1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, hey, or hang which means high and buy 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: in in noukta tut which is the language of the Inuit, 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: cool and nutgor meek for listening, which means thank you. 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: Stumbled across some awesome like tourism videos for none of utu, 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: which 're like, here's some simple phrases. Do you want 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: to go now? Is it on our travel list? Oh? 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to go to the Arctic. Okay, I'm 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: very excited to go to the Arctic one day. Alaska, 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: Northern Canada, North Pole, I'll go. Would you go to Antarctica? Yeah? 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: I would totally go to Antarctica me too, My mom. 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't like the cold, obviously, but it's different. Yeah, 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: it's freaking Antarctica. Yeah, no, you you have to go. 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: I like the cold. I mean I don't think anybody 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: likes that cold, but I don't think it was like, oh, 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: I feel so cozy in this structure that's barely keeping 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: the my blood from freezing. My mom once was like, listen, 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: I want to go to Antarctica, but ad refuses to go. 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: Will you go with me? And I was like, yes, 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: I will go, And so she was talking to me 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: about it She's like, listen, there's a hot springs. There's 21 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: a hot springs that you can swim in. And I 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: was like, okay, so the water is warm, but what 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: about getting out and getting in like that? There's a 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: whole part of the hot springs that I'm not interested in. 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: And it's the kidding. I would just would be like, 26 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: I live in this water now, I guess because I'm 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: never getting out. Well, um, we're so excited to bring 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: you to the Arctic, not the Antarctic. Today. We're gonna 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: go north, north, north, as far north as people have been, 30 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: I mean, pretty much more or less, and we're going 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: to tell the story of totally two and pere Vic, 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: who were two Inuit villagers who got to travel to 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: England and America and work as guides for British and 34 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: American explorers who were trying to uncover the mysteries of 35 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: the Arctic. These two had a totally unbeatable spirit. They 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: had amazing survival skills, and that was pretty much enough 37 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: to keep even the most inept sailors alive through circumstances 38 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: that seem basically totally unsurvivable. So I say we jump 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: into this story. It's so exciting. I really want to 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: hear all about these two snowbirds and their incredible adventures. 41 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: So everybody bundle up. We're stepping out into the snow. 42 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: Let's go. Hey the French, come listen. Well, Eli and 43 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: Diana got some stories to tell. There's no match making, 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: no romantic tips. It's just about pridiculous relationships, a love 45 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: it might be any type of person at all, and 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: abstract cons that tour concrete wall. But if there's a story, 47 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: were the second glance ridiculous role. That's a production of 48 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. So okay, we're talking about the Inuit today. 49 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: We're talking about way Northern Canada. Um, and the language 50 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: up there is enocta tut and we are gonna swing 51 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: for the fences with this and do our best. There 52 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: are some great pronunciation guides out there. There's some cool 53 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: videos that teach us a little bit um and then 54 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: we're winging it on some of them based on uh, 55 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: those pronunciation guides, kind of being like, I guess this 56 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: vowel is pronounced like this, doing our best, but um, 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: but it's really fun, like it's actually kind of a 58 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: cool language to listen to, and uh yeah, I'm excited 59 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: by it, and of course if you are Inuit, let 60 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: us know something. We would love to correct that later on. 61 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: But totally two was born around eighteen thirty eight on 62 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: Baffin Island, which is like way northeast Canada, right across 63 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: the Davis straight from Greenland. Now in Baffin Island, currently 64 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: they have an average temperature of eighteen degrees fahrenheit, but 65 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: in July it can get all the way up to 66 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: forty eight. So you know, don't don't pack your speedos 67 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: away just yet, because you will break a sweat just 68 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: real quick. For our metric using friends a lot of joke, 69 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: is an average temperature of minus eight degrees celsius, which 70 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: in July can get all the way up to positive 71 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: eight plus eight. Yeah, like, I don't know, I guess metric. Sure, 72 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: I guess water freezes at zero and boils at a hundred, 73 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: But I don't know why it's so hard to just 74 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: remember that water freezes at thirty two degrees fahrenheit and 75 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: boils at two and twelve degrees. That's very simple, right. 76 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: So the man who would eventually become to Kalitu's husband 77 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: was born about two years earlier on the other side 78 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: of Baffin Island near Cumberland Sound. His name was a 79 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: pier Vic. A lot of English whalers came through this 80 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: area and they had a relatively positive relationship with the 81 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: Inuit there, and probably should have said this earlier. But 82 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: side note, the name for the indigenous people of Northern 83 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: Canada in this region is Inuit, which is the plural 84 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: form of Enuk. So you are and Enuk were part 85 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: of the Inuit, yes, as I understand it. Yeah, And 86 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: Inuit means people, So saying Inuit people is redundant. It's 87 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: just a machine, yeah, exactly. Yeah. And Inuit, as I've 88 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: come to understand it, is not a blanket term for 89 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: all of the Native people of Northern Canada. Um, First Nations, Mati, 90 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: and Inuit are sort of the three different groups. Oh 91 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: I thought First Nations was the blanket terms. No, apparently 92 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: first People's is a blanket term for all three of 93 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: those group. But the First Nations are a different group 94 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: of people than the Inuit or than the Mate. That's 95 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: very interesting, yes, uh, And it's more complicated than that, 96 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: and I won't be the one to explain to you. 97 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm just reading about it this week. So anyway, it 98 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: peer Vic was familiar with English whalers at a young 99 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: age because they were always coming through Cumberland Sound where 100 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: he grew up. And at some point, surely he said 101 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: to one of these sailors, hang I uvanga peer vic ativa, 102 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: which means hello, my name is a peer Vic in 103 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: my terrible enough to touch language. Um and the English 104 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: then responded, but I have no idea what you're said, 105 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: so we'll just call you Joe. Joe. That's not even close. 106 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: They gave him the nickname Joe, and that pretty much 107 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: stuck with him for the rest of his life. In 108 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty two, when she was about fourteen years old, 109 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: to Kali two started learning English from a British whaler 110 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: named William Barron. It's likely that a peer Vic was 111 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: already familiar with English since he had, you know, grown 112 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: up around these English whalers. Um And at some point 113 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: to Kali too and a Piervic were married. With living 114 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: conditions being so difficult, marriage was more of a necessity 115 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: than a choice in Inuit culture. Marriages were often arranged 116 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: at a young age, sometimes at birth, and young women 117 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: were eligible for marriage as soon as they hit puberty. 118 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: While men usually were closer to seventeen or eighteen years old, 119 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: and they had to prove themselves to be an effective 120 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: hunter before they could marry. It's very interesting to me 121 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: that you're sort of like, okay, you can now have babies, 122 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: so that's all that's required. You need be able to 123 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: provide for the babies, so prove yourself. Um. Sort of 124 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: similar to the Powhattan tribe as well. Well. It was 125 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: such an episode, you know that. What I read about 126 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: Inuit culture back then especially was it was it's very 127 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: much about the community. Everything you do is so your 128 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: individual community can thrive. The idea of marriage reproduction these 129 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: were all about like how can we survive up here, 130 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: because that's constantly what they were thinking about because they're 131 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: terribly difficult situations to survive in all the time, and 132 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: there's not a traditional, fancy ceremony, marriage ceremony or anything 133 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: like that. Often a couple would be considered married after 134 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: the birth of their first child, and marriage was all 135 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: about uniting the community. As you just said, Husbands and 136 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: wives both could ask for a divorce, but it was 137 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,239 Speaker 1: frowned upon because it wasn't good for the community at large. 138 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: Tugalito's sister Inuluapeak had traveled to Scotland in eighteen thirty 139 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: nine with a whaling master named William Penny. This would 140 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: have been just after Tigalito was born, so took Alito 141 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: grew up here and about that, and she always wanted 142 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: to take a similar voyage. Lucky for her. In eighteen 143 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: fifty three an Englishman named John Bowlby showed up. Now 144 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: he had been a wine merchant, but now he was 145 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: experimented with the fishing industry. It was everyone was getting 146 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: into the Arctic and whaling and fishing and all this stuff, 147 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: and he wanted to capitalize on that. And his plan 148 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: was to build a whaling station just off Baffin Island. 149 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: So he goes there and meets the Annuit people and 150 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: took Alitu and a pier. Vic were well known as 151 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: good translators and they were well known as tough adventurous 152 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: types as well. So John Bowlby met them and was like, hey, hello, 153 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: maybe I should come back to England with me. And 154 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: this was the opportunity of a lifetime for them. So 155 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: they packed up and set sail for England. And in 156 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: England they stayed in Hull on the East coast, north 157 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: of London with the family of the ship's doctor, William Getney. 158 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: Now it was common at the time for native people, Inuit, 159 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: native amare, Amricans, Indians, Africans, basically any non Western European 160 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: people to be quote unquote exhibited in world's fairs or 161 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: expos as curiosities or explorers might bring a few natives 162 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: around as like a fundraising ploy when they were trying 163 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: to raise money for a voyage. Step right up, folks 164 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: and see who I found. See who I found? And 165 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: white people would come pay to see these folks in 166 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: their native clothing, speaking their own language, or giving some 167 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: like cultural demonstration, which is funny because they're like, I 168 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: would pay to see this, but not leave you well 169 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: enough alone to do it everyday life. That's where I 170 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: could see it for free, maybe if you're my neighbor, 171 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: But that's fascinating. Your culture is so interesting to me. 172 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: Now I'm going to destroy it and assimilate you into mine. Yes, 173 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: So of course, you know, it wasn't always for these 174 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: exhibitions or whatever when not always performed willingly by these 175 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: indigenous people or Africans or whomever they were trying to 176 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: put on on display. But Fortunately in this instance, To 177 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: kally To and A pierre Vic were willing and paid 178 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: participants in these demonstrations, so yea for them. They even 179 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: saw Queen Victoria and Prince Albert in London. Um Arctic 180 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: stuff was particularly exciting in England at the time because 181 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: everyone was swept up in Franklin fever. Oh Franklin fever. Now. 182 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: The Franklin Expedition was the third and final expedition of 183 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: a British polar explorer named Sir John Franklin. He wanted 184 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: to sail through the Northwest Passage, so cutting west from 185 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: England and through all those messy clusters of islands in 186 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: northern Canada all the way over to Asia. So this 187 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: would have kept them from having to go all the 188 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: way down south around Europe and the southern tip of 189 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: Africa to get to Asia. So it was just a 190 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: way shorter route. Everyone was trying to make it work. 191 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: They had all these plans. They were like, we can 192 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: do it, and Sir John Franklin decided he was going 193 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: to be the guy to do it. So they left 194 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: in eighteen forty five, but the expedition was a huge failure. 195 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: Their ships were trapped in the ice and eventually the 196 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: entire crew died. England, who didn't know the fate of 197 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: the crew, offered twenty thousand pounds sterling to find and 198 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: rescue survivors. That is a little over checking here two 199 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: million US dollars today. Wow, that's quite a reward. Yeah, 200 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: So obviously this became a big deal and everybody's talking 201 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: about it. Through the eighteen forties and fifties, over twenty 202 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: expeditions would set out to either rescue the crew or 203 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: find out what happened to them. So all this talk 204 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: about Arctic exploration of northern Canada, of course made to 205 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: Kalitu and a pier Vic extremely popular. Yeah. Everyone was like, 206 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: I can finally see people, the people who lived there 207 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: with my own two eyes, right, and should be said 208 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: that I don't know they were paid. It may not 209 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: have been great. They I'm I would definitely call this 210 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: exploitation no matter what you're doing, because they toward these 211 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: guys around and said, give me your money to see 212 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: them and I'll go find more, you know. But um, 213 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: but they did seem to love it. They did seem 214 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: to have a really positive attitude about their experience in England. Um. 215 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: And they seem to just really enjoy it. I mean, 216 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: these these one thing we'll see what Tookali too and 217 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: a pure vic is their spirits are unbreakable and they 218 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: are eternal optimists, and you know, coming from the Arctic, 219 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: I think that's understandable. Maybe, like it's probably really hard 220 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: to get them down because look at where they live. True, 221 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: they're like I have to be happy e three day 222 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: and see the best in everything, or else I'd be like, 223 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: why do I live on a frozen rock? It's probably 224 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: nighttime for like five months out of the year, I imagine, so, 225 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: or at least very long, long, long nights. So yeah, 226 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: you've you've got to If you sink, you're not you're 227 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: not coming back up. So yeah, they probably are very 228 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: good at staying upbeat. It's just appreciating things well and 229 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: you're not you're you're What you said about them being 230 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: exploited is just kind of calling up for me all 231 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: the side shows and also racial representation that we've talked 232 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: about in the last few episodes, because it might be 233 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: like that they're like, well, we're not getting paid much 234 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: or whatever, but it's really helpful for people to see 235 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: that the people do live in the frozen wildlands and like, 236 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're normal human individuals. So even if they're 237 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: not getting paid much, you know, maybe they felt like 238 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: it was a good thing, you know, for people to 239 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: see them. And okay, so John Bowlby knows he's got 240 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: a hot ticket and his two Inuit friends and he 241 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: takes them around Hull in London doing these showcases for 242 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: everyone to see and meet a real in UK person. 243 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: And I p Vic was described as an intelligent, quiet man, 244 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: self willed who may be led but not driven, and 245 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: they said he was quote a close observer of all 246 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: that passes. He sounds like a strong willed but like 247 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: strong was silent type, maybe kind of reserved, but he 248 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: sees all, he knows all kind of energy. And Tokuli 249 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: too was described is quote active, sprightly and full of 250 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: fun and that quote her laugh is a joyous laugh. 251 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: So I love this couple already. He's just like chilling, Like, okay, 252 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: that guy's definitely sleeping with that Guy's why his first 253 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: thing when he gets to England is to like Bravo 254 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: analysis to Bravo, and he's like to Chukuli too, and 255 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: she's like, oh for real, like that hat and they 256 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: seem to really enjoy their time in England, especially to 257 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: Kuli too, who adapted well to English culture and style. 258 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: We found a crowd fun site for a film from 259 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: a few years ago by ronelta our Luck, who's an 260 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: Inuit actress and director, and she said that tokal too 261 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: liked the style she learned about in England, so she 262 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: would wear a bonnet and a bustle and carried a 263 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: parasol and all that kind of like English style stuff. 264 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: But she would take the patterns home back to Baffin 265 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: Island and make the same style clothes out of steal skin. 266 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: So she was like adopting the other cultures that she 267 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: learned and appreciated, but she would take it in without 268 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: losing her own culture. And Renolds has said quote in 269 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: as an Inuit woman, that's still very hard to do. Yeah, 270 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: image After spending two years in England, they had become 271 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: fluent in the English language, and then they even converted 272 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: to Christianity. Many Inuit who came to Europe, either voluntarily 273 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: or forcibly, ended up getting sick. Of course, many died 274 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: even just from being exposed to these foreign diseases. You 275 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: can imagine they don't have as many viruses hanging out 276 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: in the below freezing temperatures in the right. So they 277 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: come out to the two warmer climates and yeah, classic, 278 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: I mean that even happened for the colonists came they yeah, yeah, 279 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: But peer Vic and Tokly two were lucky. They were 280 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: totally fine. They thrived, and after two years they decided 281 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: they were going to go back home to their old lives. 282 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: I Pervic got back and worked as a hunter, occasionally 283 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: picking up work as a translator or a guide for 284 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: the whalers that came through Cumberland Sound. And soon a 285 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: whaling ship would come by with a man aboard who 286 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: was going to change their lives forever. And we will 287 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: meet that guy right after this commercial break, and welcome 288 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: back to the show. Welcome back to the snow. I 289 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: should say, I see what you did there, because we're 290 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: in the Arctic. Peer Vic and Tally two's lives changed 291 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: forever when they met an American sale named Charles Francis 292 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: Hall in eighteen sixty. And this guy was a lot 293 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: of things. He was born around eighteen twenty one somewhere 294 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: in Vermont or New Hampshire, and he started out young 295 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: as a Blacksmith's apprentice. Then sometime in the eighteen forties, 296 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: he married, had two children, and eventually moved to Cincinnati, Ohio, 297 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: where he started a business as an engraver. Then in 298 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: eighteen forty nine he published his own newspaper called The 299 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Occasional. And after publishing a few stories about the 300 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: Franklin Expedition, which was of course the hot news of 301 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: the time, so you had to run some stories about that. 302 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: They liked it or not. But he got obsessed with 303 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: the story and suddenly he was a total Frankloholic. He 304 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: could not get enough of this. He couldn't get enough 305 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: of stories about polar exploration, and he started dedicating his 306 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: time to learning everything he could about the Arctic. I 307 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: love that his He started a newspaper and he called 308 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: it The Cincinnati Occasional, which is like kind of setting 309 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: yourself up and be like, you'll get an issue when 310 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: I get around. I'm ready, the st the Cincinnati Daily, 311 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: the st the Cincinnati Weekly. It's the Cincinnati Occasional. Listen, guys, 312 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: I'm doing this for fun. It's a hobby when you 313 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: get it homemade zine. I'm doing just really just thinking 314 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: the exact same thing. I was like, we should have 315 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: called our show occasional. I would really take the pressure off. 316 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: By eighteen fifty seven, he had this stack of research 317 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: all about the Arctic, about any expeditions that went out there, 318 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: and every piece of info he could find about the 319 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: Franklin expedition specifically, and he decided, you know what I'm 320 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'm gonna go find the survivors of 321 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: the Franklin expedition. Make make way, folks. I want to 322 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: make two million dollars. Yeah. Bear in mind Franklin's ships 323 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: had disappeared over a decade ago at this point, but 324 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: this wasn't a crazy endeavor because things moved way more 325 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: slowly back then. It was so normal to not hear 326 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: anything from these exploring ships for a very long time. 327 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: That Franklin's mission was gone without any contact with England 328 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: for three years before anyone even started to worry. Yeah, that, 329 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: but that was like, you know, so long, goodbye, we'll 330 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: hear from you in a decade or so. Who knows, 331 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: you know, there's not like there's a postal service, there's 332 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: somebody to take carry a letter back right exactly exactly so, 333 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: And they knew that once you get into that region, 334 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: everything slows down because sometimes you just have to weigh 335 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: anchor for months and just wait for the weather to change. 336 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: And with all that, it also wasn't totally impossible that 337 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: the crew was stranded and surviving somewhere, either with the 338 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: Inuit or maybe just on their own, like like some 339 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: kind of Gilligan's Island on ice um, which would have 340 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: done a much more boring show. I mean, Gillian's Island 341 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: on It would be kind of fun though, to see 342 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: this tropical paradise set, but they're all on skates. I 343 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: don't know. Well, yeah that would be good. Yeah, I 344 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 1: don't know about Gilligan's Island, uh with an Arctic setting. Yeah, no, 345 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that would be a little buddy, professor, 346 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: we're going to have to eat eat the professor. So 347 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: do you think anyone thought of that? And then they 348 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: were like, no, we need the girls in bikinis. Is 349 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: often Oh yeah sure, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be like, 350 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: are do you like Marianne or ginger mar like if 351 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: there's their difference. I just see a parka, just walking parka. 352 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. So okay, So Hall has got no 353 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: experience sailing. He's got no experience exploring, he's got no ship, 354 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: no crew, but he has a hundred percent committed to 355 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: finding these guys. So what does please give me the 356 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: confidence exactly? And what is someone with no money or 357 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: experience do to break into the hottest industry of the day. 358 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: He starts crowdfunding. Oh yes, he set himself up a Kickstarter. 359 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: He's like, hey everyone that here's here's your second update. 360 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone who pitched in so far. I'm gonna 361 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: throw in an enamel pin for as a new park 362 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: for anyone who decides to give over a hundred dollars uh, 363 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: and if you give over five hundred I will send 364 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: back as signed block of ice after in a in 365 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: a plastic bag. Right, guys, I'm adding to the stretch goal. 366 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: I'll send you your own piece of whale blubber. N 367 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: I take a few months to get to you, and 368 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: you won't want to eat it when it gets If 369 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: you haven't if you haven't received your block of ice 370 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: or whale blubber in three years, that reach out. So 371 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: after about two years, Hall had crowdsourced a little stack 372 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: of cash, his primary benefactor being Henry Grinnell, a merchant 373 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: and philanthropist, and he sold his newspaper and that was 374 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: enough for him to get a spot on a whaling 375 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: ship that was heading out to Cumberland Sound, right near 376 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: bath An Island. The ship was called the George Henry 377 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: and it was captained by Sydney Buddington. Of course, Charles 378 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: Hall was a complete amateur. He had very little support 379 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: on this voyage. But his belief was, you know, if 380 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: I can live among the Inuit, then anyone could have 381 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: survived with them. He's like, I'm an idiot, I have 382 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: no experience. My paper comes out occasionally. So if I 383 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: can survive with the Inuit, anyone can. Like So his 384 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: idea was basically like, let me go put myself amongst 385 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: the Inuit, and if I end up not dying, then 386 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: I know then I've got a shot at finding the 387 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: Franklin expertise. I've been well. So in eighteen sixty the 388 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: George Henry arrived at Baffin Island, haul hopped off the 389 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: ship and walked into a coastal Inuit village which just 390 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: happened to be the home of a peer Vic and 391 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: to Kali too. Now in their early twenties, they walked 392 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: out to meet Charles Hall, and he's like, greetings, I 393 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: am American. I come in peace. Can you teach me 394 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: the ways of your people? And they stared him for 395 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 1: a second and then they're like, yeah, man, sure, like 396 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: come on through, I'll show you where we hang our coats, 397 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: like you want a beer? So he's like, oh, ship boy, 398 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: it's my face red from frostbite problem. I was just 399 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: about to say maybe he was embarrassed, but I'm not 400 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: getting the impression that this guy gets embarrassed. No, I 401 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: don't think Charles Hall knows how to get embarrassed. Great, 402 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: I will take a beer, thank you so much. I mean, 403 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: haul hit the jackpot landing here with Tokali too and 404 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: beer Vic because are totally versed in British culture and 405 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: and you know a good bit of American culture as well. 406 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: They speak fluent English, and they've had experience sailing with 407 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: white explorers. So the two of them hit it off 408 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: with Hall right away. Also, remember they're like the friendliest, 409 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: nicest people in the world at this time, I think, 410 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: and they're just like, yes, welcome, please, I I love you. 411 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: They're like immediately just hugs and jokes. Right. They all 412 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: go back to their home to get to know each other, 413 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: and Hall says, you know, probably something like, hey, so 414 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: how are you all doing. My name's Charles Hall. What 415 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: are your names? And she says I'm too Kalito. And 416 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: Hall is like, oh uh, you know what, how about Hannah? 417 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: What if your name is Hannah? That's too hard to say? 418 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: And peer Vic says, well, a lot of people call 419 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: me Joe, but my name is a peer Vic and 420 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: Hall writes down, got it Joe beer bing Beer being like, no, no, no, 421 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: I said it pere Vic. He said, yeah, yeah, that's 422 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: what I said it Beer being where the fund did 423 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: you get a bee? From? Charles being where are you tying? 424 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: So but that is true to this day. Most of 425 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: the writings, you'll see them referred to as Hannah and 426 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: Joe at beer Bingo, and they even, I mean they 427 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: seemed to like this. I mean they kind of adopted 428 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: the names, and they even signed their letters Hannah and 429 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: Joe especially, I mean their letters to other white people. 430 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I mean, you know, I think 431 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: at the time it was a cute thing for them. 432 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: They were like, oh, that's cool, we got our own 433 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: like American names. That's fun. What's sort of like I 434 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: took Japanese in high school and they all got to 435 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: choose our Japanese. Same with French. For me. Yeah, my 436 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: friend was like, you should be Suco because it means 437 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: little flower, and I thought it was so cute compliments 438 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: I got in high school. But I me. We were 439 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: given a list of names in French class to pick, 440 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: and I picked Serge, uh specifically because I thought it 441 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: was funny that it sounded like Surge, which was a 442 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: hot soda at the time. What's so funny about you 443 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: saying that is that I immediately thought of Beverly Hills 444 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,239 Speaker 1: Cop three because Eddie Murphy has a French friend who 445 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: calls Surge instead of Saragh keeps correcting him, of course, 446 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: and then he goes, Surge sounds like a detergent. I was. 447 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: I looked out because with my last name Banks, so 448 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: I was early in line to pick names. We just 449 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: she just went through the list and was like, we 450 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: all had the same list of names. She went down, 451 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: everyone tell me what yours is and I said Serge, 452 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: and I heard four other guys go, oh man, I 453 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: wanted to be Surge alright. So Joe and Hannah a 454 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: beer being took him in. They showed all their ways, 455 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: and for two years he lived with the Inuit, and 456 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: as an avid writer, he documented more about their culture 457 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: and their lives than any visitor before him. His journals 458 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: describe their traditions, their oral histories, their language, and details 459 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: of how they managed to survive for so long in 460 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: such a seemingly unsurvivable climate. Yeah, that would be fascinating. 461 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: I mean, you were describing some of the Igloe stuff 462 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: and ship I was like, the igloos are so interesting 463 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: to me because just I'll do a quick side note here. 464 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: Igloos were not traditionally like their main houses. They usually 465 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: used them as shelter when they were hunting, you know, 466 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: when they were going to be gone from their village 467 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: for a while. And you build ice blocks up in 468 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: a in an eglue shape like you're thinking, and um, 469 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: it keeps the wind out and it holds body heat in. 470 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: And when you're in there at night sleeping, your body heat, 471 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, fills the igloo and it starts to kind 472 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: of melt the ice a little bit, and then when 473 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: you leave in the daytime to go hunh that ice 474 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: freezes again and it solidifies the igloo more and more 475 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: so that the longer you spend in it, the more 476 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: sturdy and hard the structure gets. So it's it's brilliant. 477 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: I mean the way they come up with these things. 478 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: You have to drill air holes in your otherwise you'll 479 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: fill it with carbon dioxide and you know, suffocate yourself. Um, 480 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: but they they could build fires in these igglues. That's 481 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: so cool. So you had no idea. I literally thought, 482 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: it's just so ice house and it's freezing in there, 483 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: and like, why would you live like that? No, it's great, 484 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: although I didn't read that their villages they usually used 485 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: whalebone and skins to build their more permanent homes. I'll 486 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: also say, just because of Charles Hall is very interesting 487 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: interpretation of a pure bicks name. I'm not sure that 488 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: I really find his language notes to be very very reliable. 489 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: Like yeah, it sounded like they said, I think it's 490 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm yeah or something. But the longer Charles Francis Hall 491 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: lived with the Inuit, the more he was convinced that 492 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: the crew from Franklin's voyage could still be alive. Um. 493 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: He dressed like the Inuit, he drank, he ate their food. 494 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: He adopted their lifestyle quickly, and he again knew if 495 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: he could do it, anyone could do it. And during 496 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: the two years that he stayed, Pierre Vic and Tukuli 497 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: Too helped him travel and map much of the Frobisher 498 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: Bay area on the south side of Baffin Island. He 499 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: found some evidence of British explorers around this area, but 500 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: all from earlier expeditions in the sixteenth century, nothing from 501 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: the Franklin expedition. I love I love that he shows 502 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: up and he's like, oh, all I found was some 503 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: three hundred year old this is worthless the water. So yeah, 504 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: he did. He needed to get to King William Island 505 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: and that was not going to happen on this trip. Meanwhile, 506 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: tukule Too and peer Vic, we're getting a taste of 507 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: the difference between a American and British whalers. To kuli 508 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: Too once wrote to Charles Hall quote, I feel very 509 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: sorry to say that many of the whaling people are 510 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: very bad, making the Inuits bad too. They swear very 511 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: much and make our people swear. I wish they would 512 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: not do so. Americans swear a great deal more and 513 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: worse than the English. I wish no one would swear, well, funk, 514 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. It's true. My ass is the one 515 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: telling this story. Would not. She would not for this show. 516 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: She was so friendly, but she would have been like, damn, 517 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: that girl, she's so nice, but she swears so much. 518 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: Said damn, that's true. That girl. Girl is so nice, 519 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: but she's a mouth like a sailor. Then, in eighteen 520 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: sixty two, to Kali Too and at Parvik gave birth 521 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: to their first child, a baby named Tara Leaky Talk 522 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: and that means butterfly. Hall wrote of him, quote, I 523 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: never saw a more animated, sweet tempered, bright looking child 524 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: likely to be remembered by all who ever saw him. 525 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: Hall invited to Khalitu and a Piervic, along with their 526 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: newborn son, to go back with him to the States 527 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: to raise money for his next expedition, and they become 528 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: good friends. At this point, and because of Hall's infectious enthusiasm, 529 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: the two of them were pretty much getting super invested 530 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: in finding the Franklin expedition too. And they got back 531 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: to the States and just like in England, they were 532 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: brought to exhibitions, and this included Barnum's American Museum in 533 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: New York. City run by P. T. Barnum, and they 534 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: were advertised as the quote first and only inhabitants of 535 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: these frozen regions ever brought to the United States, And 536 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: of course it was sensationalized and totally inaccurate and probably 537 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: pretty racist. And in fact Hall did stop bringing them 538 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: to these big exhibitions because there wasn't money up front. Uh, 539 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: it was a little too sensational, and he was worried 540 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: about their health, it says in some sources, so he 541 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: stopped doing those big extravagant expeditions and instead took them 542 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: on this lecture tour of the East Coast with him 543 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: that that's probably, yeah, you could control a lot more 544 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: about a lecture tour than you can yeah, and probably 545 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: take more of the money for yourself, I think was 546 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: a big part of it. Probably name your price, right. 547 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: But in terms of the Barnum exhibit, they had to 548 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: be there three times a day, for two hours each time, 549 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: every day of the week, so it was like a 550 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: noon to two, four to six, and seven to nine 551 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: kind of thing they had to do three times a day. 552 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: People paid twenty five cents to get in, which is 553 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: only about eight bucks today, and then of course they 554 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: switched over to this lecture tour, and when they weren't 555 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: on the road doing that, the Inuit family stayed with 556 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: Captain Sydney Buddington in Groton, Connecticut, and they totally fell 557 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: in love with this town. To Kali too became especially 558 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: good friends with Mrs Buddington, and she referred to her 559 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: as her pretty mother. Soon totally too was like a 560 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: celebrity within the Buddington's circle of friends, and they all 561 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: said that she was quote full of frolicsome and comical 562 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: ways except for the swearing. I think I could totally 563 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: hang out with too curb in the tongue. Look, you 564 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: do good with kids mostly mostly except when I slip up, 565 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: I'll go fuck. I'll be like, damn kid, oh shit, fuck. 566 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: It just gets It's all that time on the whaling 567 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: ship you spent the sailors, you know, so Tokuly to 568 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 1: peer vic Entree k tuck toward the East coast with 569 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: Hall as he gave lectures and raised money, but it 570 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: took a real toll on all three of them. Buddington 571 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: told Hall he wanted to bring them back up north 572 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: on his next trip out of concern for their health, 573 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: but Hall fought with him about it, he said it 574 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: was unnecessary, and then sadly, in the spring of eighteen 575 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: sixty three, Tara Leak Talk, who was still an infant, 576 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: died of pneumonia in New York, and he was buried 577 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: in Groton, Connecticut, not far from the Buddington's home where 578 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: they had been staying. And Tukal too was understandably inconsolable, 579 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: and it suggested she was even suicidal, but eventually she 580 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 1: regained her health and the next year, in eighteen sixty four, 581 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: they went with Hall on his next exhibition to King 582 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: William Island, and they toured Rose Welcome Sound, trying to 583 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: find Inuit guides who were more familiar with the islands 584 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: in this area, but they weren't nearly as willing to 585 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: help him travel as a pure Vic and Tukuli too were, 586 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: but the two of them helped him communicate, and he 587 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: started to learn more about the Franklin Expedition crew who 588 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: had come through there nearly twenty years earlier. At this point, 589 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: but it was difficult to return to the ice. Tukul 590 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: two was missing the warm years they'd spent with the 591 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: Buddington's in Connecticut. In July of eighteen sixty four, Tukali 592 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: too wrote a letter to them, saying, quote, Mrs Beddington, 593 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: how are you. I've been sick three or four day. 594 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: I like to come see my pretty mother during this time. 595 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: Homesick Joe lame back and leg sometime he can't rest 596 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: in night. I'm sorry for him. I think of him 597 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: every day, sometime better, sometime very hard time. I love that. 598 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: I love that. Um yeah, I think that's one of 599 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: the clearest examples of how they felt about each other too, 600 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: Like they were really close. I think it's interesting that, 601 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, I read that they don't necessarily mary by 602 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: choice or marry out of love. They said it did 603 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: happen sometimes, but because there were so few people, it 604 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: wasn't like you had a lot of options. But I 605 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: think that those bonds must have formed just out of adaptation, 606 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, like you had to really care about everyone 607 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: because you were all like a single thing living up there. 608 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: You know, like you're almost these villages almost a single 609 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: organism in terms of how close and connected everyone was, 610 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: and if one person doesn't well or if you didn't 611 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: like somebody, that could ruin it for everyone. Um. But 612 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 1: I so, and then seeing them together on these trips. 613 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: It's I thought it was nice to read this and 614 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: hear her say, like I think of him every day, 615 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: I'm really sorry for him, Like it's kind of sweet. Yeah, well, 616 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: you do see that with arranged marriages all the time, 617 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: love does form and grow over the years, and especially 618 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: in their In their case, you know, they're being brought 619 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: together and kept together by some extreme circumstances, not only 620 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: in their regular life, but also with all these expeditions 621 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: and like going out there being the only two Inuit 622 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: people around. I'm sure that was they became a great 623 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: comfort to each other. And they lost a child together. 624 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: Either bind you or separate you, but I think in 625 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 1: this case they probably were really clinging to each other 626 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: for a lot of comfort in a strange place. A 627 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: few years later into this journey to King William Island, 628 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: par Vic and Tokuli too had another baby, who also 629 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: died in infancy after a long, difficult sledding trip. A 630 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: little bit of tragedy, a lot of tragedy for them 631 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 1: in the family family way. Definitely, definitely, it's just those 632 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: I you know, I couldn't speak to how common that 633 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: was or anything, but I imagine those could those conditions, 634 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: it's got to be hard to keep a baby alive, 635 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: I mean insane, Yeah, because you especially on these expeditions 636 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: where they're like, well, we might just end up having 637 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: to sit here in the snow for six months, or 638 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: we might have to take this sledding trip a thousand miles, 639 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,479 Speaker 1: you know, into the ice, and you don't know what's there. 640 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: You don't know what's there. Yeah, you can assume, but 641 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 1: you don't know, right, you're literally going to find out. 642 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: It's sort of like how it was going around the 643 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: internet got viral for a minute a couple of years 644 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: ago about how women in Iceland will leave their babies 645 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: bundled up in a full leave them outside like a 646 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: coffee shop or something while they go in and have 647 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: a drink. And people are like, what, this is insane, 648 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: you know, but of course in an Icelander where I'm 649 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: guessing I'm I think I'm guessing Iceland. But they were 650 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: kind of like, well, you have to get them used 651 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: to the cold. I mean this is where they live, 652 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: like they need to be feeling warm in Groton, Connecticut. Right. Yeah, 653 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: So this whole expedition took a whole five years and 654 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: in eight sixty eight, which is about four years into it. 655 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: They had a huge argument which broke out between much 656 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: of the crew and Charles Hall, and he ended up 657 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: shooting and killing a man named Patrick Coleman. Because Hall 658 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: claimed that they were trying to mutiny, he never faced 659 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: charges for it. I can't imagine that that made things 660 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: less awkward for the trip home, but um somehow they 661 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: pressed on and when they finally reached King William Island, 662 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: Hall finally found some of the crew from Franklin's expedition. 663 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 1: All his work and paid off. He was like, oh, 664 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: you're here, except just one little problem. They were skeletons, 665 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: so he couldn't exactly ask him what happened. And with 666 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: no survivors discovered and very little evidence as to what 667 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: did happen to them, their expedition was at an end. 668 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: They were not going to find the Franklin. It was 669 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: time to go home, and so they packed up and 670 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: set sail back for the States. On their way back, 671 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: the ship stopped at an Inuit settlement called iglu Leak, 672 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: which means there is a house here. I think it's 673 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: a great name for a town. There is a house 674 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: here that's like the town I grew up in and 675 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: upstate New York. It was like there there is a 676 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: house here. Don't don't blink or you'll miss it. And 677 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: in iglu Leak, they met with another Inuit couple named 678 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: te Lee Comb and poo Kinning who had a two 679 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,439 Speaker 1: year old daughter named Is. A guy took and it's 680 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: not clear why the couple was willing to do this, 681 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 1: but at Hall's suggestion, took ale To and a Pirevic 682 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: adopted their little girl. Um. Apparently initially the mother was 683 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: super into it and the father was resistant, but Hall 684 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: gave them a sled in exchange, which was a pretty 685 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: mus been nice sled deal because they were both like, 686 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,959 Speaker 1: all right, now this sounds like a good idea, and 687 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: yeah it's strange. Um, I think he was just like, 688 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: these these guys need a kid. They've been through a lot, 689 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: and they need a kid. And I think maybe speculation station, 690 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: maybe this couple didn't want or was having a hard 691 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: time with a kid or something. For whatever reason, they 692 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: were willing to do it. As they adopted this girl 693 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: and they called her Panic, which is simply enucta tut 694 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: for daughter. Now, Hall of course had to do his 695 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: thing and give her an American name, which was Sylvia Grinnelle, 696 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: a beer being named after his benefactor, Henry Grinnell. So 697 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: he was like, well, she gets an American name too, 698 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna throw Henry's name in there because he 699 00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: keeps giving me money. They returned to Groton, Connecticut in 700 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,879 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty nine, and this all American family, Hannah, Joe, 701 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: and Sylvia bought a two story house for three hundred dollars, 702 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 1: which is about six thousand, one hundred dollars today, And 703 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: just for reference, the median home price in Groton right 704 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: now is three hundred and fifteen thousand dollars, so pretty 705 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: good deal. And in Groton, Joe worked as a carpenter 706 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,280 Speaker 1: and Hannah as a seamstress, and they hoped to settle 707 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: down and live a nice, warm Connecticut life together. But 708 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: two years later, in eighteen seventy one, adventure called once again. 709 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: After the Civil War ended, the American government got very 710 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 1: interested in the global race to the North Pole, and 711 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: with Henry Grinnell's support, Charles Francis Hall caught the attention 712 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: at President Grant, who named him a man with survival 713 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: skills but no academic background in traveling and no experience 714 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: leading men or commanding a ship. The commander of the ship, 715 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: great idea. And when we come back, we'll join them 716 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: on their most dangerous, harrowing, ridiculous voyage yet an absolutely 717 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:24,240 Speaker 1: catastrophic journey full of ice, snow and murder. So bundle 718 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: up and we'll be right back. Welcome back to the show. 719 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: So everyone's trying to be the first to the North Pole. 720 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: It's the space race of the day, right, and America 721 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,280 Speaker 1: thought this guy, who did have a ton of experience 722 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: sailing in the Arctic and certainly never shut up about it, 723 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: should be the one to do it. Right. It was 724 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: all over the Cincinnati occasionally, every once in a while, 725 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: occasionally it was talked about. So the ship and the 726 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: expedition were both named the Polaris. And of course, because 727 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: Hall had no sailing experience and he knew it, he 728 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: knew he was going to have to be super selective 729 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,720 Speaker 1: in choosing his officers and his crew. He mostly hired 730 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: whalers who were experienced with sailing Arctic waters, and these 731 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: were salty gruff sailors who had a different kind of 732 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: discipline than the British vessels who used mostly military crews. 733 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: For these kind of voyages. So he's like, you know, 734 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: he's probably smart in terms of who he's picking for 735 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: being able to navigate these waters. But also these were 736 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: not guys who were easy to control. Um, they were 737 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: not trained like disciplined sailor types. They were like, I 738 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: do what I want because that's how we survived, Like teamsters, 739 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 1: you know, like they were like this, this is how 740 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: it's done, boss. But for his sailing master, of course, 741 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 1: he knew he had to get Sydney Buddington, who had 742 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: been his captain on his on the George Henry back 743 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: in his earlier voyages. Even though they had fought a 744 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: whole lot in the past and didn't seem to actually 745 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: like each other very much, he knew that like, Sydney's 746 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: my boy. That guy is going to be able to 747 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: do a good job. This guy knows what it's like 748 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: to sail up there. So he picked him. And Buddington, however, 749 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: was like, oh no, please, please, no, don't make me 750 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: go with I don't don't make me go with this 751 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: guy again. But when another one of his contracts fell through, 752 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: he had to say, yes, do it. In the time 753 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: that Buddington wasn't going after he turned him down. Charles 754 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: Hall asked another guy named George Emery Tyson to do it, 755 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: who also said no. But then Sidney came back and 756 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: said yes, and then Tyson came back and said yes. 757 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: So Hall's asked a few too many questions, He's made 758 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: a few too many offers, and so to make up 759 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: for this, he just makes up his position for Tyson 760 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: and he calls him the assistant navigator. And basically what 761 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: this meant was that this ship had three people who 762 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: thought they were in charge. Terrible, terrible idea. So a 763 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: pere Vic and took to couldn't turn down Hall for 764 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: this trip. But they brought their adopted daughter Panic along 765 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: with them and they left in June seventy one and 766 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: immediately had problems. Before they even left the Brooklyn Navy Yard, 767 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 1: the cook, a fireman, and an assistant engineer deserted the ship. 768 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: They were like, wait, where are we going? Never mind, 769 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 1: I distinctly heard you, says I thought we were going 770 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: to the Caribbean, and the ship Steward was immediately discovered 771 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: to be a drunk and was left behind. The doctor, 772 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: a German named Emil Bessels, thought Hall shouldn't be in 773 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: charge at all, and Tyson, the assistant navigator, wrote in 774 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,319 Speaker 1: his diary that a lot of the crew didn't like 775 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: Charles Hall and quote already some have made up their 776 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 1: minds how far they will go and when they will 777 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: get home again. So they were like, I mean, I'm 778 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: along for as long as I feel like being there. 779 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 1: You don't tell me what to do. So it was 780 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: just a messy bunch all around, like nobody on this 781 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: I bet Tuculi too and a peer Vic. We're like, 782 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 1: do y'all not know about the community thing? Y'all not 783 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: familiar with how we all have to live together and 784 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: about The only people on Hall side were too Couldly 785 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 1: too and a peer Vic. Everybody else kind of just 786 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 1: saw him as this micromanaging jerk right. Particularly to and 787 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: a peer Vic were old friends of his, and of 788 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: course they just saw the good in everyone, Like like 789 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: you said, they were more about like, well, yeah, but 790 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: we all have to get along the community here. Why 791 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: would I focus on your worst qualities when I'm supposed 792 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: to live next to you for the life and let 793 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: me find what's good about you and focus on that. 794 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense. So nevertheless, they pressed on 795 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: and in early September, they crossed the ropes and Canal 796 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 1: and set a new record eighty two degrees eleven minutes north. Now, 797 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,879 Speaker 1: no white man had ever been closer to the North 798 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: Pole at this point is they're really feeling good about themselves. 799 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: They really made it far. At this point, the three 800 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,919 Speaker 1: commanders started to argue about what to do next. Hall 801 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: and Tyson agreed that they should sail further north to 802 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: minimize the amount of time they would have to spend sledding, 803 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: but Buddington's thought that was too risky for the ship. 804 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: They should anchor here and start sletting north from here. 805 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: In the end, Hall and Tyson one out. But as 806 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,280 Speaker 1: they sailed north and winter got worse, they were forced 807 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: to anchor the ship, which was exactly what Buddington was 808 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 1: trying to avoid. They ended up in a place called 809 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,439 Speaker 1: Thank God harbor. Whoever named it was like, thank God, 810 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: there's a harbor here. Yeah. Right. At this point, Hall 811 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,760 Speaker 1: decided that he was going to go ahead on foot, 812 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: kind of scout out the area head see if they 813 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: could sled up to the North Bowl from here, and 814 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,720 Speaker 1: he would have taken Tyson with him. They were getting 815 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: along better than anyone in Buddington at this point, but 816 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: he told Tyson, quote, I cannot trust Buddington alone with 817 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,320 Speaker 1: the ship, so he asked him to stay behind and 818 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,399 Speaker 1: keep an eye on him. Literally, maybe Buddington will turn 819 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 1: and leave while we're gone, or maybe he'll just you know, 820 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: screw everything up. Because Buddington's may have been an Alca Hollick. 821 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: There's some evidence in the cruise testimony afterwards that he 822 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: was stealing liquor from the ships stores, including alcohol from 823 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 1: the science lab that they were using to preserve specimens. 824 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: So that that's the sign of a serious alcoholic when 825 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: you're drinking. Yeah, yeah, that's fairly bad. Although it makes 826 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,880 Speaker 1: me think this ship steward must have been a really 827 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: bad drunk and they realized it before they even left, 828 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,240 Speaker 1: and they had this guy chart. Maybe Budington was like, listen, 829 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: it takes one to know why that guy out of 830 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: here is Melbow Crooker. So Hall took two sleds, his 831 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,760 Speaker 1: first mate Chester, a peer Vic and another Inuit guide 832 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: named Hendrick, and they left on October tenth for the 833 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: sledding expedition to see if they could make it to 834 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 1: the North Pole, and Tookoli too, stayed behind to take 835 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: care of their child. Panic. Hall sent Hendrick back on 836 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: day two with a bunch of instructions for the rest 837 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: of the guys. For example, he told the doctor, who 838 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,840 Speaker 1: was a scientist with three degrees, don't forget to wind 839 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,320 Speaker 1: the clock. And he left Buttington, who was a sailing 840 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 1: master with over two decades of experience, a lengthy to 841 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,840 Speaker 1: do list while he was away, And this was the 842 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 1: kind of micromanaging that made everybody hate him. Seriously, you're 843 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: a manager, remember Charles Hall, and don't be like that. 844 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that. He like that. They 845 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: left and two days later he was like, you know what, 846 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta I gotta something to say 847 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: to these guys. He's been thinking about it this whole time. 848 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: I should have left them something to do there. What 849 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 1: are they going to get up to while I'm gone? 850 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: Not work, that's for sure. So they were gone for 851 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,399 Speaker 1: two full weeks and when they came back, they had 852 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,400 Speaker 1: a nice cup of coffee and a Pierrevic took his 853 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: to his room to drink, but at ten pm, to 854 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 1: Kali two came to get a peer Vic and told 855 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: him that Hall was very sick and vomiting and he 856 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't let anyone see him except to Kali too. He 857 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 1: was convinced someone on the ship had poisoned him, and 858 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 1: to calit You told him, you know, why don't you 859 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: go see the German doctor who's sitting right here and 860 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 1: meal vessels. But Hall was like, that's probably the guy 861 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 1: who tried to kill me, So no, I'd like to 862 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: not see him. And for a few days he was 863 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,320 Speaker 1: terribly sick, just vomiting and feeling weak and tired of aching, 864 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: and his left side all hurt. It was crazy, but 865 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: he started to improve. A couple of days later he 866 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: was getting better. He was back on his feet, and 867 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 1: on November four he was able to go above board, 868 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,360 Speaker 1: and finally he relented. The one of the other officers 869 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 1: convinced him, like, you've got to go see vessels. He's 870 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,279 Speaker 1: our doctor. You're sick, Like, can we just forget all 871 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: all this? And and you go talk to the doctor 872 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: and he says, all right, I'll do it. And then suddenly, 873 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,840 Speaker 1: after seeing vessels, he started to get sick again. A 874 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,720 Speaker 1: few grueling days later, Charles Hall vomited, collapsed and died. 875 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 1: Now Bessel's diagnosis was apoplexy, which is a dated term 876 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,799 Speaker 1: they don't use anymore. That meant like a ruptured organ 877 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 1: or a stroke. They took him ashore and they had 878 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: a formal burial, but the mission wasn't over. They needed 879 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,279 Speaker 1: to press on. But now Buddington's was in charge, okay, 880 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 1: So of course things got way worse. Morale and discipline 881 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: totally diminished. Buddington was drunk all the time, although Tyson 882 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,799 Speaker 1: started to drink a lot more too, and one of 883 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,399 Speaker 1: the crewmates even stole and made a copy of Buddington's 884 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,080 Speaker 1: key so that they could all steal liquor from the stores. 885 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,560 Speaker 1: Do you think get any point anyone opened the stores 886 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: and like, there's no fucking They must have brought so 887 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: much to have several drunks, and the whole crew was stealing. 888 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,600 Speaker 1: There must have been a lot of booze when they left. 889 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, when you're picking out your 890 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: provisions that remember one thing. At some point we're gonna 891 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: have to sit in the snow for six months, so 892 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: there was no set bedtime. Everyone was just doing as 893 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,240 Speaker 1: they pleased. It was total chaos. And then Buddington decided 894 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,680 Speaker 1: to start handing out firearms to everyone. Nobody knows why. 895 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,400 Speaker 1: It was just like we're all getting drunk, so have 896 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,200 Speaker 1: a gun. You got a gun. You got a gun. 897 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: Let's add freaking weapons to that. Just total nonsense going 898 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,080 Speaker 1: on in this ship. In January, Tyson wrote in his diary, quote, 899 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 1: last month, such an astonishing proposition was made to me 900 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,319 Speaker 1: that I have never ceased thinking of it since, enough 901 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 1: to make Captain Hall stir in his ice cold grave. 902 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: He wrote that he and the first mate agreed that 903 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,399 Speaker 1: the proposition was monstrous and unthinkable, and he never said 904 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,800 Speaker 1: specifically what they were talking about, but Canadian writer Farley 905 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 1: Mowitt suggested that the proposition they're talking about was that 906 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: they would fake the rest of their journey to the 907 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000 Speaker 1: North Pole and just cartend they had made it. That's so, 908 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, for for someone whose job this is, 909 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,720 Speaker 1: you can imagine, that is like the craziest thing anyone 910 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: has ever said to you. Yeah, you want us to 911 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 1: just go back and lie about it and have the 912 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,279 Speaker 1: whole world like hail us as heroes for something we 913 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: never did. That sounds like a nightmare. I mean, I 914 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to sleep at night, you know, right well, 915 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,040 Speaker 1: and at this time, you know, there were lots of 916 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:30,080 Speaker 1: guys that had this sense of honor where it was like, oh, 917 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,279 Speaker 1: you know, I could call an eye and kill an 918 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,760 Speaker 1: entire coasts worth of people, but if I cheated cards, 919 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm a real asshole, Like you know what I mean, 920 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,919 Speaker 1: I would never do something terrible. So I agree, I'm sure. 921 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,799 Speaker 1: I'm sure he really did think like to go back, 922 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,120 Speaker 1: And as you say, I didn't think about that. To 923 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,000 Speaker 1: be hailed as heroes for something you never did certainly 924 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 1: be really uncomfortable. That would weigh on you. You were 925 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,400 Speaker 1: a right well. They chilled out until June until some 926 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: of the men set out in a smaller boat to 927 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: try and get to the pole, but the boat was 928 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,440 Speaker 1: crushed by ice and they were forced to walk back 929 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: to the ship. Another mini team set out, but within 930 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,080 Speaker 1: days Buddington's got cold feet and sent a piervic to 931 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,000 Speaker 1: bring them back, and so they had to abandon their 932 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,879 Speaker 1: boats and walk back to the Polarists once again, and 933 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,960 Speaker 1: now they were short for lifeboats. God, so the Polaris 934 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,240 Speaker 1: mission was over. They were like, we're done with this. 935 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,719 Speaker 1: We are not going to get to the North Pole. 936 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 1: Is not even a hot mess, it's a cold mess. 937 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,799 Speaker 1: I guess at this point, they were just like we're well. 938 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 1: Buddington already was like, I'm stugged down with this. I'm 939 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,760 Speaker 1: going home. I've had We're out of booze. I'm getting 940 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,080 Speaker 1: out of here. Tyson was like he hasn't got the 941 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,520 Speaker 1: bottom for this voyage. Tyson was pretty bummed out about this. 942 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,880 Speaker 1: He really, I think, wanted to go on and finish. 943 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,359 Speaker 1: He wrote, quote what opportunities have been lost? And there's 944 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: a there's longer quotes about how he's just like, this sucks. 945 00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,760 Speaker 1: Somebody's going to get to the North Pole at some point, 946 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,799 Speaker 1: and I'm going to be mad that people got in 947 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: my way and it couldn't have been me. Well, and 948 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 1: they were already all the way up there and had 949 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,400 Speaker 1: already been through all this stuff. I'm sure it's like 950 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of sunk cost fallacyies like, no, I 951 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,480 Speaker 1: have to make it so seriously, seriously. So they turned around. 952 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,160 Speaker 1: They started to head south back to the States, but 953 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 1: in October Buddington ran the ship into an icy sandbar 954 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,360 Speaker 1: and they started taking on water. So he was drunk 955 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 1: mending white possible, I mean almost definitely drunk sailing. He 956 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: starts ordering cargo to be thrown overboard so that they wouldn't, 957 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,879 Speaker 1: you know, sink, they could lighten the ship, balance things out, 958 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,879 Speaker 1: and booie the ship. But because they sucked so bad 959 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,520 Speaker 1: at discipline and order and they just there was no 960 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 1: clear chain of command, everything was just chaos and they're 961 00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,479 Speaker 1: just throwing stuff over overboard with no one telling them 962 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,319 Speaker 1: where or how to throw it. So they ended up 963 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 1: losing a ton of cargo. Like everything they jettison basically 964 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,320 Speaker 1: it was never seen again. Meanwhile, pere Vic Tukali to panic, 965 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,839 Speaker 1: Hendrick Tyson and fifteen other crew members. We're all out 966 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,080 Speaker 1: on the surrounding ice at night. They had told everyone like, 967 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: it's not safe on the ship, so let's all just 968 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: go hang out on the ice and tell we know 969 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,200 Speaker 1: things are good, and then we'll bring you back on board. 970 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 1: And suddenly the ground started to break, the ice cracked 971 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,640 Speaker 1: and split, and soon the nineteen people on that ice 972 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:34,720 Speaker 1: flow we're floating away from the polaris terrifying. I cannot 973 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,360 Speaker 1: imagine a more scary thing than to be on a 974 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,600 Speaker 1: freaking piece of ice, floating through a frozen sea from 975 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,960 Speaker 1: your ship. Oh my god, terrifying nightmares. I wonder if 976 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,440 Speaker 1: Tyson Speculation Station maybe maybe if I'm Tyson, I'm like, 977 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,400 Speaker 1: you know what this is better? Wait to Tokali, to 978 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 1: andre Vick here, Oh we're good, right, Seriously, I just 979 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,680 Speaker 1: keep thinking of yukonk Nelius and Rudolph the red Nose 980 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,759 Speaker 1: Reindeer when they're running from the Abosmiable snowman and the 981 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: like he chops the ice up and they float away 982 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 1: on that. Not not as cute, but they drifted over 983 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 1: eighteen hundred miles for six months, and it is universally 984 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,360 Speaker 1: agreed that if pere Vic and to Kalitu as well 985 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,520 Speaker 1: as Hendrick hadn't been with them, everyone would have died. 986 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,400 Speaker 1: I definitely would have thought that because the sailors were 987 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,280 Speaker 1: again just terribly undisciplined. They went through their food rations 988 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,480 Speaker 1: like crazy. They even had a night where they just 989 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,800 Speaker 1: went hog wild and started feasting just stuff in their 990 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,520 Speaker 1: faces with their rations because they just couldn't take it anymore. 991 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,880 Speaker 1: They were like, what I really want is to become 992 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,080 Speaker 1: a cannibal, so let's get all food. Yeah, I can't 993 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,800 Speaker 1: wait to eat a person. They're like it's day three 994 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,480 Speaker 1: and they're like, I can't take it anymore. And not 995 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 1: only that, but they actually had some lifeboats with them, 996 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,600 Speaker 1: but they were confused about where they were. Uh. They 997 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,440 Speaker 1: thought they were on one side of Greenland, but they 998 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 1: were actually on the other side. So they kept expecting 999 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,760 Speaker 1: to see land come up, but they didn't. I don't 1000 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 1: know if they were just looking in the wrong direction 1001 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,440 Speaker 1: or what, but they decided that the lifeboats were useless 1002 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,880 Speaker 1: to them, and they broke them up for firewood. Oh 1003 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 1: my god, So they are not handling this well. Nobody's 1004 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,840 Speaker 1: listening to Tyson. He like tries to take command, and 1005 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 1: everyone just does whatever they want, so he basically gives up. Meanwhile, 1006 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,640 Speaker 1: pere Vic and Hendrick start hunting seal and they're on 1007 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 1: the middle of this chunk of ice in the Arctic 1008 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,680 Speaker 1: Ocean with like nothing around them. They start bringing in 1009 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,280 Speaker 1: seal for everyone to eat and to Kalit builds IgG 1010 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: loose so they have somewhere to get away from the 1011 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,520 Speaker 1: wind and the cold and save their body heat. So 1012 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,000 Speaker 1: these guys just start working for these lazy asses, start 1013 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,400 Speaker 1: collecting up and started just making sure everyone's gonna survive 1014 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 1: all in all. I mean, it sounds like a pretty 1015 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,680 Speaker 1: nice cruise, you know. Oh, I guess it's on par 1016 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:10,400 Speaker 1: with that carnival cruise where everybody, Yeah, I don't know 1017 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,880 Speaker 1: which would you rather be out in the middle of 1018 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,800 Speaker 1: the ocean freezing for six months eating nothing but seal 1019 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: in any glue, or six weeks on the carnival cruise 1020 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:25,120 Speaker 1: covered in ship. That's a game show right there. That's 1021 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:29,240 Speaker 1: a tough one, a real sofas chowing. They were picked 1022 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,680 Speaker 1: up in April of eighteen seventy three on the coast 1023 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 1: of Newfoundland by a whaling ship, and their Inuit guides 1024 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,240 Speaker 1: were hailed as heroes, which obviously they were. Everyone will 1025 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,240 Speaker 1: be dead without them. Meanwhile, Buddington had gotten the Polaris 1026 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,919 Speaker 1: moving again, but they burned too much coal without any 1027 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,840 Speaker 1: discipline during the voyage, and soon he had to run 1028 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,520 Speaker 1: the ship aground. And since they lost so much of 1029 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,960 Speaker 1: their ship when he had them throw it overboard, they 1030 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,040 Speaker 1: really didn't have the supplies they needed to survive another winter. 1031 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 1: So they pulled lumber from the ship and built shelters. 1032 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,240 Speaker 1: And they were fourteen of them, huddled together with few 1033 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:09,480 Speaker 1: survivor skills among them, very little food, near death, when suddenly, 1034 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,000 Speaker 1: lo and behold, the Eta Innuit showed up and helped 1035 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,320 Speaker 1: them survive through the winter. Man. Innuits are the real 1036 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,760 Speaker 1: heroes of this whole story throughout stranded in the art, 1037 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,919 Speaker 1: you better hope some innuit show up to help you out, 1038 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,320 Speaker 1: because you will die only where these people lived, and 1039 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,400 Speaker 1: in June of seventy three they built ships from salvaged 1040 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 1: wood and sailed south and were eventually rescued by a 1041 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:40,480 Speaker 1: whaling ship in July. So, the nineteen people from the 1042 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:45,120 Speaker 1: ice flow get back to the States and the US 1043 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,200 Speaker 1: Navy is like, hey, uh, you, what the hell happened 1044 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:56,880 Speaker 1: out there? This looks like the frozen hell happened. You're 1045 01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,840 Speaker 1: like where, I'm sorry, where's your captain? Sorry? Where's your ship? 1046 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,439 Speaker 1: By the way, you didn't get to the North Pole. 1047 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm guessing. Uh. They brought back more questions than answers 1048 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:19,120 Speaker 1: or people, more questions than people boats anything. So the U. S. 1049 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,960 Speaker 1: Navy opened a formal inquiry. Obviously this was a lot 1050 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:26,120 Speaker 1: of money went into this. At this time, Buddington and 1051 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,919 Speaker 1: his people hadn't even been rescued yet, no one knew 1052 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,960 Speaker 1: what happened to the polarists. At this point, they asked 1053 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,320 Speaker 1: to Galita and she had actually said, oh, they're they're good. 1054 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,680 Speaker 1: They parked somewhere safe. If they wait till the summer, 1055 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,680 Speaker 1: then they'll be able to sail out no problem, which 1056 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,880 Speaker 1: of course Buddington was not able to do, but she 1057 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,200 Speaker 1: thought it should be no problem for them. So they're 1058 01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,800 Speaker 1: kind of waiting for them to show back up. She 1059 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,280 Speaker 1: had a lot of faith. She was such an optimist, 1060 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,919 Speaker 1: she really is. So they bring Tyson in to give 1061 01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:00,760 Speaker 1: his sort of testimony about what happened, and he says, basically, uh, yeah, 1062 01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:06,520 Speaker 1: Buddington's sucks, and we think the doctor might have poisoned 1063 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:11,280 Speaker 1: Charles Hall, like that's probably something that happened apparently. So 1064 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,560 Speaker 1: they decide they're gonna they want to talk to everybody, 1065 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,480 Speaker 1: and they bring in pier Vick and Tokalitu as well, 1066 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,440 Speaker 1: who again were considered heroes of this trip, and they 1067 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,360 Speaker 1: get their testimony. If pier Vick laid it out, he said, quote, 1068 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,240 Speaker 1: I didn't like Buddington always talking behind back. Hall told 1069 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,920 Speaker 1: me when sick, somebody give him something bad. He was 1070 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,200 Speaker 1: sick two weeks. Buddington did not take care of him. 1071 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,480 Speaker 1: I think it not right. Made me feel bad. He says, 1072 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,280 Speaker 1: something bad in coffee I drink last night, making me 1073 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,080 Speaker 1: sick and stomach bad. And then he said in the 1074 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,960 Speaker 1: few days where Hall felt better, that Hall was looking 1075 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,920 Speaker 1: through the doctor's medicinal books and he pointed to something 1076 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,360 Speaker 1: and told it peer Vick that that thing is making 1077 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,880 Speaker 1: me sick, and I peer Vick didn't know what it 1078 01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,160 Speaker 1: was specifically, but he said in this deposition quote something 1079 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,800 Speaker 1: about poison, I think. And to Kuli, to gave testimony 1080 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,480 Speaker 1: to their experience on the ice flow, she said she 1081 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,400 Speaker 1: was taking her stuff off the ship after the big leak, 1082 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,240 Speaker 1: and a fireman had told her the ship was going 1083 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,360 Speaker 1: to be okay, but Buddington told her to ignore that 1084 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,560 Speaker 1: and just take her stuff and her daughter and go 1085 01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,840 Speaker 1: out on the ice where it's safe, and then the 1086 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,880 Speaker 1: ice broke up. God never listen to Buddington. He was 1087 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,640 Speaker 1: right that one time. That's true. So it's I mean, 1088 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,240 Speaker 1: they were none of them were. None of them were 1089 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,400 Speaker 1: ever right very often. That's the problem. And they asked 1090 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,880 Speaker 1: to Kali too, who was in command on the ice flow, 1091 01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:43,400 Speaker 1: and she said nobody, which definitely sounds accurate. And they asked, 1092 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,200 Speaker 1: you know what about Tyson, because he's this assistant navigator 1093 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,040 Speaker 1: or whatever, and she said, quote, well, he could not 1094 01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,720 Speaker 1: control them. He tried to do everything he could. He's 1095 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,600 Speaker 1: a good man. We have known him a good many years. 1096 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,880 Speaker 1: He tried to do everything for the best I saw, 1097 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:05,000 Speaker 1: and Joe very sorry to sometime little provisions left. And 1098 01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,160 Speaker 1: she tells a story about how they thought they were 1099 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,240 Speaker 1: about to starve, but a bear showed up across the 1100 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,040 Speaker 1: ice killed a seal, and while the sailors laid down 1101 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,960 Speaker 1: and tried to stay hidden, appear Vic chased the bear 1102 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:21,720 Speaker 1: off and took the seal meat for everyone. We chased 1103 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,800 Speaker 1: a bear, and we we must assume that this was 1104 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:32,920 Speaker 1: a polar bear, which, if you're called last a couple episodes, 1105 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,760 Speaker 1: if it's white, good night, good night, You're not so 1106 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,440 Speaker 1: everybody is. I'm sure he told everyone else, Okay, you 1107 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,040 Speaker 1: all laid down, stay quiet, I'll take care of this bear. 1108 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:47,000 Speaker 1: And just when I don't know whatever he did, no, bear, 1109 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,600 Speaker 1: you can't have your food. We're taking it. Like that's 1110 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 1: not a conversation you have with a polar bear. Oh 1111 01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,479 Speaker 1: my god. And also like she's apologizing, oh my god, 1112 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,720 Speaker 1: for what she's well, because there wasn't more food, you know, 1113 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,760 Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm so sorry. There wasn't always a lot 1114 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,960 Speaker 1: of food, but we only with zero bait. I can 1115 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,880 Speaker 1: chase the bears off this ice plod for you. She's 1116 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,720 Speaker 1: so sweet, I can't stand it. She's the best. And 1117 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,000 Speaker 1: through all this testimony and in interviews later, it's the 1118 01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,200 Speaker 1: same thing. Authors and historians keep pointing out that if 1119 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,600 Speaker 1: pier Vik and took al To just refused to have 1120 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,480 Speaker 1: a bad attitude about anything, they like kind of grumbled 1121 01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:34,160 Speaker 1: about Buddington, but they didn't want to ever say anything 1122 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,320 Speaker 1: out right bad about anybody, even the lazy sailors on 1123 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,680 Speaker 1: the ice flow, who they basically had the hand feed 1124 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,840 Speaker 1: the whole time they were out there, like let me 1125 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:47,080 Speaker 1: chew up this CeAl and spin your mouth, even them, 1126 01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,080 Speaker 1: if peer Vick was like, oh, they're good guys offered 1127 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:54,920 Speaker 1: me a cigar once. The bar is low to say, 1128 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:59,479 Speaker 1: like what they offered me a cigar once? I kept 1129 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,080 Speaker 1: them alive for six months and they offered me a 1130 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,800 Speaker 1: cigar one time. I mean, like we said, tukali To 1131 01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,920 Speaker 1: apologized for their not being enough food. I think it 1132 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,800 Speaker 1: speaks to how they were so loyal to Hall as well, 1133 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,400 Speaker 1: because this guy, I mean, it really seemed like he 1134 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,240 Speaker 1: exploited them in the States, taking them on this lecture tour. 1135 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,200 Speaker 1: I don't think he had bad wishes for them, or 1136 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,760 Speaker 1: they didn't care about them necessarily, but he was definitely yeah, 1137 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,240 Speaker 1: but he was definitely using them. And they were always 1138 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,000 Speaker 1: just like, oh, he's a good friend of ours, he's 1139 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,920 Speaker 1: a good guy. He means well, he's trying his best. 1140 01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:38,000 Speaker 1: You know. They just they're super optimistic, which, like we said, 1141 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,640 Speaker 1: you must have to be. You got to bring your 1142 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:47,040 Speaker 1: own sunshine. Did not have time for a bad attitude 1143 01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,160 Speaker 1: in the Arctic. That's going to get everybody in trouble. 1144 01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean, we could all learn a little bit from 1145 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,600 Speaker 1: Tukali to a little bit of that energy into our 1146 01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,480 Speaker 1: everyday life. In all honesty, I'm saying like, sometimes times 1147 01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,240 Speaker 1: it's not like if you have comforts and you have 1148 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:09,520 Speaker 1: stability and security, that you can't be upset, that that 1149 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,520 Speaker 1: things can't bother you, that you can't be angry or 1150 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,640 Speaker 1: anything like that. But I do try to remind myself 1151 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,720 Speaker 1: that I'm not living on a sheet of ice. You 1152 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:25,479 Speaker 1: know that your outlook, your attitude towards your community, towards 1153 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,200 Speaker 1: other people around you who are just trying to survive 1154 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,800 Speaker 1: with you, matters a lot. And I think we have 1155 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,200 Speaker 1: a lot of cynicism and negativity that is very infectious, right, 1156 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:39,000 Speaker 1: And if you imagine yourself in a smaller community like that, 1157 01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,680 Speaker 1: thirty forty people living in a village in the middle 1158 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:47,440 Speaker 1: of the harshest conditions on earth, and you learn that 1159 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:52,440 Speaker 1: like that, that negativity really is toxic, Like it spreads 1160 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,640 Speaker 1: and it hurts and it doesn't do anything to help us. 1161 01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,920 Speaker 1: So if you're not, if your attitude isn't also contributing 1162 01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:05,880 Speaker 1: to our survival, then check it. Yeah, it's not that easy. 1163 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,720 Speaker 1: I also believe that you know, emotions are real and 1164 01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, go by them sometimes, but it's just just 1165 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,840 Speaker 1: something to keep in mind. Yeah, I mean it is. 1166 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,680 Speaker 1: There is such a thing as toxic positivity, and you know. 1167 01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,320 Speaker 1: But but I do agree with you that a sousson 1168 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,880 Speaker 1: of Tokuli too and pere Vic could not could not 1169 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: go wrong in all of our views. Well, in the end, 1170 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,920 Speaker 1: there was not enough evidence for any charges to be 1171 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:39,320 Speaker 1: filed in Hall's death. Um The final report said, quote, 1172 01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,680 Speaker 1: we are of the opinion that Captain Hall died from 1173 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,120 Speaker 1: natural causes and that the treatment of the case by 1174 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:48,559 Speaker 1: Dr Bessel's was the best practice under the circumstances. But 1175 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:54,120 Speaker 1: in ninety eight, Charles Francis Hall's biographer, Chauncey Chester Loomis Jr. 1176 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,680 Speaker 1: Took an expedition of his own to exhume Hall's body, 1177 01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,800 Speaker 1: and he was remarkably well preserved for being dead two 1178 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:06,000 Speaker 1: hundred years because of the whole of the ice you 1179 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,200 Speaker 1: kind of, I mean, that's sort of what it does. 1180 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,040 Speaker 1: They didn't like thaw him out, and he's like in 1181 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:17,439 Speaker 1: Sino man who the world has changed? Dudes? That would 1182 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:24,519 Speaker 1: be dope for real. And testing of his exhumed body 1183 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:34,280 Speaker 1: showed that he died from arsenic poisoning, although it must 1184 01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:39,000 Speaker 1: be said that a lot of medicines contained arsenic back then. Um, 1185 01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,360 Speaker 1: so it's possible that he even accidentally poisoned himself. So 1186 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,720 Speaker 1: we're still not sure it's like a malicious poisoning or not. 1187 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Certainly he was poisoned. Just who did it? Why? It's 1188 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,720 Speaker 1: up in the air. Although I think I'm still personally 1189 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:58,439 Speaker 1: prosecuting Dr Emil Bessel's in my head because in another twist, 1190 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,640 Speaker 1: it turns out Bessel and Hall we're both into the 1191 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,960 Speaker 1: same girl back in New York City. Her name was 1192 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,480 Speaker 1: Vinny Reem and she was a famous sculptor and Vessels 1193 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,519 Speaker 1: was more into her than Charles Francis Hall was, but 1194 01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:19,240 Speaker 1: she was more into Hall. So there's a whole love 1195 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,800 Speaker 1: triangle that is a crime recipe for a poisoning. Was like, 1196 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 1: I see a great opportunity to clear the field for myself. 1197 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,880 Speaker 1: If there was any more information than just that, this 1198 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,479 Speaker 1: would be a whole episode for us. That's a little 1199 01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,760 Speaker 1: bonus romance because there's not anymore. That was a good one. 1200 01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,640 Speaker 1: Um So, yeah, that's just another possible motive for the sociopath. 1201 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:48,519 Speaker 1: Dr right, just kidding. It remains unproven. Vessels was never charged. 1202 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,439 Speaker 1: We don't know Speculation Station. He wasn't charged there, But 1203 01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:56,040 Speaker 1: here on ridiculous romance, in the safety of Speculation Station, 1204 01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,360 Speaker 1: we're going to say he did it. He definitely did it. 1205 01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:03,760 Speaker 1: He murders love so a pier vik tokal Too and 1206 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,320 Speaker 1: Panic returned to Connecticut, but panics health had been poor 1207 01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,559 Speaker 1: ever since the six months they spent on the ice 1208 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:15,920 Speaker 1: flow understandably. Um So she did go to school, but 1209 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,280 Speaker 1: in early eighteen seventy five she caught pneumonia and in 1210 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,280 Speaker 1: March of that year she died at just nine years old. 1211 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:28,680 Speaker 1: I know. Tkalito fell into declining health after that, and 1212 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,880 Speaker 1: in December of eighteen seventy six. She died at thirty 1213 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,280 Speaker 1: eight years old. I know, it's just so tough for 1214 01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,559 Speaker 1: her trying to raise a family. They never had much 1215 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,679 Speaker 1: luck with that, um, but she cared about those kids 1216 01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:47,080 Speaker 1: so much. UM. They were all buried together to Gal too, 1217 01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,960 Speaker 1: was buried right there in Groton beside her children. Panic 1218 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,960 Speaker 1: and tar Leaky talk and a pear. Vic was heartbroken 1219 01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,280 Speaker 1: after Tito's death, of course, and he avowed to return 1220 01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,800 Speaker 1: to the North. In eighteen eighty he joined Frederick Schwatka's 1221 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:05,680 Speaker 1: expedition in search of records of the Franklin Expedition, So 1222 01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,839 Speaker 1: once again going back to his roots. I mean, Franklin 1223 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,840 Speaker 1: Expedition really defined his life, you know, and people were 1224 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,280 Speaker 1: so interested for like decades and decades. I feel like 1225 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,800 Speaker 1: it was like the Titanic of their day, right, or 1226 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,840 Speaker 1: maybe like the Donner Party type, or they just disappeared 1227 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,519 Speaker 1: and you're like, what happened? Like we're still are asking 1228 01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:29,000 Speaker 1: that all. Yeah, for sure, that voyage didn't wasn't very successful. 1229 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,280 Speaker 1: They didn't end up turning up very much. And when 1230 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,479 Speaker 1: they decided it was over, Piervic decided that he was 1231 01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,680 Speaker 1: going to stay in the North and there, he remarried, 1232 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,800 Speaker 1: and it's unknown exactly when, but it appears that he 1233 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,320 Speaker 1: died just a few years later after that and peer 1234 01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:48,320 Speaker 1: Vic was described by American journalist January US McGann as 1235 01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,160 Speaker 1: quote one of the most interesting and pleasant characters he 1236 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,599 Speaker 1: has ever met. A Beer Being Bay in Canada and 1237 01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,120 Speaker 1: Joe Island in Greenland are both named after him, and 1238 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,880 Speaker 1: the two Kali two Inlet in None of It, and 1239 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,720 Speaker 1: Hannah Island and Greenland are both named for her. In 1240 01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,040 Speaker 1: Canada named Tokuli two and A peer Vic persons of 1241 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:16,599 Speaker 1: National Historic Significance for their contributions to exploration, cultural insight, 1242 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,320 Speaker 1: and saving the lives of those on the ice flow right, 1243 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:25,320 Speaker 1: Get damn right, historical significance. Indeed, I mean, for real, 1244 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,920 Speaker 1: these these two were awesome. I mean, I'm so sad 1245 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,320 Speaker 1: about them never getting to grow a family because it's 1246 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,639 Speaker 1: clear they really wanted Why but um but they really 1247 01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,080 Speaker 1: did some. I mean, you could say she was sort 1248 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:43,679 Speaker 1: of mother to all of these nasty sailors. You could, 1249 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:48,360 Speaker 1: but I don't think she'd say. They're very nice boys. 1250 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:52,880 Speaker 1: They're not mine. They ain't mine. I don't know them. 1251 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,440 Speaker 1: They really are amazing, I do I will say they 1252 01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,160 Speaker 1: they lived full lives, short lives, but I think they 1253 01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,760 Speaker 1: did and saw more in there you know, forty issue 1254 01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,800 Speaker 1: years here than most of us will in a in 1255 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:10,640 Speaker 1: a eighty or hundred, you know, which is you know, 1256 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,519 Speaker 1: a small comfort, but still amazing. I love that they 1257 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,160 Speaker 1: had these lives that they saw so much, that they 1258 01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,880 Speaker 1: had such a tie to their home and it mattered 1259 01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,480 Speaker 1: to them, but they also got to live in completely 1260 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,880 Speaker 1: different places and have all these like cultural mash up 1261 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,599 Speaker 1: of experiences, which I think is so cool that they 1262 01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,960 Speaker 1: were able to kind of retain themselves but also adapt 1263 01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,559 Speaker 1: and make all these friends with all these Americans and stuff, 1264 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,680 Speaker 1: like what a life. And clearly they were both just 1265 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,680 Speaker 1: so awesome and charming, like like she was full of 1266 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,840 Speaker 1: fun and laughter, and he's like pleasant and interesting and 1267 01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,479 Speaker 1: like observant, and so they probably were just so much 1268 01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,360 Speaker 1: fun to be around. So when they're like in a 1269 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:58,000 Speaker 1: Inuit village of thirty people to grow in Connecticut to 1270 01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,200 Speaker 1: breaking London, where there's probably more people they've ever seen 1271 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,080 Speaker 1: in their lives, and then they go around all around, 1272 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, the East Coast on some lecture tour and 1273 01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,000 Speaker 1: see all these people that you know, it's just as 1274 01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,320 Speaker 1: much of a community to them as their own tribe 1275 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,559 Speaker 1: back home, which I think is a really lovely way 1276 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,200 Speaker 1: to look at the world. Yeah, definitely. I feel like 1277 01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,040 Speaker 1: I learned a lot from Tuculi to and a pear Vicks. 1278 01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,640 Speaker 1: I think so too, how to view things and people. Absolutely, 1279 01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,639 Speaker 1: like I think like we were saying, like it's the 1280 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,000 Speaker 1: kind of comparative nature of your surroundings, Like what you've 1281 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,920 Speaker 1: seen before and what you're seeing now are so important. Like, 1282 01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,839 Speaker 1: you know, they could be having a rough day in Groton, 1283 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:41,320 Speaker 1: Connecticut and be like, well, what was a rough day 1284 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:47,360 Speaker 1: in Baffin Island. This is pretty nice? Yeah, this is 1285 01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,280 Speaker 1: in comparisson to that, but just such a just such 1286 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,240 Speaker 1: a I don't know, just two very bright lights, very 1287 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:59,280 Speaker 1: uplifting people. Yeah, I love them. Plus, is such a 1288 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,960 Speaker 1: cool era of history when everyone was so interested in 1289 01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:06,080 Speaker 1: the polar ice, like expeditions and all this stuff. Just 1290 01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:10,519 Speaker 1: the era of exploration in general is so fascinating, and 1291 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,120 Speaker 1: I so wish it wasn't so clouded with colonialism, you know, 1292 01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,360 Speaker 1: and imperialism, because that's obviously the downside of it all. 1293 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,000 Speaker 1: But speaking from you know, the twenty first century comforts, 1294 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm very used to. It seems so weird to me, 1295 01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,320 Speaker 1: an alien and idea to be like, let me go 1296 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,920 Speaker 1: put myself in the most extreme conditions on the planet 1297 01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,200 Speaker 1: that I can find, because I just want to know 1298 01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,880 Speaker 1: what's there and see if I can do it or whatever. 1299 01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,800 Speaker 1: Like I I can't imagine be like, especially back then 1300 01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,479 Speaker 1: when they've had very few ways to heat themselves or 1301 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:47,160 Speaker 1: wrap themselves up or anything like that. Like to choose 1302 01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,880 Speaker 1: negative degrees. It is so crazy to me. But of 1303 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,519 Speaker 1: course I'm from Georgia where we rarely go under thirty, 1304 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:59,559 Speaker 1: So but yeah, I do. I wonder about the people 1305 01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:04,200 Speaker 1: who say there who who moved and moved across you know. 1306 01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:08,160 Speaker 1: I read somewhere that the Inuit may have come originally 1307 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:14,000 Speaker 1: from Mongolian travelers um up across the Bearing Strait into Canada. 1308 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,040 Speaker 1: Could be wrong about that, but that's something I've read. 1309 01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:21,360 Speaker 1: But in either case, getting to Baffin Island. At some point, 1310 01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,679 Speaker 1: somebody got to Baffin Island and said, yeah, this is good. 1311 01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:31,599 Speaker 1: I'll stop here and stayed yeah, this is good. Probably 1312 01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,400 Speaker 1: doesn't get any better than this. Do you think someone 1313 01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:37,040 Speaker 1: next to him was like, are you sure this is good? 1314 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,679 Speaker 1: Feel like the further that way we walk, the warmer 1315 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:45,160 Speaker 1: it gets maybe we should keep going. We're good. Look 1316 01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,760 Speaker 1: we got fish, we got ice. What else is there? 1317 01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:52,280 Speaker 1: What else? What else? It's nights, sometimes it's day sometimes. 1318 01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,600 Speaker 1: I may have mentioned this on the show before, but 1319 01:17:55,680 --> 01:18:00,439 Speaker 1: I remember driving from Atlanta to l A, which was 1320 01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,559 Speaker 1: an amazing road trip, and then you and I got 1321 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,880 Speaker 1: to take an almost similar one out to Utah. But 1322 01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,760 Speaker 1: when I drove from Atlanta l A, and I was 1323 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,719 Speaker 1: in the desert, you know, crossing Texas and New Mexico 1324 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,320 Speaker 1: and Arizona for hours and hours and hours and hours, 1325 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,360 Speaker 1: like a full day of driving out there, driving my 1326 01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:20,800 Speaker 1: car at seventy eight miles an hour, and I just 1327 01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:26,200 Speaker 1: wondered they were explorers here. Even pre colonial there were 1328 01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:30,720 Speaker 1: people who walked out to the desert, saw nothing but 1329 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,920 Speaker 1: desert in front of them for as far as they 1330 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:39,559 Speaker 1: could see, and said, let's keep going. No, I'm telling you, 1331 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,639 Speaker 1: on the other side of this, there's gonna be palm 1332 01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,439 Speaker 1: trees and water. It's gonna be great. And and then 1333 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,719 Speaker 1: they probably spent days and days walking and then said 1334 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,559 Speaker 1: let's keep going, let's keep at it. And that to 1335 01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:56,760 Speaker 1: me is a level of human ambition that I that 1336 01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:01,200 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know if we have anymore. Um, 1337 01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:05,120 Speaker 1: I certainly don't. I think we have it, but it's 1338 01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:09,800 Speaker 1: so much more specialized because the what's what's left to 1339 01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,639 Speaker 1: explore but ocean and space, and you need kind of, 1340 01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, specialized equipment for that. At least back then 1341 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,960 Speaker 1: you could just walk until you found something new. Um. 1342 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,760 Speaker 1: But Tony Horwitz said that in his book Fourage, Long 1343 01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,120 Speaker 1: and Strange, he was talking about the conquistadors coming up 1344 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,200 Speaker 1: through Mexico and walking through the plains, and he was like, 1345 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,360 Speaker 1: at some point they were in the middle of summer 1346 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:36,439 Speaker 1: in their freaking armor, Like they're wearing full conquistador gear 1347 01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,920 Speaker 1: and it's hot and there sweating, and he's like, all 1348 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,439 Speaker 1: they can see for miles and miles and miles and 1349 01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,519 Speaker 1: miles is nothing but grass. It's nothing, there's it's it's 1350 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:52,479 Speaker 1: just like seeing dessert, but it's just grass, no trees, nothing, 1351 01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,200 Speaker 1: And he's like, and they decided, let's keep walking. And 1352 01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,200 Speaker 1: he was also like blinking, Like when I do that, 1353 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,640 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think unless I got this 1354 01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:07,320 Speaker 1: book advanced, I'd probably not be doing it right now. Amazing. 1355 01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,519 Speaker 1: So anyway, I do admire that I admire that in 1356 01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,519 Speaker 1: the past, for sure. I don't know. I guess we 1357 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:14,439 Speaker 1: like I say, we still have it, but it is 1358 01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:19,080 Speaker 1: so much more specialized in and concentrated into certain fields 1359 01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,120 Speaker 1: and a more complicated world. I think that we live 1360 01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,440 Speaker 1: in two where it's like, look, I love space exploration. 1361 01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm all for it. I think we need to do 1362 01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:32,440 Speaker 1: more of it, but um, probably not necessarily the way 1363 01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,439 Speaker 1: we're doing it now. Like I feel like there's something 1364 01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,280 Speaker 1: that's a little more beneficial for everyone, and maybe a 1365 01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,880 Speaker 1: way to disperse those resources to kind of stabilize things here. 1366 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,880 Speaker 1: Sounds like a lot of communisms. Well, I was going 1367 01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,360 Speaker 1: to say, you can kind of see, though I don't know. 1368 01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean, this is just off the top of my head, 1369 01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,519 Speaker 1: but you can kind of see. As we discovered more 1370 01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:58,080 Speaker 1: and more of the world around us and had a 1371 01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,720 Speaker 1: better picture of what was been and out there, um, 1372 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,559 Speaker 1: and there was less to explore out there. The more 1373 01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,439 Speaker 1: we started turning inward and trying to understand our own 1374 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,960 Speaker 1: human experience, our own selves, and started thinking about psychology. 1375 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,040 Speaker 1: And now of course we're in a real mental health 1376 01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,920 Speaker 1: like kind of renaissance. It feels like people are like, no, 1377 01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,800 Speaker 1: this is everyone should be in therapy, like you don't 1378 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,479 Speaker 1: need to experience a traumatic event to need therapy, like 1379 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,439 Speaker 1: we we we should all be examining why and what 1380 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,479 Speaker 1: and who and where these biases are coming from our 1381 01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,720 Speaker 1: unconscious thought patterns or whatever. So I guess you could 1382 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,759 Speaker 1: kind of. I don't know. I'm just kind of seeing 1383 01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,760 Speaker 1: like these people were looking out and seeing a lot 1384 01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,960 Speaker 1: to go find that was not had anything to do 1385 01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,800 Speaker 1: with me, myself and I. But like as as we 1386 01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,160 Speaker 1: progressed in that way and govern Martin, we kind of 1387 01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,960 Speaker 1: had to make it smaller, almost turn inwards and look 1388 01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,240 Speaker 1: at this because all those explorers at rampant A d 1389 01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:59,599 Speaker 1: D and depression and alcoholism, well now and then somewhere 1390 01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,360 Speaker 1: in between, mean that is me and Dorothy Putnam who 1391 01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,680 Speaker 1: are like my therapy is to travel. I would just 1392 01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:10,520 Speaker 1: like I would rather explore. Please, Yes, that sounds great. Yeah, 1393 01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,000 Speaker 1: including the Arctic. I would totally go to Baffin Island. 1394 01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,800 Speaker 1: I would love to check it out up there. Um, 1395 01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:22,080 Speaker 1: I hope if you are Inuit or not, anyone who 1396 01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:26,559 Speaker 1: is set us up, I would love to come. Here's 1397 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:30,800 Speaker 1: the thing, and I've mentioned it before, this hurts me 1398 01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:36,320 Speaker 1: and travel. I'm a vegetarian that includes fish and um, 1399 01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,400 Speaker 1: I guess I'll just have to pack a snack, is 1400 01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It will be hard. It's going to 1401 01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,479 Speaker 1: be hard to feed you something only food up there, 1402 01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,000 Speaker 1: it's fish. But you know I'll work it out. I 1403 01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,360 Speaker 1: always do. UM. So I would love to come visit 1404 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:56,679 Speaker 1: Northern Canada, Greenland, the Arctic. We have gotten a couple 1405 01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,800 Speaker 1: of offers to crash with some of our listeners and 1406 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,400 Speaker 1: are amazing places in Scotland or in Munich, or a 1407 01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,360 Speaker 1: couple of places. I want you to know that we're 1408 01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,559 Speaker 1: taking you incredibly seriously and I am writing a whole 1409 01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,040 Speaker 1: tour down for us where we can crash on your couch. 1410 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,599 Speaker 1: So don't offer unless you mean it's because we will 1411 01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,080 Speaker 1: descend upon you and then make you show us around. 1412 01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,960 Speaker 1: I am ready, Yeah, I am so ready. 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