WEBVTT - #391 - Sam Hollander on Writing and Producing No. 1’s for One Direction, Weezer, Ringo Starr and More! + How Andy Warhol Became His Babysitter + His Side Gig Making Beats on Kids Bop Records 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:05.600 I think it was probably a trying time for Andy 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:07.640 sitting across from me, but he set up a little 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:09.639 black and white TV in the kitchen for me, and 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:11.559 the Yankees were on and I was the Yankees guy, 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:13.640 and he put it on. He kept just he would 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.720 walk over a couple hours and just walk up and 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:20.800 just say, do you like Famous Amous cookies? And I go, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:25.360 You drop off a crook, can't walk away. Welcome to 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.240 episode three ninety one. Sam Hollander. I was at there's 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:30.880 a little driving Ranger in my house. I went too 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.120 for like thirty minutes yesterday that my golf clubs and 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.000 back at the car, had a little time to kill, 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.080 and so I stopped it hit some balls, and I 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.480 was listening to the Weezer song records, the new song 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.440 I got records in my head and it's in my 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.480 head every it I've got, And so Sam Hollander wrote 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.280 that song and we talked about it coming up in 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.400 a minute. But that's new Weezer. But I could list you, 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:54.920 and I think I probably will, but I want to 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:56.960 say he's got a book called twenty one Hit Wonder 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.960 and you get it at Sam Hollander Songs dot Com, 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.080 or you can search twenty one hit Wonder on Amazon. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.880 That being said, I felt like I could have done 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.319 two to three hours with Sam. He just had a 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:13.360 story about everything, from whose babysitter was, his parents, all 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.560 the songs that he wrote, and I can list some 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:21.320 of them here, Panic at the Disco, High Hopes, Fits 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:28.640 in the Tantrums, Handclapp, Boys Like Girls, The Great Escape, 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.760 Jim Class Heroes, he produces when a Cupid show called 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:39.800 metro Stations Shake It. He's just got so much. He's 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.479 got over twenty two US top forty hits, ten number ones, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.280 ten top fives, eighty seven top tens. Globally, his songs 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.080 have streamed over five billion times. In twenty nineteen, held 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.200 the number one position on the Billboard Rock Songwriters Chart 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.040 for nine weeks, which was a year end record. I 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.080 don't know. I liked the guy. You know, I always 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.680 will kind of feel their energy and fully give that 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.960 back to them so they feel comfortable. And what I 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.040 liked about Sam was he's like, hey, man, what's up Sam? 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.640 Hanging out with chilling. He's so dry sometimes I didn't 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.120 know if he was joking or not. And then I 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:12.639 just sit there and be like, I'm gonna let you 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:13.919 say the next thing because I don't know if you're 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:15.960 kidding or not. Like talking about the baham In when 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:17.760 he worked with them, there's just a lot where I 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.040 was I don't know if he's kidding, And then sometimes 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.000 he wasn't kidding, especially the kids Bop stuff. Yeah, kids Bop. 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.240 I was like, is this a joke? It turns out 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.720 it wasn't a joke. So just a really cool story. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.480 I mean, Sam spent thirty years just kind of fighting 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:34.280 through this songwriting and the rapping and the producing, and 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:35.880 he put all this in a book and he's speaking 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:37.360 in a lot of places, and he's donating all the 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.760 money to musicians on call. It's a very inspiring story. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.400 It's a very entertaining story. And again Sam Hollandersongs dot 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.120 Com or twenty one Hit Wonder that's the name of 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:48.679 the book. You can buy it on Amazon. What was 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:50.560 your main takeaway here, Mike with Sam that you can 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:52.919 get it start later in life. Yeah, he didn't write 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:57.839 his first number one till after he had failed doing 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:02.960 other things hard. Then you know, there's a story. I 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:04.720 never want to say too much in this part of 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.960 it because it's so good. But there's one story about 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.880 a tragedy happening like right when he's about to launch something. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.120 So if it wasn't him failing, it was like things 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.320 happening around it that cause things not to go right. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.400 But then he hit it, and I hope you like it. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.760 I enjoyed it a whole bunch. Here he is, and 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:22.480 follow him on Instagram if you don't even want to 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:23.920 see what his face looks like. I like to do 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:28.760 that at Sam Hollander And here he is, Sam. How 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.680 is your day today? Hey? Pretty good? Pretty glorious. Man. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.080 You know, here's my problem. The shirt. I'm more in 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.520 the T shirt. I think a woman's shirt. This one. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.400 I didn't realize it and then I was looking in 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:42.920 the mirror and I was like, that's a woman shirt. 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:44.640 So I put this on over the top, so you 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.040 think I was at least kind of cool. It was 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.360 up from your Zomba class. You know, that's the one 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.760 class I haven't done. Zoba. Have you ever been to Zoomba? 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.920 You know? Honestly, I don't want to make this awkward 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.400 for you, but actually trademark the name Zimba. I actually 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.200 created Zimba. You didn't know I am the forbidden dance. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.840 You didn't I trademark zoom bass. I mean you've done 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.160 everything else right, man? Have you ever been to a 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.840 zoomba class? Though? Um, I've actually witnessed a zumba class, 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:11.600 but you haven't done it. Oh look at me? Have 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.960 you done tybo back in the day? Can Tybo can 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.359 say something true? Yeah? I actually had a song on 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:24.120 a Tybo vhs Banks Billy Blanks. What song was that though? Um? 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.000 It was called Supersonic Love, and the royalties from that 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.960 would definitely paid for the bottle of water. You guys 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.640 were nice enough to push them on directions. So it 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.599 wasn't like a massive song they wanted to put in it. No, No, 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.640 it was. It was a filler song. It was a 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.040 song of like many of my other early releases, that 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.320 was dropped by a record label, and I found a 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.680 way to make five dollars off of it. So you know, 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.960 when I was going through your entire catalog of songs 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.480 you wrote and produced, and it's it's it's so many 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.159 massive hits, and you know the song that I really 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:00.560 liked of yours, that I felt like was gonna like 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.640 and it's still this sometimes because they played a clip 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.840 of it in at the Naum stadiums all the time. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.839 Is handclap. That's a fun little dud. Yeah, because they 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.720 do a lot of the in the stadiums. I was 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.800 a pioneer in jack Jams. You know what I mean. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.839 That's a jock jam. Remember the Tommy Boy Jack Jams compilation. Absolutely, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.640 I had jock Jam one in Foyee goal. Yes, I 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.960 had jock Jam two. Are you ready for this? Do do? Do? 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:27.640 Dot dot? And then it was just one to one 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.240 to the other. I went. I actually sat in on 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.960 the uh the commercial for jack Jams two. My friend 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.680 Kennedy directed it, and uh I got to watch Michael 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.960 Buffer do his thing in real time on a commercial, 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.520 which was pretty cool because he does in the middle 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.200 of the jock jams, even the single version when I 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.039 was because I did pop radio for a long time, 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.600 he would do the let's get ready to rumble? Oh man, 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.320 that's like so handclap was my version of a jack jam. 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.120 I guess I don't think it was necessarily constructed that way, 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.640 but um, it's funny. I mean it really, it's still 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.839 play it every supporting thing around the world and it's neat, 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:04.960 especially in New York because I hear it, you know, 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:06.960 at the Yankee Games, at the Nick Games, at the 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:08.560 Neck Games. It's kind of fun. Do you ever stand 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.000 up in a wave? That's what I would do when 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.320 you that's played to stand up, be like, that's that's me. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.200 If I do that, then that's the moment they stopped 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:16.920 playing it when they realize what I looked like. That 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.080 would be at the end of it, when you when 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.400 when I look at again your massive body of work, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:30.000 there are so many even micro hooks or catchy things 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:34.960 that I think, Nana, Nana, that was a fun yeah 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.000 that I'm not responsible for that. I just took a 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.960 free ride on. But it's a nice little ditty. No. Yeah, 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.320 there's the thing. One thing I would say is I 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.040 am I love immediacy in music, you know what I mean. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:47.560 And I think it's born out of the fact that 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.640 I think most kids today have, you know, severely warped 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.600 attention spans. So when I'm digging in, I'm really just 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.240 trying to get it in the intro immediately. And you 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.320 know you TikTok before it was TikTok. It's what it 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.480 sounds like. I'm i gonna say two seconds. I'll put 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.200 it like this. If I had been born in a 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.440 previous decade, I would not have been able to make 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.800 Emerson Lake on Palmer Records, you know what I mean. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.280 It would have been a very different wiring. So there's 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.120 no twelve minute intro in my vocab. So I was 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:18.920 listening yesterday to Derek and the Domino's Leila, and you know, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.320 the song plays and hello, it's not the Clapton unplugged, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.840 it's the you know, the original, you know. And at 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:31.000 the end it's a five minute piano So yeah, culture 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.160 every time. Look, man, I wish, I wish I could 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:34.520 have been that guy. But true, I would have been 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:35.680 the guy who would have said to them in their 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.960 main man, let's dedit this thing now, letten, Let's make 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:41.239 it to like two minutes and forty seconds. Joy. Yeah 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:46.960 it was and then. And I can enjoy older songs 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.360 from before even you know, we were making anything creatively 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.080 it's jokes or music. I can enjoy the process and 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.720 how culture was different then. And but even that outro 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.160 in that song, I was like, were they high drugs? Yeah? 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.480 It was just it just continued on and and I've 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.400 heard it a hundred times, but as in my car 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.520 and I we have an old Bronco that just has 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:11.080 to Russial radio only awesome, and I was like, I 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:13.320 don't know what the channels are, so I'm not gonna 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.040 change it. So I'm gonna listen to this four minute 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.840 outro of the entire Leila you gotta stick it out, 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.320 which is the exact opposite of Nana No No, because 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.000 immediately you got us with cupid chokehold you know what. 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.280 That was the genius of traving McCoy and he was 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.480 driving it and he once again he let me hitch 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.320 onto his wagon on that one. But um no, it's 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.360 just a really really I do like going for the 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.000 jugular early on, you know, And maybe it's I have 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.560 no sense of dynamic anymore and I'm just warped, But 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.360 I really just like things just sort of from the 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.680 from the initial onset. I just wanted to hit where 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.000 did that come from? Or what music did you like? 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.040 Or what was it that you didn't like so much 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.960 that made you go we gotta grab him quick? Well? 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:54.880 I don't know, I mean, I grew up. I was 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.960 the definitive ktel kid, you know, what I mean, I 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.360 was like this, you know, late seventies early He's had 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.520 all those k tail collections. And that's what I loved 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.680 because it was it was so um. It wasn't genre 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.920 specific for the most part, you know, so you could 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:12.960 have Seals and Crofts next to David Gates next to um, 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.480 you know, next to the Bellamy Brothers next to the 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.960 Bags or some disco stuff or kiss. So that was 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.680 my introduction of music. And the one thing I would 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.360 say is, you know, it was usually the three minute 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.720 edit on all those songs. They weren't going to let 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.280 anything go extended. So I began to hear songs truly 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.360 as like a three minute single. And I remember, I 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.199 remember when I was twenty or so and Drama Rama hit, 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.880 and I remember hearing, uh, you know, not Dramarama, what's 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.719 the what's the Delamitri would roll to me right when 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.160 hit Yeah, but that thing's like two minutes in two seconds, Rod, 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.080 It's the fastest song in history. And what I realized 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.240 about that song was one reason why I crushed it 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.560 radio is because you could fit it into any slot 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.120 going to a commercial. You know. It was like it 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:56.840 was so short that it could work as a bumper 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.839 to things. So then I just sort of got in 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.800 that notion. So I guess I am TikTok pioneer Bobby 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.520 what And that's what I thought, because everything goes quick, 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.440 short attention span. You hit us quick. You give us 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:08.839 what we're gonna need to know when that song's over, 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:10.920 and if we don't listen to all of it, that's fine. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:12.800 If we do, we got it. I could do that 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.520 with many of your songs and we can shake it 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.160 Metro station shake. It's a zumba classic. Now see when 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:19.800 you talk about zoom, but you lose me a little bit. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.320 And I think you're kidding because you only witnessed one. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.000 If you said tibout, I believe you because you probably 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.959 saw a few more of those since you made five 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.400 bucks off of it, and say a few more, Bobby. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.040 Growing up in New York, how much of your childhood 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.959 to early adulthood were you there? Mostly? I was there 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.720 every day. I mean the city was like until what age, 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.360 you know? I was in the New York till I 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.760 was the age of forty Okay, so I never left. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.200 So does that mean you're a billy Joel guy? I'm 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:50.920 a Springsteen m Billy Joel Guy, which is kind of 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.960 a rarity, you know what I mean, they're in the 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.839 in the Tristate area. I do sometimes feel there's like 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.439 a defined Mason Dixon between the two. Almost Mets Yankees, 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:03.000 ye undred percent. I'm definitely Yankees, um, but for Billy. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.360 You know, it's funny because Billie's thing. I love on 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:10.240 the theatricality, and I love um the nods to um, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.640 you know, Sinatra and all the you know, sort of 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.840 rappack kind of crooners, some the way he fused like 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:20.320 theatrical crooner doom, you know. And then Springsteen. I love 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.599 the word play. So Springsteen was a huge influence for 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.080 me because I really really dug especially on Greetings from 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.320 Asbury Park, that first record. Um, there's it's you know, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.040 he's pulling all this Dylan stuff, but there's just something 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.160 about what he was doing melodically on that first record 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.280 that blew my head. That's one of my first favorite records. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:38.720 So there had to be so much music around you, 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.440 even if you didn't get to go to it. To 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.000 just be living in New York City, I mean, I 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.040 grew up in Mountain Pine, Arkansas. There was no music 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.520 around me, so anything I got had to be only 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.679 from the radio or driving to get a tape which 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.080 later turned into a CD. So it was like the 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.880 nearest big venue hour and a half and it was 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:59.400 little rock. Well, and it's another end every three months, right, 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:05.680 you know? So was it important to whomever was raising 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.559 you to make sure that you were cultured at all 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.640 while living in New York? One thousand percent? Like you know, 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.760 I was exposed to the arts early on my UM, 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:14.439 I know the whole appeal to you, but my dad 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.679 was a modern dancer and I know you're you're very 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.959 well dashed in the modern and Dan, well, you're a 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:25.439 champion dance. Um, so it's very very important to um. 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:27.560 You know, my dad was a dancer and then he 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:29.240 became an architect, but he was a modern He was 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.960 a professional dancer kind of dancer. What he specialized in. 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.320 He was with the Jose Lemone group doing modern dance 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.560 in the nineteen fifties. And how did he get started 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.960 in that? He started dancing like eleven, was professional at 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:43.160 seventeen toward the entire world. Broke every toe on both 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.439 feet by the time he was twenty three, went back 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.600 to Yale and became an architect. Do you remember him 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.960 dancing at all? No, I wasn't okay, so you were 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.240 not two hundred Yeah, jeez, man, But I didn't know 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.920 if he's still like dance recreationally. He didn't dance recreationally, 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:00.720 but you know, it's funny. He would sway around the room. 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.240 He was an incredible guy. Man. He was just so 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.760 rhythmic and cool. So when I listen to music and 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.959 I sort of was less versed in my steps, I 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.920 would watch him in the background listening to music, and 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.440 the way he flowed was magical. Its beautiful. And my 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.679 mom was an artist too, so I mom was what 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.520 kind of artists? My mom was a heavy cat man. 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.560 My mom was like really like that. She was an 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:26.000 interior designer, but she came from the bottom of this thing. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.440 She just started at the very pit of this thing. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.960 And she became an expert on Victorian era furniture and 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.920 which is a very strange sort of lane. And she 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.240 really became like one of them foremost experts on it 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.960 overnight and started doing apartments. But when I was a 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.880 little kid, she was sort of carrying our thing and 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:48.880 she did Mick Jagger's apartment, Eve Saan Laurent's apartment, all 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.080 these sort of studio fifty four era things. And you know, 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.000 when I was a little guy. This is probably how 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:55.040 I got a book deal. But when I was a 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:56.920 little guy, you know, and I was always pleading for 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.400 her to take me to record shops. One day she 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.840 just said, I'm gonna rop you off at a babysitter's house. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:03.599 I gotta get rid of you. And she dropped me 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.720 off at Andy Warhol's and Andy Warhole used to babysit 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.720 me as a little kid, which is wild. I know 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.120 that you wrote about that in your book. It's true. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.280 And the next question was is your book true or lies? 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.640 And so you answered that it's true too. Yeah that's good. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.600 I like that because I we can keep going here act. Yeah, 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.280 that's good. Andy Warhole is a babysitter. Do you have 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.360 memories of that or was it before you were No? 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.560 I do, I do. Um, it happened through I would 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.840 say three three, maybe a fourth time and then needs 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.960 to come into our house too. Um. I have very 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.760 distinct memories because this was somebody who probably wasn't that 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.440 stoke to hang out with like a greasy little kid. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.160 With nose burgers running down his face, you know. So 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.840 it was, Um, I think it was probably a trying 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.440 time for Andy sitting across from me, but you know, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.680 he set up a little black and white TV in 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:49.880 the kitchen for me, and it was a little little 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.160 black and white TV and the Yankees were on and 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:53.760 I was the Yankees guy and he put it on. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.320 He kept just he would walk over a couple hours 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.920 and just walk up and just say, do you like 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.560 Famous Miss Cookies? And I go, yeah, yeah, yeah, you 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.440 drop off a cookie and walk away. It was about 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.920 the extent of our frader in hissation. But it was 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.960 pretty cool. Like, you know, your mom and dad are 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.640 very interesting to me because so they pushed the arts. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.280 So yeah, when I played culture childhood, Yeah, when I 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.000 played high school football, they thought literally like I had failed. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.080 How did they meet? Do you know? Um? I do know. 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:26.040 My mom was widowed at um twenty three, and she 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.240 was widowed and she was a single mom, and she 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.320 met my dad through a friend in the city, just 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.680 like casually, and so I assumed their their bond was 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.480 something artistic, creative. It sounds like they both have that 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.440 spirit inside of that they were incredible. Man. They were 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.000 like both like they're both of their esthetics where at 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.680 like a level I've never seen. They were both everything 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.440 about them. You know. They lived in this little studio 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.680 apartment in the city and they tricked this thing out 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.840 to such an extent in like nineteen sixty nine or 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.120 before I was born, but it was in magazines. It 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.480 was featured because the design level of design was so 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.720 sophisticated and cool, Like they were just like they were 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.080 brilliant minds. So what do you remember as far as 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.200 their parenting? What was a priority from them to you 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.080 as for just being a good human? Like what were 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.640 they trying to teach you? Well, I gotta be honestly, 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:17.000 they were very They were very decent people. And you know, 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.080 I think the number one thing they wanted to teach 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:24.040 me one was aspirational things that everything was obtainable. You know. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.640 I was blessed to have like a support network that 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.600 other kids didn't have, you know what I mean, Like, 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:31.480 and that's never been lost on me. Like when you 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.920 have when you're entering this business and you have two 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.120 parents who are cheering for you, hoping that you enter 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.720 something or do something different or color outside the lines. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.960 That's pretty cool, you know, so I would say I 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.960 was blessed with that, and then you know, they were 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.440 just they were they were so kind and they're so gracious. 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.360 In our town specifically, we lived an hour north in 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.680 northern Westchester. And the way they approached everybody, they were 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.800 so they were known. They'd just be like very generous, 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.480 decent people, like they would talk to everybody. That's one 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.920 thing that was stom me early on. It's just, you know, 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:03.920 have no fear of talking to people, look people in 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.800 the eye, and like honestly just like be a human. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:11.240 You know, I ask all the childhood stuff because I 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.760 grew into associopath. I was going to get there later 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.080 about that specifically, but it's you know, when I'm reading 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.560 about you and reading different parts of the book to Michael, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:20.960 was like, you gotta read this, you gotta read this 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:22.920 that you didn't have it hit in two or thirty five, 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.200 Is that accurate? That's completely well memory completely you had 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.040 these parents is that you can do anything. They didn't 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:33.320 really set boundaries for you. Accept the boundary of you 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.000 can push the boundary as much as you'd like, hustle. Yeah, 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:40.400 just just just go. Just hustle, and so you're eighteen 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:42.880 nineteen even up twenty four twenty five, like, where did 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.919 you see your life going? What was the goal? What 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.640 was the plan? Then? Well, the plan from day one 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.800 it was I really, um, you know, I was a student. 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:52.960 I was a student of records, right, I mean, you know, 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.760 I collected records the way other kids collected baseball cards. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.680 Probably had a couple of thousand records about tom I 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.720 was about twenty three twenty four because or flea markets 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.640 in the city in the mid twenties and twenty twenty 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.000 four twenty fifth where you could buy Nickel records. So 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.800 I used to stockpile Nickel records, and I just I 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.320 was like a voracious collector. I was looking at the 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.159 back and just trying to figure out who the songwriters were, 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:15.840 who the producers were. I grew up up watching a 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.960 lot of films, so I got really into screenwriting, right, 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.960 So I nerded out over screenwriters like I wanted to 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:22.960 be Albert Brooks or John Hughes are one of these cats, 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.399 you know. And so with the songwriting, it was the 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.399 same thing. And as far as my parents went, you know, 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.919 I you know, they unleashed me into the city. You know. 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:33.520 I went to school, I dropped out. I went to 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.800 three colleges and two semesters, which I think is pretty 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.800 unheard of, and I ended up ended up claw in 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.639 the city. But I really did have one, one singular goal, 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.720 and that was I wanted to write with artists and 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.080 really just be that voice in the room who sort 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:49.800 of directed the movie a little bit, you know what 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.280 I mean, who wrote the script and sort of. Um 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:54.560 it was a trick I learned from Nol Rodgers down 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.959 the road, but I really was I was early in 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.320 my head, that was in my wiring, which was to 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.480 constantly you try to write the sequel to whatever any artist, 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.320 doesn't matter if they're unknown or they've just put up 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.760 their first song or whatever. I'm creating the next movie, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:08.919 like where would it go, what's the pivot? What's weekend? 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.240 Bernie's too, you know, And that's what I started doing. 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.600 And the problem was this guy named Kurt Cobain came along, 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.880 this jerk, and he wrote his own songs, and so 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.760 it became super I was twenty and suddenly was super 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:28.520 inherently uncool to collaborate with an out guy outside of 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.160 the room, you know, previously. You go back to Appetite 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:31.880 for Destruction for G and R or any of those 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:33.960 Eagles records, you know, and there's co writers all over 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.720 these things. Carol King wrote it's too late with Tony Stern, 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.760 you know. So there was a place for that person 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:42.320 to be in the room who sort of is that 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:47.400 other sort of appendant creatively but isn't part of the group. 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.800 And suddenly it wasn't in vogue anymore. It wasn't cool, 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.320 And so I had to claw my way through the 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.240 city at that time, and I had to eat. So 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.760 I Bobby. I was a rapper and I got a 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:03.720 record Deals rapper. I don't know if you're kidding, because 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.800 I also had a record Deals rapper. I did. My 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.120 name is Captain Caucasian. What was your name? Um, we're 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.840 gonna find out. Um, this is the This could be 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.240 a Bobby cast trivia question for anyone who writes in 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.680 but nobody writes it. Okay, that's a problem. But I did. 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.120 I did get a record deal with Select Records, which 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.119 is Atlantics hip hop records. So they had at the 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.879 time they had um Kid and play Cha brock utfo 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.000 Kidden player on top of the World, year was this. 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.160 By the way, this is nineteen ninety one. Okay, so 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:31.960 Beastie Boys have been around for a little bit. Beast 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:33.959 He's been around. Third Base had come out and they 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.360 were big Goes a Weasel, right, Yeah, that was big 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.040 in the city. And then and then Filling It was 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.360 where I was shopping when Vanilla Vanilla Ice came out 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.760 And it was funny because Vanilla ICE's label tried to 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.480 sign me. They flew me down a Plano, Texas Old 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.920 Tracks Records, and I remember um pivotal moment in my youth. 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.280 I'm probably twenty years old maybe yeah, I just probably 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:55.520 turned twenty. And it took me into a closet and 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.000 it was all the Vanilla Ice merch, you know what 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.679 I mean, Vanilla's tooth braces, hunchboxes, you know whatever. It 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.160 was like. It was so it was so um dystopian, 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.400 and I remember thinking, I really like I've entered into 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.040 like a universe I could never understand. But I made 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.360 this record, I got signed, I had a video out, 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:15.240 and then I got dropped within two weeks. You know 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:20.480 what I mean, what's the record. It's called Notorious Big, Yeah, 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.360 I've heard of it. Then I have heard of it. Yeah, 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:26.440 you know, but after my failed hip, what was wrong 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.919 with the record? Um? I made it myself. So the 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.720 biggest mistake was I got a record deal and immediately 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.000 Select tried to hook me up with producer so Bob 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.320 Power wand to work with me, and he had done 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.560 he had engineered and um he had engineered and mixed 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:41.800 all those trip called Quest records. And then they hooked 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:43.480 me with these guys track masters who would go on 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.240 to do all of the Diddy and Mace stuff and 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.760 getting Jiggy with it and all that nineties big sample 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.040 heavy hip out. These guys all wanted to work with me, 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.520 and I of course turned it all down to make 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.760 my own record because I was very headstrong. I didn't 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.040 want to collaborate with anybody, and I made the worst 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:03.520 album ever recorded. So I made this terrible recording and 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.160 I lost my record deal. By the time I would 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:08.040 it came out, it was it was shell for a year. 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.560 They finally like threw it against the wall and then 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:16.119 Bobby decided to start rapping with a German accent because 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.359 I think that was my next pivot. So I felt 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.200 like I was doing cultural appropriation of I was an 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.879 early cultural appropriator. So I started and cultural appropriation I 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.280 did so. I started rapping with a German accent and 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.960 I did that, Um, why was a good idea? Euro 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:34.000 dance was beginning explode. Remember the Burman Brothers are different person. 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.239 Yeah so you did so? You did? You had been 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:39.920 gentleman Parterson, you'd that's a terrible German accent, but it 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:41.760 d'd be like, oh I am German. Yes, yeah. Yeah. 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:45.240 So if you ever watch uh, Whoopie Goldberg and Eddie, 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:48.480 she's coaching the Knicks. She's angry Whoopie yelling at the knicks. 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:51.240 Um my song plays, She's yelling at a knick and 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.119 it's in the background. You can hear my weird German 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:57.520 flow in the background, a little pronounced. But um, that 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:01.200 didn't work. Hang tight the Bobby Cast. We'll be right back. 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:07.119 Welcome back to the Bobby Cast. Then, um, I started 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.400 making beats, and so that's when I started doing lots 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:11.920 of programming and making beats. And well, your beats good 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:13.679 on your record though you talk about you made your 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.000 own records. I did. My beats were terrible. My records. 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:17.520 So then I you know, back then, I actually worked 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:19.399 with a programmer on it. But then when I started 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.200 making beats, actually got an sp twelve of them. My 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.439 beats were all right. I could actually I could do it, 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:25.520 and I sort of had the tricks of the era 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.399 of all that sort of tune hip hop stuff. But 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:30.600 do you think, though, that that bad record bad? You 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:34.000 said it, not me though. The failure there, And I 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:37.240 guess the point that I'm hope being that I'm leading 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.800 us to is that there was a lot of learning 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:41.840 that happened from that failure. The best thing that ever 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.639 happened to me, right, failure. See, the reason I wrote 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:49.600 this book is because the failure defined me. You know. 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:52.560 I read every entertainment bow for the most part. You 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:54.840 know of my peers, certainly songwriter books, etcetera. And a 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.639 lot of them are humble brags, you know, and I 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.679 understand it. It's part of the game for me. What 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:04.360 was interesting about my story was the first fifteen years 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.320 of the career, not the second half. The second half's 0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:09.119 been magical, but it's not why I wrote a book. 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:10.800 I wrote a book because the stuff at the front 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:16.600 end was so fascinating. Because I made every possible tactical 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:20.800 and creative error you could ever make, and I always 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.199 learned from the lessons. So I make my first record 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:27.840 and it's a colossalness. You know, I learned I need 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:30.680 to be a collaborator. I might not be good enough 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:32.560 on my own to pull off what I think when 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.480 I'm hearing in my head, I'm not able to execute. 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.440 So then it was like speed dating. Years of speed 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:39.760 dating collaborators to try to find like the magic fit, 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:42.680 and so everything was just like this weird learning curve. 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:47.720 I started doing music for commercials and music for industrials, Garnier, 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.920 Mabel and all the stuff. And basically then I started 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:54.879 creating my own groups because I figured if I created 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:57.840 the group, they'd have no choice but to sing my songs. 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.880 Quality theory, let me fuck it on paper. Yeah. So, um, 0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:05.560 the first five albums I made were major I got. 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.040 You know, my manager M Brett was at the time, 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.439 was able to get five major label deals for artists 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.320 over a two year period, which was unheard of. We 0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:15.679 had nothing, We had never done anything. I'd never done anything, 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:20.480 and um, I had the distinction of the first five 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:24.439 albums I ever made weren't released, And you go, how 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.040 does it work? Well? Because there's no Internet, no Spotify, nothing. 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:31.240 This is not you know, so no iTunes. So back 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.520 then it's still physical CDs and as you know, like 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:35.919 a bunch of records they'd signed thirty x a year 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.200 or whatever, but a couple were tax write offs. Mine 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.879 were always the write off. So the first five albums 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:42.879 didn't come out. The sixth, finally is the one that 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.240 breaks through. Um. It was a group called Bad Ronald 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:46.720 that took out an ad in the Village Voice in 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:50.639 New York cast this thing we went to UM we 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.800 recorded at Henson Um in LA and I had a 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:56.400 panic attack in the middle of it because I knew 0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:59.160 this was my last shout in this business. And why 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:00.719 did you think that was all? I shot that well, 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:03.600 because when you have five albums, it's such a weird 0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:05.680 number to go, well, my six short certainly isn't gonna 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:07.360 because you know what, the phone just wasn't ringing, got 0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:09.240 you know what I mean, like, no one's taking my calls. 0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:12.639 And I think I was somebody who generally people rooted for. 0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.640 But you know, man, it's like at some point you're 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:17.520 like a you know you're a draft pick. At some 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:20.120 point you know you're gonna get cut. Your stock isn't there, 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.040 and that's where I was at, and so I m 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.080 I was just at the very bottom of this thing. 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:29.119 And we make this album and the floodgates open, and 0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:31.359 I have a song on MTV right and it's the 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.399 first song ever, bad Ronald, Let's begin song on MTV, 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.680 most magical feeling in the world, crying, first song, first 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:40.000 song ever literally in a video, because up to that 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:43.080 the only TV usage I had was background music in 0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:50.199 a real world Seattle, That's true. And so if you 0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:52.439 have this thing and on the night of the record releases, 0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:56.400 you remember, you know, record store releases were Tuesdays, so 0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.400 the Monday night before it, most record stores stay open 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.320 to midnight, and you'd have record release Monday nights, you 0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:02.879 know what I mean. And so all throughout the city, 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:04.760 like whatever. You were a fan of a New York city, 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:07.280 those people will congregate for the record release of that record. 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:09.560 You need to go to the record stourace. So our 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:13.000 record was this It was the easy Rider helmet from 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:16.879 the movie American Flag, and it was displayed at fourteenth 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:18.880 and Broadway in the Virgin Mega store and we had 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.920 the flat on the corner of Broadway sky High. It 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:23.720 was the coolest thing I've ever seen, right, So we 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.480 went to take pictures there directly before. It was the 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:30.479 most magical feeling. I was so excited, and we were 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:33.360 there at midnight and I went to bed next morning. 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.440 We woke up of September eleventh, two thousand and one, 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.679 and as I ran down the street, I watched the 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:40.919 towers fall from Washington Square Park around the corner. And 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:42.840 then when I ran uptown and all these people are 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:45.920 running towards me covered in soot, and all these people 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.440 are screaming looking for family members that are all congregating 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:52.040 in Union Square. So the press trucks are there and 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.240 the press start photographing, and the city, you know, all 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.320 the news trucks are photographing our album cover with people 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:02.720 covered in white dust past the American flag. So um, 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:08.160 it was the most harrowing, just awful day obviously my life. 0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:09.640 And you know, I never went back to that store 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:11.240 for two and a half years, and I didn't fly 0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:14.280 for two years. And Bad Ronald were dropped within three 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:18.080 weeks because their record was just like loud, abrasive, sort 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.919 of raunchy hip hop and with rock hip hop, you know, 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.320 and that wasn't what people wanted on September twelfth, they 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:27.560 wanted Norah Jones, you know, so that was the end 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:31.560 for me. So I had the phone stop ringing, and 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.560 I had to take a side hustle. So I started 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:41.840 making beats on kids pop records. That's not I'm serious, 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.720 and that's why I'm pausing here. Serious. So when you 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:46.840 say making beats, so you're how about this, I wasn't 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:50.160 even producing. I was the drum programmer. So you're making 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:54.880 as close to as possible, like the real version, but 0:28:55.000 --> 0:29:02.000 a little softer version of the songs that family friendly. Yeah, 0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.920 how do you get that job? Gary Phillips was a 0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:07.560 guitar player I'd used. He had done session work. He 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.320 actually did the entire Bad Ronald record. He was amazing. 0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:13.080 He had produced a singer Songwriana Michael Tolture, a record 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:16.800 that had done that didn't really happen, and he'd become 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:21.760 my session guy, and he got the gig as the 0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.360 main producer for kids while he still is. And he 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.320 knew that I was having a hard time, and he 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.120 knew that my phone had stopped ringing and I wasn't 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:30.920 gonna quit. So he gave me, like he started throwing 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.040 me a little big. He's like, hey, do the Beyonce 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.120 crazy and love kids, Bob, And as I always say, 0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:38.360 that's my hot beat on that man. So in casey 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:40.560 tonight want to do the forbidden Mamba to that thing, 0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:43.640 I got you, it's my beat. So when did you 0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:50.200 start to re establish, even within yourself, who you were. Well, 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.040 I met a guy who changed my life. I met 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.320 a guy named Jonathan Daniel. You know a couple of 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.080 pivotal things. One and one Danny to say is even 0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:00.600 in the midst of all the failure and futility I had. 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:02.920 The first thing that really changed my life was I 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.000 met Carol King, and Carol King took an interest in me, 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.680 and Karl did just meet. I brought her in on 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:10.720 one of these records to sing a record that was 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:13.440 never released, a female ours named Tarsha Viga and Urca, 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.960 and she was like an MC and it was once 0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:20.160 again acoustics like sort of like a vibe acoustic hip 0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.840 hop record. And I brought her in and I, you know, 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.400 they wanted arca. I wanted to feature on the record, 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:29.240 and they were suggesting in there and people of that era, 0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.400 you know, sort of neo soul, and I suggested Carol 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.920 King and Brian Maloof was at NR and he had 0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.960 a relationship with her camp And two days later she 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:40.360 came down the studio to hang out with us, and 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:42.280 she sat across from us and she's looking at Tarsha 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:45.080 and she said, Tarsha, I love what you do lyrically. 0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.560 I think it's great. I love the nuances blah blah, 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.400 and Tarsha God bless her looked at me and said, well, 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.959 he writes it. I don't write the stuff he writes it. 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:57.479 So next thing, you know, me and Carol and my 0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:01.000 boy Duke, we locked the door for like you know, 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:02.960 over a year. We probably wrote ten or twelve songs 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:04.920 I wanted to say, and we just kept it was 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.640 a masterclass. It was like the first person and specifically 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:09.600 for me, it was the first person who really identified 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:12.280 something in me beyond the fact that I was mildly amusing, 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:16.640 you know, and she uh, we did this thing and 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:19.280 we ended up writing and producing the title track of 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:21.080 the last album she ever made. It was the single 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.560 the title track. It was a big gap commercial with 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:25.200 her and her daughter as a song called Love Makes 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:28.520 the World. And I had a Carol King song, so 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.560 it was weird as I had five unreleased albums had 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.920 a Carol King song and then you know, obviously you 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.040 know my Baha men work right, so you do and 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.520 I'm gonna get to that too. Yeah that was big. Yeah, 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:40.800 we got we got bahamen to come in a minute 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.560 with the Carol King and you know when that's one 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.280 of the big headlines that you read about you. Yeah, yeah, first, 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.440 you know, Carol King the first big breakthrough. But I 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:52.440 wonder if the breakthrough was that, as you're writing these songs, 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:54.440 did she and maybe didn't need it, but did she 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:58.360 give you a kind of a reintroduction to your confidence? Yeah? 0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.360 It's just you know what was like I entered the 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:05.040 building as the fan first um ilays want to work 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.120 with all the real building cats, you know what I mean. 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:11.680 So the notion that somebody so esteemed could find something 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:14.320 in my writing that was a that offset all the 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:15.960 failure to me because at least I felt like I 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.960 was getting grandmothered into something. So then she told Paul 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:20.880 Williams about me, and Paul Williams was one of my 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.479 favorite writers ever. I was a massive Paul Bliams fan 0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:25.000 because he was like me. He was a lyricist and 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.920 he was sort of kookie. And so suddenly me and 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:31.960 Paul and Carol and Duca writing songs together, right, and 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.400 she just she was she was. She was an advocate 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.040 for me, and I desperately needed it, and so that 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:42.360 gave me some currency in my head. And then but this, 0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.040 you know, a guy named Jonathan Daniel m. Change is 0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:47.760 the guy who really changed my career. He was as 0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:51.520 a manager and you know, he's about, you know, eight 0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:53.479 years older than me something like that. He'd been hair 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:55.840 bands in the eighties at the same the same kind 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:59.680 of trajectory though, like just dancing around all these scenes 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:01.040 and then you know, like in the way I was 0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.440 dancing around scenes in New York City but never really 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:07.040 having his own moment, that breakout moment. He was you know, 0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:09.320 his band was called Candy, it was and it was 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:13.040 Jonathan and Gilby Clark, and then Gilbey Clark joins GNR then, 0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.880 you know, and he then became a publisher. He started 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.160 he was running the Cures publishing company in the US, 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.520 that sort of rance course, and he starts a management 0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:24.959 company called Crush Management, and he started reaching out to 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.000 me and he would get advanced copies of all these 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.960 albums I was making that weren't getting released, and he 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:32.080 would take me out to launch and commit these pep talks, 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.560 and he understood what I was pulling from, right, So 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:37.800 he'd sit across from me and say, oh, that's really cool. 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.400 You're going for like a bones how Turtles thing on this, 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.440 or you're going for a love and spoonful thing on this. 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:46.720 So you're going for a Dennis Lambert thing, or you 0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:49.080 know these idols, all these songwriters that idoled like a 0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.680 you know, like an idolized like a nerd, you know. 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.240 And he was the only person who understood my references. 0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:58.040 And he said to me, look, he said, you know, 0:33:58.080 --> 0:33:59.720 I'm on the precipice of something, but I have a 0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.640 whole way of bands. They're pop punk, and this is 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:07.160 growing into a scene, and we're gonna need somebody who, 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.680 you know, maybe an adult in the room who understands 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:11.600 song about a step more with a few of the 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:16.360 act and they were these little indie records, no budget, 0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.560 fueled by Ramen. Records were run out of Jacksonville, you know, 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:23.719 a dorm at Gainesville, originally with John Janet and I 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:26.799 signed up and the first record ever made you know, 0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:28.719 so understand now I'm coming out of It ended up 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.719 being seven albums. I made major label albums Real Budgets, right, 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:36.640 Real Budgets, and first five aren't released. The sixth comes 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.600 out in September eleventh, and the seventh was a group 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:42.200 called the Cooler Kids that DreamWorks folded in the as 0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.200 the record came out, so they were folded in in 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.799 our scope and they were dropped. So I made all 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:49.279 these major label records for Budgets, and then suddenly here 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:52.520 I am, and I'm pitched these records for you know, 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:56.800 twenty five thousand, all in for everything, mixing, mastering, production, 0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.680 you know, sample clearances if they use you know, so 0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:02.759 I'm losing money in these things. That first record was 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.360 called The Gym Class Heroes, and I make this record, 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:07.239 like you said, you know, and I have my first 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:09.560 number one hit. So I went from having absolutely nothing 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.399 in that thirty five have a number one hit? Does 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:15.120 it happen like on the movie show where you get 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:16.560 no calls? And didn't you have a number one hit? 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:17.600 And then all of a sudden, the phones like I 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:19.799 don't anybody bringing, anybody wants to work with you? One 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.880 thousand percent? What was interesting about it was one thing 0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.120 Jonathan Jonathan Daniel is based on my guru. He's one 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:26.760 of my best friends, but he's also been my guru 0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.080 and I'm with Crush Management now too. But one thing 0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.440 he told me early on is he said, you don't 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:33.880 necessarily need to take all the calls. You need an 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.520 infrastructure about three or four people in this business who 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.560 believe in you, who've always been very loyal to you, 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:40.680 and as long as they're in the position to make 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.520 some sort of moves that you can just work with 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.480 those people. And that's what I chose to do. So 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.080 there was Steve Greenberg at es Curve. There was James 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:51.480 Deaner when he was at Doctone, you know, be Interscope. 0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:55.080 There was you know, the Crush guys and Pete Gambarg 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:56.960 and people like. There were people who just like constantly 0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:59.080 gave me work. So I didn't have to take all 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.279 that incoming. And it's great for my psyche because I 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:04.359 think it's a massive mistake that writers or producers make 0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:07.360 when they finally enter the zeitgeist, you know, because you 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:08.880 just get so seduced by it, you're like, oh my god, 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:10.520 I can't believe I'm getting all these calls blah blah blah, 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:12.440 but you don't realize that you're fly by night to 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.600 these other people. You know, that's a transient sort of 0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:17.560 relationship with the people who sort of rode with you 0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:19.959 from the beginning will stick with you through the lows. 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:24.440 Because truthfully, for every sort of solid couple of you know, 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.319 pockets where I'm really killing it, then of course there's 0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:29.000 going to be a fall. It happens. We all just 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.480 roller coaster up and down. We were talking about before 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:33.520 you got here doing the intro for this which, by 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:35.120 the way, the book twenty one hit Wonder, which we've 0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:40.080 been talking about, and you write it, and you're you're 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:43.439 donating the proceeds to every reason I call right, Yeah, 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.279 So every penny from my end from this book, from 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.400 inception goes to musicians on call and all my speaking 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:51.160 gigs too. So I've been torn around the country on 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.960 my own time. I went to been a thirty university 0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:56.640 so far, five high schools. I'm gonna get up to fifty. 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.520 And I've done you know, everything from a General Modus 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:05.520 convent in Last Tuesday to you know, Music Business College's convention, 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:09.520 the Media Convention in Las Vegas on Friday. Every penny 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:13.200 that I raised goes to musicians on Call and why 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:14.880 And I said that as someone who was on the 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:16.680 board for a while, and I know he was very 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.439 you've been involved in it. Well, the long and short 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:22.279 of it is, I knew the gentleman who started it 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:23.919 when we were all in our twenties, and I didn't 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.799 really get involved. And then when my dad was in 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:28.840 his last days, he was at a Mount Sina he 0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.840 was in a cancer word of Mount SINAI and I 0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.160 just lost my mom and now my dad's really sick, 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:37.120 and I'm in a pretty dark space. And I walk 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:40.839 up there and I hear, like I hear a man 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:42.800 singing in the hallway. He's kind of warming up. And 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:44.919 I walk out. It's like an eighty year old cat 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:48.319 with a big, bushy beard and acoustic guitar and he's 0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:50.560 walking into a room to play for an elderly woman 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.160 in the next room. And so I waited till he's completed, 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:54.400 and I took him aside. I said, like, where do 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.320 you know? Who are you? He said, I'm with musicians 0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:59.799 on call. And literally my face froze because I had, 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:02.799 you know, I'd always wanted to get involved, and I 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.200 felt like this was this weird, divine sort of religious experience. 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:10.560 So I immediately signed on joining joined the advisory board. 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:12.719 And then we have this Christmas group. It's me and 0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.120 Kevin Griffin, Mark McGrath. It's a bunch of us, Lisa 0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:17.600 Loebe and we just thing called Band of Merrymakers. And 0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:19.799 so we gave proceeds to it, and we started playing 0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:21.840 in the hospitals and like doing the workshops, and I 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:23.719 was doing writing clinics like with kids who were in 0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:27.920 really tough shape, and it um is the most valuable 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.120 work I've ever done. I figured, you know, there's a 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.040 lot of charities that get a ton of shine and 0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:35.400 have more financial resources, and I felt, well, if I 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:37.840 could do anything to help, it was probably it was 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:43.760 worth it. The Bobby Cast. We'll be right back. This 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:47.600 is the Bobby Cast. When you speak at any other things, 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:53.640 you said, a college, a convention, bunch executives, what's your 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.160 one story that you know is going to light the 0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:57.960 room of people are gonna love it. They're going to 0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:00.800 be entertained. You may twist and turn on him a 0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.759 little bit, but you know that's your money story. Oh man, 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.960 I'll be The truth is I'm walking money, So I 0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:10.239 know that's why I'm asking you, like, what's your what's 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:12.400 your antidote that you're like, this is the one I 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:14.200 want to be known, not not what song did you 0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:16.319 write or produce? But what's your one antidote that you 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.440 want to be known for? All right? You're ready? Yeah, 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:22.160 all right? So, um, I really think the one direction 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:27.240 one lands a lot because kids like Harry styles so um, 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:31.120 very quickly, I'm sitting at coffee shop in La. It's raining, 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:34.239 and um, you know, everybody in La is scared of rain, 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.439 so they're all on top of each other, and there's 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:38.960 there's a meeting going on behind me, and it's a 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:43.120 publisher pitching a writer and I recognize that's beca tishker 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:46.160 is a huge manager and publisher. And she's she's pitching 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.080 the Swedish guy and he's got very thick cent, very 0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.440 thick coccent, you know, and she's like, you know, so 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.480 you're not doing your band anymore, blah blah blah. You 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:54.040 know you're starting to write now, you're doing you're writing 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.160 now blah blaha. Yes, I'm beginning to write them blah 0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.600 blah blah. For some reason, I turn around and I 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:00.919 look at the sexy fella and I realized that it's 0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:04.920 Peter Spence and the guitarist and the Cardigans. And the 0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:07.680 Cardigans for me were mine er van, you know, really, 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:09.920 Cardigans were my favorite band of the night. Love me, 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.480 love me, say that should love me. For those that 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:13.960 want to hear it perfectly, sing back, well the way, 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:18.120 it's perfect, thank you yeah um, and so that I'm 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:21.760 literally fanboy and this guy. I interrupt their conversation because 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:25.759 I have no filter, and we kick it and she's like, 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:27.080 oh my god, you guys should write together. It be 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:28.839 such a great fit. And you know, I'm gonna bring 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.399 I'll add my writer ko Jack, who's a track guy. 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:33.359 Cool ko Jack, and the three you guys should write, 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:35.480 I said, great. So we show up and secretly I'm 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:37.360 thinking we're gonna write a Cardigans song. And this is 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:40.160 like my my, my wish fulfilment, you know. And I 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:42.960 show up at the studio and these guys are these 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.120 guys are real pop guys. I'm not a real pop guy. 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.120 I'm quirky. I'm more of a rock guy who sort 0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:50.920 of just has pop leanings, you know, And I show up. 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:53.600 These guys are like, I'm like, so, let's dig in. 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:56.600 Let's do something really vibeing cardigans and Feter's like, no, 0:40:56.640 --> 0:41:01.120 I don't. I'm not doing cardigans anymore. So wow, So 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:02.879 we we we said what should we do? We said, 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.040 let's write a song for one direction. Let's try that. 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.239 And I didn't know what that meant, you know, I mean, 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:08.799 I knew what makes you beautiful? That that was the 0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:10.840 extent of my knowledge. I thought it was an incredible single, 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:14.920 but this wasn't my forte. So I went outside and Bobby, 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.240 I got high, like I do in these situations, smoked 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:22.880 the reefer, and uh. I went outside and I just 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:24.920 started writing these words. I write these words, and I 0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:26.840 write an entire lyric and I'm bring it inside. These 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:28.520 guys have no idea what it's gonna land, you know. 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.600 And fifteen minutes I'm quick, you know, and I'm bringing 0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:33.840 in and the guy started singing, and he's got the 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:36.800 Swedish accent, you know, very thick. He's like, duh, you 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.560 remember somewhere all nine. I want to go back there 0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.080 every night. And when he's singing, I'm thinking, man, this 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.839 is this is like, this is like a Fellini movie. Man, 0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:49.759 this is not gonna this is not gonna stick, you know. 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.960 And uh, we finished this thing, finished the song, and 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.279 I thought a zero percent chance of landing. But I 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.080 was high and we you know, eat Thai food and 0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.719 they were nice guys, had a beer, and then I 0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.200 went home. The next day, they like, we're getting texts 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:05.560 from Simon Cowell and getting texts from Max Martin and 0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:09.520 Doctor Luke and everyone's like rock me Equal Smash. So 0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:11.239 secretly I'm like, oh my god, what have I been 0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.000 doing my life? Man? Because I've spent my life now 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:16.040 at this point, I've worked with, you know, everyone from 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.239 you know, I would say, like Train and dawtry to 0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:22.680 you know, Carol, you know, Tom Jones, to a million 0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:25.600 fun bands with funny t shirts and funny haircuts, and 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:27.399 thinking myself, why do I have to work with these 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:29.759 like soul sucking artists when I could just literally get 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.600 high and write like these little gibberish words and it lands, 0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:35.080 you know, So immediately the three of us become like 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:39.239 a reading writing configuration. Right, It's me Co, Jack and Peter, 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:41.680 and we're gonna We're gonna be the next writing team, 0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:43.879 you know, in La, and I've just moved La. Dudes, 0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.120 I'm new to all of this. You know. I'm from 0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.120 a very different thing in New York. And suddenly it's 0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.359 like teams in middle but you know, and I'll start 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:54.600 digging in and we write for thirty days straight. We 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.080 write the thirty worst songs ever written. And the crazy 0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:00.520 thing is, I'm the problem, not those guys. Those guys 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:03.040 are really good, but they're dialed in. They're like, let's 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:05.120 do Selena Gomez today. I don't know what that is, 0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:07.080 you know what I mean. So I'm sitting there and going, oh, 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.440 cool man, I'm gonna write like a Smith song, you know. 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.440 So I'm writing some Morrissey stuff. And they're like, wait, wait, wait, no, 0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.560 this isn't landing. It makes no sense. It's not logical. 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:16.880 I'm like, but it is. It's deep, you know. So 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:18.919 you can see the novelties wearing off. I'm flying back 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:21.480 to Boston, right and I'm on a plane to Boston 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.959 from LA and you know, Peter sends me a voice 0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:28.040 note and now he's cutting my verbal lungs because it's 0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.400 now he's giving me a lyric and it says, you 0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:34.080 must sing I got the got the goal I got 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:37.719 the gotta gotta and he's like, all these gottas right, 0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:40.239 And I'm on the plane and I'm literally sitting in 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:43.400 this seat and I'm gonna sweat. I'm so angry. I'm like, 0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:45.759 why is he making me sing gottas? I don't want 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:47.880 to sing gattas. I want my own words on this melody. 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:49.719 And so I text him in the plane. He's like, no, 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.600 it has to be gotta you, gotta gotta you kept 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.360 saying that back and forth. The weirdest exchange, one of 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:56.960 the things where like, how are we adults? And this 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:59.560 is what we get paid for, you know? And I 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:02.160 finally at the last text backfarth A, Yeah, I just 0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:04.279 don't feel this man. Those guys never worked with me 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.200 ever again. Okay, now here's the only problem. Driving my 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:10.480 kid to school a year later, and I'm listening to 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.520 kiss in La and Ariana grounds love me Harder, comes 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.600 on you gotta gotta love me harder, and I heard 0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:18.600 the gottas and I hadn't heard gotta in a chorus 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.200 like this repeated, and I just turned to my daughter. 0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.680 She's like six or seven. It makes by seven or eight, 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.319 And I was like, can you just type something into 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:30.760 my phone, just type writer Ariana gron love me Harder, 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:34.640 Peter's funds And so you know, I've played that one wrong, 0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:38.200 but that was my only fay in the one direction 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:41.000 and straight a hip hop stuff, and obviously it's probably 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:42.680 not what I do best. You know a song I 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.480 love as playing it on my radio show just a 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:47.799 couple weeks ago. It's a new Weezer song Records. That's 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:53.200 a fun duty And again it's so now that I've 0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:56.640 spoken with you and kind of hear the macro version 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.080 of what you're about. Even that song starts with what 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:02.160 that song is us. And when you talk about how 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:05.640 you perceive music and you want to get to what 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:10.600 to get too fast? I think old songs like Sweet Emotion. 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:13.080 It starts right Aaron Smith. Sweet Emotion starts with a chorus. 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.560 That's it. It comes back to that. But that's that's 0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.560 the heat of the song. When record starts, it's so 0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:21.360 hood you go for the jogular right at it. You know. 0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:24.880 The thing about records is um I started writing that 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:27.279 with Rivers during the pandemic on the front end in 0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:29.319 like late twenty or something like that. I was I 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:31.400 was in cape cod and I pulled out an acoustic 0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:33.319 and I was singing this idea and I kept singing. 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:36.920 I got records in my head of I felt like 0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:40.480 it could land, you know, and I got on zoom 0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:42.040 with them and we kept kicking it back and forth. 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:43.440 We kicked it back and forth about a year, a 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:47.480 year and a half, and it was amazing because I 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:50.600 really we kept debating. There was an internal debate. I 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:54.120 think about front loading the hook to that extent, but 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.520 that's why it works to me, like it's and the 0:45:56.640 --> 0:46:00.320 second hook just sonicla, a littlefficults, a little you know, 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.760 I got work, and then the second comes around because 0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:05.799 he pops the octave. Yeah, that's my trip, you know, 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:08.080 like man in my writing, it doesn't matter if it 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:10.040 was you know, when we were doing the Boys like 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.040 Girls are We the Kings or Metros any of those things. 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:14.120 Like the one thing I love is when a chorus 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:16.960 just explodes. I like melodies they're kind of static down 0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:19.160 sitting in a little box because that comes from the 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.440 hip hop stuff, right, So I love melodies that are 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:24.239 somewhat linear, and then that gives you room to just 0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:27.320 have like this big caboo sort of octave jumping records. 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:29.520 Does it right? Like that first chorus, you know if 0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:31.680 you like, oh, it's sort of restrained rivers, and then 0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:34.560 when he hits the top note, you're like, Wow, I 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:38.000 love Weezer. I wear I was visually impaired. My rideye 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:39.560 doesn't work, and I was like, man, there's nobody cool 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:43.680 that wears glasses. Right. Rivers hugellibration to me because I 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:46.840 was like, Oh, he's nerdy but awesome. He's so awesome, 0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:49.239 He's not nerdy, and I want to be that guy, 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.879 the coolest. And so here's my quick Weezer story. Yeah, 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.560 I worked on American Idol for four years as the 0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:59.000 head head mentor. I'd work with the kids, some young 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.640 adults on everything from song selection to how to sing 0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:05.319 it tempo, being interviewed. They just had me there as 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:10.680 the Swiss army knife. And at the end of every season, 0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:13.440 everybody would come in, all the big stars for it 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:16.840 for duets, right, and this partist would be with this person, 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.479 and Weezer was coming in. Now I had never met 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.080 anyone from Weezer, and I was freaking pumped. I'm jaded, 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.120 not in a way of I don't care, but I've 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:28.200 seen everybody. I know that most people that I think 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:30.160 are awesome in music, sometimes they're not. Sometimes they are, 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:34.120 but they're just normal folk. Sometimes abnormal, but not in 0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.359 the way you prefer. Absolutely, But as Weezer, right, there's 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.680 like three or four my whole life that I'm like, 0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:43.799 I would totally fan boy out. And Weezer's playing the 0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.080 finale of American Idol. So I'll let my producer know. 0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:48.359 I say, Hey, I'm just letting you know I'm a 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:51.120 massive Weezer fan. In the whole season. People have been 0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.839 in and out, but I'm not gonna go in, like, hey, 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.640 would you sign this like a picture? I said, Weezer's coming, 0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:58.360 and if it's cool, I'd like to walk out and 0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:00.919 just say hello. And they're like, yeah, of course. I thought, 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:03.040 like at your show too, there's five. There's five of 0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:06.360 you on this show is Luke, Lionel, Katie Ryan, and myself, 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:08.799 and so we kind of had free rein over everything, 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:10.200 and I said, I'm gonna walk out to the bus 0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:13.000 if that's cool. They're like yeah, sure. So they come 0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:14.560 in and I go to the record store down by 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:17.839 where the lot was and I get the blue vinyl Yes, 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.080 because that blue album for me was it was near 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:23.080 ami but right, it was right, Yeah, I mean it 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:25.480 was what I was. I'm a blue guy more than 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.160 picker and guy myself. It took me later in life 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:33.759 understand and appreciated so but Blue loved it immediately. I 0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.240 go get it big, Vinyl, I walk up. I'm nervous. 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:42.280 I'm an adult man, I'm nervous. Like yeah, I say, hey, guys, 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:45.439 mine's Bobby. I'll be working with you guys later tonight. 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:47.520 I'm the head mentor here and reckon, I don't I'm 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:49.399 not even gonna fake it. I'm just a massive fan. 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.960 Do you care if would you guys sign this? And like, yeah, 0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:54.280 come on in, And so I don't. I don't see 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.320 Rivers at all. And so all the other guys are around, 0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:00.200 and there's super cool and they're signing the man yet 0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:02.960 well where you from? From? Markets? Over? You guys? That 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:05.080 all the small talk, But to me it means a 0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:07.320 little more than that. To them, just another dude knocking 0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:12.000 on the bus door. And so the into the star bunk, 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:14.719 the door opens and it's Rivers. He just kind of 0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:16.120 opens it and kind of looks in and he sees 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:18.440 me and the little bit. He's been like, you know, 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:21.120 fixing his face there's like a mirror, like fixing his hair, 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:24.120 doing a little teeth thing, and I'm just going there. 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.399 He is of all the things that I can say. 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.080 It's like an elevator pitch and I'm not pitching anything. 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:31.440 I just want to let the guy know. But I 0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:32.919 don't want to let him know so hard that he's 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:36.399 creeped out. It's behind line, sure, but I never met him, right, 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.920 And so he looks at me, and I don't want 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:44.279 to go, hey, will you sign this? But I wanted 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:47.520 him to sign this, And so he goes back to 0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:49.720 just thing, looks at me again, and he starts to 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.480 take a step toward me, and I'm like you My 0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:53.759 heart starts to beat a little bit. I'm like, this 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:56.000 is my moment right here, It's time. He takes about 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:57.320 a half step forward and then shuts the door and 0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:02.600 goes back. And it wasn't toward me. It wasn't toward me. 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:04.640 It wasn't toward anything I did that, you know, I wasn't. 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:06.200 I was in his person. I ask you a question, 0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:07.839 Can I ask you a question? Yeah? Is that album 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.839 still unsigned? In that space? They sent it back with 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:12.680 him okay, and he was cool enough to sign it 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:13.880 all right, because I was going to take care of 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:16.360 that for you, you you know, And I wasn't upset. Actually 0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:19.640 I appreciated that because that was a dude being who 0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:22.000 exactly who he was. He's awesome. I gotta say something 0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:24.640 about Rivers, which is, you know, one thing I would 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:28.279 tell is Rivers Pat Monahan, you know, fits like a 0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:31.400 few of these cats who I really love and I 0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:34.959 pretty close with. The one thing I'll tell you about 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:36.399 all of them is the work ethic is like nothing 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:38.720 you've ever seen. Rivers writes like three songs a day, 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:42.120 like just absolutely just to permeate a Weezer record. For 0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:46.600 me is like Holy Grail, because honestly, I'm competing with 0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:50.120 the ten songs Rivers wrote last night. He's so prolific 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:53.680 and really good. And Monahan is the same way and 0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:55.880 fits the same way. These guys work so hard and 0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:58.839 we're all the same age. So the notion that, like, 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:02.080 you know, you can be this grown ass guy and 0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:05.360 just hit like aggressively wanted that bad and chase the 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:08.399 art that to that extent. Rivers I learned that from 0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:10.799 more than any other artist I've never seen somebody work 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:12.839 as hard as Rivers does. Next time we talk to him, 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:14.440 tell him I love him. It's awkward. I didn't get 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:15.800 a chance to tell him that it's a little awkward. 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:18.360 It'd be very awkward and say Bobby loves you. No, 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:20.440 I'm actually gonna say it. I'm like, dude, honestly, like 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:22.480 you shut the bus door on him, you kind of 0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:26.319 put the kind of bust him. You know. I met 0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:29.279 Pat probably January of this year for the first time. Wow. 0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:32.040 We were at a Pebble beach playing the play Pebble 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:35.560 Beach Front and so I guess this year they finally 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:37.719 thought I was famous enough to be invited. Yeah, I'm 0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:40.040 pitch on him and so, well, I appreciate that. Yeah, 0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:41.719 and so I go out. I heard he's not bad, 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.200 he's pretty good. Yeah, and so, but he was also 0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:48.239 super kind. He's a great guy, like overly kind to 0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:50.640 where I was like, man, you do not have to 0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:52.919 be this night. But he wasn't being anything that he wasn't. 0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:54.480 He's the best. And I went and ask a couple 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:55.520 of other friends that have played it. He was like, 0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:57.399 oh yeah, Pat Money and he's like the greatest dude. 0:51:57.440 --> 0:52:00.279 Oh no, he's my guy. Like iow Iowa pat so much. 0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:04.680 He's an incredible friend and honestly, he's always he's he's 0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:08.120 so funny, he's so quick, and he doesn't suffer fools. 0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:12.360 He's really he's brilliant. Let's take a quick pause for 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:17.000 a message from our sponsor, Wow, and we're back on 0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:19.400 the Bobby Cast. Bobby, one thing I did want to 0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:21.560 say to us in the six degrees between us, do 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:26.080 you know where we cross in the greatest way. You 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:31.919 gotta take this dancing with the stars. John Schneider, Oh yeah, 0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:34.600 I went to my high school, really, Dukes of Hazzard. 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:38.920 He is from upstate New York. Why nobody knows that fact, 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.200 I didn't know that. I'm going to throw that out 0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:44.040 for all the Foxes out there, But John Schneider attended 0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:46.319 Fox Lane High School. The reason I know that, which 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:49.239 is a little interesting aside, is I did always want 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:50.440 to get out and I wanted to get down the 0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:53.600 world and do something, you know, something loud in this business. 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:55.600 When I was in ninth grade, he took the bus 0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:59.040 every Friday after school and I'll go to the Bedford 0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:02.560 Hills Library and upstairs on the third floor, this a 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.440 little like beat up building. They kept old yearbooks like 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:08.759 the stacks from historically from our high school. So I 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:13.759 found both. There are our Illuminati where John Schneider and 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:16.680 Susan Day from the Partridge family in La Law and 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:18.719 I would find their yearbooks and then I would start 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:20.719 to create these composites in my brain of how we 0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:22.680 could have been friends and who they hung out with, 0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:23.960 them trying to figure out who they ung out with 0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:26.200 and stuffing. I just I was obsessed with it. So, yeah, 0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:32.000 the John Schneider reveals that shouldn't be from upstate New York. 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:34.520 They should have made sure medium money in mountains. Quite 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:36.600 good looking as it as a young guy. Yeah, I 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:39.200 looking older guy, but like really good looking younger. No 0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:41.960 one's ever accused me of that. I didn't know you're 0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:43.800 younger guy. I might fall in love with you then too. No, 0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:46.440 you know, I have big Doughey features and I've always have, 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:50.680 so they're kind of exaggerated. I wouldn't say cartoonium Ringo star, 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:56.759 He's a bully um Ringo star. Honestly show up at 0:53:56.800 --> 0:54:00.200 Ringo's house, you know, buddy, my Winston Simone with the 0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:03.320 great managers, my favorite managers ever in this business. Winston 0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:06.160 Simone connects me with a word had gotten out that 0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:09.120 Ringo was open to new collaborators because he's got a 0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:12.000 really tight circle. Right, It's Luca, Third's Joe Walsh. It's um, 0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:13.840 do you get nervous about the Ringo though you've been 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:15.799 with a lot of people, but it's a beatle okay, Ringo. 0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:18.919 I don't get nervous with anybody. And still, yeah, it's 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:21.680 probably you know, And that's honestly goes back to the 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:23.040 war whole thing. I think, you know what I mean, Like, 0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:25.239 when you're exposed to stuff so young, you just get 0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:27.319 kind of numb to it. Maybe nervous isn't the word. 0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:31.239 And I don't get nervous really either. Same again, but 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:33.680 still I was excited. But to meet Rivers, I was 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:35.960 definitely stoked, you know, like I mean's Ringo, you know 0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:37.759 what I mean? Like, but I was able to at 0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:42.200 least I was composed, which helps, you know. And I 0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:45.440 would say, I showed up to the house and we 0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:48.760 dug in, you know, and we sat down the couch 0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:51.000 and right off the battles like piece of love, Piece 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.080 of love. And then with like six seconds, it was 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:56.120 like he was grilling me, like the toughest job interview 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:59.120 in history for what reason. Well, I just think, like, 0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:01.880 you know, he probably, you know, he's got his guard up. 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:03.720 I think he's probably trying to figure out my motives 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:05.520 of why I'm so psyched to work with him, et cetera. 0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:09.760 You know. And it was very interesting because I really 0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:11.960 I tried to punch back whenever you'd say something, I 0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.080 try to say something weighty back, and it wasn't landing. 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:18.279 And I thought, okay, I've literally screwed up this one opportunity. 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:20.040 I'm in my car driving home and I said to him, 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:22.759 I said, look, I said, you know, I'm gonna go 0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:26.759 home and I'm going to write a song and if 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:28.399 you'll have me back tomorrow, i'll play for you said, 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:31.000 come at two o'clock. So I came back. I wrote 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:35.280 this tune, and my boy grand Michael's my engineer programmer 0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:38.440 as a writer, really talented kid. He reharmed what I 0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:39.880 was going for because I was trying to do some 0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:43.000 really randy newmany kind of chordal stuff, and I'm you know, 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:46.480 I'm somewhat limited. And I went and sang ringo the tune, 0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:49.640 and he's sitting there at Ringo and his engineer, Bruce Sugars, 0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:52.799 a engineer, producer, a great guy, and these guys are 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:54.719 just they dead pan me and I sing it, and 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:58.560 you know, my voice is, you know, isn't the sexiest tone. 0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:00.840 It's sort of like, you know, it's like the Budweiser 0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:04.799 commercial that you turned down, you know, And so I 0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:09.399 sing this thing for him and Ringo goes, that's absolute shit, 0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:14.880 and I was like, whoa, and he's so dry and 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:18.160 I'm trying to read him and he goes, no, I'm joking, joking. 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.040 I love it. I love it, he said, but you 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:22.919 know what, you sang me a song. I'm just gonna 0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:25.560 cut you a song. And I said, well, I didn't 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:29.680 sing you a second verse or a bridge. H And 0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:31.960 next thing, you know, he just ripped into it and 0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:36.040 wrote a second verse. And this guy like comes alive 0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:42.640 at a level I've never seen, and his energy is freakish. 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:45.160 He's jumping up and down, and I said, it's like 0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:46.600 one of these kids at a rave. You know, he's 0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:49.799 like po going and he's eighty at the time. Well 0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:51.879 he's probably seventy eight at the time. He's po going 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:54.600 up and down. The best physicality in the world. He's 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:57.640 running behind the kid. I'm watching Ringo play and his 0:56:57.800 --> 0:57:01.440 pocket is so nasty. He's doing all the sort of 0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:06.480 tricks they all did them, nasty, no embellishment, incredible feel, 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:10.520 his pockets crazy and he's doing all the hambercushion. They's singing, 0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:12.959 he's doing everything's running around the room and I looked 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:14.799 at it. It It was the first moment I really like 0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:18.440 felt like, man if this is how people age now, 0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:20.960 Like I'm alright with it, you know what I mean. 0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:24.959 And it's funny because I over appeared. You know, I've 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:28.400 worked with some some incredible greats of the era, right 0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:32.000 Carol King, Ringo on the OJS, Eddie Lavert my god 0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:37.800 Eddie and Walter h Tom Jones, Joe Cocker. One thing 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:41.080 I say about all these people, Mike love they all. 0:57:41.600 --> 0:57:44.760 They're the most incredible physical shape. It's humbling like every 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:46.680 single time, Like you know, I had a night with 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:50.200 the OJ's and we went out they played the Apollo 0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:52.160 Theater and then we all went out for drinks at 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:54.840 some hotel bar and it's two in the morning and 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:57.520 Eddie Laverte is gone. He's like, we're not done we're 0:57:57.560 --> 0:58:01.360 not done. He's dancing around more bloc goal. You know, 0:58:01.840 --> 0:58:04.720 these guys like they live it, and the fact that 0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:07.120 they have that energy makes me just feel so good. 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:10.480 As you know, as I hit thirty now, I felt that, 0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:12.800 you know what I mean? I got four final questions. 0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:15.640 Number one is I was watching my TikTok. Lets me 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:21.600 watch a lot of late sixties, early seventies, especially singer 0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:25.880 songwriter kind of acoustic. I want your TikTok that's where, 0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:27.880 that's where I live, and nineties wrestling. You know what 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.720 mine is? What mine's usually like. It's usually like a 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:33.600 young artist, usually from Nashville or something along the lines, 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:36.600 and it's like, hey, they're in their car and the 0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:39.480 cameras are gonna go, Hey, I just broke up with 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:41.760 my girlfriend today and I wrote a song about it. 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:44.000 You want to hear it. And then they do the 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:45.960 fake turn of the dial and then they lipsick a 0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:47.240 log to it for a second. They do a lot 0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:50.680 of hand movements, and that's when I just keep scrolling past. Sorry, 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:53.600 I digress. That's I don't live there. I see those 0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:55.720 sometimes said to maybe I don't live there. I want 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:57.240 to live where you live, all right, so go ahead. 0:58:57.280 --> 0:58:59.440 So I lives cool. Now loves cool because I see 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:03.760 a lot of Tom Jones singing, either live or like 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:07.920 on a television studio syste. I had no idea because 0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:10.280 the Tom Jones version that I know from my life 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:13.240 is older Tom Jones caricature. Yeah, he's a beast. He's 0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:16.160 a real soul singer, one of the best I've ever heard, 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:21.520 superstar good. I watched him and Ray Charles sing together, 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:25.120 he back and forth. Yeah, Tom Jones had all the 0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:27.400 respect I mean, like he's literally look, he's one of 0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:31.600 those British like sort of just like soul like it's 0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:34.680 so good. Yeah. No, it's funny because like his pop 0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:36.960 cultural presence I think is so different from actually the 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:39.840 core of his voice. He's a singer. And then I 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:42.040 heard him sing later, maybe like two years ago on 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:45.280 the voice in another country as an older guy and 0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:48.000 still sings something. I just had no idea. You know, 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:51.440 I'm like a fetishist for raspy vocals, you know what 0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:53.760 I mean. So coming out of the UK, there's all 0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:56.800 those those cats like Tom Jones or Chris Riya, who's 0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:59.320 like very forgotten, but Chris Riha, you know, certainly in 0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:01.440 the States over the he's big, but like it's a 1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:04.560 gravel and when singers come along and have that British 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:07.720 gravelly thing, Man, I'm the first guy at the record store, 1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:09.360 you know what I mean? Every single time it's my 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:11.960 favorite voice. Cocker. I mean, come on, it's like literally 1:00:11.960 --> 1:00:14.560 like like like literally like like if you're gonna sweat 1:00:14.600 --> 1:00:16.600 that much when you sing, I need to appreciate that exactly. 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:19.320 But Joe Cocker, like you know, you're one third of 1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:20.919 the way into a Cocker show. Or I would watch 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:23.080 him live. Didn't get to go watch him in person, 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:26.880 but I would watch Cocker live. You guys pouring sweat, 1:00:26.960 --> 1:00:29.640 like wiping himself down singing ballads. Well, the problem is 1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:31.880 like the bar was so high, you know, these guys, 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:34.760 the performance level and the and the and the way 1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:37.480 they just left it all out on the stage. And 1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:39.400 there are very few singers I would say the same 1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:43.000 thing about now. It's not the same level of commitment, 1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:47.000 you know, like Cocker's thing was unbelievable. It's just and 1:00:47.080 --> 1:00:50.120 to cover a Beatles song, you're right right, and there 1:00:50.120 --> 1:00:51.920 are a lot of and listen, I love a lot 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:55.200 of Joe Cocker, but I think how ballsy to cover 1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:59.240 a Beatles song period, but then you do have big 1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:01.400 balls when you do it, and you nail it. I 1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:04.240 mean it's it's one of the greatest covers ever. And 1:01:04.400 --> 1:01:07.400 the intro it's so was it the Wonder Years it 1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:09.440 was it was ahead of Yeah, so you know it 1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:12.040 was you know, once against that intro. I mean you 1:01:12.040 --> 1:01:14.320 are so like, that's an intro that'll suck you in. 1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:17.920 You instantly know that record wrap the bat and I 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:20.640 mean his commitment level on the vocal and I'm with you, man, 1:01:20.680 --> 1:01:23.400 like I feel like, um, I feel like when people 1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:27.920 bludge in um classics, it's um. You know, that's just 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:31.400 it's it's a it's a no can do for me, 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:32.800 you know what I mean, it kind of sucks you 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:34.720 in it at the beginning of all of his songs, 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:36.920 I mean, even going You are So Beautiful to Me 1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:40.840 right comes on and it's and it's so you It's 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:43.760 just it's that first vocal note and you're like, well 1:01:43.760 --> 1:01:45.920 this is different, but you can leave your hat on 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:47.200 or any of the eighties stuff. I mean, it was 1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:51.640 just consistent, you know it um really really and one 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:53.560 of the greatest singers. I didn't get to know him 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:55.320 or anything. He just cut one of the songs, but 1:01:55.840 --> 1:02:00.360 he uh, he's incredible. You know. So my book that 1:02:00.360 --> 1:02:03.160 I wrote was called fail until You Don't, and it 1:02:03.280 --> 1:02:05.440 was basically me just screwing it right and some of 1:02:05.440 --> 1:02:07.040 the complations we've had, I knew the answer for. I 1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:08.640 would just want to walk down it with you. But 1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:11.360 I knew. Listen, you your rap care didn't go well 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:14.840 at DJ. You know you weren't near as good as I. 1:02:15.080 --> 1:02:16.480 Let's be honest. You know I've made a big career 1:02:16.480 --> 1:02:18.120 out of this and you've done fair at what you're doing. 1:02:18.160 --> 1:02:20.480 I do have a face for radio, so you have 1:02:20.520 --> 1:02:23.000 all But why why was it important to you in 1:02:23.040 --> 1:02:29.280 this book to showcase the difficult times as the main theme? 1:02:29.400 --> 1:02:33.680 I'll tell you because, um, you know, my daughter's seventeen, 1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:35.720 so what is that gen z or whatever? You know. 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:39.720 I'm scared for these kids because when you have, when 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:41.760 you have so much technology at your hands and so 1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:44.600 much everything is just pulling at your attention twenty four 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:47.200 hours a day. I'm scared that these kids might not 1:02:47.280 --> 1:02:49.320 have the same work ethic because I think they might 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:51.760 get just constantly pulled and like, hey, I don't want 1:02:51.760 --> 1:02:53.120 to do this very long, and maybe I'll do this 1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:54.640 job for six weeks, and maybe I'll do this and 1:02:54.720 --> 1:02:57.040 quit this and quit this and quit this. And I 1:02:57.120 --> 1:03:02.240 stuck something out against improbable odds, and it was the 1:03:02.240 --> 1:03:06.040 greatest decision in my life, and I think I believe there. 1:03:06.800 --> 1:03:08.600 I want to speak to two people with this book, 1:03:08.640 --> 1:03:11.560 one to the youth, just to say there is a pathway, 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:14.640 but I want you to be aware of what you're entering. Right. 1:03:14.680 --> 1:03:16.800 You have to understand you're going to get failed two 1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:20.400 thousand times two thousand Knows Matt Tell, Negrom and Buddy's book. 1:03:20.440 --> 1:03:22.240 It's like two thousand knows. It's just the truth. You're 1:03:22.320 --> 1:03:26.520 gonna You're the rejections. You have to use them as scars, 1:03:26.680 --> 1:03:28.000 you know. You have to take those scars and take 1:03:28.040 --> 1:03:30.600 those calluses and have them fuel you to go forward. 1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:33.880 But if you don't have that wiring, and if you're 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:35.919 going into this delusion, they thinking okay, Like once again, 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:37.720 like I got TikTok famous last night, I had a 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:40.480 song and went viral, blah blah blah. You don't understand 1:03:40.520 --> 1:03:42.160 what you're in for. If you want to do this 1:03:42.280 --> 1:03:44.600 as long as I've been doing it. The rejections will 1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:47.160 mount at a freakish level, and I just want people 1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:49.000 to be aware of it. But there is a way out. 1:03:49.640 --> 1:03:51.880 And the other thing is I really want to reach 1:03:51.920 --> 1:03:54.320 anybody who has creative wiring who just might have packed 1:03:54.360 --> 1:03:56.520 it in early, you know, because I was blessed, Like 1:03:56.600 --> 1:03:58.280 I came up in the city and you know, we're 1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:00.520 in these village in New York, and I would say, 1:04:00.760 --> 1:04:02.480 if I came up with like a hundred cats in 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:06.120 that time, you know, five six of us left doing it, 1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:07.720 you know what I mean. Like most people went on 1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:11.680 to different things, some because they lost interest and others 1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:14.440 because they just couldn't feasibly make it work anymore. I 1:04:14.560 --> 1:04:16.000 kind of want to speak to those people and say, 1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:18.400 you know, give it another shot. Give it another shot. 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:22.000 It's not you're not done by any stretch. Because honestly, 1:04:22.440 --> 1:04:25.160 if you are as tenacious about it as I was, 1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:28.200 you can probably you know, I don't know what goal. 1:04:28.280 --> 1:04:30.080 You know, you have to ascertain your own goals, but 1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:32.800 like you could, you know, you could do something special. 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:36.160 It's just here's case in point of somebody who was 1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:38.520 like moderately gifted at best when he started and just 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:42.000 got better, you know, third question of four why now, though, 1:04:43.240 --> 1:04:46.480 because I felt like I was still like mildly culturally relevant, 1:04:46.560 --> 1:04:50.640 and my fear was, you know, in a decade from now, 1:04:51.520 --> 1:04:53.880 some of these songs might not have the same residence, 1:04:54.000 --> 1:04:55.800 and I want to do it when people actually might 1:04:55.880 --> 1:04:58.400 still take my phone calls, you know, including a publisher. 1:04:58.440 --> 1:04:59.520 It's like, you know, I don't know if a book 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:01.160 do it, you know, ten years from now, if a 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:04.320 publisher would have been interested. But also, look, we're in 1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:06.439 such a crazy time right, We're entering into the AI 1:05:06.600 --> 1:05:11.120 phase and all these other you know, technological advances, they're 1:05:11.120 --> 1:05:14.160 gonna just absolutely affect the music. It's just obvious where 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:16.560 all the stuff is headed. And it felt like a 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:19.600 nice moment to pivot creatively for a second and to 1:05:19.720 --> 1:05:22.320 just get out of the fray, clear my head. Right, 1:05:22.360 --> 1:05:24.120 everything this is all me. There's no co writers or 1:05:24.160 --> 1:05:27.360 ghost writers. It's literally three hundred zillion pages of my psyche. 1:05:27.920 --> 1:05:30.200 But I felt like this was like a rinse out 1:05:31.000 --> 1:05:33.840 and then I'm going to come back like just stronger 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:36.440 than ever because I feel so creatively sort of motivated, 1:05:36.480 --> 1:05:39.160 because I needed the break. My final question it's just 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:40.720 two words with the question mark at the end of it, 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:45.840 Harry's close Baha Man. Question one. All right, so you 1:05:45.960 --> 1:05:49.000 guys are all very familiar with who let the dogs out, 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:51.120 so let's not make it weird between us. Couldn't be 1:05:51.200 --> 1:05:53.920 more Yeah, So I didn't do that one, Okay, I 1:05:54.440 --> 1:05:56.360 did the follow up. It was called move It like This. 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:01.520 It was recorded the Bahamas with the Baham and a 1:06:01.600 --> 1:06:03.880 couple little fun facts for you. Won the Bahaman stole 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:06.800 my headphones and didn't return them, which was kind of dark. 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:08.840 So if you ever like our ent cruise ship and 1:06:08.920 --> 1:06:12.520 you see one of the Bahaman guys wearing a nice, 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:16.000 nice pair of Panasonic phones from back in the day, 1:06:16.120 --> 1:06:18.600 I think you could make a case for me. Second 1:06:18.640 --> 1:06:21.200 of all, we did get yelled at we're in the Bam. 1:06:21.600 --> 1:06:25.280 There was a McDonald's in the Bahamas and me and 1:06:25.440 --> 1:06:29.360 Mike Mangini, my buddy, and Dave Shomer we were working 1:06:29.400 --> 1:06:31.760 with these guys and we had a twelve Newton session 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:34.840 and Mike walked through the door at twelve o two 1:06:35.080 --> 1:06:37.640 carrying a couple of bags of McDonald's for us, and 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:42.240 the leader of the Bahaman screamed at him about being 1:06:42.440 --> 1:06:45.200 late and that McDonald's should never be a priority. And 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:47.160 by the way, I remember I didn't learn from mistakes, right, 1:06:47.200 --> 1:06:49.800 I've learned from mistakes. I have never let McDonald's be 1:06:49.840 --> 1:06:52.960 a priority, and you know my bookings. Ever again, you 1:06:53.160 --> 1:06:56.000 never know where you will learn something from a Bahaman. 1:06:56.880 --> 1:06:59.600 It could be in the Bahamas with the Bahama men. 1:07:00.280 --> 1:07:01.920 You know. I gambled down there. We went to the 1:07:02.240 --> 1:07:04.760 we went to the paradise. What's called the what's accompassment? 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:07.760 What's what's the big casino? And uh robin down there 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:09.880 about the casino? I trust it. There's a casino, so 1:07:10.120 --> 1:07:12.960 you know. And I won like nine hundred dollars, which 1:07:13.040 --> 1:07:15.520 was so huge for me. And I'm so cheap. You know, 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:18.800 everyone's goating me. They're like double down, double down. I'm 1:07:18.800 --> 1:07:21.720 like nine hundred dollars. This is a new stereo. And 1:07:21.800 --> 1:07:23.040 I took it back to New York and I bought 1:07:23.080 --> 1:07:26.440 this shitty stereo. It's amazing, prodest moment of life. Listen, 1:07:26.520 --> 1:07:28.200 this has been I could do this for two hours. Hey, 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:30.080 we've done over an hour here. I'm just a massive 1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:32.760 fan of your word. Brother, I'm a bigger fan. And honestly, 1:07:32.920 --> 1:07:34.680 this that you have no idea much means to me man, 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:36.680 you're a you're a you're an icon, You're a beacon 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:39.600 of light for the community. And also you did great 1:07:39.600 --> 1:07:41.760 work with music music. It's on call, which I know of, 1:07:41.880 --> 1:07:44.440 so it's awesome. Well thanks, I appreciate the time. Everybody 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:47.120 twenty one hit Wonder if they want to order it, yeah, 1:07:47.240 --> 1:07:50.280 I mean just go to Amazon and you know and 1:07:50.840 --> 1:07:53.080 order it. And um, if they have any questions that 1:07:53.120 --> 1:07:55.080 can always hit me on the Graham. I'm on the Graham. 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:56.880 Just give out your number of text you Yeah, they can. 1:07:57.200 --> 1:08:01.440 You know, it's great. They're good. All right, you guys 1:08:01.480 --> 1:08:04.439 follow Sam Sam Hollander on Instagram. Twenty one hit Wonder 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:06.680 is the book? And you still making money off all 1:08:06.680 --> 1:08:08.320 these songs? It still come in. I progress and sold 1:08:08.360 --> 1:08:10.960 my catalogs. Did is that in the news? And how 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:13.360 much it was? I would never let that out, but 1:08:13.680 --> 1:08:15.960 you know it was great. So I did it twenty 1:08:16.200 --> 1:08:20.120 nineteen to Hypnosis and um sold at all? I did 1:08:20.280 --> 1:08:27.360 over ten million, Um, it doesn't matter, Okay, all right, 1:08:27.400 --> 1:08:30.879 it's always said to my daughter, over ten million dollar hairs. 1:08:31.400 --> 1:08:35.040 So no, I did great and um and everything I 1:08:35.120 --> 1:08:37.160 have going forward since two thousand nineteen is mine and 1:08:37.200 --> 1:08:39.519 hopefully I'll sell another one. But what it did was 1:08:39.560 --> 1:08:41.200 it really freed me up to do things like this 1:08:41.479 --> 1:08:43.400 and you know, just be a better human. When did 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:47.240 you write records? Um, that's twenty twenty one, so I 1:08:47.360 --> 1:08:48.960 owe on records. We're on the way, We're on our way. 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:53.880 That's records in my hit jam, Sam, thank you, Thank 1:08:53.920 --> 1:08:57.600 you for having me. Guys, thanks for listening to a 1:08:57.720 --> 1:08:58.919 Bobby Cast production