WEBVTT - Training Camp Risers and Fallers 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.720 Welcome to NFL Daily. Where we're in the dog days 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.280 a training camp. Training camp is sort of over for 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:13.400 some teams. That's weird. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here with 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:17.079 Nick Shook. He's in Cleveland. I'm in Los Angeles. It 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:23.479 is Sunday evening, August ninth, and yes, the last full 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.720 week of training camp practices before most of the league 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.240 plays their preseason games are over. And when I say 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.040 camp is over, I mean teams like the Rams, the Giants, 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.720 the Bill like they've packed up their one location and 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.640 they're going to another and perhaps practicing not in front 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.360 of the fans. Things are already changing, Shook. And we 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.919 have so many risers and follers, so many nuggets from 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:53.680 a week that included you in Canton watching Carson Beck, 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.920 you know, become a household name if he wasn't already. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:58.920 Watching the greatest Hall of Fame game I've ever covered 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.560 in person. Let me tell, oh, yeah, what electric night 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:06.080 that was. It's crazy, Greg, it's August ninth, it I mean, 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.200 I know, July twenty seventh, which is when all the 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.200 camps generally opened for the veterans twenty seven to twenty eighth. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.039 It feels like it was just yesterday, because it was 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.040 basically less than two weeks ago, but it legit feels 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:16.880 like it was yesterday. Training camp has flown by, and 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:18.320 I know the guys that were in camp do not 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:19.880 feel that way right. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:22.840 For a lot of the teams, they do the install 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.400 period right away that just ended. It's like eight nine practices, 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.560 and then there's a transition where you start doing some 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.440 game prep, where you're working on specializing, where you start 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.720 to really narrow down what the depth chart is going 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:35.360 to look like. And that's what a lot of these 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.000 risers and folloers are going to be about throughout the program. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.959 So let's start positive, and let's just roll through a 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:46.840 bunch of the different ups. And one of the items 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.360 of news that popped over the weekend, unfortunately, if you're 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.080 a Deshaun Watson fan, it's a good weekend for you. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.400 He got all the first team reps after looking great 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.960 for two straight days according to the people there, and 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.160 great is relative, but in terms of how he had 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.040 been playing two positive days in a row, one of 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:09.120 them was after they essentially stopped playing Shudar Sanders with 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.160 the first team. Weird, because Todd Munkin who's been a 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.280 straight shooter, said yeah, we're gonna keep the rotation going. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.760 Then later that they he absolutely didn't. So look, if 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.520 you're looking for Deshaun Watson to start week one, throwing 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.640 the ball to Denzel Boston, who is definitely a riser. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.120 A lot of people saying he is the best looking 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.200 Browns offensive player in camp period, maybe at any position. 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.920 It sounds like it's trending that way. If nothing else 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.440 for preseason week one, it sounds like he'll start. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.480 Yeah, that's the biggest takeaway that I heard this week 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.440 was Denzel Boston just being the star of camp and 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.440 whether it was somebody who was visiting for a day 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.240 like I saw Ben Solack from ESPN. His takeaways were 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.880 literally just different ways to describe how Denzel Boston is 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.880 a monster in this camp. Camp. You know, standouts are one. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.120 Thing on field is different. We'll get the first test 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.240 of that this week. But it is good for Browns 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.400 fans to hear that they may have their next favorite 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.520 receiver because they haven't really had one that they've really 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.160 really loved since that guy who wore number twelve and 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.200 couldn't stay on the field because of disciplinary issues. I'm 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.880 talking about Josh Gordon the quarterback thing. It's it's weird 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.480 because the narrative as of God, what did I do? 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:13.000 I did Cleveland Radio this past week. 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:14.880 It was like two days ago, it was different. 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.040 They were like, oh, shoot Doors, but at this point 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:18.640 you might as well just name him the starter. And 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.760 then now all of a sudden's Deshawn's momentum. So again, 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.000 this is one of those things, more than anything with 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.240 this team that's going to be decided I think on 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.440 the field in preseason, so we'll see. I was out unfold. 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.200 I think the fix is in. They want to give 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.280 him one more shot. I've been saying that for months. Yeah, 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.720 it's unfortunate Cedric Tillman, for instance, we're doing Risers at 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.960 this part. But one thing that's rising to me is 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:44.120 just the base level of this Browns receiving group, because 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.720 now that Jerry Judy is in theory just part of 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:51.680 your top three with Boston in concepcion, like everyone's moved 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:53.400 down the order, like guys like Cedric Tillman and I 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.120 might not even make this team. So that that is 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.120 a good sign if you're a Browns fan. Let's go 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.760 to New England where aj Brown, Christian Gonzalez going at 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.240 it all week. Uh even got into it like yelling 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.400 at each other a little bit. Little our iron sharpens iron. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.520 Let's let's listen to Christian Gonzales talk about it. 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.880 Yeah, I mean it's good on good. You know, he's 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:15.640 a he's a number one receiver in this league going 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.800 up against a number one corner. I mean, that's how 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.080 it's gonna go. You know, it's it's football at the 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.279 end of the day. You know, there's never no disrespect 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.880 or anything. You know, we're just battling and getting each 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.680 other better. That's He's gonna face corners like that that 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.720 are you know, gonna gonna yap at him, get a 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.480 gonna try to get in his head. And I'm a 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.200 face receivers like that that are strong and come right 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:36.680 back at me. 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.720 So it's great work for for the both of us. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.440 I just wanted to get some positivity here early in 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.160 the show. There are some pretty major injuries to talk about, 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.839 like Laramie Tunzel and other situations, and the Patriots have 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:50.920 some negative stuff too. But if I was gonna pick 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.520 a positive from this week, Gabe Akis, their second round 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.120 pick by all accounts, has hit the ground running and 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.520 they need it. With Harold Landry been out with an injury, 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.600 they don't have much of a pass rush. He reportedly 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.800 look good and then at receiver to Mario Douglas. According 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.320 to Greg Baddard, who really covers this team closely, you know, 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.719 he knows he's done well in each of his training camps. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.040 He's the type of shifty, slack guy that often does 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.200 well in training games. But he says this this year 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.720 feels a little different that he is right there at 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.719 the top of this depth chart. And I to me, like, 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.000 if you're asking me who's going to lead this team 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.080 in receptions, AJ Brown and Di Mario Douglas are probably 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.640 the top two candidates. I am kind of buying that 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.120 hype that the guy who came in with Drake May, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.280 who has the best chemistry third year leap, Like he's 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:36.800 not going to go away just because they bring in 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.200 guys and you're making a face at me. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.680 No, I just think it's interesting. It's intriguing the idea 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:42.760 of a J. Brown as your threat to win in 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:46.120 one on ones, potentially downfield, and then pop Douglas underneath, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.920 Like it makes for a very balanced, you know, a 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.240 passing attack that can attack you basically at all three levels. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.880 I like this idea, the idea of him leading them 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:58.000 in receptions. That's that's one that I'm going to have 0:05:58.000 --> 0:05:58.600 to see happen. 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.120 Okay, the Patriots what we'll get to some followers a 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.000 little bit later. I wanted to hit inside that same division. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.400 Chop Robinson keeps getting positive notes for the Dolphins. Not 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.760 a lot of national Dolphins covered right now, so it's 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.160 good to hear he might be having a little bit 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.640 of a third year resurgence in this defense, which is 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.919 going to be much more attacking, much different. Also a 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:21.599 lot of positive notes. You know from the people on 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.479 the ground that Malik Willis has had a nice camp. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.760 Let's go to Tampa where this is the type of 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.000 thing that you need trading camp for. And I know 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.600 you have to see it on the field, YadA YadA. 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.440 But the way that the bucks Edge group is coming 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.640 together reminds me of what I just talked about with 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.359 the Browns. And the most surprising part of it is 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.080 a man named David Walker. I don't know if you 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.080 scouted him heavily going into the twenty five draft, but 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.560 he missed all last year they were excited about him. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.400 He was a third round pick for Tampa, misses it 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.560 with the knee injury, doesn't play as a rookie. He 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.240 has a sack in all nine days of trading camp 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.200 in which there were team drills, which is a wild 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:00.719 like streak to keep going. And maybe it seems a 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.039 little fluky, but a lot of the Bucks reporters have said, like, 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.960 he's looked like the best player in camp and if 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.600 nothing else, like he's not gonna displace Yaya Diabi. But 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.080 you have Ruben Bain who's looked good. Those two guys 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.679 are saying, hey, we're gonna be like the new version 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.320 of Freeeny and Robert Mathis because they're not like the 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.520 biggest guy, tallest guys that were okay, like calm down, 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.320 but they're young guys who are getting excited. And you 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.880 also have al Kahed Mohammad there. And so now I 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.240 look at this group. It was a group for instance, 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.320 Anthony Nelson and our friend John Ledyard pointed this out 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.360 was like the number three edge a year ago and 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.320 now he's the number six edge on the team. And 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.160 so everything, you know, you add a couple you know, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.760 new players, free agents, rookies and then Walker getting back 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.240 into the mix if he's a good rotation guy. I'm 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:46.880 pretty excited about this Bucks defense. 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.560 Yeah, well you have to be because it's a make 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.240 or break situation for them. Given I mean, you know what, 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:53.680 You're gonna get it out out of the offense. For 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.680 the most part. This has become an offensive team, but 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.320 you have to be better defensive. You have to be 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.120 more towards Todd Bowles identity to justify his employment and 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.960 to also win football games and keep the negative vibes 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:04.960 from taking over. This is a good week of positivity 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:06.680 and getting it from a player like this is very 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.320 encouraging because, like you just explained, it adds to your depth. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.560 Now you got to keep ryding that, keep building that. 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.440 If this can become a more balanced team, then I'll 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.120 start to feel a lot better about them than I 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:16.440 do right now than I did at the start of 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:17.000 training camp. 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.280 I like like the direction. There have been some injuries, 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.160 but overall, like I feel like this defense might be 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.720 more exciting than the offense, which was just has not 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.560 been the case there for a couple of years. It 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:32.240 definitely was the case with the Colts last year with 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.400 Daniel Jones rolling through the early portions of the season. 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.079 He has been back. We've been tracking this Shane Stike 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.040 and very excited about his quarterback. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.240 Obviously, we chart all the throws, we chart accuracy throws, 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.439 all that stuff, and he's on fire right now. 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:47.440 So it's awesome to see. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.719 It's obviously a good sign for a football team when 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:50.680 he's thrown the ball that way. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.400 For sure, hasn't had a lot of health there at 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.280 wide receiver Alec Pierce still has not come back. Josh 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:02.160 Downs was out of practice this weekend with an injury. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:06.520 We don't know how serious that is, but they're trying 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.360 to use him on the outside, and it just doesn't 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.640 make sense. They don't have anyone really stepping up on 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.080 the outside. Maybe it's Ashton Duel in Westbrook, Akina like Woo, 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.360 and yet the reports are that Daniel Jones is like 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.120 dicing up this defense. So I don't know if that's 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.400 a bad sign for the defense or just a great 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.360 sign for Daniel Jones. He needs to get his receivers 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.400 back on the field. But it's one of my biggest 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.480 takeaways from the first couple of weeks of training camp 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.240 is just okay Daniel Jones is like we'll see when 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.800 the season actually starts, but everyone there seems to think 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.679 like he's all the way back in a way that 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.280 even with Patrick Mahomes at his knee brace, so we'll 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:41.920 get to I don't feel like that's the case for 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.040 him and for Daniel Jones, like it does feel like 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.280 they're just expecting him to be full system go. 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.320 Yeah, that was weird at the start of camp that 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.400 they seem to have such a positive outlook that they 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:54.160 were just just basically guaranteeing, not guarantee, but all beg guarantee, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.719 operating as if he's going to be raided a role. 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.560 I'm thinking about this receiver situation as you're describing it, 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.040 and I'm looking at their depth chart just thinking like 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.880 maybe this is a big twelve thirteen personnel candidate team 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.199 this year, Like maybe it's just Tyler Warren and Moley 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.640 Cox and Drew Ogletree and you're just gonna pound it 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.880 with Jonathan Taylor who just got paid again, and then 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:13.520 you just kind of work off of that with Alec 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.520 Pierce once he comes back healthy and Josh Downs, but 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.880 moving Josh Downs out of the slot, I don't like 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.640 the idea of putting him the outside. That's that's not 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.800 what he should be doing. I think I think we're 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.640 underrating Nick Westbrook a keene a little bit, just a 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.120 tiny bit. But he's not like the He's not a 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.600 number three that's gonna be like, oh, that's turning my head. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:30.960 But I think he might be more productive there than 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:31.520 you expect. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.760 John Byrne in the chat, says lakewan Fredwell breakout. 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:37.640 I was gonna say it. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:44.000 I was like, great, you kind of forgot Treadwell still 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.160 getting checks if he makes the team because that those 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.120 training team checks aren't aren't that meaningful for a former 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.600 first round pick. But yeah, if you got any questions, 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.600 we appreciate you watching along live on Sunday nights. It's 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.160 Sunday Nights with Shook and yeah, give us, give us 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.439 a like and uh ask your questions. Let's go to 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:08.160 the bills who opened high Mark Stadium here, and we'll 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:13.640 go positive first before getting to the uniforms. O Cyrus 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:17.280 Torrance got paid a lot of money. I was like, 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.280 eighty eight million dollars guaranteed for Osyrus Torrance. But he's 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.160 been an ascending player. I think who they want to 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.400 be This is why you let a guy like David 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.640 Edwards go in free agency, because you want to pay 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.360 your homegrown talent and you're really excited about him. Some 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:35.079 other just depth chart notes that I wanted to get 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.760 to Caleb Elam's or who's a mid round rookie has 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:40.600 been getting a lot of the green dot. You know 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.520 that the starting linebacker reps partly because of injuries there 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.720 and now they're getting healthier at linebacker. But just someone 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.920 that the official Bills podcasts have been saying has really 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.360 stood out. That's with Chris Brown and Steve Tasker. They 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.000 also say Joshua Palmer has looked much more like the 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.240 guy that they expected a year ago. He's healthier, more 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.559 comfortable in the offense, doing some yards after the catch, 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.160 and so it might be something where he's not a 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.160 fantasy guy, but if he can just help out the 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:08.960 Bills a little bit more than last year where he 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.520 basically was a free agent bust, that would be big 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.640 for them. Dalton Kincaid, according to The Athletic, has been 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.400 the best receiving option in camp. My note for him 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.000 is just like he's healthy, sweet, like he has not 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.199 had many multi week periods in the NFL, including in 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.600 camp where he's just healthy. So cross your fingers, because 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.679 Kincaid is the fantasy guy on this team I'd be 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.079 most interested in, and so far one of the guys 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:32.839 we've talked about a lot on the show over the years, 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:34.880 Alec Anderson, who is that kind of brought in the 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.760 whole sixth offensive lineman trend in the NFL. He right 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.480 now is winning the left guard battle. Are you are 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.400 you a Kincaid guy? I don't know what got your 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.439 fancy out out of all these bills notes, but are 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.400 you like a Kincaid guy? Because I do feel like 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:54.880 Dalton Kincaid has like eleven hundred yard season, gets drafted 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:59.000 as the te fourteen in fantasy and finishes fourth. I 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:00.880 just don't know what season that's going to be shook. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.000 It could be this season, it could be in two seasons. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.280 Like it's going to happen one season. I don't think 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.079 it's gonna happen every season. I think it's gonna happen 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:07.600 one season. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.280 Can Yeah, you know what, that's a fair projection. The 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.760 thing is is like answering that question is a little 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.600 bit difficult. Are you a Dalton Kincaid guy. I'm an 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.880 aspirational Dalton Kincaid guy, if that makes sense. Like, I'm 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.239 hoping that he ends up living up to the expectation 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.120 that followed him out of college and the expectation that 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.840 comes with sharing a tight end group with Dawson Knox. 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.280 But it hasn't really happened entirely yet. So for the 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.480 player on like just the player by himself, I am. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.319 I'm very much Dalton Kincaid guy. I just don't want 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.240 to set my expectations too high, So maybe one of 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.800 those seasons comes around and then you know, it reaches 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.160 that bar checks that box and we're fine. I'm a 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:44.680 fan of him as a player, I just don't expect 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.559 him to be a big fantasy monster or anything like that. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.520 Now, are you a uniform guy, because I sort of. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.040 I am the uniform I don't know if you know this, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.000 but I am the NFL dot Com uniform guy. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.560 Okay, so let's let's put up the Nickel City uniforms. 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:03.240 The officially opened the Bills new facility looks really cool. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.679 You know that the fans are covered, you know, from 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.640 the elements, but it's an open air stadium, which you're 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.400 getting to see it for the first time. It almost 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.720 looks like a very cool, you know, euro soccer stadium. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.120 So shout out to the Bills for getting that done. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.080 But they go out there the first time Josh Allen 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.160 is on the field in the new stadium, he is 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.640 wearing these uniforms, which I don't hate as much as 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.000 everyone And I can't remember a uniform getting as routinely 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:35.120 dismissed as this one, which reminds me a little bit 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.040 shook people say in CFL. Reminds me a little bit 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.080 of the Dave Craig Seahawks uniforms, like that that era 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.680 of Seahawks, which you know it's not Bills, but it's 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.880 not the worst thing ever, are you? Are you as 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.640 anti these uniforms as everyone else's. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:54.560 I appreciate when a design group tries something new and 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.000 tries to be different with a team that is pretty 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.280 locked into their color scheme, their look, their logo. There's 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.640 not a lot of variety with the Bills. It's basically, 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.880 you know, the bill logo, like the main one that 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:07.960 we all know, the primary, and then you have just 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.800 your wordmark. There's no secondary marks to work with, which 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:12.560 I think limits them when it comes to things like this, 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.080 so instead they try to take the charging streak from 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.680 the logo and make it on that's their logo on 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.080 the side of the helmet. I don't think that's executed properly, 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.760 and it looks really weird from behind because it meets 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.480 in the back of the shape of a V, which 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.240 reminds me of Fresno State wearing the V on the 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.960 back of their helmet college football. I also think that 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.160 the Bills are not a team that needs a gray uniform. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.240 I don't care about the Nigta City thing. They had 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.560 a red color Rush uniform that was way better than this, 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.920 so it's ambitious. I like the effort. You're trying to 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.560 do something different, but ultimately it deserves some of the 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:43.560 criticism it's gotten. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.200 We are, yeah, we're getting a lot of booze, a 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.600 lot of negativity, and I agree. And the little Bills 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.120 on the uniform, it just it looks a little too 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.120 much like Boise State. Ben asks any idea how DJ 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.200 Moore is looking for target share. Shakir holding the top 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.960 wide receivers and Kinkaid getting more targets scares me. I 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.600 think DJ Moore is the most talented receiver on this team, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.280 I think you're going to get a honeymoon season out 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.120 of him. I think they gave up too much for him, 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.200 but ultimately I think he leads them in yards. I 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.840 think Khalilshaker, it's it's been a little bit diminishing returns, 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.800 especially with Joe Brady running things lately, and so I 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.680 think he's going to get a pretty good target share 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.760 at DJ Moore and end up like living up to 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.520 what's been a pretty high fantasy billion. All right, let's 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.520 move on from the Bills. Let's go to the riser 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:36.320 that shockingly has not been mentioned that much on NFL Daily. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.280 It's one of these stories of the century, I would 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.440 say in the NFL. The fact that the Jets have 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.360 brought back Geno Smith to start games again is one 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.640 of the craziest things ever, Especially Gino Smith out of 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.480 one of the worst off of one of the worst 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.720 seasons of any starting quarterback, and all of last season 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.320 maybe the worst. I mean, he was right there with 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.360 anyone that actually started the whole season, and that he's 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.960 the freaking starter for the New York Jets after how 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.840 it ended last time. And you know what he's doing, Nick, 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.760 He is lighting up the defense. He's giving them a 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.800 high level day after day. A. D Mitchell is going 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.880 down the field, he's getting protected by armand Membu. I'm 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.080 hashtag noticing that a lot of people saying armand Membu 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.160 has taken another step and is possibly the best player 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.639 on this team and maybe the best player on this 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:26.359 offense already. I like it. I like the competence that 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.679 I'm hearing all the Jets reporters are like, maybe we 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.120 just haven't seen it in a while, but this looks pretty. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.280 Good competence on one side of the football. It's a 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.400 little concerning that Gino's lighting the defense up in training camp, 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.160 just because I feel like the defense needs to be better. 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.560 That is, you know, your head coach Aaron Glenn's identity, 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.800 and it's a team that also, you know, notoriously didn't 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:48.639 have an interception all last year. So getting lit up 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.760 by Geno, while it's not that surprising, given, but we 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.000 know Gino can do when he's protected, well, it is 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:54.280 a little concerning, but. 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:55.199 Fair, you know what. 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:56.840 You know what I'm happy to hear about from this 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.240 that you just described the Jets invested in a mountain 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.760 of a tackle and it paid off this time because 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:04.960 it sure is held in with Makai Beckton. So I'm 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.199 so glad that the vibes should go with armand Membu. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:12.760 And I was pining for armand Membu instead of Will Campbell. 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.960 Will Campbell's reportedly had a pretty good camp. He missed 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.639 a couple of days with injury, so I just decided 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.520 not to mention that in the Patriots thing. But Membo 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.520 is special. If you watch his tape last year, commenter notes, a, Yeah, 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.760 Frank Reich is on the Jets staff, it is easy 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.000