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Speaker 1: it's affiliates or sponsors. This is True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Monday, December eighth, and yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked night of headlines. Accused CEO healthcare

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Speaker 2: shooter Luigi Mangioni's pre trial continues.

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Speaker 3: He was in court today.

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Speaker 2: And again face to face with the people who actually

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Speaker 2: did the.

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Speaker 3: Arrest in the Altoona McDonald's.

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Speaker 2: Plus week two of the trial of accused wife killer

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Speaker 2: Brian Walsh continues.

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Speaker 3: It only gets more wild.

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Speaker 2: So I know we've been following this one closely body

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Speaker 2: very close to your heart. Cannot wait to download with

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Speaker 2: you on it. Plus the biological father of these sixteen

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Speaker 2: year old suspect in Anna Kepner's death, the young eighteen

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Speaker 2: year old who died while aboard a cruise ship. So

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Speaker 2: the biological son of her stepbrother has finally spoken out.

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Speaker 2: And it's complicated and layered and complex and lots of

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Speaker 2: discuss there. And this other case that we've been talking

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Speaker 2: about Rebecca Park and her murder. Grizzly, grizzly new details

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Speaker 2: revealed by authorities today.

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Speaker 3: Buckle up.

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Speaker 2: This one's a dark one and man, what her mother

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Speaker 2: is being accused of is unimaginable. Plus the NBA player

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Speaker 2: Terry Rogier, he's pleading not guilty while in court today.

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Speaker 3: We discussed this a few weeks ago, this.

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Speaker 2: Wild NBA draft that's kind of looking like a big

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Speaker 2: mob scheme operation. Please, it's crazy. What is that going

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Speaker 2: to do to the sport? It's so upsetting. But listen,

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Speaker 2: he's saying he didn't do it, So my fingers are crossed.

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Speaker 2: I know all NBA fame, all NBA players and fans

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Speaker 2: agree with me here. I just need to know that

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Speaker 2: we have body back in the house. Body, you're feeling nice,

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Speaker 2: and I well, I'm feeling thank you, Yeah, thankfully, And

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Speaker 2: we hope everybody listening had a wonderful weekend and that

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Speaker 2: your Monday was off to a great start. It's freezing here,

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Speaker 2: and I need to know people watch the ditty doc.

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Speaker 3: Yet I want to show of hands in the studio.

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Speaker 3: I was sit, wait, body, what is your You were

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Speaker 3: a sickle weekend. I slept like twelve hours every day

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Speaker 3: and then slept another eight hours at night. I was

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Speaker 3: up for like four hours a day. It was terrible.

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Speaker 3: I had a really bad fever. I had one hundred

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Speaker 3: and two point two degree temperature fever. Sweet. I was out, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I was out. So I did not get a chance

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Speaker 3: to watch it. But I promise you I am going

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Speaker 3: to watch it, even if it's next weekend.

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Speaker 2: They can't talk to anybody until somebody's watched it, and

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Speaker 2: it's crazy making terrible, and I feel like I want

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Speaker 2: to cut the line on true crime and chill and

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Speaker 2: just ask everybody listening to please watch it. I just

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Speaker 2: think it's a really interesting documentary. I think it's worth

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Speaker 2: discussing just as a doc period. It all about it,

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Speaker 2: and that's I'm sure people have very swede opinions. I'll

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Speaker 2: But it has so much crossover to a lot of

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Speaker 2: the things that we talk about in the Epstein case,

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Speaker 2: a lot of things that we've seen in you know,

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Speaker 2: Weinstein in that case. So yeah, more on that to come,

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Speaker 2: but in the meantime, let's go to a talk back.

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Speaker 4: Hey, lady Stephanie from Ohio, I just wanted to say,

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Speaker 4: I'm just really surprised that this Miranda rights issue is

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Speaker 4: even a thing in the Luigi case because I mean,

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Speaker 4: what happens to you know, search and seizure and you know,

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Speaker 4: and then the Miranda rights are read and what they

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Speaker 3: So I'm really confused, says why this is leaveing a question?

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Speaker 3: Good question, great question, It's very good, and you know

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding is

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Speaker 3: the probable cause piece of this right. You have to

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Speaker 5: What in't a nationwide, multi jurisdictional manhunt.

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Speaker 3: Yes, justify do it? Yeah I would not justify it.

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Speaker 3: The defense is doing their job. They're you know, bringing

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Speaker 3: the poisonous tree. Right. If this they find out that

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Speaker 3: the cops didn't have probable cause to search act patpack

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Speaker 2: The same exact scenario gone down, and I'm going on

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Speaker 2: But you know, here are these Altuona police officers who,

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Speaker 2: by their own admission, did not really believe in their

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Speaker 3: Hash brand or brown Right.

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Speaker 2: So basically, in case you haven't heard, one of the

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Speaker 2: patrons at this McDonald's had notified an employee that looks

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Speaker 2: like the guy from the New York City shooting, and

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Speaker 2: Mangioni whips out his three D printed gun and starts,

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Speaker 2: you know, shooting at everyone and there's fatalities. This would

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Speaker 2: they rolled into that place and they handled with absolute care.

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Speaker 2: And yes they said maybe it was a bomb and

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Speaker 3: They kept the place very safe.

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Speaker 2: They were able to identify that this was in fact

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Speaker 3: They it could have been an active shooter.

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Speaker 2: So they were able to identify the gun, and let's

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Speaker 3: Does it seem wild to you?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you can't get it right or you can't

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Speaker 3: The police went in.

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Speaker 2: They did the best they could, They kept the situation restrained,

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Speaker 2: They were able to identify a potentially very dangerous item,

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Speaker 3: I think the police did a good job and they

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Speaker 3: That's not I do believe that. But the process of

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Speaker 3: how they got the gun is under question. Right, did

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Speaker 3: they have probable cause to You can't police. You have

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Speaker 3: of America. We have a bill of rights, we have constitution.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have all these rights. We can't just

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Speaker 3: have a reason, Okay, And did they have a reason and.

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Speaker 2: The reason can't be Wow, you sure do look like

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Speaker 2: the active shooter. Well that's fake identification.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's the question. And listen, it's not for us

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Speaker 3: to decide. Right, the judge is going to decide this.

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Speaker 3: I don't really this guy gave a fake ID I know,

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Speaker 3: but he was like shaking leaf apparently. You know, you

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Speaker 3: could see his little pinky. What was Luigi thinking today

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Speaker 2: Again, he seems pretty happy and he seems at ease

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Speaker 2: and he's given a fist, you know, given some sort

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Speaker 3: I find it just troubling. It is well.

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Speaker 5: I think he's also receiving good counsel from his legal

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Speaker 5: represent representatives to say, you should don't go in, don't

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Speaker 5: be haunched, don't look weird, don't look this, knowing optics

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Speaker 3: If he was head.

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Speaker 5: In his hands, then it's, oh, you're so guilty. If

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Speaker 5: your head's held high, you're so smug. There's like, you know,

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Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, there's some information about today's

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Speaker 5: So it was day four and today's today's focused mainly

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Speaker 5: And she was of the Altoona Police Department and she's

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Speaker 5: the one who searched the accused Manngiones backpack in the

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Speaker 5: we've been talking about. So, twenty seven year old accused

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Speaker 5: Brian Thompson. He was shot on a sidewalk in Manhattan

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Speaker 5: initial statements, his notebook slash manifesto, as well as a

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Speaker 5: three D printed gun found in his backpack excluded from

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Speaker 5: the evidence at trial. So that is what you know,

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Speaker 5: everything we've been talking about is exactly what's on folding

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Speaker 5: in court. So when the officer Christy Wasser first searched

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Speaker 5: So he had been arrested when she picked up the backpack. Now,

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Speaker 5: Officer Wasser was then shown on bodycam video pulling out

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Speaker 5: This bag, Officer Wasser found a Faraday bag and that

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Speaker 5: I didn't know what it was. I believe everyone else did,

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Speaker 5: from being remotely tracked. Now in the footage, the officers

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Speaker 5: could be seen debating whether a warrant was needed for

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Speaker 3: Most concluded one wasn't needed.

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Speaker 5: So all of these details are what is exactly as

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Speaker 5: the bag be brought to the police station's check for bombs.

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Speaker 5: At this point, Officer Christy Wasser was heard joking that

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Speaker 5: So that was a sarcastic reference to an officer, a

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Speaker 5: former Altaduna officer who accidentally brought a bag with a

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Speaker 5: did I say, alta douna alta douna.

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Speaker 3: Trust me, people get really weird about the cities.

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Speaker 2: You know, lucky that Luigi Mangioni has so much, so

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Speaker 2: But like again, they're not suggesting that he didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: It on backpack. He had a gun in his backpack.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it was a three D gun that was

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Speaker 5: Well, Stephanie, you mentioned the word manifesto and another thing

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Speaker 3: So be called like a journal or something.

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Speaker 3: I think that's very interesting. Well, listen, stick around.

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Speaker 5: We will obviously continue following this and also a lot

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 3: Your full throttle self. Yeah, I'm like eighty percent throttle.

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Speaker 3: Oh you look great, so that's got to count for something.

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Speaker 3: So I got my guys today. Yeah, it looks so good.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, we're gonna have hoodie giveaways also, So it's coming

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Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly, allegedly it is coming. So that's number one

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Speaker 2: us up in our socials. So this Brian Walsh case,

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Speaker 2: oh the stufus. This guy is just too much much.

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Speaker 2: I can barely handle it. So, ladies, where should we

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what to say. He's

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Speaker 3: I can't remember his name, but he just the whole

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Speaker 3: but the crime he committed is far from so. Today

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Speaker 2: Good Rather than calling the police or calling an emergency

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Speaker 3: Yeah, watching that.

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Speaker 2: Clown on surveillance, I wanted to jump through the television.

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Speaker 3: Just seeing him. We got to wandering around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that happened today. But I'm gonna jump back

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Speaker 3: do you remember all this internet searches? Like, well, I

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Speaker 3: And how long to smell eighty of them? So he

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Speaker 2: You know, what is the I don't understand what the

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Speaker 3: And the art fraud right.

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Speaker 3: And like he has a father he has children. I know,

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Speaker 7: Judged, like, he puts the items in his own mother's

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Speaker 3: They can't, right, So the judge on Friday told jurors

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Speaker 3: this is true Crime tonight on iHeart Radio. Right in

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Speaker 3: the middle of talking about the Brian Walls trial. I

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Speaker 3: just went over at day five. We're going to jump

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Speaker 3: right into day six if you want a wagh and

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Speaker 3: give us a call. Eight and eight thirty one crime

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Speaker 3: and today. So today's day six, okay, and this is

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Speaker 3: where we see the surveillance video from Low's. Okay. So,

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Speaker 3: witnesses from several businesses were called to the stand today

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Speaker 3: by the prosecution and their testimony was used to introduce

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Speaker 3: surveillance videos into evidence. Okay. And these videos were all

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Speaker 3: from the early days of January, and some clearly showed

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Speaker 3: Brian Walsh's face. Not only did they show his face,

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Speaker 3: He's looking into the camera, smiling and like fixing his hair,

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Speaker 3: like closing. He's such a weirdo. I can't wait for

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Speaker 3: the stralla be over because I'm so sick of looking

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Speaker 3: at his stupid face. Well, I just literally never heard

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Speaker 3: you say that before. I know that something out driving

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Speaker 3: us and I feel like he's a con man. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's a frog.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Lows. The representative from Low's Kid Reid, walked jurors through

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Speaker 3: the Danvers self checkout video okay, and a receipt that

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Speaker 3: showed items including a hack saw, hatchet, mop, buckets, cleaners, rags,

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Speaker 3: and the receipt for four hundred and sixty three dollars

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Speaker 3: in cash. Other videos showed purchase he made at Acbs

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Speaker 3: and Walgreens. The medical examiner again his name is doctor

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Speaker 3: Richard Atkinson, also returned to the stand to testify about

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Speaker 3: his review of the evidence from the case. Prosecutors showed

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Speaker 3: photos of a stained carpet. Remember we just talked about

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Speaker 3: this carpet that they talked about in day five identified

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Speaker 3: as containing a blood clot, and the witnesses said investigators

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Speaker 3: also found this white powdery substance, more clots and hair

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Speaker 3: on the carpet pieces. I think he was using this

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Speaker 3: powder to look sticky if he had fingerprints on the stuff.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, to make sure he cleaned up his don't

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Speaker 7: you guys think.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense?

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Speaker 2: As soon as you said it, it kind of just

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Speaker 2: stop on the video for one second, Okay, I said

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Speaker 2: thoughts about and I really meant lows.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we know what you meant. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: First of all, it's shocking that anybody gets away with

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Speaker 2: anything in this world. His surveillance footage is so good

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Speaker 2: and this was such good clear footage. It's clearly him

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Speaker 2: really wearing a mask. For portions of it. You see

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Speaker 2: him buying nothing else except for things that you would

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Speaker 2: murder a person with, or nothing else. Yeah, he literally

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Speaker 2: just like stacked up on supplies to cut up his wife.

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Speaker 2: And just the context seeing how casual he is. I

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Speaker 2: guess this is always the case when you see somebody

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Speaker 2: knowing that's like, whether he killed her or not. His

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Speaker 2: dead wife remains at the house, So he got in his.

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Speaker 3: Car, the mother of his children, by the mother.

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Speaker 2: Of his children. Right, where are the children? I'm curious

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Speaker 2: at this point where are the children? But the dead

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Speaker 2: wife is somewhere, right, She's in a rug someplace, rolled up,

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Speaker 2: is what I'm assuming. In this clown gets his mask,

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Speaker 2: he gets his clothes are on, he seems dressed, he

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Speaker 2: brushed his hair, probably brushed his teeth. He goes he's

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Speaker 2: strolling through the store purchasing things to hack her up.

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Speaker 3: It is mind.

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Speaker 2: Blowing cool as a cucumber. And by the way, cool

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Speaker 2: is a cucumber watching the footage too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and in this smirk he gives the camera right oh,

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Speaker 3: I cate to hear what the defense has to say

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Speaker 3: in defense of the hacksaw the hatch, because he admitted

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Speaker 3: he had to service, right, No, I.

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Speaker 5: Did it for the kids, remembers my mind actually refuses.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, he's a problem. He just he was

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Speaker 2: doing it for his children. Let's remember he was doing

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Speaker 2: it for his children. He pushed her off the bed

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Speaker 2: and she just fell off like a brag doll. Clearly

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Speaker 2: dead because obviously he has a secret degree in health

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Speaker 2: and can determine when a body is not to be saved.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine you think you'd be screaming help life?

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Speaker 2: Is there a lifeguard, somebody, an ambulance? Not Brian Walsh.

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Speaker 2: He already knows the answers. He's going to decide to

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Speaker 2: do shopping.

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Speaker 3: He's too busy doing phone searches on how long he

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Speaker 3: can get the inheritance after.

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Speaker 2: She's with the two insurance policies he has on her head.

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Speaker 3: Right again, but it's for the kids, for the kids.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it looks fishier to me. That's the part

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Speaker 7: where I think it'll be harder to defend, like looking

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Speaker 7: up the like if he's saying she died and I

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Speaker 7: brought these items to get rid of the body. I

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Speaker 7: want the kids to see it. All that. Okay, that

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Speaker 7: tracks with maybe your ridiculous story. But then the part

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Speaker 7: about the inherent and looking up the inheritance, that part,

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Speaker 7: now it gets questionable, Like now it feels like, well,

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Speaker 7: what was the logic of that?

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Speaker 3: But tah, you're cherry picking. She was also searching about

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Speaker 3: people dying in airplanes. Dead wife, I know he was.

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Speaker 3: He was busy searching for restaurants to meet. Oh and wait,

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Speaker 3: while I'm.

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Speaker 2: Mad at I'm going to call a bunch of fake

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Speaker 2: people and leave fake messages on their machine, knowing full

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Speaker 2: well by his own admission, she was dead at that point.

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Speaker 2: So here he is listening to these voicemails to her,

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Speaker 2: his now deceased wife's boyfriend, and he's.

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Speaker 3: Like, hey, there, I hope you're good. I'm just checking

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Speaker 3: in to see if by chance you've seen Anna. Haven't

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Speaker 3: heard from her from a few days. He already knows

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Speaker 3: that she's dead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, shocking that he is not a disaster mess, emotionally disregulated, crying,

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Speaker 2: broken out in hives, hysterical.

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Speaker 3: He's a calm cucumber. That account I was talking about

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Speaker 3: on Twitter had tweeted that every time he looks at

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Speaker 3: Brian while she sees like one of those you know,

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Speaker 3: monkeys with the symbol the toy that you want in

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Speaker 3: his head, Like yeah, because he's just a goof. And

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Speaker 3: the smirk that he gives the camera like he realizes

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Speaker 3: he's checking out and it's one of those cameras like

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Speaker 3: on the cash register, you know, so it's like right

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Speaker 3: up on it. It's like he realizes, Oh, I'm on

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Speaker 3: camera buying all these things. I'm gonna smirk, and he

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Speaker 3: gives like the smile and then he runs his fingers

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Speaker 3: through his his greasy hair. Yeah, I just he drives

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Speaker 3: me nut. So the defense continues to emphasize the possibility

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Speaker 3: of sudden, unexpected death, with expert testimony explaining that without

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Speaker 3: a body, a definitive cause of death cannot be determined.

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Speaker 3: So basically what they're saying is, listen, we can't say

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Speaker 3: how she died, and neither can you, because we don't

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Speaker 3: have because Brian Walsh got rid of it.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that no one's like standing up for him too,

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Speaker 2: Like we know, we've seen this in other cases where

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Speaker 2: the accused, you know, in this case, Brian Walsh that

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Speaker 2: you know a friend or a loved one or a

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Speaker 2: family member, his mother. Where's mom? Where's his mother? He

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Speaker 2: was like, dumping supplies in the.

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Speaker 3: Trash can by her house. What does that say?

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Speaker 2: I mean, thanks anyway, But does she believe him? Is

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Speaker 2: she standing by him?

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Speaker 3: I know that's a good question. Maybe we'll hear from her.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Taha, we need little sound cue for

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Speaker 2: you because you are going to read us a DM

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Speaker 2: dun dun dun da da dun dun duh.

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Speaker 7: Well, and this is just a reminder for all our listeners.

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Speaker 7: We really do get a lot of dms from you,

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Speaker 7: and we go through every single one and we really

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Speaker 7: appreciate everything that you're sending to us. So yeah, them coming.

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Speaker 7: And one of the topics that we covered not too

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Speaker 7: long ago has resonated with a lot of viewer listeners

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Speaker 7: out there, and one of that topic was seven sixty

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Speaker 7: four in line with also Gregory's cult that we also

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Speaker 7: talked about recently. So let me read you something from

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Speaker 7: devn that is in reference to the whole Greggy's cult. Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 7: this is Devon. I'm from Toronto and I'm listening to

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Speaker 7: tonight's episode that whole Greggy's cult thing happened to my

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Speaker 7: friend's fourteen year old kid last night last night, if

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Speaker 7: it was the last night, not sure if it was

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Speaker 7: them per se, but they found him on TikTok, groomed

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Speaker 7: him to send photos, not nudes, just shirtless, then they

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Speaker 7: photo shopped them to be more exposed, and tried to

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Speaker 7: extort money from him via gift cards. I am so

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Speaker 7: incredibly glad that he went to his parents and he

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Speaker 7: told them what was going on, but my goodness, it

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Speaker 7: has done a number on him. His anxiety is now

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Speaker 7: out of control. My friend did file up a police

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Speaker 7: report and is having some tough conversations with their kids.

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Speaker 7: But I feel awful for kids who can't go to

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Speaker 7: their parents.

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Speaker 3: So, my gosh, that is night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness, Thank goodness that she's reaching out and

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Speaker 2: that they, yeah, responded so quickly, quickly and swiftly.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's and Devin, thank you, thank you for sharing this.

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Speaker 5: And also even I love the detail that you know

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Speaker 5: the kid was groomed and it didn't start out even

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Speaker 5: as nudes just shirtless.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know, just bad enough.

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Speaker 5: But things start small, and I know I keep repeating this,

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Speaker 5: but things you know, the kids and victims get lulled

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Speaker 5: in by often kind words and accolades, and you're such

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Speaker 5: a good game player, or you're so clever and maybe

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Speaker 5: just this, maybe just a picture of your room. Okay,

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Speaker 5: now you in your room. And I'm so glad. I'm

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Speaker 5: grateful you shared this. And also that this fourteen year

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Speaker 5: old went to their parents.

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Speaker 3: Oh, and that took a lot of bravery, by the way,

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Speaker 3: for your you know, your friend's son. And I'm and

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Speaker 3: also it's a testament to your friend's parenting, right that

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Speaker 3: he felt comfortable enough and secure enough to go to

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Speaker 3: his parents. And thank god, you know, this is like

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Speaker 3: I think I told you guys. I posted something about

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Speaker 3: this to my Facebook and a couple of people just

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Speaker 3: don't believe it. That they think I'm making it up

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Speaker 3: or something. I even posted the DJ did to Gregy's cult.

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Speaker 3: And for those who don't know Gregy's cult, it's an ought. Well,

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Speaker 3: it was the precursor to the seven six four? Uh

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Speaker 3: kind of movement? Is it a movement or I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, I mean kind of. It's an extremist group, right,

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Speaker 2: and so falling under the category of six Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's they target minors via gaming platforms Discord, Reddit, rollblocks,

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Speaker 3: I mean, any kind of platform kids can be on,

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Speaker 3: and they engage in extortion, in and whatnot. Just like

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Speaker 3: Courtney said, they started out small like, wow, you're really

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Speaker 3: good at call of duty, Like you are really good

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Speaker 3: with that BFG, that gun that you know or whatever,

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Speaker 3: and that kind of escalates to hey, let's talk offline,

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Speaker 3: you know, and then that escalates to wow, show me

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Speaker 3: a picture of your room, just like you said, court right,

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Speaker 3: and then they say, oh, now that you sent me

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Speaker 3: this photo, I'm gonna, you know, make it look like

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Speaker 3: you're nude, and I'm going to tell everybody at school

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Speaker 3: that you're sending nudes out. And if you don't send

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Speaker 3: me five hundred dollars, I'm just being general right now. Sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And they do this to get money, obviously, and they

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Speaker 3: really like to torture these people. They are sadistic people.

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Speaker 3: They're very sadistic. Sometimes they'll tell you to kill the family.

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Speaker 3: Pet cats, guinea pigs, rabbits have been killed by these people.

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Speaker 3: They'll tell the kid, you know, if you don't kill

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Speaker 3: your rabbit, I'm going to tell your parents. And so

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Speaker 3: the kid kills the family, pet, makes a video whatever,

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Speaker 3: and then the people that do this to brag to

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Speaker 3: all their prole friends that they made this kid do that.

651
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 3: It's like Internet currency. It's a cloud they had.

652
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Speaker 5: There was one example, and this was when we were

653
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Speaker 5: speaking with one of the prosecutors on the in Cells

654
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 5: podcast project, and they referenced a case where a victim,

655
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Speaker 5: a girl underage, maybe she was fourteen or so. As

656
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 5: the grooming as it got bigger as the blackmail, this

657
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 5: victim of a girl was basically incited to call in

658
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 5: bomb threats to her own school to create as much

659
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 5: havoc as causing bomb threats would to get her in

660
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Speaker 5: the amount of trouble that you would get in calling

661
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Speaker 5: in bomb.

662
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: Threats to blow up federal school.

663
00:36:54,360 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 5: Exactly right, I mean any logic, And they set back exactly.

664
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Speaker 3: And look at all the chaos I caused. I'm the

665
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Speaker 3: winner this week, you know, or whatever's exactly right? Right, Well,

666
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Speaker 3: you know, they get to say to all their friends,

667
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: look at all the all the news stations, all the

668
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: police cars, all the whatever, it's because of me, you

669
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: know I did that. They it's currency, It's Internet currency.

670
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: So god, I'm so glad that your friend is a

671
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: good parent and their kid felt comfortable enough. You know,

672
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Speaker 3: I just read that story of the kid seventy six, no,

673
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: fifteen years old killed himself because he was mortified that

674
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Speaker 3: his nudes that he had sent one of these people

675
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: because they said that, you know, we're going to send

676
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 3: we're going to send these to you know, your school,

677
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: and they're going to know what a pervert you are.

678
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: And he's fifteen years old.

679
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Speaker 5: He took three hours, three hours and also just one

680
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 5: thing to say, body, and you said, thank god that

681
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 5: the person Devin was referring to that they are good parents.

682
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 5: Absolutely also worth noting if you find out your kid

683
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 5: isn't over their head for for some reason and you

684
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Speaker 5: haven't been told, that also doesn't.

685
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Speaker 3: Mean you are in any way a bad parent. Yes,

686
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Speaker 3: I think it's I you're so glad you said that.

687
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you said that. No, I really am

688
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: so glad you said that, because I definitely don't mean

689
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Speaker 3: to imply, you know, that that parents of children that

690
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: have fallen victim this are bad parents, because certainly not.

691
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Speaker 3: You know, It's just I just feel it's just sad,

692
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: and I don't know how to I don't know how

693
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Speaker 3: to communicate that.

694
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Speaker 7: It's just so sad, it's just so solid, and I

695
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 7: think that we're continually talking about it, and I think

696
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 7: that's part of the one way to help keep this

697
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 7: up maybe to solve it. Maybe one person out there

698
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 7: will listen to this and then think, Okay, I'll take

699
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 7: this information and make sure I check in on my child.

700
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 7: So us doing this, maybe we're helping society in some

701
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Speaker 7: small way shape or form.

702
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: But well, and if you're out there in your parent

703
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: and you have a child, you know, maybe from the

704
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 3: ages of eight to seventeen. This case is a part

705
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Speaker 3: of the Project Safe Childhood. It's a DOJ initiative to

706
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: combat online child exploitation, protect victims, and dismantle abusive networks

707
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: like Gregi's colt in seven sixty four. So please check

708
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: out Project Safe Childhood. There might be like some tips

709
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: and tricks in there on how to talk to your

710
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: kids about this, because I think if your kids know

711
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: that this is out there, they're going to be more

712
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: prone to talk to you about if it happens to them.

713
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: And if they know that you know that it exists,

714
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Speaker 3: That's what I mean.

715
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, mostly kids think that you know anything, or

716
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: they're going to be mortified when they realize that, or

717
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: my parents, you know, would never understand. Meanwhile, it's like,

718
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 2: chances are I've lived every possible thing you are most

719
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: afraid of, and you know, sometimes we don't realize that

720
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Speaker 2: in our parents until it's too late.

721
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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a tough one. Thanks. I really appreciate you.

722
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Speaker 7: M We have shift gears. Yeah, let's go to a

723
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Speaker 7: talk back and we'll talk about some other stuff.

724
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Speaker 3: Hi, ladies.

725
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Speaker 8: Okay, I'm currently reading a new thriller. It's by Sherry

726
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 8: Lapina called she Didn't See It Coming. And one of

727
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 8: the characters mentions watching the Don't f With Cats documentary

728
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 8: and I literally flipped out. I was like, oh my god,

729
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 8: she's talking about Body. So I just want to say, Body,

730
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Speaker 8: you are in a book, the famous girl, more famous

731
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Speaker 8: than you already are.

732
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Speaker 3: Love you all.

733
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Speaker 5: Yay Simpsons, Yeah we have a Simpsons episode.

734
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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, I didn't know about this.

735
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Speaker 3: I'll send it to you. Yeah, yep, okay, it's about

736
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: these two obsessive Internet nerds and just read up you know,

737
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 3: of course, but yeah, there's no greater compliment. You know

738
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: that crazy Simpson's made after you when the producers, uh,

739
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: the producers told me about it, and I was like,

740
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: I thought I thought I was being punked. Actually, I

741
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: was like what, but yeah, there's a Simpson episode I'll

742
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: send to you guys. It's crazy though.

743
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: First of all, that book that I've seen, that book

744
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: I have not read. It was such a good title.

745
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: I thought, what's it called? I she had a coming.

746
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: I blacked out.

747
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 7: It was coming.

748
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: She didn't see it coming. She didn't see it coming

749
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: for some reason, I heard Cherry Peppini.

750
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 7: Oh no, you know what I.

751
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: Mean, Like I confused all the cases for sure saw

752
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: it coming.

753
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: Thank you for the talk aback and letting me know

754
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: I had no idea.

755
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 7: That's funny. I think we have time for another one.

756
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 3: Hey, let's do.

757
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 4: Hey, lady Stephanie from Ohio, I just wanted to let

758
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 4: you know that I spent the day.

759
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: Home yesterday sick, and I watched the entire.

760
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 4: Uh P Didy Reckoning documentary on Netflix, and I just

761
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 4: wanted to ask, did anyone else read all of the

762
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 4: subtitles in your head?

763
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 3: In Courtney's voice.

764
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 4: I'm just so used to it, and it just is

765
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 4: so much soothing and makes it so much more interesting.

766
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to see what y'all thought. Thanks by.

767
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: I hear everything in my head and narration. Honestly, I

768
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: hear it. I I feel like I Courtney's the muse.

769
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: He really is, you know, like I can hear her

770
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: in my head day in and day out.

771
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: Courtney is the person I compare myself to sometimes, like

772
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: when we you know, we have to record our promos

773
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: or whatever, I'll be like, Okay, you have to be

774
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: as good as Courtney. I have to figures.

775
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 7: I tried to say, let me channel my Courtney.

776
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 9: Energy, reckoning, ultimate goodness, no reckoning.

777
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: I think he saw it.

778
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: First of all, when we talk about the doc, it

779
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: is crazy that we can't talk about it, just talk

780
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: about it.

781
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: We pick a day when appropriate. I think I have to.

782
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 3: I have to.

783
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: We have to jump the shark here and we might

784
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: have to get to push our next true crime and hill.

785
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: How about when.

786
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 7: Day well, Jared's coming wins, maybe Thursday, and that way

787
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 7: anybody who's really Thursday works for me start their weekend.

788
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 3: Force feed it. It's just so interesting.

789
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 7: You know, you were speaking highly of it before, and I.

790
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, yeah, I had planned to watch again.

791
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 7: Could not stop, Like I got glued to it. It's

792
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 7: shot so well. It's you know what. Another thing I

793
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 7: love about it because we've been following this case from

794
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 7: the beginning and I heard the name KK, I heard

795
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 7: the name Capricorn. When you see them now, it's so different.

796
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 7: I'm like, Oh, that's what Capricorn looks like. Oh, that's

797
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 7: what KK looks like. It's it's funny to hear and

798
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 7: see them, just little things like, oh, wow, that's how

799
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 7: she would dress for parties. Like I don't know. I

800
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 7: found it interesting visually, and it's almost like characters we've

801
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 7: talked about forever and now I get to know them,

802
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 7: see them how they interact. I don't know. I could

803
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 7: not stop watching it, And every person I've told has

804
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 7: said they can't stop watching it either.

805
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: Capricorn Clark brings down the house in this episode, that

806
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,959
Speaker 2: last episode, and I can't believe we're not all talking

807
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: about Aubrey O day. It is one of the more

808
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: painful things. Yeah, oh, I just think you have to

809
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: watch it. I think it's handled really elegantly, and by

810
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: the way, even some of the controversial stuff I'm dying

811
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: to talk to Jared about to because he's getting laid

812
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: on pretty thick, with some real accusations coming.

813
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: To sidiomes his way.

814
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 2: I mean they squarely say a lot that he's been

815
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 2: a part of that was not on his list of charges.

816
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 3: Was up for racketeering. It's all else.

817
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to ruin it for anybody, but I

818
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: think it's really worth a discussion.

819
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll have it done. I will definitely, definitely promise

820
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: to have it done by Thursday, only if you feel

821
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: if not sooner. No, I listened so much, yay. I

822
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 3: lived on my couch for like four days and slept

823
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: the whole time. I went through like six bottles of juice.

824
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 3: I lived in this woodie. I had to wash it

825
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: because it was like filthy because I had lived in it.

826
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: I was like sweating because I was I had a finger,

827
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: You had a real I was really sick.

828
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, did you get your tie soup?

829
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, mild spice number three. I can't do

830
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: it higher otherwise I'm going to die. But I had

831
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 3: like six orders from postmates of tomm Yum feeling. It's

832
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: it's really I don't I'm only wearing one ear piece

833
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: tonight because it still hurts, but it was. It was

834
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 3: a pretty bad Earie like it affected me in ways.

835
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: I never thought like I was like freaking out. I

836
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I'd better go to listen.

837
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: I never go to the doctor. Ask India. It's like

838
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 3: it's getting me to the doctor. Is like, so if

839
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 3: I go to the doctor, I'm sick. You know what

840
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 3: I mean. I'm like, I had Death's door and then yeah,

841
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: I had one hundred and two point two fever.

842
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 5: That's not healthy, that's crazy, that's crazy.

843
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: That's ice bathory. No, no, for an adult to have

844
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: one hundred and two point five fever. For any one

845
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 3: hundred two point two, it's still that's very high. It's high.

846
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

847
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: Well I survived, and I definitely broke my fever. I

848
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 3: broke my fever late though, Sunday. Sunday, Honey, I'm so

849
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: glad you're okay. We were thinking about you. Boy.

850
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: Had I known, Ludia, I would have just been hanging

851
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: on the phone with you and put your straight this loose.

852
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 5: Listen, stick around because top of the hour we have

853
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 5: the Rebecca Park at the David, which uncovers an absolutely

854
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 5: chilling plan and the NBA scandal took a sharp turn

855
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 5: to crime tonight.

856
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

857
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Court,

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Speaker 2: New Armstrong and Body Move In. I can't believe the

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00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: first hour is already gone. So if you're just joining us, welcome,

860
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: We're so happy you're here. If you've missed any of

861
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Speaker 2: the show, do not worry for one single second because

862
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: you could always catch it right after. As a podcast,

863
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to be talking about this NBA

864
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: super scandal which has got me all kinds of worked up.

865
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: And also Rebecca Park.

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Speaker 2: You know, the young pregnant woman who was found dead

867
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Speaker 2: man oh Man. The details that are coming in from

868
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: her fateful night are pretty unimaginable. So we'll be breaking

869
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: that down as well. And again, if you want to

870
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Speaker 2: join the Conversation Live eight eight eight three one Crime,

871
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: we want to hear from you and also keep those

872
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: talkbacks coming. So Court, this NBA draft scandal, it's not

873
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 2: really the draft, that's not the scandal. But you know, again,

874
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: we had a major player in court today who claims

875
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: he is not guilty period the end. That's right, Miami

876
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: Heat guard Terry Rozier is who you're referring to, and

877
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 2: he indeed pleaded not guilty today. He's up on federal

878
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: charges of wire fraud and money laundering. And this all

879
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: has to do with an alleged insider sports betting scheme.

880
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: So the accused Rosier is accused of manipulating his performance

881
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: during a twenty twenty three NBA game to benefit illegal gambling.

882
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: And this falls under a much broader federal investigation that

883
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: involves more than thirty defendants. It includes Portland Trailblazers coach

884
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: Chauncey Billips and NBA player Damon Jones. And the scheme

885
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: allegedly involved sharing non public information about players availability and

886
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: game participation to place fraudulent bets between December twenty twenty

887
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: two in March twenty twenty four. So if you guys

888
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: are unfamiliar with how a lot of betting platforms work,

889
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: you're not necessarily just betting on.

890
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 3: Team A is going to win, team B is going

891
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: to lose.

892
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 5: It's you know, Tony on on Team A will get

893
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 5: so many points in the first quarter even or this

894
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 5: in the first half. So it's all these micro bets

895
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 5: that would be grossly influenced by, say, a player going

896
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 5: out early. So accused player Terry Rozier appeared in the

897
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 5: District Court of Eastern District of New York today for

898
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 5: formal arraignment and a pre trial hearing. Again, he pleaded

899
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 5: not guilty to everything. He was flanked by his attorney.

900
00:49:52,840 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 5: They declined to comment anything to reporters, and Rozi along

901
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 5: with NBA coach Chauncey Billups, have both been placed on

902
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 5: unpaid leave by the NBA, and Razier's salary is held

903
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 5: in escrow until the federal investigation concludes.

904
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 7: Which is that serious?

905
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: Imagine? I mean, these guys, they work so hard to

906
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: get into professional sports, like their whole life, right, They're

907
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 3: in elementary school, they're playing basketball, football, whatever, in junior

908
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 3: high and high school and college. Sometimes, like imagine all

909
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 3: this time just to get there, and then you do

910
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. It's insane to me.

911
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 2: No, it is better not be more widespread, because that's

912
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: the fear is that it's not just going to involve

913
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: simply the NBA. The fear is that this is going

914
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: to go for even heavy hitters larger than these particular players,

915
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: that are even bigger in the game, their names. I

916
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: won't even say out loud because I don't even want

917
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 2: the allegations being thrown their way. And that also's happening

918
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: in other sports potentially, that's devastating. To your point, how

919
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: about for the guy that's been working his tail off,

920
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: sacrificing everything, full scholarship, working their tail off, you know,

921
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: against all odds, who finally gets to the big leagues

922
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: and these clowns are taken bets And it seemed like

923
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: it's a pretty big operation because we had talked about

924
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: this once before. It has mob ties, you know, the

925
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: steaks are pretty darn hard. And are they getting all

926
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: tied up in this because they had debt? Was there

927
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: some sort of gambling debt that this player was potentially

928
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly allegedly trying to pay off, maybe got in

929
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: under their head on some of these high stakes gambling

930
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: ring things. And then suddenly you have Uncle Knuckles from

931
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: the mob in New York City like saying, listen up

932
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 2: to you, I don't care who you are, you need

933
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: to pay up or put out. And suddenly they're like, oh,

934
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: break my ankle, you know, like that is how at

935
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: least it happens.

936
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 3: In the movies, you know who wants uncle knuckles all

937
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 3: over you.

938
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 2: So it is scary stuff, and this is pretty major,

939
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:11,439
Speaker 2: it really is.

940
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 5: And the specifics in the indictment are or include that

941
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 5: player Terry Rozier informed his childhood friend, a guy named

942
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 5: de niro Laster, that he was quote going to prematurely

943
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 5: remove himself from the game in the first quarter due

944
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 5: to a supposed injury and not return to play further.

945
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 5: So at that point, the childhood friend de niro Laster

946
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 5: sold this information to co conspirators for betting purposes, and

947
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 5: this resulted in I think it was two hundred thousand

948
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 5: dollars going to the larger I'm not saying that one

949
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 5: to the players going to the larger betting platform.

950
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: And again it's always the childhood hanger on our friend.

951
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: I would never have the I have the best childhood friends,

952
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: but who have better judgment than I would, so they

953
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: would actually make sure that I kept it on the

954
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: straight and narrow. But this guy has this, this buddy,

955
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 2: you know that it is now all tangled up on it.

956
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: Chances are the buddies talking away to the Feds or

957
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: whoever's you know, knee deep in this operation, and yeah,

958
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: he's like loose lips sinking ships and I'm just so

959
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: curious where the tentacles of this go. Yeah, because you

960
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: know it's Terry rogierret listen Ice live in Miami, so

961
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: I know these are fighting words to say against the

962
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: Miami Heat player.

963
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: So is it just something he mentioned to his.

964
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 2: Buddy like, hey, buddy, I can't I'm not feeling well tonight.

965
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: I doubt I'll even make it through the first quarter

966
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: of the game. And the buddy interprets that as you know,

967
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: signal code, and then he triggers, you know, some said scheme.

968
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: Is that possible? It doesn't sound like that.

969
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 5: It does not know and you know childhood buddy de

970
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 5: niro Laster is also a co defendant. He as well

971
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 5: has pleaded not guilty to charges and was released on

972
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 5: fifty thousand dollars bond.

973
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: But no, it it certainly seems that there was.

974
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: And what about the coach. He also says he's not guilty, right,

975
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: So the coach that was brought in also, so everyone's

976
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: not guilty.

977
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 5: Settles that Ander is having is having his his salary

978
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 5: held in escrow. Coach billups he's losing his current season's pay,

979
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 5: which is around seven million dollars entirely.

980
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 3: While he suspended too.

981
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 2: Much money, Why are you doing anything out of line.

982
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 3: Seven million dollars?

983
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: Did you possibly more to do other than you just

984
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 2: do the straight and arrow and coach twenty four hours

985
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: a day and then spend time with your family and

986
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: do good things in the world.

987
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 3: Who has time for the gambling?

988
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 5: Well, with all these not guilty, I mean, I don't know,

989
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 5: maybe nobody, maybe no one, nobody apparently listen, this is

990
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 5: true crime tonight.

991
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: We are on iHeartRadio.

992
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 5: I'm Courtney Armstrong, so lucky to be here with my

993
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 5: buddy Body Movin and Stephanie Leidecker, and we've been talking

994
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 5: about this NBA gambling thing going on. If you went

995
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 5: a weigh in eight at eight three one crime And

996
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 5: now we're going to go to another story that Body

997
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 5: will fill us in on.

998
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 3: I just want to give a quick grigor warning for

999
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: this case. This case involves graphic violence, torture, harm to

1000
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 3: a pregnant woman, and the death of an unborn child.

1001
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: It also includes themes of drugs, betrayal, coercion, and extreme cruelty.

1002
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: Listener discretion is strongly advised. Especially for those sensitive to

1003
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 3: violence against women or any kind of pre natal harm

1004
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 3: this is.

1005
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 10: Or sensitive to mothers doing to their children. Yeah, that's

1006
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 10: a good point. Stuff like this is just so awful.

1007
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 10: So a probable cause affidavit related to the homicide of

1008
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 10: twenty two year old Rebecca Park has been released Tomorrow,

1009
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 10: December tenth. Both biological mother of Rebecca Park, she's our

1010
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 10: victim in this case. Her the mother's name is Courtney

1011
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 10: Bartholomew and her husband Brad have a probable cause hearing

1012
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 10: in Wexford County, Michigan at ten thirty am.

1013
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: Why you might ask, wow. The probable cause affidavit was

1014
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 3: released today and it outlines the investigation into the dead,

1015
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 3: appearance and the death of Rebecca Park. So Rebecca Park

1016
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 3: for those who aren't familiar, she was a thirty eight

1017
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 3: week pregnant woman and she was reported missing on November fourth,

1018
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Rebecca had been living with her fiance

1019
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 3: slash baby daddy, Richard Fowler, and was last known to

1020
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 3: be with her biological mother, Courtney Bartholomew, who reported that

1021
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 3: Rebecca left her home on the night of November third

1022
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 3: with an unknown individual in the black Sedan the victim.

1023
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: Rebecca's phone was found later near the biological mother's residence

1024
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: by the biological mother, Courtney and her husband, Bradley Bartholomew,

1025
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: and it was turned over to the fiance, Richard Fowler.

1026
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 3: Investigators reviewed all the phone records of social media activity

1027
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: location data, conducted interviews with everyone involved, and you know,

1028
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: basically they where do we start? They know the course

1029
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: of events. Where do we start?

1030
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: So the alleged story we now just heard, and there's

1031
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: a sister in this mix also, so just for clarity,

1032
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: we to simplify this. And Rebecca Park is our victim,

1033
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: only twenty two years old. She was very pregnant at

1034
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 2: the time, very pregnant, and we've been he was still

1035
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: in like two days, yeah, and it was unclear where

1036
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: where the whereabouts, if the baby were and if the

1037
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: baby was alive.

1038
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: She is a mother and a stepfather. Let's just call

1039
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 3: it that biological because she was.

1040
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: A biological correct, a biological mother who she was not

1041
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: really raised by, no, who sounds like a real nut,

1042
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: let's also start there. And then has a stepfather who's

1043
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: a sex offender registered, I might add. And then she

1044
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: has a baby daddy who they're engaged.

1045
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 3: Ish and that.

1046
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: Guy also seems a little troublesome, who because he was

1047
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: also having a relationship with Mom at one point, biological.

1048
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: Mom right back in the day, back in the day.

1049
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: And then they have a sister, Rebecca has a sister, Kimberly,

1050
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: who's also been dragged into this and seems to have

1051
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: also been hiding evidence.

1052
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: Right, let's just go.

1053
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: So what we now know to be the course of

1054
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: events based on this after David, which is horrifying.

1055
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: It truly is it truly is horrifying, and it's hard

1056
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 3: to get through. So the biological mother, Courtney and the

1057
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: stepfather Bradney Bradney Bradley, in the interviews, they showed inconsistent accounts.

1058
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 3: They blamed each other. You know, this affidavit tells us

1059
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 3: about how they were blaming each other and I didn't

1060
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: do this, but he did, and he didn't do it

1061
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 3: but I. You know, it went back and forth and

1062
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 3: all these interviews, investigators learned that the biological mother, Courtney,

1063
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 3: had told her sister, her sister, that she had recently

1064
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 3: given birth to a baby who died, a claim for

1065
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 3: which no records existed. Remember I talked about she had

1066
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: posted the sonogram on TikTok and was telling people that

1067
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: she had this baby and the nick you who died. Well,

1068
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: she told her sister this, So she has like this

1069
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: history that she's kind of like setting up that she

1070
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: has a baby, but she doesn't, Okay, And she was

1071
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 3: not even pregnant. No, she no, not even pregnant, not

1072
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,959
Speaker 3: even pregnant. Search, So just keep that in mind. Though

1073
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 3: she had told her sister that she had a baby

1074
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: that was a nicke youu, sirch Warrants revealed phone data

1075
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 3: showing the victim, Rebecca, arrived at her mom, Courtney's home

1076
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: around seven sixteen on November three pm, and that both

1077
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: stepdad Brad and the biological mother, Courtney's mobile devices were

1078
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 3: active in areas linked to the recovery of the victim,

1079
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: Rebecca's phone and later the area where her body was found.

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Speaker 3: So the cell phones were placing them together at the

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01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 3: scene where her body was found. Okay, So you know,

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Speaker 3: they bring him in for questioning because they're finding all this, right,

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01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: they bring him in for questioning, and as he's interviews continued, Courtney,

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01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 3: the biological mother, and the stepdad Brad each accused the

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01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 3: other of being responsible brad First, Brad is a stepfather.

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01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 3: He first claimed he was uninvolved, and he later alleged

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01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 3: the biological mom Courtney was responsible, and eventually admitted he

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01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 3: witnessed Courtney cutting the baby from the victim, Rebecca, while

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01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 3: she was alive. While she was alive, he reported helping

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01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 3: dispose of the infants remains in a cooler, placed inks,

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01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: placed in the garbage bags, and then put it in

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01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 3: a residential crash receptacle, as well as helping discard the night.

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01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 3: He also confirmed cleaning blood from the Ford F one

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01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 3: fifty truck. The biological mother Courtney's statements changed multiple times.

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01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 3: She first denied involvement, then requested immunity and witnessed protection,

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01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 3: and eventually gave conflicting explanations that alternated between blaming Bradley

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01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 3: and partially implicating herself. At various points, she stated brad

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01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 3: the stepdad, acted alone, stating she tried to save the baby,

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01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 3: admitting cutting the baby out and acknowledging knowledge of the

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01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 3: disposal of the cooler, knife, and other items. She also

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01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 3: later admitted the story about the black Sidan was fabricated.

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Speaker 3: Remember she said she got into a blackcident and said, mom,

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01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 3: this is something I have to do now.

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Speaker 2: When she missed there or she's also trying to throw

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01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 2: her own other daughter of the bus, right, so she

1106
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: takes the fall and cuckoo mom who had also been

1107
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: search googling looking for ways and.

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01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 3: Sort of brad the stepdad.

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01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 2: They were doing their own little Google searches about how

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Speaker 2: to remove a body, how to do a sea sex sarium?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine these two maniacs are doing a sea

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Speaker 2: section on their living twenty two year old daughter.

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Speaker 3: Rebecca. Now, we're going to continue moments. There's a lot

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Speaker 3: more to get into, so stay with us. We're going

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Speaker 3: to continue on. This is true crime Tonight. We're talking

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01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 3: true crime all the time. And again, don't forget our

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Speaker 3: trigger warning and I will repeat it at the top

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Speaker 3: of the next segment. Tick around true crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: Back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: crime all the time. Staff here with Courtney and Body,

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01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: and we're hearing a very difficult story. Rebecca Park. We've

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01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: been following this case very closely. New developments today, I'm

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01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 2: out of basically this document that essentially gives the timeline too.

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01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: How sweet, Rebecca Park pregnant twenty two years old, about

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01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: to give birth in mere days.

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01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 3: Anyone who's given birth, you know what those final days

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Speaker 3: are like.

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Speaker 2: It's all you can think about is nesting and creating

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01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: a home for your baby. And yet her home, her

1131
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: biological mother and her stepfather couldn't be anything further from that.

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01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: They basically lure her to the house and as we

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01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 2: just heard from you body, they get in his f

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01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: one fifty truck, a stepdad's truck, and then you know,

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01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 2: only horrifying things happen from there.

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Speaker 3: I just want to give a quick trigger warning. This

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01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 3: case involves graphic violence, port your harm to a pregnant woman,

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 3: and the death of an unborn child. Listener, discretion is

1139
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 3: strongly advised, especially for those sens of the violence against

1140
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 3: women or prenatal harm. So again, this eighteen page probable

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01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 3: cause Avid David was released today and we learned a

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01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 3: lot of details. And I had been going over the

1143
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 3: inconsistent statements between the biological mother, Courtney, and the stepdad,

1144
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 3: Brad their statements. They're both in custody right now. They're

1145
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 3: they're being charged, of course, with the murder of Rebecca Park,

1146
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 3: Courtney's daughter. Oh my goodness, not our Courtney, by the way,

1147
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: Armstrong's name and the associated right. So, Kimberly, Kimberly is

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01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 3: Rebecca's sister, okay, and Rebecca's uh. Kimberly had this this bag,

1149
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 3: the backpack, and in the backpack was a bunch of

1150
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 3: stuff obviously it's back and it had an ID or

1151
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 3: a debit card belonging to like her boyfriend. Okay, Well,

1152
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 3: Courtney and Brad took this card that was in Kimberly's

1153
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 3: backpack and placed it at the scene to try to

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01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 3: set up Kimberly her own daughter.

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 5: Wow, can you believe that, I'd be shocked if it

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01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 5: weren't becoming fairly clear what she did to her either

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01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 5: daughter victim Rebecca Mark.

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01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 3: Right, right. So they also took a knife from the

1159
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 3: sister's backpack and placed it at the scene. The stepdad

1160
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 3: told investigators that the sister had taken Rebecca down a

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01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 3: two track and believed Rebecca was dead. He claimed the

1162
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 3: sister needed to get Rebecca out of the picture. I mean,

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01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 3: they're just trying to set up, you know, Kimberly in

1164
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: this situation. The sister of the biological mother, Courtney, said

1165
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 3: that the sister had posted online accusing the biological mom

1166
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 3: and the stepdad, and in response, the stepdad, Brad allegedly

1167
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 3: said Kimberly needed to be quote unquote taken down to

1168
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 3: retaliate or redirect suspicion. Courtney and Brad used Kimberly's belongings

1169
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 3: to plant over the biological mother. Courtney told investigators that

1170
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 3: Kimberly the sister, sent her coordinates of Rebecca's phone. Right,

1171
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: so Courtney says, she gets these these coordinates from from

1172
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 3: her sister, and you know, basically it's all made up.

1173
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 3: The goal was to suggest that the sister knew where

1174
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: the phone was, right, implying involvement, but of course Kimberly

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01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 3: didn't have anything to do with it. So they look

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01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 3: at all the phone records, the travel routes, all the interviews,

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01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 3: all the inconsistent statements, all the physical evidence, and it

1178
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 3: led to detectives to conclude that both the biological mother

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01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 3: Courtney and her husband Brad were involved in the events

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01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 3: leading to Rebecca's death. Their accounts varied, but ultimately both

1181
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 3: provided details pleasing themselves at the scene, acknowledged actions taken

1182
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 3: after Rebecca's death, and offering information about efforts to dispose

1183
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 3: of evidence, and of course, you know the sweet baby.

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01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 3: The investigation is established probable cause to charge both with

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01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 3: multiple offenses, including premeditated homicide, felony, murder, torture, conspiracy, assault

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01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 3: of a pregnant individual causing miscarriage or still birth, unlawful imprisonment,

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01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 3: and removing a body without a medical examiner authorization. Now,

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01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 3: the autopsy of Rebecca revealed six sharp force wounds to

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01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 3: her back, arms, neck, and face. One wound penetrated her

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01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 3: lung and her abdomen of course, was cut open, and

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01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 3: the stomach contained a blue green, chalky residue.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what that is. It's that residence.

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01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 3: Maybe we can just a little queasy. It's getting details.

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01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, jump ahead, by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, if you're just joining us, we're talking about Rebecca Park,

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01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: the young twenty two year old pregnant woman who appears

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01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 2: to have been murdered allegedly by her own mother, biological mother,

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Speaker 2: and stepfather.

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Speaker 3: Can we get to the why? Yeah, so harrowing. What

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01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 3: they think is that the biological mother, Courtney revealed that

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01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 3: a month prior, Brad had researched c section online and

1202
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 3: stated he was going to cut the baby out of

1203
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 3: Rebecca right in front of Richard. Again, Richard is the

1204
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 3: fiance and baby daddy of the victim, Rebecca, because Richard

1205
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:28,799
Speaker 3: Fowler previously reported Brad for a sex offender registry violation

1206
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 3: the previous year. So again they're all sex offenders. Okay,

1207
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: they're all sex offenders and the baby daddy, Richard and

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01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 3: Brad the stepdad had beef, okay, and get revenge. To

1209
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 3: get revenge on Richard the baby daddy. He was going

1210
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 3: to basically cut the baby out of Rebecca right in

1211
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 3: front of Richard, is what they said.

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01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 2: But somehow Richard got left out of this plan. Here

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01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 2: comes Rebecca going no mom and going to go see

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01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 2: her biological mother. She comes rolling in Stay's stepdad and

1215
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 2: Stepdad's like, hey, hop in the truck.

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01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 3: They take her to this you know, desolate place.

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01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: They perform the most hideous acts on a young woman

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01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: that a person could possibly do, then leave her for

1219
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 2: dead and then try to pin it on Kimberly, the

1220
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: other sister.

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01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 3: I really think the motive is probably revenge on Richard

1222
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 3: from Bradley's perspective, but I really think the biological mother, Courtney,

1223
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 3: wanted that baby and that she had set up that

1224
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 3: TikTok and you know, I was pregnant my babies and

1225
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 3: that Nick you and all this stuff in order to

1226
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 3: have an excuses why she had this baby, because she

1227
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 3: really did.

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Speaker 7: Before she was showing like ultrasound photos. Right, It's like

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01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 7: she seems a little obsessive, right, the child in a

1230
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 7: weird way.

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01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 3: In a very weird way. She was like obsessed with

1232
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 3: being pregnant. And I remember on TikTok Kimberly had said

1233
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 3: that Courtney was like Barren, you know, and Courtney freaked out.

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01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 3: I'm not you know she anyway, I really they're all liars.

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Speaker 3: So we'll find out, you know, soon tomorrow. They have

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01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 3: a probable cause hearing, so well maybe we'll learn some

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01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 3: more tomorrow. Again, that's a ten thirty Eastern Standard time. Okay,

1238
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 3: onto another case, Courtney, what do you have? Well?

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01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 5: Anna Kepner, whose case we've been following for quite a bit.

1240
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 5: She's the eighteen year old Florida teen who very sadly

1241
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 5: was found dead under a bed in the cabin on

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01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 5: a carnival cruise back on November seventh of this year.

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01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,839
Speaker 3: All of this happened during a family vacation.

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 5: Now, the victim of Anna Kaepner's death has been ruled

1245
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 5: a homicide due to what's called mechanical exphyxiation. It is

1246
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,440
Speaker 5: a type of strangulation. This has prompted an FBI investigation.

1247
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 5: Now Anna Kepner's sixteen year old step brother, he remains

1248
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 5: a federal suspect, however, he has not been charged now.

1249
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 5: While this is going on, separately, custody hearings are continuing

1250
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 5: amid really heightened family tensions. So on the cruise ship

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01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:14,919
Speaker 5: with the victim, Anna Kepner, was her mother and her sibling,

1252
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 5: and her stepmother and her step siblings, including her sixteen

1253
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 5: year old stepbrother, who again is a suspect, though he

1254
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 5: has not been charged. Now Friday of last week, a

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01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 5: Florida judge confirmed in court that the sixteen year old

1256
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 5: is again officially a suspect, and this has been after

1257
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 5: he's been a person of interest for quite a bit,

1258
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 5: so this is changing to a suspect is a change.

1259
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 5: The suspect is currently living with relatives in a secure

1260
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 5: and undisclosed location that apparently is known only to his

1261
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 5: parents in law enforcement, and he can only be removed

1262
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 5: from this place with consent from both parents. Now Anna,

1263
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 5: Anna's father and stepmother reportedly sent the suspect sixteen year

1264
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 5: old stepbrother to live with relatives in order to remove

1265
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 5: any danger to any of the other children in the home.

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01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 3: Of course, Oh my gosh, yes, obviously, yeah, I.

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01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 5: Would do right, because there's multiple children blended from both sides, right,

1268
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 5: and we're hearing from We're hearing from Anna's biological father

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01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 5: for what I believe is the first time.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right, right, Yeah, And.

1271
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Speaker 5: There's he has a lot to say about Anna's stepmother,

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01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:55,799
Speaker 5: chantal who suggests, who suggests charges me eventually be filed?

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01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 3: What's that? What is he saying? So what he's saying?

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01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 3: Excuse me? I just lost my mind with all these

1275
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 3: step parents. Yeah, I know, I can jump in.

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01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 2: So just Anna has two parents, right, One of them

1277
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: is her biological father who remarried the stepmother. That's who's

1278
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 2: on the cruise. Also on that cruise is biological dad's grandparents,

1279
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 2: you know, his parents, So Anna's grandparents. Then there is

1280
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: the step son and the step children.

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01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 3: Moving on. Step son, the accused sixteen years.

1282
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 2: Old, has a biological parent of their own. He is

1283
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,799
Speaker 2: a biological father who has also remarried this young man's

1284
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 2: stepmother and this so you follow. So Anna is dead

1285
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: and now the accused is her stepbrother stepbrother and not

1286
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: the accused.

1287
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,759
Speaker 3: He's a suspect because he's underage. He's sixteen years old.

1288
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 2: This suspect has a biological father and a stepmother who

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Speaker 2: are now entering the conversation for the first.

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Speaker 3: Time, and they're in this custody battle over them exactly.

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Speaker 2: And what we're hearing is that biological dad of accused

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Speaker 2: step son has been alienated from his children and his

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Speaker 2: son specifically, And we've also heard that from the other

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Speaker 2: side because we know Anna, the victims biological mother not

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Speaker 2: on the cruise, was also allegedly not invited to the

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Speaker 2: wake our funeral and she had to come in disguise.

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Speaker 2: So there's some alienating happening in this co parenting agreement

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Speaker 2: on all sides, which is really confusing, right, So it's

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Speaker 2: adding another layer here. So this young sixteen year old

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Speaker 2: who's now a suspect in his stepsister's murder, I guess

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Speaker 2: we can just call it that aboard this cruise ship,

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Speaker 2: given that he was the last person seen with her

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Speaker 2: in that room, and there's been many reports.

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Speaker 3: To suggest he's the guy.

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Speaker 2: Dad is stepping in to say, look, I haven't been

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Speaker 2: able to see my or talked to my son in

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Speaker 2: forever because everyone's holding him hostage and it's clearly having

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Speaker 2: an effect on him. I'm reading that he's a suspect

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Speaker 2: and a murder. At this point, I need some access

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Speaker 2: to my son.

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Speaker 5: That's yes, exactly. Thank you very much for writing that.

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Speaker 5: There's so many players, no pun intended.

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Speaker 3: I did not know. Yeah, there's just a lot of players.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to momo.

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Speaker 5: But this biological dad of the suspect, his name is

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Speaker 5: Thomas Hudson. As soon as the news broke of this tragedy,

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Speaker 5: he filed emergency custody motions and he claims that his

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Speaker 5: ex wife, Chantelle, the stepmom who was on board, have

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Speaker 5: put their son's future in jeopardy. He also claims that

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Speaker 5: because he has had no impact into his son's life,

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Speaker 5: that it's totally impacted this sixteen year old who.

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Speaker 3: Is now a suspect.

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Speaker 5: Also, the father claims that the sixteen year old son

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Speaker 5: was taken on this cruise without his knowledge.

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Speaker 3: Oh so, not only is he alienated from his son's life,

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Speaker 3: he's saying that the alienation from my son's life is

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Speaker 3: causing problems for him. And I wasn't even informed they

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Speaker 3: were taking him on this cruise and out of the

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Speaker 3: country in international waters crowd, which it's a pretty foul ball. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're not supposed to do those kinds of things, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, even in the most contentious scenarios, you would hope

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Speaker 2: that all bets are off when it comes to travel

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Speaker 2: in general safety and just having general access to your child.

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Speaker 3: Not everybody wants access, but if they do, you know, sure, right.

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Speaker 5: And in terms of the relationship between the victim, Anna

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Speaker 5: Kepner and her you know, sixteen year old step brother,

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Speaker 5: the suspect, it depends on who you listen to, because

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Speaker 5: stepmom describes the tea's relationship and this is in court

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01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 5: as the closest of friends and like three amigos. Anna

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Speaker 5: Kapner's grandparents who are on the cruise described the pair

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Speaker 5: as two peas in a pod, so that they were

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Speaker 5: very close. So you know, from their accounts, sounds lovely

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Speaker 5: and close. A dissenting voice is the victim, Anna Kapner's

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01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 5: ex boyfriend.

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Speaker 3: But I take this with a mountain of salt.

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Speaker 5: But he has been in the press speaking with reporters,

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Speaker 5: including outside of the victim's memorial service, that she didn't

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Speaker 5: enjoy spending time with her stepbrother and had some unsavory

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01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 5: things to say. But again, this was not in court,

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Speaker 5: and this was not on any kind of her record.

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Speaker 7: Right, So it's and this is an ex boyfriend, you said,

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01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 7: that's right. Yeah, So okay, I see why you take

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Speaker 7: it with it.

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Speaker 3: He made it seem like it was a creepy kind

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Speaker 3: of situation. I mean, again, to Courtney's point, it wasn't

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Speaker 3: in court. It's you know, so to you with the

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01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 3: mountain of salt, right. Wow.

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Speaker 5: So the next court date will be coming up on

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Speaker 5: the seventeenth of this month, and at that point, the

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Speaker 5: suspect's father, Thomas Hudson, he is expected at a contempt

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Speaker 5: hearing after filing a motion alleging the permission of taking

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Speaker 5: the children out of the country on a cruise.

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Speaker 3: Is going to be big. Oh yeah, wow, that's something. Well,

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Speaker 3: stick around, We've got more to dig into. We've got

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01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 3: a few more talkbacks to get into, and maybe we'll

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Speaker 3: have a little gossip, sessh. Stick around touring.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, Welcome back to True Crime Tonight. On iHeartRadio. We're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong, Body move in, and of course the

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Speaker 2: gentleman in the control room. We're having a pretty wild

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Speaker 2: debate about how gruesome is too gruesome, And by the way,

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Speaker 2: please let us know what you think, because some of

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01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 2: these cases, you get into it and you start talking

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01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 2: about them and you realize, wow, this is a lot

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01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: to take in right now. And sometimes they're back to

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01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,839
Speaker 2: back which might be hard to follow, and then suddenly

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Speaker 2: you feel queasy and there's twenty six people involves like

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Speaker 2: thirty thousand family members that you're supposed to track. So

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Speaker 2: we do really try to keep that simplified. But you know,

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01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 2: if we're not doing that, will you let us know,

1381
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 2: or if it's just too gross at times, let us

1382
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 2: know and we will listen and definitely want your feedback.

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01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 2: It's also important stuff to talk about, so tell us

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Speaker 2: what the line is.

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Speaker 3: In fact, let's go to a talk back right now.

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Speaker 11: Hey, my name is Ryan, I'm from Evansville, Indiana. I'm

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Speaker 11: just listening to you guys talking about the metadata and

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Speaker 11: I've got a funny story. My former post is Indian

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01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,759
Speaker 11: and work to go to India for his sister's wedding,

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Speaker 11: and I wound up having to work the entire time.

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Speaker 11: And they he was supposed to come back, we got

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Speaker 11: a phone call, Hey, I can't come back. My mom

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01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 11: and dad were in a horrible bus accident and they're

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Speaker 11: in the hospital. And I was like, oh, wow, that's horrible.

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01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 11: It's too bad. That's so bad. So do whatever you

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01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 11: gotta do. Take care of it. I'll cover it. I'll

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01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 11: cover your ships. Don't worry about it. I wound up

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Speaker 11: working for like three four weeks straight while he's in

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01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 11: India taking care of his mom and dad. Well, he

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01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:37,719
Speaker 11: comes back and he asked me to download his pictures

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01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 11: from his phone to the office computer and then email

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01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 11: them to him. So I'm like, okay, no problem, I'll

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01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 11: hop you up. So I'm doing it, and I click

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01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 11: on this picture of his mom and dad. I equipped it,

1405
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 11: just checked it, and I said, date came up on

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01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 11: it and they were sitting around the fire, just like

1407
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 11: dancing and drinking and able to having a good time.

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01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 11: But the fire the picture was four days after he

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01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 11: said they had been in this horrific bus accident on

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01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 11: the wild streets of India wherever, and uh yeah, so

1411
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 11: he got a busted is a and he no longer

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01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 11: worked there. We all had to work like four weeks straight,

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01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 11: a month straight with no day off while he's out

1414
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 11: parting in India with his family. But hey, I love

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01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 11: the show, thank you.

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01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 3: Right, and such a good juicy story. And Ryan, you

1417
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 3: must have been like suspicious, why did you write click

1418
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 3: on that photo? You must have known, like he must

1419
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 3: have been feeling. That's exactly what Menadita does. Though, Listen,

1420
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 3: it never lies and people always forget about it. Like

1421
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 3: just as Ryan kind of described by.

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01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 2: The way, you cannot kill off loved ones, no fire,

1423
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 2: no buses, to tend to be sick, because you'll get

1424
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 2: if for me at least, because I've done it.

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01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 3: You call it. I'm very sick, not here, of course,

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01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 3: but in an earlier dum or day.

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01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 2: And you know, and I guess guess what happens? You

1428
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 2: get sick two weeks later and nobody else so at it.

1429
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 3: So always you know how many times does that happen?

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01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I literally cannot do it because I'm like,

1431
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 2: don't say it, even tell everybody that we work with,

1432
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 2: don't you don't have to lie. Just tell us what

1433
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 2: you need. You can have a personal day. You just

1434
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 2: can't make it today, like you can. Actually, just don't

1435
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 2: kill anybody in your stories, because I feel like it's

1436
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 2: we have karma.

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01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 3: And it's incredibly bad. Ryan, if you're listening, I would

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01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 3: like more details, like I know, I mean I would

1439
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 3: really I would love to know how you explained it

1440
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 3: to your boss's boss, Like how did you explain it?

1441
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 3: Did you show them what the metadata was, like did

1442
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 3: they understand I need the tea, send us a DM

1443
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 3: or something I need to But yeah, that talk about

1444
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 3: reaping what you sew.

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01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you give your parents a disfiguring

1446
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 5: bus accident and there you go, you're out a job one.

1447
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 3: That you are out. What do you feel the guilty it?

1448
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 11: For me?

1449
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you feel bad if you knew your crew had

1450
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: to be working around the clock and you were just

1451
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 2: straight up lying about being in the hospital.

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01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 3: That's terrible. That's terrible.

1453
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's not good.

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01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 2: But we've all all into work. We've all done it.

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01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 2: Everybody listening, I know we've all done it. God knows

1456
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 2: I have back in the day. But again, you learn

1457
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 2: the hard way as all lessons in this life.

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01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 7: Right, but at least for that, I would never blame

1459
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 7: it on another person. I would never say a family

1460
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 7: member of someone is ill like I would. I would

1461
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 7: go with like a pet that doesn't exist before that,

1462
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 7: like oh, fidoh got hit by the bus. I don't

1463
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 7: own a dog. But one thing I would say a family.

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Speaker 3: Member, one thing I would used to do, and I

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Speaker 3: would start.

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Speaker 5: So in TV it's a lot of freelance work, so

1467
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 5: you start jobs and jobs go.

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01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 3: They come up and down all the time.

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Speaker 5: So when I would start a new job and I

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Speaker 5: knew that March eighteenth would be sometime I would be working,

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Speaker 5: I'd say, oh, you know, I have a pre scheduled

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Speaker 5: doctor's appointment on March eighteenth.

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Speaker 3: Who knows why.

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Speaker 7: March March eighteenth.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I should know the answer. Day after

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Speaker 3: St Patrick's Day. It's the day after Patrick's Day. I

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Speaker 3: would just say, hey, look, you're starting your job.

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Speaker 2: And even we probably had this conversation at some point,

1479
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 2: because it is true. It's a national holiday in Courtney

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01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 2: on Strong's World, and I just say listen. I don't

1481
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 2: ask for a lot. But the day after Saint Patty's

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01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: I party my brains.

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Speaker 3: Out and I'm not going to be much good.

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Speaker 2: I want to take that as a personal day, and

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01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying it now in advance. I would respect that

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01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 2: I fives stories.

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01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this is many moons ago when I was

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Speaker 5: still capable of being out and partying.

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Speaker 3: My face, I have one drink and I'm like dancing

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01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 3: on the tables, like you know, I can't do it anymore.

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01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 3: But I would respect that.

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01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, and I would want it to be real,

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Speaker 2: like I would expect some metadata.

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Speaker 3: Dancing on tables came back with no voice.

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Speaker 5: Imagine if I'd made up some for cock to whatever

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01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 5: instead of saying I'm going to a party, I'm not

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Speaker 5: going to be on the show.

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Speaker 7: That's funny. But well, I'm glad that situation was resolved

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01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 7: with the boss getting which was due and deserved. Do

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Speaker 7: you want to go to another talk pack that brings

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Speaker 7: up tonight?

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Speaker 12: Hi? True Crime to Night Molly. Here, I'm listening to

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01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 12: the episode about all of your Christmas trees, and y'all

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01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 12: are breaking my heart with the artificial tree. We have

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01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 12: a Christmas tree farm in Pennsylvania, so I understand why

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01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 12: people do artificial but you're killing me here killing me.

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01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 12: There's nothing like a real tree. I agree, support your

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01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 12: local farmers, and there's actually a lot of environmental benefits

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01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 12: to a real tree versus artificial. I will bore everyone.

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01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 12: I just wanted to say, breaking the heart, Merry Christmas,

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01:25:58,040 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 12: Happy holidays to everyone.

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Speaker 9: One.

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01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 12: Let's all be married in these crazy times. Take care.

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01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 3: She's right, she's right. I love this message.

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01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 2: By the way, I two artificial trees under my belt.

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01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 2: I can say this one's officially rooted at me and

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01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,839
Speaker 2: I love it. And you know what, yesterday I noticed

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01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 2: just around the corner as I was doing drop off

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01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 2: that there was this local tree and the people were

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01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 2: coming out the trees, like, you know, put on the

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01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 2: car single So I'm like in a new town. I'm like, oh,

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01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 2: getting the tree off the car and then putting it up.

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01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 2: It just seems like the beginning of a really bad movie.

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01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 3: But maybe not. And maybe I had to.

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01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 2: Just go smaller because it was wonder smell of a

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01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 2: real tree.

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01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 3: This is a dumb question. I have a dumb question.

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01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 3: I wonder if you can buy a real tree, but

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01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 3: just like the top of it, like maybe the top

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01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 3: foot of it.

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01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,839
Speaker 2: I don't understand why Because it's just easier to manage

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01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 2: and getting it in tiny and I can put it

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01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 2: on my car, you know.

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01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 5: Like that's not a dumb question, and you can well

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01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 5: you know, listen, I can't speak from whether it's just

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01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 5: the top of it or wicked small trees, but no,

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01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 5: because I have in my day purchased real small trees

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01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 5: that fit inside my like a like a like a

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01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 5: one foot like.

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01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 3: You know, like this big one.

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01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 6: But Mollie, Mollie, you have picked my heart out and

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01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 6: you are so and it's such a really good point,

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01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 6: and I'm going to give you my promise that I'm

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01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 6: going to get a live tree from that place that

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01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 6: I saw this morning.

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01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just hit so true. We don't think about that, right,

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01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 3: We think.

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01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 2: About the convenience, the easy, the instant access.

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01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 3: Oh it showed up at my house. I didn't even

1550
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 3: have to go to Target to get anywhere.

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01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 2: Right, So we don't really think about the this is

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01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 2: all your your this is your big moment.

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01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 3: You're selling the trees time and then here we are

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01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 3: saying the beautiful Pennsylvania Christmas farm tree list. Okay, I'm

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01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 3: gonna give you a picture. I promise I'm going to

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01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 3: give my word on this one.

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01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 2: There is a live tree in my future room for

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01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 2: the more trees, the better this year I am.

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01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 3: I am claiming Merry high Water.

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01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 7: I agree with you, and I think I'm also gonna

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01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 7: I wasn't gonna get one, but now because of Molly,

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01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 7: I am going to get.

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01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 3: I can you know what I can envision Taha's tree

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01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 3: being super elegant. It's gonna be all like Golden Band tree, right,

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01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 3: it's all.

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01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 7: I like that uniform. I think it would be beautiful.

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01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:59,879
Speaker 7: But no, to Molly's point, a real tree keeps their business,

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01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 7: so don't worry.

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01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 3: But it smells good. It smell so good.

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01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 7: It helps the scent, it helps the environment. I think

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01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 7: in some ways too, So I think it's a win.

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01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,759
Speaker 3: Unless you're mean it's gonna smell like pine and urine

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01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 3: because Yogi's gonna pee. But if I got a small one,

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01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 3: like a one and a half footer table, yet, we

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01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 3: got your back on this one. And you're so right.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, if you're one of those people

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01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 2: and I've been there, I've been there many times, I

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01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 2: might add where you're like, I don't know the tree thing.

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01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 2: It seems like such a mess and what a hassle

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01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: and putting up it's just me or I'm in an

1581
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 2: apartment or or or or or I'm just straight up

1582
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 2: not feeling the holidays this year. Frankly, I can't get

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01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 2: out of the bed, let alone think about getting a

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01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 2: damn tree and decorating that tree.

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01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 3: It actually can seem.

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01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 2: Very overwhelming and sad. And I hear you, but this

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01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 2: is not the time. This is the year. Everybody needs

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01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 2: to get out of the bed and let's get a tree,

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01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 2: even if it's a little, tiny, tiny little one. Ideally,

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01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 2: according to Molly, we should get a live one, and

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01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 2: I support that, but like, there is something to not

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01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 2: cheating yourself.

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01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 3: To a little cheeriness.

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01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 2: We're so easy to We're like the last ones we

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01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 2: think about is ourselves. You would love it if you

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01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 2: could blink your eyes and it was suddenly there. It

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01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 2: just seems like a huge hassle, right, So let's all

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01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 2: pretend we're going to Molly's farm in Pennsylvania and bring

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01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 2: it in the cheer and it's also take out your cocoa,

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01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 2: a couple of stomping the boots with the snow out.

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01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 7: Our entire team to get together and do something like that. Maybe, yes, something.

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01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 3: Or something. Hotsider is my favorite. You could use some

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01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 3: hotsider right now? That would you? I would kill No,

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01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 3: I wouldn't literally kill would I would really love some hotslider.

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01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 3: It's my favorite in the whole world old and I

1606
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 3: grew up in Michigan and there's cider mills, like very

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01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 3: famously there, And oh, can't we get that at Starbucks? No,

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01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 3: they don't have that. They don't. I don't think.

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01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 7: Oh did you do your lemon ball medicine ball?

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01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah I did. I did, but it didn't really help

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01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 3: because it wasn't like a cold I didn't have.

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01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 7: For those who don't know, Starbucks hasn't. I think it's

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01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 7: an off menu thing. If you're sick, you asked for

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01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 7: a medicine ball.

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01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 3: And it's peach, it's peach t it's mint tea hot lemonade,

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01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 3: and I think, honey, it's so delicious and it's so good.

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01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 3: You just asked for a medicine ball. They hate making them,

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01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 3: but they do make them. I love how the tips

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01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 3: and they have.

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01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 2: Right now.

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01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 5: I'm not annoyed like you have, like a skeptical and

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01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:53,799
Speaker 5: skeptical of the medicine ball from Starbucks.

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01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 3: Yes, I am really, I like.

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01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 2: You're really the antill I can't imagine.

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01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 7: Ye. Yeah, I mean I'm to your point.

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01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 3: Holistic.

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01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, the holistic properties of the Starbucks.

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01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 7: I just think it.

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01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 3: Makes you feel better. I don't think it's like it

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01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 3: just makes you feel. It tastes good and taste.

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01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 7: It adds a lot of calories. But you know when

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01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 7: you're sick. That's when I'm sick. I eat whatever I want.

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01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 3: That's one I'm telling you. One time I was I

1634
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 3: was down, I had like I was down bad. Okay,

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01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 3: it was like two years ago. I had like six

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01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 3: medicine balls in four days. I was cured, cured.

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01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 2: Wow, point right here A love for you, Courtney. So

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01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 2: can we just do some fast predictions? What do we

1639
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 2: think is going to happen in the Brian Walsh a guilty,

1640
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 2: wife killer, guilty. This can happen any day, right, So

1641
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 2: we're we're probably weak out, so we'll be following it

1642
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 2: every day at this point. But you think he'll be

1643
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 2: found guilty of murder and this guy's walking in three years?

1644
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 7: No, okay, No, I don't believe it's going to be

1645
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 7: a member.

1646
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 3: He couldn't even check out without assistance on every single

1647
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:16,879
Speaker 3: item he scanned. There's no way he's getting away with murder.

1648
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 3: No way if he's if he gets away with this,

1649
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 3: it's not moving, it's it's it's you know she died now, well.

1650
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 2: No, it would, but I know, but that's what would

1651
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 2: be this, that's the claim he's making. But I think

1652
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:34,759
Speaker 2: the judge and hopefully the jurors will see past.

1653
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 3: They will, I assume I think they will. And then

1654
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 3: what's going to happen with Luigi?

1655
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:39,640
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1656
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 3: Luigi.

1657
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 7: That one's tougher for me to predict.

1658
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 3: I think I think the judge is going to going

1659
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 3: to find that the cops had probable cause, and that.

1660
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 2: Mostly because even if the cops held off on looking

1661
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 2: into his they would have found it eventually.

1662
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 3: They would have.

1663
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 2: Found it at the you know station in two hours anyways.

1664
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 2: So that to me seems like a confusing one. But man,

1665
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 2: it's complicated. Play along, you know. Obviously he's back in

1666
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 2: court tomorrow. This will be going on all week, so

1667
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 2: we'll be following the Luigi case very closely. We also

1668
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 2: have new developments coming up on the Epstein files. TikTok,

1669
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 2: TikTok the time is coming. The eighteenth is coming up

1670
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 2: real close. So when will these files be released? And man,

1671
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 2: we hope many of you are sick, but if you are,

1672
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 2: hit up Starbucks apparently for the medicine Bold per doctor body.

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01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 3: And we're crazy for you. Guys. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow. Stay safe. Bye