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Speaker 2: That's right, Fox Sports Saturday with Kevin Figures and Adam

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Speaker 2: alson with you guys fn A on FSR. Thank you

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Speaker 2: You can find Adam at follow Adam A Adam It's

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Speaker 4: Big show for you guys. Three hours of fn A

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Speaker 4: It's the return Kevin. It's been too long. It's time

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Speaker 4: news's back in effect for the first time since I

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Speaker 4: don't know twenty sixteen, first time in a long time.

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Speaker 4: We've debuted geek news here, Stranger than Fiction, a lot

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Speaker 4: of other stuff, but rap news is one of our

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Speaker 4: signature segments here on fn A on FSR, because we

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Speaker 4: got some rap beef here. And I can't help myself

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Speaker 4: from being like, I don't know, one of the Housewives

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Speaker 4: of Atlanta or whatever, just being excited to see two

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Speaker 4: guys go out each other's next Right now, it's bad

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Speaker 4: between t I and fifty cent, and I'm gonna lay

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Speaker 4: out what happened, where this could be going, and you know,

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Speaker 4: we can't actually play any of the songs and the

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Speaker 4: disc tracks because he can't go ten seconds without a

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Speaker 4: swear word. It's kind of like when kDa tried to

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Speaker 4: play hit him Up, Bleep? How'd that go?

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Speaker 3: Kevin?

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Speaker 4: How'd that sound? First?

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Speaker 3: And I'm about to and I said, your wife, That's pretty.

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Speaker 4: Much how it went. Yeah, not so good. Also coming

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Speaker 4: up later next hour, we have a guest for you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Nick Baumgarner of the Athletic their draft analyst, was

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Speaker 2: down in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: This past week. I think he just took off.

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Speaker 2: He'll still have quarterbacks, running backs, and receivers still said

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Speaker 2: to do their workouts. Coming up on Saturday afternoon, So

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Speaker 2: Nick is gonna come on and join us and talk

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Speaker 2: about all the happenings out in India Annapolis.

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Speaker 4: So far this week we also got MVP talk and

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Speaker 4: the issues going on with the NBA. We'll get into

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Speaker 4: the Lakers in a little bit and if Luca and

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Speaker 4: Lebron can coexist. Right now, it's just that loss of

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Speaker 4: the Phoenix Suns. That's one of the worst losses anybody

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Speaker 4: has had this season in the National Basketball Association.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not like Phoenix didn't have their best three players.

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Speaker 4: Well wait a second, see the Clippers have excuses for

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Speaker 4: losing that game last night. What's the Lakers excuse for

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Speaker 4: that loss? My god, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Knowize the Clippers were still playing basketball. I thought they

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Speaker 2: were done already. I thought there were one, two, three?

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Speaker 4: CanCon Wait? How dare you? Is this about the Kawhi

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Speaker 4: quote that was taken out of context completely? We ain't

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Speaker 4: gonna win anyway, So that's not what he said, Kevin.

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Speaker 4: It was a little bit different than that. It's over, okay,

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Speaker 4: kind of like that a game man, A little bit

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Speaker 4: like that. Now, you was just saying, as a contender

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Speaker 4: right now, it could be over, and he did say

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Speaker 4: it like three different times in three different interviews.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's the best again, you keep playing out, his

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Speaker 2: career might be over.

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Speaker 4: Like we mentioned all that last week with Kawhi, And

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Speaker 4: if you want players to actually speak their truths and

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Speaker 4: be honest with you, or you want them to lie

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Speaker 4: and give you nothing postgame, Kawhi can't help but tell

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Speaker 4: the truth out there, and that's how he feels currently.

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Speaker 4: We'll see how this Clipper season ends up, but we'll

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Speaker 4: top Lakers coming up in just a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit is he telling the truth about the aspiration.

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Speaker 4: Thing, Kevin, I'm not here to talk about that.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, you're not here to talk about the past.

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Speaker 4: It look, guys, there been a new Pablo Tory episode.

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Speaker 4: If I missed something here, He's done eight of them

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Speaker 4: so far, and I've watched all eight. I've had to

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Speaker 4: suffer through this, believe me. And I'm waiting for that

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Speaker 4: news to break with baited breath right now because all

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Speaker 4: these reporters, you know, when somebody comes out, whether it's

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Speaker 4: we've seen it the last two weeks. Oh, we could

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Speaker 4: be getting close. Tim Kawakami comes out and says, oh,

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Speaker 4: I'm hearing stuff that they might just punish Kawhi and

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Speaker 4: not the Clippers. And it's like, you know what this

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Speaker 4: is really telling me. We don't have any trades going

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Speaker 4: need new rumors out there to keep people interested during

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Speaker 4: the NBA season right now with the insiders, so I.

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Speaker 2: Need to take more focus off of the court and

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Speaker 4: And we did have some great games tonight, and we did.

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Speaker 4: Did you see did you see Nikolajokic go full joker?

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Speaker 4: Why so s it?

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Speaker 3: Didn't know he had it in him.

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Speaker 4: With Jalen Williams. That was some good old fashioned hate.

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Speaker 4: Don't I like it?

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Speaker 2: Lou Dort started it, Dort, Oh, absolutely, that was a

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Speaker 2: upset too. I've just I've never seen him show that

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Speaker 4: That was four years in the making. That seemed already

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Speaker 4: play from Lou Dort and somebody actually responding like that. Finally,

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Speaker 4: I was glad to see it. But I didn't know

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Speaker 4: Nikola Jokicic had what his brothers have, which is crazy

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Speaker 4: intimidation tactics with just a look they can give you. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's built like that.

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Speaker 2: It's in there somewhere, you know, they find they brought

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Speaker 2: it out. But yeah, phenomenal game tonight or on Friday night,

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Speaker 2: depending on where you may be listening to. Between Denver

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Speaker 4: Okay, before we get to more NBA. Then, with the

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Speaker 4: Lakers coming up the very next segment, let's get to

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Speaker 4: First off, there's time that's wrong.

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Speaker 2: Somebody once told me Ma Mayor of the NFL is king,

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Speaker 2: I never forget that play the hits. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 2: don't know what the ratings are going to end up

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Speaker 2: but it's probably at the very least gonna rival like

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Speaker 2: probably our first round nf or NBA playoff game or

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Speaker 4: Oh dare you? We just had the highest rated regular

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Speaker 4: season NBA game in twenty five years between the Lakers

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Speaker 4: Noah Eagle, And you're gonna hate on the National Basketball

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Speaker 2: Some will call it a hate. Someone just call it

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Speaker 2: telling the truth. YEA, So fair enough, that highest rated

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Speaker 4: I'll say that. Hold on Fred Rogan on line ten

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Speaker 2: So much hype surrounding the draft combine you know, and

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Speaker 2: people call it the Underwear Olympics, which is kind of

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Speaker 2: what it is, because you think, if you look at Adam,

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Speaker 2: there's no football being played, there's no football moves being done.

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Speaker 2: Guys are running forty yard dashes and backpedaling and bench pressing. Really,

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Speaker 2: it's smart on the NFL to have turned this into

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Speaker 2: because they know that fans jonesing for football, even though

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Speaker 2: going to tune into it. It's actually mass for marketing

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're doing their things, call it the Underwear Olympics,

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Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, like, is this the only time where

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Speaker 4: it's okay to body shame? Like I'm waiting for Tyra

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Speaker 4: telling somebody to fill the gap in their teeth or

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Speaker 4: something like that. That's how bad it is. The way

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Speaker 4: we critique these guys during the NFL combine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we take these guys as we're sitting on

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Speaker 2: here all chiseled up and said, you criticize a guy

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Speaker 2: who ran a four or five when.

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Speaker 3: You can't run run a six seven forty.

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Speaker 4: We're not all Ben Stiller at the end of dodgeball.

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Speaker 2: Many of us are.

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Speaker 4: I got my workout in a little bit earlier today

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Speaker 4: to feel good about myself at least to say that comment.

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Speaker 2: Were you ever into because at one point in time,

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, Adam, I was. You know, I would

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Speaker 2: sit there, and this is back when the combine i

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Speaker 2: you'd have nine ten hours of coverage on NFL Network

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Speaker 2: with Chris Berman or remember Rich Eisend they had to

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Speaker 2: a suit, to be fair, and a suit and loafers

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Speaker 4: He was not sonic fast.

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Speaker 2: And then it was at one point on like a

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Speaker 2: I'm like, why am I sitting here? Watching a offensive

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's over. What am I doing with my life?

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Speaker 4: You get oversaturation in just three days of this. By

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Speaker 4: the way they market it, the way they split things

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Speaker 4: until the actual draft goes down. So this is the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I look, I understand the excitement around it.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned fans. You know, they want to look at

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Speaker 2: these prospects. If you're someone who doesn't follow college football,

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Speaker 3: I get all that stuff. The weird art part.

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Speaker 2: About it is the fans actually put more emphasis on

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Speaker 2: the workouts than the teams actually do at this point

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Speaker 2: that seems it's I think it's not important. I remember

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Speaker 2: we had Daniel Jeremiah on our podcast some years ago

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Speaker 2: and I asked him about the combine and how much

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Speaker 2: of a difference it makes whether a guy runs a

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Speaker 2: certain forty yard dashed or if he benches or whatever,

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Speaker 2: and he was like, quite honestly, from the workout standpoint, you.

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Speaker 3: Use it as a tie breaker.

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Speaker 2: So if you have two cornerbacks who are at the

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Speaker 2: who are you know, tied on your board and one

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Speaker 2: guy runs a four to six and another guy runs

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Speaker 2: a four to three, he's like, all right, we'll give

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Speaker 2: the edge of the guy who ran the.

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Speaker 4: Four to three if things are even. It's the differentiator,

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Speaker 4: but it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's by no means a deal breaker or a catch all.

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Speaker 2: And say, oh my god, this guy was amazing. We're

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Speaker 2: the combine the year that he you know, lit it up.

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Speaker 2: But you see all these you know, stories about workout warriors,

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Speaker 4: Not when you have as much tape as they do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you brought up science, So that's the big thing.

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Speaker 4: That, and the draft is still even with all this data,

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Speaker 4: get weeded out with players, like every year. You know

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Speaker 4: what I remember most from the draft? I will give

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Speaker 4: That was something from the combine. How about Blake Bortles

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Allegedly Reggie Bush not running a forty at the

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Speaker 4: two K forty time John Ross went four point two

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Speaker 3: A couple of years ago?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he went four point two one. And by

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Speaker 3: These days.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he may have flamed out after about three or

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Speaker 4: A lot of guys don't participate because they have more

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Speaker 2: Now, I we'll say, and I heard a former Panthers

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Speaker 4: There and throw? Sure, but does it matter one.

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Speaker 2: Way or the other. We know he's going to be

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Speaker 2: from what I've heard, Mendoza wants to work out at

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Speaker 2: He thinks him working with his teammates will make all

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Speaker 4: That sounds like something Bernando Mendoza would do, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: It's like a good guy for Nana Mendoza.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go to the pro bay and

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Speaker 4: The new Tim Tebow, I love them.

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Speaker 3: Don't put no, don't do that to him. What do

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Speaker 3: you mean, what's wrong with you?

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Speaker 4: I just mean from a mentality standpoint, a spiritual standpoint,

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Speaker 4: there was something to that with Tim Tebow at times

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Speaker 4: alist was getting off on all the time. That was real,

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Speaker 4: and that's where I think a lot of the coverage

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Speaker 2: Part of that is the parody in the NFL that

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Speaker 2: I think every single year or has done that for

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Speaker 2: our new coaching here and it's new mentality, and we

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Speaker 2: it around this year. Everybody has that mentality. So it

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Speaker 4: I had hope once and then the Clipper and the

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Speaker 2: Kevin I was gonna say, oh, I had hope the

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Speaker 3: I had hope, Okay, you know then I hoped dried up.

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Speaker 4: Look, look, I've gotten enough bars my way already with

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Speaker 4: the Kawhi comment you brought up. The wound is still

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Speaker 4: Carlo Jimenez and he doesn't know my disdain for Bryce Young,

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Speaker 4: and he's like, Adam, you're a Panthers fan, you should

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Speaker 4: if you only heard FNA and the things I have said.

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Speaker 4: So I was like, you know what, I've been a

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Speaker 2: So I couldn't see why didn't you have the balls

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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, you know what, congratulations made the playoffs

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Speaker 4: But I gotta be honest.

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Speaker 3: With you, how think you been that great?

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Speaker 4: Like I was busy doing a broadcast. Oh I see,

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Speaker 4: we had work to do. It was a close game, okay,

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Speaker 4: Clippers are down many men, including Kawhi Leonard, like there

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Speaker 4: another chance. I'm sure he's he's a Pasadena guy or

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Speaker 4: something like that. I didn't. I think that's where he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he spends a lot of time in southern California

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Speaker 4: Now why CJ. Straud was there, I don't know where.

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Speaker 3: He's also a so call guy. I think he's the

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, Pat O'Brien's Inland Empire. He invented that, right,

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Speaker 4: It's not funny.

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Speaker 2: Pat invented everything, shut up, including the NBA. And speaking

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Speaker 4: He did interview MJ before where we went for sixty

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Speaker 2: Know what, I don't want to misquote the great paddle'brian.

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Speaker 2: He didn't invent the NBA. He said he built the NBA.

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Speaker 6: Shut up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said I helped build the NBA from the

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Speaker 2: infancy days on CBS when the NBA Finals were running

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Speaker 4: Apparently it actually was not Magic and Bird and Jordan

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Speaker 4: and Isaiah and these players. It was Pad O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: It was off on me And speaking of the NBA,

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Speaker 2: one of the most iconic franchises, stuck in the mud

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Speaker 2: right now? Is there a way out? We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that coming up next FNA.

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Speaker 3: Coming up about twenty minutes, so we got rap Beef.

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Speaker 2: Adam is gonna be the arbiter and get us up

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Speaker 2: to speed on exactly what has happened between a couple

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Speaker 2: of rap icons.

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Speaker 4: I think Pad O'Brian's involved that, of course he is.

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Speaker 4: He was. I don't know if this is, you know,

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Speaker 4: a feather of the cap anymore. He was in a

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Speaker 4: Puff Daddy video back in the day, playing the generic

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Speaker 4: white guy. That's what Puff told him to play apparently.

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Speaker 4: Is it puff as a p diddy right now? Is

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Speaker 4: it convicted like someone I'd rather just not reference at all,

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Speaker 4: to be honest with. Okay, fair enough, we'll get into

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Speaker 4: t I and fifty cent in a little bit here.

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Speaker 4: But Kevin, you got some explain to do what for

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Speaker 4: your for your NBA team? What did you not do?

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what you didn't do. You didn't show

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Speaker 4: up against a Phoenix Suns team that was missing their

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Speaker 4: best two players out there the other night and Dylan Brooks,

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Speaker 4: Dylan the Villain and Devin Booker. And somehow after a

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Speaker 4: couple of rough losses to the Boston Celtics, understandable to

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Speaker 4: the Orlando Magic, why didn't luke An attempt that three pointer?

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Speaker 4: I was they made it three straight losses and they

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Speaker 4: lost to the Phoenix Suns. Instead of trying to turn

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Speaker 4: things around as the schedule gets a little bit easier

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Speaker 4: over the next week, for the week for the Lakers,

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Speaker 4: they found rock bottom.

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Speaker 2: Maybe finally, Well, I'll say this. You said the schedule

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Speaker 2: getting easier, for whatever that means. You mentioned the losses

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Speaker 2: that they've had recently. The more disturbing trend is you

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Speaker 2: have a team with Lebron James, Luka, Doncik and now

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Speaker 2: they've just gotten Austin Reeves back into the mix, who's

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Speaker 2: not really playing all that well. Since he's been back,

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Speaker 2: they haven't played well against contending teams, and that's the

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Speaker 2: big issue. If you were a team that has designs

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Speaker 2: of making a deep run into the postseason, which when

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Speaker 2: you have three guys of that ilk, that's your goal.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're well under five hundred and have a

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Speaker 2: negative point differential by double figures against contending teams, whether

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Speaker 2: it's Boston, Oklahoma City, Denver they beat, but Denver was

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Speaker 2: the down. I think Jokich and Murray both didn't play

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Speaker 2: the last time they played the Denver Nuggets. Any really

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Speaker 2: good team that they play, they ended up getting routinely

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Speaker 2: run off of the court by double digit I can

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Speaker 2: stomach a loss on a random Tuesday night against a

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Speaker 2: short handed Phoenix Suns team if I know that seventy

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Speaker 2: percent of the time you're gonna give your best against

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Speaker 2: the best of the best of the West, best of

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Speaker 2: the East, whoever you're playing against, and generally speaking, that

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Speaker 2: doesn't happen. When they play their best competition, they are

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Speaker 2: at their worst. And that is glaring well with.

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Speaker 4: Only twenty five percent of the season left, this is

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Speaker 4: who they are at this point.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's no changing in a hint, taking it now.

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Speaker 4: This is their identity. Can they get better? Yes? Can

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Speaker 4: they get good enough to become a contender. Hell no,

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Speaker 4: not in my mind, because their three best players don't

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Speaker 4: work and really it's two guys that don't work together.

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Speaker 4: But if you look at the three man lineup data,

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Speaker 4: when Lebron, James Luka, Doncish and Austin Reeves are all

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Speaker 4: on the floor, the three best guys, they're gonna play

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Speaker 4: a lot of minutes together. Now, they haven't been able

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Speaker 4: to play a ton so far because the injury is

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Speaker 4: going on, especially with Austin Reeves, but they have an

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Speaker 4: unbelievable net rating of my eight point four. That would

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Speaker 4: be if you're looking at net ratings for teams, that

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Speaker 4: would put them like twenty seventh in overall team offenses.

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Speaker 4: That means they're playing about as good of offense as

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Speaker 4: the Brooklyn Nets when those three are out there. That's

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Speaker 4: stunning to me. Their offensive rating is one oh six

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Speaker 4: point seven when those three are on the floor. This season.

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Speaker 4: You know who has an offensive rating that bad? Nobody

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Speaker 4: in the league. The Washington Wizards team as an offensive

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Speaker 4: rating of one oh nine point zero. Will it get better? Yes,

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Speaker 4: the sample size is still somewhat small. It's just two

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Speaker 4: hundred and thirteen minutes with those three. But the problem

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Speaker 4: is a lot of it is because Luka Nancic and

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Speaker 4: Lebron James have not worked next to one another.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, those two are a minus eighty two when they're

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Speaker 2: on the floor together, and Adam, the two of them

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Speaker 2: together without Austin reeves not a small sample size. We're

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Speaker 2: talking over seven hundred minutes between the two of.

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Speaker 4: Those on the floor.

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Speaker 2: The dynamic that is not working is Luka Doncik and

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Speaker 2: Lebron James.

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Speaker 3: And I'm mildly surprised by it.

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Speaker 2: But when you when you slow down and really take

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Speaker 2: a step back and think about it, two guys who

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Speaker 2: have been ball dominant throughout their careers, have the ball

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Speaker 2: in their hands, have to control everything, and now you're

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Speaker 2: asking one of them, namely Lebron, and it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: He's forty one and he's on the downswing, even though

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Speaker 2: he's playing at an all NBA sort of level. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's the one that needs to adjust and so far

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Speaker 2: he hasn't been able to. I'll say last year, especially

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Speaker 2: after the trade happened, he was excellent as a catch

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Speaker 2: and shoot three point shooter. Lebron James was spectacular made

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Speaker 2: I think close to thirty eight percent of his threes

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Speaker 2: this year way down. His outside shot has been ice cold,

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Speaker 2: and that has certainly hurt their offensive output well.

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Speaker 4: And that's perfectly put because what can you do when

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Speaker 4: the ball is not in your hands. Well, you go

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Speaker 4: from shooting thirty eight percent from three last year to

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Speaker 4: twenty nine percent from three this season as a catch

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Speaker 4: and shoot guy out there as somebody that can be

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Speaker 4: a play industure like that, with Luka Doncics throwing the

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Speaker 4: rock around and making passes, it's like, if Lebron's not

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Speaker 4: hitting those shots, it's just a bad formula. And I

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Speaker 4: think part of it also is Lebron still thrives in

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Speaker 4: transition obviously going downhill get into the basket where he

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Speaker 4: shoots like seventy five percent at the rim, he's still

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Speaker 4: elite there, but the jumper's been bad all season long.

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Speaker 4: And while he's good in transition, Luka Doncic is better

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Speaker 4: in the half court yep. So you have these contrasting

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Speaker 4: styles and trying to make that work to no avail

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Speaker 4: so far for JJ Reddick, and I don't think it's

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Speaker 4: gonna get much better now. I think offensively they can

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Speaker 4: still improve, Like I think these numbers, I don't think

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Speaker 4: they'll be.

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Speaker 3: Can't get much worse at them.

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Speaker 4: But the numbers you just laid out with the big three,

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Speaker 4: there's no way they're gonna end the season at a

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Speaker 4: minus eight point four net rating with Lebron, Luca, and

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Speaker 4: Austin Reeves out there. For example, last year, and this

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Speaker 4: was also a small sample size, Luca was traded obviously

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Speaker 4: midseason or a little bit past that. They were just

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Speaker 4: barely above water with those three out there. They weren't.

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Speaker 4: They were point one a net positive up point one,

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Speaker 4: so a fraction a tenth of a point, and that

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Speaker 4: was still again small sample size. But it can't be

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Speaker 4: this bad. I gotta think the only way the Lakers

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Speaker 4: can turn this around defensively. They're hamstrung. They don't have

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Speaker 4: the personnel they shall be a great defensive team.

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Speaker 2: Coming into the season, the thought was, you know what

590
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Speaker 2: if at best they can be somewhere between thirteen and

591
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Speaker 2: twenty defensively, but they can be top three in all

592
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Speaker 2: the offensive categories. They have a shot to make some noise.

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Speaker 2: Nobody thought that they will be this bad on offense.

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Speaker 2: You assume that they will be this bad defensively because

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Speaker 2: they just have too many guys who are one trick ponents.

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Speaker 2: You have Vanderbilt who can play defense but can't do

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Speaker 2: much else. Marcus Smart solid defensively, but he's lost a

598
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Speaker 2: bit of a step. You just don't have the personnel

599
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Speaker 2: to be able to do it, but you have the

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Speaker 2: offensive upside for a person and now standpoints to be

601
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Speaker 2: able to outscore teams more often than you don't. And

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, this season, they haven't done that. Like Adam,

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Speaker 2: if you look at all the advanced metrics for them,

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Speaker 2: like everything would sped out numbers to tell you that

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Speaker 2: they're probably a five hundred team. Oh more than anything,

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Speaker 2: their clutch numbers are ridiculously high.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're sixteen to five in the last five minutes

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Speaker 4: of games within five points, which is covering up for

609
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Speaker 4: a lot of bad basketball. And I said early on

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Speaker 4: this season with Rogan and Rodney, I don't buy their record.

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Speaker 4: I thought they were a bad team hiding in playing sight.

612
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Speaker 4: They just were really good at the end of games.

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Speaker 4: It inflated the record. That's not who they are. But

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Speaker 4: a lot of people bought in early and this Lakers team,

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Speaker 4: the flaws are meeting exposed as the season goes along. Here, Now,

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Speaker 4: what's interesting is it's not just Lebron not working with Luca.

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Speaker 4: He's not working in the two man lineup data either

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Speaker 4: with Austin Reeves. Luca and Austin Reeves are working together, right,

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Speaker 4: but it's really just Lebron's standing out as that you know,

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Speaker 4: third wheel, is that guy that's not being able to

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Speaker 4: contribute in a positive way next to the other two stars. Now,

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Speaker 4: when Lebron's been the leader of the second unit, those

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Speaker 4: have been some productive lineups when he's playing with the others.

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Speaker 4: That's interesting. But the problem is with politics and him

625
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Speaker 4: being a legacy guy. Well, it's not like he's only

626
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Speaker 4: gonna play minutes with the role players out there. He's

627
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Speaker 4: gonna start games. He's gonna have to be next to Luca,

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Speaker 4: He's gonna have to be next to Austin Reeves. They'll

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Speaker 4: be closing all the time, just like we saw them

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Speaker 4: not able to close against Phoenix. So you have guys

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Speaker 4: that don't work and a bad mix out there, but

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Speaker 4: you kind of got to play them, and that's a

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Speaker 4: difficult spot to be.

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Speaker 2: Well, you have to play him for the next couple

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Speaker 2: of months here, down the stretch of the regular season,

636
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Speaker 2: and then things kind of turn over in the offseason,

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Speaker 2: we have all these assets to be able to change

638
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Speaker 2: the rosters. So, with all that being said at him,

639
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Speaker 2: because it's been kind of talked about Lebron's future, whether

640
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Speaker 2: he's going to retire, whether he's going back to Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: if he wants to remain with the Lakers, and we

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Speaker 2: acknowledge if he's going to remain with the Lakers, it's

643
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Speaker 2: gonna be at a reduced salary. Part of me, after

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Speaker 2: having this discussion, makes me wonder, even if the Lakers

645
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Speaker 2: strike out in all their offseason targets, if they don't

646
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Speaker 2: trade for Giannis, if they don't get you know, Dord

647
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Speaker 2: Hardenstein from Oklahoma City, because they might want to shed salary,

648
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Speaker 2: Peyton Wattson, Tarre East, and guys like that they might

649
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Speaker 2: be interested in in restricted free agency, would you still

650
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Speaker 2: consider just not bringing Lebron back even if you strike

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Speaker 2: out on everybody, considering how bad the fit has been.

652
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: Even if he takes a league minimum contract and his

653
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: individual numbers are good, you see, the mix just doesn't work. Yeah,

654
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: his skill set for right now, the way that this

655
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: team is built and the way it's going to end

656
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: up being built around Luka Doncic for them to maximize

657
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: their chance to win a championship with him, even if

658
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: it's for a year or two. I just don't know

659
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: where Lebron James fits in this ecosystem. Considering how they

660
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: have played together.

661
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: It's like you're trying to blend two different eras the

662
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: end of the Lebron James era with the start of

663
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: the Luka Doncic era, and there's just not a good

664
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: fit there. I think they do need more of a

665
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 4: hard reset and really just focusing in on Luke Adoncic,

666
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 4: who works next to him. It's not like there isn't

667
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 4: a blueprint out there. We saw what happened in twenty

668
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 4: twenty four with the Dallas Mavericks less than two years

669
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 4: ago with the guys that were next to him getting

670
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: to the NBA Finals, so there's a blueprint. I think

671
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: this is a situation where Lebron might make it easy

672
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 4: on them and just go back to Cleveland and finish

673
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: off his career and get his swan song there and

674
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: they can both act like it was a mutual parting

675
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: of ways. When both I think, no, it's not working.

676
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 4: The time is up. It is best for both parties

677
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: at this point. I think there may have been a

678
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 4: bit of a game of chicken this past summer when

679
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 4: they didn't offer him a contract extension to put him

680
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 4: in this position where he's on an expiring contract for

681
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 4: the first time in his career like this, where he

682
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 4: doesn't have another one plus one coming his way. I

683
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: think they were looking to see if will Lebron asked

684
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 4: to be traded and then what could we get for him?

685
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 4: He has a no trade clause, but could we work

686
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: together on something like that. I think both sides were

687
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: concerned about their image and the optics of it. If

688
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 4: Lebron asked to be traded from the Lakers, that would

689
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 4: be a bad look for him, because I think long

690
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: term wise, big picture wise, fifty years from now, like yeah,

691
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 4: people will forget about that, But in the moment, some

692
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 4: will say, oh, you're too good for the Lakers, you

693
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: don't want to play here anymore, And the people who

694
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: have soured on him will be even worse and they'll

695
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: bring some new people with him. Because Lebron has been

696
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: you know, hasn't been received well in Los Angeles overall,

697
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: from day one when they were defacing his murals out there.

698
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when Adam was standing outside of Blaze Pizza,

699
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: sweating his ass off in the summer, waiting for Lebron

700
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: to show up and he never did. I'm saying now,

701
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: by the way, audio from Adam interviewing with a person

702
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: who was standing outside Blaze Pizza. Was it in Cover City?

703
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: I forget exactly which one I.

704
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 4: Try to forget.

705
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: Lebron said or alluded to the fact that he might

706
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: go out there, and of course he didn't, and hundreds

707
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: of people were standing outside waiting for him and he

708
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: did not show up.

709
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: So that fan said, Lebron, where the hell you at?

710
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 9: Where the hell you a?

711
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: I think from Lebron's side and his legacy, it could

712
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 4: have been danged if he asked out. But also if

713
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: the Lakers asked him to leave or wanted to trade

714
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: him now he had a no trade clause, that would

715
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 4: be bad for them because they're always the team that

716
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: takes care of even older stars, and they always want

717
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: to be known as the franchise that is welcoming to superstars.

718
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: And they gave Kobe Bryant that contract, which was an issue.

719
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: We said it day one, shouldn't have but because like

720
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 4: that's who the Lakers are. That's how they want to

721
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: be viewed, and maybe it ended up working out because

722
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: they they failed upwards and they got Lebron James out

723
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 4: of it, and that loyalty is a big deal to

724
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: a lot of different people, and they think it will

725
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 4: attract other stars down the line by the way they

726
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 4: treat these guys now, So they don't want to do

727
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 4: Lebron bad either. But this summer, I gotta think they

728
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 4: both know the writings on the wall out.

729
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: I think they both know that it's best that they

730
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: each move on.

731
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: You know, before people would say if they were trying

732
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: to find non basketball reasons for him to for him

733
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: to not return, it's like, oh, you know him and

734
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: Rich Paul. They're casting a Paul over the organization. They've

735
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: had a stranglehold the whole right up about Genie Buss

736
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: being fed up with him and the fact that she

737
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: wanted to be traded in all that jazz. You know,

738
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: now you can actually look at it from a basketball

739
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: standpoint and say, look, Doncic is the future, Lebron James

740
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: is the past. We tried to miltitude together, it wasn't working,

741
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: so we have a natural out. He's an unrestricted free agent.

742
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: He can go wherever he wants, and unfortunately the fit

743
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: just doesn't work here. It's time for you to move

744
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: on and we need to build around the skill set

745
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: of Luka Doncic and not Lebron. At the riding with

746
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: on the wall this past summer when Rob Polenka and

747
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: the brain trust were courting Luca and doing all these

748
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: things to try to make sure that he signed an extension,

749
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: and Lebron James was sitting off from the corner by

750
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: himself somewhere, not even part of the conversation. That was

751
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: the writing on the wall right there. They said all

752
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: they needed to say there without saying actually saying a word.

753
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think they were trying to get him

754
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: in a passive aggressive way to want to leave last summer.

755
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 4: I do because remember that rumor that was more than

756
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 4: the rumor during the regular season last year that he

757
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 4: could have gone to the Golden State Warriors. There were

758
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 4: real talks happening behind the scenes. So it's not that

759
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: crazy of an idea to think that when that summer

760
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: came last summer, that you know, that could have been it,

761
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 4: That could have been the time to move on. But

762
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 4: this definitely looks to be hit with him and the Lakers.

763
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: It just makes sense. Now, well, successful run.

764
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: You got a championship out of it, Mickey Mouse or not,

765
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: you got a championship out of it, so you'll take it.

766
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 4: Honestly, I take my shots at them for the bubble stuff.

767
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 4: And it's like they had the best record in the

768
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 4: league at the end before the league went into hiatus,

769
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 4: and that just.

770
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: And Clippers, I think, in back to back games, so

771
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: we're two of the best teams in the league at

772
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: the time before the break hit.

773
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 4: They look to be peaking. You could make the argument

774
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 4: that Anthony Davis and Lebron James got some time off

775
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: and they're older guys, are a brittal guy and Anthony

776
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 4: Davis's case, and that benefited them as a factor. But

777
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 4: for the most part, you know, everybody was playing. It

778
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: was a level playing field there in Orlando. And when

779
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: I'm actually being honest about it and not just trying

780
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 4: to take a dig at Lakers fans, I give it

781
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 4: to him.

782
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: Wow, look at Adam given credit. I needs to mark

783
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: that tape. Mark and Randon, Please, what do we.

784
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 4: Have love Mets? Oh, it's rap news. The return fifty

785
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 4: Cent versus t I. It's a rap battle or is

786
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: it is somebody not stepping up to the microphone booth.

787
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 4: This is y'atta love us FNA Cotton.

788
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: F and A on FSR here on Fox Sports Saturday.

789
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: Coming up at the top of next hour. Nick Bombgardner,

790
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: draft analysts for the Athletic. It's out in Indianapolis for

791
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: the draft. Comby gonna get us caught up on all

792
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: the happenings out there in Indianapolis. But right now, Adam,

793
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: what do we got.

794
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 4: Of an MTV at the news high Chef.

795
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 5: Counts the virtues of a machine that automatically it's smacks

796
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 5: of wifeers girlfriend the.

797
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 4: Line A generation believe it the love God to Trump.

798
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 4: I would never winch death on nobody, you know, because

799
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 4: they know coming back from that, this is an artist

800
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 4: called eminem spelled funk prison just because he's a white guy.

801
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 3: Chris Brown is accused of assaulting battery.

802
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 4: Now I'm not DJ academics, so bear with me as

803
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 4: I outlined the origin story of this beef between fifty

804
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: cent and t I by all means now, it started

805
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 4: on Shannon Sharp's podcast as they were out and about

806
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: he and Dad Johnson where TI was there and revealed

807
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: that they were supposed to have a versus battle five

808
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 4: years ago, and the feeling was that Fifty didn't think

809
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: TI was on his level.

810
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: That's interesting.

811
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 4: Then Fifty heard about this comment from Ti started making

812
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 4: the rounds where he was saying, fifties duck and smoke,

813
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: he doesn't want the versus battle with me where basically,

814
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 4: you play twenty songs of your songs twenty of their songs,

815
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 4: and it's more of a celebration. It's not necessarily a

816
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 4: rap battle or anything like that.

817
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: Soon as you like a friendly back and forth. It

818
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: was never contentious that I can ever remember of the verses, no.

819
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 4: E versus two short like it was a good time.

820
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 4: Then Fifty started posting pictures of TI's baby mama tiny,

821
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 4: and some unflattering pictures, and then he called Ti a

822
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 4: snitch for helping out with this hotline back in the

823
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 4: day in Atlanta or if you have information on murders

824
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 4: or any crimes. And he also had him at trial

825
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 4: on some video where TI allegedly flipped and was used

826
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 4: as a witness because his friend died in a game

827
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 4: related violent manner. And then well this is when things

828
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: started to get really nasty. After fifty cent put out

829
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: those pictures of Tiny, their son, TI's son with Tiny,

830
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 4: he went after fifty cent something wild like I have

831
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 4: never seen. He started uncovering all types of dirt on fifty,

832
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 4: revealing him to be a snitch, a woman beater. He

833
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 4: had fifty and some compromise photos. He went at him hard.

834
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 4: In fact, he said, at least my mom's alive to

835
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: fifty cent, like it was dark. He was taking pictures

836
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: at her grave. It was crazy. And while this is

837
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 4: going on on, TI is releasing multiple disc tracks toward

838
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: fifty cent to try to draw him out, to get

839
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 4: him in a rap battle. Now, fifty is actually fifty

840
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 4: years of age at.

841
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: This TI is not that far behind him. He's got

842
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: to be in his mid forties.

843
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: He's forty five.

844
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so why are we have a forty five year

845
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: old and a fifty year old beefing well stupid stuff.

846
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: This really seems to be fifty cents position here. That's

847
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: what his entire career.

848
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: He's a troll.

849
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: He's always has been. So he's apparently too old to

850
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 4: get back in the booth and write a disc song

851
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: towards TI, but not too old to hit back with

852
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 4: memes and jokes and internet humor. So basically TI is saying,

853
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 4: like the bully doesn't like getting bullied now because he

854
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 4: put out multiple disc tracks and at one point Fifty

855
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 4: took down the picture he put up of Tiny and

856
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 4: then like he put it back up a different one

857
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 4: after he acted like, oh, I was really hurt by that,

858
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: and he tried to seem like he had a softer side,

859
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 4: but he put up another unflattering picture. And like the

860
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 4: nastiness in the lyrics with t I going at him,

861
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: Kendrick versus Drake is like Sesame Street compared to this

862
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 4: stuff it's going on.

863
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: Kendricks had some pretty salicious things about Drake, so I'm wow, how.

864
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 4: Bad. And because he has him and his son King

865
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 4: Harris going after Fifty at the same time, it's like

866
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: Ken Griffy Senior and Ken Gurfy Junior going back to

867
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 4: back with home runs or something. They're putting Fifty in

868
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 4: the grinder. And then they revealed that he may have

869
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 4: tried to allegedly burn down his baby mama's house with

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Speaker 4: her and his son in it back in two thousand

871
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Speaker 4: and eight. And if you look into the story, there

872
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 4: seems to be some credence to it, maybe like this

873
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: is some hardcore stuff going on here. And then t

874
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 4: I's other son, Demana, dropped a disc track called Miss

875
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 4: Jackson about Curtis Jackson's I'm saying like are you Proud

876
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: of your Son? Basically is a spin off of Miss

877
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Speaker 4: Jackson with obviously outcasts like this is like the Barry

878
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Speaker 4: Family brat So Rick John All Duncan at fifty at

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Speaker 4: once So.

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00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: Does fifty right and checked it as what can cash

881
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: what it sounds like.

882
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 4: It looks like the bully's finally getting bullied here more

883
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: FNA on FSR oh come back in it is FNA

884
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: on FSR and Madam oslo and get to Me at

885
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Speaker 4: follow adam a get to Kevin Figures at k FIG

886
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 4: one coming up a little bit later this hour. Well,

887
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 4: we just talked about some washed rappers having a beef.

888
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I wouldn't say that TI has washed. I

889
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: think he's when he puts some stuff out, he's pretty good.

890
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: He's very selective nowadays as in what he does, as

891
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 2: most older rappers are.

892
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 4: Okay, can I give you a line that he has

893
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 4: in one of the disc tracks to.

894
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: Because I have not heard any of them.

895
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: So that first song is called the right One, And

896
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 4: he said, you hate women. Guess that's why you can't

897
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 4: keep one. You can't love him because from your mama

898
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 4: you receive none. Oh no, you'd rather set fires to

899
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 4: houses with babies in him. I got paperwork from brothers

900
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 4: in prison. Your name is in him, Peter Parker, Journalism.

901
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 4: He's saying, I guess I'm venom. He's dropping venom lines. Well, sup, the.

902
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: Meme of the like the dude who like you know,

903
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: they're screaming and he puts his hands on his on

904
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: his side of his.

905
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 4: Head and falls forward. Morals won't break or bend him.

906
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: New Yorkers. You gonna defend him this year. King. That's

907
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 4: pretty good t I brought. He's trying to smoke him out.

908
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 4: He's trying to get fifty to come out and play.

909
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: I don't think fifty wants to smoke.

910
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: Kevin seeming like it nine shots that he took might

911
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 4: be better than what he's getting right now from t

912
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 4: I's family like it is. I thought he was the

913
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 4: King of Petty. They're not letting him up off the mat. No,

914
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 4: this stuff is dark Fifty from all angles it's crazy,

915
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 4: but I don't want to see anyone getting killed or

916
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 4: anything like. Squash the beef. Please smash burger it. But

917
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 4: maybe I could get a fifty disc track out of it.

918
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: I just haven't heard him in a while.

919
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: Just keep it on social media, keep it in the studio,

920
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: and don't let it go any further than that. We

921
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: don't need that, especially from two fifty year olds.

922
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 4: The hell are we doing. That's that's all I'm saying.

923
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 4: Keep it in the music, the whole album. Kendrick and

924
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: Draken it up fine. I mean not for Drake, but

925
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: I Kendrick ended.

926
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: Up just fine.

927
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 3: He got a Super Bowl performance out exactly.

928
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: About twenty minutes or so, the unintended consequences of the

929
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: NBA curbing load management and how that is affecting postseason awards,

930
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that coming up and about twenty minutes

931
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 2: or sober Right now, we have the NFL Draft combine

932
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: going on in Indianapolis, and right now we're bringing an

933
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: expert who are boots on the ground to talk about

934
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: Adam Let's go Alan Draking did.

935
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 4: Thank you, Dobby Well, they call the NFL Combine underwear Olympics.

936
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 4: I'd call it Zack Snyder's dream version of football abs overpads, style,

937
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 4: over substance, esthetics, over athletics to a degree, popcorn muscles

938
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 4: for popcorn movie directors. So to help us understand which

939
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 4: of these drills and measurements will actually translate to real

940
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 4: football on Sundays, we bring in a guy who's seen

941
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 4: this movie before, so to speak. And that's why he's

942
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 4: a senior writer for The Athletic who's a draft expert.

943
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 4: It's Nick bomb Gardner and he is the bomb. Follow

944
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 4: him at Nick bomb Gardner on x Nick thanks for

945
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 4: doing this here on f and A on FSR.

946
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 5: Absolutely, folse are you?

947
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 4: We are good. Let's get into the big picture view

948
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: of this, because how much weight does the NFL draft

949
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: have in twenty twenty six compared to where it used

950
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 4: to be? Like? Are we as focused on the measurables now?

951
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 4: Is the game film? Like? How has the process evolved

952
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: over the years?

953
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's it's super interesting. Like in a

954
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 5: lot of ways, it has evolved a lot with you

955
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 5: more data that you get and everything else. Right Like

956
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 5: you nowadays you have GPS tracking, right, so everybody in

957
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 5: college for the most part is going to have GPS

958
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 5: data from their teams in school. All the kids that

959
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 5: went and played at the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Bowl,

960
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 5: they got GPS there, So we already know, you know,

961
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 5: before they even get out in the field in Indianapolis,

962
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 5: how fast these guys are, and we know for the

963
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 5: most part how explosive they are. The one thing we

964
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 5: can't measure is agilities, which is why nobody which is

965
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 5: why nobody runs them in Indianapolis. So really, what it's

966
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 5: become over the years is a game of chicken in

967
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 5: a lot of ways, Like a lot of the guys

968
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 5: who are nervous about an area of their game that

969
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 5: they don't want to expose will almost always say I'll

970
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 5: do it at my pro day, and proteas are much

971
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 5: more of a friendly environment. And I think at this

972
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 5: point though, in general, I don't think that it's ever

973
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 5: been an event that supersedes tape or game film, right,

974
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 5: Like I think the film is always where you're developing

975
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 5: an opinion of a player, and then what you do

976
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 5: with the data. Like a guy, you know, you're confirmed

977
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 5: or denying what you're seeing on tape with your with

978
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 5: the data. So if you know, look, guy looks like,

979
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 5: it runs a four three and he comes out and

980
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 5: runs a four three. Great, If he comes out and

981
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 5: he runs a four five six or something, it's like, Okay,

982
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 5: well maybe that was not quite what we thought, right.

983
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 5: So I think that in some ways it hasn't changed,

984
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 5: but in other ways it's just gotten more and more

985
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 5: information and you just kind of kind of find ways

986
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 5: to figure out what's important and what's not.

987
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nick, you know, we've seen stars come out of

988
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: the NFL Draft Combine in the past. People remember Chris

989
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: Johnson running a blazing speed and whether or not that

990
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: did it didn't help him in his draft to certainly

991
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: put him on the map, and you look at the

992
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: star I guess from that standpoint, this weekend has been

993
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: sunny styles from Ohio State. Just your takeaway from what

994
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: you're her from scouts and what they're talking about. He

995
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: was already a pretty high draft prospect. Do you think

996
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: it's possible that his ceiling was raised potentially or his

997
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: draft stock, I should say, was raised based on his

998
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: performance at the combine.

999
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was because I think he's the

1000
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 5: type of guy at that position. You know, a linebacker's

1001
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 5: obviously a difficult spot. For a lot of teams to slot,

1002
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 5: and you know it's lower on the positional value chart

1003
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 5: obviously right there with running back. So if you're going

1004
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 5: to take a guy in the top five or the

1005
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 5: top three, and you know Sonny can do a lot

1006
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 5: of different stuff, you know he's got some extra hybrid

1007
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 5: to him, but for the most part, he's going to

1008
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 5: be an inside linebacker in the NFL. If you're gonna

1009
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 5: take a guy up there that high, he has to

1010
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 5: be generational, he has to be extremely special, and he

1011
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 5: has to be a type of player prospect athlete that

1012
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 5: maybe even could change the way we look at like

1013
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 5: what's the ideal you know, player for that position, and

1014
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 5: like this, this guy probably qualifies to be quite honest,

1015
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 5: like we really haven't seen a player come out quite

1016
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 5: like this. The close he's like, you know, Jack Campbell

1017
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 5: for the Lions, the same size, but longer and way

1018
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 5: more explosive and way way way faster, like not even close.

1019
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 5: Like Jack Campbell was already kind of an elite explosive guy.

1020
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 5: This is on another level, Like Sonny Styles was a

1021
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 5: safety who just kept getting bigger and never stopped running

1022
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 5: like a safety. So it's just an extremely unique situation,

1023
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 5: and really I think he's going to have to find

1024
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 5: the right team to really be kind of as open

1025
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 5: to doing as much with him as possible because he's

1026
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 5: that unique. But he could be a completely dynamic player

1027
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 5: in the middle of the defense and help change everything. Yeah,

1028
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 5: it's one of those really rare things, but also part

1029
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 5: of the new NFL. He's a fast guy in the

1030
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 5: middle and a lot of teams are looking for that

1031
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 5: right now.

1032
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: Nick Baumgarner joining us here on fn A on FSR,

1033
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: the Athletic Draft Analyst joining us here. So you talk

1034
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: about guys who's fit a pacific or specific prototype for

1035
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 2: certain positions. And another big name, A big story that's

1036
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: come out this weekend is about Ruben Bain, and people

1037
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: talked about the fact that he was going to measure

1038
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: having short arms, but obviously had great high level production

1039
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: at the University of Miami and probably the playoff run

1040
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: helped him even more so against really top competition.

1041
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 4: How do you think him measuring up or not measuring up?

1042
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: However you want to slice it with his arm length,

1043
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: now that would affect his potential draft slotting.

1044
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's one of those things where I

1045
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 5: think that for the most part, it was just something

1046
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 5: that confirmed what most scouts kind of feared that he

1047
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 5: was going to be pretty small. It's really small. Historically,

1048
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 5: I think he's got like the third or fourth small

1049
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 5: shortest arm length among edges at the combine since I

1050
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 5: think ninety ninety nine, so you know, in the last

1051
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 5: like quarter century, that's that we're talking about there. So

1052
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 5: it's an outlier for sure, which is not great you

1053
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 5: know sometimes with those measurables for some teams and everything else,

1054
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 5: because length on the edge is important if you're going

1055
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 5: to go play these tackles that have thirty four to

1056
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 5: thirty five in charms, and you have thirty in charms,

1057
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 5: like it's a problem. And you know, Reuben didn't run either.

1058
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,959
Speaker 5: I would have loved to see him run to maybe

1059
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 5: alleviate some of the you know, fears and everything else,

1060
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 5: because that's how you alleviate them. You alleviate them by

1061
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 5: saying on tape, I was the most intense, explosive guy.

1062
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 5: I got into everybody's chest before they keeping getting to

1063
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 5: their set, and I ran through them. To me, the

1064
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 5: way you combat stuff like that is you just be

1065
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 5: a completely you know, maniacal competitor, like Joe Burrow's hands

1066
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 5: didn't stopped mattering when people saw how good he was.

1067
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like that sort of thing,

1068
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 5: And I think that those are the things nowadays that

1069
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 5: these kids, I don't think they get great advice from

1070
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 5: some other agents. Like we all knew Ruben Bang was

1071
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 5: gonna have short arms, he said, you know, he was

1072
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 5: told at the combine what to say and what not

1073
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 5: to say. But like, but I'm also not going to

1074
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 5: test or doing anything else. That to me, I don't know.

1075
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 5: I don't love that. But at the same time, you

1076
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 5: watch the tape and that's what Trump's everything, right, So

1077
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 5: I think he's still a top end player. I just

1078
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 5: don't think what what the media, you know, has sort

1079
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 5: of viewed him as as maybe a top five or

1080
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 5: a top ten prospect. I don't think the NFL views

1081
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 5: him that way. I think he's more of a maybe

1082
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 5: a top fifteen, top twenty prospect. And there are some teams,

1083
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 5: not a lot, but there are some teams that have

1084
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 5: him as a three tech on Day two on their

1085
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 5: board and they're not going to draft it. So some

1086
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 5: teams aren't going to care. Some will, and it just

1087
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 5: depends on which ones really for him, but his range

1088
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 5: will be interesting for sure.

1089
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 4: Nick I was kind of hoping as an organ fan,

1090
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 4: Kenyan Sadiq would be returning with Dante More that's that's

1091
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 4: not happening. Man, what's the buzz?

1092
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 5: You got to know if there is an organ trip

1093
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 5: that would just a butch.

1094
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, overpowered. Hey, they're going to need it against Indiana. Still,

1095
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 4: I feel like, but what's the buzz on Kenyan Sadik

1096
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 4: right now? And where do you think he could end

1097
00:50:59,239 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 4: up going?

1098
00:50:59,719 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 9: Oh?

1099
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, he's kind of like the new wave of

1100
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 5: a dream tight end prospects in a lot of ways

1101
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 5: because there's just nothing that he can't do. You know,

1102
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 5: I think he's probably a better blocker honestly right now

1103
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 5: than Rock Bauers was when he came out, and that's

1104
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 5: saying an awful off a lot. I don't think he's

1105
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 5: quite the polished, you know everything else that Brock was

1106
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 5: when he came out. But the potential is there for

1107
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 5: him to be, you know, a three down weapon who's

1108
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 5: terrific in the open field and vertically as a tight

1109
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 5: end the way that everybody uses one nowadays. But you know,

1110
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 5: when we see teams like Seattle runs the ball with

1111
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 5: a bunch of tight ends on the field and full

1112
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 5: backs and they move guys around. They just won the

1113
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. The Bears made the big jump this year.

1114
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 5: They rooted everything in the run game. The Rams improved

1115
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 5: a lot with the three tight end look and everything else.

1116
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 5: I think the way that we're seeing teams in the

1117
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 5: NFL now utilized tight ends as inline blockers, but also

1118
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 5: guys that can move out in the slot and handle

1119
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 5: a defensive back in space for somebody right like on

1120
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 5: a quick screen or whatever else it is. It's just

1121
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 5: another explosive athlete that can move people. And I think

1122
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 5: Sadique's easily the best one in this class. I think

1123
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 5: he's certainly a first round pick. I just don't know where.

1124
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 5: And that's the tricky one with these tight ends, because

1125
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 5: it's like a lot of it is based on need.

1126
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 5: You know, do you need a top line tight end

1127
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 5: or not. There's only really one room for one on

1128
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 5: each roster, even though you know you can be multiple

1129
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 5: tight ends, but you need a top guy or not.

1130
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 5: And then you know, in relation to other stuff. So

1131
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 5: I mean, it could be anywhere, you know, from fifteen

1132
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 5: all the way down into the twenties. Loveland last year

1133
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 5: right there in the top ten. So who knows, But

1134
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 5: it depends on the fit, I guess. But I love

1135
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 5: that kid. He's great.

1136
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

1137
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: Sticking with the talk about the run game, Jeremiah Love

1138
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: seems to be sort of in a universe on his own.

1139
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: When it comes to the rest of the running back class,

1140
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: which a lot of people are saying is not very

1141
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: strong in this year, I guess one because of that reason,

1142
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: do you think it's possible that Jeremiah Love can get

1143
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: pumped up even more? Where do you think is a

1144
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: spot that he might land here in the first round?

1145
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: And then where do you think there's other value picks

1146
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: from the running back position? And what is yet again

1147
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: not the strongest class. Who do you think is someone who,

1148
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 2: if they find the right fick, can really be a

1149
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: standout player.

1150
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 5: Yeah? I love Jeremiah Love. I mean not to sound

1151
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 5: like that guy, but like that he is terrific. I

1152
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 5: mean I think it if I put him on my

1153
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,959
Speaker 5: board right now, he would be in the top five.

1154
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 5: And in terms of just you know, player to player,

1155
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 5: you know, whatever it is. And that's before he's even

1156
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 5: done anything. Out there at the combine. I think he's

1157
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 5: gonna do everything too, by the way, so that'll be

1158
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 5: interesting to see. He's a competitor and he's the guy

1159
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 5: that you know similarly too when we talk about Jon

1160
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 5: Robinson and Jamier Gibbs and take one Barkley, you'd never

1161
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 5: have take him off the field. He can do everything.

1162
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 5: He can run inside, outside, power zone, terrific receiver, terrific

1163
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 5: receiver to the point where he can go line up

1164
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 5: in the slot and beat guys off the line. You know,

1165
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 5: like that sort of thing would work great with another

1166
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 5: good running back too, would compliment another one as well,

1167
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 5: if you wanted to go in that direction. And I

1168
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 5: think that when I look at it, the team that

1169
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 5: makes the most sense for me for him as the

1170
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 5: Chiefs there in the top ten. They desperately need a

1171
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 5: running back. They're not going to have Mahomes there to

1172
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 5: begin the year. They needed one anyway. They need some

1173
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 5: more juice, and you know, I feel like he's the

1174
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 5: type of guy that is ready to go right away.

1175
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 5: He was the best play making offensive player in college

1176
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 5: football last year.

1177
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: For me.

1178
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 5: I mean I don't think it was. I actually thought

1179
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 5: I thought he should have no disperspective, Fernando, I thought

1180
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 5: Jeremiah Love should have won the Heisman. Yeah, I think

1181
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 5: he's I think he's awesome, and I think he'll be

1182
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 5: a I think he was better than Ashton Gentt last year,

1183
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 5: and I think he'll be a guy that has maybe

1184
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 5: more of an impact depending on where he goes.

1185
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 4: Nick ty Simpson came out and said, I feel like

1186
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 4: I'm ready. I'm a franchise quarterback. What's his ceiling in

1187
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 4: your view? And is he going to end up being

1188
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 4: a Day two guy?

1189
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he can be that guy. I think

1190
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 5: he'd begin I think he can be an NFL starter.

1191
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 5: It's just so hard to say because it's we're talking

1192
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 5: about one season with him, and you know, the last well,

1193
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 5: let's say thirty percent of that season wasn't very good.

1194
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 5: The first seventy percent was awesome, and there's a lot

1195
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 5: to like there. You know, he's got a really good arm,

1196
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 5: good arm talent, big physical kid with good movement in

1197
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 5: the pocket, really good feet can escape, and all the

1198
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 5: good stuff. But also he was at times the best

1199
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 5: processor you know to get from you know, to get

1200
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 5: the ball out of his hands basically without freaking out.

1201
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 5: In college football last season better than Mendoza for long stretches.

1202
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 5: So when you see that sort of thing, you're like.

1203
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah.

1204
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 5: I mean there were teams talking about, hey, maybe if

1205
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 5: he gets another year under his belt, maybe we see

1206
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 5: him as like in the top ten next year or

1207
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 5: something like that. But like he never you know, he's

1208
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 5: a little older, so he didn't want to wait. But

1209
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 5: it's great to hear he's confident. Right he's gonna throw,

1210
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 5: I believe in Indianapolis, I like to see that or

1211
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 5: hear that anyway, And right now, I think that's the

1212
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 5: best advice you give him is just go be competitive

1213
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 5: and try to be yourself. And I do think he

1214
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 5: can be a good player. I do think he'll he

1215
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 5: could be a first round pick somewhere where along the

1216
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 5: where where Jackson Dart ended up last year, like late twenties.

1217
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 5: But at the same time, I think there are gonna

1218
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 5: be a lot of teams that have him, you know,

1219
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 5: round two, round three grade, because they're just not going

1220
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 5: to see it based on you know, we don't need

1221
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 5: that right now, and it'd be too much squinting to

1222
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 5: see him as a starter right now.

1223
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: Before we move on and talk more about the quarterbacks

1224
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: that are in this I want to talk about someone

1225
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 2: who is not, and that is Trinidad Chambliss. I don't

1226
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: know how much how deep you've had to be able

1227
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: to dig into the tape when it comes to him.

1228
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: But knowing that he's not in this draft class, I'm

1229
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 2: curious as to your thoughts. For someone who does this

1230
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: for a living, where would he stack in your opinion

1231
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: along with everybody else in this draft class if you

1232
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: were coming out.

1233
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a great question. And honestly, I think

1234
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 5: this Trinderdad Chambliss, the situation should be paid. People should

1235
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 5: be paying more attention to it, quite honestly, because I

1236
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 5: thought Trinidad Chambliss would have been either right neck and

1237
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 5: neck with Ty Simpson or maybe ahead of him when

1238
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 5: the whole thing was over with right, Like Mendoza is

1239
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 5: clearly number one. He's the only guy in this class

1240
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 5: that we would stamp and say first round quarterback, you know,

1241
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 5: no question about it. He's going to be fine. Everybody

1242
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 5: else is kind of like on the fringe, right, And

1243
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 5: I think Chambliss was right in there. I think he

1244
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 5: could have gone to the combin. He's a smart guy,

1245
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 5: got way better as the season went on, is unique,

1246
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 5: really really good arm I think he could have impressed

1247
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 5: people as time went on. I think he was going

1248
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 5: to be a top fifty player, you know, one way

1249
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 5: or the other. Maybe QB three, QB four at the worst.

1250
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 5: But he even if you get picked in this even

1251
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 5: if he got picked at the bottom in the first round,

1252
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 5: let's say the money he was going to make at

1253
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 5: Old miss Or is making you know, whatever it ends

1254
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 5: up being there at Old miss Or, I guess if

1255
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 5: you wanted to transfer to it was going to be

1256
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 5: more in college than what he was going to get

1257
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 5: in the NFL. But based on the slot selleries and everything,

1258
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 5: so that is impacting these quarterback classes. We are seeing

1259
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 5: guys go back to school and now they're you know,

1260
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 5: kind of got in the open. They're fighting their way

1261
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 5: back in some cases.

1262
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 4: Right.

1263
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 5: So I've told people for a couple of months now,

1264
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 5: like if you're, if you're a team that is consistently like, well,

1265
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 5: we're just gonna wait till next year on this quarterback class.

1266
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 5: Like I would really really pump the brakes on some

1267
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 5: of that because it's extremely difficult to project these quarterback

1268
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 5: classes out a year ahead of time. With stuff like this,

1269
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 5: because this nil has changed everything. It's turned everything upside down.

1270
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 5: With that, guys wait longer they don't feel rushed, and

1271
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 5: then if they do feel rushed, you wonder why. Right,

1272
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 5: So it's it's very interesting. But that's that's that's really

1273
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 5: a story to watch and more people should probably be

1274
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 5: talking about.

1275
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: It because we moved back to this year's class and

1276
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: the guys who are in after Mendoza and after Simpson

1277
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: has sort of number three, number four as far as

1278
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: the quarterback rankings go. I've kind of seen it all

1279
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: over the place. I've seen Garrett Nusmeyer up there. A

1280
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: lot of people love Cole Payton from North Dakota State.

1281
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: Carson Beck showed himself well down down the stretch of

1282
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: the season for the University of Miami. People love the

1283
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: athletic ability of Taylor Green. Just how do you see

1284
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: the rest of the quarterback class stacking up and guys

1285
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: who you think can actually make an impact earlier in

1286
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: their careers if they land in the right spot.

1287
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this weekend is actually maybe pretty big

1288
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 5: for this group, possibly if they all go out there

1289
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 5: and throw the ball around little bit, because they're all

1290
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 5: kind of log Jammed and Garrett Nussmeyer. I think had

1291
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 5: the best All Star weekend of any of these guys.

1292
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 5: I think he's probably QB three right now, looked healthy

1293
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 5: for the first time in a while, And when you

1294
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 5: get over the fact that LSU was dysfunctional last year,

1295
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 5: that's not all his fault, right. I think you can

1296
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 5: say the same thing about kay club Nick to a degree.

1297
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 5: At Clemson, he had a good All Star game as well.

1298
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 5: And the one guy that I have had circled for

1299
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 5: months and it's again, it's gonna be a really hard one,

1300
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 5: just like ty Simpson, is Cole Payton, who is just

1301
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 5: an outstanding athlete six three two twenty five left lefty.

1302
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 5: Some scouts absolutely love him, you know, and have talked

1303
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 5: about him maybe as a pushing into the first round

1304
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 5: or somewhere up into the top fifty anyway. But it's

1305
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 5: the same thing with Tyde Simpson. He waited his old

1306
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 5: career started one season there at North Dakota State. A

1307
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 5: lot of people wondered if he could ever be a quarterback,

1308
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 5: like if he was just gonna be like a Taysom

1309
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 5: Hill type guy. So we're gonna see I mean, he's

1310
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 5: you know, he was at the senior bowlt did okay,

1311
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 5: Like we'll see how he does, you know, for the

1312
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 5: rest of the week at Indianapolis. We'll say he does

1313
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 5: with the team interviews and everything else. But he's a

1314
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 5: wild card and he could be one that's that's really

1315
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 5: want to watch. I would say the same thing about

1316
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,439
Speaker 5: Drew Aller, the kid from Penn State who got hurt

1317
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 5: and kind of disappeared, and I think everybody forgot about him,

1318
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 5: Like there was a time last year on this time

1319
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 5: where people wondered if he would have been a first

1320
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 5: round pick as well. So if he can get healthy,

1321
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 5: you know, and get going again, maybe there's some other

1322
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 5: guys like that's what's going to have to change, the

1323
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 5: guys like Nussmeyer, Club, Nick Peyton, Drew Aller. You know,

1324
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 5: right now, these teams are going to see them as

1325
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,919
Speaker 5: they're probably backups, but they're also backups that you could

1326
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 5: develop if you put them in the right situation and

1327
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 5: maybe turn a starter out of them someday. And what

1328
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 5: we were just talking about with Shambliss, you might have

1329
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 5: to get creative now because you're not going to have

1330
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 5: this deep, deep pool every year. I don't think the

1331
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 5: grip to grab out of, So I think that's going

1332
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 5: to be a big part of it.

1333
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 4: Nick lass One. For me, I like asking talent evaluators

1334
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 4: and guys who watch the film and the tape on

1335
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 4: these guys just what exactly is their number one trait

1336
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 4: they're looking for that separates quarterbacks. For instance, I've asked

1337
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 4: Daniel Jeremiah before and he says, it's poise. It's being

1338
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 4: able to stand tull in the pocket, take those hits

1339
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 4: and still make throws. What are you looking for when

1340
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 4: you're watching tape on these guys?

1341
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 5: For me, it's their feet. It's where my eyes go

1342
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 5: first every time, like you know, men. That's why Mendoza

1343
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 5: for me, was the guy this year. Probably before the

1344
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 5: year started, I thought he had probably the best footwork

1345
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 5: in terms of consistency, Like are you consistent on your drops?

1346
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 5: You know, if the play calls for a five step drop,

1347
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 5: are you actually dropping on five and coming and throwing

1348
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 5: the ball or is it like a two and a

1349
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 5: half step drop where you stand there for a minute

1350
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,479
Speaker 5: and then fade away or do one of these things

1351
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 5: and everything gets off. Timing like that is such a

1352
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 5: problem with these young quarterbacks and so when they have

1353
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 5: it naturally, it just becomes so much easier to work

1354
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 5: with them. Still for me, I start with that almost

1355
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 5: every time. And I think DJ's one hundred percent on

1356
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 5: he played quarterbacks. He knows better than I do. But

1357
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 5: like that's the other one right there with the footwork

1358
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 5: is does the pressure that you're facing impact your process?

1359
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 5: And for the guys like a Mendoza, it doesn't. And

1360
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 5: cam Ward was a little bit like this to last

1361
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 5: year where when he would really get grooven, the pressure

1362
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 5: doesn't bother him. The feet are going to be the same,

1363
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 5: the delivery is going to be the same no matter

1364
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 5: what every time. And it's just like a good pitcher

1365
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 5: or hitter or golfer, you know, with the swing and everything.

1366
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 5: It's got to be consistent and the same no matter

1367
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 5: what you're doing. And the best ones have it and

1368
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 5: the ones that don't don't. And that's kind of the

1369
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 5: separator there.

1370
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: Nick Bombgarner has it and he does get for the

1371
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: athletic covering the NFL Draft. Follow him on x at

1372
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 2: Nick Bombgardner. Nick, this was excellent man, much appreciated. Hopefully

1373
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: we can get you back on the show as we

1374
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: get closer.

1375
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 5: To draft time absolute you guys, any time there he.

1376
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 4: Goes I like Nick, it was actually need him on

1377
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 4: like five more times before the NFL Draft Affle actually

1378
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 4: goes off.

1379
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 3: You can stay on with us the remainder of the show.

1380
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 4: I felt smarter smart, that's right, yeh. I would let

1381
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 4: him go. Yeah, I mean we could keep him for

1382
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 4: the next hour and a half. Here, I guess we are.

1383
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 4: We are we cool like that with him?

1384
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 3: Well, it sounded like it to me, sounded real familiar.

1385
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 4: So work for me, all right, We'll be BFFs forever.

1386
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 4: Coming up next here on FNA. On FSR, we got

1387
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 4: to talk about this NBA sixty five rule and Draymond

1388
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 4: Green had an interesting comment regarding Luka Dacic. Who Laker

1389
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 4: fans are now turning on? This is FNA.

1390
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

1391
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Speaker 3: What are we investigating tonight?

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01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 4: A cotton?

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Speaker 2: your presets in the iHeart app, so it always pops

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Speaker 2: up at the top of your screen.

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01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 3: Again, just search Fox Sports.

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01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 2: Radio in the iHeart app.

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01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 4: He's Kevin Figures, I'm out of Moslin. This is FNA

1404
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,439
Speaker 4: on FSR. You know what's funny? Coincidentally, tonight, Kevin, since

1405
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 4: we've been talking about this rap beef, guess what movie

1406
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 4: is on showtime tonight? Get Rich or Die? Try it

1407
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,479
Speaker 4: a way, of course. Meanwhile, t I, in his entire

1408
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 4: family is doing fifty cent like fifty cent did jaw

1409
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 4: Rule twenty years ago? Well, yeah, I never saw the movie.

1410
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 4: I heard it was really bad. I've seen his acting.

1411
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 4: I know it's really bad. I know Power is very,

1412
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 4: very popular.

1413
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 3: You haven't miss much.

1414
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 4: You didn't miss much, Okay, thank you. Coming up later

1415
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 4: this hour, will we be watching Mayweather versus Pakiao two.

1416
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 4: I mean, the first time they fought it already felt overdue.

1417
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: It was ten years too late. The first time they

1418
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: did it ten years ago or whatever it was. I

1419
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: think it was nine or ten years ago.

1420
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,959
Speaker 4: They're really trying to do a sequel, like it's Dumb

1421
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 4: and Dumber two twenty five years later and they think

1422
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 4: we're going to enjoy this like, are you going to

1423
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 4: take our money? Maybe?

1424
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: I don't know they did to me and his money.

1425
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 4: We'll talk about it. But the NBA they got a

1426
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 4: problem right now, Kevin, Yeah, real one. I mean a

1427
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 4: lot of them. But this is this is one of

1428
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 4: a myriad of problems with the NBA currently.

1429
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: So one of the big issues that has plagued the

1430
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: NBA over the past I don't know, would you say

1431
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: ten fifteen years or so. And really Greg Popovich started

1432
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: this idea of load management years ago.

1433
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 4: With Lebron James's fault. It's all on Lebron. You know.

1434
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 2: There was the famous game where the Spurs I think

1435
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: they were playing. I think it was the Heatles. As

1436
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, they were going down to Miami

1437
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: for a TNT game and the Spurs didn't even fly

1438
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: out their big three, Tony Parker managing Nobili and Tim

1439
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: Duncan didn't even go to the game, didn't even give

1440
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 2: him the flight, and the league was pissed off. Obviously,

1441
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: I believe David Stern was still the commissionering and Levy.

1442
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 3: A hefty fine.

1443
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: Oh he did, yeah, against the San Antonio Spurs. And

1444
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: so the idea of sitting healthy players, I mean, and

1445
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: he would make a total mockery of it. Great papulas

1446
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: with people like list Tim Duncan, as D and p

1447
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: Old have an injury designation.

1448
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 3: It was just just entire total mockery of as to

1449
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 3: why he wasn't playing.

1450
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 4: You know, Coach lou referenced that the other night when

1451
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 4: Nico Batoum got a D n p who's thirty six

1452
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 4: or thirty seven?

1453
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: Now?

1454
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 4: He said d n p Old for him? Wait?

1455
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,479
Speaker 3: Wait was that his designation D and p Old?

1456
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 4: I think it was at least what the media was interesting. Now,

1457
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody cared because it's Nico, Buttom. It's

1458
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 4: not exactly Tim Duncan. As much as I love Nico Batoum, Yeah,

1459
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 4: I don't think any fine was coming.

1460
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 2: So a couple of seasons ago to curb tanking because

1461
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: it had become an epidemic for a long period time

1462
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: where guys were just sitting second nights back to backs,

1463
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: and some guys are like literally managing injuries like Kawhi

1464
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: Leonard like we've talked about, and some guys I just

1465
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: give an extra night arrest here and there. What difference

1466
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: does it make? So what the NBA did is they

1467
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: put this threshold. You have to play sixty five of

1468
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: the eighty two games in the season in order to

1469
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: be eligible to make the All NBA team, When Defensive

1470
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: Player of the Year, when Most Valuable Player.

1471
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know if I'm.

1472
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 2: Guessing that probably extends to Most Improved Player, Rookie of

1473
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 2: the Year, all of those postseason awards that you will

1474
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: be able to win at the end of the regular season.

1475
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 2: You have to be able to play I guess what

1476
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 2: in effect is eighty percent of the games of the

1477
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 2: regular season.

1478
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 4: It's really testing the axiom, the old saying of the

1479
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 4: best ability is availability. He does, that's what's going on

1480
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 4: right now? Is that true?

1481
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: Well, here's what I'll say, Adam, because I didn't look

1482
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 2: this up. So you realize, only one time in league

1483
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 2: history for an eighty two game season has a player

1484
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: played sixty five or fewer games and actually won the

1485
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 2: MVP quiz hot shot.

1486
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 4: Do you know who that player was, Bill Walton?

1487
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 3: Yes, in nineteen seventy seven, seventy eight.

1488
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 4: I like, the only play had that off top, but

1489
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 4: I did read the same thing.

1490
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, So now it's happened in other years. Obviously,

1491
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: you have lockouts and strike shortened seasons, and you had

1492
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: the pandemic, so those don't count.

1493
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 3: We're talking about for a full eighty two game season.

1494
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: So to a certain degree, the standard has kind of

1495
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 2: already been set. Generally speaking, the MVP is not a

1496
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: guy who doesn't play upwards of seventy plus games during

1497
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 2: the regular season. So now the issue we're running into now,

1498
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 2: and we just witnessed these two guys square off on

1499
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 2: Friday night, shake Yogis Alexander and Oklahoma City.

1500
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 4: Who didn't look like he missed nine games. He looked spectacular.

1501
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 4: Squared off is squared up. H Well, so ye, this joker,

1502
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 4: the new.

1503
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: Mister triple double Nicola jokicch you know, absolutely squared up

1504
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: and showed a little bit of toughness.

1505
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 3: I love sot a little bit of fight. I like that.

1506
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 4: Did it look like to you he did kind of

1507
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 4: throw a punch there. It was just awkward, so they

1508
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 4: couldn't There was enough wiggle room for them not to

1509
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 4: say he threw a punch to kick him out of

1510
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 4: that game.

1511
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he threw his arm out there. I don't know

1512
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: if it was a closed fist. And look, the NBA

1513
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 2: this is something that they can you know, review retroactively,

1514
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: you know, and then so this is possible and Nicola

1515
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 2: Yogi could face the suspension, which would be huge for

1516
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: the conversation we're having right now because he and Shae

1517
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 2: Yodas Alexander are the two front and front runners for

1518
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 2: the MVP odds right now. The problem is both of

1519
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 2: those guys are tiptoeing really close, and especially Jokic, to

1520
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 2: the threshold where they won't be eligible to win the

1521
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: Most Valuable Player Award. Nikola Jokic can only miss two

1522
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: more games, and I believe the Nuggets have twenty two

1523
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: games left on their schedule. He can only miss a

1524
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 2: couple of more games. Now, Shay has a little bit

1525
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: more wiggle room.

1526
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 4: Uh, I think Jokic is at one now, so it

1527
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 4: was one now, Okay, he gets suspended a game that's done.

1528
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 4: So this is a huge ruling. After, you know, they

1529
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 4: send it to the League office and they really get

1530
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 4: a comb over all the tape and come down to

1531
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 4: a verdict.

1532
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,440
Speaker 5: I told it the League office.

1533
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: Well, and we're talking about the MVP race between the

1534
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: two of them, when we can get back into that.

1535
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 2: But I just want to say on a bigger picture standpoint.

1536
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 2: It's not just the MVP, it's all NBA, And why

1537
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 2: is that important. These guys have contract incentives. If you

1538
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 2: make an All NBA team, you get a bonus kicker.

1539
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: You won an MVP award, you get bonus kickers. It's

1540
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: part Lebron James said this on a podcast he did

1541
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: I think about a month or so ago. It can't

1542
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 2: end up effect affecting guys' legacies whether or not they

1543
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 2: don't make an All NBA team, whether they win the

1544
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year or an MVP awards, those

1545
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,600
Speaker 2: sort of things end up making a career. So I

1546
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 2: do understand the argument that if these guys are robbed

1547
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 2: of the opportunity to be able to be eligible for

1548
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 2: these awards, it can't end up affecting their legacies down

1549
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: the line.

1550
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 4: I think we all like the rule initially because it

1551
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 4: felt like a reaction to the load management stuff and

1552
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 4: guys sitting out games and this somehow would get them

1553
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 4: to play more. But it turns out a lot of

1554
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 4: these guys are sitting out because they are hurt, actually hurt,

1555
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 4: and they're not just sitting out for fun. You called

1556
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 4: melas So this is the proof because Nikol Jokich, who's

1557
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 4: already won three MVPs, but he'd like one more. I'm

1558
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 4: sure to bring back and show his horses in the

1559
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 4: homeland like this is it. If he's not able to

1560
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 4: win the MVP this season because of this rule, I

1561
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 4: think maybe we've gone too far, because the MVP has

1562
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 4: always been representative of the best players. Believe it or not,

1563
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 4: that's crazy idea.

1564
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 2: I know, usually best player on best team, which Denver

1565
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 2: is not currently, But I mean the numbers the Joker

1566
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 2: has been putting up, and I do think there might

1567
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 2: be an element of and even though he's one of

1568
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 2: the favorites, maybe there isn't quite yet a little.

1569
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 4: Bit of voter fatigue to a certain degree.

1570
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: Oh, he got then so great and so dominant for

1571
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 2: the past five six years whatever, it's been, the averaging

1572
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: of a triple double and dominating every single night. It

1573
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 2: is phenomenal, and it should not be lost on how

1574
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 2: phenomenal it is. But I do wonder if that could

1575
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: end up, that he could be a victim of his

1576
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: own greatness when it comes to that.

1577
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 4: Oh, I think there's some voter fatigue with him, for sure.

1578
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 4: For sure, it happened against Embiid, and it happened last

1579
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 4: year against SGA. If there's anybody close to Niko I Jokic,

1580
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 4: they will give it to the other guy. Even though

1581
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 4: I think you can make the argument last season Jokicic

1582
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 4: was still the best player, the most impactful player on

1583
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 4: his team. The plus minus swing versus when he's on

1584
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 4: the court and off, which is so drastic, Like Denver,

1585
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 4: Denver was like maybe a playing team when he's off

1586
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 4: the court, maybe they're ninth or tenth if they didn't

1587
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 4: have Nikola Jokic. That's how much he means when he's

1588
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 4: out there. I just it would be strange to see.

1589
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 4: And it's no disrespect to Kay Cunningham, but there are

1590
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 4: tiers when it comes to superstars. When you're talking about

1591
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 4: top ten players and top five players, it's not just well,

1592
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 4: the fifth guy is a little bit worse than the

1593
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 4: fourth guy. These two guys, Sga and Jokic, they separate themselves.

1594
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 4: They're really in their own class. They're that good. They're

1595
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 4: typically that available too, but they are the two best

1596
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 4: players in the game for a reason, and that's why

1597
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 4: they're the top of the MVP voting right now.

1598
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 2: I am not ready to change the rule quite yet,

1599
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 2: because this seems to be kind of an outlier, and

1600
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 2: not just for that. I mean, like throughout history we

1601
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: just gave you the example of Bill Walton. It just

1602
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 2: doesn't happen that guys like this don't end up playing

1603
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 2: the great majority of the schedule. I realize these guys

1604
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 2: are legitimately hurt, They're not low managing. I understand all

1605
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: of that, but I do think availability should factor in

1606
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 2: to a certain degree. At least it's like the no

1607
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 2: should I understand the notion of look at how bad

1608
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 2: this team is without blank player versus how good they

1609
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 2: look when he is playing, And there's something to that,

1610
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: although I will say for this particular season, Denver ten

1611
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: and six without Jokic, Oka see seven and four without Sga,

1612
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 2: very small sample sizes. Obviously neither of those teams are

1613
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 2: doing much in the postseason without those great players. But

1614
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 2: I think the argument might be different if if the

1615
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 2: thunder or over or something like that, or Denver was

1616
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 2: you know, six games under five hundred without Nicola Jokic.

1617
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 2: And as a part of me that also thinks like

1618
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 2: if guys are legitimately hurt, they shouldn't be penalized for

1619
01:12:58,880 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 2: not playing sixty.

1620
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 3: I understand that notion. The flip side is, if you.

1621
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: Know you're in the MVP race and maybe you're slightly

1622
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 2: dinged up, maybe you're more apt to play through some

1623
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 2: pain or as opposed to taking a random night off,

1624
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: which I think was the spirit as to why this

1625
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 2: rule was put in. If you're dinged up, we understand,

1626
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 2: but can you play through it as opposed to just

1627
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: kind of playing it safe.

1628
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 3: I think that's the reason why the NBA did it.

1629
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 2: They don't want guys who are out legitimately injured playing

1630
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 2: out there with a torn achilles or something.

1631
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 3: But if you're just dealing with a.

1632
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 2: Little nick here and there, and you legitimately can play,

1633
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 2: and they're sitting here for precautionary reasons, I think that's

1634
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 2: what the league wants to avoid.

1635
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's supposed to be a motivating factor, and maybe

1636
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 4: it's worked and helped to some small degree. I just

1637
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 4: think it would be a shame and be a little

1638
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 4: bit awkward if everybody knows Ky Cunningham is not the

1639
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 4: best player in the league, even though he's having a

1640
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 4: good season. But no, he's not close. He's not in

1641
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 4: the same stratosphere as SGA and Jokic. I'm sorry, it

1642
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 4: would just be a little bit strange to see him

1643
01:13:58,240 --> 01:13:59,959
Speaker 4: holding up the Most Valuable Player.

1644
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 3: Trop I don't disagree.

1645
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: And there's also the element, I guess the way to

1646
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 2: say face on that is if Detroit does end up

1647
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 2: with the best record, which they still could, it's very

1648
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: much within their grasp the best player on the best team.

1649
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 2: People can follow that narrative and say, like, well, by

1650
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: the way, he didn't come out anyway. If you look

1651
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,799
Speaker 2: at Caig's numbers, yeah, they're pretty much identical to last season.

1652
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 2: The team is better, but his individual production, even efficiency wise,

1653
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 2: pretty much across the board is either about the same,

1654
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 2: if not slightly worse. But the team is performing better.

1655
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 2: So if he's best player on best team, I think

1656
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 2: a lot of people will say, you know what, I think,

1657
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: Yokichen SGA are better players, but they got their MVPs.

1658
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 3: Let's give it to kid. He's had a great season.

1659
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 4: It's not the end of the world. It's nothing to

1660
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 4: pearl clutch about or anything like that. And I will

1661
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 4: point out he plays in the Eastern Conference and West

1662
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 4: is a gauntlet out here, and it's tougher to have

1663
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 4: the best record in the league, of course in the

1664
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 4: West when they're duking it out the way they are.

1665
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 4: But it just maybe we make too much of the

1666
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 4: MVP conversation because a lot of the time people will

1667
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 4: forget at six months later, who was the season, like?

1668
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 4: Was it was it Jokic? No? Last year was Shay Like.

1669
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 4: It's hard to remember some of these things. So it's

1670
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 4: a topic point, it's a narrative that maybe gets worn down,

1671
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 4: and you know, we want to know who the MVP

1672
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 4: of the finals is eventually, that's what matters here. And

1673
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 4: both these guys also have Finals MVP trophies, So I

1674
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 4: hear right. I said the same thing basically about some

1675
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 4: of the tanking rules. I think that is an outlier

1676
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 4: with how extreme it's been this season. I wouldn't change anything.

1677
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 4: So I subscribe to your argument of this is an

1678
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 4: outlier with the MVP issue, and let's not change the

1679
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 4: sixty five game rule based upon one season.

1680
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 2: Here break out the ben Gay No guys are back

1681
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1682
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1687
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1688
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:13,920
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1689
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Speaker 4: By the way, as well, you know somebody else, no

1690
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1692
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Speaker 4: Is it that time? Do we we have to get

1702
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 4: into this? Yes? We just talked about this stuff last week.

1703
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 3: We did well part of it.

1704
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 2: So last week we talked about old you know, old

1705
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 2: guys and you know, not knowing when to hang it up,

1706
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 2: not knowing when to say die, all that stuff, and

1707
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 2: we referenced Floyd Mayweather having an exhibition fight against Mike Tyson,

1708
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 2: who he's giving one hundred and fifty pounds to or

1709
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 2: whatever it is. You know, this is just going to

1710
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 2: be an old school UFC battle between the two of them.

1711
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, but those are one hundred and fifty pounds. It's

1712
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 4: not the same amount of muscle mass and density like

1713
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 4: it used to be with Mike Tyston. You've seen that

1714
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 4: picture of his ass unfortunately, Yes, we've all seen it.

1715
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, it can't just be me.

1716
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in great shape. He's eating fruits and vegetables

1717
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 2: and doing Maha commercials.

1718
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, Yeah, I'm still written for him

1719
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 4: in that fight. I'll tell you that.

1720
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 2: So we slide off of the exhibition bout that Floyd

1721
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 2: is going to have with Mike Tyson and then find

1722
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 2: out that later this year he's actually going to have

1723
01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:01,719
Speaker 2: a legit sanctioned fight records on the line against many

1724
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 2: pac yao.

1725
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 3: The last time these two fault was twenty and fifteen.

1726
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 2: I believe it was Adham, and that was probably about

1727
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 2: eight years later than every when everybody wanted to see it.

1728
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 4: I remember David Magdaleno back in Burbank brought in like

1729
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 4: his own direct TV or whatever. The equivalent of the

1730
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 4: Amazon firestick was back then to hack in, so we

1731
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 4: could watch the fight on a five seventy raw. Those

1732
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 4: were the days, the salad days.

1733
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, the fight was solid enough, but nowhere

1734
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 2: near as good as it could have been, you know,

1735
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 2: and I'm being somewhat generous.

1736
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 4: Well, Manny got off the Royds by that time, so.

1737
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 2: Well, Manny was off the roids, and Floyd was dancing

1738
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 2: like he always does, man, which.

1739
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 4: Is just one great shotting that everybody watched on repeat.

1740
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 4: Just it was great to see Floyd take a flush

1741
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 4: punch to the face for like the first time since

1742
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 4: Sugar Shane Mosley got it.

1743
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just wasn't And a few of Floyd's fights

1744
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 2: ever have been entertaining, to be honest with you, there's

1745
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 2: a sweet science, and but nobody wants to stand there.

1746
01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 3: And I can't say nobody.

1747
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 2: I think, if anything, people tuned into Floyd's fights just

1748
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 2: in hopes that he would lose.

1749
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:05,759
Speaker 3: I don't think a few people tuned.

1750
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 2: Into Floyd's like, oh my god, this is gonna be

1751
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 2: a real exciting fight. You're just gonna see a guy

1752
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 2: just kind of dancing around and avoiding punches for twelve rounds.

1753
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 4: I definitely didn't tune into him versus Connor McGregor because

1754
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 4: it was going to be a real exciting fight, was

1755
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 4: going to be you know what, I'm giving McGregor around,

1756
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 4: Connor went around.

1757
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 6: I think.

1758
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 4: Was it a fake? Was Floyd actually fighting? No, he

1759
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 4: was doing some dancing there. So I was playing with him.

1760
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 4: He played with him the entire fight. Hey, he toyed

1761
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 4: with him a lot. And his style it wins, but

1762
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 4: it wins on the judges cards. And to see this

1763
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 4: happen when the first fight was five years too late

1764
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 4: and many already didn't look the same. He didn't have

1765
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 4: the same pop with his punches. Oh and by the

1766
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 4: way it came out afterwards. Now, I don't know how

1767
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 4: much credence we should put into this, but he had

1768
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 4: an injury to his shoulder right going into it. That

1769
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 4: was the reason. Well, I don't know if that was

1770
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 4: the case, but I think now it's just age is

1771
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 4: going to be the issue regardless. Both shoulders are going

1772
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 4: to be hurting.

1773
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 2: My problem I had him and they're just not a

1774
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 2: big draw in boxing anymore, and so we have to

1775
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 2: keep reaching back. We have to do the novelties with

1776
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 2: the Paul brothers. We have to do what I would

1777
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 2: consider this, even though it's going to be a professional fight,

1778
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: a novelty of two all time greats fighting when they're

1779
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 2: well past their prime and passed the retirement. Manny retired

1780
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 2: twice and came back and fought last year. As a

1781
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 2: matter of fact, Floyd hasn't fought in a legitimate fighting

1782
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 2: since McGregor, So.

1783
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:35,839
Speaker 3: What can argue are legitimate?

1784
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 4: That was who you're taking quiz hot shot? Having said that,

1785
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 4: who you got here? Kevin?

1786
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: Sure, I'll give it to Floyd?

1787
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 3: Why the hell not?

1788
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 4: Like can he do as much dancing? What if? What

1789
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 4: if his age slows him down to the point he

1790
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 4: has to fight a little bit more on a phone booth.

1791
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 2: Manny is slower too, that's the thing. And you were

1792
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 2: fighting somebody who was who was thirty, maybe it'd be different.

1793
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 2: Before it's fighting fighting basically the Spider Man mean pointing

1794
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 2: at each other.

1795
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 4: I'm rotten for Manny, but it's probably gonna be Floyd

1796
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 4: winning by the decision once again.

1797
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 3: So the question is, are it's not pay per view?

1798
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 3: I don't think are you watching it?

1799
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll find a way.

1800
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's on Netflix, so I think

1801
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: a lot of people have Netflix. It shouldn't be that

1802
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 2: difficult to find.

1803
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 4: We want to tell, I can get you. Tell, I

1804
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 4: can find a way to find to get this fight.

1805
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 5: Now.

1806
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 4: I am going to watch. And that in the end

1807
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 4: is the problem here. As much as we bitch about this,

1808
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 4: as much as we say this is disgusting, it's a

1809
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 4: boxing abomination, this never should happen, We're all still gonna

1810
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 4: tune in, stay tuned with us here.

1811
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 2: That's right, final hour of fn A on FSR here

1812
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Saturday. Hit us up on X at

1813
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 2: k fig one and that follow out. I may a

1814
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 2: couple of you guys have checked in. Our friend Big

1815
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 2: Lou checked in on X well, Jason B. Diamond has

1816
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 2: checked in on X a little bit, so by by

1817
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 2: all means, hit us up, let us know what's on

1818
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: your mind.

1819
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 4: Coming up in just a little bit back into the

1820
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 4: NF but also later this hour, Kevin, I know we

1821
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 4: got an open segment on the back end, And speaking

1822
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 4: of back ends, where are you going here?

1823
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 2: Because I know it's outside of safe harbor hours, but

1824
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: still we're in safe Harbor hours.

1825
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 4: I got rear ended earlier today, not just rear ended

1826
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 4: in a drive through. I'll tell you what happened later

1827
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 4: on this hour, if we have time. I think it's

1828
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 4: a worthy story to get into. Kevin, I'm not happy

1829
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 4: about it. This is my therapy. It's cathartic to talk

1830
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 4: things through. I had a rough day today.

1831
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,679
Speaker 2: So most importantly, you didn't like no, is your car okay?

1832
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 2: And then make sure you didn't like, get your food,

1833
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 2: didn't get all disheveled and throw all over your all

1834
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 2: your shirt and you know, all your your car.

1835
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:46,719
Speaker 3: That's that's the big issue.

1836
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 2: I don't want to make sure your car is not messy

1837
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 2: in your tree, your clothes aren't messy and all that.

1838
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 4: The food came out just fine. My car is fine

1839
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 4: on the interior. The exterior though, got a little bit

1840
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 4: banged up here.

1841
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 2: There's any number of you know, how's your next feeling?

1842
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 2: You need to call an attorney? Wait a second, there's

1843
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: any number of them you can call these days, I

1844
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 2: feel like every other ad on TV is about injury attorney.

1845
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 4: We're is sweet, James. Maybe I am hurt.

1846
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 5: I'm hurt my back.

1847
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 4: I'm like hea K five is hurting right now. Okay,

1848
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 4: we'll get into that. But Kevin, you came up with

1849
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 4: a nice idea to theme things out here in the

1850
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 4: first segment of the Last Hour once again.

1851
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 2: Well, you're talking about injuries, and so I saw John

1852
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 2: Carlos Standing of the Yankees apparently said earlier this week

1853
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 2: that he cannot even open a water bottle. He's dealing

1854
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 2: with such a severe case of tennis elbow that the

1855
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 2: most mundane things are very difficult for him to do.

1856
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 5: Well.

1857
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 4: To be fair, the Aqua Fina tops are really lashed

1858
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 4: on there. Those ones are tough. Crystal geyser. Come on,

1859
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 4: I can do that with my teeth.

1860
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 2: Please, Arrowhead up, I own, but do you drink that stuff?

1861
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 4: No?

1862
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:53,799
Speaker 3: Arrowheaders, they're not a sponsor.

1863
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: I don't believe.

1864
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 4: So let's just say they're not in my top ten

1865
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 4: Arrowhead or Dasani Dasaniut question. I don't have to think

1866
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 4: about it. I take the bullet.

1867
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 3: I'll just die if you would die of thirst.

1868
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,799
Speaker 2: So obviously, John Carlos Stand is no stranger to injuries

1869
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 2: throughout his career, which is unfortunate because one of the

1870
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 2: best power hitters in Major League Baseball over the past

1871
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 2: fifteen years or whatever it's been.

1872
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 4: I mean, oh yeah, especially before he got hit in

1873
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 4: the face, was never really the same. After that injury

1874
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,480
Speaker 4: where he really got it, he had some face for reconstruction.

1875
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 2: I think after that, well, even I think beyond that

1876
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 2: is just it's hamstrings. It's a bunch of other little

1877
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: things that have popped up. He's played so over the

1878
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 2: past six seasons he's played in at least one hundred

1879
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 2: and fifteen games once well, one time in six years

1880
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 2: he's played one hundred and fifteen games or more.

1881
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 4: It's not as bad as your guy or your former angel.

1882
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 3: Don't bring it up.

1883
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 4: It's not as bad as that Arney Marino. By the way,

1884
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 4: people were weighing in on that on Twitter too earlier.

1885
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, Sam, look he's been good when he's available.

1886
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 2: Well look, he's currently at four hundred and fifty three

1887
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 2: home career home runs. So if he streams this out

1888
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 2: for another couple of years, he can reach the five

1889
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: hundred club. And that's with him missing all that time.

1890
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 2: So you talk about like missing rings or untapped potential

1891
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 2: and all that. He was a great player who could

1892
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 2: be potentially on the list of the all time grades

1893
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: he could be one of ten, He could be the

1894
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 2: tenth player, or could have been the tenth player to

1895
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 2: hit six hundred home runs. That's not going to happen

1896
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,679
Speaker 2: now because his career was derailed by so many injuries.

1897
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 2: So it got me to thinking about great players or

1898
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: players who had excellent potential but for whatever reason, suffered

1899
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 2: debilitating injuries that ended up affecting their careers and either

1900
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 2: they were never as effective or as dominant as they

1901
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 2: once were, or maybe their careers just ended earlier, prematurely

1902
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 2: than they would have liked. And so it got me

1903
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 2: to thinking, if you guys want to chime in on

1904
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 2: this as well, eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox,

1905
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: do you think of an athlete or two or three

1906
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 2: who had so much great potential, such great promise, but

1907
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 2: their career ended unceremoniously due to injury.

1908
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 3: Or maybe due to drugs.

1909
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 2: If you want to be like Lamar, oldham or something.

1910
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 4: You know, Okay Josh Hamilton speaking of the Angels, I mean.

1911
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I use Lamar as an example.

1912
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 2: He did the podcast with with Tracy McGrady and Vince

1913
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 2: Carter earlier this week and said that he had cocaine summers,

1914
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 2: and you know, he never did it while he played

1915
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 2: during the season, but we can't act like it didn't

1916
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 2: affect him. And it's like he was one of those

1917
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 2: guys that people thought would be potentially an all time

1918
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 2: great and he was a really good player for his career,

1919
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:30,839
Speaker 2: but just untapped potential. And Josh Hamilton, hey, and Josh Hamilton,

1920
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 2: to your perfect example, got off to a rocky.

1921
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 4: Start himself, could have been Mickey Mantle. Yeah, he was

1922
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 4: that good. He could have been Mike Trout before Mike Trout.

1923
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 2: Right, and then he fell off, and then he relapsed

1924
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 2: and fell off again. Unfortunately.

1925
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,560
Speaker 4: You know, Mike Trout is starting to fall into this

1926
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 4: category now too. He's also what if the second half

1927
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 4: of his career, just like he and Carlos Stanton, like

1928
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 4: Mike Trout could have hit six under home runs the

1929
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 4: pace he was on early on his career. Didn't he

1930
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 4: have three MVPs in his first five seasons? He absolutely did? Yeh.

1931
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 4: Since who wants to start this thing off? You want

1932
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 4: to go back and forth here, Kevin, I guess names.

1933
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 2: For you, because I'll tell you the first name that

1934
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 2: popped into my mind when we thought about this was

1935
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 2: Yao Ming.

1936
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 4: Yao Ming? Is this because of Victor brick Jacobs.

1937
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 2: No foot, Victor brick Jacob's Fox Sports radio alumni, who

1938
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 2: was up late apparently because I've been texting with him

1939
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 2: for the past forty five minutes. Oh my god, he's

1940
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 2: giving his NFL draft takes. So we're going back and

1941
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,799
Speaker 2: forth about Diego Pavia Well.

1942
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 4: Who's taller Diego pavia or bry was young.

1943
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 3: That's a good question.

1944
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 4: I don't know they wearing. Yeah, Victor brick Jacobs broke

1945
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 4: the news before anybody else that Yao Ming was never

1946
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 4: going to be the same again during the summer where

1947
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,600
Speaker 4: he had that foot issue and he had surgery and

1948
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 4: they vic came out and I don't know that this

1949
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 4: is a medical term, but he said they butchered. They

1950
01:27:56,240 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 4: butchered him. They butchered his foot, the butcher's and.

1951
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 3: He was right.

1952
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Yao Ming was a walking more than a

1953
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,839
Speaker 2: walking double double. This guy was twenty five and eleven

1954
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 2: and two blocks like he was amazing.

1955
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 4: He had some wemby to him on it.

1956
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 3: He did ahead of his time to a certain degree.

1957
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 4: The shooting skill with Yao Ming was special ar vetas

1958
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 4: the bonus had some of that too, and he came

1959
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 4: in really late after he tore like both Achilles, and

1960
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 4: he wasn't the same that he wasn't Lithuania or anything

1961
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 4: like that, but still skilled. Yao Ming, Yeah, I guess

1962
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 4: they're both. One of the Arvetas is one of those guys.

1963
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 3: Yao Ming didn't really stretch to the three point line,

1964
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 3: but he could have. He could have played today.

1965
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 4: It wasn't in vogue back then. He would if he

1966
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 4: was playing in today's league. I remember the first time

1967
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 4: he played Shack and it was just strange to see

1968
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 4: a guy like that, that's bigger rus Shaquille O'Neal out

1969
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 4: there and give him problems. And I think he blocked

1970
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 4: his shot early on, kind of like when Andrew Bideman

1971
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 4: Shack went back and forth in their first meeting when

1972
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 4: Biden was with the Lakers and now Shaq's with Miami

1973
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 4: Heat and they had a little back and forth. I mean,

1974
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 4: Y'ao Ming was that guy like he was that talented,

1975
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 4: that good.

1976
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 2: And played what five six years I believe it was,

1977
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 2: had to retire at the age of twenty eight. I

1978
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 2: believe it was because of that his foot being butchered

1979
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 2: as Victor Brick said, you know, so he was the

1980
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 2: first name that came up because this guy was on

1981
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 2: his way to being I think he is in the

1982
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame mostly because of a contributor, sort of

1983
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 2: an ambassador for you know's making the NBA popular in China.

1984
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 2: So I believe he is a Basketball Hall of Famer

1985
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 2: for that route. But he could be in the Basketball

1986
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame if he had a longer career, because

1987
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 2: he already had made multiple All Star teams, probably all NBA.

1988
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 2: I don't think it's far fetched to say that he

1989
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 2: potentially could have won an MVP Award at a certain point,

1990
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 2: you know. And I guess before I go on to

1991
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 2: your other one, since it's kind of ties in a

1992
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 2: little bit at him. His teammate with the Houston Rockets,

1993
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 2: Trason McGrady, I think kind of falls in that same vein, yes,

1994
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 2: he does. First of all, those guys were never healthy.

1995
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 2: The two of those guys could never be on the

1996
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 2: court at the exact same time, especially when it mattered

1997
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 2: in the postseason. I think those guys actually made it,

1998
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 2: played in postseason games together like once it was.

1999
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 4: During the series against the Dallas Mavericks where they were

2000
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 4: up two games to none, and they won the first

2001
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 4: two games on the road, and Mark Kuberi mark Cuban

2002
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 4: planed and he.

2003
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 3: And Jeff Van Gundy had a back and forth about it.

2004
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 4: Van Gundy came out and said coach of the Rockets

2005
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 4: at that time, that he was told by an official

2006
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 4: that because Mark Cuban was complaining, they were alerted by

2007
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 4: the league to watch for more moving screens from Yao Ming.

2008
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,600
Speaker 4: And Van Gundy was fined I think one hundred and

2009
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars and he stood ten toes down on it.

2010
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 4: He didn't back off of it at all.

2011
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 2: That's his personality. I'm not surprised by that.

2012
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 4: Great assistant coach now with the Clippers.

2013
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely so those are my I guess one and a

2014
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 2: half to start Yao Ming and then Tracy McGrady, who

2015
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 2: also had a debilitating back issue, but one of the

2016
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 2: great scores of his time. You know, there was a

2017
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 2: there was a giant debate at the time when he

2018
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 2: and Kobe Bryant were in their prime as to who

2019
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 2: was better.

2020
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and the two thousands, yeah, and at the.

2021
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 2: Time, you know, depending on the night, it really it

2022
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 2: really depended.

2023
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 4: When you looked at mcgrady's team and supporting cast out there,

2024
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 4: I mean the way he was carrying, and I know

2025
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 4: they blew some first round series. Look at the guys,

2026
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 4: Doc Rivers.

2027
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 3: He was the coach, he was the reason for it.

2028
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if you should go there. Well,

2029
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 4: but maybe you're right. I don't know.

2030
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 3: That's a bunch of crap.

2031
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 4: It was his first coaching job and it started with

2032
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 4: them blowing a three.

2033
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 3: To one league is that's a bunch of crap And

2034
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 3: y'all know.

2035
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 4: It after TMAC had already acted like they were moving

2036
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 4: on to the next round. I think in Slam Magazine

2037
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 4: in an interview he was like, yeah, when we get

2038
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 4: to the second round, Like Pistons came back in that series,

2039
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 4: but he still balled out. He was great. Actually, if

2040
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:56,560
Speaker 4: you looked at his first like five playoff series, I

2041
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 4: think at one point Tracy McGrady was top three in

2042
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 4: points per game all time in the playoffs, but he

2043
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 4: wasn't getting out of the first round and people were

2044
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 4: killing him for it. But that's a good one I'll

2045
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 4: go with because we're talking about Orlando there. Penny Hardaway, well, yeah, excellent,

2046
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 4: Penny hardaway to me, I actually think he was more

2047
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 4: skilled because of his playmaking than Tracy McGrady, and he

2048
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 4: could scale up his offense. If you watch some of

2049
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 4: those playoff battles against MJ, I mean Penny Penny was

2050
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 4: giving him the business.

2051
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 2: Well, he wasn't quite the shooter of a team mag

2052
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 2: but attacking off the dribble and getting a scoring in

2053
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 2: the mid range and mostly in the paint. Yeah, he

2054
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:38,879
Speaker 2: was an assassin.

2055
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. And I think just his playmaking and vision

2056
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 4: out there. So he was this guy that you could

2057
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 4: run an offense through, make everybody better around him, and

2058
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 4: also be a great individual score At the same time,

2059
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 4: he was destined to go the Hall of Fame and

2060
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 4: be one of the all time greats.

2061
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 3: You know someone else who since you mentioned Orlando, who's

2062
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 3: in that same vain uh Oh? Grand Hill?

2063
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 4: Yep.

2064
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 3: Grand Hill started his career with the Detroit Pistons. Was phenomenal.

2065
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,959
Speaker 2: He was a great athlete, but he looked really smooth

2066
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 2: when he would, you know, cross guys over, make plays,

2067
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 2: shoot in the mid range.

2068
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 3: He didn't look overly explosive.

2069
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: Even though he was.

2070
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 3: It's really hard to describe.

2071
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:17,679
Speaker 2: If you have a chance to go back and watch

2072
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: highlights of Grand Hill, the Detroit Piston. Grand Hill was

2073
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 2: absolutely amazing and he was kind of of that same

2074
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,560
Speaker 2: ilk from Penny Hardaway. A phenomenal athlete, great handle, not

2075
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 2: the greatest outside shooter, although.

2076
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 3: He was a much better.

2077
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 2: He was really he was an assassin from the mid

2078
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 2: range and could really take us off the dribble and attack.

2079
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 3: I think what his career highlight might be crossing over

2080
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 3: Dan Marley who was fifty.

2081
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 2: Years old at the time playing for the Miami Heat

2082
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,600
Speaker 2: and John Niffen before too, with the crossover dunking in

2083
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 2: the face of Alonzo Morning, who's been Who's one of

2084
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 2: the great shot blockers in the history.

2085
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,560
Speaker 4: Of the league. He was extremely explosive. Grand Hill on

2086
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 4: Detroit wearing teal with those Pistons uniforms with a horse

2087
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 4: on it, with the piston from the back of the

2088
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 4: car and the back that logan was wild. I actually

2089
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 4: really liked it. I think most were against it because

2090
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 4: the bad boys pissed ins like what are we doing

2091
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 4: wearing teel out here now all of a sudden in

2092
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 4: the nineties.

2093
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 2: They were also not very good when they had that

2094
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 2: logo either, so they got probably got associated with them

2095
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 2: being losers.

2096
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 4: This is true. But he hurt his ankle and tried

2097
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 4: to play through it in a playoff series and then

2098
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 4: became a free agent that summer, and it was between

2099
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 4: him or Tim Duncan possibly going to Orlando, and they

2100
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,719
Speaker 4: ended up getting Grand Hill there to pair with Tracy McGrady,

2101
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 4: and I think they only ended up playing like fifty

2102
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 4: games on the court next to one another. Grant Hill

2103
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 4: missed like a season and a half with all the

2104
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 4: micro fracture whatever type of surgeries he had to have.

2105
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:43,719
Speaker 3: Well, they had to go in and break his ankle

2106
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 3: completely and then reconstruct it.

2107
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 2: He had one of those deals.

2108
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 3: I don't even know if they do that anymore, with

2109
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 3: the medical interventions.

2110
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 4: That we have now, that should be illegal. All right,

2111
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:55,640
Speaker 4: I'll move on to football here. I got a name

2112
01:34:55,720 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 4: for you, Kevin Robert Edwards. Oh yeah, Robert Edwards of

2113
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 4: the New England Patriots. His rookie season went for over

2114
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:09,680
Speaker 4: one thousand yards. This was still with Drew bledsoe was

2115
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll the head coach of my Patriots. I remember

2116
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 4: I was using them a lot in an NFL quarterback

2117
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 4: club on six to four. Back then, they were pretty good.

2118
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 4: Who was their running back? They had Curtis mart Yeah,

2119
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 4: but he was he must have been. He had a

2120
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 4: huge season. Maybe Curtis Martin was out or he just

2121
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 4: went to the Jets at that time. But Robert Edwards

2122
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 4: ended up tearing up his knee. I think at the

2123
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl playing football on the beach, a flag football

2124
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 4: game or something like that. That that happened. Never the same.

2125
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 4: I don't think he had much of a career after

2126
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 4: that at all. That's brutal. Yeah, if you gotta get hurt,

2127
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 4: at least you want to earn it. It was one

2128
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 4: of those. Yeah, and when people complain about there not

2129
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 4: being a Pro Bowl anymore because guys get hurt, Well,

2130
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 4: this wasn't actually in the Pro Bowl game. This was

2131
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 4: him like playing on the sand. I thought it was

2132
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 4: flag football, frollicking on the beach.

2133
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 5: It was.

2134
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 4: It wasn't like that. It was like blue lagoon range.

2135
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's a sad story because he looked great

2136
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 4: that rookie year.

2137
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 2: So I'll give you another football one. Priest Holmes, running

2138
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 2: back for the Kansas City Chiefs, had a phenomenal three

2139
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 2: year stretch where he was averaging twenty five twenty six

2140
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 2: hundred yards from scrimmage.

2141
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 4: Oh, he was the first pick in every fantasy football

2142
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 4: draft at that time.

2143
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 3: Easily people don't remember.

2144
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 2: By the way, he was Jamal Lewis's backup with the

2145
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens when they won the Super Bowl, and as.

2146
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 3: A matter of fact, joh Want Lewis might have backed

2147
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Speaker 3: him up.

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01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 2: Regardless, both of those guys played for that Baltimore Ravens

2149
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 2: team that won the Super Bowl. In two thousand, he

2150
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 2: leaves in free agency, goes to the Kansas City Chiefs

2151
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 2: and just lights the league on fire. And unfortunately in

2152
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 2: two thousand and five he suffers a spine injury against

2153
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 2: the Raiders. I believe it was that effectively ended his career.

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01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 2: I mean, he was every bit as good as Marshall

2155
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 2: Falk or any of these two way guys. So you

2156
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 2: can play out in the slot, throw out wide, throwing

2157
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 2: the screen game. He was a phenomenal player. Ladanian Tomlinson.

2158
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 2: He was contemporary Sewn Alexander he was. He was right

2159
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 2: there as far as being in the league's best. He

2160
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 2: was an ap all Pro all three three seasons in

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01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 2: a row.

2162
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,679
Speaker 4: Willse of offense with Trent Green under center.

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01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 2: He was yeah, he and Antonio Gonzalez were excuse me,

2164
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:30,919
Speaker 2: Tony Gonzalez were the two guys.

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01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 4: To go to the head coach.

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01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 2: Dick for me was the head coach, that's right. Yeah, yeah,

2167
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 2: And so you know, he gets injured, they draft Larry Johnson.

2168
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,640
Speaker 2: He ends up usurping him as the starter and he

2169
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 2: was never the same. But Priest Holmes was on his

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01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 2: way to a Hall of Fame career before he suffered

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01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 2: a spine injury that forced him to retire early.

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01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:49,719
Speaker 3: He was a phenomenal player.

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01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 4: All right, we'll stick with the running backs then, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I got one for you here. I don't know if

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01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 4: he was going to be a Hall of Famer. He

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01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 4: looked like that in college. John Carter, Yeah, did his

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01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,679
Speaker 4: ACL early on with the Bengals. Another guy with the Bengals,

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01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 4: Ikey Woods.

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01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 3: Oh they Odicky shuffle.

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01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it wasn't doing much after Back then, an

2181
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 4: ACL's hair was a death sentence, right like that? Was it? Absolutely?

2182
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 4: I mean cajohn A Carr I think came out in

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01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety five or something like that. He never fully

2184
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:20,719
Speaker 4: recovered from it, and I don't.

2185
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 3: It's an obvious one. So we probably both stur passed it.

2186
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 2: But Terrell Davis, you know, outside of the you know,

2187
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 2: the migraines, but he had acl mcl and I wonder

2188
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 2: if he had played seven ten years later, if he

2189
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 2: might have still been able to carve out a career

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01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 2: for himself.

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01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 4: But ten years later then they were doing the microfracture surgery,

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01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 4: and it's like, then that didn't go well, and now

2193
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:44,599
Speaker 4: they don't do that anymore. It's like, yeah, I Terrell

2194
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 4: Davis is a great one because he eventually got in

2195
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 4: the hall, right, but he had more to give. He

2196
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 4: was peaking. If you look at his career, goes from

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01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 4: like one thousand yards, twelve hundred yards, fifteen hundred yards.

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01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 4: Did he go eighteen hundred to two thousand?

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01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he went Bay of one from sixteen

2200
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 2: to two thousand, sixteen to eighteen to two thousand, something

2201
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 2: like that.

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01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 4: And if you want to say, Orlandis Gary and Mike

2203
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 4: Anderson also had big seasons for the Denver Broncos. Fine,

2204
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 4: their offensive line was elite, but neither was as good

2205
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 4: as Terrell Davis. I've gone back and watched the way

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01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 4: he ran. He had it all like the power of

2207
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:20,560
Speaker 4: the speed, the quickness, the explosiveness, the cuts and the

2208
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:22,560
Speaker 4: first play he ever made was what in Tokyo in

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01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 4: that preseason game between the special teams. Yeah, the San

2210
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 4: Francisco forty nine ers and the Broncos where he made

2211
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 4: that big tackle. You got jacked up. Can't do that anymore, Adam?

2212
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 4: All right? What else do we got here?

2213
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 5: Oh?

2214
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 4: I want to go baseball?

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01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 3: Uh, sure you can go back to baseball. Yeah, you

2216
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 3: got all right.

2217
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 4: I got somebody for it. Francisco Lariano. Oh yeah, Larriano.

2218
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 4: It was his second season, but maybe it was his

2219
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 4: rookie season because he actually played enough games where was

2220
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 4: him and Santana with the Minnesota Twins, and they had

2221
01:39:54,760 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 4: the two top guys at the front of the pitching

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01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 4: staff that I think they lost the Yankees in the playoffs.

2223
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 4: But those guys were great and the Yankees won like

2224
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:08,680
Speaker 4: some two to one type of games against them. But

2225
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 4: Larry Ono had like a two point one four era

2226
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 4: I think it was that year, and then he had

2227
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 4: Tommy John and he stayed out the next season. He

2228
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 4: came back never the same, never that dominant. He was okay,

2229
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 4: he was serviceable. He was third or fourth and a

2230
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 4: pitching staff at that point. But he was an ace.

2231
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 4: He had ace type of stuff out there, and I

2232
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 4: thought he was going to be an all timer with

2233
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 4: the swing and miss stuff that he had.

2234
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Tommy John is like, you know, the

2235
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:41,640
Speaker 2: great revival for a lot of these guys, but for

2236
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 2: certain ones, it just they're never the same, you know.

2237
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 3: And some of these guys get it twice. Yeah, actually,

2238
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 3: and find a way to recover.

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01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 4: Sure it takes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough road to hoe to come back.

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01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to the NBA really fast here.

2242
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 2: Brandon Roy. Brandon Roy excellent player for the Portland Trail Blazers,

2243
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 2: which is it's weird because he wasn't an exceptional as fleet.

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01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 2: He had a really good handle, he wasn't exceptionally tall,

2245
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:07,320
Speaker 2: there was nothing overtly special about him, but he was great.

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01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 2: He was an amazing player, found a way to get open,

2247
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 2: found ways to be able to use leverage, to be

2248
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:14,599
Speaker 2: able to shoot fadaways. He was one of the best

2249
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 2: mid range shooters of his era. And because he had

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Speaker 2: a degenerative knee problem that even affected him at Washington

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01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 2: before he even got drafted, and it just ended up

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01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 2: ending his career after about five or six years.

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Speaker 4: I believe I remember a few years ago going down

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01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 4: a rabbit hole or a wormhole online thinking about Brandon

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01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 4: Roy and how good he was and where he might

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01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 4: have ended up if he didn't get hurt and he

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01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 4: had all those knee issues. He had some of the

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01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 4: best clutch numbers I've ever seen come, whether you're going

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01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 4: last five minutes of a game within five points or

2260
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 4: a one possession game in the last twenty four seconds.

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01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 4: Brandon Roy was incredible late in games. He was unreal.

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01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 4: That's a great call. Speaking of calls, well take in years.

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01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,719
Speaker 4: Next lines are lighting up? Must be a good subject.

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Speaker 6: Lines and lighting up, I guess it's a good subject.

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Speaker 4: A seven seven ninety nine on Fox. If you want

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Speaker 4: to give us some what if stories some great players

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01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 4: that unfortunately never were able to peak as high as

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01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,640
Speaker 4: you thought they were going to because of injuries. This

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Speaker 4: is fn A.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 3: Please talk to me, please.

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01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:28,640
Speaker 4: F and A Cotton.

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Speaker 2: F and A on FSR. Here on Fox Sports Radio

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01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 2: at k FIG ones where you can find me. On next,

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01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 2: you can find Adam at Follow Adam A talking about

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01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 2: athletes who add their careers derailed by injuries. We did

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01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 2: have a couple of people that checked in on X.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to the telephone calls Sean. I can't

2279
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 2: pronounce his last name, Sewn, so I don't want to

2280
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 2: butcher its I just saw just reference you by first name.

2281
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:55,640
Speaker 2: Saw that Justin blackman from the Jaguars. He says it

2282
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 2: would have been one of the all time greats. All

2283
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 2: time greats, I think is a stretch. Justin black was

2284
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,680
Speaker 2: a solid player, a good player.

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Speaker 4: But put place Kevin. It wasn't injuries.

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01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 2: It was multiple drug offenses and alcohol related defenses that

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01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 2: derailed his career.

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Speaker 4: They had to reminds me like that in Jacksonville you

2289
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:13,240
Speaker 4: want to get hurt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a who was the former quarterback at

2291
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:17,600
Speaker 2: Arkansas where they drafted to be the receiver.

2292
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 4: Who ran one of the fastest forty times from mag

2293
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 4: was a Matt Jones, Mattie Jones. It was Matt Jones.

2294
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 3: I will say, you know, all time great his heart

2295
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 3: to project.

2296
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 4: But remember Josh Gordon, Oh Josh Gordon, how amazing he was.

2297
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:34,639
Speaker 4: I didn't you have an eighteen hundred yard season or something?

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01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 2: And yeah, and he didn't. I feel like he only

2299
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 2: played like for fourteen games. Whatever it was he was

2300
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 2: putting up stupid production on very limited reps. Yeah, but again,

2301
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 2: he just couldn't couldn't kick a drug habit. The Patriots,

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01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 2: I think, kicked the tires on him and gave him

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01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 2: a bit of a shot after he flamed out in

2304
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 2: Cleveland and it just didn't work out.

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Speaker 4: There's almost like an entire separate category of just guys

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01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 4: who took him to drugs and addictions, and that alone,

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01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:07,920
Speaker 4: those self inflicted wounds, yeah, kept them from reaching the

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01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 4: pinnacle of their potential. But all right, we got a

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Speaker 4: caller here from Alaska, Chris calling in on Fox Sports Radio.

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01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 4: It's FNA on FSR.

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Speaker 1: Chris.

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01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 4: What's up, Hey, how's it going?

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01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 9: So I immediately thought of one of my favorite players

2314
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 9: growing up in baseball from the Red Sox, No more Garciapara.

2315
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 9: He went from being maybe potentially being one of the

2316
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 9: next four hundred hitters to not playing more than one

2317
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:47,799
Speaker 9: hundred and twenty games for the rest of his career.

2318
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:52,840
Speaker 9: The Sox traded them the year they won the World Series,

2319
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 9: which actually, if you look at it, Epstein, Epstein deserve

2320
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:05,320
Speaker 9: a lot of credit for trading him I was actually

2321
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 9: heartbroken because no More was my favorite player growing up,

2322
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 9: and I think it was due to steroid youth had

2323
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 9: some soft tissue injury.

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01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,799
Speaker 4: You're talking about the Sports Illustrate a cut above. Remember

2325
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 4: that picture with no More and everybody suspected later on

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01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 4: he might have been on steroids.

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01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, And honestly, like I don't, I still don't want

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01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 9: to believe it, but it kind of looked like there

2329
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:41,599
Speaker 9: were some steroid use there with all those soft tissue injuries.

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Speaker 3: It's really hard to determine, you know. The fact is

2331
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 3: the air that he played in.

2332
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, even the cleanest guys have an air suspicion around

2333
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 2: him because it was just so prevalent back at that time.

2334
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:54,720
Speaker 2: And I remember when that deal was made. He was

2335
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 2: traded to the Minnesota Twins. They brought in Orlando Cabrera,

2336
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:00,799
Speaker 2: who was one of the best defensive shorts in baseball,

2337
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 2: and that is where Nomar had been slipping. Even when

2338
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 2: he was playing. His defense was just not up to par,

2339
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:10,559
Speaker 2: and Rolando Cobrea's defense was as big a reason as any. Obviously,

2340
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 2: Dave Roberts stolen base and all the clutch moments and

2341
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 2: coming back from down three nothing against the Yankees and

2342
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:17,679
Speaker 2: the Alcs all that he was a very key cog

2343
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 2: and then winning that World Series in two thousand and four.

2344
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, Nomar was a great player. I mean, remember

2345
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:26,800
Speaker 2: it was him, it was Jeter, and it was a Rod.

2346
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 2: They were the big three at shortstop.

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01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 4: I always felt like no More versus Jeter was kind

2348
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 4: of like Kobe versus Team Mac where te Mack peaked

2349
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 4: higher at that time but couldn't sustain it in the

2350
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 4: early two thousands, versus Kobe who was steadier on the

2351
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 4: better team, like Jeter with the Yankees. But no Mar,

2352
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 4: I mean he hit three seventy five one years right, Yeah,

2353
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 4: before the wrist injury. No Mar was one of the

2354
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 4: best players in baseball and was doing historic stuff out there.

2355
01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 4: And then when he ended up going to the Cubs,

2356
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 4: he like tours Groin like, he had one of the

2357
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,880
Speaker 4: worst injuries. I think it was one of his first

2358
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:09,200
Speaker 4: at bats, it was. It was brutal. And then he

2359
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 4: went to the Dodgers. He did have some success there,

2360
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 4: But I agree No More is an all time type

2361
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:19,240
Speaker 4: of what if with that talent. James calling in from Tacoma, James,

2362
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 4: you're on f and a on FSR. What's up, James Hi.

2363
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 5: Two athletes I got for you one miss Troub Blazers

2364
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 5: Greg Odin.

2365
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,320
Speaker 4: Oh, yep, great one, absolutely, And.

2366
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 5: Then another one is Washington Nationals pitcher Steven Strasbourg.

2367
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:38,680
Speaker 2: Another excellent one. Yeah to uh Greg Odin, who you

2368
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 2: know obviously came in. Remember he played his his freshman season,

2369
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 2: his only season Ohio State with a broken hand to

2370
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 2: the entire year and he played through.

2371
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:48,559
Speaker 4: That manas of the National Championship game against Florida.

2372
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 2: Yep, he was the first overall pick because I believe

2373
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant was second by the Seattle Sonics in that

2374
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 2: draft and just couldn't stay healthy and would have been

2375
01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 2: one of the dominant defensive forces in the NBA for years,

2376
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 2: but he just couldn't hold up.

2377
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 4: He was so skilled. He must have had three, four

2378
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 4: or five different knee surgeries. And you mentioned Brandon Roy

2379
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 4: and then you go back to Bill Walton, and there

2380
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:16,640
Speaker 4: was a history of just the Blazers being cursed with

2381
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:20,080
Speaker 4: franchise guys having miserable injuries.

2382
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 3: Was gone by the time he had his, So that's true.

2383
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 3: And then they had their.

2384
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 4: Other issues going on there their early two thousands with

2385
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 4: some guys too.

2386
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 2: But what do you mean, I don't know what you're

2387
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:33,720
Speaker 2: alluding to.

2388
01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 4: What do you mean? I just I'm just talking about

2389
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 4: you know where she'd wall first of all, weed nobody

2390
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:46,759
Speaker 4: cares anymore, and those guys were being vilified for smoking

2391
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 4: weed back then. Him and Bonzie Wells and I loved him, Bonxie,

2392
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,840
Speaker 4: Bonzie's kind. He's not an injury what if, but maybe

2393
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 4: a head case what if he never got I think

2394
01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 4: even Shed is a guy who had Hall of Fame

2395
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 4: talent that never peaked high enough outside of two thousand

2396
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:03,040
Speaker 4: and four.

2397
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 2: A trillion percent people that covered Rashid Wallace in Portland

2398
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:07,640
Speaker 2: and talked about its like the guy just he just

2399
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:09,439
Speaker 2: didn't have work ethic. He was one of those guys

2400
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 2: who basically skirted it by on his talent and didn't

2401
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 2: really put in a lot of work. And not that

2402
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 2: he didn't put it in working like on his jumper

2403
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,240
Speaker 2: or whatever, but like making sure he was in shape,

2404
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 2: making sure, you know that he was able to stay

2405
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 2: on the court, refining his game as he got older.

2406
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 2: He just kind of relied on the fact that he

2407
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 2: was bigger, taller, a better athlete and just relied on that.

2408
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:31,599
Speaker 3: And again he was better than Lamar Holden.

2409
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 2: But I kind of put him in that same ilk

2410
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 2: where he could have been so much better than he

2411
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:38,879
Speaker 2: was and was just saying something because he was already

2412
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 2: so damn good.

2413
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 4: Well, he should have been the conversation of best power

2414
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 4: forwards along with ceweb kg and Tim Duncan at that

2415
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 4: time in Dirk. He should have been right there. Honestly,

2416
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 4: he was talented enough to be there. Steven Strasburg is

2417
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 4: actually a really good one. Big grat was he had

2418
01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:59,200
Speaker 4: Tommy John what after his first or second year, and

2419
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:02,640
Speaker 4: he was the first of the new I guess the

2420
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:05,240
Speaker 4: new wave of guys that are now. There's so many

2421
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 4: players that are throwing one hundred miles per hour, so

2422
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 4: many pitchers now in Major League Baseball.

2423
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:12,519
Speaker 2: If you remember before they before he had that surgery,

2424
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:14,760
Speaker 2: when he had in his rookie season, before he got

2425
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:16,800
Speaker 2: called up, or when he got called up, they put

2426
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:19,240
Speaker 2: him on a pitch limit, that's right, and he reached

2427
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:22,880
Speaker 2: his innings limit before they made the playoffs. That was controversial,

2428
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:24,840
Speaker 2: so they didn't even play him in the postseason because

2429
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,120
Speaker 2: he reached his innings limit by like August or something.

2430
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 2: I vividly remember that.

2431
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 4: And they felt like, well, we have to preserve this

2432
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 4: once in a lifetime talent because he's gonna have this

2433
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:37,880
Speaker 4: long career, and he didn't have a short career, and

2434
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 4: they ended up eventually winning the World Series.

2435
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 3: In what twenty nineteen against Houston.

2436
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 4: He was never the flamethrower that he was the first

2437
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 4: year and a half out.

2438
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 2: There, right.

2439
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:51,679
Speaker 4: Uh, you got a lot of calls here, Okay, Brandon

2440
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:54,080
Speaker 4: call him from Kansas City. Brandon, what's up? You're on

2441
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:56,799
Speaker 4: FNA on FSR with Kevin Figures. I'm at a Muslim?

2442
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 5: Was that? What's going on? Telling things?

2443
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 6: Taking Michael?

2444
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 2: Of course, I just read he got off work right now,

2445
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:04,599
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure.

2446
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:06,519
Speaker 4: Maybe you guys put the guy's name yet, I'm.

2447
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:10,680
Speaker 5: Not sure, but this has to be top three. Ever,

2448
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 5: I'm I'm a I'm a huge fan of him. I

2449
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 5: gotta go. Derek Rose.

2450
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, we have.

2451
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 2: And I'm list what you guys say out the air,

2452
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:24,160
Speaker 2: and you have a good weekend.

2453
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:25,680
Speaker 3: You too, draft home safe from work?

2454
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 2: Ye, Derek Rose?

2455
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 5: Ever?

2456
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And Derek Rose to me, I don't know how

2457
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 4: his game would have aged if he never had the

2458
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 4: outside shot but he was one of the he was

2459
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 4: one of the best watches in the NBA, you could say,

2460
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:42,720
Speaker 4: in those first three or four years before he did

2461
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 4: the a cl and then the meniscus out there, and

2462
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:47,080
Speaker 4: he did it in the playoff game I think against

2463
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:49,640
Speaker 4: Philly with Chicago it was at that time they were

2464
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 4: trying to battle against the Heatls, the Chicago Bulls, right,

2465
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:55,719
Speaker 4: and he just got his jersey retired by the Chicago

2466
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 4: Bulls this season.

2467
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:58,559
Speaker 2: I mean they got to the conference finals. I think

2468
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 2: his MVP year, didn't. They play against the Heatles in

2469
01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:01,720
Speaker 2: the conference finals.

2470
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 4: Lost in five. I remember Lebron and Dwayne Wade going

2471
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:09,599
Speaker 4: back and forth hitting long three pointers to close him out. Yeah,

2472
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 4: and he had a really bad series.

2473
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 2: His issue was just the style and the aggression in

2474
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 2: which he played with his size and frame. Unfortunately, guys

2475
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:22,519
Speaker 2: like that are just destined to either have short careers

2476
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 2: or just be banged up throughout the entirety of their career.

2477
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:28,080
Speaker 2: John Moran has kind of built us in the same way.

2478
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:31,519
Speaker 2: You know, if you have small guards who are extremely aggressive,

2479
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 2: who attack the paint, who don't really have a great

2480
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:37,320
Speaker 2: outside shot, the shelf life for guys like that is.

2481
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 3: Just not very long.

2482
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 4: Russell Westbrook has had the shelf life, but his effectiveness

2483
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:46,600
Speaker 4: and he's so wild and chaotic out there. You know,

2484
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:49,559
Speaker 4: I never felt like, even at his peak, you could

2485
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 4: win with him as your number one option, right, not

2486
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 4: a shooter as well.

2487
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 2: It's gonna get one more in here before the break,

2488
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:56,920
Speaker 2: and if we have more, maybe we can carry him

2489
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:57,679
Speaker 2: over to the final segment.

2490
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:00,599
Speaker 4: Let's say Mike calling in from New Hampshire. Mike, you're

2491
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:01,559
Speaker 4: on FNA. What's up?

2492
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 2: Hey, good morning?

2493
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:06,840
Speaker 5: Boys? Got a good one, A good what if not

2494
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:10,440
Speaker 5: necessarily the drugs or injury, but what about Aaron Hernandez.

2495
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 4: Well that's an interesting choice.

2496
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I meant untapped potential and what could have been?

2497
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 2: I mean sure he would fall into that category because

2498
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:23,679
Speaker 2: he certainly was an impactful player.

2499
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 4: We've talked about enough dark stuff tonight. Why not call

2500
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:33,160
Speaker 4: He was very talented. He was also a murderer and

2501
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 4: had demons before he was even drafted.

2502
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:37,720
Speaker 3: So going back to those days at the.

2503
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:39,800
Speaker 4: University of Florida, can we sneak one more phone call

2504
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,599
Speaker 4: in before you almost cleanse the palette? After that? Hey,

2505
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:46,640
Speaker 4: Robert calling in from Florida, you gotta say Aaron Hernandez too.

2506
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 4: Come on, Robert, please.

2507
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:51,799
Speaker 5: Don't yees, sir. How about uh Bo Jackson?

2508
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:52,800
Speaker 4: All right?

2509
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 3: One of the classics.

2510
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 2: Bo Jackson injures his hip in that playoff game against

2511
01:53:56,880 --> 01:54:00,320
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals and obviously the end of his career,

2512
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,320
Speaker 2: which and I don't know if it's confirmed or not, Adam,

2513
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 2: but you hear like he popped his hip back into

2514
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:06,719
Speaker 2: place and he wasn't supposed to do that and caused

2515
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:08,439
Speaker 2: a bunch of other damage by doing that.

2516
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 4: I think that's true. I want the report's definitely out there,

2517
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,960
Speaker 4: whether or not it's an old wives tale type thing

2518
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:17,240
Speaker 4: like Ronnie Lott with his finger in the Super Bowl,

2519
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 4: which isn't nearly as drastic when you actually hear the

2520
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:23,280
Speaker 4: real story. It might be though I thought there it

2521
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:26,719
Speaker 4: was doctors were perplexed by Bo Jackson having the strength

2522
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 4: to pop his hip back in, but unfortunately that actually

2523
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:31,560
Speaker 4: caused more damage.

2524
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 2: So and you know, double whammy for him, who was

2525
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:36,120
Speaker 2: a phenomenal baseball player with the Kansas City Royals and

2526
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 2: the Raiders. He eventually came back after a couple of

2527
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 2: years off to play baseball, but was nowhere near the

2528
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 2: player that he was.

2529
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:48,960
Speaker 4: Previously Boneos terrible injuries, but one of the greatest athletes

2530
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,400
Speaker 4: of all times without question. Yeah, and since we were

2531
01:54:51,400 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 4: talking about the combine, was said to run a four

2532
01:54:55,200 --> 01:55:00,360
Speaker 4: one like I don't believe. Yeah, I don't with that

2533
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:02,760
Speaker 4: him and Dion and those times. I'm sorry. I know

2534
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,400
Speaker 4: he was a track athlete and everything, but I don't

2535
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 4: know if he could run a four to one at

2536
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:09,720
Speaker 4: two hundred and forty pounds or whatever he was coming

2537
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:12,920
Speaker 4: up there not be an Earthlin and not do that. No, Yeah, true,

2538
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 4: more phone calls.

2539
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it.

2540
01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 4: Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox. We haven't taken

2541
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:20,560
Speaker 4: many on this show, but if you like the subject,

2542
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:24,000
Speaker 4: if you want to get in talk about potential, but

2543
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 4: potential cut short due to injuries. He's getting figures. I'm

2544
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 4: Adam Oslind and this is efinite.

2545
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:32,480
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2549
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2550
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2558
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Speaker 2: Eight seven seven niney nine on Fox is the telephone

2559
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 2: number of taking calls on athletes who have their careers

2560
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:19,680
Speaker 2: derailed by injuries. Because people could have been all time greats.

2561
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:21,280
Speaker 2: Some guys were all time greats and could have been

2562
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 2: even better, but unfortunately suffered main ginormous injuries that derailed

2563
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 2: their careers. We have more calls on the Bowl on

2564
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 2: the line there, Adam, what do we have?

2565
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:34,280
Speaker 4: Cut me down in my prime? Armand in Newport Beach, Armond,

2566
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 4: how's it going Theremon?

2567
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:39,280
Speaker 2: What do you got?

2568
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:41,360
Speaker 1: I got two for you.

2569
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 5: I got Todd Gurley who also had a degenerative interest,

2570
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 5: sure did, yep, and he was putting numbers, fantasy numbers

2571
01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:55,960
Speaker 5: I remember. And then my next one is the biggest

2572
01:56:56,000 --> 01:57:00,600
Speaker 5: what if guy ever? I think Chicago Bulls there, Rose.

2573
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 4: We got that one A little rose last segment. That's

2574
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 4: a good one.

2575
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 2: Appreciate the call.

2576
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:08,400
Speaker 2: Todd Hurley was another one, another one of those running

2578
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 2: backs who you know had a unfortunate debility telling injury,

2579
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:15,720
Speaker 2: a degenerative knee situation. But he was one of the

2580
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:19,240
Speaker 2: most explosive playmakers in the NFL for about a four

2581
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:20,000
Speaker 2: year stretch or.

2582
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 4: So with the Rams. It was still weird how it

2583
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 4: was handled in the Super Bowl with him against the Patriots,

2584
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 4: was it not?

2585
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he lost. I mean basically C. J.

2586
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 2: Anderson came in off the street in like week fourteen

2587
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:31,480
Speaker 2: and basically just took all the carries from him.

2588
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I felt like something else going on behind the

2589
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 4: scenes there. H Randy going in from Florida? Randy, what's

2590
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:40,760
Speaker 4: up here? On F and A on FSR borning guys, I.

2591
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:42,360
Speaker 5: Just turned you on. So I got the topic a

2592
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 5: little late. But I have two and I don't know

2593
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:46,440
Speaker 5: if they've been mentioned. How about my guy Don Manningly?

2594
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 2: Ooh, I mentioned Donny Baseball?

2595
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:51,840
Speaker 4: No, okay, who else?

2596
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 5: So my guy Don Manningly and I'm I was paying

2597
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:57,440
Speaker 5: attention in the nineties ctainly sharp. They said he could

2598
01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:58,200
Speaker 5: have been betting a rice.

2599
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:01,360
Speaker 2: They absolutely said that you were one hundred percent by Sterling.

2600
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:05,200
Speaker 2: Sharper is a phenomenal poll. Phenomenal poll because he, I mean,

2601
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:07,400
Speaker 2: has thought of as one of the all time greats

2602
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 2: who just unfortunately had his career cut short, and had

2603
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 2: he played people think that he would have been he

2604
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:14,040
Speaker 2: would have easily finished top five of all time.

2605
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 4: When Shannon got into the Hall of Fame, he had

2606
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:19,920
Speaker 4: a great line saying like, I'm the only Hall of

2607
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:23,520
Speaker 4: Famer in our family that is still just the second

2608
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 4: best football player. And Sterling then eventually got in, thankfully,

2609
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 4: but yeah, all time talent. Before the next issue, Uh, Bob,

2610
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:35,480
Speaker 4: call him from Massachusetts, Bob, what's up here?

2611
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:38,800
Speaker 5: I got a couple of older ones for you.

2612
01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:40,600
Speaker 4: One is Tony c.

2613
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:46,760
Speaker 5: The other one was Jackie Jensen.

2614
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:49,360
Speaker 4: Old Jackie.

2615
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:52,720
Speaker 3: Had some context and Jackie.

2616
01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:58,680
Speaker 4: Or maybe not. That's fine. Maybe he's just testing us

2617
01:58:58,760 --> 01:58:59,600
Speaker 4: with some fake names.

2618
01:58:59,600 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2619
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:03,960
Speaker 4: It could be that type of thing. You guys remember

2620
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:06,880
Speaker 4: Derek Smith. Derek Smith, and I found out about him

2621
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:11,360
Speaker 4: recently reading Ralph Lawler's book. But Derek Smith was a

2622
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:16,560
Speaker 4: player in the early to mid eighties that had extreme athleticism.

2623
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:19,360
Speaker 4: He was with I think the San Diego Clippers and

2624
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:22,200
Speaker 4: maybe one year with the LA Clippers, and he had

2625
01:59:22,240 --> 01:59:24,400
Speaker 4: a really bad knee injury. But if you look up

2626
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:26,560
Speaker 4: some of his highlights, he had a game going back

2627
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:30,880
Speaker 4: and forth with MJ that was really impressive, and you

2628
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:34,360
Speaker 4: saw the athleticism out there. And he was a guy

2629
01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:38,040
Speaker 4: that unfortunately eventually died from a heart attack in the nineties.

2630
01:59:39,200 --> 01:59:42,400
Speaker 4: Derek Smith was one of those guys that had it,

2631
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:46,760
Speaker 4: that could do everything out there, and unfortunately a knee

2632
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 4: injury derailed his career. Bill Walton obviously the other one.

2633
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:54,880
Speaker 4: I actually think, and I've said this before here Kevin,

2634
01:59:55,520 --> 01:59:57,840
Speaker 4: but I think Kawhi Leonards a what if story.

2635
01:59:58,360 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 2: Honestly, Yeah, considering o high as peak was and where

2636
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,320
Speaker 2: he was trending towards the end of his San Antonio

2637
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,800
Speaker 2: career before the injuries cropped up, and look what I mean,

2638
02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:10,160
Speaker 2: he basically drugged that Toronto Raptors to a championship while

2639
02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:13,040
Speaker 2: he was injured during that playoff run. Absolutely a what

2640
02:00:13,120 --> 02:00:15,640
Speaker 2: if story, because I mean he's one of the when healthy,

2641
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 2: he is easily a a top five to six player

2642
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 2: in the league.

2643
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:19,680
Speaker 3: Without question.

2644
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:23,640
Speaker 4: I think there are not ten guys in NBA history

2645
02:00:24,040 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 4: I'd rather have with me in a seven game series,

2646
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:31,040
Speaker 4: and before Kawhi Leonard, there are not ten guys like

2647
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:34,960
Speaker 4: I honestly think at his best, if he had good

2648
02:00:35,080 --> 02:00:41,000
Speaker 4: health and sustainable health and longevity, I think he might

2649
02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:44,640
Speaker 4: be in the top five conversation honestly, with what he

2650
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:48,200
Speaker 4: does on both ends of the floor, especially two time

2651
02:00:48,240 --> 02:00:51,200
Speaker 4: Defensive Player of the Year, two time Finals MVP with

2652
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:54,040
Speaker 4: two different teams, and it looked like he was about

2653
02:00:54,040 --> 02:00:56,040
Speaker 4: to do it with three different teams if he didn't

2654
02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:58,440
Speaker 4: tear his ACL in twenty twenty one in that playoff

2655
02:00:58,520 --> 02:00:59,280
Speaker 4: run with the Clippers.

2656
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:01,920
Speaker 2: Right gunner Thomas checks in, I know you've had a

2657
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:04,000
Speaker 2: back and forth with him on X he brings up

2658
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:06,400
Speaker 2: Sandy Kofax, and that's a great one as well.

2659
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:11,680
Speaker 3: Short run with the Dodgers, but obviously a dominant run.

2660
02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:13,480
Speaker 2: One of the best left handed pitchers of all time,

2661
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:15,000
Speaker 2: just didn't have the longevity.

2662
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:20,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's one of those guys that career cuts short.

2663
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:25,680
Speaker 4: But we still probably saw his peak. I don't know.

2664
02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:28,240
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe he could have been even better before my time,

2665
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:31,360
Speaker 4: But Sadi Kofax and the numbers are so stupid, especially

2666
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:32,600
Speaker 4: in the World Series.

2667
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 2: That's the thing, is like his postseason n like his

2668
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:36,200
Speaker 2: regular seasons were great, and then he took it to

2669
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:37,560
Speaker 2: the next level in the playoffs.

2670
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:40,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's one of those guys that have numbers that

2671
02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:43,400
Speaker 4: make him feel like a Paul Bunyan type figure, where

2672
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:47,880
Speaker 4: it's like mythical, the mystique is off the charts. With

2673
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:48,600
Speaker 4: a guy like that.

2674
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:51,680
Speaker 2: Therese radio calls and not a lot of video, you know,

2675
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:55,000
Speaker 2: especially his perfect game. You know, I kind of call

2676
02:01:55,080 --> 02:01:56,680
Speaker 2: from from Vince Scully.

2677
02:01:56,520 --> 02:02:00,360
Speaker 4: Hits a little bit different thanks to Mark, thanks to

2678
02:02:00,440 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 4: Brandon Breebrie. We still miss you, we love you, but

2679
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:07,680
Speaker 4: we got Project Nil I think coming up next here

2680
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Speaker 4: on Fox Sports Radio.