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Speaker 2: Tscot Ti TI, touchdown and now your hosts Isaiah Standback,
Speaker 2: Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, and Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 4: It's a one month out from the NFL Draft edition
Speaker 4: of Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company, live
Speaker 4: from the Star in Frisco, Texas, in.
Speaker 1: The BC Studios. Welcome in everybody.
Speaker 4: We've got Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Standback, Chris Beam in the back.
Speaker 4: I'm Kyle Yeoman so glad you're with us. What is that, Josh?
Speaker 3: I think it's the Star magazine draft guy.
Speaker 5: I think this might be like the debut of it.
Speaker 3: It's the debut.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's even been released. This is definitely
Speaker 4: a sneak peek. This is what you get on Talking
Speaker 4: Cowboys is a nice.
Speaker 3: Little breaking news.
Speaker 4: That is the cover on there of the twenty twenty
Speaker 4: six NFL Draft Guide by the Cowboys Star Magazine personnel.
Speaker 3: Who contributed to that magazine.
Speaker 4: Call, I did, really, you know who take this up with?
Speaker 5: You want to know who wanted to put the organ
Speaker 5: duck on.
Speaker 1: The front Me. It was and it was only for you.
Speaker 5: I did it for you.
Speaker 4: No, I did it because Dylan Thieneman has a chance
Speaker 4: to be a Cowboy at least when we decided this magazine,
Speaker 4: he had a bigger chance probably, But I still don't
Speaker 4: necessarily think it's out of the conversation.
Speaker 3: Well is on the cover.
Speaker 1: Call.
Speaker 4: So you got Ruben bain Down on the bottom left
Speaker 4: hand corner, the edge rusher out of Miami. To us right,
Speaker 4: You've got David Bailey, the edge rusher out of Texas Tech.
Speaker 4: Then you've got Caleb Downs, Ohio State Safety. He's on
Speaker 4: the far left hand side. Then you got Monsieur Delaine
Speaker 4: over the top in the LSU gear. You got Sunny
Speaker 4: Styles in the gray Ohio State uniform, and then Dylan
Speaker 4: Theenum in there in the middle. Those are the cover
Speaker 4: athletes for this year's Cowboys Star magazine. Draft Guy available
Speaker 4: online shortly, I maybe within the next week, but it's
Speaker 4: in pro shops starting today. Oh if you come in
Speaker 4: person to any of the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Pro shop locations. I believe in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex.
Speaker 1: Leave with one. You can leave with one of these
Speaker 1: dress magazine. Do any of those guys make it out
Speaker 1: the top twelve?
Speaker 5: Any of them make it out of the top twelve,
Speaker 5: like beyond?
Speaker 1: Do the theenemon does? Probably? Yeah? Yeah, theenem In probably is. Uh.
Speaker 4: The other guys probably not. Bain Maybe because of the
Speaker 4: short arm, somebody might get a little worried.
Speaker 5: But that's my thing is if he ends up going
Speaker 5: to twelve, his.
Speaker 1: Arms are really short, Kyle, they are very almost too short,
Speaker 1: too short to play.
Speaker 3: The team shouldn't even look at it, idn't even touch.
Speaker 5: Them because you want them to end up here.
Speaker 1: Shut up.
Speaker 6: Shit.
Speaker 4: It is thirty days out from the NFL Draft, which
Speaker 4: means this is right around the time we're on Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 4: we start talking draft stuff and you know whatever started
Speaker 4: just better or start getting your film in with draft experts, and.
Speaker 1: We just started talking about it over there in the
Speaker 1: in the breakfast hall. That means it's almost time for practice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we're what two weeks away practice from
Speaker 4: from actually hitting the field, five weeks away now from
Speaker 4: hitting the field with rookie mining camp and then OTAs
Speaker 4: and then we're right back into practice time.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4: Speaking of March madness, it's gonna be madness by the
Speaker 4: time we get around to May, and I'm not ready
Speaker 4: for it yet. I'm just trying to hang out and
Speaker 4: get the draft stuff right.
Speaker 7: But I know, and you got two draft experts here
Speaker 7: in Isaiah stand back and drafting Kyle not as much,
Speaker 7: not as much. But if those wondering why we're missing
Speaker 7: Patrick no Cy Walker, he's having surgery today. If you
Speaker 7: didn't last week, he had an injury, a baseball injury.
Speaker 7: But he is getting surgery today. He will be back,
Speaker 7: no doubt about it. Patrick knowsy Walker will return.
Speaker 1: Show some love to no Sea in a chat. He
Speaker 1: looks at the chat, so y'all show him man some
Speaker 1: love and give him some support. Surgeries are scary things, right,
Speaker 1: It's not a for sure thing. You know. People go
Speaker 1: in and they just assume that everything's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: We are praying that everything's gonna be okay. But y'all
Speaker 1: send him some love because he definitely needs to feel
Speaker 1: the fam.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got to talk to him a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 4: He was in good, good Spirits was confident of course
Speaker 4: in the process, but man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always tough. No sea confident always, that's what
Speaker 1: the C stands for. Confident. But he is confident, yes.
Speaker 5: Patrick, Yes, confident Walker.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's it right off the tongue.
Speaker 5: It rolls. This one rolls, baby.
Speaker 4: All right, let's get into some news and notes, a
Speaker 4: couple of different things to keep in tabs with UH
Speaker 4: in terms of the Cowboys and what they did this
Speaker 4: past week, start with some of the guys that left Dallas.
Speaker 7: A notable name missing from that list, Kyle, I don't
Speaker 7: think we got to talk about him last week, Okay,
Speaker 7: Jalen Tolbert goes to the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think it happened before I show last week,
Speaker 1: but we didn't talk about it.
Speaker 3: I don't think we talked about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, not a big topic of conversation last week.
Speaker 1: I mean you talked about some over two years ago.
Speaker 1: Was your leading touchdown? Yeah? Yeah, seven two years ago.
Speaker 1: And I know he's never he has never been the
Speaker 1: big name around here, but put some respect on what
Speaker 1: he did two seasons ago. He led your team in touchdowns,
Speaker 1: which is I don't care what you feel about him.
Speaker 1: That was huge for him. Obviously last year somebody came
Speaker 1: and took a spot. That's what this league is about.
Speaker 1: It is about competition. And now he finds himself not
Speaker 1: being reinstated here with the Cowboys, but he gets an
Speaker 1: opportunity with another team, right, And that's the thing you
Speaker 1: interview for thirty one other teams which put on film,
Speaker 1: somebody most likely is going to be appreciative of it
Speaker 1: and feel as if you can be a contributor to
Speaker 1: them in their program. So now him and Malik will
Speaker 1: let's get to become best buds.
Speaker 7: I thought it's interesting that he's probably one of your
Speaker 7: top receivers for Miami now considering the trade that they
Speaker 7: had last week. But it's tough because Tolbert, like you said,
Speaker 7: contributed in touchdowns the year prior last year and a
Speaker 7: contract year lost his job to Ryan Flinoy. I think
Speaker 7: that more show more so says what Flinoy was able
Speaker 7: to do and how he's able to make that leap
Speaker 7: in a second year. But for me, at least, Tolbert
Speaker 7: was kind of more the same. He was a reliable
Speaker 7: pass catcher at times, he made a lot of really
Speaker 7: clutch receptions. For you, but I don't think the run
Speaker 7: blocking was there. I don't think the you know, the
Speaker 7: mantra last year was compete every day. I don't think
Speaker 7: that he was necessarily. I'm sure he was competing, but
Speaker 7: I just mean like he was obviously overtaken by Illinoy
Speaker 7: and probably the biggest reason why he's not here as
Speaker 7: a number four receiver because Flinoyd took that job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me start by saying, I enjoyed covering Jalen Tolbert,
Speaker 4: and he was always very good to us, and he
Speaker 4: was always somebody that was willing to talk and was
Speaker 4: very insightful when we had those conversations, and he was
Speaker 4: very open about some of the hard stuff too, especially
Speaker 4: like early in his career when he was talking about
Speaker 4: how he didn't feel like he connected enough with Dak
Speaker 4: and he wanted to be a right hand man to
Speaker 4: him and be a reliable target. And he did to
Speaker 4: a certain extent build himself into that at certain points
Speaker 4: in the year.
Speaker 1: But the consistency was a problem. I mean, he had flashes.
Speaker 4: He had one of the best catches of the twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five season on the sideline against the Packers.
Speaker 1: Late in that game.
Speaker 4: He made plays and he's capable of doing so. But
Speaker 4: the consistency was where it fell short, and it was
Speaker 4: it was one. If it wasn't one thing, it was
Speaker 4: another thing. If it wasn't the connected connection with Dak Prescott,
Speaker 4: it was a lingering injury. If it wasn't a legering injury,
Speaker 4: it was his understanding of a scheme of a play
Speaker 4: calling standpoint or a loss assignment. Or he wasn't blocking
Speaker 4: well so he wasn't getting playing time. When it gets
Speaker 4: down to that, that's where I tend to have less
Speaker 4: of a patience with a wide receiver who was a top.
Speaker 1: One hundred pick.
Speaker 4: He was picked eighty eighth overall in a time where
Speaker 4: Dallas really needed another wide receiver to step up, and
Speaker 4: they anticipated him to do that immediately. And I loved
Speaker 4: his college tape out of South Alabama. I was very
Speaker 4: much so a high proponent and a high supporter of
Speaker 4: drafting Jaylen Tolbert in the third round there, so at
Speaker 4: that point I thought he would come in and contribute,
Speaker 4: and he did, but not to the level that you
Speaker 4: would anticipate from a third round guy. And then you
Speaker 4: get a guy like Ryan Filinoy who comes out after
Speaker 4: being a later round pick and does exactly what you
Speaker 4: needed Jayaln Tolbert to do. And now he's kind of
Speaker 4: the one that overstepped him. And that's why Jaylen Tolbert
Speaker 4: is no longer a Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I didn't mean to turn this into talking Tolbert,
Speaker 7: but I think it was worth mentioning because of the
Speaker 7: contributions that he's made as a Dallas Cowboy. You've won
Speaker 7: games because of James Colbert, Like there's no out about that,
Speaker 7: that game winning uh touchdown in Pittsburgh, Like, I will
Speaker 7: big one to you for a long time. It was
Speaker 7: a big play by him. But uh yeah, moving on
Speaker 7: to some other names. I mean brock Hoffman as well.
Speaker 7: He signed with the Pittsburgh yesterday officially.
Speaker 1: Is that is that a fisial the table? I like Hoffman.
Speaker 1: I understand that, you know, obviously they want to move
Speaker 1: on from him. I trust this coaching staff because they
Speaker 1: have two offensive line coaches on this coaching staff, so
Speaker 1: it's not just one person making this decision. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that they came together and collectively said, yeah, we both
Speaker 1: feel the same way about this particular thing or his
Speaker 1: this particular shortcoming or this lack of development in this
Speaker 1: particular area, and they felt confident enough to move on
Speaker 1: from him. Losing him and Rob Jones doesn't necessarily make
Speaker 1: me feel awesome in terms of depth. Those are those
Speaker 1: are I would have liked to have retained at least
Speaker 1: one of those guys. And people will look at Rob
Speaker 1: Jones and be like, well, he never even had a
Speaker 1: chance to play here. Yeah, he got hurt early in camp, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he.
Speaker 7: Got hurt helping other like rookie linemen that that presence. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's a terrible circumstance, but he was showing out in
Speaker 7: camp to a point where I was like, I'm surprised
Speaker 7: this guy's not starting. I would be surprised if this
Speaker 7: guy is not starting in week one. Granted that the
Speaker 7: line was what it was at the time, but yeah,
Speaker 7: it's a sucky situation when he goes to a rival
Speaker 7: at that and then.
Speaker 1: Peyton Turner goes to Detroit.
Speaker 4: So those are three guys that were on the back half,
Speaker 4: and with Turner and Jones, both of the guys, those
Speaker 4: guys never really ended up playing just because of injury
Speaker 4: and what ended up happening there. But they are all
Speaker 4: off the roster. Cowboys did re sign Corey Ballentine, who
Speaker 4: came on late in the year last year, that that
Speaker 4: was really kind of their one addition or retainment in
Speaker 4: the roster this past week. Are you guys a little
Speaker 4: disappointed on the back end?
Speaker 7: Okay, maybe more than a little, Yeah, maybe more than
Speaker 7: a little.
Speaker 1: How much would you equate it to what would you
Speaker 1: equate your disappointment?
Speaker 7: You know that meme where it's like the guy that's
Speaker 7: like poking the thing with a stick, Just do something,
Speaker 7: do something.
Speaker 3: I feel like that.
Speaker 7: I have felt like that the last two weeks because
Speaker 7: you have still not addressed linebacker in any former fashion.
Speaker 7: I'm very frustrated with that. Obviously, they have a plan
Speaker 7: going into the draft, but like we've talked about here
Speaker 7: the last three episodes, it would be nice to have
Speaker 7: a veteran presence behind there, a coach on the field
Speaker 7: that is able to contribute to the linebacker room and
Speaker 7: also be a solid player at that I'm not saying,
Speaker 7: you know, it needs to be a world beat or
Speaker 7: anything like that, but you just need consistency there, and
Speaker 7: you don't have size to speak of at linebackers.
Speaker 3: So I'm just very.
Speaker 7: Confused at the approach there. But you know the Christian
Speaker 7: Parker's defense, he obviously has a plan.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 7: I don't have that ball knowledge at this point, but
Speaker 7: to me, it is just frustrating that I feel that
Speaker 7: position currently has been undervalued in free agency. I know
Speaker 7: they attempted to go get their guys, but I mean, I,
Speaker 7: along with most of the of the fans, feel like,
Speaker 7: you know, there should have been a backup plan. At
Speaker 7: least you should have at least three or four guys
Speaker 7: that you would have gone to get had the one
Speaker 7: player that went to the Raiders not worked out for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very difficult for me to foresee Dallas moving
Speaker 1: forward through this draft utilizing both first round picks now
Speaker 1: in the draft to acquire two players. With the lack
Speaker 1: of acquisitions that they've had this offseason, I can't foresee.
Speaker 1: I can't foresee them utilizing both picks and being okay
Speaker 1: with the remainder of the picks they have in this
Speaker 1: year's draft to fill the voids that are on defense.
Speaker 3: And you have one Day two pick now, I mean
Speaker 3: one one.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying, Like I was hopeful
Speaker 1: whether they are big names or just you know. I
Speaker 1: think they did a good job of feeling positional needs
Speaker 1: in terms of contributors, right. We made that. We had
Speaker 1: that conversation, right, either you're going to get big name,
Speaker 1: big spla guys or I felt like they were after
Speaker 1: like that first wave. I was like, Okay, they're no
Speaker 1: longer going to go get a big splash guy, but
Speaker 1: they're gonna get multiple guys that can contribute right consistently.
Speaker 1: And I feel like they started doing that right. You
Speaker 1: got a safety, I got a nickel, all those things. However,
Speaker 1: there are still a lot of voids that are that
Speaker 1: need to be filled, especially with the change in scheme. Defensively,
Speaker 1: those positions of need are nowhere near near field, and
Speaker 1: I can't I can see them using the first picking
Speaker 1: the in the first round that we have. Was it twelve? Yep?
Speaker 1: But was it? The next one is twenty twenty. I
Speaker 1: can't see them using one in twenty. I are twelve
Speaker 1: and twenty. I can see them using twelve.
Speaker 4: You're saying you would use it to go get you
Speaker 4: have to approve in commodity.
Speaker 1: I think that you have to trade one of the
Speaker 1: trade the twenty to go get multiple players in the
Speaker 1: second and the third. I just don't there's not a
Speaker 1: saying to acquire more, to acquire more draft you because
Speaker 1: you just don't have enough pieces. And if there are
Speaker 1: guys that you believe that you this is what I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe that they're going to try to go through
Speaker 1: this draft and whatever decisions they're going to make, right,
Speaker 1: I believe that they're going to try to feel those
Speaker 1: voids after the draft like most teams do, right, they say, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's see what our team looks like after the draft,
Speaker 1: and then let's go fill those voys. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be in that position again. I feel like I
Speaker 1: told you this. I think that mister Jones and Steven
Speaker 1: Jones are in this tug of war of mister Jones
Speaker 1: really wanted to go want in two past tense now
Speaker 1: to go grab some high, highly claim claimed guys, and
Speaker 1: then Stephen Jones kind of pulled them back and kind
Speaker 1: of pulled back to what we've always known Dallas to do,
Speaker 1: is like, let's go to the discount double check, and
Speaker 1: I feel like, there's this I want to do this.
Speaker 1: I'm no, let's go back to our old way. No,
Speaker 1: let's stay true to who we are, but we and
Speaker 1: now you find yourself in a position where it's like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you made a couple moves, but you're still looking at
Speaker 1: saying we still don't have enough guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the plan was there.
Speaker 7: I think the plan was there to go get the
Speaker 7: guys that you're talking about, the guys that that.
Speaker 3: You would think Dallas would want to.
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously the interest was there for several guys,
Speaker 7: but there wasn't that final like we're gonna make that
Speaker 7: final bid to get this guy because this is the
Speaker 7: guy that we want contributing on our defense next year.
Speaker 7: To me, I would have used free agency to kind
Speaker 7: of fill out the room. Granted, you're overpaying in a
Speaker 7: lot of positions, but I think there are guys that
Speaker 7: are contributing and not getting paid, you know, an exorbitant
Speaker 7: amount of money. I feel like you could have filled
Speaker 7: those holes enough to say, like today, if we're playing
Speaker 7: a game today.
Speaker 3: We're not playing a game today.
Speaker 7: Obviously, but it's like we have a roster we feel
Speaker 7: solidly enough about playing today if we had to, and
Speaker 7: then using the draft to get even better guys to
Speaker 7: take you over the top that didn't happen. You're now
Speaker 7: relying on the draft yet again to get those guys
Speaker 7: on the field, and you're relying on youth in a
Speaker 7: big way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think you bring up a good point
Speaker 4: talking about the plan that was there. I believe going
Speaker 4: into free agency they were willing to spend, and they
Speaker 4: spent more than they have in the past, so I
Speaker 4: give them a little bit credit. There is the high
Speaker 4: end stuff that we kind of wanted to see. No,
Speaker 4: was it the crazy moves that they wanted to make, No,
Speaker 4: it wasn't. However, I agree with you in the fact
Speaker 4: that there's kind of a fundamental breakdown somewhere in free agency.
Speaker 1: And I forgot who said it.
Speaker 4: Somebody said it the other day, and I agreed with
Speaker 4: part of what they were saying.
Speaker 1: Part of it I didn't agree with.
Speaker 4: But what I did agree with was when you haven't
Speaker 4: been in free agency, players in free agency recently, and
Speaker 4: you all of a sudden decide to go play in
Speaker 4: free agency after not doing so for the better part
Speaker 4: of a decade, there's going to be things and nuances
Speaker 4: and negotiation tactics that you aren't sharp on.
Speaker 5: And that's what ultimately happened.
Speaker 1: In my opinion.
Speaker 4: I think they did want to get involved. I think
Speaker 4: they wanted to push for all of this based on
Speaker 4: not just conversations that we had with Jerry on the
Speaker 4: bus or Steven Indianapolis, but the top to bottom, the
Speaker 4: entire organization felt like they were going to make some moves,
Speaker 4: and I think they attempted to do so, or they
Speaker 4: wanted to do so, but there's a fundamental breakdown at
Speaker 4: some point in time where they decided to make a move,
Speaker 4: but they weren't ready.
Speaker 1: To make a move, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's where I think there was a falling
Speaker 4: through the cracks. Now you added some solid names. I
Speaker 4: love the Jalen Thompson signing. I've said that already.
Speaker 1: I like what they did with Kobe Durant and with
Speaker 1: o Tito Albonna. I like those signings.
Speaker 4: Are they as good as going and getting a blue
Speaker 4: chip drusher, which they haven't done, or a starting caliber
Speaker 4: linebacker which they haven't done.
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
Speaker 4: Those are good moves that are going to make your
Speaker 4: team better in the long run, but you need other
Speaker 4: moves to supplement that outside of the draft, and they
Speaker 4: haven't done that. So that's where my disappointment lies in
Speaker 4: the off season.
Speaker 1: I look at it is a math equation to me. Right,
Speaker 1: you lost a number of starters or you know you
Speaker 1: lost Osa was a starter, Solomon was a rotational guy.
Speaker 1: Who else did we lose?
Speaker 3: But what was also starter in this defense?
Speaker 1: Right? No? I mean he probably has he would have
Speaker 1: would have because of his price. Right. But so you
Speaker 1: so you replace you swap Osa with a Rashan Gary,
Speaker 1: You acquire a Thompson who's a starter. You acquire PJ.
Speaker 1: Lock who's a starter. You acquire Kobe Durant who's a starter,
Speaker 1: and O Tito is a starter, I would imagine right now, Okay,
Speaker 1: right now, so you have four starters that you brought
Speaker 1: in on a defensive side of the ball. All good stuff,
Speaker 1: all good stuff. Okay, So now as well, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So now you go into the draft,
Speaker 1: you're gonna your your number twelve pick is gonna be
Speaker 1: another starter, okay on defense. Okay, So now that'll be
Speaker 1: how many five starters? That'd be five starters that you
Speaker 1: acquired going into this season that you did not have
Speaker 1: last season. You're gonna need I feel like you're there's
Speaker 1: so many more holes to fill right. So I'm saying
Speaker 1: like that that number twenty. I feel like as much
Speaker 1: as you can go grab another impact player, you can
Speaker 1: get one impact player, But what does your depth take
Speaker 1: a hit on? You know what I mean? I mean,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what a twentieth is worth.
Speaker 4: And that's that's where I have the same agreement with
Speaker 4: you here, because all the guys you're adding are starters.
Speaker 1: But are they blue chip starters. No they're not. They're good,
Speaker 1: solid players. So that's where you could have depth if.
Speaker 4: You end up getting those blue chip guys. You end
Speaker 4: up getting those starters that are contributors right off the bat,
Speaker 4: or veterans that know how to do it and have
Speaker 4: been there and done that and.
Speaker 1: Things of the sort.
Speaker 4: There are no more linebackers on the the NFL dot Com.
Speaker 1: Top one hundred and one free agency.
Speaker 5: Which that mays so sick, there's nothing there.
Speaker 3: It's just, yeah, that hurts me.
Speaker 1: You're in a bad spot at linebacker unless you I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: you're at a bad spot at linebacker. But like, go
Speaker 1: please just go get Bobby serious at this point, like
Speaker 1: just go go get them cite somewhere.
Speaker 7: No, No, maybe it's a situation where he's waiting till
Speaker 7: after the draft to find his value somewhere.
Speaker 1: Don't let him have the pick of the litterate. Don't
Speaker 1: let him. Don't let him. Like, seriously, you should have
Speaker 1: had him three years ago. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You should have had them three years ago. You chose
Speaker 1: not to. You just you chose to extend vander Ash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that was your choice. It was vander Ash or
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner. You you chose vander Ash. And now he's done,
Speaker 1: Bobby's still going when you're thirty seven, it's still falling.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: I think the league is waiting to see what Bobby
Speaker 4: wants to do.
Speaker 1: No, I understand, and he deserves that right. And he's
Speaker 1: going to be playing somewhere. He's gonna be starting somewhere
Speaker 1: because he's just he's still playing at that level. Like,
Speaker 1: just don't wait. Like you missed on the Lloyd, You
Speaker 1: missed on all you know, Nikobe Dean, you missed on
Speaker 1: all these other bona fide contributors and big time players.
Speaker 1: Go get a guy that's still doing it. Like, is
Speaker 1: he as young as you want?
Speaker 6: Heck?
Speaker 1: No, can he still play? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Either you know what I'm saying, Like, and even if
Speaker 4: he doesn't play as much as he has in the past,
Speaker 4: what he's going to give you is significant in its
Speaker 4: own right. With the bang for the buck, right, he's
Speaker 4: going to give you some quality snaps might I mean
Speaker 4: as many snaps as they've had in the past.
Speaker 5: He's going to give him quality. And when he's not playing, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, he is going to give you wisdom.
Speaker 4: Knowledge and wisdom and all the the IQ that you
Speaker 4: cannot teach from playing thirty seven years in the NFL,
Speaker 4: like Bobby Wager has.
Speaker 1: I've got to have that level. I just don't want
Speaker 1: it to get to after the draft and everybody's trying
Speaker 1: to make the same phone call, like I would much
Speaker 1: rather get him, right, have him, and then go get
Speaker 1: a linebacker in a draft, and now you feel good
Speaker 1: about your front seven, right, and it's like, okay, now
Speaker 1: we still need we still want to get one more
Speaker 1: or two more pass rushers. Right, they can get out
Speaker 1: of the quarterback, but at least you're not forcing things
Speaker 1: into a position, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: And I feel like like you're saying, he has the
Speaker 7: knowledge that will bring added value to the linebacker room,
Speaker 7: especially when you're going there's no doubt you're going to
Speaker 7: draft linebackers one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: You're going to do that.
Speaker 7: Why not have a guy that can teach him how
Speaker 7: to do? Like who better to learn from than a
Speaker 7: Bobby Wager?
Speaker 4: Come on, I mean, we can stand on the table
Speaker 4: as much as we want inside the podcast studio, but
Speaker 4: they al only are gonna have to want to do that.
Speaker 4: And there have been so many opportunities in the past
Speaker 4: where they could have added Bobby Waxes and they have
Speaker 4: not done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I come across your table. It's like dog
Speaker 1: gonna being at the dog on a sushi restaurant. It's like,
Speaker 1: should I get that thing on a little what do
Speaker 1: you call it? The conveyor? Bet It's not a conveyor,
Speaker 1: Betty goes by, But you had the second time sushi restaurants?
Speaker 1: Is isay?
Speaker 3: Are you going to get it wrong?
Speaker 7: How many times are you going to see him go
Speaker 7: to another team and still contribute more so than any
Speaker 7: of the linebackers you currently have in your team.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree with you, but now I'm sure
Speaker 1: that I don't know if they do.
Speaker 7: There's a big reason why the Commanders don't have him
Speaker 7: on their roster anymore. Sure, I mean he's he's he's
Speaker 7: unreliable in coverage right now. Yeah, today's Bobby Wagner doesn't
Speaker 7: do that very well.
Speaker 3: But you know what he does. He tackles and a
Speaker 3: surefire tackle.
Speaker 1: We've we've talked about this before on the show too.
Speaker 3: A need into three four kind of maybe a little bit,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: But Christian Parker has been very It's been noted by
Speaker 4: multiple people within the organization that he has a very
Speaker 4: specific idea of what he wants. He's not going to
Speaker 4: to to waiver on anything that he's doing building a roster.
Speaker 4: He is going to get what he wants. And if
Speaker 4: he doesn't want a Christian Parker made a Bobby Wagner type,
Speaker 4: then he's probably how.
Speaker 1: Many draft picks this year? This year? Yes? Eight? Seven?
Speaker 1: Seven or eight? And how many are eight now with
Speaker 1: the trade? Okay, so eight draft picks? And how many
Speaker 1: are below fourth or below fifth round? They've got four?
Speaker 1: So you got four top fours or top four yea
Speaker 1: in the top for five rounds something like that, right,
Speaker 1: four picks in the top five rounds? Yeah, yeah, well
Speaker 1: to one in the top five rounds two, one, three, four, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you've got three fives. Okay, so Christian Parker,
Speaker 1: you need to go get some more guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And of course it's like.
Speaker 1: That's not to say the guys in the draft are
Speaker 1: going to come in and play right now, but the
Speaker 1: probability is low. Like there's there's there's some teams put
Speaker 1: more emphasis on rolling the dice on draft picks than others, right,
Speaker 1: And I think what you're seeing right now is the
Speaker 1: league is really starting to change and we're seeing this
Speaker 1: within trades. There's been more trades than has ever been.
Speaker 1: Teams are starting to rest their their their they're wallets
Speaker 1: on proven players, right. It's not the discredit guys that
Speaker 1: are coming through the draft that have to prove themselves.
Speaker 1: And some guys may hit right now. Some guys may
Speaker 1: hit on their second or third team.
Speaker 3: You don't you're.
Speaker 1: Seeing you know, teams are tired of waiting, right, and
Speaker 1: some teams are more tired than others. Go get you
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, I know what he's going
Speaker 1: to do. Right. It may not be everything I want,
Speaker 1: but I know what the productive productivity I'm going to
Speaker 1: get out of him. And then I go get the
Speaker 1: guy that I hope turns into, you know, whatever it
Speaker 1: is that we project them to be. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go hope, I really go no hope and too fair.
Speaker 7: I know we're talking a lot about Wagner, but there
Speaker 7: are other guys that have been reported that the Cowboys
Speaker 7: are interested in trading for. We can't necessarily name those
Speaker 7: names right now, we can't talk about them, but I
Speaker 7: underst standing there is a plan there. They're not saying
Speaker 7: like we're not going to address itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think there was a plan agency too that was
Speaker 4: Plan A, this Plan B, and this is kind of
Speaker 4: what they're happening, or it might even be C or
Speaker 4: do you who knows?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: They have a plan moving forward, but we just got
Speaker 4: to find a way to make that happen, and whether
Speaker 4: or not they're willing to part with some of these
Speaker 4: draft picks to do so. I do want to talk
Speaker 4: about the NFL Draft, and when we come back, I've
Speaker 4: got a question about trades post draft and how that
Speaker 4: may have influenced the way that the Cowboys attacked this
Speaker 4: free agency and whether or not you guys agree with
Speaker 4: that or not. More talking Cowboys and Draft discussion right
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Speaker 1: Now you know I have a beef, Kyle. I know
Speaker 1: you did a beef. I know my fellow teammates up here.
Speaker 1: You guys keep your eye on the chat during the show,
Speaker 1: talking talking cowboys. Yeah, talking cowboys nation our fanly. We
Speaker 1: love you guys, Yeah, we love you guys. I just
Speaker 1: don't partake in the chat during the show. But these guys,
Speaker 1: they they kind of pass a little birdie, play a
Speaker 1: little game of telephone. Uh. And I was told that
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner conversations were erroneous.
Speaker 3: Nonsense, nonsense.
Speaker 1: I want people at home to understand. Yes, the NFL
Speaker 1: will tell you oftentimes that you're old. The NFL will
Speaker 1: tell you oftentimes that you're washed up. NFL will tell
Speaker 1: you oftentimes that you don't have any more to give.
Speaker 1: There are some outliers. I'm not sure if people a
Speaker 1: lot of times when they tell you that they're probably right,
Speaker 1: they're probably right. But there's certain guys that gotta come
Speaker 1: along that really don't know along with that. Bobby Wagner
Speaker 1: is one of them. Bobby Wagner in his fourteenth season.
Speaker 3: Fourteen at linebacker that seems like a lot.
Speaker 1: At linebacker, interior linebacker, fourteenth season for the Washington Commanders
Speaker 1: last year, played all seventeen games. Availability is kind of important, right,
Speaker 1: Best ability is availability seventeen games as a linebacker somebody
Speaker 1: who's responsible for hitting people and placed fifth overall in
Speaker 1: the NFL and tackles in.
Speaker 3: The NFL like all.
Speaker 1: The players, I mean, even the guys that are like
Speaker 1: rookies and like fourteen years younger, fourteen years less wearing
Speaker 1: tear fifth. So when you guys are questioning whether or
Speaker 1: not this is somebody that the Dallas Cowboys should be considering,
Speaker 1: you might want to just check the rap sheet aka
Speaker 1: no ian, But the check the rap sheet, because this
Speaker 1: duke is still a ball, and if you got one
Speaker 1: year out of him with half of that productivity, you're winning, yes,
Speaker 1: Because what I'm saying is you can spend a twelve
Speaker 1: on a linebacker that you consider to be a sure
Speaker 1: thing that was a dog in college. You can spend
Speaker 1: a twenty on that. But below that, no disrespect, you're
Speaker 1: probably hoping and rolling the dice that that person's gonna
Speaker 1: hit right, No disrespect to all the other draft picks,
Speaker 1: especially in this year's draft where it's pretty deep, right,
Speaker 1: You're you're kind of questioning whether or not that person
Speaker 1: can come in and be that guy. Some guys can,
Speaker 1: some guys can't. Why have that question mark when you
Speaker 1: can for sure get somebody who is a great person
Speaker 1: right at, a great contributor in a community, great locker
Speaker 1: room guy, and a great contributor on the field, And
Speaker 1: it's gonna hit you for the It's gonna hit you
Speaker 1: for the lo.
Speaker 4: Low yeah, lower than you would get a younger cat
Speaker 4: that does all that stuff, all the same stuff. Now,
Speaker 4: just to be completely fair, the same person that did
Speaker 4: call it nonsense in the chat did reply and said,
Speaker 4: if I'm Bobby, I want a chance before retirement to win,
Speaker 4: not come to this type of situation, and he used it.
Speaker 1: You can say that about every squad, like genuinely, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, have they done anything in the past that
Speaker 1: make you feel good about them going towards next year's
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. No, but you can't. You can't say that
Speaker 1: for sure thing about any of these teams around the league.
Speaker 1: Teams are turning over their rosters left and right. We
Speaker 1: had more coaching in vacancies than than we've had in
Speaker 1: last fifteen years. Like, there's gonna be teams that pop
Speaker 1: up that are going to be contribute, you know, gonna
Speaker 1: be competitors and real you know, real conversation in terms
Speaker 1: of the playoffs that that weren't there last year. So
Speaker 1: to make that statement is it's kind of like saying,
Speaker 1: you know, peanut butter and jelly go together.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the Seattle situation makes it a lot
Speaker 7: more different. I mean, they turn their team around in
Speaker 7: one year. Yeah, in one year. You're telling me that
Speaker 7: a lot of teams don't think they can do that.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: They also drafted really well, absolutely, or look at the Patriots.
Speaker 3: Look at the Patriots and what do we know from
Speaker 3: the draft show teams at drafting?
Speaker 1: Yeah dude, yeah, yeah, Patriots worth that three and fourteen
Speaker 1: or whatever it was to the Super Bowl. Like come on, man,
Speaker 1: like stuff changes in a year. So like that's erroneous
Speaker 1: to make this no disrespect. Yeah, let's go into the
Speaker 1: draft a little bit here.
Speaker 4: Cowboys did have some guys out on the draft trail yesterday.
Speaker 4: These are all reports, some of them confirmed by cameras.
Speaker 5: On site, others others not camera.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Schottenheimer, Christian Parker, Will McClay, we're all at the
Speaker 4: Miami Pro day yesterday with some of the notable products there.
Speaker 4: Of course Ruben Bain, who's on the draft cover Draft
Speaker 4: Guide cover right there, mister Baine, a key messidor another
Speaker 4: edge rusher from there.
Speaker 1: You think that they help linebackers. You think they drove
Speaker 1: to Miami. I'm just wondering. No, no, no commercial, noj Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I was waiting those TSA lines coming.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're skipping that.
Speaker 4: They're going right to the tarmac, big dog the Uh.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Kyante Scott another late round secondary player that
Speaker 4: I really like, is from Miami, and there's a there's
Speaker 4: a lot of really good talent there. So they were
Speaker 4: out there yesterday. Not the only place that the Cowboys
Speaker 4: have been. If you really want to keep up the
Speaker 4: day with all the reports on where Pep Will have been, uh,
Speaker 4: I encourage you to follow Nick Harris and Tommy Yurs.
Speaker 4: Those are kind of the two guys that are on
Speaker 4: the pro day trail at the moment. Tommy is actually
Speaker 4: at Texas Pro Day right now.
Speaker 1: He drives. He did drive, no PJ.
Speaker 4: He did not get Sorry, Tommy, get your butt down
Speaker 4: to Austin.
Speaker 1: He went to school there. You're fine. Yeah, you may
Speaker 1: have this.
Speaker 3: Khaki's all the way down.
Speaker 4: Speaking of walking uh down down I thirty five. Linda Wells,
Speaker 4: I don't think he'd I don't think he had the
Speaker 4: private jet either. Linda, the tight ends coach, was reported
Speaker 4: to have dinner with some of the Baylor draft prospects,
Speaker 4: including tight end Michael Trigg the quarterback, saw your Robertson
Speaker 4: and then Josh Robertson the wide receiver or Josh Cameron
Speaker 4: Cameron the wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I like to mention that from Baylor probably one of
Speaker 1: the best offseason retainments. I don't want to say acquisitions
Speaker 1: that we had.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we getting Lunda a lot of love on
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 1: Ye dub almost left, he was on was gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he almost joined the McCarthy era out there, like seriously,
Speaker 1: like that that wasn't his only possibility either. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure he had options. Oh he did, and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure he chose to stay here. So Cowboys Nation,
Speaker 1: whatever happens on the back And because we're not we're
Speaker 1: not heavy to those conversations or negotiations like give a
Speaker 1: give a nice little handclap to the to the front
Speaker 1: office for finding a way to retain him, because to
Speaker 1: keep to stay as a tight ends coach when you
Speaker 1: had offensive coordinator presented to you, m something happened to
Speaker 1: keep him here. I'll just say that and yeah, kudos.
Speaker 1: I wonder what that could mean. Uh.
Speaker 4: I want to continue with with draft stuff here though,
Speaker 4: because based on our conversation in the first segment, I
Speaker 4: feel like all three of us sit here and we
Speaker 4: say best player available is always the goal.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the NFL draft.
Speaker 4: Nope, you want to take the you want to take
Speaker 4: the best player available. However, when you have holes on
Speaker 4: your defense, you are limited in what the best player
Speaker 4: available pool looks like. You can't just pluck from the pool.
Speaker 1: When you have to pick a specific type of fish,
Speaker 1: you have to you have to.
Speaker 4: So you're still going to see probably the best defensive
Speaker 4: player on the board and where they would fit are
Speaker 4: there any limitations based on your mindset of where they
Speaker 4: can and cannot go with the twelfth and twenty picks
Speaker 4: in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Draft limitations, Yes, I would say you do not need
Speaker 1: to grab an interior defensive lineman with those with the
Speaker 1: first round picks. Don't don't grab it for you know,
Speaker 1: you know how I feel about my interior D lineman.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that you need to. I think
Speaker 1: that you have your two dogs. We'll see what Otito provides,
Speaker 1: but you have two true proven dogs on the anterior
Speaker 1: D line. You have other needs that you can use
Speaker 1: those picks work. So I would not feel great if
Speaker 1: they went out and grabbed an interior D lineman at
Speaker 1: that pick. Would you know I would still be okay
Speaker 1: with it? But I was like, ah, you could use
Speaker 1: that to a linem. I could use that the grab
Speaker 1: a dominant corner, use that you grab a D N like.
Speaker 1: I think those are the three positions that I would
Speaker 1: feel better about than interior D line.
Speaker 4: Would you be cool making a move for a defensive
Speaker 4: tackle at ninety two with that pick you got for Mosa,
Speaker 4: kind of replace it with another defensive tackle that fits
Speaker 4: your scheme better.
Speaker 1: No, Okay, no, I I want depth. I want depth,
Speaker 1: but not with those picks.
Speaker 3: Okay, I would be entirely fine with it. Honestly.
Speaker 7: One of the arguments that we had last year when
Speaker 7: we're arguing about edge rusher versus defensive.
Speaker 1: Tackle, your strength is super strength.
Speaker 3: Make your strength the super strength.
Speaker 7: And the fact that you weren't able to extend Kenny
Speaker 7: Clark or my goodness, Quentinn Williams this offseason, I think
Speaker 7: is part of my philosophy there where it's like, you
Speaker 7: don't know how much longer you have these guys, if
Speaker 7: they're going to be here past next year, So, in
Speaker 7: my opinion, like beef that up as much as you
Speaker 7: possibly can and make it the dominant.
Speaker 3: Force that it needs to be.
Speaker 7: Ipically all all, for all intents and purposes, we've from
Speaker 7: what we've learned about Christie Parker's defense so far and
Speaker 7: all of the moves that they've made, you're not gonna
Speaker 7: be able.
Speaker 3: To run the ball in this team.
Speaker 7: So to me, make it even more of a of
Speaker 7: a competition there at defensive tackle. But uh, oh, Tito,
Speaker 7: considering he's more of a deaf guy. Now, if you
Speaker 7: draft a guy higher, yeah, make that that strength even more.
Speaker 1: Uh, I would typically agree with you on almost probably
Speaker 1: ninety plus. But because there are actual holes like there,
Speaker 1: I get it. There are not guys currently on this
Speaker 1: roster that I feel comfortable and confident with feeling some
Speaker 1: of these voids with this new system. And though he
Speaker 1: said we're gonna be versatile, we're gonna be We're gonna
Speaker 1: be multiple in the looks. And you want kind of
Speaker 1: Swiss army knives guys that could play multiple positions on
Speaker 1: this defense. You want an outside linebacker that could play
Speaker 1: you know, they could play you know, out, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know safety, and safety that could play corner.
Speaker 1: Like you want guys that are kind of multiple, I want.
Speaker 1: I want guys that can give some flex And if
Speaker 1: you're playing an interior DEFENSI alignment, you're just playing interior
Speaker 1: defense alignment.
Speaker 7: I think you have the luxury of doing that with
Speaker 7: two first round picks. If you decide to use both
Speaker 7: of those first round picks, I think you're able to
Speaker 7: take the best player available, regardless of the position.
Speaker 3: Maybe not quarterback, maybe not sure.
Speaker 1: So you would be okay using a first round pick
Speaker 1: on a backup, A backup. What that's what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: if you grab an interior defensilignment, they're a backup.
Speaker 4: If you're grabbing an offensive player, with the exception of
Speaker 4: maybe running back, it would maybe be a backup.
Speaker 3: Guys, I'm talking defense here, Yeah, I'm talking.
Speaker 7: So that's play's defensive player available.
Speaker 4: I thought not sit here, and over the course of
Speaker 4: me covering the draft for this organization, multiple times we've
Speaker 4: said they have no choice but to take defense only
Speaker 4: in the first round, in the first three rounds, and
Speaker 4: then take offensive players in the first round. I can't
Speaker 4: sit here and say that it's off the table for
Speaker 4: Dallas entirely.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 4: They could upgrade their offensive tackle spot if the right
Speaker 4: guy is there.
Speaker 1: They could add to wide receiver if.
Speaker 4: They don't feel confident that George Pickens is gonna stick around.
Speaker 4: They could add Jeremiah Love at the running back spot.
Speaker 4: Maybe not at twelve, but at twenty if he's there, Holy.
Speaker 1: Cow, would that be fun. Grab a kicker.
Speaker 4: I'm just now, I'm just saying, like, as much as
Speaker 4: we sit here and we're gonna pigeonhole defense all the
Speaker 4: way through, and I completely agree, Yeah, we cannot take
Speaker 4: it off the table.
Speaker 1: No, it's not off the table. It's just on the edge.
Speaker 1: It's just light bump is knocking it off. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: just like that, just like that, like that. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I'm it's.
Speaker 3: Like season to broccoli. It's it's over there there, it's there.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna be like on seasoned broccoli, unseasoned dude, what
Speaker 7: are you doing?
Speaker 1: Hold cold brocky?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't do it, extra pepper on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, we got to take our second break.
Speaker 4: When we come back. I'm gonna play a little game
Speaker 4: with these guys. How about blind resumes for NFL draft prospects.
Speaker 4: Close your eyes and just imagine what they would fit
Speaker 4: like in this down defense when we come back with
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Speaker 1: From the NF. Let's freaking go, Kyle. I know, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Whoo exciting. This is the best.
Speaker 4: Lead in in the NFL calendar for me other than
Speaker 4: training camp.
Speaker 1: I do love training camp. The last time the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had two first round picks two thousand and eight, I think, no, wow,
Speaker 1: it's been a while.
Speaker 4: I shouldn't know that off the top of my head,
Speaker 4: but I don't. All right, blind resumes. These are NFL
Speaker 4: draft prospects that right now on my list are very
Speaker 4: close in terms of rankings, maybe not draft grade, but rankings.
Speaker 4: They're what we call touching tag, and they're different types
Speaker 4: of players. So I want you to tell me what's
Speaker 4: going to fit. Without talking about the name of the
Speaker 4: prospector of the school, or what they went through or
Speaker 4: did from a conference standpoint or anything like that. This
Speaker 4: is just measurements and some tiny traits to think about
Speaker 4: and what they would fit in Christian Parker's defense. So
Speaker 4: start at linebacker, and we're trying to get through maybe
Speaker 4: two positions here. The first linebacker is six foot one
Speaker 4: two and thirty pounds and he's twenty one years old.
Speaker 1: Got it all.
Speaker 4: He had eight tackles for loss three and a half
Speaker 4: sacks eighty eight tackles in thirteen games against premium competition.
Speaker 4: He did not test during the Combine or his pro
Speaker 4: day because he had some knee swelling and he did
Speaker 4: not want to inflammatory that, but he did go through drills.
Speaker 4: He is listed as a green dot potential immediately and
Speaker 4: can call the plays on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Feel pretty good about it. That are cool?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Green dots potential. The other linebacker, linebacker number two,
Speaker 4: is six foot two, two forty pounds, so a little
Speaker 4: bit bigger, a little bit taller than the last linebacker.
Speaker 4: He is also twenty one years old. He did test.
Speaker 4: He went four to five one in the forty. He
Speaker 4: had a thirty seven inch vertical that's ten and a
Speaker 4: half inch broad downhill runner, but a tendency.
Speaker 1: To over sell when he runs downhill and he attacks.
Speaker 3: You already got one of those.
Speaker 1: You got a couple of those.
Speaker 3: You got a couple of those.
Speaker 4: But those are your two options, linebacker one and the
Speaker 4: linebacker two. If you have any questions, I will clarify,
Speaker 4: but I will not give hints.
Speaker 1: Speak through that one more time, okay, c J, I
Speaker 1: let's breaking go. Well, I'll do it.
Speaker 3: For knocking goal.
Speaker 5: See that I was in his mind.
Speaker 3: Not blind anymore.
Speaker 1: Well darned. Yeah, we're so disappointing.
Speaker 5: I went through so much this you did to make
Speaker 5: this happen.
Speaker 1: I was leaning towards number two? Were you I was?
Speaker 3: I was going number one. I don't want the green dot.
Speaker 1: You want the green dot potential.
Speaker 3: I want the green dot potential.
Speaker 4: They don't necessarily tab the second linebacker as a green
Speaker 4: dot potential.
Speaker 1: But yes, J Allen is number one. That is a linebacker.
Speaker 5: I'll give you the linebacker too. I'll say six dogs,
Speaker 5: six foot two two and forty.
Speaker 4: Pounds, twenty one years old. Do you have any guesses?
Speaker 4: I know you've listened to the draft show a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that Rodriguez.
Speaker 1: It is not right. He was another one. I was
Speaker 1: thinking about putting in this organiza.
Speaker 4: Or putting in this, but I decided c J. Allen
Speaker 4: and Rodriguez from like a testing and a side standpoint.
Speaker 1: Are actually very comparable.
Speaker 3: Is that the LSU guy?
Speaker 4: No, it is not the LSU guy. Okay, it is
Speaker 4: Anthony Hill Junior out of Texas. That is the tomic
Speaker 4: and linebacker picked the second he probably would have.
Speaker 1: But which one you would have leaned to. I would
Speaker 1: have leaned to. Like, over aggressiveness doesn't bother me because
Speaker 1: the only thing that you need for that is.
Speaker 3: Great coaching discipline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you, it's hard to get somebody to turn
Speaker 1: that switch on if they don't have that switch. I'd
Speaker 1: rather them have that switch and be able to pull
Speaker 1: them back and say, hey, let the game come, do
Speaker 1: you You know I'm saying, pick and choose your battles.
Speaker 1: But like, if somebody does not have not to say that.
Speaker 1: Most linebackers don't. But if you don't have that trigger,
Speaker 1: you can't just copy and paste that into somebody's you know,
Speaker 1: freaking genealogy.
Speaker 3: It's not there one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: But one of the things that I've kind of pulled
Speaker 7: at least from the combine, one of the things that
Speaker 7: they kept kind of repeating over and over, especially the
Speaker 7: Christian Parker side of things, was brain works and to me,
Speaker 7: that green Dot aspect, the fact that he was such
Speaker 7: a cerebral player, to me is indication of where the
Speaker 7: Cowboys would lean. And honestly, that was just a preference
Speaker 7: for me to begin with.
Speaker 4: And there was a comment in the chat that I
Speaker 4: kind of want to clarify a little bit here, Sonny
Speaker 4: wants to said so Kyle, Christian Parker saying that after
Speaker 4: the scheme or altering the scheme to your players was
Speaker 4: just blowing smunk because he wants a specific type and
Speaker 4: I said that in the last segment. He really wants
Speaker 4: a specific type, specific type of player, not necessarily a
Speaker 4: specific type of build.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, he wants the serementally, he wants the work ethic,
Speaker 4: he wants all of that stuff. He's not going to
Speaker 4: mess around with anything other than that. From a system
Speaker 4: and an ex's and O standpoint, I think he is
Speaker 4: going to mold to whatever they end up getting. Even
Speaker 4: though a three to four is different. You're going to
Speaker 4: have to find certain guys to fit into that three
Speaker 4: four system here in year one because you've never really
Speaker 4: run that in the past. So that's where that's where
Speaker 4: we're kind of basing the measurements off of compared to
Speaker 4: the type of player that Christian Parker would want across
Speaker 4: the board.
Speaker 5: All right, let's go to corner and I'm going to
Speaker 5: try not to mess this one up.
Speaker 1: This timmer right right.
Speaker 4: All right, Corner number one, six foot, one hundred and
Speaker 4: ninety three pounds. He does have long arms or longer arms,
Speaker 4: I should say, thirty one and three eighths across the board.
Speaker 4: Ran a four four four forty yard dash in the
Speaker 4: NFL Combine, and he had a forty and a half vertical.
Speaker 4: He's a ten and a half inch broad jump, and
Speaker 4: he plays with kind of the physicality of a box safety.
Speaker 1: It's at corner like that. I knew as soon as
Speaker 1: you say he was six foot, I knew he had.
Speaker 4: To have he had to have some of those things
Speaker 4: across the board. So that's corner number one, corner number two.
Speaker 4: He is a little bit smaller, five foot eleven one
Speaker 4: and eighty six pounds. He did not run, but he
Speaker 4: did the jumps. He did thirty four inch vertical, ten
Speaker 4: to three broad jump. He did bench as well. He
Speaker 4: had seventeen reps on the bench across the board. Comes
Speaker 4: from some good bloodlines at the position, and he has
Speaker 4: a blend of athleticism inside to play size, to play
Speaker 4: inside or outside, and he did play both inside and
Speaker 4: outside during his time.
Speaker 7: One would you argue the second one is undersized in
Speaker 7: general or kind of the h what you already have currently.
Speaker 4: Like what you already have in terms of boundary corners. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would probably probably put him in the same category.
Speaker 4: I would play him a nickel and I would love it, okay,
Speaker 4: and I think he would be an awesome nickel.
Speaker 3: Would you argue you already got your nickel.
Speaker 1: In Jalen Thompson.
Speaker 4: No, oh, in Kobe Durant, Yes, similar type of player,
Speaker 4: but this guy says.
Speaker 1: More of a dog.
Speaker 3: Give me option one.
Speaker 1: Option one. Yes, that is Colton Hood out of Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Colton Hood thought.
Speaker 4: To be maybe more of an option at twenty than
Speaker 4: he would be at twelve. Yes, but still a very
Speaker 4: viable cornerback option. Let's say you miss out on Monsor
Speaker 4: de Laine at twelve, who's probably high and above the
Speaker 4: number one corner in the NFL draft. If you miss
Speaker 4: out on him at twelve and you miss it, let's
Speaker 4: say you don't want to go with your mom McCoy.
Speaker 4: Who's the other Tennessee corner who's coming off of an injury,
Speaker 4: hasn't played in a year, that kind of thing. Then
Speaker 4: twenty could be where you take your corners, and that's
Speaker 4: where Colton Hood. And then number two is x Avion
Speaker 4: Terrell from Clemson, who I really do like and I
Speaker 4: think he would be a phenomenal nickel and if you
Speaker 4: need it him to go outside, I think he's Deron
Speaker 4: Bland two point zero. That's who I think he and
Speaker 4: I think he's more polished coming out of school.
Speaker 1: Than versatility guys. They can play safety and cover. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what I believe that Christian Parker is going for,
Speaker 1: because you want to be multiples. You want to be
Speaker 1: able to have three safeties in the back. You want
Speaker 1: to be able to have you know, your nickel, your dime,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, no matter what the offense puts
Speaker 1: out there. We have a guy that can cover you,
Speaker 1: and we have a guy that can come up and hit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So a couple of different options for you? Which one
Speaker 1: we're watching one?
Speaker 4: You were leaning toward one, you were also leaning toward one. Okay,
Speaker 4: there you go.
Speaker 1: Well what about you? What would what would your I
Speaker 1: have Colton Hood ranked higher.
Speaker 3: Do you think he's going to be there twenty though?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I think so. I think you would. I
Speaker 1: have them touching tags.
Speaker 4: Colton Hood is my corner four, uh and Terrell is
Speaker 4: my corner five okay, behind Delanne McCoy, and then I
Speaker 4: have Brandon CSA at three. I think I might flip Hood,
Speaker 4: depending on I want to watch a little bit more
Speaker 4: tape of these guys, but I might flipped the two.
Speaker 1: But I have I have c say above Hood in Terrell. Nice.
Speaker 3: Thank you Kyle. I like that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah we may let's keep doing with that. Yeah as
Speaker 1: we give along.
Speaker 5: That does it for us here on Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Hope to have Patrick back next week. Once again, well
Speaker 4: wishes to our guys. He is probably out of surgery
Speaker 4: by now, I would hope, but uh, we'll hope to
Speaker 4: have him back very very soon.
Speaker 5: For Patrick, No see Walker, who's not here?
Speaker 4: Josh Rodriguez, we get for Isaiah stand back Chris Beam
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