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Speaker 1: This the One Bill's Live, presented by Calda Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into a Friday edition of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Chasterer with you. And you know it's

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Speaker 2: our first h free weekend in a while. Go yeah,

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Speaker 2: anything happened to you? Have length?

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Speaker 3: Steve?

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Speaker 1: This is this so speaking of free weekends. So we're

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Speaker 1: all going through this thing. Right. So I get in

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Speaker 1: the I get in the truck, come into work this morning, right,

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Speaker 1: and I use Spotify. I know there's other I'm not really,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. This isn't a Spotify commercial. I know there's

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Speaker 1: Apple Music and all this other stuff. I used Spotify

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Speaker 1: and it's got this DJ, this AI DJ where it'll

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Speaker 1: pop up music that it thinks you like and that

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Speaker 1: that they don't care about. So I'm I'm coming in.

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I turn on the music and

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Speaker 1: I turn on this DJ app part of the app,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'll give you a guess what what

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Speaker 1: song pops on right right out of the gate. First one?

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Speaker 2: Is it the shout song?

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Speaker 1: No, it's mister Brightside.

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Speaker 2: Oh how about it?

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Speaker 1: I had to choke back tears. Oh, I was like god,

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Speaker 1: it was so fun.

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Speaker 2: Ai you're hitting me with that, You're hit with you

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Speaker 2: with that.

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Speaker 1: It was so fun that the season and then this

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Speaker 1: it's like it's gone.

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Speaker 2: This is proof gone that AI DJs have no feelings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no emotion, no emotion none. I was I had

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Speaker 1: to choke back to you. I was like that es savagely.

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Speaker 1: They had to like walk it off.

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Speaker 2: I had to like take a deep breath.

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Speaker 1: I didn take a deep breath.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty savage by an ad.

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Speaker 1: I come in today and the league does this. I'm

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Speaker 1: you people on well listen to radio, can't see it.

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Speaker 1: I'm holding this up. This is they They send out

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Speaker 1: big copies to all the teams the Super Bowl program,

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Speaker 1: hard copy, a big cattle, big shiny catalog.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: I had the job one year of going down. It

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Speaker 1: was it was the uh super Bowl. It was the

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Speaker 1: first Super Bowl in Tampa Bay since Super Bowl twenty

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Speaker 1: five when the Bills were in it. So the I

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Speaker 1: won't know what this is. The NFL Game Day program.

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Speaker 1: NFL Game Day is what it was. Sent me down

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Speaker 1: as an ambassador to to pub the program. Tow Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it's big. I mean you gotta buy it, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a big deal. So they sent me

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Speaker 1: down to pub it, and here it is still going strong.

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Speaker 1: It's got you know, it's a program of the game,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's like good grief. It's like it's one

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Speaker 1: of those stiff back catalogs, you know.

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Speaker 2: Back when I was on the writing side of Buffalo

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Speaker 2: bills dot com pages, back when I was on the

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Speaker 2: writing side of Buffalo Bill's dot com for a minute,

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Speaker 2: one of my off season duties was to put together

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Speaker 2: the Bill's yearbook.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's a heavy lift, dude. The back and forth with

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Speaker 2: proofing pages and layouts and holy crow man, yea. I

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Speaker 2: got a lot of respect for people in the print

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Speaker 2: publication business because it is a heavy lift.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it though. I got in the and

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Speaker 1: that mister Bright's side came on. It all came back,

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Speaker 1: right back, right back.

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Speaker 5: To the ball.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry you had to experience that, and I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: you were by yourself in your car when that happened.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like you needed a hug in that moment.

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Speaker 1: No, not really. I was laughing at myself after I

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Speaker 1: got I realized wrong with me? What is wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you know it. We're all we were all

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Speaker 1: there a minute, man, we were all there for a minute.

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Speaker 2: Ah yeah, Well, Brandon Bean said yesterday, he's still not

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Speaker 2: over it. He's he basically needs a week to not

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Speaker 2: really examine anything because he doesn't think he can do

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Speaker 2: it objectively because the emotions are still very raw for him.

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Speaker 2: And look, I get it, man, right, It's tough. It's tough,

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Speaker 2: but we'll all survive, We'll all move on and hopefully

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Speaker 2: they are bigger and better things ahead for this team.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm distracted here. I've got I had to

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Speaker 1: change my password today and say, oh yeah, driving me crazy.

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Speaker 1: It is driving me crazy.

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Speaker 2: Steve has I'll just say this, Steve has a special

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Speaker 2: relationship with our I T department here in the building.

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Speaker 1: They love Steve and they do not love Steve. Steve

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Speaker 1: is a problem child because Steve is a slow learner

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Speaker 1: and Steve pulls pulls boneheads once in a while where

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Speaker 1: the entire building has to get shut down and say

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Speaker 1: you you what did you? What did you tweet?

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Speaker 2: Out of those happened yesterday, Steve has already left. I'm

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Speaker 2: in the office and one of the I T guys

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Speaker 2: comes dad, he goes. He is tasker around I was like, no,

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Speaker 2: why he goes it's in a little bit of trouble.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what, what the heck did he do?

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Speaker 2: Did he run over a cat outside in the park.

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Speaker 1: Of the thing? We do the podcast, the Builds by

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Speaker 1: the Numbers podcast, and they cut our crack staff in

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Speaker 1: the in the studio they cut little teasers, do they

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Speaker 1: you know we kind of he wants to tweet out

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Speaker 1: on our Twitter handles. Well, I I did that in

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Speaker 1: a way that was not exactly the right way to

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 2: It's not the most secure way to do.

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Speaker 1: It right, and I and I went so I did it,

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Speaker 1: didn't think a thing about it, went back later and

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Speaker 1: checked on it was like, ah, that didn't work. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the problem was. So I deleted that

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Speaker 1: tweet and then you know, then I just retweeted yours

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Speaker 1: or tried to anyways. But when I tweeted my thing out,

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Speaker 1: it was like wrong. And the IT department got bells

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Speaker 1: and whistles and they were like, they're like, what day? What?

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Speaker 1: I was like, hey what and there so they're coming down.

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Speaker 1: So I come into work today and I got a

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Speaker 1: change like none of his stuff worth nothing, my passwords,

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Speaker 1: my e and none of it. And yeah, I hate

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Speaker 1: myself right now, along with the IT department.

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Speaker 2: It's all been wrecked. They don't hate you.

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Speaker 1: They kind of do they.

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Speaker 2: I think they wonder about you sometimes, but they don't

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Speaker 2: hate you.

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Speaker 1: That's understandable.

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Speaker 2: There is.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to be a long offseason. I can

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Speaker 1: tell already.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, just start it. Yeah, we got some Bills

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Speaker 2: notes to toss your way, just some minor roster stuff

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Speaker 2: as they continue. As the Bills continue to fill out

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Speaker 2: to a reserve future contract. That was defensive tackle Branson Dean.

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Speaker 2: He was a rookie on the practice squad this past season.

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Speaker 2: He was an undrafted rookie, made the practice squad and

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Speaker 2: stayed there all year. Actually got called up for a

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Speaker 2: fold this offseason. Defensive tackle could be a position in

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Speaker 2: need of reinforcements and maybe a youth movement as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, knowing that Ed Oliver and Dwayne Carter I

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Speaker 2: think are locked, you know, to be on the roster

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Speaker 2: going forward, Daikwon Jones still under contract but thirty four

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Speaker 2: years old, and everybody else I believe are free agents,

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Speaker 2: including Austin Johnson, who they signed to a one year

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Speaker 2: So that could be a position where you know, Dean

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Speaker 2: although I think with the defensive tackle class in this

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Speaker 2: year's draft, we might come away with two by the

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a really interesting off season for

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Speaker 1: the Bills. They've got a lot of draft cap or

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Speaker 1: I think got ten picks, so.

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Speaker 2: They have a first round pick, two two's, two fours,

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Speaker 2: two sixes. So right now they have seven picks, but

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Speaker 2: Gabe Davis, they could be in line for up to

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Speaker 2: two compensatory picks. I checked one of the compensatory pick

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Speaker 2: gurus who knows the formula inside and out. Best case scenario,

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Speaker 2: Bills get a compensatory four and five four and five.

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Speaker 2: Worst case scenario, they get just one five, middle of

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Speaker 2: the road scenario two fives, so we'll see the Bills

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Speaker 2: compensatory formula. Last year, remember they were all upset about

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Speaker 2: it what they didn't get for Edmunds, right, losing him

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Speaker 2: in free agent. So who knows, But be nice to

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Speaker 2: get a couple of fives because now you got you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they be nice to get two fours

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Speaker 1: very well with those picks. But they also it's collateral

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Speaker 2: And they've got to do some cap maneuvering too, because

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Speaker 2: right now they're projected to be over. We don't know

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Speaker 2: we'll wait on that. But projections have them two and

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Speaker 2: do some cap maneuvering, some contract restructuring, and maybe some

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Speaker 1: They were twenty million dollars over last year.

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Speaker 2: Right, so maybe less of that, but still they may

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Speaker 2: have to explore some of that.

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Speaker 1: They're in a much better spot this year, no question

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Speaker 1: about it. But they've got some obligatory things that are

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Speaker 1: some things that you'd like to see them do out

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Speaker 1: you got to maybe extend Benford. They got a couple

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Speaker 1: of guys they need to look after that have really

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Speaker 1: played well for them, and you would expect them to

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Speaker 1: reward those guys when it's their time, and some of

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Speaker 1: those guys it's pretty close to being their time Benford.

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Speaker 2: Bernard Rousseau's going to be on his fifth year option

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Speaker 2: year this year, so do you want to extend him

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Speaker 2: the cap. Maybe. So, Yeah, they've they've got some decisions

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Speaker 2: Brandon Bean was asked specifically yesterday about a Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: extension and he said, look, Josh and I talk extensively,

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Speaker 2: and the way Brandon Bean talked about their relationship, it

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Speaker 2: sounds like Josh talks to Brandon about stuff before Brandon

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Speaker 2: even talks to Josh's agent about stuff like that's how

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Speaker 2: preliminary it is. So Brandon just talks directly to the

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Speaker 2: player in the case of Josh, before they even broach

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Speaker 2: what Brandon said yesterday is Josh wasn't in the headspace

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Speaker 2: to talk about any of that stuff, and neither was I.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not saying no, he won't get a redo

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Speaker 2: Jaguars requested to interview Bucks offensive line coach Kevin Carbury

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Speaker 1: I think that's petty. I think that's petty.

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Speaker 1: A respected guy. I've never met him, but he is

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Speaker 1: who they are, you know, and maybe David Shaw is

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Speaker 1: one of those guys. But I know that he's well

438
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Speaker 1: respected in coaching ranks, not only at the college level,

439
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Speaker 1: but also in the professional ranks.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the Obel Friday fan mail bag and

441
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Speaker 2: to the phone lines and starting us off this morning

442
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Speaker 2: or this afternoon. Boy, is it the weekend? Starting early

443
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Speaker 2: for me? Apparently? Let's go to Malachi in Buffalo. What's

444
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Speaker 2: up a Malachi?

445
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Speaker 6: Well, what's up?

446
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Speaker 7: How are you guys doing good?

447
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Speaker 1: Doing good?

448
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Speaker 7: I got a question. It kind of pertains to both

449
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Speaker 7: you guys. Now, I'm a I'm a student at you

450
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 7: be in the exercise science field, and I'm trying to

451
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Speaker 7: find like a niche into like working with athletes and stuff,

452
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Speaker 7: Like how did how did you guys get into that field?

453
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Speaker 7: Like obviously you guys are I mean not in like

454
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Speaker 7: science and stuff, but you guys, I mean made it

455
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Speaker 7: big in the NFL, like Brownie your announcer for the bills.

456
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Speaker 8: And and tasking.

457
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Speaker 7: You're like you Hall of Fame special teams are like,

458
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Speaker 7: what do you have any advice for me?

459
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Speaker 2: Internships with a capital I yeah, do as many as

460
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Speaker 2: you can while you're a student, and sometimes even when

461
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Speaker 2: you first graduate. You got to do them. Also, back

462
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Speaker 2: in our day, you didn't get paid for internships. At

463
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Speaker 2: least you get paid for internships now. But that's how

464
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: you both you bolster your resume and get it to

465
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Speaker 2: a place where you're a more attractive job candidate in

466
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Speaker 2: the real world.

467
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Speaker 1: And if you do get an internship, kill it in

468
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Speaker 1: that internship.

469
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Speaker 2: Make connections.

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Speaker 1: We got, you know, got a handful of people out

471
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Speaker 1: here who have done just that. I'll say this too.

472
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Speaker 1: When I was playing, I intern, I was an I

473
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Speaker 1: was a Pro Bowl All Pro player, and I was

474
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Speaker 1: an unpaid intern in the broadcast industry. Of course, Hey,

475
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Speaker 1: I didn't need the money. But I tell kids all

476
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Speaker 1: the time, if you can work for free, somebody will

477
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Speaker 1: hire you. Yeah, and now that's.

478
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Speaker 2: Against New York state law. Now, if they have to

479
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: pay you, which is a good thing, which is fine,

480
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: should be paid for your time.

481
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Speaker 1: But if you can work and work well and do

482
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Speaker 1: the job extremely well, you just make yourself indispensable. That's

483
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Speaker 1: how her internships work.

484
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Speaker 2: And look, you're at the University of Buffalo. You want

485
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Speaker 2: to do exercise science, like go down to the athletic

486
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Speaker 2: department and talk to the head athletic trainer and say, hey,

487
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Speaker 2: can I come in and kind of work alongside you?

488
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Speaker 1: Can I help and help whatever you need?

489
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Speaker 2: You know, and show him.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this too. On Brownie's Behalf. You know

491
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Speaker 1: you see Brownie here, he's the voice of the Buffalo

492
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Speaker 1: Bills on game day. Everybody, all Bills mafia now knowses

493
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: and recognizes his name and his voice. They watch him

494
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: work and he's done an absolutely fantastic job. He started

495
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Speaker 1: working for the team, like what twenty five years ago

496
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Speaker 1: he has been. He was a journalist and a team

497
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: reporter working for Bill's Digest and Da da da and

498
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: just and just did every job and exceeded expectations at

499
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Speaker 1: every turn. And and you know, here he is, this,

500
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Speaker 1: this this thing where And unfortunately what happened to Murph

501
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: and his health episode was an absolutely horrible break. And

502
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: really Brownie was the only person standing there who could

503
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Speaker 1: have possibly filled in for RF on the short notice

504
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: they had, and Brownie was ready, and here he is.

505
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Speaker 1: It makes it seems like it's like, wow, I was

506
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Speaker 1: a lucky stroke and not so much.

507
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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of times there's a there's about.

508
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Speaker 1: Ten thousand hours of work before Brownie got a sliver

509
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Speaker 1: of a chance to do what he's doing. And here

510
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Speaker 1: he is. And then he had and then they they

511
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Speaker 1: had two hundred guys apply for the job. So and

512
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Speaker 1: he he still didn't. He still wasn't a shoe in

513
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Speaker 1: to get it. So if you want to do the

514
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Speaker 1: work and you want to be in the business, well

515
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Speaker 1: there's two things you got to ask yourself. If that's

516
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Speaker 1: what you want to do, do it, If you only

517
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: want to do it because of the money. Do something else.

518
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Speaker 1: If you're doing anything, don't do it for the money.

519
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: Do it because you want to do it because you

520
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: love it. Because it's not going to be easy. That

521
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Speaker 1: I mean that, I mean, that's a big that's a

522
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Speaker 1: philosophical question more so than a sports question. But yeah,

523
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Speaker 1: that's the way it is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was doing high school basketball games thirty

525
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Speaker 2: years ago for twenty five bucks a game, and I

526
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Speaker 2: was the pregame host, the halftime host, the post game host,

527
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Speaker 2: the color commentator, and the play by play guy and

528
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Speaker 2: the head engineer setting everything up.

529
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Speaker 1: That's you can you're laughing, But that's the way it is.

530
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Speaker 2: It's funny.

531
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Speaker 1: Now, that's how people do it. That's how you do it.

532
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: You go in, you do everything, and you do everything

533
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: very well. Or if you don't do it well, you

534
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: learn how to do it well and you get better

535
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: and you just stick with it. And you know what,

536
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: He's twenty five years later, Brownie's got a job that

537
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people want and he's really good at

538
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: it because he was ready when the job came. And

539
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: then and Malachai, I got to tell you, if you

540
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Speaker 1: want to work in the sports industry. Nothing's stopping you

541
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Speaker 1: go do it, do it, and do it for whatever

542
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Speaker 1: whatever it takes to do it.

543
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Speaker 2: Do it, yeah, because if you love it enough, it

544
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: won't feel like work. And that's easy, the number one thing.

545
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Speaker 1: If it's Yeah, if it was easy, it wouldn't be

546
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Speaker 1: worth it. Right.

547
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Speaker 2: Let's move along, and thanks Steve, that was very nice

548
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Speaker 2: you to say. I appreciate that. We'll go to Dave

549
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Speaker 2: in Buffalo.

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Speaker 9: What's up, Dave, Hi there, Thanks for taking my call.

551
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 9: The conversation now that the season is over can turn

552
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Speaker 9: to important things like the draft and the Pro Bowl

553
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Speaker 9: and all these other strains off season things. And I've

554
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 9: been thinking about how the team, flag football and the

555
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 9: Pro Bowl fits together for the future of the NFL.

556
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Speaker 9: A big part of the NFL as a fan is

557
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Speaker 9: the heavy hit and all those things. But I remember

558
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 9: Chris was doing the around the NFL and you said

559
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Speaker 9: it was like a master report. You talk about all

560
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 9: these injuries and things like that. And one of my

561
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 9: other favorite quotes about the NFL is that the answers

562
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 9: to those NFL questions is money. And this strikes me

563
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 9: as the case where the answers are the same for

564
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Speaker 9: the players and the owners. They really wanted work to

565
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Speaker 9: extend the seasons, her players, extend the availability of players.

566
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Speaker 9: So I wonder if we're going to see the NFL

567
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Speaker 9: move towards flag football as a way of doing this

568
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Speaker 9: where you players get to show their skills and doing

569
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Speaker 9: all sorts of things on the field and there's all

570
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Speaker 9: the competition, but there's a lot less injuries. So I'm

571
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Speaker 9: curious what you think about where flag football fits is

572
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 9: an NFL future.

573
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting question because you know, the game

574
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: is much less vicious and physical and brutal than it

575
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Speaker 1: was even thirty years ago when I played, And it

576
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: is a very different football game. It is a very

577
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Speaker 1: different game tech the players with what defense defensive players

578
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: are capable of doing, and the type of tackles they

579
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: can make, and how they can initiate contact with a

580
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: with an offensive player with the ball, they have limited

581
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Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. In fact, I've said it

582
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: on the show here, it's it's almost impossible to play

583
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: defense anymore. And you're seeing it is that is a

584
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: slow and steady rise and scoring uh and all that goes.

585
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons is, well, the reason more

586
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: than anything else is the safety of the players. The

587
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: league felt very vulner and you talk about money, it

588
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: comes down to what the league thinks it should do.

589
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: They felt like maybe there was a chance the whole

590
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: league could be brought down by old guys like me

591
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Speaker 1: coming back and saying you're responsible for my laid in

592
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Speaker 1: life injuries and I want compensation. And the league didn't

593
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Speaker 1: like that, and so they started making it safer, and

594
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: started making tangible steps toward making the game safer with

595
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Speaker 1: helmets and with rule changes and all of that, so

596
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Speaker 1: that they would have demonstrable evidence that they are trying

597
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Speaker 1: to keep the players safe, up to and including keeping

598
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Speaker 1: the players safe from themselves by wanting to go back

599
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: in when they're hurt. Yeah, the league is. And the

600
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: joke always was back in the seventies when I was

601
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: growing up, and when they started protecting players in any way,

602
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: shape or form, it was like, well, it's already flag football, right,

603
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Speaker 1: And that's ridiculous to think about now. For now it's

604
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Speaker 1: two different sports. But there's no question about the fact

605
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: that it is a completely different physical game than it

606
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Speaker 1: was even thirty years ago and certainly fifty years ago.

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Speaker 1: The big question for the NFL is this. Can they

608
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Speaker 1: continue to do this safer and safer and still make

609
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: it extremely compelling to watch on TV if they And

610
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Speaker 1: they're very good at it, and they'll figure out a way.

611
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: But that's the question. It's it's a tea the league

612
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Speaker 1: contract that the league doesn't contract with all these streaming

613
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Speaker 1: services and NFL networks and CBS and NBC and ABC,

614
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Speaker 1: they don't contract with them to put football games. They

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Speaker 1: contract them for programming.

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Speaker 5: The league.

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Speaker 1: You put whatever you want on, but it's three hours

618
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Speaker 1: an afternoon of this much programming. So and the league

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Speaker 1: knows they need to put something out there that people

620
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Speaker 1: want to watch. And right now, I mean, it's a monster.

621
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Speaker 1: Everybody wants to watch it. But as it changes, that

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Speaker 1: may change as well. And that's really the question.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it'll ever get to flag football in

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Speaker 2: terms of a league. Maybe if there's a way to

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Speaker 2: make money in a separate league of flag football, you

626
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Speaker 2: could see that as an offshoot perhaps of the NFL entity.

627
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Speaker 2: But I don't think NFL football as we know it

628
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Speaker 2: is ever going to truly go away. The reason that

629
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Speaker 2: the NFL makes such a big deal out of it

630
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Speaker 2: is because it draws and engages a whole other realm

631
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Speaker 2: of fans, most notably women, because youngers are now playing

632
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: flag football, they're learning the game, they're immersing themselves in

633
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: the game. That's going to make them more dedicated fans

634
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: of the game. So the whole point of flag football,

635
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: it's a business model to expand the fan base to

636
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: not just men age eighteen to sixty five, but to women,

637
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: who make up half the population. That's the main crux

638
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: of the flag football movement to expand and engage a

639
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: greater portion of the population as a dedicated fan base.

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00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: And it's working. It's absolutely working. Gotta take a break here,

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Speaker 2: more of your phone calls when we come back here

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Speaker 10: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bill's Live on a Friday,

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and we're gonna get

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Speaker 2: right back to the phones on this obl Friday fan Bag.

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00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: Any question under the sun you have about the Bills

648
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: or the league fired off at us at eight h

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Speaker 2: fifty Back to the phones and to Richard in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: what's up, Richard.

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Speaker 6: Good afternoon, gentlemen, thanks for taking my call. My first

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Speaker 6: question is in regards to your broadcast. We enjoy your show,

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Speaker 6: but have trouble getting it on the radio, so we

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Speaker 6: watched it on direct TV and we're no longer able

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Speaker 6: to find it. So we were wondering if it's been

657
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Speaker 6: taken off the TV side, what's it?

658
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Speaker 2: Let me TV is.

659
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Speaker 1: That's unless you you got to get MSG. I mean,

660
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Speaker 1: that's all right, we do it haven't been on there.

661
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Speaker 2: What's your what's your ZIP code out there? Richard?

662
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Speaker 6: One six seven zero one?

663
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Speaker 2: Okay, because we're writing the ones down that are having problems.

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Speaker 2: One six seven zero one.

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Speaker 1: You're not the only one, Richard. We've got another inquiry.

666
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Speaker 1: See and sometimes yeah.

667
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes the carriers have issues with the programming in terms

668
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Speaker 2: of their program lineup guide. We've had problems with that

669
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Speaker 2: on the cable side of things, and DirecTV has had

670
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Speaker 2: other issues. So as long as I got your ZIP code,

671
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Speaker 2: I can pass that along to them and say, hey,

672
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Speaker 2: we got a problem in this area, let's rectify it.

673
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Speaker 2: So we'll get on that right away for you.

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Speaker 6: Great, well, thank you for that. Yeah. My second third

675
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 6: questions have to do with the Kansas City game, Cook

676
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 6: did not touch the ball for at least three possessions,

677
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Speaker 6: it seemed, including the last one, and I was wondering

678
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Speaker 6: why that happened. And also the tight ends didn't seem

679
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Speaker 6: to be a focus of the passing, which seemed from

680
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Speaker 6: my understand was it's supposed to be a weakness of

681
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Speaker 6: Kansas City's. And then finally, I have a question on

682
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Speaker 6: the defensive ends, in particular the left defensive ends for

683
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Speaker 6: the Bills. They seemed to be caught inside quite a

684
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Speaker 6: bit going after the and the running back, and I

685
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Speaker 6: suppose maybe to help the center of the line more

686
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Speaker 6: or I was wondering if that was deliberate on the

687
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Speaker 6: Bill's part, or if it was because Kansas City's ball

688
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Speaker 6: handling kind of caught them by surprise. I'm going to

689
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Speaker 6: hang up and listen to your questions, and again, we

690
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Speaker 6: love your show, appreciate it, and go Bills.

691
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Speaker 2: All right, thanks, Richard, I appreciate that. I'll address the

692
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Speaker 2: Cook thing. We've discussed this a couple of times because

693
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Speaker 2: other callers have asked, you know, James Cook's not in

694
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Speaker 2: the game on the final drive, what's going on? They

695
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: were in two minute mode on that last drive of

696
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: the game three thirty three, left down three, and when

697
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 2: they're in two minute drill, Ty Johnson is usually the

698
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Speaker 2: running back on the field. The primary reason is in

699
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Speaker 2: two minute drill you're in pretty much all out pass

700
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Speaker 2: mode and Ty Johnson is the superior pass protector. He's

701
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Speaker 2: the best pass protecting running back on the football team.

702
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: So in order to protect Josh you do that. That's

703
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Speaker 2: why he was in. I think they should have still

704
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Speaker 2: been able to put Cook on the field in addition

705
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Speaker 2: to Johnson, put them both of the the backfield and

706
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: get a little creative with that, and then and use

707
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Speaker 2: him as a safety valve. Quick the question comes up,

708
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Speaker 2: what would that have done to the Chiefs defensive calls

709
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Speaker 2: if he had two backs on the field. And who

710
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Speaker 2: you're taking off the field?

711
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Speaker 1: Is it going to be? I mean, who's it gonna

712
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Speaker 1: be Mac Hollins, is going to be Hlil Shakir? Is

713
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Speaker 1: it going to be Dawson Knox or kin Kid? Which

714
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Speaker 1: one are you going to take off? So you can't

715
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Speaker 1: just keep adding people of the thing without taking somebody off?

716
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Speaker 1: And what does that do to the Chiefs defense? All

717
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: that stuff? You're right, and I'll say this too, Richard.

718
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Speaker 1: I agree, Uh, you would love to have seen Cook

719
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Speaker 1: in the game. We've talked about the reasons why we

720
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Speaker 1: think he might not have been in there, because he

721
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: got crushed in pass pro on a series before that.

722
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: The Chiefs knew that. And if Cook is in the game,

723
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Speaker 1: they're sending a guy on him, they're sending an extra rusher,

724
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Speaker 1: and they're forcing Cook to pass protect.

725
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Speaker 2: There is something to be said for putting him on

726
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Speaker 2: the field in addition to Ti Johnson and using him

727
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Speaker 2: in a different way. You can be more creative, use

728
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: him in the passage game.

729
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: Who are you gonna take off the field?

730
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Speaker 2: Well, take somebody else off the field. He's one of

731
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: your most dynamic athletes on the roster. And I would argue,

732
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: of the if you're gonna give me, ask me who

733
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Speaker 2: the two elite players on offense are, it's Josh Allen

734
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Speaker 2: and James Cook. So I think it's a worthy argument

735
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Speaker 2: having Hey, you could have put Cook on the field

736
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Speaker 2: to help you. And let's not forget he was having

737
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Speaker 2: a monster game.

738
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Speaker 1: Two things. You're right, he's having a monster game. I'll

739
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: say that if when you're in that mode, in the

740
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Speaker 1: two minute mode, your quarterback. The other elite guy on

741
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Speaker 1: the field has called Ty Johnson the best third down

742
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Speaker 1: back in the NFL, so they they had him out there.

743
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: It's a guy who's had a lot of success, a

744
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Speaker 1: guy who Josh trusts. I'm not saying that Josh made

745
00:36:52,480 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: the call. I'm just saying that. And quite frankly, the

746
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: plays that they called, the stuff that was being done,

747
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: it was a total miscommunication on the fourth and five

748
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: play and before that, and the play was there anyway,

749
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Speaker 1: if they'd have blocked it up up front, the plays there.

750
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: So the plays they were calling should have been and

751
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: were called, and they were going to be successful if

752
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: the players would have executed them. And I know, when

753
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out and when it comes down the

754
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: way it did, they should have done something different. That's

755
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: the way it's always going to be when you don't win.

756
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: And he also asked about you know, the tight ends.

757
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: Chiefs give up a lot of yards to tight ends

758
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: through the course of the year. Why didn't they kind

759
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: of focus on them? Maybe they took it away. I

760
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: haven't broken down the film yet. I can't watch the

761
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: game again yet to see if in fact, there were

762
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: opportunities or if they created opportunities for Kincaid or Knox.

763
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Speaker 2: They did make some plays through the course of the game,

764
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 2: but not a tremendous number of plays. I remember Knox

765
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: catching a red zone ball and got down to the

766
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: two yard line to set up first and goal. Kincaid

767
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: appeared to have the first down on third and five,

768
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: and then that led to the fourth down that Josh

769
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: had to try and did not get due to a

770
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: controversial marking of the football at the end of the

771
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: game when they were up one in the fourth quarter.

772
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Speaker 2: So take it for what it's worth. I don't think

773
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Speaker 2: it's worth a whole lot. And then what was the

774
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: last thing he was asking about. I don't remember.

775
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

776
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Speaker 2: There were a lot of questions in there. Sorry, we

777
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: didn't get to all of them. Let's go to Kim

778
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: in Angola next. What's up, Kim.

779
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to see a trade for a bonacide

780
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 3: pass thrusher, and I think the only team that's going

781
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: to be on the losing end for the next few

782
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: years is Cleveland, so I would trade for Garrett.

783
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great thought. It is a great thought fiscally,

784
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: though it doesn't make sense. Unfortunately, for the Cleveland Browns.

785
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: Kim while his salary that you would take on if

786
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: you were able to acquire Miles Garrett would be very

787
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: attractive because it'd be about nineteen million counting his option bonus,

788
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: assuming the brown would move him before they would have

789
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: to pay it. So the team getting him would It

790
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: doesn't matter because the dead cap hit for the Browns

791
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: is thirty six million dollars if they move Garrett and

792
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: they can't absorb that. So I don't see that happening

793
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: just because of the fiscal impact on the Browns by

794
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: moving him. It cost them thirty six million dollars to

795
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: move him off their roster. I don't think they want

796
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: to do that and capstrap themselves.

797
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

798
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 2: Stranger things have happened. The Bills took a thirty one

799
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: million dollar cap hit to move Diggs, so maybe it

800
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: is possible, but I think it's unlikely.

801
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, And there's a lot of

802
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: people in this building, not Brandon Bean per se, he

803
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: didn't say anything about it, but who think that's the

804
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: move as a trade for a guy and not just

805
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. It also is Max Crosby. I saw Trey

806
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: Hendrickson from Cincinnati, who had had seventeen and a half sacks,

807
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: double digit sacks two years in a row, upwards of

808
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: fifteen two years in a row. But he's been injured.

809
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: He's a little injury prone, and he's gonna be thirty. Yeah,

810
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: there's guys out there. There's guys out there. But you

811
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: got to be willing to pay the price and then

812
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: pay the player. Yeah, pay the price to the other

813
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: team to get him, and then pay the player once

814
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: you do get him. You gotta have room for him.

815
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: But yes, Kim from Angoli, you're you're right, that's a

816
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: move that a lot of people anticipate.

817
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 2: Let's go to Kevin and Hamburg next. What's up Kevin, Hey, guys,

818
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 2: how you doing.

819
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 11: Thanks for taking my call. I was thinking about something.

820
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 11: You're talking about the contract ascension for Josh Allen in

821
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 11: that and I wanted to bring that up. I remember

822
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 11: in an orthonymic situation, but before John Elway won his

823
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 11: last two Super Bowls, he was willing to take a

824
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 11: massive pay cut or restructure and to get his old

825
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 11: enemy Neil Smith from the Chiefs on the Broncos. Before

826
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 11: the last two wins over the Packer before he find

827
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 11: me one against the Packers and then crush the Falcons.

828
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Speaker 11: He was willing to take a pay cut or do

829
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 11: some restruction that wouldn't hurt the team but only hurt

830
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 11: his money to get his old enemy on his team,

831
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 11: and said chasing them all over the place, and maybe

832
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 11: maybe we can pull John Elway something. It wouldn't be

833
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 11: the same thing, obviously, but get someone like the guy's like, well,

834
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 11: maybe the Miles Garubrah Crosby or Hendrick sand or Joey

835
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 11: Boza because we need something help on defense and Mbon

836
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 11: Miller don't come back. We need another leader and maybe

837
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 11: he could do that. Now obviously wouldn't be a team

838
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 11: as John Elway, but he did something that no one

839
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 11: expected him. I remember that in ninety seven before that season,

840
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 11: like what Neil Smith is going to the Bronclus and

841
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 11: he did willing to do some kind of restructuring and

842
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 11: besides getting Throrell Davis, it obviously worked. That's not have

843
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 11: him be terrorized by Neil Smith and terrorize other teams.

844
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Speaker 2: Yeah, defense, Yeah, I get the premise, Kevin. The Max

845
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: Crosby talk is an interesting one because there is an

846
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: out in Max Crosby's contract this year, the dead cap

847
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: hit for the Raiders would only be ten point two million,

848
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: which isn't bad. The question there is, you've got a

849
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: new head coach and Pete Carroll who's seventy three years old,

850
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: and does he really want to trade a cornerstone player

851
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: and plan for the future at age seventy three. I'm

852
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: not certain he does. That's the rub there as I

853
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: see it. He's not the GM, but I would think

854
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: he would weigh in on that discussion and say, look,

855
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 2: do we really want to get rid of our best

856
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: defensive player? What do we at what cost? So I

857
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: think if you can convince the Raiders to move Crosby

858
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: off their roster, they're going to be asking for an

859
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 2: awful lot. And maybe it's enough, and maybe you don't care.

860
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 2: Maybe you say, I want that guy and let's get him,

861
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: and if we have to give up a one in

862
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: a two to do it, let's do it.

863
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something in it, and certainly the Bills would

864
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: be in the market for that kind of thing, and

865
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: we talked about it. They've got some pretty good draft

866
00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: capital to get it done. They're drafting thirtieth. It's hard

867
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: to get a difference maker with that, But that does

868
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: carry a lot of weight with other teams because then

869
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: another team, say, if you're if you're the Raiders, and

870
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: I'm off the top of my head, I don't know

871
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: where the Raiders are picking, but they're maybe top ten.

872
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

873
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 2: I think there's seven or eight.

874
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: So if they could take the thirtieth pick and the

875
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: seventh or eighth pick, they could move up into the

876
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Speaker 1: top five and get a guy, you know what I'm saying,

877
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: So that would help them this draft. Yeah, I mean

878
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: it's a it's all, you know, we can all talk

879
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: about it all we want without knowing the specifics and

880
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: knowing the desire of the team and a new head coach.

881
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: Raiders pick six, Yeah, they're already picking six, so they're

882
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: gonna get a guy with the thirtieth pick. They could

883
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: move up a couple of spots. Maybe it's interesting.

884
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: Well, fiscally it's feasible, is my point, because hey, because

885
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: it's only a ten million dollar cap hit for the Raiders,

886
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: where with the Browns it's a thirty six million dollar

887
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: cap hit unlikely to happen. So yeah, I mean, you

888
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: can you can entertain, but I think you'd have to

889
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: do a lot of arm twisting to convince the Raiders

890
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: to part with the player of that calibreed be twenty

891
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: two million base salary this year. Got to take a break,

892
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Speaker 2: we go and to Kneil in North Carolina. What do

907
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 2: you got for us? Neil?

908
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Speaker 13: Hey, thanks for taking my call.

909
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 6: Guys.

910
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 13: I was looking at the stats in the four games

911
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 13: against KC and Josh has been great. One hundred point

912
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 13: two passing rating, nine touchdowns, one interception. A lot of

913
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 13: what I heard yesterday was the offense, some guys were injured.

914
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 13: In reality, it's the defense and they got to make

915
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 13: some sort of move. They averaged thirty five points a

916
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 13: game casey against us in the playoffs.

917
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 9: We're never going to win.

918
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 13: If that's what's going to happen.

919
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 8: Do you think possibly.

920
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 13: McDermott is set on his defense and the way he

921
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 13: likes defenses to be.

922
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 4: Played, and maybe if new eyes.

923
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 8: Came in, fresh.

924
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 13: Eyes came in, they can work and do things with

925
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 13: the defense. Could it's the same thing we see every

926
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 13: year and it's really getting frustrating.

927
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say this. They run the defense in

928
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Speaker 1: the way that maximizes the guys they have on their roster,

929
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Speaker 1: and it's not they're not going to say like, hey,

930
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: we're running this defense my way. No matter what, they

931
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Speaker 1: make adjustments on the fly, particularly went mostly and particularly

932
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Speaker 1: when they get guys in and out of the lineup

933
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Speaker 1: with injuries they've got. When they've got guys that aren't

934
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Speaker 1: as good as this guy and he has to play

935
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Speaker 1: instead of that guy because of an injury, they've got

936
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: to call a defense a little bit different and ask

937
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: their guys to play different techniques. That's I think more

938
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: so what we're looking at here. I don't think the

939
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: Bills defense there. The Bills defense did one thing really

940
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: well this year. That's generate turnovers. Everything else they were just.

941
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: Okay, middle of the pack to lower third in the league, just.

942
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: Okay if they would if they had not been as

943
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: proficient at getting turnovers as they were, the Bills would

944
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Speaker 1: not have been to the AFC Championship Game.

945
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: And what is an indicator of that? To me, that's

946
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: an indication that you're lacking elite talent on the defensive

947
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: side of the ball. And you heard coach McDermott say

948
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Speaker 2: it yesterday. He was generally speaking. He wasn't speaking about

949
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: his defense or offense specifically, but his philosophical opinion of

950
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: what makes you successful is in the playoffs is you

951
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: need two to three elite level players on each side

952
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: of the ball. I think you can argue Josh Allen,

953
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: James Cook or that on offense, maybe Khalil Shakira is

954
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: approaching that third in the league and yards after the

955
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: catch this year, so you might have what you need

956
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: on offense defensively. I think you'd be hard pressed to

957
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: name three elite talents on the defensive side of the ball,

958
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: and I think it's why in a lot of categories

959
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: they were average. I don't think the problem is scheme.

960
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: I think the problem is talent. I think they need

961
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: an influx of high end talent. However you choose to

962
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: acquire that, and maybe it's all three avenues, draft, trade,

963
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: free agency, but they I think they know they need

964
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: to be better at the top end of their talent

965
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: base on the defensive side of the football if they're

966
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: going to reduce that number. Because you're one hundred percent right, Neil.

967
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: In the regular season, the Bills hold the Chiefs to

968
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: an average of seventeen to eighteen points per game. In

969
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 2: the playoffs, it balloons to thirty five. You can't have

970
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: a seventeen point difference between regular season and playoffs for

971
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 2: your defensive points against average against the team you're trying

972
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: to get over on and advance in the playoffs past,

973
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: So you're one hundred percent right. I just think it's

974
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: a talent issue, not necessarily a scheme issue. Let's go

975
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Speaker 2: to Fred and west SENECONEX.

976
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 4: What's up, Fred, Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call.

977
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 4: I've been stewing on this all week and I appreciate

978
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 4: It's finally Friday. I'll get it off my chest. The

979
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 4: two point conversion. I do not like any team going

980
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 4: for two in the first half. I don't even care

981
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 4: if it's twenty four to nothing. Oh we can go,

982
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 4: you know, go for two, and we can. We're three

983
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 4: scores behind. Made a mistake. Bug's mistake in the game,

984
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 4: in my opinion, was McDermott, and I'm assuming he's the

985
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 4: one to call the Gopher two after the second touchdown

986
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 4: to obviously make it twenty one to eighteen. Okay, it's

987
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 4: still the first half. We didn't get it. We blew

988
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 4: the momentum we had. We went from scoring a touchdown

989
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 4: to the Chiefs fans going crazy because we didn't get

990
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 4: the two. If you do the math and every team,

991
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: both teams just kicked extra points after their touchdowns, Okay,

992
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 4: we it'd have been thirty one to thirty one and

993
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 4: we'd had the ball with three minutes to go.

994
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. For Fred. It's easy to say

995
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: that now when they don't work, but if you remember.

996
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 3: Not easy to say that now.

997
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it is because you know they didn't work.

998
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: No, I going to two in the first half is

999
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 4: a mistake.

1000
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: Well that's your philosophical opinion. Here's the other thing that

1001
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: I think you might be forgetting too Fred. There was

1002
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: a penalty there and so the Bills had the opportunity

1003
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: to get the two point conversion at the one yard line,

1004
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: not the two. And any analytics person will tell you

1005
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 2: from the two yard line it's a coin flip getting

1006
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: in when you move it to the one and increases

1007
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: almost twenty five percent in terms of success rate. So

1008
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: that change, hold on, you had your chance.

1009
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 5: Let me try it.

1010
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 2: Let me just try to counter you here a little bit,

1011
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: so they get it from the one yard line and

1012
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: they can increase their chance of getting in by almost

1013
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: twenty five percent. And what has been the knock on

1014
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 2: Sean McDermott every time he plays the Chiefs not aggressive enough.

1015
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: So here he is being aggressive, counting on his team

1016
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: with one of the best offensive lines in football, to

1017
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: get in the end zone when they need a yard

1018
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: and they don't get it. And really all that changed

1019
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: at that point in time was the difference between a

1020
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: five point deficit and a four point deficit. It's still

1021
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: a one score game. No matter which way you slice

1022
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: it in. The field goal doesn't help you there. Now. Look,

1023
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: if you want to have the philosophical opinion, Fred, that

1024
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: you don't want to chase points in the first half,

1025
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: I'll listen to that. That's your philosophy. Fine, they clearly

1026
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: had a different approach and against that Chiefs team, you

1027
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: have to be a great if you want to beat

1028
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: them in a football game. It's easy to say it

1029
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 2: now because it didn't.

1030
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 4: Work, Chris, That's my point. He's trying to get how

1031
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 4: many times did the Bills go for two in the

1032
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 4: first half this season? I couldn't find it. I don't

1033
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 4: even know. It could be zero, could be one, could

1034
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 4: be two. You're trying to get cute. Go for two,

1035
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 4: so you're going.

1036
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 3: To be down by three.

1037
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 4: You blew the momentum at the end of the half.

1038
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 4: Then you have to go for two again to chase

1039
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: that point. Don't get it again, case went for two

1040
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 4: when it made sense at the end, they're up by five,

1041
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 4: they go for two, or up by seven. Now we

1042
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 4: go to tie it up and they kick a field goal.

1043
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: Look, I understand where you're coming from, Fred, I mean

1044
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: that's your philosophy. I understand your I understand your point.

1045
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 2: Your philosophy is not to chase points early in the game,

1046
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: and I can respect that. I actually kind of prefer

1047
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: that in most cases. I think sometimes the thinking in

1048
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 2: the playoffs changes. It's do or die, and you got

1049
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: to win a football game, and you need as many

1050
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: points as you can get against that team, especially when

1051
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: your defense doesn't stopping it.

1052
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: It's a rarity because you got one play and you

1053
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: got absolutely gonna get points, or maybe not, but if

1054
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna get points, you gotta try it. And certainly

1055
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: you can say what you want about they made the

1056
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: extra point, took the points off the board, moved it closer,

1057
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: and tried to get two instead of just the one

1058
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: I had. I gotta be honest with you, I had

1059
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: no problem with them doing that, not at all. In

1060
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: that spot.

1061
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: He's trying to be aggressive. He's trying to trust his

1062
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: offensive line, which was the one of the best in football,

1063
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: to get a yard.

1064
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: When you think about it, we've seen it. What if

1065
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: they'd have gotten both those two extra two points and

1066
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: got the both two point conversions. That's that's now where

1067
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: you're sitting you're up one, the Chiefs, don't try that

1068
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: field goal at the end of the game. It have

1069
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: to be fourth and goal from the seventeen or whatever

1070
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: it was. If everything's all equal, I mean that, So

1071
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: that's I get it, though, I mean it's if it

1072
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: didn't work, you should have done the other thing, and

1073
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: Neil wouldn't have called us had they've got in both

1074
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 1: those two point conversions.

1075
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Speaker 2: Break time for Rock goes. When we come back. Second hour,

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Speaker 2: the show begins with senior producer from NFL Films, Greg Cosell.

1077
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1084
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 2: of the Buffalo Bills. All right, we'll review it with you, Greg.

1085
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 2: Execution not airtight for the Bills in this game. And

1086
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: even though it was tight, they just quite simply did

1087
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 2: not execute on as many plays as the Chiefs. Did

1088
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: you know when they come up three point short. I

1089
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of talk out on social media

1090
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 2: and all these other places about officiating, but I think

1091
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: even the players knew they did not play an airtight

1092
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: football game and it cost them.

1093
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I always struggle when games were

1094
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 5: that close, and you can certainly say, look, whenever you

1095
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 5: lose a game, players and coaches are always going to

1096
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 5: say that we didn't execute, you know, to the best

1097
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 5: that we could execute. But boy, that game was close.

1098
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 5: I mean they were obviously up twenty two to twenty one.

1099
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 5: You know, I've never been when I played sports one

1100
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 5: hundred years ago, I was never one to really comment

1101
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 5: on officiating, but that fourth down play was such a

1102
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 5: big play in the game. You know, it's you could

1103
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 5: look at and any number of plays in that game.

1104
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 5: I mean, one play that really stood out to me

1105
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 5: was when he had Samuel wide open on that shallow

1106
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 5: crosser and there was really no one in front of him.

1107
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 5: And I forget at what point that was in the game.

1108
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 5: Something tells me the first half, Brownie, is that correct?

1109
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna remember exactly. I haven't I haven't had I

1110
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: haven't had the stomach to review the tape.

1111
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know the play I'm talking about, I just

1112
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 5: forget you know, And and you know, was it a

1113
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 5: great throw?

1114
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 3: No?

1115
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 5: Could it have been caught? Yes, a great throw. And

1116
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 5: he's able to turn up the field with no one

1117
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 5: there because they had busted the coverage, and it probably

1118
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 5: turns out to be a twenty five to thirty yard game.

1119
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 4: Uh.

1120
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 5: You know, So you can go through in a game

1121
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 5: that's that's that close, you can always start going through

1122
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 5: individual plays. And I know that coaches and players always

1123
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 5: you know, speaking generalities, Oh we didn't execute well enough,

1124
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 5: but boy that you know that game was close. I mean, well,

1125
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 5: you know, you played in a lot of those games.

1126
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 5: It's well, you can always say you don't execute well

1127
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 5: enough when you lose. But you know, that's to me,

1128
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 5: that's an easy thing to say.

1129
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well right, and we knew it was going to

1130
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: be that way coming in. We've seen this. We've seen

1131
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: this four times before in these playoff games. The first

1132
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: AFC Championship game the Chiefs won easily by fourteen, and

1133
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: then every one of them has just been by the

1134
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: skin of the teeth. That's just been all the way through.

1135
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: It's been one of those games. Uh it, what do

1136
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: you say? You know too? And we've been taking calls

1137
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: all week and talking about this all week. Certainly, the

1138
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: Chiefs are no easy team to defend, particularly in their

1139
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: own building. But this, this Bill's defense just seems like

1140
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: to lack an elite player or two or three at

1141
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: levels of the defense that you really need them. And

1142
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that people are

1143
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: looking for, maybe as a sign of change, that the

1144
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: Bills would reach out and grab an elite pass rusher

1145
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: or a big time corner or maybe both.

1146
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's funny you say that, because you know,

1147
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 5: obviously I give this a lot of thought, you know,

1148
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 5: with with with every team really because that's what I do,

1149
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 5: but certainly with the Bills, because you know, I do

1150
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 5: talk to you guys every week. And so I was thinking,

1151
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 5: after that game, Okay, you know, I know what the

1152
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 5: what the narrative on social media is going to be.

1153
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 5: I never you know, go with that kind of stuff.

1154
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 5: You would think listening to social media on Monday, that

1155
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 5: the Bills you know, need to get rid of Josh Allen,

1156
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 5: you know, but you know how ridiculous that stuff is.

1157
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 5: But anyway, but I was thinking that when you really

1158
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 5: look at this defense, Steve, and I think you're one

1159
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 5: hundred percent right. I think they have a lot of

1160
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 5: nice players, good players. I mean, Milano's a good player,

1161
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 5: Bernard's a good player. I think the secondary probably needs

1162
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 5: some upgrades. I think Rousseau had a nice year, but

1163
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 5: he wasn't a factor at all in that game, you know,

1164
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 5: So I do agree with you. I think that when

1165
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 5: you really look at their defense, and this is the

1166
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 5: job now of Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott and you know,

1167
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 5: the entire scouting and coaching staff to really look and

1168
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 5: see where they need to improve. But I think that

1169
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 5: you could, I think you could say, and not be

1170
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 5: unfair about saying it, that they need some impact players

1171
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 5: on the defensive side of the ball.

1172
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely, uh And I would expect most of

1173
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: the offseason efforts to be addressing that side of the

1174
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: ball too. And I'm kind of running some of these

1175
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: plays through my head from the game because you referenced

1176
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: the Samuel play, there's also the play.

1177
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 5: You remember the play right, you know, And.

1178
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: There's also there's also a play out by the sideline

1179
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 2: where he completes it to Cooper, there's traffic out there.

1180
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: He gets through the traffic with a block in front

1181
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: of him, and a defensive player for the Chiefs makes

1182
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: a shoestring tackle. Otherwise he's up the sideline for twenty

1183
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: five thirty yards.

1184
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 5: I think that was Wasn't that the play that was

1185
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 5: on the on the final drive? Was it not?

1186
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: Yes?

1187
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 5: I believe that was on the final drive.

1188
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: And otherwise he's up the sideline for twenty five forty yards.

1189
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 5: No. No, So I mean, that's my point is, you know,

1190
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 5: so many you can go through individual plays and all

1191
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 5: these games when they're that close. And that's why I

1192
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 5: made the point that it's so easy after a game

1193
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 5: like that, you know, because Steve, you know you played,

1194
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 5: so you know when you lose a game. First of all,

1195
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 5: players right after a game are not thinking about all that.

1196
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 5: They're just disappointed. And it's so easy to say we

1197
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 5: didn't execute well enough. That's easy. But you know, look

1198
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 5: how close these games have been. And no knock on

1199
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 5: the Chiefs at all. We know that Mahomes is maybe

1200
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 5: on his way to being the greatest of all time,

1201
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 5: and we can you know, talk about some of the

1202
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 5: things there. But I mean, you go back to last

1203
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 5: year when Tyler Bass, who's really been a great kicker

1204
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 5: for them, missus a field goal in the playoffs that

1205
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 5: would have tied it and sent the game to overtime.

1206
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's so they probably said the

1207
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 5: same thing after that game that they didn't execute well enough,

1208
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 5: you know, but that's just so easy to say.

1209
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: All right, so let's look at it this way. I

1210
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: know that the Chiefs are certainly getting an awful lot

1211
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: of credit for the scheming that they came up with

1212
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: for this game. Yeah, what about Buffalo's scheming. I think

1213
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: they were limited defensively because after Benford goes out with

1214
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: an injury, and yeah, you know, they're already playing with

1215
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: a rookie at safety and Bishop, I feel like they

1216
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: just worked very hard to cover up the back end,

1217
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 2: which left them vulnerable in the short to intermediate area,

1218
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: which left either Patrick Mahomes with a lot of green

1219
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: grass to run into or to throw into for most

1220
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: of the afternoon.

1221
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, it's funny because I think what

1222
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 5: the Chiefs evolved into this season, and obviously you saw

1223
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 5: them twice, so you studied them, and you know them,

1224
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 5: they were not really a big playoffense this year. What

1225
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 5: they really morphed into was a third down convergent offense,

1226
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 5: and they did a really good job with that. I mean,

1227
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 5: I think in the third quarter, you know when they

1228
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 5: hit Brown for fifteen yards out of the bunch and

1229
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 5: it was versus man. Then they had Worthy for twenty

1230
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 5: four yards I think on the go ahead field goal

1231
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 5: drive for twenty four yards, a same kind of concept

1232
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 5: where you know, they did a lot of the natural

1233
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 5: pick or natural rob elements. You know, that's what they

1234
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 5: really evolved into. And then in the red zone they

1235
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 5: were really good. I mean, look, the play we're just

1236
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 5: looking at. The Mahomes touchdown was the exact same play

1237
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 5: as the Hunt touchdown that ended the first drive, the

1238
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 5: exact same play except on the first quarter he gave

1239
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 5: to Hunt and right there he kept the ball. But

1240
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 5: it was you know, the inverted wishbone, it was the

1241
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 5: pulling lineman. You know, they do a really good job

1242
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 5: with those kinds of things, and you know, that's the

1243
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 5: offense that they've kind of evolved into. I was, I

1244
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 5: was amazed as I was doing my research, you know,

1245
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 5: through the playoffs that during the regular season, Savior Ward

1246
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 5: they only had four receptions of twenty plus yards. I mean,

1247
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 5: if you had said that when they drafted him, you think, oh,

1248
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 5: that's nuts. The guys, you know, with Mahomes, he's going

1249
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 5: to have a ton of twenty plus yard you know receptions.

1250
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 5: He had four all season long. They were not a

1251
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 5: big play offense by any stretch of the imagination.

1252
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: So what are you about the Buffalo Bills? And they

1253
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: came out of the game and a couple of guys said,

1254
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, they were running some concepts that we hadn't seen.

1255
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: But you go back and maybe other teams had run

1256
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: them against Buffalo, and you know, like Baltimore maybe running

1257
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: a couple of read options that the Chiefs don't run

1258
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: very much because Mahomes is that's not his thing. Did

1259
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: you see too much of that skippies from the Chiefs

1260
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: doing stuff that other teams had done against the Bills

1261
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: in the run game.

1262
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 5: Well, you know, whenever I hear that, I always think

1263
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 5: that it's it's not stuff. They say it that way,

1264
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 5: but I think what it is is it's getting to

1265
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 5: a play from a different look. You know. That's what

1266
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 5: I always see it as. More than oh I've never

1267
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 5: seen that concept before in my life. You know, there's

1268
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 5: not a thousand concepts, but like that touchdown we just

1269
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 5: saw with Mahomes that I don't recall seeing that particular

1270
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 5: play run from that formation. You know, I've seen them

1271
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 5: run that formation throughout the season. They throughout the season

1272
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 5: they did have both Gray and Kelsey in the backfield

1273
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 5: because they played a lot of twelve personnel. So that's

1274
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 5: something that we have seen, but I have not seen

1275
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 5: that particular play myself. I can't remember every play they

1276
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 5: ran all year, of course, but I don't remember seeing

1277
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 5: that particular play from that formation. And in fact, you

1278
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 5: could see on that play that Milana, who's a very

1279
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 5: good player, obviously he saw the pulling guards and he

1280
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 5: got stuck inside and they didn't really even need to

1281
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 5: block them, so it ended up being two on two

1282
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 5: on the outside with Gray and Kelsey blocking because my

1283
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 5: guess is they thought that Mahomes would get up on

1284
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 5: the safety. Well it turned out because Molona got stuck

1285
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 5: inside that either Kelsey or Gray, I forget, was able

1286
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 5: to block the safety. So, you know, I think it's

1287
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 5: just doing things from formations that you don't see that

1288
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 5: specific play from that formation or from that look.

1289
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 2: Do you feel that you saw anything from the Bills

1290
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: that was different from anything they had run all season.

1291
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 2: The reason I asked that is you're in the playoffs,

1292
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: You're playing one of the best coaching staffs in football.

1293
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: Logic would say you have to have a few things

1294
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: in your bag that they have not seen to try

1295
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: to give your players an advantage. Did you witness any

1296
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: of that through the course of his lie?

1297
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 5: Well, I guess, Brownie, the way i'd answer that is this,

1298
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 5: I can't answer that, you know, in a definitive Oh yeah,

1299
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 5: I didn't see this. But one thing I would say,

1300
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 5: and I think they've you know, Joe Brady knows a

1301
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 5: hell of a lot more than I do, certainly about

1302
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 5: his team. But and I don't know if they if

1303
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 5: they felt this way because they you know, look, obviously,

1304
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 5: Josh was very risk averse this year, only six interceptions.

1305
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 5: The run game was pretty good throughout the season for

1306
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 5: the most part. You know, this is the way they played,

1307
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 5: and they still scored you know, thirty some on points

1308
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 5: a game or right in that range. But I always

1309
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 5: felt watching them every week, and you guys know I

1310
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 5: study them in detail, that they just need a little

1311
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 5: more of an intermediate to vertical pass game. And by vertical,

1312
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 5: I don't mean just dropping back and chucking at sixty

1313
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 5: yards you know, down the field. You know, more of

1314
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 5: those kinds of routes, those route concepts and combinations. I

1315
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 5: kind of felt, you know, particularly with a quarterback like Josh,

1316
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 5: and my guess is they made a conscious decision that hey,

1317
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 5: we're gonna play this particular way. But I think you

1318
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 5: need a little more in terms of attacking at the intermediate,

1319
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 5: intermediate slash vertical levels. And again that also gets down

1320
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 5: to their receivers. I mean, you know, the hope is

1321
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 5: Coleman develops in the offseason and comes back to be

1322
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 5: what they hope he can be. I think Shaki is

1323
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 5: a really nice player, but I think we know what

1324
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 5: he is. You know, He's not necessarily that guy. So

1325
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 5: I think they need more both conceptually and from their

1326
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 5: wide receiver position, ideally from guys that are there. Because

1327
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 5: they did draft Coleman with the first was the first

1328
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 5: pick in the second round, someone right around.

1329
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: There, right.

1330
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1331
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: It's interesting too because they were number two in the

1332
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: league in scoring in the regular season. I mean they were,

1333
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: I know they were weird to say that, but they

1334
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: were a factory. Yeah, and I think that's where you

1335
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: got to think, well, okay, but can they do And

1336
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: I think I don't get caught up too much in

1337
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: the fact that they lost this last game to the

1338
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: Chiefs and everything needs to be changed so that they

1339
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: can beat the Chiefs. We've already been down that road.

1340
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: You're trying to be thirty one other teams, not just

1341
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: one other team, right, and you got to get to

1342
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: the point where you have that swing. And I think

1343
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: really in the off season, the philosophy's got to be

1344
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: just like it's always been with Buffalo. You got to

1345
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: get the most best players you can and get the

1346
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: most out of them. I think Buffalo has done an

1347
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: outstanding job of doing that. And as frustrating as it

1348
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: sounds to come up short to the same team and

1349
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: the same in the same round of the playoffs with

1350
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, within one round of the playoffs, you know,

1351
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: it's frustrating to hear it, but that's basically they need

1352
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: to take incredible.

1353
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 5: In those games. And yeah, that's the thing, that's the killer.

1354
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 5: You know, it'd be we'd be having a much easier

1355
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 5: conversation if they lost the game thirty five to ten,

1356
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 5: it would be very just as disappointing. But then we

1357
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 5: could say, oh my god, they really need to do

1358
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 5: this or else. But I mean, when you lose these

1359
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 5: games like that, I mean, which goes back to the

1360
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 5: game they lost, you know, the thirteen second game, which

1361
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 5: I know probably still is a tough not to handle

1362
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 5: it in Buffalo. But I mean, it's not like they

1363
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 5: it's not like they're overmatched here, you know. So it's

1364
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 5: it's very hard for me anyway, because you know, I'm saying,

1365
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 5: you're watching tape and I don't come away from the

1366
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 5: game going, oh my god, this Chiefs team is just

1367
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 5: so much better than the Bills. I don't think anybody

1368
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 5: would say that.

1369
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, let's talk Super Bowl fifty nine a little

1370
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: bit here, and I don't have to tell you, but

1371
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles have the largest offensive line in football.

1372
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 2: They're just they might be the biggest roster in football.

1373
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: Pounds are their five starting hand they might be the

1374
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: biggest football team in history.

1375
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just big across the board.

1376
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 3: I know.

1377
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 2: Do you think that the Eagles level of talent and

1378
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 2: size can just allow them to bully the Chiefs up

1379
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 2: and down the field in Super Bowl fifty nine.

1380
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 5: Well, the way I'd answer that is this, I think

1381
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 5: the more important part of that question is can they

1382
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 5: prevent Barkley from getting explosive runs? Because it's not so

1383
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 5: much that that Barkley is going to grind out two, three, four,

1384
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 5: five yard Yes, he does that obviously against certain teams.

1385
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 5: But the Eagles are in many ways antithetical to the

1386
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 5: way people think about offense in this league, the idea

1387
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 5: that explosive plays come out of the pass game. The

1388
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 5: Eagles get explosive plays out of the run game. I mean, look, Brownie,

1389
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 5: think of it this way. You're the Commanders. You go

1390
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 5: eighteen plays. Now you want to score a touchdown, but

1391
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,839
Speaker 5: you got three points. You converted third downs to fourth downs.

1392
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 5: You're feeling like, hey, the pace and tempo of the

1393
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 5: game is working in our favor, and bam, the first

1394
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 5: play is a sixty five yard Barkley touchdown. You know,

1395
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 5: they get big plays in the run game. So to me,

1396
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 5: it's much more about stopping that. I mean, obviously you

1397
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 5: want to stop them on first and second down. I mean,

1398
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 5: I almost look at this as the Eagles will run

1399
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 5: the ball, and when you watch the Eagles, it almost

1400
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 5: feels inevitable that at some point Barkley's breaking one. So

1401
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 5: the question is can they prevent that? That, to me

1402
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 5: is the bigger question. Can they prevent Barkley from the

1403
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 5: two or three or depending on the game. This year,

1404
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 5: he's had many of those two or three four runs

1405
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 5: that are just backbreakers because you know, he goes forty fifty,

1406
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 5: sixty seventy yards and it's ridiculous. I mean, sometimes it

1407
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 5: seems like it's a high school team that they're playing against.

1408
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,759
Speaker 5: So that to me is the big is the big question?

1409
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that is, and I would agree with you.

1410
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the Philly running game against

1411
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: this the Chiefs front. I want to see what a

1412
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: flip around, flip it around the other way. We're about

1413
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: Kelse Mahomes and Xavier Worthy against the Eagles front because

1414
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: one football the Eagles front is massive as well.

1415
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's you know, there's some players on the

1416
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 5: Eagles front that are totally overlooked, like a Milton Williams

1417
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 5: is a terrific football player, you know. But but you know,

1418
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 5: the Eagles want to be in Nickel. I mean, they're

1419
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 5: you know, we used to talk about the Bills that way,

1420
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 5: they become more dime at times. But you know, but

1421
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 5: for years we used to talk about the Bills played

1422
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 5: nickel one hundred percent of their snaps. It seemed that's

1423
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 5: the way the Eagles want to play. But as you

1424
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 5: guys know, the Chiefs play a lot of snaps out

1425
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 5: of twelve personnel with two tight ends, and I think

1426
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 5: the Eagles will play nickel. So the question is will

1427
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 5: the Chiefs try to run the ball? I mean, last week, well,

1428
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 5: you know, the run game was a factor against the Bills.

1429
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 5: It's not like they ran for one hundred and eighty yards,

1430
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 5: but when you guys agree it was a factor in

1431
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 5: the game, I mean, you know, they ran the ball

1432
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 5: with some success. They didn't necessarily run it with a

1433
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 5: ton of volume and a ton of yardage. But I'm

1434
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 5: curious to see how the Chiefs then play because the

1435
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 5: Eagles are going to play nickel. They are not very

1436
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 5: few snaps do they play at a base personnel. So

1437
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 5: you know, to me, that's another element of this game.

1438
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 5: And I'm really curious about the left side of the

1439
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 5: O line for the Chiefs against this particular defense, because

1440
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 5: I think the Eagles might be able to exploit that.

1441
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 2: Greg, thanks as always for your help all season long,

1442
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 2: lending some insight and some ex'es and O's knowledge. We

1443
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 2: appreciate it, and we'll catch up with you at the

1444
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 2: NFL Combine.

1445
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. Hey, it's not that far off, Brownie, isn't that.

1446
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 5: We're only a couple of weeks.

1447
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 3: Way.

1448
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta breathe first here and then I'll talk.

1449
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 5: To do that. I'm grinding. I'm grinding already watching college guy.

1450
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know, we know how you operate.

1451
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 5: Somebody's got to do it. Somebody's got to do it.

1452
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 2: As we've said many times, you're a goner, Greg. But

1453
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: thank you.

1454
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 5: All right, guys, loved it, Thanks so much.

1455
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 2: That's great. Coach Sale joining us as he does every

1456
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 2: week during the football season. We'll take a little brief

1457
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 2: hiatus with Greg, but we'll have him on with us

1458
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: when we're out in Indy at the combine later next month.

1459
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 2: It's the last day of January today, it's not quite February,

1460
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: but we'll be there in three and a half weeks. Man,

1461
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,799
Speaker 2: It's crazy, absolutely nuts. Let's get back to the phones.

1462
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 2: On an obl Friday fan mail bag, I got some

1463
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 2: people waiting patiently there and we go to Mark and

1464
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 2: Jersey City next.

1465
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 14: What's up Mark, Good afternoon, gentlemen, thanks for taking my call.

1466
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 14: Wanted to ask you guys a question and then my

1467
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 14: own comments about it. The takeaways I got yesterday was

1468
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 14: they didn't use this phrasing, but Coleman hit the rookie

1469
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 14: wall hard after his injury and just couldn't rebound from it.

1470
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 14: And Kincaid's play strength, I think it was more he

1471
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 14: goes down too easily when he gets tackled, like he

1472
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 14: just kind of just falls forward. He doesn't really run

1473
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 14: through contact or stiff arm guys or anything like that.

1474
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 14: I think that was more their gripe with him a little,

1475
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 14: I don't say hypercritical, but they entered the same sentiment.

1476
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 14: And then on defense, McDermott was on Your Guy's station

1477
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 14: with the afternoon show and he used, you guys were

1478
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,799
Speaker 14: just talking about it with Greg about not seeing plays

1479
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 14: that they don't recognize, and McDermot said, if you see

1480
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 14: something like that, you have to blow bleep up, and

1481
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 14: they just don't have to blow bleep up personnel. I

1482
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 14: think they both said they want to upgrade the athleticism

1483
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 14: on that side of the bowl. So they can match

1484
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 14: up better in these games. And I just wanted to

1485
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 14: get what your guys take on the press conferences from yesterday.

1486
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 14: Thanks for taking my cloth down.

1487
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as far as Coleman's concern, I think

1488
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 2: they felt like Keon as a rookie who respects veteran

1489
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 2: players in the room after he came back from injury,

1490
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: was a little deferential to other guys on the roster,

1491
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: in the receiving corps and wasn't in the huddle going hey,

1492
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 2: I'm open, throw me the ball. Josh. I just don't

1493
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 2: feel like he felt that was his place. So if

1494
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 2: he's guilty of anything, it's being too respectful of the

1495
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 2: veterans on the roster. I hope that will change going

1496
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 2: forward because he is a dynamic athlete in much the

1497
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 2: way James Cook is in a different way because he

1498
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 2: doesn't have breakaway speed, but in terms of verticality, physical

1499
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: boxing out defenders, he can do all of that stuff

1500
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: and he's open even when he's not open. So I

1501
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 2: think that's what they were referencing there. As far as

1502
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball, Steve and I both

1503
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 2: said yesterday they have to get faster and more athletic

1504
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 2: on that side of the ball, so they can play

1505
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: whatever defensive call they want to. They shouldn't be trapped

1506
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: in cover three or zone defense because they don't have

1507
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 2: two outside corners who can play man.

1508
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, they need to get more athletic and faster in

1509
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: the back end and bigger and more dominant in the

1510
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: front of their defense. And for Keon, I think it's

1511
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 1: a legitimate question. I'll say this though. It would be

1512
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: my anticipation, my expectation that in the exit interviews they

1513
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: do with these guys, they had a lot of things

1514
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: to say to Keon, a lot of things to say

1515
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: to Keon, and a lot of questions they wanted Keon

1516
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: to have the answers to, or to ask him about

1517
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: and to get him to think about. Most notably, was

1518
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: you know what he thought about at last half of the

1519
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: season when he came back from injury also one of

1520
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: the things, and they'd ask him about what he needs

1521
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: to work on. One of the there's a couple of

1522
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: things I would work on if I was key On.

1523
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: It's there's two things. One is his releases from the

1524
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage when they got a guy on him,

1525
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: particularly in the red zone where it's where they seem

1526
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 1: to want to use him the most. I thought one

1527
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: of the plays that frustrated me the most when they

1528
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: tried that fade down in the red zone, which was

1529
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,560
Speaker 1: which was ill advised. But you know, they seem to

1530
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: want to use him down there because of his stature

1531
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: and because of his fifty to fifty ball. He's good

1532
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 1: at that, I mean, that's his things. He is what

1533
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: as advertised on those fifty to fifty high balls. But

1534
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 1: I think they want him to work on his releases

1535
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: to get more separation right out of the gate, and

1536
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 1: also work on his route running so at the top

1537
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: of the routes, Josh isn't having to decide whether it's

1538
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: worth it to throw it into the jungle over there.

1539
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: You know, they got hands and arms and everything, and

1540
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: when there's a guy hanging on you, it's hard for

1541
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: a quarterback to cut it loose in a particularly on

1542
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: a fourth down play in a playoff game where you've

1543
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: got to stay on the field. The last thing the

1544
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,480
Speaker 1: guy wants to do is throw it into a problem.

1545
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: So there's a lot that they're going to talk to

1546
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: Keon about and a lot to give him to work on.

1547
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,719
Speaker 1: His releases out of man coverage and also his route

1548
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: running or two of them, and the rookie wall. While

1549
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: it sounds, you know, it's a little bit of his

1550
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: thing where people just kind of throw it out there

1551
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: because it it's a thing. They get to the point

1552
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: where deep in the season, and particularly for a guy

1553
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: like Keon who was injured and it's been a herky jerky,

1554
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: the team's playing well and he's not sure of his

1555
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: role in it and he was out of it for

1556
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,759
Speaker 1: a while. Night comes back and they're they're scoring thirty

1557
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: points a game. Is there a place for me in this?

1558
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: You know, all the stuff you would ask yourself as

1559
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: a human being, and then just the tendency is to

1560
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: sit back and watch, you know, like, all right, go guy,

1561
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: you know you know what, tell me where I Just

1562
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: tell me where I fit in? Right, That's I think

1563
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that in this. Yeah, Keon probably

1564
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: had a very extensive and lengthy exit interview after his

1565
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: rookie season this year, and I would expect a lot

1566
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: of things talked about that none of us have even

1567
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: it has never occurred to any of us. So I

1568
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: think Mark Mark from Jersey City is a good call.

1569
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: I think you're right on Keon. There's a there's a

1570
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: they want to pour into him and get the most

1571
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: out of him, And I don't think they were really

1572
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: happy with how they handled their end of it on

1573
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: the Bills, But it was a tough spot. Yeah, you

1574
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: got nineteen thousand guys catching passes. Where does this guy

1575
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: fit in?

1576
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 2: And I think he struggled with where he did fit in.

1577
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 2: And that's part of what I was talking about in

1578
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: the huddle and being deferential to the veterans on the roster.

1579
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 2: And yes, Kinkai does go down too easy after initial contact,

1580
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 2: and I think that is what they were getting at

1581
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: in terms of getting bigger and stronger, so he's hopefully

1582
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 2: pulling through more of those tackles and getting more yards

1583
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: after the catch. You can bet the analytics on yak

1584
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: yards was probably pointed to in that argument. Got to

1585
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: take a break. More of your phone calls when we

1586
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 2: come back. We'll lead off with Nick and New York

1587
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 2: and Ryan and Toronto here in a minute on One

1588
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 2: Bill's Live on a Friday, Stay.

1589
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Speaker 15: With us.

1590
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 2: Right back to the phone lines. Here on a Friday

1591
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 2: edition of One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

1592
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: you and to Ryan in Toronto, what do you got

1593
01:17:59,240 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 2: for his Ryan?

1594
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 16: Hey, Christage, You guys know I love the show and

1595
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 16: had to find it. By the way, guys, but you

1596
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 16: know what I was listening in the morning show this

1597
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 16: morning with Germany and Job and they made they came

1598
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 16: up with a start from Tier done. I'm pretty sure

1599
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 16: you have no who that is. And what Jeremy said

1600
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,879
Speaker 16: Jemmy said is that on the last five elimination games,

1601
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 16: the Bills have played forty non meal down drives in

1602
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 16: the last five games against four of them more against

1603
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 16: my Homes, one of them more against Joe Broke. They

1604
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 16: gave up the defense, gave up two touchdowns, nine field goals,

1605
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 16: eight points and one missed field goal, and two turnovers.

1606
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 17: That's one hundred and sixty six points.

1607
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 16: In total forty drives. That's four point one five points

1608
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 16: per drive. The Bills are dead last in this category

1609
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 16: when it comes different in the last five playup games.

1610
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 16: And secondly, that's that's thirty one driving scoring drives out

1611
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 16: of forty in the last five playof elimination games.

1612
01:18:58,520 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 17: That is not a rest.

1613
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 16: People said said there's a major issue in defense and

1614
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 16: nobody's addressing it. I know, Steve, you said after the

1615
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 16: Detroit game, you're not waitable the defense. You know what,

1616
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 16: it doesn't matter about the playoffs. It doesn't matter what

1617
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 16: the REGULARSA You could win.

1618
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 17: Five ten straight AFC East titles.

1619
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 16: End of the day, you have to be you need

1620
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 16: to be able to win in the playoffs and defense

1621
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 16: has to do make the move and they it is

1622
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 16: not acceptably asked me.

1623
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 17: I was struck when I heard this stat and I

1624
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 17: just want to see what you gets me back, as.

1625
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: That's a good idea, and you're right, there's no question

1626
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: about it when in those elimination games, in the last

1627
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: five elimination games, the Bills have been eliminated. But don't

1628
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: forget Josh Allen has a five hundred record in the

1629
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: playoffs ors I mean seven and seven or something, isn't

1630
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: he What are their records in the games they win? Offensively,

1631
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: they crush it, and I mean that's that's their recipe.

1632
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. When when you got Josh

1633
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: at quarterback and he can do the stuff he does,

1634
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: they're just as good in the games they playoff games,

1635
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: and which by the way, they win one almost every year.

1636
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: They're the only team that's done it. Yeah, the losses

1637
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: all look strikingly similar, no question about it. But there's

1638
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: just as many wins, and every one of those wins

1639
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: comes against a really good football team too. Uh So

1640
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: you can, yes, in the losses, it's it's like this,

1641
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: it's like losing to the Chiefs every year. It's it's

1642
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: painful and frustrating, and in the losses, the losses all

1643
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: look similar. But you know there's they win too. I

1644
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: mean they win these games, they win these playoff games,

1645
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: and if you go back and look at only the

1646
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: games they lose, yeah, you're gonna get some skewed statistics.

1647
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: But they also won just as many elimination games as

1648
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: they've lost, So you know there's that You're right there.

1649
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 2: They only give up seventeen points in the Steelers last

1650
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 2: year in the wild card round, and they only gave

1651
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 2: up seven points to the Broncos in the wild card

1652
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 2: round this year, twenty five to the Baltimore Ravens, who

1653
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 2: were the number one red zone offense in football. I mean,

1654
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 2: look in the in the games in which they've been eliminated, Yes,

1655
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 2: they've given up a lot of points, and I agree

1656
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 2: it is a problem. The defense has to be better.

1657
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 2: And you didn't even have to give us all those

1658
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 2: statistics that you did. All you have to look is

1659
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: the final score. They're giving up twenty seven to thirty

1660
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 2: points a game, and you can't do that unless you're

1661
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 2: scoring forty. So it's got to be better.

1662
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: There's no debate about this year. They gave up thirty five,

1663
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: twenty three, and forty four points this year in the

1664
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: regular season, letting not excluding the Week eighteen games. So yeah,

1665
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: they give up a ton of points when they lose.

1666
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 1: That's because their offense is tough to keep up with.

1667
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I get don't get caught up if you're

1668
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna if you're only gonna take stats from games they lose,

1669
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: it's not gonna look good. I got this just in Yeah,

1670
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 1: and yes, the elimination games are frustrating. And they all

1671
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: look similar. That's the conversation we always have because not

1672
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 1: only do they look similar, they're to the exact same team.

1673
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 1: That's the frustrating part.

1674
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 2: But I would but I think we all agree that

1675
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 2: they need an influx of a lead talent on the

1676
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball if they're going to raise

1677
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 2: that part of their game to even on par with

1678
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,560
Speaker 2: where the offense is now, because the Bills are the

1679
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: second highest scoring team in football. And yes, the defense

1680
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 2: helped them in that regard by getting them thirty two takeaways,

1681
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: So that's thirty two extra possessions. They scored almost twenty

1682
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 2: five percent of their points this year off of turnovers,

1683
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 2: So the defense deserves some credit for making the offense

1684
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 2: look that good by giving them extra opportunities. At the

1685
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 2: same time, we said it earlier, steve middle of the

1686
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 2: pack to lower third in the league in just about

1687
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 2: every other category besides takeaways.

1688
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: I'll say this too, and I'll keep pounding this drum

1689
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 1: because it's it just keeps getting proving correct no matter

1690
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: who they have on this roster, Sean McDermott on both

1691
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 1: sides of the ball, seems to maximize it in one way,

1692
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 1: shape or form mostly And I mean they get the

1693
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,839
Speaker 1: most out of guys they've got just guys who everybody

1694
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: passed on, who are playing in not just a good level,

1695
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: high level. They are Sean McDermott has maximized the rosters

1696
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 1: of this team. And he can go back to the

1697
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: I'll do it again. I'll go back to twenty seventeen

1698
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 1: when they had a tank roster. Forget about a drought roster.

1699
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: They had a roster that everybody thought they were tanking with,

1700
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: and they got to the playoffs after five head coaches

1701
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 1: and seventeen years before them couldn't even get to the playoffs.

1702
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: This team did with a roster that was considered worse

1703
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: than any they had. He did it again in the

1704
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 1: next season when they got Josh as a rookie and

1705
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: struggled through his rookie season with a bad roster. And

1706
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: you can say what you want about not making to

1707
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: that thing. They were still winning some games. Then in

1708
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen they go to the playoffs and they have

1709
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: not missed the playoffs since. And that playoff, that elimination

1710
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: game in twenty nineteen was a lot like what they've

1711
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: gone through here in the later years. They had a

1712
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 1: sixteen point lead at halftime. Remember that. Nevertheless, this is

1713
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: a team no matter who they've got on, and he's

1714
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: going to be maximized by this coaching staff. Now, Brandon

1715
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: Bean has taken some heat because of you know, Ed

1716
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: Oliver's not a dominant player. Greg Russeau is not a

1717
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 1: dominant player. King Kaid ended the season injured and dropping

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01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 1: that last pass, and everybody thinks he's stumbling and not

1719
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 1: going to be the guy they thought he was. Cayer

1720
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: Elama obviously has struggled to even get on the field

1721
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: as a first round draft pick, and Brandon Bean's taken

1722
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: some slings and arrows because they're missing on first round

1723
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 1: draft picks. All except Ed Oliver were late first round

1724
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: draft picks, So you can say what you want about that,

1725
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: and Brandon Bean's taking some criticism for that of late

1726
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 1: because they're defensive talent. Those guys talking about most of

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01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: them were defensive talents. You know, they can't get on

1728
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: the field. They're not dominant. They're good, most of them

1729
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: are good. To get better, but they got to get better. Yeah,

1730
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 1: but this is a team that is that is hitting

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01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 1: on all cylinders, doing a lot of things really well.

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01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: And they're gonna sitting here. You know, they're gonna be

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01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: back again next year. I mean, they can't change that,

1734
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: even if they change as much as they did last year.

1735
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody thought they'd do anything this year, So

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01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: you got to think they're gonna keep on keeping on

1737
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: and get another shot at it in twelve months.

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01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 2: It's going to Nick in New York. Next, what's up Nick?

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01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, First and foremost to quick apology for the

1740
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 8: other day when it rambled on for a really long time.

1741
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 8: You put me on the radio about thirty seconds after

1742
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 8: an espresso. I couldn't stop my mouth from.

1743
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 2: But you got about a minute here, so let us

1744
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 2: know what you got on your mind.

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01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 8: I'll get right to it, you know. Marking jer and

1746
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 8: City mented on the key on throw to the end

1747
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 8: zone against McDuffie. If at the back shoulder throw, that's

1748
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 8: a touchdown. I did go back and watch the all

1749
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 8: twenty two.

1750
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 2: The ball wasn't great too.

1751
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, and McDuffie basically ran the route for him, which

1752
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 8: is the perfect time for a back shoulder throw to

1753
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 8: a bigger wide receiver. But that speaks to how new

1754
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 8: this team was. I mean, we had only Shakir being

1755
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 8: the wide receiver to them. Josh had thrown a ball

1756
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 8: in the previous season. Tough to create that sort of

1757
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 8: chemistry really really quickly, and I think it speaks to

1758
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 8: how exceptional we were. Look, we beat the Ravens and

1759
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 8: they went to the AFC title game the year prior

1760
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,600
Speaker 8: and added Derrick Henry and we beat them. It was

1761
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 8: a great, great year, and I'll tell you to feel

1762
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 8: good about things, Steve. I know you've been really in

1763
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 8: the dumbs about it. I know all the Bill's mafia's

1764
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 8: in the dumps about Sunday. I've dived in real hard

1765
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 8: to draft simulators looking ahead to April. There are some

1766
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 8: edge rushers towards the top of the defensive tackles on

1767
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 8: Day two and Day three, and some really really talented

1768
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 8: secondary players who are going to get Bill Mafia really

1769
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 8: really excited for next year's super Bowl window. Unless remind

1770
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 8: ourselves really quickly, our super Bowl window is open as

1771
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 8: long as we have JA seventeen under center.

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01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 2: Go Bill, Thanks Nick, appreciate it. Yeah, it's a good

1773
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: draft for defensive tackles. I think the Bills come out

1774
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 2: with two. They can find an edge rusher and a

1775
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,560
Speaker 2: corner on top of it. Even better, it's going to

1776
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 2: be a heavy defensive draft I think for the Bills

1777
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 2: this year for sure, and maybe even in free agency too.

1778
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 2: We're up against the clock here, so we'll step aside

1779
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 2: here and close it up next on One Bill's Live.

1780
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bill's Live. This question

1781
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 2: on the tweets sheet, it's more of a statement really

1782
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 2: kind of sums it up for a lot of Bills

1783
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 2: fans this week in the wake of the loss to

1784
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 2: the Chiefs in the AFC Title game. Tweet sheet brought

1785
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 2: to you by Corgan Moving System official equipment moving company

1786
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 2: to the Buffalo Bills, where Andrew says, I'm so sick

1787
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 2: and tired of referees missing calls and we're always getting

1788
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 2: the short end of the stick. Do you think in

1789
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 2: the future we're gonna have robots calling these games? I mean,

1790
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 2: they already got cars that are driving themselves. Maybe a

1791
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 2: robot can tell what a first down is, Amen, Andrew

1792
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 2: in summing up in about forty words, what every Bills

1793
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 2: fan was feeling this week.

1794
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: Brava, they changed the overtime rules because the Bills got

1795
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:39,560
Speaker 1: the short end of it.

1796
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 2: So here come the robots.

1797
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: They're gonna chip in the They're gonna put the chip

1798
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: in the ball.

1799
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 2: Digital mapping of the field.

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01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 17: Whatever.

1801
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm telling you, that's why I wanted my my

1802
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 2: thing that rides up and down the sidelines with an

1803
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 2: electronic eye.

1804
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the problem is you can't see Like everybody goes, well, yeah,

1805
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: what they do it in tennis. They got but you

1806
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: can see the ball in tennis abstruction three hundred pound

1807
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: guys wearing helmet that is between you and the camera.

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01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 5: You dopes.

1809
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 2: That is the reason it does.

1810
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 1: Can't do it?

1811
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, have it.

1812
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 1: You can have an official in the line and he

1813
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: couldn't you know, they couldn't get close. You can't get

1814
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: close enough to see it. And if you did, you

1815
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: can't see the angle.

1816
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 2: Just yeah, I just camera in the ball next.

1817
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 1: That won't help.

1818
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 2: But you do realize how archaic it sounds when somebody

1819
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 2: says we still use two sticks in a chain to

1820
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 2: measure a first down, right you that does please tell

1821
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 2: me that sounds archaic and obsolete to you.

1822
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 1: Yes, it sounds a little horse and buggy.

1823
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. On that note, we're gonna end this week's set

1824
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Speaker 2: of shows. We'll see you back on Monday. Remember we're

1825
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 2: down to two hour shows on Monday with the season over,

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Speaker 2: So we'll see on Monday at one