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Speaker 1: For John Annick and Kenny Florian podcast. John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 3: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 4: Let's hear that both the next job in brank Fiers.

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Speaker 5: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved

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Speaker 5: bullshit artists.

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: Nothing to talk about, right, absolutely nothing to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Will try to bring you a show anyway. Great to

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Speaker 3: have you with us in video or audio form. It

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Speaker 3: is episode three nineteen of the Anak and Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's podcast Monday, October fourth, twenty twenty one. Kenville looks

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Speaker 3: like he is home in Charlotte, North Carolina. Is that

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Speaker 3: where you're doing all this jiu jitsu training with these

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Speaker 3: elite guys getting ready for the NOGI Worlds. I mean

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Speaker 3: it's like, Cody, we got to get our Kenny Florrie

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Speaker 3: breaking news on on Instagram. This guy's training for the

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Speaker 3: fucking no Gi Worlds. But now I'm glad we I'm

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Speaker 3: glad we know that now.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I have been training and uh getting ready for that,

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Speaker 6: and the training has been awesome. Been training with Lucas

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Speaker 6: Leprie on one of the Yes uh, one of the

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Speaker 6: greatest jiu jitsu competitors to ever do it. So that's

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Speaker 6: been a lot of fun and training with him and

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Speaker 6: and all of his students and and getting ready and

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Speaker 6: I take off to Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Uh, let's see Thursday, and then I'll be competing Friday.

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Speaker 3: What is all right, nog World Championships are this Friday?

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Speaker 6: You're telling me, I gotta be Friday and Saturday. Friday,

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Speaker 6: Saturday and Sunday. I think the old guys. I'm competing

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Speaker 6: with the old guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what is the what is the bracket here?

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Speaker 3: What bracket? I mean obviously black belt bracket. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: I gotta it's called what masters three or whatever. So

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Speaker 3: I'll be the oldest of that age group.

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Speaker 6: And uh, let's see, I think we were gonna go

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Speaker 6: at it on on Friday. So I get the brackets

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Speaker 6: released on the sixth. That's that Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: That is Wednesday.

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Speaker 6: You'll find out what the heck I need to do

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Speaker 6: to get through and and win this thing.

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Speaker 3: Outstanding, This is great. You know, nobody loves when Ken

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Speaker 3: Flow's competing more than me. So yeah, so you don't

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Speaker 3: have to bring a gee, which is nice. You can

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Speaker 3: leave y is this at one hundred and eighty five

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Speaker 3: pounds or what are we doing here? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Exactly, So I'm right now, I'm one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 6: five pounds. I typically compete at middleweight, right, Yeah, middleweight,

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Speaker 6: which is up to one hundred and seventy five pounds. Right,

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Speaker 6: this is called middle heavy, which goes up to one

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Speaker 6: hundred and eighty eight pounds. Okay, I don't have to

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Speaker 6: cut weight or anything like that. So I was gonna

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Speaker 6: go down. I just got a little you know, I

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Speaker 6: on top of it with losing weight. I'm coming, dude,

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Speaker 6: for this whole pandemic at my heaviest and this is

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Speaker 6: breaking to talk about breaking news.

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Speaker 3: This is breaking news. I was two hundred and seven pounds.

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Speaker 3: How about that? I was gonna get two hundred and

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Speaker 3: seven pounds.

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Speaker 6: You could probably see it on the podcast with my

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Speaker 3: I did not intend to lead the show this way,

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Speaker 3: So like, is it just the jiu jitsu training or

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Speaker 6: And that's that's what happened. I did nothing. I wasn't

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Speaker 3: So can I ask you how your son's doing?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you obviously got a baby doing all of this. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: For me, it was just I don't know a lot

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Speaker 3: So what's going on here? Okay, respectfully, right, I'm a fan, right, right,

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Speaker 6: It's just I don't know it was. It was a

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Speaker 3: At the moment, right, But I'm not sure Dan saw

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Speaker 3: So for Kyle Dacas on a Monday, you know, it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's like Doccas, Man, I feel for you, Bro, I

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Speaker 3: He keeps it as real as you know, as real

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Speaker 6: You know, he was talking about the fact, He's like, hey, man,

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Speaker 6: You know, I got knocked out, and I got choked out,

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Speaker 3: was effectively persuaded by by Herb Dean, you know. I mean,

432
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Speaker 3: I don't fucking know. And again it's like I don't

433
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 3: need my take to be the most popular one either,

434
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,479
Speaker 3: Like I really don't you know what I mean. Like

435
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,719
Speaker 3: my babysitter just canceled. I got to go pick up

436
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 3: three kids. Like that's my reality. If you don't agree

437
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,640
Speaker 3: with my opinion, like I apologize, Like I still got

438
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 3: I'm driving a minivan, you know, my kid fucking carved

439
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Speaker 3: her name on the side of it. And I got

440
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Speaker 3: to go pick up three kids today.

441
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Speaker 4: Okay, I got to come in on him complaining about

442
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 4: picking up the kids. Come on, oh look, well we

443
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 4: all got our shirts on.

444
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 3: Look at that. That's beautiful the John Anick shirt that

445
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 3: you're wearing. And Ray, oh yeah, must be laundry day.

446
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 3: I mean, gosh, you know, but yeah, I got the

447
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 3: Ray Longo minute loud and proud, you know, just in

448
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 3: case I run into kabib Ramago metof today. I want

449
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 3: to make sure where this is.

450
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 6: This is Ray Longo what he gets up in the morning.

451
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 6: This is the shirt that just came out.

452
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Speaker 4: That would be that would be a compliment.

453
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Speaker 3: So Teams Sarah Longo, Going Belt Chasing, c FFC fly

454
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Speaker 3: Way Champion, Turbo Typhoon, Pumi Nakuda. Congratulations, Ray, cheers.

455
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Speaker 4: Oh thank you very much. What a great weekend, man,

456
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 4: what a great week all in the week Morob. You know,

457
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Speaker 4: I really believe like with all of this stuff, John,

458
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 4: Like you know, when you get a performance like Morob had,

459
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 4: it just inspires the ship out of everybody, you know

460
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 4: what I mean. Like it's sometimes like even after Rowse

461
00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 4: fight with Kevin Kevin Lee, you know, Alja fort Muno's

462
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 4: I just think, you know, you saw that just all

463
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 4: that drama and you know shit, you know, like that

464
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 4: hooks that al had like it was crazy, and I

465
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 4: think it just bit transferred over to al Joe. He

466
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 4: just like I want to do that, you know what

467
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 4: I mean. I thought he had a great fight with

468
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 4: Pedro Muno's but I think it was the same thing

469
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 4: with this. But Rob's performance was you know, so inspiring

470
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 4: that don't don't fucking lose after that, man, you know,

471
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 4: go out and do it. Yeah. Right, So even Pompos

472
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 4: had a great knockout. Pumi look phenomenal. It was just

473
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 4: everything was perfect.

474
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: And I do want to say because I think this

475
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Speaker 3: audience will appreciate it, having gone back and watching the

476
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Speaker 3: first round between Morob and Marlon. But Ice, I want

477
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Speaker 3: to say two things. First of all, you know I

478
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Speaker 3: love you. I mean, it's still ten nine, but Ice

479
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: for me, right, Hey, no, no, let me just say though,

480
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: you're right, Okay, I'm here to sort of I don't

481
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 3: know if I'm eating crow, but Morob's recoverability is the

482
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Speaker 3: stuff of legends. Like you're right, Like he actually wasn't

483
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 3: really even fucking hurt. Okay, so you're right, Like I

484
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: come here as a humble man. I'm just saying he

485
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: got knocked out three and a half times and in

486
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Speaker 3: my opinion what Kemphal said last week at ten eight

487
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 3: at that point, he didn't do enough to swing it

488
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Speaker 3: back to ten nine in his favor. But dude, Morob's

489
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: recoverability and any other you know, he's incredible. He's incredible.

490
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, look, you know, you know it's funny. I

491
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 4: saw Keith Peterson at the in Pennsylvania and I said,

492
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 4: just great job on that. He goes, Look, that guy

493
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 4: did everything I told him to do, and he's the

494
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 4: guy in there. He's the only guy in there that's

495
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 4: seeing what's going.

496
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Speaker 3: On, right right.

497
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 4: He actually told me scored that at ten to seven

498
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Speaker 4: for Morob.

499
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 3: Hot right right, right right now.

500
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Speaker 4: The point my point was just I thought it was

501
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: a great round to use as an instructional round for judges,

502
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 4: like what do you do? It's it's kind of trick

503
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 4: out because at one point you see Malin's arm go limp.

504
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 4: He might have been out worse than Morob was ever out.

505
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 4: At the end of that round you saw is right

506
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 4: on it just goes limping and he gets punched back

507
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 4: into conscious. Yeah. So I just thought, look, I thought,

508
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 4: and around, give him give him an even round because

509
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 4: he came back and I don't know. I don't think

510
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 4: that's out of the question.

511
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Speaker 3: I think, uh, ten nine on either side is fair.

512
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 3: Ten ten. If judges weren't so discouraged from throwing those there,

513
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 3: I think ten ten would work. Hey, so it's fight

514
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: week for Kemflow. This dude's competing at the fucking Brazilian

515
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: Jiu Jitsu NOGI World Championships on Friday in Dallas. I

516
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: think he'd let us know. I mean, it's just grap

517
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 3: It's just it's not wrapping.

518
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 4: That should be great, though. Yeah, you know who's you

519
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 4: know who's signed up already? Do you get him?

520
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: Mold? I do.

521
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 6: I saw there's actually one former UFC fighter uh in there.

522
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 6: I believe Kyle Watson. I believe he was in the

523
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Speaker 6: UFC for a quick second.

524
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Speaker 3: Uh.

525
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Speaker 6: But you know some other jiu jitsu guys. It's old guys, right,

526
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 6: it's I'm the oldest of the bunch of this.

527
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Speaker 4: And any of Sarah's guys are there or I don't.

528
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: No, I didn't see any of those guys.

529
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 6: There's a Heads of Gracie guy out of Houston, I

530
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 6: think in in my division.

531
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Speaker 3: But yeah, we'll see what happens. So it should be fun.

532
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 4: We'll be pulling for you, buddy.

533
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. He doesn't like when I put all the pressure on.

534
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 3: He can be as high as one hundred and eighty

535
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: eight pounds. Are you repping your your your your own

536
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: school that is? Yeah, I'll be I'll be repping floor

537
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: in Martial Arts Center. Let's go yeah, yeah yeah.

538
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 4: Man.

539
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 3: Found I don't know, probably ten years ago. When did

540
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: you When did you and Keith open the original school

541
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 3: there in two thousand either?

542
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Speaker 6: I think two thousand and six, wow, yeah, before then

543
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Speaker 6: Stephen later show business.

544
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Speaker 3: This kid, I'm just kidd just having fun on a Monday, right, Raymond?

545
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 4: If they keeps on giving man all right?

546
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: So Kenny and I shared our thoughts on this whole

547
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 3: Kevin holland Kyle Dawcas controversy. Uh you know, I I

548
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 3: think in the simplest terms for me, you know, it's

549
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: referee error and a lot of vagaries when it comes

550
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: to replay at what was a lot of vagaries when

551
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 3: it comes to replay, you know, Dan Forergliata at one

552
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: point can be seen walking back up the stairs saying wait,

553
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 3: saying just leave it the way it is. I think

554
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: Herb Dean wielded enough power to. I mean, I don't know.

555
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 3: I'll get more answers Friday, but right now I'm still confused.

556
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 4: As you're gonna get no answers. You know what the

557
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 4: answer is. Let me tell you what the answer is

558
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 4: because I watched it happen. Dan had no idea what

559
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 4: he was doing. He made the call, and then he

560
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 4: want to say, the ref is the last guy. He's

561
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 4: going to make the call. Oh yeah, he makes the

562
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 4: call until Shawn Shelby tells him it's the ruin call.

563
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 4: You see Shelby in the mix. Suan's even in the mix.

564
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 4: Herb has to whisper in his ear. He can't even

565
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 4: talk to him. He's got to try to whisper this

566
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 4: is what I would though, And then he changes it.

567
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 4: So he made the call, and then five other people

568
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 4: told him it was the room cool. So then he

569
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 4: goes and makes the right call or it makes a call,

570
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: and everybody goes, yeah, he's got the power that he

571
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 4: had nothing. He said it. He said, look, I saw

572
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 4: a guy fighting back, so I let it go. He

573
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 4: saw the whole thing. He just didn't know. Look, I don't,

574
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't know what the rules are, but

575
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 4: I would have stopped it right at the head butt.

576
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 4: That's the first thing. That was a vicious Headbut I don't.

577
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: Think he saw it.

578
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 6: Clearly or go ahead, So let's let's say he didn't

579
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 6: see it right, and I believe that that that I

580
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 6: think that's accurate.

581
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 3: He heard DC say it on the mic or whatever.

582
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 6: Why would you if you know it happens right, let's

583
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 6: stop at that point. Wait, look, let it play out

584
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 6: two three, you know, grappling exchanges, and then finally the

585
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 6: kid gets a submission, and then we're gonna we're gonna

586
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Speaker 6: call it a submission and then rewind, go back time.

587
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense.

588
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: Now the fight should have been stopped at the Headbut

589
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: you go to the instant replay or do whatever you

590
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 4: want to see what the damage is. The guy was

591
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: clearly out. He listen, it was so bid. He didn't

592
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: have time to like step back and go shit, I

593
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 4: just got head budded and tell the ref he was out.

594
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: And then he waked up and he's in the fight

595
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: of he's fighting for his life, right, you know what

596
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 4: I mean? Like he could have saved that kid a

597
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: lot of unnecessary damage too, you know what I mean?

598
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 4: So the fight should have been stopped at the headbut

599
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: which he he admits he clearly saw, but then he

600
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: decided to let it go on because he basically said

601
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 4: he saw everything that he saw the headbut but then

602
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 4: Holland started fighting back, so he let it go on.

603
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 4: And I think that's where the problem is. But dude,

604
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: this is a microcosmo. I think what we're dealing with today.

605
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 4: It's like follow the science until you don't agree with it,

606
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: then you just do whatever the fuck you wanted. Oh yeah,

607
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's like, yeah, the ref

608
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: has the final say until everybody tells him he's wrong.

609
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 4: Nobody's addressing like this is why I get pissed off though.

610
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 4: It's just it's gonna go like they didn't know what

611
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 4: the Somebody didn't know what they were doing. I don't

612
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 4: know who it was, but somebody didn't know what they

613
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: were doing. When when When I was involved with that

614
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: thing with Musasi and Widman, it's just frustrating. It's simple,

615
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 4: was his foot just look at it? Yes? No? Stop?

616
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: Oh it's back and forth and who do I do?

617
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: It horrendous and now we see it not not to

618
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: the same point, but I do think you know it's

619
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: I don't know.

620
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: Man, just I just think it's the imustrating roller coaster

621
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: for Domnius, right, And.

622
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: When I actually saw Sean Shelby's the matchmaker. No, of

623
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 4: course he's not part of the commission.

624
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: Well, of course, of course, I mean.

625
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 4: In the third row and say hey, guys, stop the fighting.

626
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, this is it's. Thank God for

627
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: her Dean. That's all I can say for that. I

628
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 4: think he tried to why, he tried to beat the

629
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 4: voice of reason. And if Dan didn't say what he said,

630
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: it might have looked a little better. But the fact

631
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: that Dan was ready to make the call, that he's

632
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: letting it stand, and that he saw everything, I think

633
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 4: it makes it worse. Because Herb had to tell him,

634
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: Herban probably five other guys that tell him you're wrong

635
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: and this is the way we're doing it. I had

636
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 4: nothing to do with Dan. That decision had nothing to

637
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: do with Dan. He said, I'm gonna let it go on.

638
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: I'm letting the things stand.

639
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kenny, Like, when did the referee relinquish power at

640
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: all of this? Right?

641
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: Listen, John, When when Morob got choked out by Simone

642
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: or the ref stopped to fight. The fight was over.

643
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: And then God who's not even in the octagon said no,

644
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: he was out, and he changes the decision. The reff

645
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 4: had nothing to do with that. The ref made the

646
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 4: right call. The bell rang, the fight was over, and

647
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: that is it. He didn't call the guy out. You

648
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: go to the school of cards. Now somebody else has

649
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 4: to jump in from the fifth road. They know that

650
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: Morob was out, you know what I mean?

651
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: See, there are ramifications for everybody involved, you know, and

652
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: that includes you know this my play commentator who's calling

653
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: fights this weekend? And I need some sort of clarity, right,

654
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: So is this going to be sort of a a

655
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: a group of people who get to as a collective

656
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: make a decision, you know?

657
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: I think there should be an instant replayed crew. They

658
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: look at that and that's it.

659
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: Does everybody get a vote? I mean what like vote

660
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: would have been to leave it as it? Admission win

661
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: for Doccus.

662
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 4: So then why wasn't that's your question? Why?

663
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: And I'm sure girlfriend wants to know too, right was working?

664
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 4: Because whys why wasn't Dan's decision upheld?

665
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: Well? Can I ask something Fellas and.

666
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: The ref as the last right? What the fuck you doing?

667
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 4: He had nothing. They told him what to do.

668
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: So the rules say the following act and the sopranos.

669
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 4: Right, he thinks he's the borce of the family. Everybody's

670
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: laughing at him. This guy thinks he's making the call.

671
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 5: Everybody's going theol Christopher, you don't know what you're talking about.

672
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 5: The following acts constitute fouls in a contest or exhibition

673
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 5: of mixed martial arts and may result in penalties at

674
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 5: the discretion of the referee if committed. What is your

675
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 5: interpretation of that?

676
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: Well, wasn't it wasn't a foul.

677
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 6: It was an accidental it was it deemed a foul, right,

678
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 6: it was.

679
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 5: Well, so it's just the first like the first. The

680
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 5: Unified Rules of Mars Arts from the UFC website. In Rules,

681
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 5: the first sentence says, the following acts constitute fouls in

682
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 5: a contest or exhibition of mixed martial arts and may

683
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 5: result in penalties at the discretion of the referee if committed.

684
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 5: The next thing as butting with the head. So what

685
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 5: I'm asking is yes, yes, yes, yes.

686
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: The question is who is it?

687
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 5: Who is Well, my question is who is the discretion

688
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 5: on is it singularly on Dan Mary Otter or is

689
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 5: it on the ruling body. That's what It has nothing

690
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 5: to do with the follow of the accidental right, Well,

691
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 5: we're trying to get clarity on and Cody is aligned

692
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 5: with me.

693
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: Is you know, shouldn't the power still resigne?

694
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 4: Right?

695
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: You have the benefit of replay and and the advice

696
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 3: of those octagon side who are commissioners or referees or

697
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: officials on that evening. But yeah, this was just messy

698
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: all around, you know. So, uh, anybody have anything else

699
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: on that before we move on Raymond.

700
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 4: You're not getting any answers. That's number one, because we

701
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: saw it happen and it was this, how come why

702
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: why do we even ask themference? Is? If we witnessed all.

703
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that on Friday morning at nine a m.

704
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: Pacific can flow. I am going to be sitting there

705
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: with my friend Jeff who is the chief Commissioner, and

706
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 3: Bob Bennett probably won't be there because it's you fight night,

707
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: But I mean I'm going to probe, not journalistically per se,

708
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: but it's like I need to know by Saturday night

709
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: we all yeah, we all yeah, think that there I'm

710
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: going to get there, they're going to be vague with me,

711
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: that's what you mean.

712
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 4: Seeah My. My theory though, is that Sean Shelby jumped

713
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 4: in there. He said, listen, that's a no contest because

714
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: then he could save on the wind bow.

715
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: The tur team was persuaded by that.

716
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: Oh I think he saves on the wind bows. He's like, Dana,

717
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 4: I just saved us fifty grand with that.

718
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know.

719
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta listen, John. At the end of

720
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 4: the day, you have to laugh at it because you

721
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 4: can't fight it. That's for damn.

722
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: And again, Kevin Holland handled things gracefully, but yeah, yeah,

723
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: you have to laugh at it. Right Kyle Dawcas is

724
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: not laughing on Augus.

725
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 4: You do have to love Kevin Holland a little bit, man.

726
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 4: I tell you it's he's crazy, but it's a it's

727
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 4: a sincerity. He's sincere and it's nuttiness. Man. I you know, look,

728
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: I love I rooted for Dorcas and his brother because

729
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: you know, the rest coast guys and seen him fight

730
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 4: on the local shows, and they're great. Man. They're knocking

731
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 4: the cover off the ball right now. Kevin Holland man,

732
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 4: I think he won me over it. He's nuts, man,

733
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 4: He's crazy, like he could he could ship talk without

734
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 4: doing too much of it, you know that where it's entertaining.

735
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 4: He's just I just hope it doesn't interfere with his growth,

736
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: you know, as a fighter. But we'll see what happens.

737
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be around for a long time.

738
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 4: And you're right, he handed he handled that whole thing.

739
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the wait you probably should ken, did did

740
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: you watch this main event? Thiago Santos and Johnny Walker?

741
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: I know your Boston College Eagles were playing Clemson, so

742
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 3: I know you were a little bit in multitask mode.

743
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: But what do you think of the main event? Forty

744
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: eight forty seven times three for Thiago Santos? Uh. I

745
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: don't know if there's a ton to unpack, except that,

746
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: you know, Johnny Walker didn't seem too upset when the

747
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: judges scorecards were rendered. I thought he could have done

748
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: a little bit more. I thought Santo's won. You got

749
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: anything for us on what was sort of a ho

750
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: hum main event? Yeah, I think ho hum main event

751
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: is a good way to explain it.

752
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 6: I think that Johnny Walker had promised that he was

753
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 6: going to go out there and he was going to

754
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 6: eat his opponent, and he was going to be violent

755
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 6: and he wanted to kill him and all that stuff,

756
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 6: and that just never played out. He was in a

757
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 6: great spot to really take advantage of this main event.

758
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: He didn't.

759
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 6: There was a whole lot of nothing, you know, a

760
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 6: lot of feints, a lot of movement, but no commitment.

761
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 6: He didn't. He he didn't know how to create offense

762
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 6: for himself. And clearly both these guys extremely powerful, both

763
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 6: knockout artists, right, so they were respecting each other's power.

764
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 6: But at the same time, it was just not a

765
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 6: good fight. Both guys really very timid as far as

766
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 6: they not knowing how to create that offense, how to

767
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 6: get the other one to commit, and we didn't have

768
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 6: a great fight because of it. I thought they got

769
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 6: it right. I thought Santos was actually out there when

770
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 6: he was throwing, he was trying to hurt Johnny Walker.

771
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 6: He was actually trying to you know, land his shots

772
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 6: on the target, whereas Johnny Walker was throwing a whole

773
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 6: lot of stuff from the outside that to me looked

774
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 6: like it was never gonna land.

775
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

776
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 6: Still a developing fighter, but that was not the way

777
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 6: to go out there and execute in the main events.

778
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I almost fell asleep probably four times. Right, No, no,

779
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: it was well I just got back from Pennsylvania. I'm

780
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: not even joking.

781
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: It was fight no I thought, Okay, I didn't know

782
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: if it was because he had extra rounds after the

783
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: fights or something. Well, that's why I had to stay up.

784
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 4: What a great program.

785
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: But STA Pennsylvania your cornering fighters, right, Yeah.

786
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: So we got but those fights started at one thirty,

787
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 4: so we were able to get back by seven. So

788
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 4: that maan, it was looking it was, I was, but

789
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 4: that that just was it was really There's Kenny mentioned

790
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 4: something that he's the he's a developing fighter. I'm a

791
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 4: little weirded out by how his corner thought he was

792
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: winning that fight because I think I absolutely did nothing.

793
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 4: And I mean, John Can is a good guy. I

794
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 4: don't know, you know, it's almost like some guys I

795
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: work with like that. I'm like, I don't want to

796
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 4: change too much because I'm going to ruin the essence

797
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 4: of who they are. And even though Johnny walk is

798
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 4: paid for it, he's still a mad hatter. You gotta

799
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 4: let him loose, you know what I mean, Like, especially

800
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 4: in that fifth round, you know what he look. I

801
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: think Keavna did a good job at least controlling his emotions,

802
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 4: maybe because he definitely was. He wasn't jumping around for sure,

803
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 4: so that was different. But I think at the fifth riend,

804
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: you got to go listen, I need that old guy.

805
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: You need a knockout in spectacular fashion. Take a shot.

806
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 4: Get even if you get knocked out, take a shot.

807
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 4: This is the time you got to do it.

808
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 6: So, I mean, I don't think any of those rounds

809
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 6: were definitive rounds for Johnny Walker, you know what I mean?

810
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: But they were all close.

811
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 6: How could you definitively say that your fighter is winning

812
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 6: at that stage.

813
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I was confused by that

814
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 3: as well.

815
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 4: I thought it was totally impossible. I was like, why

816
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 4: this guy is There's no way, I mean, and then

817
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 4: I was like, they can't possibly give this guy to

818
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 4: fight on that, you know, And then I think they

819
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 4: So they got that right. Santo's definitely won that fight.

820
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 4: Not the most exciting fight, like we said, but you know,

821
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 4: maybe with Kevin Ough two is that it's gonna take

822
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 4: two or three fights to get this guy on track,

823
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 4: because I know, look, as a coach, a guy comes

824
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 4: to me and they're like, oh, I'd love to see

825
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 4: I see what Longo is going to do with him.

826
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 4: But guys, there's six weeks. Yeah, and what do you

827
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 4: think I'm gonna do with him? It doesn't work like that.

828
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: I need a year, you know what I mean. So

829
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 4: I think at the end of the day, we might

830
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: look back on this and go, look, Kevin, I had

831
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 4: a plan. I don't like, you know, the fact that

832
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: he thought he was winning, but he's should have just

833
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 4: taken that as a work in progress and said, you know,

834
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: we'll keep building because the guy's got the frame, you

835
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 4: know what I mean. He's you should be able to

836
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: do a lot with that guy. And you know he

837
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: could do some wacky shit. So he's bullsy. You know

838
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 4: he will go for it. So if you could tame

839
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 4: them a little bit, you know, and then get some

840
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: of that craziness back in there, controlled craziness, I think

841
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 4: you got yourself as a good guy. So I think

842
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 4: we'll look back and say, maybe, you know, if he sticks,

843
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: if he stays the course with John, I think they

844
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 4: will try to do something with him. You know what

845
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 4: I mean. So, but that by one hundred percent he lost.

846
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 4: I'm saying I don't even want to say it was

847
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 4: close only because he didn't do anything. There was nothing happening.

848
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 4: And at least Iago when he threw, he threw with intent.

849
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: You know, he wanted to do damage. But you know,

850
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 4: it takes two guys to dance, you know, And one

851
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 4: guy looked like he was when he tried his offense

852
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 4: he was going to win. One guy looked like he

853
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: was trying not to lose. It's that old saying.

854
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: You know, all right, well before we let you go,

855
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: if you don't like commercial airliners to Abu Dhabi, then

856
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: I guess there's some silver lining. But Aljamin Sterling obviously

857
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: is not competing yet sixty seven and any athlete ken

858
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: Flow and Ray who has had this neck procedure. Actually

859
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: Evan Smith is the one whom I spoke with most recently. Uh,

860
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: you're not coming back anytime soon. There are setbacks, and

861
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 3: I'm not at all surprised that al Jamne was not

862
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: medically clear. They're going to go forward with an interim

863
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: title fight Pyodrian and Corey Sanhagan and presumably, uh, you

864
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: guys will will fight the winner to unify the belts.

865
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 4: Bill. Look, Aljo is a wacky dude, man, you know

866
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 4: I love him. He's fucking whacked out of his mind. Yeah,

867
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 4: but I will.

868
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: Say it's just I think I found out before you did, right.

869
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: John one hundred percent before me, Like even Wideman calls me,

870
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, the guy's fighting. I was just with him,

871
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 4: what are you talking about? But with all of this

872
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 4: being said, I one hundred told him, do not fight,

873
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 4: You're not ready your ms and whatever's happen. Dude, you're

874
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 4: not fighting like that that was be said. But I

875
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 4: did work out when I'm at the PI, and uh,

876
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: the guy's was just struggling. I'm like, Alre, it doesn't

877
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: even make any sense. And look, to Aljo's credit, he

878
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 4: never told me he wanted to fight and not told,

879
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: but he was always talking about December. He wants more

880
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 4: time to better, and I think, you know, you know,

881
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 4: the matchmakers want what they want and they put the

882
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: pressure on. And I guess you know he agreed because

883
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: his manager said something maybe I don't even know if

884
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: it's true, but and then you know he tried. But

885
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 4: then it just wasn't there. And I think, you know,

886
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 4: for Aljo too, he's because he is. He's quirky man,

887
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: he really is. But there's a difference between walking around

888
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 4: and having fun and fighting, you know what I mean? So, yeah,

889
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: is he can he enjoy his day with the problem? Yeah?

890
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 4: So I think he's nutty for going on Instagram and

891
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 4: doing what he's you know, some of the things he does.

892
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 4: But in his head it's like this isn't fighting though

893
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 4: fighting is serious, Like I gotta be a hundred, you know,

894
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: I got to be feeling good. You know this, I could.

895
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 4: I could dance if you want to see that. You know,

896
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 4: even got some rounds in with Adrian Janniz Who what.

897
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: Right Adrian over there? Talented kid?

898
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 4: Huh, what a great kid? What a great great kid? Man.

899
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 4: I really hope he comes back. Uh, you know, he

900
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 4: really misses Soul. You know, I had a picture with me.

901
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 4: I have a buddy of mine who you know, I

902
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 4: trained who It was like, I don't want to say

903
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: best friends with Seul, but he lived in Houston. He

904
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: was close with Seaul. So when matt Ford CSP we

905
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: used Seul school. So Saul was a great guy. So

906
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 4: we had him in the back room. He was in

907
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 4: the room with us when Matt was warming up, you know,

908
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: so I had taken a picture. So it's the first

909
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 4: thing I did. I showed Adrian. I said, look, man,

910
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 4: the guy was a good dude. Man, I know what

911
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 4: you're going through and you know, anything I could do

912
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 4: to have a help you, you know, with one hundred

913
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 4: percent though, And he's a super talented kid, humble. Everybody

914
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 4: in the gym loved him. I think he had a

915
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: great time. He looked great with al Jodah. You know

916
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 4: they've moved around, you know, not crazy, but you know

917
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: that was the other thing, Like he was scheduled to

918
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 4: come in because I wanted I wanted Adrian Giannas and

919
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 4: I said, I just kids got good hands. Take this kid.

920
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 4: He can fight, man, there's no question about it. And

921
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: so he had made that before he pulled out of

922
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 4: a fight, and I thought he was going to cancel

923
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 4: Adrian coming in, but he didn't. He came in, and

924
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 4: I'm glad he did because we got to meet him.

925
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 4: And he's just a super nice kid with a lot

926
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 4: of talent. Man.

927
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I love you know that he can make

928
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: a run and if you don't know. Ray's talking about

929
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 3: the late Saul so Lees. He made a huge imprint

930
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: on mixed martial arts in Houston, who recently passed away

931
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: due to COVID nineteen. He was a good friend of

932
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: our matchmaker Mick Maynard.

933
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, John, it's that picture I wanted

934
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 4: to put up like a year ago on Instagram and say, man,

935
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 4: this is this is an og of the game. Man.

936
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: This guy was around from day one, you know what

937
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: I mean. And I don't think he ever got any credit,

938
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 4: but he was a great He really was a great trainer.

939
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 4: And like again, he's really close with a buddy of mine.

940
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 4: I think they was used to meet up in Jersey,

941
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 4: you know, uh, right before he died and that was it,

942
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 4: you know, so uh, you know, it's a little tribute

943
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: to Seaul. He was definitely a pioneer in the sport

944
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 4: and he deserves some credit. And I know where that

945
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 4: kid's coming from.

946
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: All Right, I got the odds here DraftKings Sports Book,

947
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 3: Corey Sandhagen and Pyotr Jan Ray. What do you think?

948
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 3: And then you can go.

949
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 4: I'm I believe Corey's gonna win that fight, but I'm

950
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 4: saying they have that I'm saying, it's gotta be like,

951
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 4: it's definitely has to be close. I can't. I say

952
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 4: Jan's a slight favorite slight.

953
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: So I thought Jan would be minus one sixty ken

954
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 3: Flow and san Haagen would be like plus one forty.

955
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 3: It's way more pronounced than that. Pyotr Yan is minus

956
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: two sixty five. Corey Sandhagen on DraftKings this Morning is

957
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: plus two fifteen. So interesting, I think, again, I can

958
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 3: sure youn't you won't get that price on fight night.

959
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 3: And again I think Jan deserves the distinction as the favorite.

960
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 3: Doubt Steve five damn. You know, imagine if if san

961
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: Haagen had won against Dilla Shaw on the scorecards. I

962
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: think that affects that price at least thirty seconds.

963
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: You know, I think what happens in this and it's

964
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 4: it's always a mistake M M A is not linear logic.

965
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 4: If he could be B B, could b C. That's

966
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 4: the first. So they're going by Yan beat al Joe,

967
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: you know, pretty bad at the you know, he was

968
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 4: beating him before he you know, decided to wreck his

969
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 4: career with aw Joe choked out, you know, san Hagen.

970
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 4: So their logic is that you know, the complete opposite

971
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 4: of what I just said that because of that, Jan's

972
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 4: gonna beat Sanagan. I think he's got a he's got

973
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 4: a long, lanky guy who knows how to use that,

974
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 4: who likes to fight. I think he's going to redeem

975
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: you know. I think he believes and I believe he

976
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 4: beat uh BILLI Shaw. I know we could argue that.

977
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 4: I think it's definitely a close fight, but I gave

978
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 4: it to san Haagen. He's gonna he's gonna use that

979
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: as motivation and he's super talented. The short notice is

980
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 4: a little weird, but I think he's the type of

981
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 4: guy that's always staying in shape. I don't know for sure,

982
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 4: but he seems like that. So I think Jan's got

983
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 4: to Really I think Sannegan wins that fight.

984
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: You and I got to do a bet at some

985
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: point in time. Maybe this will be the fight, although

986
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: I'm calling it, but I I want my next bet

987
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: to be if it's not a tattoo, like to shave

988
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: off an eyebrow. Because one of the New England Patriots

989
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: beat reporters Tom E Kerr, and when the Patriots were

990
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: playing the Jets in Week two, he said, this is

991
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: such a lock that the Pats are gonna win this

992
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: game and cover the spread. If they don't win the game,

993
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 3: I'll shave off an eyebrow. I thought. It's fucking great.

994
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: And of course the Patriots rolled and his eyebrows are

995
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: still intact. For me, it'd be tough, right because I'd

996
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 3: almost have to like you have to have makeup on

997
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: one or like ask the boss of it can just

998
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: not put me on camera for two months while it

999
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 3: grows back. But I want to do a bet where

1000
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 3: loser shaves off a fucking eyebrow.

1001
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 4: No, I think you and Kenny would have fun with that.

1002
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: You're too vain for that. Why well, it grows back.

1003
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 4: You just said it.

1004
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: I'm too vain and you've got a television career to

1005
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: protect round.

1006
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 4: Oh, I got a big career. Big, big, big Johnny,

1007
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 4: Big Johnny.

1008
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 3: It's a big it is How big is it?

1009
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: How big is it?

1010
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: It's huge?

1011
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 4: It's so big when it sits around the house, it

1012
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 4: sits around that.

1013
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 3: I like that. All right, We'll get on out of here.

1014
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: You know, great day, better evening all that stuff, and uh,

1015
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: you know.

1016
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 4: We got another ten fighters in the next three weeks.

1017
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

1018
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 4: Wow list next week will go over everything. It's crazy.

1019
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 4: It's actually insane. A lot of good, good guys coming

1020
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 4: up to a ring of combat.

1021
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: All systems go yo, yeah yeah, all right, man, Well

1022
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: thanks for your contributions as usual, and uh we just

1023
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: see next I don't know, yeah, not for a while.

1024
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, from I might come to Florida though. I'm thinking

1025
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 4: of visiting Tony Ricci.

1026
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: If Oh yeah Tony here now sure?

1027
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's got his own car too down there.

1028
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: Hey, congratulate U, Turbo.

1029
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 4: Definitely listen. Let me just touch on that first Turbo.

1030
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw the fight, but he

1031
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 4: must have. He would have finished with a crucifix in

1032
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 4: the first round, but the you know, the bell rang,

1033
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 4: but then he got two more, you know, I mean,

1034
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 4: and he finally got the job done in the fourth round.

1035
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 4: So kids got a bright future, just infectious personality. And

1036
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to forget pompos too, because he lost

1037
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: his list fight, but he came out with a vengeance

1038
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 4: and want a knockout he had, so happy for both guys.

1039
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's like we try our best. It's like,

1040
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: how many of these local guys can flow? Can I

1041
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 3: track you?

1042
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 4: Know.

1043
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: It's like I'm fucking putting pull me over, and he's like,

1044
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: you can't forget about this guy. It's like Jesus Christ.

1045
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: No, you, Pomy will be in the UFC within the year.

1046
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. Maybe with the what's the

1047
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: other guy's name, we.

1048
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 4: Call him pompos got a very Greek charlio, Poppa Penie

1049
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 4: something like that. I'm gonna get his name wrong, but

1050
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 4: we call him the great Pompino.

1051
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: All right, Hey, get get on out of here. Ray,

1052
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: MIC's even on after I had my fiel.

1053
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 4: Though, of the I think you're up to your rivals.

1054
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 4: I hate that.

1055
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: I think we're good, you know, all right, Cody, right,

1056
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: thank you. Everybody says I'm talking to ship on the

1057
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: way out. So now I feel like I have to

1058
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: take a shot at Ray. I don't have anything on

1059
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: the tip of my tongue necessarily, but I hope the

1060
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: listenership likes all the talk about his local guys though,

1061
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 3: I hope you really like I know, but Poom obviously

1062
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 3: is on the cusp of greatness. A lot of us

1063
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: really believe that. But if you don't like the local

1064
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: stuff on Long Goos, guys, just let us know at

1065
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 3: Anna Florian Pott and we'll let him know. A couple

1066
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: of big fight odds for you can flow before we

1067
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: get to our main event challenge for uh for the

1068
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 3: fights this weekend. Excited to see McKenzie Dern in her

1069
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: first main event against Marina Hadriguez. So a lot of

1070
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 3: big fight announcements since we have been on the air. Obviously,

1071
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 3: San Hagen and Pyotr Jan very surprised at that betting line.

1072
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: I have to admit, even though I do believe yoder

1073
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,479
Speaker 3: Yan right now is the best band wait in the world.

1074
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: Dominic Cruz is fighting Pedro Munoz December eleventh. It looks

1075
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 3: like Jared Cannonier and Derek Bronson, Dustin Pourier and Charles

1076
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 3: Olivera looks like that is signed for an unifuted lightweight

1077
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: title fight. Any idea with the betting line on Drafting

1078
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 3: sports Book might be for Pourier and Olivera can flow.

1079
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 6: Ooh geez, let's oh my goodness. I would say Poorier

1080
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 6: is the favorite headed into that one.

1081
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Pourier minus one fifty five, Charles Olivera is plus

1082
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: one thirty five. A couple of other fights that have

1083
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: been announced Marlon cheat do Vera versus Frankie Edgar. I

1084
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 3: believe that'll be UFC two sixty eight November. Any idea

1085
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: what the betting line says about Cheeto and Frankie Boy?

1086
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 4: Uh?

1087
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: Cheeto the favorite heading into that one Geeto minus one

1088
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 3: fifty Frankie Edgar plus one thirty. Uh. And then I

1089
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: saved this one because I think it's pretty interesting. Sean

1090
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: Strickland and Luke Rockhold. I'd say Strickland probably a two

1091
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 3: to one favorite pretty much. Strickland minus won sixty rock

1092
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 3: Cold plus one forty. So yeah, no, I mean more

1093
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: or less, you know, yes, But yeah, I I think

1094
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: that's very interesting. I mean, I obviously that speaks to

1095
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 3: Strickland's current form in rock Hold's layoff. All right, let

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Speaker 3: us get to the pronunciation of the week as we

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00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: welcome in our executive producer Cody Merrill.

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Speaker 5: Hey, best looking fighter in MMA right to the best

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00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 5: looking podcast producer in MM. I mean, the transitions make themselves.

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00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 3: John amazing, amazing.

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00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 5: How you even need Greek pronunciations are amazing? Like do

1102
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 5: you need me for this?

1103
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: I've been part of the reason it's hard to put

1104
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: over his athletes is because he can't pronounce any He

1105
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 3: doesn't even know their names. They're all Georgian or Russian

1106
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 3: or yeah, Nikos, Philip.

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00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 5: Even his Americans have weird Al Aquinta, Yaquinta, you know,

1108
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 5: right right, real gangster.

1109
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 3: Notice how he never attempts to say al Jermaine or

1110
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: Dwalash Willie. We should just bribe him, give one hundred bucks.

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00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: Pronounce Morob's last name correctly next week, all right, pronunciation

1112
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Speaker 3: of the week. This fighter will be facing Sabina Mazo

1113
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: in a women's flyway fight on the main card this weekend.

1114
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: We didn't get into, by the way, Aspen lad and

1115
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 3: all of that stuff. Maybe on the way out. This

1116
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 3: fighter is twenty four years old former two time boxing

1117
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: champion out of Kazakhstan. Cody Merrow, of whom am I speaking.

1118
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 5: I believe you're speaking about Maria Agappova.

1119
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 3: All right, let's hear Maria.

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00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 5: I hate when you smile when you do that money.

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00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Maria.

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00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 3: W for your boy. Yeah.

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00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 5: I definitely would have said Maso too, So you went

1124
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 5: with the right side of that.

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00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: That's a win if I'm not mistaken. That's two in

1126
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 3: a row. That's easy on Cody Merrow. I appreciate that.

1127
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys saw my dog correctly

1128
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 5: picked last night Patriots plus six and a half for

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Speaker 5: the DK sports book. So cash and checks everywhere for

1130
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 5: people pronntation of the week, betting with the.

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Speaker 3: Patriots merchandise, just all systems, goud if only I lost, Yeah, Patriots.

1132
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 6: So Boston College lost, I mean like they lost, that's

1133
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 6: the thing. BC lost it, and the Patriots lost it.

1134
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 6: They didn't win, the Tampa Bay didn't win, and Clemson

1135
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 6: didn't win. I feel like we lost. But anyways, but do.

1136
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't losing Kenny b TC wasn't.

1137
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: Yees because we're going up, going to the moon, let's go. Yeah,

1138
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,959
Speaker 3: I uh yeah, I never know how to approach it, right.

1139
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: Just because it goes up to forty seven thousand doesn't

1140
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: necessarily mean I should not plunge. If I'm of the

1141
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: belief that, uh, I'm gonna have it forever or for

1142
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 3: a very long time, and it's gonna be eighty and several. Right,

1143
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: it's like I just getting too caught up in the

1144
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 3: buying the dips, you know. And as far as the

1145
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 3: Patriots are concerned, Bill Belichick had a lot of answers

1146
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: for Tom Brady, I'll he did, he did. They played

1147
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 3: a great game. And if you're a New England Patriots

1148
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: fan and I don't know how you cannot be encouraged

1149
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: by the young quarterback Mac Jones. That's enough about that.

1150
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 4: All right.

1151
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,680
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1162
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1163
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1164
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Speaker 3: Don't forget the second s, all right, some picks to make.

1169
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 3: It's UFC Fight Night. Dern versus Hadriguez. Let us get

1170
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 3: to the main event challenge.

1171
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: It's the main event challenge.

1172
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 3: Time is most How do you everything possible to win the.

1173
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: Main event challenge? John Hennick and Kenny Florian Podcast.

1174
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: Listen to those fucking pipes. This kid is going on.

1175
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 3: How you doing?

1176
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 2: I came up. I came bearing gifts, by the way,

1177
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 2: in the form of nicknames. First of all, I want

1178
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: to shout out some of Ray Longa's local fighters if

1179
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: you don't mind, But John anecdote, John Annick at the disco,

1180
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: they need some work. But the DeLorean Kenny Florian motherfucker

1181
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: took somebody out and they go back in time. We

1182
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: got oh my god, you killed Kenny Florian. Another one

1183
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: and I can't leave him out. I got Cody Cody

1184
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: Bone Marrow or Vinci Cody Marrow.

1185
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 3: Fire, Tommy can we call you Tommy T. Mac Thomas.

1186
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: We're leaving all of this stuff in the show. So

1187
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 3: Cody Bone Marrow like like I made call him fucking

1188
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 3: bone for it. What a great nickname, What a great nickname.

1189
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 3: Very good get Druggish bone and I think it's sort

1190
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: of fitting, right, like we gotta spin it to the positive,

1191
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 3: Cody Bone Marrow. The other ones are good. That one

1192
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: is elite, alright, A few of those, all right, that's right.

1193
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: Oh there's a good tie. And yeah, I've been known

1194
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: to smoke a bone or two. All right. So this

1195
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: is Thomas McCormack, McCormick, McCormick or McCormack.

1196
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: McCormick spelled with an A for some stupid reason, right.

1197
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: So Thomas McCormick. If you don't know, and you hear

1198
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 3: the Dulca tones, great voice, great podcaster representing the Rushmore podcast.

1199
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: I've been on Ken flow overdue to be on at

1200
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 3: Rushmore podcast. They'll ask you, you know, fuck Mary Kill.

1201
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 3: Sorry to the children out there right who you would

1202
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: have sex with Mary and Kill.

1203
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: I actually had one prepared for Cody today, but out

1204
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: of respect for the platform, I was going to offer

1205
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: to leave it up to Twitter.

1206
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 3: All right, that's about it. I kind of want you

1207
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 3: to do it right now.

1208
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: All right, John and Kenny Floorian Ray Longo, fuck Mary

1209
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: kill Cody.

1210
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 5: Well, yeah it is too. I mean, I'm fucking Ray obviously. Well,

1211
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 5: I'm probably gonna marry Kenny because he's just mean.

1212
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: Look at him.

1213
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 5: Could kill John, I mean because I think Jason's better looking.

1214
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 6: So if it was oh wow wow, you know, maybe

1215
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 6: get hair if John grew out his hair.

1216
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: Kenny does have the bitcoin security too, so you know

1217
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: you're gonna be well off in the future.

1218
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 5: Well, and if I'm marrying Jay, at least they'll win

1219
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 5: me some basketball games.

1220
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 3: You know. This guy, man, this guy. I didn't think

1221
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 3: I would end up getting, uh getting killed in that equation,

1222
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: but uh at Rushmore Podcast on social media, and it's

1223
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: great to have you on the program. Long overdue. We

1224
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 3: got four predictions today. We're gonna start with the main

1225
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 3: card opener. Fellas at middleweight Phil Hawes. I always want

1226
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 3: to say, haas Phil Hawes the minus two to seventy

1227
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 3: favorite against Iran Win. This fight was made once before,

1228
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 3: it shall be done here Saturday night. Duran Win is

1229
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 3: plus two twenty and coming off a win last December

1230
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 3: tom against Antonio Ajoyo that ended a two fight skid

1231
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 3: for Diran win challenges get stiffer. Here your thoughts on

1232
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: Win and Hawes and a matchup of former elite collegiate wrestlers.

1233
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I actually thought that this is gonna be

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00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 2: tougher for me to pick because of a win. He

1235
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: landed twelve takedowns in that fight against Oya, which is wild.

1236
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: So when looking into it, though, I did see that Halls.

1237
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 2: I mean, he's won seven in a row and three

1238
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: of his last five have been knockouts. He is undefeated

1239
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: in the UFC except for that first Contender serious skit

1240
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: he had, but since coming back, he beat Kyle Dawkins

1241
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: in his last fight. He is ju jitsu brown belt

1242
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: out of Sanford MMA, I believe, and Division one wrestler.

1243
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: I like him to defend Deron Wins wrestling and beat

1244
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: him on the feet, honestly, So I'm picking Phil Halls

1245
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: in this way.

1246
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot that his last win did come against

1247
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: Kyle Dawcas by unanimous decision. And Phil Hawes has found

1248
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 3: the group man, you know. I mean, I think he

1249
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 3: was hardened in a good way by a lot of

1250
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 3: the early trials in his career. I don't know if

1251
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 3: he deserves the three to one distinction with respect to

1252
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: deran Win, but you can understand why people are bullish

1253
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 3: on Phil Hawes. Kempflo, what do you think about this one? Yeah, listen,

1254
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,439
Speaker 3: I think Thomas has a correct here.

1255
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Speaker 6: I like Phil Hawes just based on the fact that

1256
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 6: he does come from that wrestling background, but he's much

1257
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 6: more than just a wrestler. If this was a wrestling match,

1258
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 6: duron Win would would win this, Okay. He's very talented

1259
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 6: when it comes to putting you on your back. But

1260
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 6: Phil Hawes, you know, his size in this fight is

1261
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 6: also going to be a factor for Dirn Winn to

1262
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 6: get on the inside.

1263
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 3: To hit those takedowns repeatedly. Phil Hawes is just a

1264
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 3: much better striker.

1265
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 6: He's more well rounded, and he is growing and getting

1266
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 6: better as a fighter.

1267
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 3: I like Hawes as well, all right. Next up featured

1268
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 3: bout at flyweight Matthews Nico Lao so movement thirty cents

1269
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 3: since Thursday guys So Nico Lao from minus one sixty

1270
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 3: five to minus one ninety five and Tim Elliott up

1271
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 3: from plus one forty five to plus one sixty five.

1272
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 3: Matthews Nico Llow talented young fighter a little bit off

1273
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 3: the radar because he had a huge gap in competition,

1274
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 3: outpointed Manel cop busplit decision that was back in March

1275
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 3: in his first appearance since twenty eighteen. On the other side,

1276
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 3: sixteenth UFC appearance for Tim Elliott, who has now won

1277
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 3: two row after a three fight skid. Number eleven versus

1278
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 3: number nine. Here Flyway, Tom big Stakes. Who do you like,

1279
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 3: Nico Lao or Tim Elliott?

1280
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 2: All right, So Nico Lele he lost by ko to

1281
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: Dustin Ortiz before he left the UFC the first time,

1282
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: I believe, which isn't you know that telling first chan

1283
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 2: or anything like that, But he has only had one

1284
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: fight in the last two years with that split decision win.

1285
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: I do think tim Elliott when looking into it, he's

1286
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: credentialed as a blue belt, but the dude has some scratch.

1287
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got four including to Ultimate Fighter, He's

1288
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: got four submissions in the UFC. He almost ripped Mighty

1289
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: Mouse's arm off in the first round if I remember

1290
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 2: that correctly. He's he's coming in his event. He's had

1291
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: five fights since Nicolaule's had his last one, so he's

1292
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: definitely far more active of the fighter, and I think

1293
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: he's gonna get a third straight win, and I'm taking

1294
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: him as the underdog, and he has a mullet, so

1295
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: I should get more, I should get better odds, they

1296
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 2: should pay me extra. And I want to beat Kenny Florian,

1297
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: so I'm taking some fucking today.

1298
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 3: I like that.

1299
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: I'll bet an obro with him.

1300
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm telling you, I'm doing that as soon as

1301
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 3: my TV career is over. We're doing the eyebrow bet

1302
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 3: Ken Flow. Nico Lao favored here over Tim Elliott. Your thoughts?

1303
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 3: Has it been hard to beat Kenny floor In this year,

1304
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 3: by the way, But.

1305
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I like Nicolau here, Tim Elliott. I I

1306
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 6: agree with all those things you said. I do think

1307
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 6: he is very underrated as a submission artist. And while

1308
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 6: I could see him getting the submission, I think this

1309
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 6: fight stays on the feet. I think Nikolao finds a

1310
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 6: way to keep it on the feet where he has

1311
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 6: the advantage.

1312
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 3: I think he hits pretty hard.

1313
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 6: He had a close last fight against cap there, but

1314
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 6: still coming to his own still getting stronger.

1315
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 3: I like him to win this fight. Yeah, I think

1316
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 3: he has more upside. I guess that is insane much

1317
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 3: right now, given where Tim Elliott is, but a lot

1318
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 3: of people left Elliott kind of for dead after that skid,

1319
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 3: and Harry is trying to win three in a row.

1320
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 3: All right, Co main event at Welterwait Randy Brown minus

1321
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 3: two fifty five on Thursday now minus two forty on

1322
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: draft Kings Jared Gooden plus two oh five now plus

1323
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 3: one ninety five. Will need the round and the method

1324
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 3: of victory, all right, twelfth UFC start here for Randy Brown.

1325
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: Some fans get upset when I say start, they get

1326
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 3: really upset, you know, instead of appearance. Right, It's like

1327
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 3: as broadcasters, we're constantly trying to come up with different

1328
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 3: ways to say the same stuff. You know, half pound,

1329
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 3: call it a hook, whatever the hell we do anyway,

1330
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 3: Twelfth UFC appearance for Randy Brown. He's won three of

1331
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 3: his last four, all of those are finishes. Tom he

1332
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 3: fights Jared Gooden. Took him a while to get to

1333
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 3: the UFC, but he's here. He's tough as hell, he's skilled.

1334
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 3: What do you think about the co main event? Will

1335
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 3: need a round and a method of victory as well.

1336
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 4: Sir h.

1337
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 2: I do believe that I lost some money betting against

1338
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: Jared Gooden in his last fight where he did win

1339
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: by first round KO. I'm not going to do that again, Kenny,

1340
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 2: so get excited. Jared Gooden coming off that first round

1341
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 2: KO over Nicholas Stoltz and Randy coming off that insane

1342
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: that one arm choke on a cowboy Oliver Era, which

1343
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 2: was ridiculously impressive. I think Randy will look. I think

1344
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: he can look to mix him the takedowns and execute

1345
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: a good game plan and win a decision. I don't

1346
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: think that wouldn't shock me in any way or finish him.

1347
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: I mean by sub mission, but Jared is compiled eight

1348
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 2: knockouts and six submissions. He is a finisher. I think

1349
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 2: he's going to be the bigger man coming into this fight,

1350
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 2: and I like him as that big of a dog.

1351
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: So I'm taking Jared Gooden second round TKO.

1352
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 3: Look at that, and Jared Gooden showed me so much

1353
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 3: in that Alan Joe Ban fight on short notice when

1354
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 3: he made his ufcview. I mean, there's no questioning the heart,

1355
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 3: the desire. He's not just one of these happy to

1356
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 3: be heres. Took Jared Gooden twenty one fights to get

1357
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 3: to the UFC. Kenny, Randy Brown came undefeated, took him

1358
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 3: just six. What are your thoughts on Randy Brown and

1359
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 3: Jared Gooden in what is obviously a high profile slot

1360
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 3: this weekend, And this is a.

1361
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 6: Tough one to pick. I think Gooden has a lot

1362
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 6: of potential. I love the fact that he had a

1363
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 6: lot of experience or gained a lot of experience prior to.

1364
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 3: Coming to the UFC as a pro. And you could

1365
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 3: see it.

1366
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 6: I mean when he had that fight against Joe bad

1367
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 6: he didn't seem like he was, you know, overwhelmed by

1368
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 6: the moment at all. Seemed very much at his element

1369
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 6: and gave it his best. I thought it was a

1370
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 6: good performance from him. But Randy Brown, I think, you know,

1371
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 6: with his reach, with his ability to look for finishes,

1372
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 6: with his aggression, He's a tricky guy to fight. And

1373
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 6: while I could see Jared Goodin pulling off a win here,

1374
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 6: I'm not sure he gets done by finish.

1375
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 3: But I like Randy here.

1376
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 6: I think I could see Randy finishing this fight either

1377
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 6: by submission or by or by knockout.

1378
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 3: Talented kid. Let's go with third round t KO Randy Brown.

1379
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 3: Third round t KO for Randy Brown, and I actually

1380
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 3: my prediction is Ken flow on points in his opening

1381
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 3: matchup Friday in Dallas. By the way, for the record,

1382
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 3: I don't think he gets the finish Ken Flow. By

1383
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 3: the way, Thomas competing at the NOGI World's Friday in Dallas.

1384
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 3: Let's go. He wants everybody to know, all right, main

1385
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 3: event first in the UFC FIR. Sorry, I just can't

1386
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 3: help myself. I'm so excited. I'm gonn be totally decided.

1387
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 3: All right, first main event for the number four ranks

1388
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 3: drawweight Mackenzie Dern. This is exciting stuff. This is big.

1389
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 3: She's minus one fifty five taking on number six Marinarodriguez

1390
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: plus one thirty five. I'm so glad I don't have

1391
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: to make a pick. I think this fight could truly

1392
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 3: go either way. There are no easy fights in the

1393
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 3: top eight or so at one hundred and fifteen pounds.

1394
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 3: Durn's won four in a row since she lost to

1395
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 3: Amanda Heboss, who's a common opponent here. That loss was

1396
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 3: back in twenty nineteen. Dern also undefeated since a lining

1397
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 3: with Jason Perrillo. She's a totally different beast than she

1398
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 3: was even two years ago. Harodriguez, on the other side,

1399
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 3: won a short notice main event in May against Michelle Waterson.

1400
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 3: That came after she had stopped Amanda Heboss in a

1401
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 3: huge spot on Fight Island. Confidence is high, Tommy on

1402
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 3: both sides. Obviously, I can't wait to call this fight.

1403
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 3: But we need a winner, durn v. Rodriguez. Who wins

1404
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 3: and how do they get it done?

1405
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 2: All Right, I'm so goddamn excited for this fight. First

1406
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: of all, I've been watching Big Love on HBO Mex.

1407
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: My wife Terras. She loves the show. Even when Ray

1408
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: clears his throat, she doesn't give a shit. She she

1409
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 2: loves Ray. The reason I bring that up is the

1410
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: great Bruce durn Is in that show, totally unrelated to McKinzie,

1411
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: I guess. Anyways, Marina's resume is so good that Short Notice,

1412
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: when where she was just a step ahead of Karate

1413
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 2: Hauty the whole time, was incredible, outgunned Tisha Torres, who

1414
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 2: was literally a tornado now and ever since that fight.

1415
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 3: Right, That's a good point.

1416
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 2: Another set that I found was Marina has outstruck every

1417
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 2: opponent she has ever fought, except for Cynthia Calvio to

1418
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: the draw that she had. She has outstruck every opponent

1419
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 2: he's ever had, even in her loss her last laws,

1420
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 2: she outstruck who. Yeah, she outstruck her by like twelve

1421
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,839
Speaker 2: strikes or something like that. But she has outstruck everybody.

1422
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 2: She's a monster. She's a great fucking striker. She's a savage.

1423
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can bet against her, but

1424
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you how. She was taken down three

1425
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: times a boy Carvello to that draw five times by Asparzo.

1426
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: I think Durn with Jason Perillo is going to find

1427
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 2: a way to get ind not let her set and

1428
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 2: I let her get comfortable. She's going to get the takedown.

1429
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: Give me Mackenzie fucking Durn round one submission. Let's fucking

1430
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 2: go go Pats. Matt Judan is a god. Matt Jones

1431
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 2: is great. I had I had Kyle Daccas round one

1432
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: submission plus twelve hundred odds. Really from my greedy hands,

1433
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 2: Swear to God, I will send you the screenshot. John.

1434
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I wonder if some sports books will, uh

1435
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 3: will at least give you your money back when you

1436
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 3: have a circle.

1437
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, a pus, it's a push. Sorry, Kenny Off, I

1438
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: got excited.

1439
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 3: No, I like the conviction of Mackenzie Dern and if

1440
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 3: it's a round one submission for this UFC mattin a

1441
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 3: then early early recreational time for us truly, Kemp, Well,

1442
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 3: what do you think about Mackenzie Dern uh and Marina Haddriguez? Boy,

1443
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: I love it. Listen.

1444
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 6: I could see both these ladies winning by finish right.

1445
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 6: I think Riguez has a huge advantage on the feet.

1446
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 6: She is as tough as they come.

1447
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 3: Uh.

1448
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 6: And Mackenzie Dern obviously an improving striker. We saw big

1449
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 6: improve its an her game, But she doesn't want to

1450
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,480
Speaker 6: stay on the feet for too long against Marina Rodriguez.

1451
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 3: I think that would be a mistake.

1452
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 6: Not that you know, Rodriguez is kind of that power

1453
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 6: striker with her hands necessarily, I think she could knock

1454
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 6: you out with either a combination of strikes or you know,

1455
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 6: maybe from the Muay Thai clench with the knees. So

1456
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 6: Mackenzie has to be very careful h picker shots when

1457
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,799
Speaker 6: she's able to get on the inside and get the takedown.

1458
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 3: But I think Mackenzie, if she's able to get.

1459
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 6: Marina on on the mat, like pretty much anyone in

1460
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 6: that division, she submits her and submits her relatively quickly.

1461
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 3: So I like McKenzie here as well. Thomas.

1462
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 6: You went with round one submission one, Kenny, damn you

1463
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 6: I'll go I'll go round two. How's that right?

1464
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 3: Kenzie? Fixed there on Mackenzie dern. If you want more

1465
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 3: from Thomas McCormick at Rushmore Podcast, you also do what

1466
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 3: Roughhouse Friday with Brian Callum before the big pay per views?

1467
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1468
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? We're doing those about once a month. We're doing

1469
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 2: one for Tyson fur and Deontay Wilder this week. You

1470
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: can find that on Brian Callen's YouTube or wherever you

1471
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 2: listen to podcasts rough Houe Friday. And then, uh, I

1472
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: have my own media company, McCormick Media Management, where I

1473
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 2: try to be the next cod to Marrow. I produce podcasts,

1474
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 2: I do all the marketing, all kinds of shit like that.

1475
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 4: Uh.

1476
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 2: By the way, Kenny, I did want to tell you

1477
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: my co host for Rushmore Podcast, Pepper gowings, if he

1478
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: had enough bitcoin to retire, the dude would watch sixteen

1479
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 2: hours straight of BattleBots every day.

1480
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 3: Hell yeah?

1481
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: Oh. Also, I think I called Jason Perillo Jason Derulo

1482
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 2: a while ago, and that's rediculous.

1483
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: He's a singer.

1484
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah.

1485
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 3: Two different people that next to Derillo on Derulo on

1486
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 3: a plane ones by the way.

1487
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 5: I would love to hear.

1488
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 3: Is it true?

1489
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 6: Is it true Thomas that I look like a better looking,

1490
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 6: younger version of Brian Kalan?

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01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 3: Do you agree with that?

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01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 2: You're definitely more hair, I would say, and better hair.

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01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 5: Uh.

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01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: Your improv is really good. You're a funny guy. Uh.

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01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 2: I don't know that he could do the BattleBots job,

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01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 2: so personality wise, I wouldn't say so. But you you're

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01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,799
Speaker 2: a handsome guy. He's a handsome guy. You're both very agile.

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01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: I think you're about forty. I think you're about forty

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01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 2: seven years younger than Brian Kellen at this point. But

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01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 2: I can see you growing in. I can see you

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01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 2: in about ten years being a younger Brian Kellen.

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01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 3: Okay, he's much funnier than I am. But thank you.

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01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 3: I appreciate that one of the few guys out there

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01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 3: that's older than Ken Flow. Hey, team Matt, great stuff.

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01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 3: Don't be a stranger. And uh you know that that

1506
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 3: have sex Mary kill game really is addicting, right, It's

1507
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 3: like I just I find myself thinking about that while

1508
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 3: you guys are making your picks. Like if I were

1509
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 3: to turn this round on Kenny and throw Cody and

1510
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 3: me and somebody else, like, I don't think Ken Flow

1511
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 3: has killed me, but I'm not trying to get killed

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01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 3: twice today on the program. So maybe just stuff on there, man,

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01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 3: host Ta Mac, I mean, Jesus Christ, No, I can't

1514
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 3: go down. We gotta go Hey, great stuff, man, Thank.

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01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 2: You, Thank you, dude. I appreciate it.

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01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll chat soon.

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01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, come back anytime. Thank you.

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01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 3: Thomas McCormick at Rushmore Podcast with us for the main

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01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 3: event challenge today. All right, a couple of notes on

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 3: the way out, So you know, I had mentioned I

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 3: think on these airwaves are on social media that I

1522
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 3: felt like maybe Chris or Kyle Daucas but Chris, because

1523
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 3: he's the heavyweight contender fighting a main event against Derek Lewis,

1524
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 3: kind of needed a nickname because Chris Dacas it sounds good,

1525
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: but you know, just kind of felt like he needed

1526
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 3: a nickname, you know, not like the cop necessarily, you know,

1527
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 3: the cop Chris Dorcas. But so Cody came up with

1528
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 3: dark Horse Doccas or the dark Horse Chris Daucas or

1529
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 3: Chris dark Horse Doccas and Chris fucking likes it too,

1530
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 3: because it's awesome and it's a great nickname, and obviously

1531
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 3: the alliteration with dark Horse and Doccas, he's a dark

1532
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 3: horse in the heavyweight division. Right. I don't know if

1533
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 3: it's gonna stick, you know, Chris Rode on social media.

1534
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 3: I guess it's settled.

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01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 4: Then.

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 3: Obviously they got bigger fish to fry with what happened

1537
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 3: to Kyle over the weekend. You know. But the dark Horse,

1538
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 3: Chris Daucas or Chris dark Horse Docas. You could be

1539
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 3: sure if I call his next fight, we're going to

1540
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 3: try to imprint that, like you know, nonsense, Keith Peterson.

1541
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, and if you had the Boston accent, go it,

1542
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 6: it'd be like cost Doccas.

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01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 3: It'd be like almost this. It's funny the coach guys.

1544
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 3: These are Philly guys with an accent that I actually

1545
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 3: can't do, and yet it has me doing a Boston

1546
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 3: accent for some strange reason. All right, So that's it

1547
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: on dark Horse, Doccas, Cody Bone Marrow, Cody. I like

1548
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 3: to have heard that before.

1549
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 5: That was my dad's think them in high school, no way, Yeah,

1550
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 5: nobody was that creative when I went to high school.

1551
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 3: I was just marrow. His new name is bone. Dude

1552
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 3: makes me want to sing ugus ruggish boone Cody bom

1553
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 3: bom bomb bomb bomb bomb exactly all right. And the

1554
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 3: last thing I just want to say, aspen Lad has

1555
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 3: dealt with injuries and missing Wade. If you don't know

1556
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 3: she missed Wade, it was a very difficult visual and

1557
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 3: I think it's hard for her to have some of

1558
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 3: her fellow fighters like Misha Tate, whom she looks up to,

1559
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 3: come out and sort of publicly criticize her. And I

1560
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 3: think when you have a prior history, you're not going

1561
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 3: to have a long leash with people. I will just

1562
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 3: say I have a much longer leash with women than

1563
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 3: I do man, and I am far more likely to

1564
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 3: give a woman the benefit of a doubt that a man,

1565
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 3: because like, their bodies do crazy shit, they push babies out,

1566
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 3: and I just can't speak to any of that, you know.

1567
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying, as a UFC played by play announcer,

1568
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 3: when a female athlete, you know, talks about her time

1569
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 3: of the month or whatever, like you have my respect

1570
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 3: and I feel really bad for you and that sort

1571
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 3: of you know, Yes, it gives me a little pause

1572
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 3: when I see Mesha come out and criticize her, and

1573
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: maybe some of the other UFC female athletes would come

1574
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 3: at me, But you know, I'm more critical of the

1575
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 3: guys than the women. I think Aspin Lad needs to

1576
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 3: get way more ahead of this than she's doing. But

1577
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, man like, sometimes it's not

1578
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 3: as in a woman's control as it is in a

1579
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 3: man's control. I'll say this, it's a tough situation. I agree,

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01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 3: But I'll say.

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01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 6: This, I think that when sometimes you can, you know,

1582
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 6: maybe take your foot off the gas when it comes

1583
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 6: to the diet or the training or the calorie counting,

1584
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 6: whatever the hell you're doing to make weight. For men,

1585
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 6: it's a lot easier for us to do that than

1586
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 6: than women, right because just timing wise, all that stuff.

1587
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 6: So I agree with you there. However, I think for Aspen,

1588
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 6: you know, she's still at the point of her career

1589
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 6: where maybe she needs to get a little bit more serious,

1590
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 6: a little bit more diligent with her diet, with her routine,

1591
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 6: and you know, I think sometimes you wait for things

1592
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,799
Speaker 6: kind of last minute a little bit, and given her history,

1593
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:33,799
Speaker 6: you know, you'd think.

1594
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 3: That she would be on top of it a little

1595
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 3: bit more.

1596
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 6: And it could also be that just that weigh class

1597
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 6: isn't for her, you know, right right.

1598
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 6: So it's a tough situation and I hope she gets

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01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 6: it sorted out, and I hope she's helping.

1601
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 3: And I guess it was a fairly big miss. And

1602
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't there with boots on the ground, so I

1603
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 3: don't know exactly what's going on, you know, but I

1604
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's I guess it on that all right,

1605
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 3: We're back next Monday with you. I hope you enjoyed

1606
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 3: the program. UFC Fight Night Durned versus Rodriguez this Saturday

1607
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: on ESPN plus First Fight ten am Pacific, one pm Eastern,

1608
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 3: which has me very excited combat and coffee. Then we're

1609
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 3: back next Monday to preview Holly Holmes return, which is

1610
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 3: coming up on October sixteenth. Don't forget and florinpodcast dot

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Speaker 3: support Kenflow give him some shouts on social media this

1615
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Speaker 3: weekend for his return to competition, and remember the show

1616
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 3: live Thursday night with Malam Muhammad and Jason Anak on

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01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 3: this very channel. If you missed the Battle for Georgia

1618
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 3: last week, he gets you, Kadze Morob Dwalash Willie. The

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01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 3: replay is likely just to the right of this video,

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01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 3: so check that out as well. They will be live

1621
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 3: again this Thursday, Ken Flow, get the scal going, choke

1622
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 3: these motherfuckers out and host a picture on Intoctagram with

1623
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 3: the podium and you on top of it. Let's go.

1624
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 6: Let me thank you buddy for matches to take the

1625
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 6: whole thing, and I'm gonna take it one at a time,

1626
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 6: and I can't wait. Man, I'm looking forward to it hopefully.

1627
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 6: I don't get like stalled out. I don't care about losing.

1628
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 6: I just want someone to just grapple and let's get

1629
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 6: after it.

1630
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 3: I get it fun, I get it well. I care

1631
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 3: about the winning and losing. I guess you know it's

1632
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 3: your first time competing as Archer's dad. Let's fucking bring

1633
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 3: it there. There you go. Thank you. I appreciate that,

1634
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 3: all right. Thank you all for watching, for subscribing, Tell

1635
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 3: your friends for listening. We look forward to all of

1636
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 3: your comments on the whole docas Holland stuff, and we

1637
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 3: are right back in your lives in less than a week.

1638
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Speaker 3: Until then, don't text and drive.

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Speaker 1: On Too Many Lawyers, we take on a couple of

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1642
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1644
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