1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on normally the show with 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: normal it takes or when the news gets weird. I'm 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Mary Catherine Ham. 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Marco. It's him, Mary Catherine. How is 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: your weekend? 6 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Weekend was good and my week will not be so 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: good because we're doing a potty training and intensive over here. 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: So I won't get into details, but there's a lot 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: of work on us this week. 10 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: Nice. Yeah, I don't miss those days. I have to 11 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: tell you. 12 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: People are like, oh, you're going to miss stuff when 13 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: it's gone. 14 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: I miss some things, but I don't miss that. 15 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 2: I don't miss like having different sized bottles all over the. 16 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 4: Place, A lot of things I could live without. 17 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, this is definitely one of them. This transition 18 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: is the one that is u It's not a delight, 19 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: but we're going to make it through. Yeah, we're having 20 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: to have success. 21 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: So let's speaking of babies exactly. 22 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: So there's a new meme craze on the internet, and Carol, 23 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: you probably have this too. But I have to bring 24 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: my husband up to speed on memes. 25 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: I had to bring my husband up to speed on everything. 26 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: A few days ago. My husband was like, wait, what 27 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: are the dancing Israelis from the like nine to eleven 28 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: Conspiracies and like, you're a little late on this. 29 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's a funny thing when you have an 30 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: offline mostly offline normally husband. Normally husband is that you know, 31 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: he knows politics. He's sort of generally clued in and smart. 32 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: But there are things on the Internet that get so 33 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: far away by the time I'm explaining to them to 34 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: him that they get it's just a little off the rails. 35 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: And this week there's one of them, which is the 36 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: meaning of jd Vance. Jd Vance, the Vice President of 37 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: the United States of America, is now being turned into 38 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: everything under the sun thanks to AI and photoshop on 39 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: the interwebs, and The Atlantic has written about it, which, 40 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: on one hand, I find helpful because I did not 41 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: know where this started, and I was like, it's fun. 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: It's fun. We're making him into Star Wars characters and 43 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: garbage pale kids and Willy Wonka extras. But I don't 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: know where it started. So it turns out The Atlantic 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: reports that this started in October when a user on 46 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: x posted an image of Vance captioned for every one 47 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: hundred likes, I will turn jd Vance into a progressively 48 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: apple cheeked baby but baby faced. Vance has gone fully 49 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: viral since last week after the clash in the Oval 50 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: office with Zelensky and Trump. So and then they have 51 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: phrases over them like you have to say please and 52 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: Tank you miss to Zinski, so they give him a 53 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: funny voice. Okay. The Atlantic writer says, of course, people 54 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: love making memes that portray their political adversaries as hapless 55 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: and incompetent. That's not exactly what's happening with these images 56 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: of Vance. The memes are going viral on the left 57 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: wing internet, but they are equally, if not more, popular 58 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: on the right, explicitly pro Trump accounts on x that 59 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: otherwise spend their time bashing liberals or posting embarrassing memes 60 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: of their parties second in command. The headline of this 61 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: piece is, wait, who's posting these unflattering JD. Vance memes? 62 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: The online wrote, right is trolling one. 63 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: Of its own, right, What they yeah, go ahead, you. 64 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: Can diagnose it if you would like. 65 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: Can we all join it? 66 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: They don't get is that we're able to laugh at ourselves, 67 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: and they don't understand that because they are so used 68 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: to only laughing at us and never at themselves, and 69 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: when Saturday Night Live or late night comedian makes fun 70 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: of the left, they don't appreciate it at all. Meanwhile, 71 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 2: Orange Man Bad became something that people on the right 72 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: say because it's funny and it's okay. 73 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: To laugh at yourself. 74 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we we are used to being trolled constantly, right, 75 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: that's part of our day to day life. That's why 76 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: I can enjoy art that's created by people I don't 77 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: agree with, because it happens all the time. I have 78 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: a lot of practice, that's right. The other thing I 79 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: think they're missing, and I think it was Michael Duncan 80 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: who who posted this making fun of each other is 81 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: dudes rock one oh one totally. 82 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is and it's why you and I get 83 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: along well with men, because who like to make fun 84 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: of everything and each other and ourselves and all of it. 85 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: And so I think this is yet another example of 86 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: the left illustrating why it's not reaching men. Yeah, because 87 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: I've been enjoying this JD Fance thing so much good. Yeah, 88 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: and it's it's so fun to see what people turn 89 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: him into. 90 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: And he's enjoying it, and that is. 91 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: The other part. He's enjoying it, and he I gotta say, 92 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: I got to give him props on this. Usually when 93 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: a politician tries to join in on a trend or 94 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: a meme fest, it doesn't go that well. They're usually behind, right, 95 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: they're usually cringe, they're usually not tonally correct, because there's 96 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: a lot of as dumb as the Internet is, there's 97 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: a lot of nuance in what these things mean and why, 98 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: and which is why it's hard to bring your normal 99 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: husband up to speed on memes. 100 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: Right. 101 00:04:54,040 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: But jd Vance, as part of this, posts himself as 102 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio in the Tarantino film Once Upon a Time 103 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, because there is a famous meme of Leonardo 104 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: DiCaprio's character in this, pointing at the TV, acknowledging like, 105 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: oh no, I know what that is. 106 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: Right, it's like a meme within a meme. 107 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: It's a meme within a meme. 108 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, it perfectly deployed, perfect tone, right, funny, clever and 109 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 5: joined in perfectly with the whole thing, thereby gaining respect 110 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 5: because he's illustrating that he's fine with being made fun of, 111 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 5: and he's seeing all of it and enjoying it. 112 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: It's great and so anchy comedy is the callback, right, 113 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 2: Like so many stand up comedians will start with something 114 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: and then like at the end of their act like 115 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: callback to that. 116 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: The meme within the meme is exactly that, and it's 117 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: it's so good. You're absolutely right. 118 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 4: It's what the left is lacking. They are lacking a 119 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: lightness right now, and. 120 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: I think they did it to themselves. 121 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: We talk about a lot that they don't get negative press, 122 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: so they don't know how to react to press that 123 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: is negative. They don't get difficult interviews, so they don't 124 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: know how to handle, you know, even slightly difficult interviews. 125 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 4: Kamala Harris just collapsed. 126 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: In any interview because she was unable to deal with 127 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: any conflict or any pushback at all. This is the 128 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 2: same thing in humor format. 129 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 6: There. 130 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 4: They don't know what to do with themselves because they're 131 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 4: not a part of it. 132 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is their their inability to sort 133 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: of goof and the misunderstanding of the idea of I mean, 134 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: there's there's been an old meme that is the left 135 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: camp meme. Yes, and it does appear that they are 136 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: having some trouble with that, especially if you consider the 137 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: pretty cringe videos from Democrats of the past week, including 138 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: the CHOOSU Fighter. 139 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: The day. 140 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, the dancing the Doloro Rose Doloro, who's an older 141 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: liberal congresswoman on the Hill who has purple hair, and 142 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: it's very funny shed around doing gen Z slang on 143 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: the Hill. It was cringe and this was not. And 144 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it's just because I am more favorable 145 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: to jd Vance than Rose Doloro. I think it's because 146 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: he got it right. He got it And if you 147 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: do not understand the concept of excuse me, busting balls, 148 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: you will not be reaching mail voters. Yeah. 149 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely, they love that. They are all about that. I mean, 150 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: I think all male on mail interaction is just like 151 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: poking fun at each other and that's how they connect. 152 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: And to the extent that my normy husband does understand memes, 153 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: it's because he sends them back and forth between between 154 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: friends on like a real people text chain, as opposed 155 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: to the fake people I talked to on the Internet. 156 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: And I have to say, as a mom, I also 157 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: stress to my kids that they have to be able 158 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: to laugh at themselves and if somebody makes fun of you, 159 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: it's almost always better to lean into it and make 160 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: fun of yourself too, rather than like, go tell the 161 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: teacher about it. 162 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 3: That is never work. You want to be the. 163 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: Kind of person who can laugh at themselves, laugh it off, 164 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: move on with your life. 165 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: Life lessons from my father, by the way, because when 166 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: I had these giant teeth, when they grew in, grew 167 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: in at about like a forty five degree angle to 168 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: the ground, it was very tragic. No one could take 169 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: me serious and teeth. Thank there was no way I 170 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be made fun of. And my father 171 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: understood this. And I grew up with two brothers, so 172 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: like I was gonna get made fun of in the 173 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: house regardless. But my father, my father would always say, hey, 174 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: look on the bright side, you can eat corn on 175 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: the cop through a picket fence. And so various, mister ham, 176 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: various barbs of this nature prepared me for what I 177 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: would endure in public school. And yeah, it is important 178 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: just to understand that, you know, you gotta you can 179 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: stick up for yourself by laughing at yourself. 180 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: Right, we all have mockable things about us. It's okay, 181 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: let's lean into it and not. 182 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: Take it too serious. 183 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm not scarred. 184 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: Fine, we're going to take a short break and come 185 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: right back with normally. 186 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: What's up next in the news. 187 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: Well, this is also on the culture side. But the 188 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom Charlie Kirk interview has been circulating and has 189 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: been just kind of a big story because Gavin Newsom 190 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: seems able to do that lightness thing. I am very 191 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: worried about a Gavin Newsome future. I think that you know, 192 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: he is able to present himself as a moderate even 193 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: though he is far far left and things that he does, 194 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,599 Speaker 2: like I didn't think that Governor Ron DeSantis should have 195 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: debated Gavin Newsom last year. Even though I thought that 196 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: DeSantis won, I thought it was still better for Newsome 197 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 2: because he got to kind of show himself off to 198 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: the country at a time where a different Democrat was 199 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: running for president, kind of keep his name at the 200 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: top of people's mind, and to really get to spar 201 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: and do the thing that you and I say that 202 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: they don't do, which is take criticism, learn how to 203 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 2: fight back, formulate the arguments. 204 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 3: And he did that here with Charlie Kirk. 205 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 4: We're going to play the clip that has mostly gone viral. 206 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: Here we go. 207 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 7: You right now should come out and be like you 208 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 7: know what, the young man who's about to win the 209 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 7: state championship in the long jump in female sports, that 210 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 7: shouldn't happen. You as the governor, should step out and 211 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 7: say no, no, And I appreciate and like, would you 212 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 7: do something like that, would you say no men in 213 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 7: female sports? 214 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 8: Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely 215 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 8: agree with you on that. It is an issue affairs. 216 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 7: So it's deeply Would you speak out against this young man, 217 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 7: baby Hernandez, who right now is going to win the 218 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 7: state championship in the long time, I can see you 219 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 7: wrestling with it. 220 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 3: No, I'm not wrestling. 221 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 8: I'm not relection with the fairness issue. I totally agree 222 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 8: with you. By the way, as someone with four kids. 223 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 8: You got two daughters, right, two daughters I had, and 224 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 8: a wife that went god forbid to Stanford and played 225 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 8: on the junior national soccer team, and a guy who 226 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 8: got into college only because I was left handed and 227 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 8: could throw baseball a little bit or hit the ball 228 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 8: for a little bit. So I revere sports and so 229 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 8: the issue of fairness is completely legit. And I saw 230 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 8: that the last couple of years. Boy did I saw 231 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 8: how you guys were able to weaponize that. 232 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 7: Issue at another weaponize, don't that's. 233 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 8: Well, weabinize maybe pejoriti of you're right, but you were 234 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 8: able to shine a light on highlight it in a 235 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 8: way that frankly, there are not that many we're talking about. 236 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 8: I think N two A what five hundred and ten thousand? No, No, 237 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 8: but I just didn't realize. 238 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 7: It's eight hundred and ninety medals and trophies that we 239 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 7: know of in the last five years. 240 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 5: That's a lot. 241 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 8: No, So I'm gonna let me step back say completely 242 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 8: fair on the issue of fairness, I completely agree. So 243 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 8: that's easy to call out the unfairness of that. There's 244 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 8: also a humility and a grace. You know that that 245 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 8: these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have 246 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 8: anxiety and depression, and the way that people talk down 247 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 8: to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a 248 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 8: hard time with as well. So both things I can 249 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 8: hold in my hand. How can we address this issue 250 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 8: with the kind of decency that I think you know 251 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 8: inherent in you but not always expressed on the issue, No, 252 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 8: I get it. At the same time, deal with the 253 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 8: under you're asked. 254 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 7: You asked a good faith question like how do we 255 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 7: Democrats get out of the wilderness? Yeah, this one is 256 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 7: an eighty twenty issue New York Times poll, Right, that's all. 257 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: I agree with you. 258 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 7: We're getting crushed on and like crush and you have 259 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 7: an opportunity in the state to be like. Look, I 260 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 7: have a heart for Ady Hernandez. I have a heart 261 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 7: for the San Jose volleyball player. Yeah, let's give them compassion. 262 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 7: But what's not fair is just for like a woman's 263 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 7: entire woman's sports. 264 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 8: I agree, you know, by the way I agree with you. 265 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 8: I agree with you, and it's sterty. I stress tested 266 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 8: this child. I was wondering. I said, you know, in California, 267 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 8: and I've been a leader in the LGBTQ places as 268 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 8: face as you know, back in two thousand and four 269 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 8: was marrying sane sex couples. And I know we have 270 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 8: different opinion on marriage equality, and so I've been at 271 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 8: this for years and years. I take a bad seat 272 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 8: to no one, but I was actually on the issue 273 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 8: of sports, which in the last few years has just exploded, 274 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 8: trying to understand and understand the ten athletes in the 275 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 8: NC two A five hundred and ten thousand athletes, but 276 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 8: ten athletes and what but how profound, And even my 277 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 8: own friend Cohort people saying, the hell is going on? 278 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 8: Why aren't you calling this out? When did this happen? 279 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 8: So in two thousand, turns out in twenty fourteen, years 280 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 8: before I was governor, there was a law established that 281 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 8: established the legal principles that allow the allowed trans athletes 282 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 8: and women's sports. But the issue of fairness is completely jit. 283 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 8: So I completely align with you, and we've got to 284 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 8: own that. We've got to acknowledge it. I don't say 285 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 8: that through the prism of politics because you disagree with 286 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 8: same sex marriage on principle, and so I'm not. And 287 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 8: by the way, I value the fact that you're not 288 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 8: trying to walk away from that principle because electorally, I'm 289 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 8: in the side, yeah, in the minority, and I don't 290 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 8: want to walk away from this principle because of electoral 291 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 8: But it is an issue of fairness. 292 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 293 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting. I wanted to play the longer version 294 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: of that clip because he gets into so much stuff. 295 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: He's like, you know, for example, his pointing. By the way, 296 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: Charlie was masterful in this interview. I thought he did 297 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: a fantastic job. He really he maintained friendliness, he was 298 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: able to get to the bottom of things with him. 299 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: They had an exchange that I thought Charlie did a 300 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: terrific job. In this clip, he is saying Charlie takes 301 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: unpopular positions like against same sex marriage, and Gavin Newsom 302 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: is basically saying we're going to stick with our unpopular position, 303 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: but also manages to say I don't think it's fair. 304 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: He really is very sneaky and Republican should be extremely 305 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: careful with him. 306 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: Look, I am very uncharitable toward Gavin Newsom, and I 307 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: really thought that the mismanagement of the fires in California 308 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: would just end him right, end him right. And when 309 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: I hear him talk about the fires in a politician's capacity, 310 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a lizard man, Like, what's happening here? 311 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: He's terrible at this. And then I watched this and 312 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: I go, oh, he's having a real He's having a conversation, 313 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: which is the thing that many of them cannot do. 314 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: And I think he also did in the Dysantas Knew 315 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: some debate, which I'm in slight disagreement with you on that, 316 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: just because I enjoyed the counterfactual of watching these two 317 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: people debate each other versus the Biden Trump matchup. And 318 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: I do think that hearing those voices and those arguments 319 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: from those two folks as the foils was helpful to 320 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: America just to see that conversation happen. But yeah, he's 321 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: pretty good at having that conversation. Sometimes. I agree with 322 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: you that he is tricky here because he's better at 323 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: doing the Kamala Harris thing, which was I'm going to say, 324 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't think the things I used to think. Yeah, 325 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to do anything about it. 326 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 3: Definitely right. 327 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: He mentioned that the law precedes him, but you're a 328 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: governor and you could change that. 329 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: That's what Governor DeSantis does. 330 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: He affects change in the state of Florida and moves 331 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: things in his direction in California. 332 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: This is the second major Democrat in a couple of 333 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: weeks to say something along these lines, and I would 334 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: say Ram Emmanuel went even further. And this one didn't 335 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: go viral, but it was on Bill Maher's show, and 336 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: I kid you not, as part of a discussion of 337 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: how democrats governing major cities have gotten off the rails. 338 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: He said, I know me. If in high school or 339 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: middle school I could have said I'm a they and 340 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: gotten into the women's bathroom, I would have done it 341 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: for sure. 342 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: That's the truth about so many of these men, like 343 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: they know what they would have done. 344 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: Come on, well, but it he conceded the point we've 345 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: all been making. When this is subjective, it becomes dangerous 346 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: to people. He did it in sort of a coarse way. 347 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: I am very surprised that didn't go viral or get 348 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: him in trouble. What kind of heat is Newsome taking 349 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: for saying these very like but common sense things. 350 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 2: Right well, Newsom got ripped by Democrats. A column in 351 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: The Sacramento be titled Governor Gavin Newsom's civility displayed on 352 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: his new podcast looks Spineless noted and this is what 353 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 2: they said. 354 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: Quote. 355 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: Newsom nodded in agreement so much with Kirk. I would 356 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 2: be surprised if he didn't strain his neck. He allowed 357 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: Kirk to say whatever he wanted and didn't provide much 358 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: in the way of opposition. If you told someone who 359 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: doesn't follow politics to watch this podcast episode and choose 360 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: who was the conservative, I'm sure they would say both. 361 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 4: That's what he nails. 362 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, he really did. He nailed that. The problem for him, 363 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: of course. 364 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 2: Is he's going to have to go through the Democratic 365 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: primary first, and this is where they all return to 366 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: the ridiculous positions that they have to have last time around. 367 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: I think all of them are almost all of them 368 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: raised their hands. 369 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 4: For should we have free health care for legal immigrants? 370 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 2: I mean, they get caught up in this nonsense in 371 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 2: the primary that gets very hard to walk back in 372 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: the general. And him doing it this early is almost 373 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: like a sign that he thinks he is the standard 374 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: bear and that he's going to be the one that 375 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: the rest of the squad has to be. 376 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 4: So we'll see. 377 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: You know what I found interesting too, he mentions his 378 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: own friend cohort, which is very liberal, very rich donor 379 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: class Californians. Yeah, okay, so that should tell him how 380 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: potent this is, right, because if the people, if the people. 381 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: I think it is because David Frums written about it too, 382 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: where he was sitting around before the election and all 383 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: sorts of actually liberal people were like urbane liberals were like, 384 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: I don't know about this one, guys. So I do 385 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: think that it's an eighty twenty issue. It's going to 386 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: encompass some of every single class in America. And if 387 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: you're hearing that at the French laundry table where you 388 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: go during COVID, Gavin Newsom, when no one else can 389 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: go to a rescue, then that's a that's a red 390 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: flag for you. It's a red flag. So he's dancing 391 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: around it, but he needs to actually do something if 392 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: he if he wants to on the right, but then 393 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: he's on the wrong side of lefty politics. 394 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: It's very, very tough spot for him. 395 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: He also mentions that his thirteen year old son is 396 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: a big fan of Charlie's and that's. 397 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 4: That was an interesting point too. 398 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: I don't know how i'd feel if my you know, 399 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: one of my kids was a huge fan of like 400 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: somebody really far on the opposite side politically from me. 401 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: But he laughs it off, and he talks about how 402 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: his son wanted to take the day off to go 403 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: see this interview, but you know, obviously he can't because 404 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: he has school. And Charlie delivers the greatest line actually 405 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: of the interview, and he says, you close schools for 406 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: two years, what's another day? Yeah, Gavin new some his 407 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 2: kids did go to school because they went to private 408 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 2: schools as still mad. 409 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: At that bro forever or ever. By the way, no, 410 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: that's a great line. 411 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: We'll be right back on normally. 412 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's the fifth anniversary of the COVID two 413 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: weeks to stop the spread. And I actually I have 414 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: a fun COVID story, Carol. You were at my wedding, yes, 415 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: which I don't know how Providence chose for us. It 416 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: was amazing seventh, twenty twenty. Yeah, and we got married 417 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: on a beach in Aruba, and we had a great 418 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: party and almost no one dropped from the wedding list. 419 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: People were a little like, are we cool to go 420 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: out of the country right now? There was a little rumbling. 421 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: I think two people dropped. We had a huge, giant, 422 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: guilt free fun party and then everyone went home and 423 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: like three days later the world was shut down. 424 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was wild. It was amazing. 425 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 2: It was an incredible wedding, and it was the perfect 426 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: way to celebrate the end of the world, yes, which. 427 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: We did not know was coming. But by the way, 428 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: I posted about that on X the other day. And 429 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: just so you know that there are a few dead 430 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: enders who will still shame you for having a wedding 431 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty, at which zero people got. 432 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 2: Sick, right right, yeah, And like I it was the 433 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 2: Jewish holiday of Perham back home, and my kids were 434 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: with my in laws and we called them and they 435 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: were like, yeah, the Perham party was canceled. 436 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: And we were like what. 437 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: That's crazy, what a crazy thing to do. How could 438 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: they just cancel the Perham party? 439 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 4: You know, little did we know? Of course, then life 440 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 4: would be canceled very shortly thereafter. 441 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: Well, as we're revisiting everyone on this fifth anniversary, someone's 442 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: revisiting Fauci. 443 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 2: If you have a story, right, So, David Scharfenberg in 444 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: the Boston Globe has a book review. 445 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 3: A lot of people are. 446 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 2: Passing it around without reading it, because that's what people 447 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: do on the internet. 448 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: But we go the extra mile here. 449 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: Normally we actually read the articles. The article is called 450 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,239 Speaker 2: the Case Against Fauci, so yes, it gets you know, 451 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: the kind of article that just gets passed around without 452 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: anybody reading it. But it's actually a book review of 453 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 2: Stephen Mersito and Francis Lee's scathing new book called In 454 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: COVID's Wake, How Our Politics Failed Us, And people are 455 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 2: praising this book and this review because finally Fauci is 456 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: being seen as the villain of that era, which you 457 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: know certainly how I see him, and it's being passed 458 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: around by what I would call our people, the ones 459 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 2: still mad bro So Scharfenberg reviews the book and in 460 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: the In his review of it, he writes this line 461 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: that really pissed me off. He writes, much of in 462 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: COVID's Wake feels convincing, in no small part because Messito 463 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 2: and Lee are of the liberal data driven tribe they 464 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: critique are they? 465 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 3: Are they really? 466 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: And the rest of us like who aren't in the 467 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: in the liberal tribes just. 468 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 3: Exactly right. I don't remember those names. 469 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: I don't remember them being around at the time when 470 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: when it really did matter. And he says, quote, but 471 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 2: it's fair to say that Fauci, knowing what he knew 472 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: at the time, was wrong to argue that many schools 473 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: would have to remain shuttered in the fall of twenty twenty. Later, 474 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: he voiced regret over how long remote learning lingered No No. 475 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: In February of twenty twenty one, and we're going about 476 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: to play the clip, Fauci said that Biden's spending plan 477 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: had to be. 478 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 4: Passed before schools could open. 479 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: And I get that this was a throwaway line to 480 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: be fair to Fauci, but I'm just not having it. 481 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 8: Let's play that clip, and I think that the schools 482 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 8: really do need more resources. 483 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 2: And that's the reason why the National Relief Act that 484 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: we're talking about getting passed. We need that the schools 485 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: need more. Look, the review acknowledges things like, quote, the 486 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: liberal follow the science crowd was certain it was right 487 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: and had little tolerance for dissent. And ultimately the review 488 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 2: is like, well, liberals were wrong. Sure, but have you 489 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: heard of Donald Trump? So you know, I'm just not 490 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: as thrilled as a lot of other people are about 491 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: this story. 492 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: No, I don't think you should be. So much of 493 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: this stuff is far too little, too late. Although I 494 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: do appreciate some movement, because some of these people really 495 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: freak me out with the way they still talk like 496 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty. I was on Howie Kurtz's show on 497 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: Fox Sunday and Leslie Marshall, who's one of our Democrats 498 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: who I appreciate very much, who's on Fox with us, 499 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: and we usually have a pretty good back and forth, 500 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: but we had a real back and forth this weekend 501 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: because when asked about an RFK story, she went hard 502 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: on we understand that public health and science are not political. 503 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: We are the party that gets at that this shouldn't 504 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: be a Republican or a democratic issue. They demonized vaccines 505 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: and here we are referring to the measles outbreak in Texas. 506 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: It came back to me and I was somewhat flower 507 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: gas and I said, how I say to hear from 508 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: a dem after COVID that the science is not political 509 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: is laughable. And here are the eighty one reasons why. 510 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: Went through all of my turns out. I have it 511 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 3: all on the tip of my tongue. 512 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, when, for instance, Collins was covering 513 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: up the origin of the virus and didn't tell us 514 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: things we should know, and we have Floyd emails that 515 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: tell us he was lying at the time, when FALCI 516 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: was doing the same thing, when they were smearing jaboditaria 517 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: it was now the head of the NIH, when they 518 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: were closing schools for two years, when they were forcing 519 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: COVID vaccines on children who didn't need them for RASK 520 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: original rets, that's right. Risk analysis. Yeah, I can say 521 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,239 Speaker 1: words see, I'm still mad about it. 522 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: You're still mad about it. I'm still mad about it. 523 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: And we're going to continue to be the voice of 524 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: this because it really hasn't been that long. We are 525 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: constantly being threatened with new viruses possibly emerging. It does 526 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: not seem that a lot of people learn the right lessons. 527 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 2: I still hear, you know, from people who say, we 528 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: just didn't try hard enough, we just didn't mask hard enough. 529 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: I mean, there's still obviously so many people who are 530 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: saying that, you know, we just didn't do it good. 531 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: The COVID vaccine is still on the schedule for six 532 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: month olds, right, It's on the vaccine schedule. If you 533 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: want people to trust the rest of it, you got 534 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: to take that off. That's part of the that's part 535 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: of how public easy call. 536 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 537 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: One last one of our favorite characters just getting from 538 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: this era is Randy Winegarden, head of a national teacher's union, 539 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: who held public school students' education's ransom for two years 540 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: to get their payout. That was the desire. They wanted 541 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: to do less work for more money and more benefits, 542 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: and she saw that as an opportunity, and so she 543 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: made sure that she made the metrics in concert with 544 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: the Biden administration, and she made all the headlines about 545 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: how dangerous it would be to go back to school. 546 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: She scared a bunch of people unnecessarily, she kept kids 547 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: out of school. Turns out it hurt the poor and 548 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: the those who are already struggling. Worm. Yeah, we all 549 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: said this would happen. Well, she's out talking again, which 550 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: I have to say, I think is probably good for 551 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: anyone who's against Randy Wingarten because she's not great at this. 552 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: Let's hear clip number one. This is from an NBC 553 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: show explaining she's so mad about the idea of cutting 554 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: any of the Department of Education. 555 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 6: Is why so many people are so mad about it, 556 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 6: because they're just taking opportunity away from kids and have 557 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 6: it so billionaires. Kids are billionaires, they have it. They 558 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,719 Speaker 6: go to private schools. Everyone else ninety percent go to 559 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 6: public schools. Don't take away their opportunity. 560 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: So let's stay on the fact. 561 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 6: Sorry, no, I do not really angry about this, because 562 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 6: I'm really angry. 563 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 9: I taught kids in Clara Barton High School and Brooke. 564 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: She was a teacher for what like three years, by 565 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: the way, before she became a very high paid teacher's 566 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: union head. I love the reporter here. It's like, don't apologize. 567 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're doing the right thing, Randy, you feel your feelings. 568 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: She kept children out of school for two years. There 569 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: has not been a figure in my living memory who 570 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: has hurt public schools more than this person did. Yep, 571 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: and students. Yeah, it's like all everyone else is to blame. 572 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: Let me play one more clip of her on Molly 573 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: jong FAST's podcast talking about why she's angry, and when 574 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: she's with an even friendlier voice, she tells you the 575 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: real thing, the real deal here. 576 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 9: It is equally pernicious. They're saying, Oh, don't worry, let's 577 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 9: block rant it so we'll give it to a state 578 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 9: education department. So and then let the state education department 579 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 9: decide what to do, so we know, for example, what 580 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 9: Texas would do. They'll use it for vouchers, so that 581 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 9: you don't give it to the kids who have it now. 582 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 9: They'll just give it for balacy for schools, religious schools. 583 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, she keeps saying things like billionaires kids will have 584 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: opportunities if we do this, Like billionaires kids. 585 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 3: Already have opportunities. You didn't say one word that private 586 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: schools were open while public schools were closed. I think 587 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 3: that's that remains to me. 588 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: Actually, the thing about the whole school closures during the pandemic, 589 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 2: it clearly wasn't about health reasons. Otherwise, why wouldn't the 590 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: private schools also be closed. Why did Gavin new some 591 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: kids get to go to school. So this is a 592 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 2: complete red herring from her. Oh, the billionaire's kids are 593 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: going to get something that the public school kids were 594 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: entitled to. 595 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 4: It's all nonsense. 596 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: The rich kids are already doing very well. 597 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: And a voucher system would give money to parents of 598 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: children who are suffering in the schools that she is 599 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: such a cheerleader for, except she degraded them over two years. Like, oh, 600 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: they might do something crazy like give money to parents 601 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: to go to schools that work, right or because caath 602 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: Catholic schools have a much better performance record they do 603 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: than public schools do in many, many places. I would 604 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: wager all the places, and that would give opportunity to 605 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: people who are not billionaires. But the truth is what 606 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: she's saying here is this money's mine, right. This money 607 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: belongs to the union, it belongs to teachers. It should 608 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: not follow students because students as usual are not the priority. 609 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 3: That's right, And look, it is a lot of money. 610 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: Also, I think that I think people don't know that 611 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: the Department of Education, Federal Department of Education has a 612 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: budget of nearly seventy billion dollars, which you're like, oh, wow, 613 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 2: that pays for all the schools around the country, So 614 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: that seems correct. No, schools only get about eleven percent 615 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: of funding from the federal government. The rest comes from 616 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: state and local moneies. This is a boondoggle. 617 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 3: This is money. 618 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: You know, Doge can get in here and find all 619 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: kinds of waste and fraud because seventy billion, when you're 620 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: only sending eleven percent of the school funding is just 621 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 2: an insane number. 622 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: It's a pass through. And she's the middle woman, right, 623 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: so what's coming out of there? Also, I would love 624 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: to see her be upset even close to this upset 625 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: about the national report card we saw a couple of 626 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: weeks ago about which she said basically nothing except for like, oh, 627 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: we need more money to fix. 628 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 3: This, right more money is necessary to fix this right now. Please. Yeah. 629 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: In New York that number was only twenty three percent 630 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: of eighth graders are proficion in math, and only twenty 631 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: eight percent are a profession in reading. And I have 632 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: all these numbers handy because I'm writing about it for 633 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: the New York Post and you can read about it 634 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: later this week. 635 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: Very nice. Well, I'm still mad. 636 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 3: I'm still mad. 637 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: Bro. 638 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for joining us on normally 639 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you could subscribe anywhere 640 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: you get your podcasts. Get in touch with us at 641 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: Normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, and when 642 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: things get weird, act normally