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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: Holl that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've

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Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day a of steak?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoo and them and tie hey, everybody, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the solid verbal. And it is. It's not signing day,

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Speaker 1: but it's signing period. But there's an official signing day

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Speaker 1: in early February. I don't know. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: anybody truly actually knows. But in instances like this, when

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Speaker 1: we bring on Brandon Hoffman, that's just what we do

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Speaker 1: from twenty four to seven sports two four seven or

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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven, twenty four to seven works.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's what I do, is do this

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Speaker 2: recruiting gig twenty four day? How many days? Seven days

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Speaker 2: in the week, twenty four See, that's that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: Now your saving period.

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Speaker 1: Yep, it's a signing period. We are recording this the

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Speaker 1: day after you have eaten, slept, and presumably drank recruiting

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Speaker 1: for these past few hours. He's showing off his coffee mug.

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Speaker 1: If you're watching the video version of this. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: it's Jackson State and Travis Hunter is the headline because

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Speaker 1: of how unusual and knew that situation is coupled with

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Speaker 1: how nil has begun in college football. Did you have

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Speaker 1: any inkling leading up that this was a possibility? Was

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Speaker 1: What was your reaction?

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Speaker 2: So I got this question asked a couple times yesterday.

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Speaker 2: It's just the biggest shocker. I mean, it doesn't even

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Speaker 2: The next year, I remember Deontay Greenberry flipping from Notre

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Speaker 1: He did put into context who Travis Hunter is both

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Speaker 1: Do you think they did anything different? Obviously they're going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't cry for Clemson because even though it

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Speaker 1: There are a number of high profile schools across the country.

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Speaker 2: I would say Notre Dame was was probably one of

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Speaker 2: They got a couple of key players yesterday, including Nigelie Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Mimmy is sixty seconds, right behind TCU, who made a

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Speaker 1: One school you didn't mention, which I think there has

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Speaker 1: been and rightfully so a lot of excitement around is

436
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Speaker 1: USC tiny class and I imagine another one of those

437
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Speaker 1: schools that you know, without a lot of time to

438
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Speaker 1: evaluate and visit and whatever, is going to take its

439
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Speaker 1: time and figure out who fits come February common Class

440
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three com transfer portal. Whatever. What is

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Speaker 1: your I guess short term and long term outlook on

442
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Speaker 1: what Lincoln Riley has done and can do in la

443
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Speaker 1: an area that you know there are a lot of

444
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Speaker 1: talented players in US when it's operating, can land all

445
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Speaker 1: of them? What is your outlook with Lincoln Riley, with

446
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Speaker 1: the class and beyond.

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Speaker 2: So when the days started on Wednesday, USC was ranked

448
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifth in the country and twelfth in

449
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Speaker 2: the Pac twelve. They only got two new editions yesterday'

450
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Speaker 2: Zion Branch out of Las Vegas, a top fifty player nationally,

451
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Speaker 2: the number one player in the state of Nevada, and

452
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Speaker 2: then they landed Garrison Madden out of Georgia, linebacker, highly

453
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Speaker 2: rated linebacker in the three star group out of Georgia,

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Speaker 2: but they only added two commits to jumped up twenty

455
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Speaker 2: four spots. As a result of that, they're now tenth

456
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Speaker 2: in the PAC twelve. But if there's anybody that's going

457
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Speaker 2: to fit from the February signing period more than the USC,

458
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Speaker 2: I'd like to find it because Dolmanti Jackson, who's the

459
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Speaker 2: number two corner in the country after Travis Hunner, will

460
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Speaker 2: announce his final decision on Friday between Alabama and USC.

461
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Speaker 2: He was a longtime commit to USC. Alabama had been

462
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Speaker 2: putting the press on him. He took a visit out

463
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Speaker 2: to Michigan. A lot of people thought he might end

464
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Speaker 2: up in Michigan. He eliminated Michigan from his list, went

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Speaker 2: with Alabama and USC two days after Lincoln Riley was hired.

466
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Speaker 2: Two days after Lincoln Riley, changing the entire complexion of

467
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Speaker 2: Pack twelve recruiting re Leake Brown, his teammateem Modern Day,

468
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Speaker 2: ended up decommittee from Oklahoma to USC. CJ. Williams was

469
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Speaker 2: a long time commit to Notre Dame, another Modern Day prospect.

470
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Speaker 2: He is likely going to end up at USC. He'll

471
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Speaker 2: announce at the All American Ball so Cyrus Moss had

472
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Speaker 2: a top three in Arizona State, Alabama, and Oregon. Now

473
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Speaker 2: USC is right back in the mix for him. So

474
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Speaker 2: there's three top fifty, top seventy five players just right

475
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Speaker 2: there that USC is either leading for or has a

476
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Speaker 2: good chance to get. So those three alone should continue

477
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Speaker 2: to move this class up. But I think you're now

478
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Speaker 2: seeing those elite players that had been leaving the area.

479
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: Demanta Jackson, if Clay Helton's retained, Demanta Jackson probably signs

480
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Speaker 2: to Alabama yesterday. But now with Lincoln Riley, there's reason

481
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Speaker 2: for these West Coast kids to stay in southern California.

482
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Speaker 2: And I think we're going to see the power shifting

483
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Speaker 2: back a little bit from Oregon to USC in terms

484
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Speaker 2: of who's the alpha when it comes to recruiting.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, I don't think there's a question in the Midwest

486
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Speaker 1: at this point still who the alpha is because of

487
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Speaker 1: what Ohio State ceiling is in terms of looking nationally

488
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Speaker 1: and securing nationally incredible classes. But Michigan and Penn State

489
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Speaker 1: are kind of right there. This year sixteen blue chippers

490
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Speaker 1: for Ohio State, sixteen blue chippers for Penn State, eleven

491
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Speaker 1: from Michigan. Then of course a drop off before Indiana

492
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Speaker 1: and Michigan State. What did Penn State and Michigan do

493
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Speaker 1: this year that seemed different? Now Jim Harbaugh and James

494
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Speaker 1: Franklin have recruited, well, it seems like they both closed

495
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Speaker 1: and in the case of Penn State opened pretty strongly

496
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Speaker 1: this year. Was there something different in the way they

497
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Speaker 1: went after kids? Are their kids from this class? We

498
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Speaker 1: were just like, man, those are your cornerstone dudes? How

499
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Speaker 1: do you look at those two classes?

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Speaker 2: So remember earlier when I say you really get a

501
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Speaker 2: bump in your recruiting depending on the season. Four ignore

502
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Speaker 2: that for Penn State and Michigan, who both had horrible

503
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Speaker 2: twenty twenties, especially compared to what James Franklin and Jim

504
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Speaker 2: Harbive experienced at their respective schools. Pen's safe for a

505
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: good chunk in the year. Habitat class in the now.

506
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Speaker 2: A lot of it was because they got a lot

507
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Speaker 2: of early commitments and held on to a lot of

508
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Speaker 2: those guys, but other schools ended up passing them up.

509
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Speaker 2: Michigan the same way they'd had a Jim Harbaugh's problem

510
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: has never been recruiting. It's been beating Ohio State, beating

511
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Speaker 2: his rival beating Michigan State, but this year they did

512
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Speaker 2: at least one of those two. But their recruiting was

513
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 2: great and they actually closed well down the stretch. Getting

514
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Speaker 2: Darius Clements a flip yesterday or not flip, but he

515
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Speaker 2: was a long time It was long thought he was

516
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: going to end up at Oregon. Were not having a

517
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 2: permanent receivers coach probably cost him. Darius Clements, but they

518
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: were able to get him. Derek Moore, who'd been a

519
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: long time commit to Oklahoma, ended up signing with Michigan yesterday,

520
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: so and then key On sapp one of those long

521
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 2: time comes and commits from Ing, he signed with Michigan.

522
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Speaker 2: So they closed really well. Penn State did a good

523
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Speaker 2: job of holding on to guys, and what they have

524
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Speaker 2: going for them is they had the twenty four to

525
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Speaker 2: seven Sports number one quarterback, Drew Aller, a guy that

526
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Speaker 2: they did a phenomenal job of early identifying. He was

527
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 2: a three star I thinkue when he first started to

528
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: blow up onto the scene we saw at the Elite eleven.

529
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Speaker 2: He's now our number one quarterback in the country. Nicholas

530
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Speaker 2: Singleton out of Pennsylvania. He was the Gatorade National Player

531
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Speaker 2: of the year, a big time running back, top five player.

532
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Speaker 2: They got Kaden Saggers, who's just outside Columbus from Ohio,

533
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: but he's been committed to Penn State for quite some time.

534
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 2: Danny Dennis Sutton out of Maryland. I think at Penn

535
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Speaker 2: State he did a really good job was the early

536
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Speaker 2: commitments and then holding on to them. While Michigan use

537
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Speaker 2: again they're going to see their best bump in the

538
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: twenty three class. But Michigan definitely got some success in

539
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Speaker 2: December based off of the Ohio State win, the Big

540
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: Ten championship in the spot in the Cultural World playoff.

541
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Speaker 2: Darius Comes alone told me that when you're winning and

542
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Speaker 2: then going to the college football playoffs like Michigan did,

543
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Speaker 2: that definitely makes them more appealing to me.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the quarterback class of twenty twenty two

545
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Speaker 1: thus far. Who are you excited about? Who are not

546
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: deep sleepers, but who are guys where you're like, man,

547
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Speaker 1: this team got somebody and it is incredible that this

548
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: team got them. I don't know if you have that

549
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: guy or not, but what is your evaluation of the

550
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Speaker 1: class as you see it?

551
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Speaker 2: So it's interesting because in twenty twenty two we had

552
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Speaker 2: Quinn ewers in this class, he was the number one

553
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: FOT in the country. He reclassifies the twenty twenty one.

554
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: Now he's in Texas where he might as well be

555
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: at twenty twenty two, but he was kind of the

556
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 2: alpha and the omega of the quarterbacks, and everybody else

557
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: was kind of behind him. Fast forward to the Elite

558
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: eleven in June and July. Quinn was there, but so

559
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: is Kate Klubnick, Connor Wegman, Tys Simpson, Drew Aler, Walker Howard,

560
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: who are all the top five. Devin Brown made a

561
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: big jump, and now we have Kate Clubnick as the

562
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: number one quarterback in the composite. We have Drew Aler

563
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: ourselves at twenty four seven as the number one quarterback.

564
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 2: Penn State gets taller, Clemson gets club Nick, and if

565
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: all things go as planning, club Nick will sit behind

566
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: dajat Leandalilei in twenty twenty two and then have the

567
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: chance to be the guy in twenty twenty three. Connor

568
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: Wegman's a big, physical, duel threat type that's going to

569
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 2: Texas A and M A great pig is. So you

570
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: look at the schools that had the top six seven

571
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: quarterbacks they're who you expect, Clemson A and m Alabama,

572
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Speaker 2: lsut Ohio State and Georgia, even Florida State in aj

573
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: Duffy and holding on to him when it looked like

574
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: he was going to ASU. Schools were still trying. But

575
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 2: then the schools that kind of end up in the

576
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: top fifteen that were not used to seeing them pulling

577
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 2: in quarterbacks. You got Purdue getting Brady Allen. And when

578
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: I say not I used to getting quarterbacks. It's been

579
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: twenty years since Drew Brees was plus. Drew Brees was

580
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 2: small and he's still small now. But in nineteen ninety

581
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: seven when he signed, there weren't quarterbacks like Drew. But

582
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: hees going to college. But pretty gets Brady Allen out

583
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: of Indiana. You have Missouri getting Sam Horne, who's a

584
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: teammate of Travis Hunter at Collins Hill. They'll be playing

585
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: on ESPN this weekend in the Glico State both series.

586
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: And he's a baseball player too, But a big pick

587
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: up from Missouri to go with Luther Burden. You also

588
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: see Michigan State with Kiten Howser, who was in a

589
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: very unique situation, played his first two years in Las Vegas,

590
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: Vegas didn't have football In twenty twenty two, thousands went

591
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: to Saint John Bostoll split duties with Pierce Clarkson and

592
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: they were doing an alternate series basically for two years.

593
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: Kateen Hawser was going to Michigan State despite never being

594
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: the full time starter out of school, so we're not

595
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: he's seeing really Michigan, seeing Purdue getting that they're usually

596
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: the ones that get the outlier type quarterbacks right end

597
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: up going to the NFL in spite of their ranking.

598
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: Utah as well, getting Nate Johnson, who phenomenal track athlete,

599
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: and he's going to Utah where I think you look

600
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: at him and you can see a little bit of

601
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: Tyler Huntley and him where he's a guy that's going

602
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 2: to kill you with his legs as much as he's

603
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: going to kill you with his arm, but as he

604
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: continues to develop as a passer, he will kill you

605
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 2: with his arm more than his legs because he's got

606
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,239
Speaker 2: a good arm. He's just continuing to develop as a

607
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: thrower as a passer, but a guy that has really

608
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: unmatched athleticism from any quarterback in this position.

609
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Speaker 1: Were there any schools this class that you heard that

610
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: were doing a particularly creative job in the way that

611
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: they recruited kids. I don't necessarily mean nil or whatever,

612
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: but it's just like, Okay, this guy's a big personality

613
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: that really resonated with kids, and he's kind of new

614
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: to this. Like, is there anybody who stood out to

615
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: you like, oh man, this is interesting the way that

616
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: Boston College, the way that Minnesota. Is there a school

617
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: that really did something new this year?

618
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I go back to kitten Houser. I

619
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: really feel like with Milt Tucker's reputation as a defensive guy,

620
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: they really made kitten Houser their priority from the get go,

621
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: and they really hammered home. You know, this could be

622
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: your program. You're not from the West Coast, so you're

623
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: not from the Midwest. You're from the West coast. But

624
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: even on his official visiting, I remember seeing videos of

625
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: him walking into the stadium and hearing his name on

626
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: the jumbo tron or seeing his name of the jumbletron,

627
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: hearing his name over the loudspeaker, and he just said

628
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: it resonated with him. And we're used to seeing that

629
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: with receivers or with dbs, with running backs. You don't

630
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: necessarily see quarterbacks get caught up in all the hype

631
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: of recruiting. But I think Michigan State did a phenomenal

632
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: job of recruiting kitten Houser. He was committed to Boise State,

633
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: which isn't a bad school, which is turned out some

634
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: decent quarterbacks in years past, but Michigan State just really

635
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: hit a home run with him off the official visit.

636
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: And you know, because quarterbacks commit so early, you don't

637
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: really hear about a lot of quarterbacks who the official

638
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: visit is the swing to get them there. So that

639
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: was how do the unique take that that was official

640
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: visit that really swung him away from Boise State, And

641
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: maybe it was just Miltucker, and maybe Miltucker was selling, hey,

642
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to be here for ten more years, but

643
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: because they're going to pay me one hundred million dollars.

644
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: But even then, they did a really good job of

645
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: flipping him from Boise State, which it has to success

646
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: with him, and again, not a whole lot of creativity

647
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: there other than it was just one of those weird

648
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: situations where you finally heard a quarterback talk about the

649
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: official visit being why he hit the school.

650
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: You're in the Pacific Northwest, which has now gotten to

651
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: be a lot better in terms of a recruiting ground

652
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: top kids from Oregon, Washington, but the West Coast in

653
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: general has been I don't know if it's come off.

654
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: It's just being pillaged by Georgia, Clemson, Alabama, whatever, a

655
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: lot of top flight kids. But you're still around all

656
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: these kids at camps and you're going to games. You

657
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: know their coaches, you know their parents. What is it

658
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two to be

659
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: a top flight kid being recruited? What is their daily

660
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: life like in terms of what their communications is like

661
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: with the expectations for how they behave online, offline whatever.

662
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: What is that life like right now?

663
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: So I'll get a good insight, you know, you and

664
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: I talked a lot about it during the recruiting process

665
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: of JT. Two Molobile, who was the number one player

666
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: in the country in twenty twenty one, And you know,

667
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: I got a really good insight into how the recruiting

668
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: process works with the number one player in the country,

669
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: more so than in previous years. Remember when Najie Harris

670
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: was the number one player, he committed early at Alabama.

671
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: The really rules school that ever really seemingly had a

672
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: chance to get him was Michigan, but it was always

673
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: kind of you know, on Alabama and Naji. Although he's

674
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: a great interview now, back in the day, Nagie hated talking,

675
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: so he didn't get a whole lot from him. Now

676
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: he was with JT five years later when he took

677
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: his official visits in June. This was the first time,

678
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: and that was because there was no official business in

679
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one for the most part. But instead of

680
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: schools talking about their facilities, instead of them talking about

681
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: their training table, instead of them talking about their coaches,

682
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: he started to hear in June how much NIL was

683
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: being discussed in the recruiting process. So now when I

684
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: talked to JT, how's presentation? Oh, I was cool, you know,

685
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: Or how's the visit? I was cool? You know their

686
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: NIL presentation? Not Hey, there's strength and conditioning programs. This

687
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: it's It's not because he didn't care about it. It's

688
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: that the schools were trying to hammer that home. When

689
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: people saw Travis Hunter leave yesterday Florest State for Jackson State,

690
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: the first thing that came out was NIL. And that

691
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: is now what is being hammered home with his recruits.

692
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: But it's also something that recruits are hammering home with

693
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: these schools. So when you look at the elite recruits

694
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty two class, in the twenty twenty

695
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: three class, there's no longer as much of a concern

696
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: about NFL development being at the top of the list.

697
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: It's nil. How is my brand going to grow? How

698
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: can you grow my brand for me? Then it's what

699
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: does the depth chart look like? Again, it used to

700
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: be NFL development. Well, believe it or not, Dan, there

701
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: was a time where it was where your degree from.

702
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I know we're old, but it was

703
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: that time. Then it was about winning. Then it was

704
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: about development. Then there was the NFL and the depth

705
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: chart and all that. Now it's change. It's nil, it's

706
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 2: depth chart. It's what is the traffic looking like at

707
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: the position I'm at? And oh, by the way, coach

708
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: in your back pocket, keep these five schools warm just

709
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: in case I don't get a shot at the school

710
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: that they're telling me I'm going to get because I'm

711
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: going to go in the portal. So you're almost recruiting

712
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: a number of schools when you're a recruit not being

713
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: recruited by them, but you're keeping other relationships warm just

714
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: in case you ultimately need to end up there in

715
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: a year from now.

716
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask what is it like from the

717
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: other side, Like if I don't know if Lincoln Riley,

718
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm just making up names here, but if you know,

719
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: Billy Napier is recruiting a kid and they've got a

720
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: great relationship with the kids, says you know what, I'm

721
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to George, I'm gonna go to Alabama

722
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: or whatever. What is it like from the coaches knowing

723
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: that because the portal has gotten so huge, how are

724
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: they maintaining relationships? Obviously they're not talking to the kids

725
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: while they're at another school and tampering. How do these

726
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 1: coaches maintain how do they stay in good graces of

727
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: like remember me, guys, I'm you know, if it doesn't

728
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: work out, it's so and so. Are they keeping up

729
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: relationships with seven on seven coaches? Are they keeping up

730
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: relationships with high school coaches? How is that? How are

731
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: these coaches massaging the recruiting universe if you're watching on

732
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: video and edge, Yeah, they're not tampering at all, But

733
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: they're talking to somebody who's talking there to them.

734
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: There is a middle man involved, you know, the high

735
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: school coach, the seven on seven coach, the trainer, whoever

736
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: it may be. What's interesting is, you know, you talk

737
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: to schools about you got twelve guys committed, you have

738
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: root for twenty five. You know, why are you only

739
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: bringing in twelve because we're going to go hit the

740
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: portal hard. Why because we don't have time to recruit

741
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: the high school kids. We have to recruit our own

742
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 2: kids that are talking about going into the portal, plus

743
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: the portal kids that can actually come in and help us,

744
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: So we don't have time to go chasing around kids

745
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: that are still unknown quantities. Even the league kids are

746
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: still an unknown because they haven't played it down on

747
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: college football. But then there's guys that are in the

748
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: portal that haven't played it down that they want to leave.

749
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: But those relationships existed. You at least knew he had

750
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: a year of training table, he had a year of

751
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: you know, development in the locker room, in the weight room,

752
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: of you know, whatever it is that that school does

753
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 2: for a year for their football program. You're at least

754
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: willing to take a risk on a transfer that's a

755
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: freshman or a sophomore more than a high schoo team,

756
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: because you know, he at least had some experience at

757
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: a college program. So now colleges are having to spend

758
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: as much time recruiting their own kids. I mean it

759
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: used to be back in the day, when a kid transferred,

760
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: it was usually a kid he was buried on the

761
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: depth chart. He might have been completely homesick, and it

762
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: was usually you know, sion was on the wall, right,

763
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: was on the wall that he wasn't going to play.

764
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: Then there was the whole process of going through the

765
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: transfer portal, or to be a transfer. There wasn't a portal.

766
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: Then the portal came. Now you're seeing guys that are

767
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: multi year starters, multi game starters, twenty five games, meeting

768
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: because they want to go play somewhere else. They want

769
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: to go play with their friends, they want to go

770
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: play in front of their family, they want to go

771
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: play at a place where the system is better dedicated

772
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: to what they want to do. You're seeing grad transfers

773
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: that have been starters, stars at those schools. They're going

774
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: into the portal and maybe want one more year. Maybe

775
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: with this quarterback you or with this receiving core, and

776
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: you know, you never had to worry about recruiting your

777
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: own players back in the day. You had to recruit

778
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: the players that were considering going to the NFL a

779
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: year early, and at least you were going to lose

780
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: them to the NFL, not to another college team, not

781
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: to a team that could be in your own conference.

782
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: We're seeing so much interconference transferring now too, that schools

783
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: are genuinely worried that are my guys being tampered with

784
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: because I have to deprogram them from their dis scene

785
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: for this program that they're playing in and talk about

786
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: of why they want to go play at that program,

787
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: which they haven't even been on the campus of in

788
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: a number of months. So college coaches and I think

789
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: that that's why you're hearing so much above about the

790
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: early signing period now, is that college coaches are having

791
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: to use their to set because you know, the first

792
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: Monday after the NFL season end, it's called black money.

793
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: That's when all those coaches get fired. Now, we saw

794
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: the largest number in one day of transfers. Have excuse me,

795
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: the Monday after the regular season ended. Guys now know

796
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: where they stand, So you're having to spend as much

797
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: time recruiting your own guys as you are. You can't

798
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: go do in homes with recruits until you know a

799
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: certain period, but you can call that kid into your

800
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: office that's on your campus, say get in here, what

801
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Why are you leading? Why don't

802
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: you come to us before this. Schools are just as

803
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 2: son when a kid puts themself into the transfer portal

804
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: as I think fans are when that kid goes into

805
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: the portal. So they're having to do more work keeping

806
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: their own guys happy. And these are guys that are

807
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: starters that have you know, taken the majority of snaps

808
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: at those positions.

809
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: Am I correct and assuming? And you know this is

810
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: I have no idea who would actually be an expert

811
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: in this, but it seems that with all the portal activity,

812
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: and when we hear about coaches wanting resources when they

813
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: want guys in their recruiting department, should schools have portal

814
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: specialists that just watch as much college football as humanly

815
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: possible so they know when somebody enters the portal like,

816
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: oh this guy's legit. Oh yeah, this because you don't

817
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: have any time, so basically you're recruiting your own players.

818
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: You're recruiting high school players and now, and I don't

819
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: know if twenty four seven has I think Chris Hummer

820
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: does this stuff. I believe right, is that his name?

821
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: Who does? Who focuses on the portal? But should all

822
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: schools not have somebody who's like, I know seven thousand players?

823
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that a reality in which we live now?

824
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely? You know, Chris Summer and Clint Brewster both do

825
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: a phenomenal job of the daily on going on of

826
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: the portal, and it's like they're always putting on names,

827
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: and then they have to deal with angry fans that

828
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: have been because they're reporting. And then there's like the

829
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: kids want to put themself in the portal. Don't get

830
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: mad at me for disreporting it. But I remember when

831
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: Nickolovich got hired at Washington State in twenty twenty, in January,

832
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: shortly after Michaelischia left from Missippi State. And I want

833
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: to say Washington State was the first school that hired

834
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: a full time director of transfer recruiting, whether that was Juco's,

835
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: whether that was the poor But now you're starting to

836
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: see schools that we talked to the director player of

837
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: personnels director of recruiting. They're spending as much time hitting

838
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: refreshed on the portal to see who they can reach

839
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: out to right now, because no longer are the days,

840
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: you know, with the transfer, you no longer have to

841
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: wait for the kid to get the release. You see,

842
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 2: you had to get the release, and it was maybe

843
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: the school said you can't play at any school that's

844
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: on our schedule for the next four years, or you

845
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: can't go to any school that's in our conference. Now

846
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: these kids can go from USC to UCLA, they can

847
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: go to Florida to Florida State, they can go wherever

848
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: they want. So these guys are constantly hitting a refreshed,

849
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: a seed who's available. We don't have to wait for

850
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: a release, We can hit that kid up immediately. Now,

851
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: there's some kids that don't allow themselves to be contact.

852
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: Usually that means they already know where they're doing, which

853
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: right again, it's crazy how they know without ever talking community.

854
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: Weird and how that works. Yeah, so weird.

855
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: But you're having situations now where schools are having to

856
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: recruit the portal far heavier than they ever recruited high schools.

857
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: Now they're having to watch film that they have cut

858
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: up of from those Saturday games instead of having huddle

859
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 2: for high school kids or camp clips. There's no camp

860
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: clips of these kids that are recent, so you're going

861
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 2: to try to watch any game that you can find

862
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: to see is this kid gonnefit our system. But you're

863
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: seeing a new trend to schools having such a focus

864
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: on transfer recruiting, and you're seeing it more with schools

865
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: that are with a first time head coach or a

866
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: new head coach program where he sees there's a need

867
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 2: for a quick fix. Oregon State's a good example. When

868
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith first got to Oregon State, they hit the

869
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: portal hard. They hit JUCO transfers hard. Yesterday they signed

870
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: sixteen players and only one was a transfer, and it

871
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: was a JUCO transfer from the area where they've recruited

872
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: some good dbs out of the last few years from

873
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: the JUCO ranks. But now in year four he could

874
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: start focusing on high school development. He's got those quick

875
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: fixes in place. So you're going to see schools that

876
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: rely heavily on the transfer portal because that's the best

877
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: way to build their depth chart and the roster. So

878
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: that means the admins and the personnel. Guys are spending

879
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: more and more time watching current college film than granny

880
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: junior high school huddle film.

881
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: How does how does this trickle down to high school recruiting?

882
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: That is, does it mean that there are more Power

883
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: five level kids going G five? More G five level

884
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: going Power five? With the amount of movement at the

885
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: Power five level? I just I feel like there's not

886
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: enough scholarships to go around for everybody. So where how

887
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: is this affecting the borderline high school kids?

888
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: I talked to a PAC twelve DPP this week, and

889
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: if you don't know what a VPP is, record player personnel,

890
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: and he made a you would know what it means.

891
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 2: If your listeners don't know what it means, that's what

892
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: it is. And basically, these guys don't help with the

893
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: day to day coaching. They don't help with the day

894
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: to day development of those players. They're worried about your

895
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: two years from now, three years from now, four years

896
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: from now. And talking to him he said some of

897
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: that it was kind of key and stuck with me.

898
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: He said, I am worried that scholarship numbers are going

899
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: to be so heavily predicated on the transfers that more

900
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: and more high school kids aren't going to be recruited.

901
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 2: And if we're not recruiting high school kids, then who's

902
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: going to be able to go into the portal. Schools

903
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: are going to have a hard time keeping eighty five

904
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: guys on the roster because they're doing such a poor

905
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: job of recruiting high school kids. And I never thought

906
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: of it that way. Now, you were saying that in

907
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: the time where you still have players that have their

908
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: COVID season, the extra year of eligibility, so you have

909
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: super seniors, you have probably two or three more years

910
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 2: of that happening, where the twenty twenty season was essentially

911
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: a watch. But schools are going to eventually have to

912
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: get back to the eighty five scholarships so they can

913
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: have those players can have the eligibility, but it's going

914
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: to come at the expense of the scholarship that school

915
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 2: has to give. Now, let's say you've got eight ten

916
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: guys that you want to keep in because they have

917
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: that extra year. Then you want to go get some

918
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: guys from the portal. You might only be able to

919
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: sign a classes ten to twelve guys. Well, that ten

920
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: to twelve guys makes a trickle down. So there's FCS schools.

921
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: There's a group of five schools that are sitting there going, oh,

922
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: hell yeah, we get guys that we had no shot

923
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: at getting in previous years. Now we're going to come

924
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: in And it's not necessarily a bad evaluation thing. No,

925
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: it's a number. So you're going to see probably in

926
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: the twenty four, twenty five, twenty six NFL drafts, you're

927
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 2: going to see a larger number of FCS G five

928
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 2: guys drafted because they fell down to schools that normally

929
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't have GOTTENAM and those schools took a chance on

930
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: those kids without maybe some junior film, without senior film.

931
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: But because the portal people are saying it's going to

932
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: kill hashs to recruiting, well, yes and no, it still

933
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: means that guys are going to have a spot to

934
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: go if they're good enough. It just might not be

935
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: at the biggest level that those guys want to go

936
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: right away. But then the flip side of that is,

937
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: what if you go dominate a division two? What if

938
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: you go dominate at the FCS level. You do that

939
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: for a year or two, all of a sudden, you

940
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: know you're starting to see those Power of five schools

941
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: come creeping around on a kid from Weaver Saved or

942
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 2: from Albany or from Buffalo or Buffalo's a G five school.

943
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: You're seeing some of these FCS schools that are now

944
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: losing guys that were stars. You know a Zoo specific

945
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: where I went to school Division two school. It was

946
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: in any High School and I was there. They've been

947
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: in two school. Two years ago. They lost their All

948
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: American receiver who transferred as a grad transfer to Penn State.

949
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: I think he had like six receptions the year he

950
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: was there. He had ninety receptions the year before. But

951
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: the problem is those kids graduate, they now I think

952
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: this is my only pathway to the NFL. The shot

953
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: is going to a Power five school. So they do that,

954
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 2: and now you're going to see the back end those

955
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: scs and G five schools and D two schools paid price.

956
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you an opportunity here because it's

957
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: very easy for you to sit back and look back

958
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: to the last two or three classes and say, I

959
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: thought this guy would be awesome. He was awesome. Turns

960
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: out I was right. It's not that nice to go

961
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: back and say, didn't think this kid was any good.

962
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: I thought he was overrated, and it turns out I

963
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: was right. That's not especially nice to do when a

964
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: lot of people are listening to this show. So I

965
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: want to give you an opportunity here to say, and

966
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: because nobody's ever right about everything, who are some of

967
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: the kids that surprised you have these last two or

968
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: three classes that you were like, look, I thought he

969
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: was going to be fine, or look, I didn't see

970
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: it for whatever reason, and this kid just totally shocked

971
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: me with how good he was a college football player.

972
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I appreciate you letting me go

973
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: with who's been good as a player, because it's a

974
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: lot better than Hey, which guy is your Darryl Scott

975
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: moment of twenty and eighteen nineteen twenty classes? Yeah, I

976
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: don't There's there's a couple guys that I thought we're

977
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: going to be, you know, average players, maybe guys that

978
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: I didn't think we're going to be, you know, superstars

979
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: that I thought we're going to be, you know, just fine.

980
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: I would say probably one of them was. I was

981
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: a big Drake Jackson fan, but like I didn't know.

982
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: Let me preface that by saying his junior year was

983
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: up and down, and that was as much dedicated to

984
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: the just the instability at USC, but he even he

985
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: outplayed what I thought, you know, we had him as

986
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: as a top sixty, top guy. I thought he'd be,

987
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: you know, potential second day pick. He's played himself into

988
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: being a potential first rounder. But he's a guy that

989
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: I fully expected to, you know, be a solid player

990
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: in the PAC twelve. But I didn't think he'd be

991
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: like an elite player.

992
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: Trem mcdonnal.

993
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: I will say he was another guy we were higher

994
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: on than his teammate Christile, but even Tree McDuffie has

995
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: outplayed what my expectations were for him, where he may

996
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: end up being a first round drafting. As a result

997
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: of that, now full disclosure, I will say that there

998
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: were some guys that I was completely wrong on, you know,

999
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: just period, that I thought were going to be really good.

1000
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: One of those was Bru McCoy, and I'll chalk that

1001
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: up to all the off the field issues that he's

1002
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: dealt with, part of them self inflicted, most of them

1003
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: self inflicted, all of them self inflicted. But he's not

1004
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: been the number ten player in the country or the

1005
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: number one player in California, like we thought he was

1006
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: going back. One more guy that I thought would be good.

1007
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: I didn't think he would be uber. Uber elite is

1008
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: Drake London. And you know he was a guy that

1009
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: you know, you and I are both from the same

1010
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: part of southern California. I kind of have a little

1011
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: bit of a special place in my heart for those

1012
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: kids from the Valley in Ventury County. But what Drake

1013
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 2: London did it at see, I never did a million

1014
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: years saw coming.

1015
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: What happened, What happened?

1016
00:46:58,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: What? Like?

1017
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: What didn't he show and how did he get there?

1018
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: Well? I don't think what he didn't show was he

1019
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: didn't show up to a lot of events because he

1020
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: was a hooper. And this was a guy that when

1021
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: he came to the Nike camp he was good. But

1022
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: he was a big time basketball player. His first college

1023
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: offer was a basketball offer from Tony Bennett at Virginia,

1024
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: So that's the kind of caliber basketball player he was.

1025
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: And then he tried to play basketball for a year

1026
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: at SC. But I never thought he would be the

1027
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: player he is now. He had the athleticism, he had

1028
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 2: the tools, but you always thought he was a basketball

1029
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: player first who played football. Now, he's arguably one of

1030
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: the top three receivers in the NFL in the NFL

1031
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: Draft and a player that probably had a very good,

1032
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: strong case to be the Black mc coffe winner before

1033
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: the injury. But he's a player that definitely outplayed it.

1034
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: Going back a year before that too, Chris Alata. We

1035
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: snuck him into the back end of the top two four, seven,

1036
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: but we never expected him to be the player he

1037
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: became at Ohio State. At that time, there was a

1038
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: guy on the other side of it, Jack Tuttle, out

1039
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: of San Diego as well. Seven on seventeen. We thought

1040
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: it was going to be a dude to Utah. It's

1041
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: to Utah. He's out within the first probably two months

1042
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: of school, ends up in Indiana, barely plays, and a

1043
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: lot of the ends up being the star. Jack Tittle

1044
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: ends up making me know, be my Darrel Scott for

1045
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: that class.

1046
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, Brandon Hoffman, I guess the only thing

1047
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: I have left is what are we expecting this next

1048
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: like month and a half ish is what percentage of

1049
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: top kids are still yet to sign? Where do you

1050
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: expect fireworks? Where do you expect quiet? When we have

1051
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: I think about six weeks until the true signing day.

1052
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: I think we're going to see fireworks in College station

1053
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: because I think A and M is going to do

1054
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: a little bit more to lock up the number one class. Wow,

1055
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 2: they're still in the mix heavily for Harold Perkins. They're

1056
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: still in the mix heavily for Shamar Stewart. Two top

1057
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: ten players to go along with Walter Nolan. Evan Stewart's

1058
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: been committed. He hasn't signed yet, but he's the number

1059
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: one research, number two receiver in the country. You also

1060
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: have you know USC. Can they get Dewane Jackson this week?

1061
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: We'll see j Williams announce for them in January? Can

1062
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: they make a lay run to get Cyrus Moss back

1063
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: in the fold? Can they surprisingly surprise everybody and maybe

1064
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: get Hero Canoo? Can they get Josh Connelly out of

1065
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: Seattle with whoever their offensive line higher is. So it's

1066
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: some schools that are doing really well that could just

1067
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: fully solidify this class, texas A and M being the

1068
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: most notable. And then what do the schools with a

1069
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: new coach like an Oregon, like a USC like in

1070
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: Miami do to empties when they can really unleash their

1071
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: coaches on the road.

1072
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: In the month of January, everybody follow Brandon Hoffman sign

1073
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: up twenty four to seven Sports. They do a fantastic job.

1074
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: They are all over the place. The talent there. I

1075
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: mean you brought in Bud Elliott, like, come on, we

1076
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Speaker 1: got a murder's row of recruiting talent and college football talent,

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Speaker 1: college sports talent at twenty four to seven. Brandon, thank

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Speaker 1: you very very much for your time. And I hope

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Speaker 1: you're eating something good tonight. You've earned it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I would be eating from Mali's tonight.

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Speaker 1: Is the time of year. Yes, do you have a

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Speaker 1: preferred filling?

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Speaker 2: I am going to go. You know, I'm always been

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Speaker 2: more of a poork Tomali guy. I don't mind. Must

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Speaker 2: also some chicken Tamali. Sometimes I'll get the Hall of

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Speaker 2: Pango cheddar one just to be really fun. But I'm

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Speaker 2: more of a you know, a pork chieri ver they

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Speaker 2: type of guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I've grew up my soft

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Speaker 1: spot for like a Rajas Tamali just with some leblanos

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Speaker 1: and cheese in there. It hits it for me. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it is. Maybe it's my old age

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Speaker 1: there you can't really go that wrong with a good Tamali.

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Speaker 2: No, you're from southern California. We basically it's the Tamali

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Speaker 2: capital of the United States, where all the good Tamali's

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Speaker 2: come from. So yeah, you to a high standard. So

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Speaker 2: you have to try different Tomali's from different places to

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Speaker 2: see if they hold in the standard. And that's what

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Speaker 2: I did during December, is try Tomali's from everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize the more places I've lived and now,

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Speaker 1: obviously Chicago and New York do really well with Mexican food,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people I've come across don't realize

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Speaker 1: it gets a little bit cold. Oh it's Tamali season.

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Speaker 1: It's Tamali's season. Absolutely, Brandon Hoffman, thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Sam