so they were onto it 248 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: early sorbet as we know, it was invented when these 249 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: icy drinks, uh were made into hard frozen to eats 250 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: that incorporated sugar. The man who gets the credit for 251 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: this is Antonio Latini, who was working as a steward 252 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: to the Chief Minister of the Spanish Viceroy in Naples 253 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: in the late sixteen hundreds. He further experimented and added 254 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: dairy to the mix. In Latini's book Scalco ala Moderna, 255 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: which means carver to the modern, He included recipes for 256 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: lemon strawberry, sour cherry, chocolate and cinnamon ice, and a 257 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: milk ice that's often cited as the first two ice 258 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: cream recipe. I would eat any of those. They sound 259 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: very interesting. Um, cinnamon I sounded really interesting to me, 260 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: mostly because my husband really loved cinnamon. And in six 261 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: six a cafe in Paris opened UH. Sometimes it's called 262 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: Il Procope, sometimes La Procope, sometimes Cafe Procope, but it's 263 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: proprietor was actually Sicilian. It was a man named Francesco 264 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: Procopio de Cortelli UH, and it offered a variety of 265 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: ice treats, and some historians credit him with bringing gelato 266 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: to France, but others say his cafe only offered very 267 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: cold beverages, so there's some discrepancy about what was really 268 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: on the menu and whether he was importing ice cream 269 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: to France. Um. But what's really interesting is that that 270 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: cafe is still open today, so you can go visit it. 271 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: It really has the established six six sign above it, 272 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: and you can go. Let's go now, all right, get 273 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: in the car. The French had already been experimenting with 274 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: ice cream like treats, specifically a concoction called fromage, which 275 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: is very similar to ice cream. This was not made 276 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: with cheese, even though it has the same word as cheese. 277 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: It's not completely clear why the two words share the 278 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: same name, but it's possible that the frozen dairy dessert 279 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: was chilled in cheese molds. As fromage developed and started 280 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: to be referred to as nij which is the French 281 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: word for snow, and then gloss, which is what it's 282 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: now called today. It became incredibly popular throughout the country, 283 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: and in six which was the same year Latini's cookbook 284 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: for Isis came out, a French cookbook for similar desserts 285 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: entitled La Maison regulas which is a well ordered home, 286 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: was written by Nicholas Audeger, and it was touted as 287 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: being quote the true method for making all sorts of 288 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: water essences and liqueurs strong and refreshing in the Italian style. 289 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: Odege's book was much clearer in its recipes and instructions, 290 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: and it's spelled out exactly how to make cram glass 291 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: a which is frizzing cream. The use of a bucket 292 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: inside of another bucket with the gap between the two 293 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: filled with ice and salt is described, as well as 294 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: the method for stirring the mixture in the interior bucket 295 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: as it freezes until it has the consistency of snow, 296 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: which is really how I scream sti't get made, yep, 297 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: unless you're making it in a funky science experiment, which 298 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: is also fun or if you're in a factory. But 299 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: when people have their home machines. That's it's really the 300 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: same deal going on. Um and auDA Jay's book you 301 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: can actually read online if you are fluent in French. 302 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: We will have that link in the show notes. Uh, 303 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: my French is not good enough to follow a recipe 304 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: of that nature. It's kind of mediocre. Uh. But then 305 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: sort of an interesting thing happened, and this is sort 306 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: of the point where it becomes a very American treat. 307 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: So while ice cream existed in Europe for many years prior, 308 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: and the recipes and the love of the treat traveled 309 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: across the Atlantic with the colonists in the seventeen forties, 310 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: there is also this kind of wacky mythological tale that 311 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: attributes the invention of ice cream to Martha Washington. Uh. 312 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: The story claims that she left a bowl of sweet 313 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: cream outdoors overnight and accidentally stumbled upon the creation when 314 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: she discovered the forgotten dish, which had frozen the next morning. 315 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: And of course this is completely untrue. We have instances 316 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: of ice cream going on way before that. And there's 317 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: actually the first account of ice cream in America is 318 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: in a her from seventeen forty four, which was written 319 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: by a guest of William Bladen, who was the governor 320 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: of Maryland, UM. And this guest was writing of the 321 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: time that he visited with the politician and what was 322 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: served while he was there, and ice cream was one 323 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: of the things too. So even though Martha Washington did 324 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: not invent ice cream, George Washington did love it. Like 325 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: that's an understatement. I think he really super loved it. 326 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: In the seventeen eighty four Ledger for Mount Vernon, there's 327 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: a record of an ice cream machine being acquired for 328 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: the sum of one pound, thirteen shillings and threepence. And 329 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: even with his own ice cream turns at home. In 330 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: seventeen ninety, George Washington is said to have spent two 331 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: hundred dollars over the course of one summer on ice 332 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: cream at a local shop, which is apparently close to 333 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars of today's money. May have contributed 334 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: to the wooden teeth mythology. Well, And it's funny when 335 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: I was talking to my husband about this, because I 336 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: was blathering on about how interesting I found it, he 337 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: or if it wasn't, because he had the wooden teeth, 338 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: ice cream was a yummy thing. He could easily eat 339 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: because it would melt in his mouth. I think everyone 340 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: had I mean, definitely everyone had terrible teeth at the time, 341 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: but George Washington's terrible teeth are are infamous. Shortly after 342 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: Washington's death, an inventory of Mount Vernon was made and 343 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: numerous ice ice cream supplies turn up. In that inventory. 344 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: There were two Pewter ice cream pots as well as 345 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: numerous special ice cream serving dishes. Ice Cream was a 346 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: favorite treat for both the company, who would you know, 347 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: arrive and stay there and for the family in residence. Yeah, 348 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: when they had state dinners, you were pretty much going 349 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: to get ice cream as dessert. Uh. It was really like, 350 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: I can't stress enough how much George Washington loved it. 351 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: But he was not the only person. Thomas Jefferson had 352 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: his own recipe for vanilla that he had handwritten now 353 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: and he served it with Savoy cookies. And you can 354 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: actually see that handwritten recipe online. It's part of the 355 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: American Treasures of the Library Congress, and we'll link to 356 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: that in our show notes. And he is Jefferson is 357 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: said to have maintained multiple ice houses so that he 358 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: could constantly be storing ice for making more ice cream. 359 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 1: As well as storing his ice cream once it had 360 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: been made. That he was just stockpiling ice cream supplies 361 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: and ice cream. I'm also in favor of a giant 362 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: ice cream stockpile. The Lincoln's were also big fans Mary Todd. 363 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: Lincoln would frequently host strawberry parties, which will get togethers 364 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: centered around dessert service and co starring with the ice 365 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: with the strawberries was ice cream. Yeah. So, uh, ice 366 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: cream has a very favored history with American presidents and 367 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: even more modern presidents have definitely sung the praises of 368 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: ice cream and we all love it. It's good, I'm 369 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: telling you. Uh. And perhaps because of the popularity with 370 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: the early political leaders, ice cream was enthusiastically embraced in 371 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: the US, But up until the early eighteen hundreds it 372 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: was kind of a fancy pants dessert for wealthy people 373 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: and high society types. Yeah. If average people cannot afford 374 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: to keep things cold and uh and to get all 375 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: the ice and the sugar and everything else that are 376 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: needed to make it, then it does make it a 377 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: very exclusive food. Yeah. So then when you think of 378 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: people maintaining multiple ice houses to keep their stockpile, that's 379 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: not something most people would have had access to, but 380 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: the insulated ice house was invented around the turn of 381 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: the century, so that meant that more people could have 382 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: ice cream on hand, whereas prior to that, only wealthy 383 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: people could really maintain an ice house because they would 384 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: have to have a constant ice coming in and constant 385 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: management of the situation in the temperature. Yeah, it really 386 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story about why 387 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: sweet tea is so popular in the South. It had 388 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: to do with if you could afford the sugar and 389 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: the ice needed to make sweet tea. You're doing all right, Yeah, 390 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a calling card of your aristocracy. 391 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: Would you like to come over and have sweet tea? 392 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: On my part the money for that On the Verandah 393 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: in the early eighteen forties, New Jersey housewife Nancy Johnson 394 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: made ice cream in the normal way, in a metal 395 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: bucket packed with ice and salt. It was great, but 396 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: this was really, as we've talked about, a time consuming 397 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: and it's hard to keep things consistent when you're having 398 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: to stir them constantly. So she invented the hand cranked 399 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: ice cream churn and her new artificial freezer was patented 400 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: on September and the basic design continues to be popular 401 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: now with pretty minimal changes. Yeah, ice cream churns that 402 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: you by now are so similar to that original one. 403 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: Obviously the components are made of more modern materials, but yeah, 404 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: the same. But you can also still buy hand crank 405 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: can there. You take a little more work, you earn 406 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: that ice cream, which is probably good, but um, yeah, 407 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: it's it's retained its function and it's continued to be 408 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: about that same thing that the Italians were doing with 409 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: ice and salt mixed together surrounding this thing surrounding the 410 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: dairy bucket so they could kind of quickly freeze it. 411 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: So little change, don't mess with perfection. The first commercial 412 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: ice cream factory was opened in eighteen fifty by Jacob Fustle, 413 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: and he was a dairyman from Baltimore and he wanted 414 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: to make use of the surplus cream that his dairy 415 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: was producing, which you know, once they had cleared that off, 416 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: they had to use it very quickly, so it went 417 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: into making ice cream, and so ice cream at that point, 418 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: you know transition. It became not just a home main 419 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: treat that you would be using your hand crank for 420 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: but an actual industry, which, as we know, has flourished. Yes, 421 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy four saw the first ice cream soda shop 422 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: in the United States as well as the origin of 423 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: the soda jerk. So the late Victorian and Edwardian era 424 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: saw a real explosion in ice cream popularity. By the 425 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: nineteen teens, all of America was covered in ice cream shops. 426 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: And another thing that may have contributed to ice cream 427 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: sort of being so associated with the US is that 428 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: during World War Two, ice cream was like a huge 429 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: part of the morale efforts of the U. S. Armed Forces, 430 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: Like it was literally listed as a line item in 431 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: their morale budget, like that they had to have rations 432 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: of ice cream for the soldiers. The military served ice 433 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: cream to the troops, and they even established this blows 434 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: my mind in the most wonderful way, a floating ice 435 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: cream parlor in the Western Pacific that would serve the soldiers. 436 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: So it was like a floating treat factory. It was 437 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: on a barge and it had to be towed by 438 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: other ships. It wasn't self powered, but its only job 439 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: was to produce ice cream for soldiers. Uh, which is 440 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: really fascinating and interesting. Uh. And it was quite expensive apparently, 441 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: and when the war concluded, ice cream was a huge 442 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: part of the festive tis. From the end of the 443 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: war through the seventies, prepackaged ice cream started to grow 444 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: as something that you could buy at the supermarket. And 445 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: it's the planted most of the quaint ice cream shops 446 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 1: that had become popular in the early dreds. Yeah, and 447 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: of course that sort of started this big shift that 448 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: we've witnessed in the last couple of decades where some 449 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: people would say the quality goes down when you're getting 450 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: um ice cream at the supermarket. But then there has 451 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: also been this sort of growth of the boutique industry 452 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: of these smaller ice cream shops again that are kind 453 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: of more specialized, their artisan ice creams. Now. I've visited 454 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: two of such shops over Fourth of July weekend when 455 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: it was extremely hot in Boston. Yeah. A good fresh 456 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: ice cream, like a homemade ice cream, is good stuff. Uh. Yeah, 457 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: And we have these specialty shops all over the US 458 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: now and in other countries as well. But of course 459 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: we owe all of these yummy treats were enjoying with 460 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: all of our mix ins to China. Or Nero or 461 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: Marco Polo or King Solomon, depending on whose version of 462 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: the story you believe in which definition you would heere 463 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: to in terms of historical context. Ice cream, I love it. 464 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: I was just immensely relieved the time this particularly, like 465 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: I can understand how it became a popular thing to 466 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: serve ice cream during the harvest, or to people who 467 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: were traveling in hot weather. Um, just because of having 468 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: walked to a place in the ninety degree heat and 469 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: then walked back while drinking a frozen drink, and man, 470 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: was a different experience. The trip back was so much 471 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: better than the trip out, and the whole all I 472 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: had been able to think was it's so hot. It's 473 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: so hot. And then on the way back, I was like, 474 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm drinking delicious. This was this was a like a 475 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: sorbet that was yeah, a frozen tree. It's shocking how 476 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: active they are and just kind of cooling you down 477 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: and making you feel good on a day that is sweltering. 478 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: We um. Anybody that runs knows probably about the Peachtree 479 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: road Race, which is a huge race here in Atlanta 480 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: on the fourth of July. It's like up to sixty 481 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: runners now, so it's quite mammoth. Uh. And after you finish, 482 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: you kind of have to go through this cattle shoot 483 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: set up where they march everybody up this one street 484 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: to get back to public transportation. And smartly, a few 485 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: years ago, we have a local um ice cream popsicle. 486 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: It's not all ice cream, but a popsicle vendor called 487 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: King of Pops, and they had the very smart business 488 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: idea to start setting up rolling carts along that route 489 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: because you can't go off of that route, like they 490 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: kind of keep you cordoned in and police block off 491 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: other streets so you can't kind of verge out and 492 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: have a mass. So it's just like all these people 493 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: marching by, and it's so hard to resist. You just 494 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: pull out your money or your credit card and you're like, yes, 495 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: please give me the pops and it makes it so 496 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: much better than if you were just walking without them. Yeah, 497 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: we were walking to Fenway Park on the fourth where 498 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: people ate lots of ice cream to keep cool. Um, 499 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about the Peach Gree Road race 500 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: and how it must have been miserable. Yeah, I did 501 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: not run it this year. I usually do, but I 502 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: opted not to this year. Um partially because I thought 503 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: about that horrible march back to public transportation, and I 504 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: dislike it so much that I was like, that's let 505 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: somebody else have the entry. There's like a whole lottery 506 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: system to even get into the race anymore because it's 507 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: gotten so big. Uh. And apparently there was so much 508 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: rain this year that the park that you kind of 509 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: have to travel through to get done, get your stuff, 510 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: and then leave was covered in mud. So I was 511 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,239 Speaker 1: glad I missed it, but kudos to everybody that ran 512 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: it because it was sweltery and muggy. I ran just 513 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: not there. But I did not have ice cream afterwards, 514 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: so that's my punishment like now, and I did not 515 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: have ice cream at Fenway Park, just because when the 516 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: ice cream was coming by, it was late enough in 517 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: the game game that we were starting to think about 518 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: when you're gonna leave, Yes, at which point I did 519 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: get a frozen coffee drink Yo also delicious. Thank you 520 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: so much for joining us for this Saturday Classic. 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