WEBVTT - Ellie Kemper 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.960 Give us the over attention. We need everything you've got fast. 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:07.000 Waiting on Reparations would be the podcast Tune in every Thursday, 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.920 politics and wordplay. We fight for the people because they 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:12.280 got us in the worst way, from the Hill Cooper, 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:15.600 the Bomb bay Ton, from the left enclave to what 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.480 the neo kanse Every Thursday the heading conversation and to 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:21.239 break us off with some break because we wait in 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:26.160 the reparation. Listen to Waiting on Reparations on I Heart Radio, app, 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:31.840 Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.879 is Ali went Worth hosted Go Ask Alli. My listeners 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.600 want more, so we are digging in comedian Amy Schumer. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.120 As far as cancel culture goes, I think that the 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.120 people who are the most afraid and complaining about cancel 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.600 culture are the ones who are in danger of being canceled, 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.519 and they need to take a look at themselves. I 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.559 agree with you. You know I'm not worried about it 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.519 because I know my intentions and I know that I'm 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.040 like open to evolving. Listen to Go ask Alli every 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.200 Thursday on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.520 wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's de Lipa I'm 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.000 here to tell you about my brand new podcast, Delepa 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.600 at your Service. I'll be sitting down with the world's 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.440 most inspiring minds to uncover what makes them tick and 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.080 what they've learned from the obstacles life has thrown at them, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.560 including Sir Elton John. After a lot of upsets, a 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.320 lot of disappointments, a lot of betrayals, It's turned out 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.760 to be the most wonderful life right now that I've 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.320 could ever imagined. Listen to do Alipa at your Service 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.600 on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:38.399 you get your podcasts. Hi. I'm Ellie Kemper and I 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:49.000 played Aaron Hannon on the Open. Hello there everyone, here, 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:54.520 Here we are. We're back another episode of The Office 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:58.040 Deep Dive. I am your host, Brian bomb Gartner, and 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:03.120 I'm just so happy you're here. So welcome. Uh. Today's 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:10.040 guest is someone really dear to me. I love her 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:15.200 and we share a special bond that only comes after 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.960 one person has sat on the other person's shoulders in 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.080 a pool of lukewarm water for eight hours straight. I 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:26.920 mean we all have that friend, right, Yes, you guessed it. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:32.359 It's Ellie Kemper. Now, listening back to this one, this 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.560 was a bit of a trip for me because I 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:41.679 spoke with Ellie in April of Does anyone remember something 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.240 that was going on in the world around that time? No, 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:50.680 not murder hornets, No, not not Kanye running for president. Now, 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:54.200 it was the early days of the global pandemic known 0:02:54.639 --> 0:03:00.040 as coronavirus. So I talked to Ellie over zoom. This 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.800 was back when zoom was still a new thing. I 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.360 didn't even know what a zoom was at that point, 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:09.760 but you're gonna hear us trying to figure out the 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:16.840 technology talking about quarantine. We were so naive back then. Anyways, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:22.119 enough about that. Let's just focus on our conversation, our 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.520 great conversation, and the great episode that I have for you. 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.840 So sit back, relax, and listen to the soothing sounds 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:41.400 of me and the hilarious Ellie Kemper. Bubble and Squeak. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:48.200 I love it, Bubble and squeak on Bubble and Squeaker 0:03:48.280 --> 0:04:02.560 Cookie every month lift over from the nut before. Am 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:08.800 I in the meeting? Oh Ellie, you are in the meeting. 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.080 Can you hear me? Okay, I actually don't know. I 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.000 can hear me? Okay, can you hear me? Okay, I 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.120 can hear you crystal clear. God, that's so great, Ellie. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.719 It's so nice to hear your voice, Brian, I have 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.200 been looking. It's so nice to hear your voice. I 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.800 have been looking forward to this for many reasons. I mean, 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:33.080 originally this meeting is being recorded. Okay, we got it, 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.120 and I was looking forward to it, of course for 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:42.680 obvious reasons. And now during this unimaginable time, it is 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.960 so nice to hear your voice. I know. Are you 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:49.039 all okay? Yes, we are hungering down. You guys just 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.640 decided to get out of New York. We were actually 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.719 in Montreal when like mid March or whenever everything started 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.000 shutting down, so so we were already out of New York. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.400 We decided better to avoid going back there. So that's 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.200 why we came to see Louis, which is where I'm 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.200 Do you know him from here? Yeah? No, I know, No, 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:10.600 I know Jenna Phillis. Yeah, all of you guys, have 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.760 you seen Phillis or no? Because you're social distancing, social distancing, 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.680 I've seen have you seen I've seen no one. I 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.880 feel like I don't know how to interact with humans. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.640 Anymore beside my family. Is that going to be weird? 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.720 I think it is. Well, we were once going to 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.200 do this in person, we were, but it's so nice 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:34.520 to hear from you, I mean over the phone. Yeah. 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.920 I just can't believe it. Like, what was it two 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:38.280 months ago when we were trying to meet up in 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.120 New York and it seemed like a very normal, Like 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.200 it was just like logistics that gotten the way, But 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.080 it was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to be New York. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.159 Oh great, You're flying to New York on an airplane 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:51.920 with other passengers and I'll meet you down down and 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.800 I'll give you a hug and like lick your palm. Yeah, 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.680 there won't be any issues with those things. No, exactly, 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:03.919 U L So what were you doing? What were you 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.080 doing before the office? What was I doing? Okay, so 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.320 I was about to say very little, but that's not true. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.160 I was doing commercials. That's how I was earning money 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:18.040 through commercials. In terms of I guess creative opportunities. I 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.839 was doing mostly unpaid work at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater, 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.080 and I was doing two person shows and one person 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:30.039 shows and actual improvisation and um. But professionally. It was 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.440 mostly commercials up until that point. I think I had 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.760 I had, like, oh, I I did something on a 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.360 show called Daily Pops, which I think was on MTV. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.080 It was like an eight series, eight episode series. Um, 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.880 I want to say that Kim Kardashian made a cameo, 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.720 and I'm technically Kim Kardashian's co star. I think she 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.600 made a cameo in one of these Daily Pops. You 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.000 work together, We worked together, you worked together inspired her. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.600 But yes, um, I mean obviously The Office was my 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:06.520 enormously big break. Did you watch The Office, Brian did? 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.000 I watched The Office. I devoured The Office. I was 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.280 an enormous Office fan. You don't know what this is 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.800 like because obviously you were on it from the start. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.480 But I loved The Office. I watched it every week. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.559 It's very strange to go from watching a television show 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.240 that you happen to love and then being in the 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:29.000 room with everybody. I actually the first day, of course, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.560 felt surreal for many reasons. But it's it's weird when 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.520 you I think maybe anyone has had this experience. If 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.440 you watch someone on a screen and then you see 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.840 them in person, it feels otherworldly, and particularly because I 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.280 already loved everyone on it and admired them so much, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.560 it felt even stranger because yeah, I was a huge fan. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.880 It's very weird. I really tried to play it cool. Well, So, wait, literally, 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.440 you watched it Thursday night? Yes, yes, I did. I 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.000 lived in New York at the time, and we always 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.080 my my whole family was out of the Office. Have 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.160 I told you that mos Mike Sure reminded us of 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.040 my older brother John college, like when John was in college, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:08.920 So we had like a big joke about that. But yeah, 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:10.679 I lived in New York and I watched The Office 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:15.400 every Thursday. And had you met Alison Jones before? No, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:22.480 So I met with Greg and Mike, Greg Daniels and 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.720 Mike Sure. I think I was meeting with them for 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.480 Parks and Recreation. This was before Parks and Recreation was 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.400 had aired, and I think that's what it was about. 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.480 I really don't know. It was sort of just a 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:36.040 general hello. And after that I met Alison when I 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.320 actually read for Parks and Recreation, which it wasn't called 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.959 Parks and Recreation, it was like untitled Make Sure Project. 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.000 And then I didn't get a part on Parks and Recreation. 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.040 But then they called me back later for the office 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.680 and your first day on set? Were you nervous? I 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:56.120 was so nervous. I first, okay, I can't remember the 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.880 actual very first person I met. I remember telling John Krasinski, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.760 who I had read was an intern at Conan and 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.720 I had been an Internet Conan because my first scene, 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.840 John is making a Jim Jim, excuse me, it's making 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.520 a copy at the copy machine, and I'm like sitting 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.600 there and I was like, like, in between takes, I 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.760 was like, so, um, yeah, um, you've in turn to Conan? Right? 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.800 Why did I feel they need to strike up conversation? 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.160 I am the new person. I think I should stay 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.280 quiet until spoken to. But I was unusually bold and 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.880 he said, oh, yeah, you know Conan and I said 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:36.760 I had turned there too. That was it. I don't 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.839 know if somebody walked away, somebody saved me, because I 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.760 wouldn't have. I wouldn't have kept that conversation going very well. 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.200 And then and then the big news Brian, I had 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.320 to dye my hair that day. I have red hair, 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:48.719 and as soon as I got there, they were like, 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.440 you have to dye your hair brown and I remember, Mindy, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.440 I saw in the morning, and I saw in the afternoon, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.319 and I had brown hair in the afternoon, and she said, 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.000 why did you let them do that? I would never 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:02.480 let anyone dye my hair like, uh, because in my 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:07.200 first jobs ever, they can do whatever they want. Anyway, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.920 why did they dye your hair? Well, you know, I 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.480 still don't know. I think the reason was they said 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.840 it looked that this new character's hair looked too close 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:19.160 to Pam's color. But I Pam, never Jenna. But I 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.560 mean the character Pam. Pam didn't have red hair, did 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:26.600 she like? Was it jest study? Yeah, I guess I'm 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.360 not real good at hair. I'll be honest with you, honestly. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.480 Apparently neither of mind. But anyway, Yeah, first day memories 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:37.160 are sort of blurry because I was so I don't know, 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.200 I don't think you can relate to this feeling, because, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:40.600 like I said, you were there from the start, but 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.319 it was just so it was first day of school, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.400 but to the millions of degree because it was like 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.280 I already I'm like in awe of all these people, 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.240 and I'm the new girl. Don't mess anything up. Yeah, 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.360 I did fairly recently, actually, I had a similar experience. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.520 It was not such a CULTI show, but being a 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.840 guest are is a very difficult thing. It doesn't matter 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:07.720 who you are. It's tough. It's tough. It's just because you, 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.320 like you just said, it doesn't matter who you are, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.760 because in that moment, you're the guests, and so it's 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:18.360 like their home. And so I think it's nerve wrecking 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.280 to start any new job, but when it's already in 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.240 motion and you're the you're the thing that's being added, 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.880 it's totally nerve wracking. And especially I don't know what 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.600 your arc was like they for The Office, it was 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.760 written as a four episode arc, So I felt like, Okay, 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.880 this is finite amount of time, and you want to 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:41.720 do an excellent job, but you also want to be 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.600 deferential to the people who have already you know, the 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.600 regular cast, like the family that's already there, right, So 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:49.960 that's what I was going to ask you. So when 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.480 you showed up, it was originally just for four episodes, 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.280 that was that was what your understanding was. That was 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.360 my understanding. Pam was going to work at the Michael 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:01.520 Scott Paper Company and they needed a temporary receptionist in 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.200 the meantime, and then Pam ended up getting promoted to 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.880 salesperson and that's why my character state which I couldn't 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.040 believe that that had happened, but yes, that's how I 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.280 have always perceived it. I think that's what happened. And 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.760 when did you get an idea that you might be 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.960 around a little bit longer? I truly think because it 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.920 was ow Man Brian, I was worried this wou happened. 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:24.640 I was like, I don't know if this happens to you. 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.199 I'm like along by my memory sometimes because it can 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:34.080 be so fuzzy. Okay, few it's bad, and like right now, 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.880 I can't remember if those four episodes were the last 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.880 four episodes of that season or if there were a 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.840 few more. Maybe they added it right, it was the end. 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.560 I didn't find out until that season had wrapped that 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.040 they were going to keep my character on, So I 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.800 don't think I got any angling that it might be 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.800 longer than four episodes. I think it was just like, okay, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.040 just do this for a month and then get out 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.320 without messing anything up. Well, I want to share with 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.240 you something that Claire Scanlon actually told me. What Claire 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.040 said was that a lot of people would come in 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:10.000 and it was basically up four to six episode audition. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:16.520 And she remembers watching you in one of your early 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:22.200 episodes and you had some scenes with Steve, and she 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:26.800 remembers in the editing bay watching that and saying to herself, Oh, 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.880 she's going to be around for a while. Oh, you're 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:37.160 gonna make me right. That is That's the sweetest compliment. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:42.760 That's the biggest compliment, because there's no higher praise and 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.360 something like that, because I so admire the work that 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.560 you guys do and how you set up the show. 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.439 So anyway, that's very kind of you this year with me. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.880 But of course you the actor never feel sure of 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.840 anything because he's like, this could all go away tomorrow. 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.679 What do you think that Aaron, the character of Aaron 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:08.960 brought to the office. Well, I feel, you know, I 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.000 felt like my own difficulty was playing Aaron would just 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.640 be that some of the things she said were so 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:18.720 cartoony and so uh sort of cartoony, I think is 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:20.760 the word. Because I don't want to say she was 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:22.440 flaky or did see or anything like that, because I 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.280 do think she was smart. But she said a lot 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.360 of things that a more grounded person wouldn't say. At 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.000 the same time, you know, she had these very serious 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.640 arcs with Michael and these serious arcs with Andy, and 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.800 you know, there was some real depth to this character. 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.720 And so I felt like what she brought to the 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.920 office was deferently some levity. She was such such an 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:49.480 odd bird, but that she also um, I hope she 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.800 brought some sweetness. And I think she wanted to be 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.720 very good at her job, and she was very earnest 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.960 about it. But I also think that unintentionally she was 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.960 sort of funny, not not knowing that she was being funny, 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:05.160 because you know, not totally grounded, right. I think Paul 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:09.040 fig directed one of your first episodes, and he talks 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.320 about directing a talking head that you were giving, and 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.880 he was taken with you and your energy and the 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.960 character and how different it was from everybody else on 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:24.160 the show. It's a bunch of disgruntled, put upon office 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.360 workers that are you know, I have to deal with 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.960 this crazy boss that makes them crazy, and all they 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:31.760 want to do is punch in and punch out and 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.320 go home. And why would anyone want to work in 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:39.000 a paper company? Whereas Aaron's energy was very positive and 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:43.480 she just loved being there. Yes, that I feel, and 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.640 you hit it on the head. You know. Family maybe 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.040 a little bit over it, Oscar maybe over it, but 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.600 Aaron lived for it. She loved being there. Like you 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.600 can imagine her getting ready for work in the morning. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.720 She wanted to excel at her jobs. You wanted to 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.120 do a very good job, you know. I believe, within 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.160 like thirty seconds in the audience, meeting this new character, 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.080 she agrees to go by her middle names, like yeah, yeah, 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:11.080 I'll go by Aaron, like she just wanted to be there. Right. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:15.280 It occurs to me, however, that Aaron agrees to change 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.400 her name on the first day, and you agreed to 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.160 change your hair color on the first day. This is 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.400 where I get worried, because you're right, and I worry 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:30.080 some things Aaron would say. I'm like the writer, are 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:34.720 is making fun of me? Ellie here, I might say 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:40.480 something that dum do. You could not be more And 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.000 I'm sure when people meet you they assume, oh, he's 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.400 going to be like Kevin, when you are the polar 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:50.880 opposite of Kevin, like the polar opposite. Well, I feel 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:55.320 like i'm a little sim more. Well, you're infectious energy, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:17:00.880 Oh good, wow, and positivity positivity. I hope that I 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.200 share Parens positivity. But yeah, how what do you think? 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.720 I feel like there's some characters in casts who do 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.719 sort of overlap a bit. I mean, I know this 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.359 is that you were asking the questions, but I feel 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:17.080 like you overlap with Kevin not at all. I hope 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:21.280 the least see the least. I hope, I hope the least. 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:26.359 Is there anything? I don't think there's anything anyway. I well, 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:31.800 I enjoy sports, there's something, yes, And I might be 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:46.520 a little childlike at times. Well who is. It's a 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.119 hard time for hiring, So you need a hiring partner 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:55.040 built for hard times. That's Indeed. 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So you had a 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:40.239 number of relationships throughout the show. I mean probably in 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.359 some ways your your central relationship you brought up is 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:48.240 was your relationship with Michael. It's almost a father daughter 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.240 thing going on in a way, as like a mentor 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.280 someone you look up to. You're probably the only character 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.000 that looks up to Michael Scott like she never felt 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:02.080 like beaten down by him or rolled her eyes at him, 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.439 you know what I mean, Oh my gosh. No, on 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:08.879 the contrary, she she adored him like he was I 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.720 think an inspiration to her and just like he was 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:15.480 just the tops I think to Aaron, because I remember 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:19.960 when Aaron meets Holly, She's just like so it's almost 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:23.520 like she's territorial. She's like, this is the lady who's 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:27.119 stealing Michael's heart. She she's just so skeptical of this 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.800 woman because she feels like no one is good enough 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:36.560 for Michael Scott, which is really funny, and it definitely 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.960 felt like a father daughter relationship. I thought it was 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:42.200 very tender and very sweet and very well written. The 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:46.720 way they the writers crafted that whole relationship was it 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:52.840 was really sweet. Why do you think they bonded all? 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:54.480 To use your word, I think they are both a 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.720 little childlike. I mean, you're word about something else entirely 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.520 was just a word. I just heard that. I said, 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:02.840 you didn't describe it as a child like what you 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.240 just said? That word and now I love it. I 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.840 think that they both are a little childlike. I think 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:12.040 that they're they're both odd. And I think that um, 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.560 Aaron didn't have and she never ever had a stable 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:19.280 frontal figure in her life, and certainly not a strong 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.080 male figure in her life, and I think that she 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.879 found that in Michael. I mean, just by definition he 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.239 was her boss. I think there was this thing of 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.600 like admiring him and looking up to him. But that 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:31.800 also when she got to know him a little, I 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.160 think that she I think he was kind to her. 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:36.440 I don't think he I don't want to say mistreated, 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:39.880 but I think he was like fair and respectful to her, 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:42.320 and so I think she just sort of clung to that, 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.719 and like I said, I mean, well, although my favorite 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:50.000 episode for Aaron is Secretary's Day and when she when 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.840 Aaron is like even weirding out Michael, she like out 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:56.240 weird Michael Scott. They're having lunch together and Michael just 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.920 can't take it anymore because She's so strange. That's when 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.399 I felt like, oh wow. Also, yeah, so even he 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:05.840 seems much more grounded in this in this world than 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.400 she is. That was one of the best days of 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:11.879 my life that I just remember. We we sat that 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.520 restaurant scene on a Friday, and I was like, I 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:17.240 couldn't believe how lucky it was to be able to 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:19.439 be in a scene speaker al like that that It 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:23.160