1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: This episode contains content that may be disturbing to some listeners. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: Please check the show notes for more information. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. This is the 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: story about the Antichrist, the Antichrist Superstar. It's also the 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: story of a deadly car crash, a murder that almost 6 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: was nearly, innumerable allegations of abuse, and acts by a 7 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: rock star so depraved we can barely mention them, and 8 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: that's saying something for this podcast. This is a story 9 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: about Marilyn Manson, a man who, yes, made great music, 10 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: unlike that music I played for you at the top 11 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: of the show that wasn't great music, That was a 12 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: preset loop for my melotron called Winnie Cooper Stole My 13 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: Heart MK one. I played you that loop because I 14 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: can't afford the rights to Macarena by Los del Rio. 15 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: And why would I play you that specific slice of 16 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: I Cheese? Could I afford it? Because that was the 17 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: number one song in America on October eighth, nineteen ninety six, 18 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: and that was the day Marilyn Manson released his album 19 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: Antichrist Superstar, who forever changed the pop music relationship between 20 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: art and humanity. On this episode, a deadly crash, a 21 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: murder that almost was, allegations of abuse and shocking acts 22 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: of depravity. 23 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: From Marilyn Manton. 24 00:01:46,520 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm Jake Brennan and this this disgraceland. 25 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: Stay hell out of my basement. 26 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: That was the warning from Marilyn Manson's grandfather. Marilyn Manson 27 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: was back then only known by his god given name 28 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: Brian Warner, and his grandfather was not fucking around. 29 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: Stay the hell out of my basement. 30 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: His grandfather had a tracheotomy and used a mechanical valve 31 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: to speak. He lived his life with an open wound 32 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: in his neck that led directly to a hole in 33 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: his windpipe, which allowed him to breathe. The talking mechanism 34 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: made him sound like a demonic robot. 35 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: Stay the hell out of my basement. 36 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: But hell was too inviting a proposition young Marilyn Brian 37 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: Warner couldn't resist. He snuck down into his grandfather's basement 38 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: one afternoon to snoop and there was a dusty wooden 39 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: table filled with boxes, tools, dirty ash trays, pretty much 40 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: what you'd expect in a grandfather's basement. And there was 41 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: also hardcore pornography, specialized pornomax Asian fever, finger hot pussies 42 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: and cold spikes, and the more directly named big titties. 43 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: There was also a stack of black and white photos 44 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: depicting bestiality, men and women engaged in well acts with 45 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: animals too depraved and disgusting for me to repeat here. 46 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: And then there was a sound. The door to the 47 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: basement stairs creaked open, and Brian quickly hid under the table. 48 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: His grandfather bounded down the stairs and sat at the table, 49 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: unaware that his grandson was hidden away at his feet. 50 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: To a boy. 51 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: The sounds that came next were all too familiar, the 52 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: fly being unzipped and the dispensing of the lotion from 53 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: the bottle, the slick sound of skin over skin. But 54 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: the next sounds were truly horrifying, and you could barely 55 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: hear the sounds beneath the scorched earth distortion of al 56 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: Jorgensen from ministries, guitars pumping through the speakers. But those 57 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: sounds of horror, of abuse, they were there, burbling up 58 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: from somewhere in this underground Fort Lauderdale Fetish Club's darkness. 59 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: It was the early nineteen nineties and Marilyn Manson and 60 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: the Spooky kids had finished their set at Club Squeeze 61 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: when the crowd had split. Now it was just bartenders 62 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: and bar backs posing place down, counting cash, splitting tips, 63 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: eager to make it out before sunrise, with hopes of 64 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: some sort of afterparty to crash. But those sounds ministry 65 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: stigmata could not cover them up. One male bar back 66 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: asked a female bartender to walk them into the women's 67 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: bathroom where the sounds of horror were coming from. And 68 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: they entered, and the sounds grew louder, and they followed 69 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: the sounds toward a stall, opened the door, and there 70 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: he was, leader of the so called Spooky Kids, Marilyn Manson, 71 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: nearly naked, long stringy black hair, makeup smudged across his 72 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: face in all the wrong places, ripped pantyhose, rubber hotpants, 73 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: wild eyed with a ballgag in his mouth, handcuffed to 74 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: the toilets, struggling to free himself like a trapped rock 75 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: and roll animal. After laughing uncontrollably for a few minutes. 76 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: At their discovery, the bartender and barback found the keys 77 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: to the handcuffs and released Marilyn Manson back into the wild. 78 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: The wild was, of course, Florida, where Brian Warner had 79 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: relocated from the horror of his grandfather's basement in Canton, Ohio, 80 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: to attend community college in Fort Lauderdale and study journalism. 81 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: Brian might have escaped his grandfather's basement in the oppressive 82 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: Christian education back in his hometown, but he couldn't escape himself. 83 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: Even after changing his name to Marilyn Manson and putting 84 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: together a band and a look that made Alice Cooper, 85 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: Iggy Pop and David Bowie appear modest in comparison, and 86 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: even after presenting a stage show that included leading a 87 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: female band member around on a leash and violently punching 88 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: her in the face, among other acts of public depravity 89 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: and abuse, Marilyn Manson could not escape what he always knew. 90 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: He was a worm, a slimy insect with no backbone, 91 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: both male and female genitalia, a Darwinian afterthought, the weakest 92 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: of the week, a glutton for human rot, too shameful 93 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: to make it above ground, relegated to the basements and 94 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: fetish club bathrooms. Born of subterranean bestiality and shameful self gratification, 95 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson fronted one of Fort Lauderdale's most interesting and 96 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: potentially explosive underground bands. But he knew that that potential 97 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: would never be realized without metamorphising from worm to snake, 98 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: or better yet, from worm to demon. There was no 99 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: half step in your way to rockstardom. He had two 100 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: choices in this life. Choice one, strike at the heart 101 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: and become the man he was meant to be, a 102 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: man equal in stature to the men he repeatedly read 103 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: and looked up to, Anton Levy, author of the Satanic 104 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: Bible and nihilistic philosopher Frederic Nietzsche. Or Choice two, end 105 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: up with a wife with flabby tits and two dumb 106 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: kids and a future in a suburban basement with your dick. 107 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: In your hand. 108 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: And the choice was obvious. Become the man he was 109 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: meant to be a rock star, kill the worm. To 110 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: do that, Marilyn Manson needed to rid himself any trace 111 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: of humanity, no empathy, no nothing. 112 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: He needed to. 113 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: Replace the blood coursing through his six foot three, skinny 114 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: frame with ice water. He needed to be completely callous, 115 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: totally uncaring, devoid of any in all care or concern 116 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: for anyone but himself. Do what thou wilt. It was 117 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: that familiar narcissistic rock star refrained, champion by the acolytes 118 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: of Alistair Crowley, Jim Morrison, Jimmy Page, David Bowie. But 119 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: those dudes didn't take it far enough. There was a 120 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: line between their stage personas and their real life personas, 121 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: and Marilyn Manson was determined to obliterate that line. The 122 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: two cars collided on the street in front of Manson, 123 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: who was walking home late at night. There were no 124 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: sirens and no ambulance as yet, no cops, no doors 125 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: opening from nearby houses, not even any screams from inside 126 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: the two demolished vehicles, just an eerie calm smoke rising 127 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: from the crushed engines, wafting silently into the humid Florida air. 128 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: Manson walked toward the crash, not out of curiosity, but 129 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: just because the accident was between him and where he 130 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: was going. The slow, mechanical creaking sound of the damaged 131 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: automobile door opening, and then the scuffed shuffle of the 132 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: zombies stumbling out of one of the cars onto the street. 133 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: He was covered in blood, staggering with one hand on 134 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: his forehead, and then he dropped his hand and the 135 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: flap of skin that was his forehead flopped down over 136 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: his eyes and nose, brains, blood, and Manson did nothing. 137 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: He kept walking away from the badly injured man in 138 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: desperate need of help. Manson glanced into the other car 139 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: as he passed it, and there she was another severely 140 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: injured driver, a woman behind the wheel. She made eye 141 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: contact with Manson. Her breathing was labored, her pain was palpable. 142 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 2: She was dying. 143 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: Manson could tell hould me, she whispered to him, with 144 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: a shiver. Please somebody hold me, she asked him. Then 145 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: Manson kept walking. Fucked them. They didn't deserve his comfort, 146 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: his mercy. They were dying, And so what's the worm? 147 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: Letting two innocent people die in your watch without lifting 148 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: a finger to help is a special kind of deplorable. 149 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: So is inflicting abuse on others intentionally, as Marilyn Manson 150 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: did as part of a stage show. But hold up, 151 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: this story can't go any further without acknowledging the shock 152 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: rock elephant in the room. Marilyn Manson is accused of 153 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: monstrous abuse, abuse that goes far beyond is admitted neglect 154 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: in the stage antics. He rationalizes his art abuse from 155 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: multiple women, abuse that has landed him not only in 156 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: the headlines, but in court, an abuse that, it must 157 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: be noted, Marilyn Manson has vehemently denied. For the record, 158 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: Brian Warner aka Marilyn Manson has not been found guilty 159 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: of any of the many charges brought against him. In 160 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: some cases, he and the plaintiffs have settled, so Brian 161 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: Warner slash Marilyn Manson remains innocent, a free man. That said, 162 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: it's worth specifically mentioning that the West World star Evan 163 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: Rachel Wood, Manson's ex girlfriend, has accused Marilyn Manson of 164 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 1: a pattern of abuse. Wood testified about her experience before Congress, 165 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: though in that testimony she did not name Manson. She did, however, 166 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: directly accuse Manson later on Instagram and in her twenty 167 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: twenty two documentary Phoenix Rising, which premiered at Sundance and 168 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: was shown on HBO. In it, Wood goes into great 169 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: detail about what she claims was a highly unorthodox and 170 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: extremely abusive relationship, claiming that Manson drugged and raped her. 171 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: Yet not only did Manson deny these allegations, he countersued 172 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: and ultimately settled with Wood. He admitted, though to nothing, 173 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: but agreed to pay three hundred and twenty seven thousand 174 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: dollars to Wood for her attorney fees in addition to 175 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: woods claims. At the height of the Me Too movement, 176 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, Manson was the subject of a Los 177 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: Angeles County District Attorney investigation over the filing of a 178 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: police report against him alleging unspecified sex crimes dating back 179 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: to twenty eleven. Again, Manson denied the allegation, citing quote 180 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: absence of corroboration on quote, and the La County DA 181 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: dropped the charges. In New York magazine Game of Thrones, 182 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: actress Asmi Bianco, a one time girlfriend of Manson, claimed 183 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: he chased her with an axe and assaulted her during 184 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: a shoot for a music video. Bianco later sued Manson, 185 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: claiming additionally that he raped her numerous times. Manson denied 186 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: these allegations, saying they were quote provably false un quote. 187 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, Bianco and Manson settled out of court, 188 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: though it should be noted that Bianco continues to rail 189 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: against Manson publicly and Manson continues to maintain his innocence. 190 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: Another ex girlfriend Morgan Smithline told People magazine in a 191 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: cover story in twenty twenty one that Manson was a monster. 192 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: She claimed that he cut her, whipped her, sexually assaulted her. 193 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: Manson denied the allegations through a spokesperson. Smith Lion later 194 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: went on the view and talked about suing Manson for 195 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: rape and human trafficking. In twenty twenty three, a judge 196 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: dismissed Smithlon's lawsuit, and smith Lyon later recanted her testimony 197 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: and claimed that Evan Rachel Wood and others manipulated her 198 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: into making her accusations against Marilyn Manson. In a sworn statement, 199 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: she said, quote, I succumbed the pressure from Evan Rachel 200 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: Wood in her associates to make accusations of rape and 201 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: assault against mister Warner that were not true. Eventually, I 202 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: started to believe that what I was repeatedly told happened 203 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: to miss Wood and others also happened. 204 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: To me unquote. 205 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, another X, this one unidentified, suede 206 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: Manson for rape, and Manson's legal team strongly denied the accusations, 207 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: and ultimately Manson and this Jane Doe settled the case. 208 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: Out of court. 209 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, the LA County Sheriff's Department announced 210 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: that it had been investigating Manson for close to two years. 211 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: The department raided his home, seized electronic storage devices, and 212 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: brought what a thought was its best case against Marilyn 213 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: Manson to the LA District Attorney. In January of twenty 214 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: twenty five, the District attorney announced that he would not 215 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: be bringing any criminal charges of sexual assault against Marilyn Manson, 216 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: stating that in some cases, the statute of limitations had 217 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: expired and that, furthermore, based on the evidence, the District 218 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: Attorney's office quote could not prove sexual assault in court unquote. Okay, 219 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: get all that. It's a lot. What do all these 220 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: allegations have in common besides the fact that none of 221 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: them stuck. I'll tell you they all happened after nineteen 222 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: ninety eight. Well, what happened in nineteen ninety eight? That 223 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: was the year Marilyn Manson released his autobiography, The Long 224 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: Hard Road out of Hell. Why is this important? Well, 225 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: lots of rock stars write autobiographies. You say, yeah, you're right, 226 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: but most other musicians don't contend with years of sexual 227 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: abuse allegations in and out of court after admitting to 228 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: some very questionable behavior that some would label abuse in 229 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: a memoir theoretically demonstrating what prosecuting attorneys could frame as 230 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: a pattern of abuse. In Marilyn Manson's drive to become 231 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: what he would eventually term the Antichrist superstar to Kill 232 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: the Worm, he repeatedly detailed numerous incidents of abuse in 233 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: the pages of his own book. Hog Tying a groupie 234 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: is not an easy task. First, you have to find 235 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: the space to do it, which isn't as easy as 236 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: you would think. You might think that backstage is a 237 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: good enough place, but then you got to deal with 238 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: pesky onlookers, members of your band looking for a cheap thrill, 239 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: too ignorant to realize that what you're going for in 240 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: this situation is nihilism, not kink. The two groupies, they 241 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: were runaways, a boy and a girl. Now you wanted 242 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: emotional carnage. You wanted to break down the humanity, elicit 243 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: a confession, something neither runaway had admitted before. There was 244 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: power in that. Anton LeVay would agree the boy groupie 245 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: was fit for the hogtyme. In one of the backstage 246 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: back rooms, that was private enough. He stripped down naked. 247 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: I hate n't mind being tied up. You were his savior. 248 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: He and the girl told you so. You relished in 249 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: the sight a boy with his legs spread eagle each 250 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: bound to the contraption, his arms tied behind his back, 251 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: and the rope that bound him was also attached to 252 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: his neck, so any movement from his legs or arms 253 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: would choked him. And it was quite disturbing. Your partner 254 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: in crime, Your tourist bus driver sought a confession. The boy, 255 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: in his vulnerable state, was eager to give one. He 256 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: copped begging in the street. He copped to being abused 257 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: by his stepfather. He copped a pimping his sister out 258 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: for cash to buy tickets to your concert. One truck 259 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: stop blowjob coming up. And the shame was now palpable, 260 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: seeping into the backstage air as the boy admitted that 261 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: pimping out his sister got her reducted by a redneck trucker. 262 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: And the scene was depraved, and it was all being 263 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: captured on film. Then outside the backstage music suddenly cut, whispers, murmurs, loud, 264 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: authoritative commands. It was the cops busting up the backstage party, 265 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: and they were there to make sure the female groupies 266 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: were of age, digging through purses, checking ideas. In Marilyn 267 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: Manson's pocket, there were, of course drugs, and in the 268 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: room he was in there was a naked, hogtied boy 269 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: with evidence of the entire crime on a rolling video camera. 270 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson quietly untied the boy and got him dressed, 271 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: and the cops never bothered entering the room. The incident 272 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: ended without further drama. Not only was the abuse documented 273 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: on camera, but also in Marilyn Manson's book, as I said, 274 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: and of course there are numerous other incidents of abuse 275 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: details in his book, all of which were made public 276 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, years before Manson was officially accused 277 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: of anything. My point is that everything was right there 278 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: in the open for all to see. Does this abuse 279 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: incriminate Marilyn Manson for the crimes he was later accused of. No, 280 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: it does not, but it does paint a picture of 281 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: someone capable of truly awful behavior. And again all of 282 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: that was known, known of course by his bandmates, who 283 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: in many cases behaved just as badly as he did, 284 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: known by his managers and known by his record label. 285 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: They were all aware of it, and they were even 286 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: aware of the young woman. Marilyn Manson set out to murder. 287 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this. 288 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: We're we're, we're. 289 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: Killing your ex girlfriend is easy. Killing your ex girlfriend 290 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: and getting away with it is another proposition altogether. Marilyn 291 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: Manson plotted this murder carefully. Everything was at stake. You 292 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: can't break out of Fort l and an industrial rock 293 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: band and lead a nation of malcontent teens out of 294 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: conformity and into the satanic promised land from prison. No, 295 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: you must be free, free on the outside, and free 296 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: of your ex girlfriend's obsessive control and smothering presence. Murder 297 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: was the only solution. Not only did it solve your 298 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: ex girlfriend problem, but killing another human solved your humanity 299 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: problem as well. Kill the girl, Kill the worm, the 300 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: worm inside you. Kill the old you, the Brian Warner 301 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: still skulking around on the inside, haunting your conscience with 302 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: shame and fear and worse, compassion for others. Fuck that 303 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: guy and fuck her. Your plan was solid. You spent 304 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: weeks piecing it together, obsessing over every detail. First, you 305 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: did your research, You followed her tracked her daily movements. 306 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: You cased her house, You took in all the details 307 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: you could, like a proper criminal, and then you decided 308 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: on a means to match your motive. Parson. It was perfect. 309 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: Arson destroyed not only the girl, but the evidence linking 310 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: you to the girl. It was a type of perfect 311 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: diabolical scheme that makes psychopaths giddy with delight. You dawned 312 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: all black and downed enough liquor to steal your spine, 313 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: and then you hit the street toward her house kerosene, check, 314 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: zip a check. Her street was deserted. There was the 315 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: house that you were ready. Then the same man you 316 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: got a light from the darkness, a homeless man. He 317 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: went from asking for a light to try to get 318 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: you to buy crack off of him in a Fort 319 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: Lauderdale minute, and you tried to shake him. You had 320 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: a job to do, but he had a job to 321 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: do too. You were a potential customer, and he would 322 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: not fuck off. This was history, this was his house, 323 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: and devilish as you were, you couldn't burn the whole 324 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: damn street down. So you bailed, and then your murderous 325 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: plan faded, saved by a crackhead angel your ex girlfriend 326 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: never realized how close she'd come to death, That is 327 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: until she read your book, where you detailed everything you 328 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: wanted the world to know who you really were, Marilyn Manson, 329 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: not Brian Warner. Brian Warner had to die. Brian Warner 330 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: was in the way. Brian Warner was preventing you from 331 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: becoming the Antichrist superstar. That was the whole point. That's 332 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: what you were gunning for. From Fort Lauderdale's industrial underground, 333 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: nailing women to crucifixes, leading them around on all fours, 334 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: degrading them, keeping kids in cages on stage, hurling raw 335 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: meat and bloody animal parts at the audience, catching the 336 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: attention of nine inch Nails as Trent Reznor and his 337 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: Nothing Records label, to your debut album, Portrait of an 338 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: Eric and Family, to your breakthrough on MTV, and into 339 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: the mainstream with your excellent cover of the rhythmic sweet 340 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: Dreams Are Made of This, and finally back into the 341 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: studio in New Orleans, a former funeral home by the way, 342 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: with Trent at the boards, to create your magnumobis Antichrist Superstar. 343 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: But there was an uninvited guest at the studio Brian Warner. 344 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: Fuck this guy. How can you transform yourself into the 345 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: biggest rock star on the planet when you've got a warmy, 346 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: little asshole inside you telling you to take it slow 347 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: and maybe consider what others want out of this project. 348 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: Your bandmates, your producer, your record label, your fans, Fuck them, 349 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: and fuck Brian Warner. First, it was cocaine, A lot 350 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: of cocaine, rails and rails and rails of cocaine from 351 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: the minute you entered the studio until the minute you left. 352 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: Then you tried drowning Brian in alcohol, and when that 353 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: didn't work, you added pills, but Brian wouldn't go down easy. Still, 354 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: you kept it months in the studio of nothing but 355 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol and destruction, tape recorders in microwaves, held 356 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: fireworks in microwaves, destroyed guitars, snorting glass for fun. You had, 357 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: after all, a debaucherous studio reputation to live up to. 358 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: Ever since that time in Miami with the deaf groupie. 359 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: You brought her back to the studio there and she 360 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: was eager to strip down. You covered her meat and 361 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: then the sex acts started. Then you degraded her in 362 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: the most vile way you urinated on her. You claimed 363 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: she wanted it. You wanted that kind of inhumanity. Now 364 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: it was the only way to kill Brian and to 365 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: possess the power necessary to create what you knew you 366 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: had in you, a culture changing album, the type of 367 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: record that separated you not only from the conformists, but 368 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: from your peers as well, head and shoulders above Al 369 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: Jorgensen and anyone else from the industrial scene, A whole 370 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: other thing too big for the underground, A model and 371 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: dad David Bowie fronting lead fucking Zeppelin, powered by a 372 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: fresh new record deal with the Devil, and as far 373 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: as Trent fucking Resonor was concerned, he could hammer a 374 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: nine inch nail into his two inch cock and fuck 375 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: off back to Courtney loves Bet. You weren't as protege 376 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: like they said you were. He was a creative wench, 377 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: a bity eaglemanniathal mile marker on the Lost Highway to 378 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: superstart him. But right now hardly any music was being made. 379 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: So once again you turned to sex, sex with rank, 380 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: vile drug addicts and filthy public bathrooms. You degraded them 381 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: so violently in one instant said I'm not even gonna 382 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: repeat it here, but let's just say it involved thetoral 383 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: ring and you projected the decordation. But really you were 384 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: the target. Well, Brian was the target, and yet nothing worked. 385 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: Brian lived in your art, suffered, Your band was dying 386 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: in the studio in a haze of bad sex, worse drugs, 387 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: and no rock and role. In an effort to destroy 388 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: your humanity, you destroyed yourself as an artist. Because humanity 389 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 1: is at the core of all great art. You were 390 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: too smart not to finally realize this, and when you did, 391 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: you snapped too. If humanity was indeed needed to survive too, 392 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: in some twisted, ironic way to give birth to your 393 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: greatest artistic endeavor yet, the antichrist superstar, then fuck it. 394 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: Brian could stay and you'd get clean ish, knock down 395 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: the drug and alcohol intake, and focus yourself and your 396 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: band on the task at hand. And you'd relegate Brian 397 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: to the basement of your soul where he was comfortable, 398 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: and put him to work whenever necessary. After all, you 399 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: had a job to do to make the most shocking 400 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: mainstream rock album of all time, and fist, fuck the 401 00:26:50,680 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: American youth out of their catatonic conformist state. Celebrity is 402 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: its own drug. When all the famous people in Hollywood 403 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: want to get up close to your own personal freak 404 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: show and experience what it's like to breed the same 405 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: air as you. It's intoxicating, as intoxicating as the drugs 406 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: you take and the drugs that you're. 407 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: On right now. 408 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: You're so high it's hard to remember what you even took. 409 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: It's hard to remember where you even are. You're at 410 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: a table in public, and Billy Corgan is sitting at 411 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: this table across from you. He's either arguing with or 412 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: coming on to Rick Rubin's beard. Rick Rubin, the famous producer, 413 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: he's at the table too. You're in a restaurant or 414 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: a club or a bar, and everywhere you look there 415 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: are people, but they're looking at you like you're the attraction. 416 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: And there's the dudes from Zizi Top. Oh no are 417 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: their beards? Is gonna want to fight Rick Rubin's beard? 418 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: You hope not. Your mind it turns away from them, 419 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: It turns. 420 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: To your date. 421 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: You're lost date. You lost your date Fiona Apple long 422 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: ago in the night, and it's too bad. You really 423 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: liked her. But now you have another date, and she's 424 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: sitting at the table with you and Rick Rubin and 425 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: Billy Corgan. She's next to you and your jacket is 426 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: on her lap. Your hands are down her pants under 427 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: the table. She's famous too, She's also married. She's a 428 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: porn star. Jenna Jamison. You just met her, and you're 429 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: pissed off that she isn't Tracy Lawrence. The Beautiful People, 430 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: your smash single from the excellently produced, performed, and presented 431 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: album Antichrist Superstar, comes on loud over the speakers. You 432 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: feel people's eyes on you. You don't care. Most artists 433 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: would feign embarrassment. Not you. You welcome attention. It's about 434 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: fucking time. You deserve it. Making Antichrist Superstar nearly killed 435 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: you and your band, But not Brian Warner. He's still 436 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: in there. And the album debuted at number three on 437 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 1: the Billboard Charts. Rolling Stone said the album is responsible 438 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: for the death of Grune Mayot to thank You. Someone 439 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: had to do it, and those whiny flannel claud pussies 440 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: had it coming. You hate Grunch, not the music, the label. 441 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: You hate all labels, and that's in part why you're 442 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: here sitting at the table with your finger inside America's 443 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: most famous porn star, at your rightful seat at the 444 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: table with all the other rock stars. You made it. 445 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: Then the rest of the world is pissed, pissed at you, 446 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: pissed at your music, pissed. 447 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: At your band. 448 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: You're an affront to everything normal and decent in this country, 449 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: is what they say, to which you reply. Ain't that 450 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: the fucking point? You tear up the pages of a 451 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: Bible on stage, you literally wipe your ass with the 452 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: American flag. You strut around in a back brace with 453 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: a g string and a ball gag like some fascist dominatrix. 454 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: Dictator and parents, priests and politicians are apoplectic. What they 455 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: said about you was wild. Marilyn Manson is the son 456 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: and daughter of Charles Manson. Marilyn Manson had one of 457 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: his ribs removed so he could give himself a blowjob. 458 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson isn't really Marilyn Manson at all. He's Paul 459 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: from the Wonder Years. And he got Whinnie Cooper pregnant 460 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: and then he killed her, and then he had sex 461 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: with her, and then he had sex with a pig 462 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: on a video. He's actually black for real. He just 463 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: bleached his skin like Michael Jackson. He and Michael have 464 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: a sex called and Corey Feldman is their own personal 465 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: Manson dug up a body and smoked the bones. He 466 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: stole Courtney Love from Billy Corgan, who stole her from 467 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: Trent Reznor. That was actually Twiggy. Manson tattooed his entire 468 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: dick solid blood Breaston plants. They're just really small. He's 469 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,239 Speaker 1: Anton LaVey's son, Don Henley's niece. Marilyn Manson is a 470 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: fucking vegan. His grandfather built him a torture chamber that 471 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: he brought to his boy Scouts meeting. For sure, and 472 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: tell Marilyn Manson isn't real. Marilyn Manson is the most real. 473 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: Marne murdered his best friend Brian. Marilyn Manson is Brian 474 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: Warner is Marilyn Manson lives? What was true? What was false? 475 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: Who even knew anymore? For a minute there in the nineties, 476 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: after the release of Antichrist, Superstar, Marilyn Manson owned the zeitgeist. 477 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: His album painted a grotesque image of American society and 478 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: presented it as a mirror, and America did not like 479 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: what it saw. Most of America, that is, the teenage 480 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: record buying public being the exception, Manson's record sold millions 481 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: of copies, as did his next album, Mechanical Animals, which 482 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: went platinum on the strength of the monster singles, Dope Show, 483 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: and the excellently titled I Don't Like the Drugs But 484 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: the Drugs Like Me. Throughout the early two thousands, Manson 485 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: enjoyed his celebrity waltzing through the spotlight with beautiful, high 486 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: profile girlfriends Rose McGowan and died Devontis, who he briefly 487 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: married before beginning relationship with nineteen year old Evan Rachel Wood. 488 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: From there, we can start to track the downfall of 489 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson, at least as it relates to the abuse 490 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: that he has been accused of by Wood and others, 491 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: which he denies and perhaps less seriously, Marilyn Manson was 492 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: accused back then of not only corrupting America's youth with 493 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: the music on Antichrist Superstar, but of also being a 494 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: fascist and a racist due to the David Bowie inspired 495 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: fascistic imagery Manson incorporated into his live shows. Manson is 496 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: on record stating that Bowie got away with it because 497 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: Bowie claimed he was playing a character. Manson said, that's 498 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: a coppo. The anti Christ superstar concept was not a character. 499 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: It was his art, yes, but it was also him. 500 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: In his autobiography, Manson wrote the quote when people ask 501 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: is it an act or isn't it? Manson says, quote, 502 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: it's both. I mean, my whole life is an act, 503 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: but that's my art unquote. Allegations of abuse, allegations that 504 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson vehemently denies, allegations that did not stick, are 505 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: also part of Marilyn Manson's life. And what are we 506 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: to make of them? Were they the result of behavior 507 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: that was just part of the quote unquote act or 508 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: were they part of something deeper, darker, and far more disgraceful. 509 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm Jake Brennan, and this this disgrace. 510 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 3: Land, all right. 511 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging with me through some of the more 512 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: gnarly parts of this most narly episode. 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