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Speaker 1: played Aaron Hannon on the Open. Hello there everyone, here,
Speaker 1: Here we are. We're back another episode of The Office
Speaker 1: Deep Dive. I am your host, Brian bomb Gartner, and
Speaker 1: I'm just so happy you're here. So welcome. Uh. Today's
Speaker 1: guest is someone really dear to me. I love her
Speaker 1: and we share a special bond that only comes after
Speaker 1: one person has sat on the other person's shoulders in
Speaker 1: a pool of lukewarm water for eight hours straight. I
Speaker 1: mean we all have that friend, right, Yes, you guessed it.
Speaker 1: It's Ellie Kemper. Now, listening back to this one, this
Speaker 1: was a bit of a trip for me because I
Speaker 1: spoke with Ellie in April of Does anyone remember something
Speaker 1: that was going on in the world around that time? No,
Speaker 1: not murder hornets, No, not not Kanye running for president. Now,
Speaker 1: it was the early days of the global pandemic known
Speaker 1: as coronavirus. So I talked to Ellie over zoom. This
Speaker 1: was back when zoom was still a new thing. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know what a zoom was at that point,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna hear us trying to figure out the
Speaker 1: technology talking about quarantine. We were so naive back then. Anyways,
Speaker 1: enough about that. Let's just focus on our conversation, our
Speaker 1: great conversation, and the great episode that I have for you.
Speaker 1: So sit back, relax, and listen to the soothing sounds
Speaker 1: of me and the hilarious Ellie Kemper. Bubble and Squeak.
Speaker 1: I love it, Bubble and squeak on Bubble and Squeaker
Speaker 1: Cookie every month lift over from the nut before. Am
Speaker 1: I in the meeting? Oh Ellie, you are in the meeting.
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Okay, I actually don't know. I
Speaker 1: can hear me? Okay, can you hear me? Okay, I
Speaker 1: can hear you crystal clear. God, that's so great, Ellie.
Speaker 1: It's so nice to hear your voice, Brian, I have
Speaker 1: been looking. It's so nice to hear your voice. I
Speaker 1: have been looking forward to this for many reasons. I mean,
Speaker 1: originally this meeting is being recorded. Okay, we got it,
Speaker 1: and I was looking forward to it, of course for
Speaker 1: obvious reasons. And now during this unimaginable time, it is
Speaker 1: so nice to hear your voice. I know. Are you
Speaker 1: all okay? Yes, we are hungering down. You guys just
Speaker 1: decided to get out of New York. We were actually
Speaker 1: in Montreal when like mid March or whenever everything started
Speaker 1: shutting down, so so we were already out of New York.
Speaker 1: We decided better to avoid going back there. So that's
Speaker 1: why we came to see Louis, which is where I'm
Speaker 1: Do you know him from here? Yeah? No, I know, No,
Speaker 1: I know Jenna Phillis. Yeah, all of you guys, have
Speaker 1: you seen Phillis or no? Because you're social distancing, social distancing,
Speaker 1: I've seen have you seen I've seen no one. I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't know how to interact with humans.
Speaker 1: Anymore beside my family. Is that going to be weird?
Speaker 1: I think it is. Well, we were once going to
Speaker 1: do this in person, we were, but it's so nice
Speaker 1: to hear from you, I mean over the phone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just can't believe it. Like, what was it two
Speaker 1: months ago when we were trying to meet up in
Speaker 1: New York and it seemed like a very normal, Like
Speaker 1: it was just like logistics that gotten the way, But
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to be New York.
Speaker 1: Oh great, You're flying to New York on an airplane
Speaker 1: with other passengers and I'll meet you down down and
Speaker 1: I'll give you a hug and like lick your palm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there won't be any issues with those things. No, exactly,
Speaker 1: U L So what were you doing? What were you
Speaker 1: doing before the office? What was I doing? Okay, so
Speaker 1: I was about to say very little, but that's not true.
Speaker 1: I was doing commercials. That's how I was earning money
Speaker 1: through commercials. In terms of I guess creative opportunities. I
Speaker 1: was doing mostly unpaid work at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater,
Speaker 1: and I was doing two person shows and one person
Speaker 1: shows and actual improvisation and um. But professionally. It was
Speaker 1: mostly commercials up until that point. I think I had
Speaker 1: I had, like, oh, I I did something on a
Speaker 1: show called Daily Pops, which I think was on MTV.
Speaker 1: It was like an eight series, eight episode series. Um,
Speaker 1: I want to say that Kim Kardashian made a cameo,
Speaker 1: and I'm technically Kim Kardashian's co star. I think she
Speaker 1: made a cameo in one of these Daily Pops. You
Speaker 1: work together, We worked together, you worked together inspired her.
Speaker 1: But yes, um, I mean obviously The Office was my
Speaker 1: enormously big break. Did you watch The Office, Brian did?
Speaker 1: I watched The Office. I devoured The Office. I was
Speaker 1: an enormous Office fan. You don't know what this is
Speaker 1: like because obviously you were on it from the start.
Speaker 1: But I loved The Office. I watched it every week.
Speaker 1: It's very strange to go from watching a television show
Speaker 1: that you happen to love and then being in the
Speaker 1: room with everybody. I actually the first day, of course,
Speaker 1: felt surreal for many reasons. But it's it's weird when
Speaker 1: you I think maybe anyone has had this experience. If
Speaker 1: you watch someone on a screen and then you see
Speaker 1: them in person, it feels otherworldly, and particularly because I
Speaker 1: already loved everyone on it and admired them so much,
Speaker 1: it felt even stranger because yeah, I was a huge fan.
Speaker 1: It's very weird. I really tried to play it cool. Well, So, wait, literally,
Speaker 1: you watched it Thursday night? Yes, yes, I did. I
Speaker 1: lived in New York at the time, and we always
Speaker 1: my my whole family was out of the Office. Have
Speaker 1: I told you that mos Mike Sure reminded us of
Speaker 1: my older brother John college, like when John was in college,
Speaker 1: So we had like a big joke about that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I lived in New York and I watched The Office
Speaker 1: every Thursday. And had you met Alison Jones before? No,
Speaker 1: So I met with Greg and Mike, Greg Daniels and
Speaker 1: Mike Sure. I think I was meeting with them for
Speaker 1: Parks and Recreation. This was before Parks and Recreation was
Speaker 1: had aired, and I think that's what it was about.
Speaker 1: I really don't know. It was sort of just a
Speaker 1: general hello. And after that I met Alison when I
Speaker 1: actually read for Parks and Recreation, which it wasn't called
Speaker 1: Parks and Recreation, it was like untitled Make Sure Project.
Speaker 1: And then I didn't get a part on Parks and Recreation.
Speaker 1: But then they called me back later for the office
Speaker 1: and your first day on set? Were you nervous? I
Speaker 1: was so nervous. I first, okay, I can't remember the
Speaker 1: actual very first person I met. I remember telling John Krasinski,
Speaker 1: who I had read was an intern at Conan and
Speaker 1: I had been an Internet Conan because my first scene,
Speaker 1: John is making a Jim Jim, excuse me, it's making
Speaker 1: a copy at the copy machine, and I'm like sitting
Speaker 1: there and I was like, like, in between takes, I
Speaker 1: was like, so, um, yeah, um, you've in turn to Conan? Right?
Speaker 1: Why did I feel they need to strike up conversation?
Speaker 1: I am the new person. I think I should stay
Speaker 1: quiet until spoken to. But I was unusually bold and
Speaker 1: he said, oh, yeah, you know Conan and I said
Speaker 1: I had turned there too. That was it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if somebody walked away, somebody saved me, because I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have. I wouldn't have kept that conversation going very well.
Speaker 1: And then and then the big news Brian, I had
Speaker 1: to dye my hair that day. I have red hair,
Speaker 1: and as soon as I got there, they were like,
Speaker 1: you have to dye your hair brown and I remember, Mindy,
Speaker 1: I saw in the morning, and I saw in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: and I had brown hair in the afternoon, and she said,
Speaker 1: why did you let them do that? I would never
Speaker 1: let anyone dye my hair like, uh, because in my
Speaker 1: first jobs ever, they can do whatever they want. Anyway,
Speaker 1: why did they dye your hair? Well, you know, I
Speaker 1: still don't know. I think the reason was they said
Speaker 1: it looked that this new character's hair looked too close
Speaker 1: to Pam's color. But I Pam, never Jenna. But I
Speaker 1: mean the character Pam. Pam didn't have red hair, did
Speaker 1: she like? Was it jest study? Yeah, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: not real good at hair. I'll be honest with you, honestly.
Speaker 1: Apparently neither of mind. But anyway, Yeah, first day memories
Speaker 1: are sort of blurry because I was so I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can relate to this feeling, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, you were there from the start, but
Speaker 1: it was just so it was first day of school,
Speaker 1: but to the millions of degree because it was like
Speaker 1: I already I'm like in awe of all these people,
Speaker 1: and I'm the new girl. Don't mess anything up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did fairly recently, actually, I had a similar experience.
Speaker 1: It was not such a CULTI show, but being a
Speaker 1: guest are is a very difficult thing. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: who you are. It's tough. It's tough. It's just because you,
Speaker 1: like you just said, it doesn't matter who you are,
Speaker 1: because in that moment, you're the guests, and so it's
Speaker 1: like their home. And so I think it's nerve wrecking
Speaker 1: to start any new job, but when it's already in
Speaker 1: motion and you're the you're the thing that's being added,
Speaker 1: it's totally nerve wracking. And especially I don't know what
Speaker 1: your arc was like they for The Office, it was
Speaker 1: written as a four episode arc, So I felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is finite amount of time, and you want to
Speaker 1: do an excellent job, but you also want to be
Speaker 1: deferential to the people who have already you know, the
Speaker 1: regular cast, like the family that's already there, right, So
Speaker 1: that's what I was going to ask you. So when
Speaker 1: you showed up, it was originally just for four episodes,
Speaker 1: that was that was what your understanding was. That was
Speaker 1: my understanding. Pam was going to work at the Michael
Speaker 1: Scott Paper Company and they needed a temporary receptionist in
Speaker 1: the meantime, and then Pam ended up getting promoted to
Speaker 1: salesperson and that's why my character state which I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe that that had happened, but yes, that's how I
Speaker 1: have always perceived it. I think that's what happened. And
Speaker 1: when did you get an idea that you might be
Speaker 1: around a little bit longer? I truly think because it
Speaker 1: was ow Man Brian, I was worried this wou happened.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if this happens to you.
Speaker 1: I'm like along by my memory sometimes because it can
Speaker 1: be so fuzzy. Okay, few it's bad, and like right now,
Speaker 1: I can't remember if those four episodes were the last
Speaker 1: four episodes of that season or if there were a
Speaker 1: few more. Maybe they added it right, it was the end.
Speaker 1: I didn't find out until that season had wrapped that
Speaker 1: they were going to keep my character on, So I
Speaker 1: don't think I got any angling that it might be
Speaker 1: longer than four episodes. I think it was just like, okay,
Speaker 1: just do this for a month and then get out
Speaker 1: without messing anything up. Well, I want to share with
Speaker 1: you something that Claire Scanlon actually told me. What Claire
Speaker 1: said was that a lot of people would come in
Speaker 1: and it was basically up four to six episode audition.
Speaker 1: And she remembers watching you in one of your early
Speaker 1: episodes and you had some scenes with Steve, and she
Speaker 1: remembers in the editing bay watching that and saying to herself, Oh,
Speaker 1: she's going to be around for a while. Oh, you're
Speaker 1: gonna make me right. That is That's the sweetest compliment.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest compliment, because there's no higher praise and
Speaker 1: something like that, because I so admire the work that
Speaker 1: you guys do and how you set up the show.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's very kind of you this year with me.
Speaker 1: But of course you the actor never feel sure of
Speaker 1: anything because he's like, this could all go away tomorrow.
Speaker 1: What do you think that Aaron, the character of Aaron
Speaker 1: brought to the office. Well, I feel, you know, I
Speaker 1: felt like my own difficulty was playing Aaron would just
Speaker 1: be that some of the things she said were so
Speaker 1: cartoony and so uh sort of cartoony, I think is
Speaker 1: the word. Because I don't want to say she was
Speaker 1: flaky or did see or anything like that, because I
Speaker 1: do think she was smart. But she said a lot
Speaker 1: of things that a more grounded person wouldn't say. At
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, she had these very serious
Speaker 1: arcs with Michael and these serious arcs with Andy, and
Speaker 1: you know, there was some real depth to this character.
Speaker 1: And so I felt like what she brought to the
Speaker 1: office was deferently some levity. She was such such an
Speaker 1: odd bird, but that she also um, I hope she
Speaker 1: brought some sweetness. And I think she wanted to be
Speaker 1: very good at her job, and she was very earnest
Speaker 1: about it. But I also think that unintentionally she was
Speaker 1: sort of funny, not not knowing that she was being funny,
Speaker 1: because you know, not totally grounded, right. I think Paul
Speaker 1: fig directed one of your first episodes, and he talks
Speaker 1: about directing a talking head that you were giving, and
Speaker 1: he was taken with you and your energy and the
Speaker 1: character and how different it was from everybody else on
Speaker 1: the show. It's a bunch of disgruntled, put upon office
Speaker 1: workers that are you know, I have to deal with
Speaker 1: this crazy boss that makes them crazy, and all they
Speaker 1: want to do is punch in and punch out and
Speaker 1: go home. And why would anyone want to work in
Speaker 1: a paper company? Whereas Aaron's energy was very positive and
Speaker 1: she just loved being there. Yes, that I feel, and
Speaker 1: you hit it on the head. You know. Family maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit over it, Oscar maybe over it, but
Speaker 1: Aaron lived for it. She loved being there. Like you
Speaker 1: can imagine her getting ready for work in the morning.
Speaker 1: She wanted to excel at her jobs. You wanted to
Speaker 1: do a very good job, you know. I believe, within
Speaker 1: like thirty seconds in the audience, meeting this new character,
Speaker 1: she agrees to go by her middle names, like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll go by Aaron, like she just wanted to be there. Right.
Speaker 1: It occurs to me, however, that Aaron agrees to change
Speaker 1: her name on the first day, and you agreed to
Speaker 1: change your hair color on the first day. This is
Speaker 1: where I get worried, because you're right, and I worry
Speaker 1: some things Aaron would say. I'm like the writer, are
Speaker 1: is making fun of me? Ellie here, I might say
Speaker 1: something that dum do. You could not be more And
Speaker 1: I'm sure when people meet you they assume, oh, he's
Speaker 1: going to be like Kevin, when you are the polar
Speaker 1: opposite of Kevin, like the polar opposite. Well, I feel
Speaker 1: like i'm a little sim more. Well, you're infectious energy,
Speaker 1: Oh good, wow, and positivity positivity. I hope that I
Speaker 1: share Parens positivity. But yeah, how what do you think?
Speaker 1: I feel like there's some characters in casts who do
Speaker 1: sort of overlap a bit. I mean, I know this
Speaker 1: is that you were asking the questions, but I feel
Speaker 1: like you overlap with Kevin not at all. I hope
Speaker 1: the least see the least. I hope, I hope the least.
Speaker 1: Is there anything? I don't think there's anything anyway. I well,
Speaker 1: I enjoy sports, there's something, yes, And I might be
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Speaker 1: wherever you get your favorite shows. So you had a
Speaker 1: number of relationships throughout the show. I mean probably in
Speaker 1: some ways your your central relationship you brought up is
Speaker 1: was your relationship with Michael. It's almost a father daughter
Speaker 1: thing going on in a way, as like a mentor
Speaker 1: someone you look up to. You're probably the only character
Speaker 1: that looks up to Michael Scott like she never felt
Speaker 1: like beaten down by him or rolled her eyes at him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Oh my gosh. No, on
Speaker 1: the contrary, she she adored him like he was I
Speaker 1: think an inspiration to her and just like he was
Speaker 1: just the tops I think to Aaron, because I remember
Speaker 1: when Aaron meets Holly, She's just like so it's almost
Speaker 1: like she's territorial. She's like, this is the lady who's
Speaker 1: stealing Michael's heart. She she's just so skeptical of this
Speaker 1: woman because she feels like no one is good enough
Speaker 1: for Michael Scott, which is really funny, and it definitely
Speaker 1: felt like a father daughter relationship. I thought it was
Speaker 1: very tender and very sweet and very well written. The
Speaker 1: way they the writers crafted that whole relationship was it
Speaker 1: was really sweet. Why do you think they bonded all?
Speaker 1: To use your word, I think they are both a
Speaker 1: little childlike. I mean, you're word about something else entirely
Speaker 1: was just a word. I just heard that. I said,
Speaker 1: you didn't describe it as a child like what you
Speaker 1: just said? That word and now I love it. I
Speaker 1: think that they both are a little childlike. I think
Speaker 1: that they're they're both odd. And I think that um,
Speaker 1: Aaron didn't have and she never ever had a stable
Speaker 1: frontal figure in her life, and certainly not a strong
Speaker 1: male figure in her life, and I think that she
Speaker 1: found that in Michael. I mean, just by definition he
Speaker 1: was her boss. I think there was this thing of
Speaker 1: like admiring him and looking up to him. But that
Speaker 1: also when she got to know him a little, I
Speaker 1: think that she I think he was kind to her.
Speaker 1: I don't think he I don't want to say mistreated,
Speaker 1: but I think he was like fair and respectful to her,
Speaker 1: and so I think she just sort of clung to that,
Speaker 1: and like I said, I mean, well, although my favorite
Speaker 1: episode for Aaron is Secretary's Day and when she when
Speaker 1: Aaron is like even weirding out Michael, she like out
Speaker 1: weird Michael Scott. They're having lunch together and Michael just
Speaker 1: can't take it anymore because She's so strange. That's when
Speaker 1: I felt like, oh wow. Also, yeah, so even he
Speaker 1: seems much more grounded in this in this world than
Speaker 1: she is. That was one of the best days of
Speaker 1: my life that I just remember. We we sat that
Speaker 1: restaurant scene on a Friday, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe how lucky it was to be able to
Speaker 1: be in a scene speaker al like that that It
Speaker 1: was just MINDI wrote it, and I believe Steve directed
Speaker 1: that episode and it was just like the real because like,
Speaker 1: who on the planet is like and there's no one really.
Speaker 1: So yeah, again, you started from day one, so I
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever had that feeling of like
Speaker 1: did it all Wait? Well, I will do my separate
Speaker 1: interview with you where I asked the question, but I'm
Speaker 1: so curious to know how it felt to you, guys,
Speaker 1: because I had such a different experience. Obviously, because I
Speaker 1: came into it midway and it was like, my whole
Speaker 1: time there felt like I felt a little bit giddy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if if you had that you were
Speaker 1: there from the beginning. Well, if you listen to this podcast,
Speaker 1: then you will at the full detailed answer, but the
Speaker 1: short the short answer would be nobody was famous before
Speaker 1: it started, and nobody nobody knew enough. But immediately his
Speaker 1: ability to improv in the moment on topic is I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think he's maybe the best person on
Speaker 1: the planet at that Oh I do too. And to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, Brian, sometimes when like the director
Speaker 1: would say, okay, now you know, like fun run whatever,
Speaker 1: I was like, guys, I would think to myself, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, let's just let Steve have a fun run
Speaker 1: because he's um. Do you think that you sorry? Do
Speaker 1: you think that Aaron and Andy were a good match?
Speaker 1: I never thought so. Is that terrible to say? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I felt like and he was a bit
Speaker 1: too childish. I don't think he was ready to um
Speaker 1: take care of Aaron the way she needed to be.
Speaker 1: And I and I think Aaron was ready to take
Speaker 1: care of him. But I felt like it was uneven
Speaker 1: in that respect. So yeah, I I I love Ed.
Speaker 1: I love that we got to be in so many
Speaker 1: scenes together, but that actual it never felt quite fair
Speaker 1: to me. That relationship. I feel like it was uneven. Well.
Speaker 1: And then she chose to Gabe. Was he a better match?
Speaker 1: Who should Aaron be with? I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was a better match. And I
Speaker 1: adore Zach, but I do not. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: a very strange mass. And then I also felt like
Speaker 1: with Jake Lacey, I didn't feel that was quite right either.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like she I don't know
Speaker 1: who Aaron should be with, but someone like odd but
Speaker 1: also able to take Again, when I say take care
Speaker 1: of her, I don't mean she needs to be taken
Speaker 1: care of, but I mean how a couple takes care
Speaker 1: of each other. So I don't know. I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like she have quite got the right match in that show.
Speaker 1: Do you know that I pitched Kevin and Aaron getting together, Ah, Bryan,
Speaker 1: I think that would be a pretty reasonable relationship. I
Speaker 1: went up to the writer's room and I said, if
Speaker 1: Kevin could mature just a little, there was something about
Speaker 1: their energy that I thought was right. It's almost like
Speaker 1: the static being and the hummingbird that goes around, but
Speaker 1: somehow still their energies matched in a weird way that
Speaker 1: actually makes perfect sense to me. I love that pitch.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I wasn't there for it. I should have
Speaker 1: should have called you Anne. What I had in that writer? Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever went to the writer's room.
Speaker 1: What did you have? Any favorite moments? Some of the
Speaker 1: favorite things when and really, like you know, like lived
Speaker 1: out how crazy she was. I loved those moments. I
Speaker 1: loved Cafe Disco. I loved that episode. I loved Dancing
Speaker 1: with Mindy and it was just like a weird episode
Speaker 1: that was so funny. I loved that episode. And um,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I loved the bus episode directed by
Speaker 1: Brian Cranston. Brian, you remember we all almost died? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we almost were given carbon monoxide poisoning to name one
Speaker 1: of many ways we almost died. I at the time,
Speaker 1: I don't think I was enjoying it, And now in retrospect,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that was fun. Um Oh, Brian, You'll remember
Speaker 1: I went my pants on that bus during the Shibuya
Speaker 1: roll call. Um it was like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you guys were doing, but I got a case of
Speaker 1: the giggles and I went my pants and I was like,
Speaker 1: how long can I had this first? I just fessed
Speaker 1: up right away. And I did fess up right away,
Speaker 1: and all the ladies were like, oh, you need know
Speaker 1: the skirt, Like nobody was face and literally all the
Speaker 1: guys because I had said it sort of loudly because
Speaker 1: there was no word to the guys, didn't understand it.
Speaker 1: But the women, the ladies had my back. Um, how
Speaker 1: do you feel like things changed with Steve leaving? Oh?
Speaker 1: My gosh, O wait, sorry, a baby is crying. It's
Speaker 1: the monitor. I'm going to turn down the bit I
Speaker 1: promised someone is watching the baby. Isn't it scary how
Speaker 1: you can just turn down the monitor and then it's like,
Speaker 1: the baby isn't crying anymore. That my husband's blessing I swear. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing how upset I was about Steve leaving. And
Speaker 1: I feel like there was one moment when my grain
Speaker 1: was like, why are you sad? Because I was like,
Speaker 1: I think how long? I guess he was on for
Speaker 1: two seasons while I was there, and then there were
Speaker 1: two seasons? Were there two seasons after he left? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's not like I shared nearly the amount of
Speaker 1: time that you guys did with him, but I felt
Speaker 1: so it felt like a very bitter sweet time. I
Speaker 1: don't know how did you feel, Oh, I was incredibly difficult.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you say, what do you think? What do
Speaker 1: you think the greater loss was. It's not a trick question, Okay,
Speaker 1: Steve or Michael Ryant? That's a very good question. Oh well,
Speaker 1: of course I have to say Steve because he was
Speaker 1: such a leader, and he was such a quiet leader,
Speaker 1: and he was the backbone of the whole show, and
Speaker 1: so you know, he was just like hard working, never complained, kind, quiet,
Speaker 1: did his job, generous, selfless. I feel like he's the
Speaker 1: supreme example of how a person should behave And so
Speaker 1: it was of course an enormous loss when he left.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody carried on, Okay, it's not like everybody
Speaker 1: went crazy. But who was it? I feel like, um,
Speaker 1: it was Kelly Cantley, one of our assistant directors for
Speaker 1: those of you just joining us at the end, and
Speaker 1: she said something like I think it was her who
Speaker 1: said that he kept everyone, and like he was the
Speaker 1: head duck and he kept all the little duck laings
Speaker 1: in line. And it's true, like when he was gone,
Speaker 1: I feel like, okay, well Dad's not here, and maybe
Speaker 1: you know, people wouldn't come to set right on time
Speaker 1: or whatever, like a little very tiny transgressions. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like that was a real that was an
Speaker 1: energy that was really you know lost. But yes, as
Speaker 1: an office I feel like Michael was when he was
Speaker 1: a backbone of that workplace as well. So of course
Speaker 1: the whole D'Angelo Vickers, I mean, that was brilliant. That
Speaker 1: eased the transition. I thought with Will Ferrell, oh my gosh, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was great. Well, and there were, you know, in
Speaker 1: the end, a lot of big guest stars that came
Speaker 1: onto our little show that we weren't supposed to have
Speaker 1: known people right like Cathy Bays, James Spader that was
Speaker 1: more than a guest star. I guess, yeah, how do
Speaker 1: you think that their energy she changed things? That's a
Speaker 1: good question. I mean I feel like they you know,
Speaker 1: they're all such excellent actors that it I mean that's
Speaker 1: in a in a complimentary way that they blended into
Speaker 1: the um energy of the office, but on a personal level,
Speaker 1: I felt like, oh, I can't believe these giants are
Speaker 1: in this room with us, because it is such a drab,
Speaker 1: everyday office and then you have these I feel like
Speaker 1: it's always steel surreal because you have these huge people
Speaker 1: coming in but they're not in the world of the office.
Speaker 1: I I loved Robert California. I thought that he I
Speaker 1: thought he was such strange, but I thought that his
Speaker 1: addition to the office was actually great, and that he
Speaker 1: was never going to be a replacement for Michael Scott,
Speaker 1: but that it was just a different energy altogether, and
Speaker 1: I thought it suited the office. I mean dunder Milin
Speaker 1: like pretty well, where it was just I mean, he
Speaker 1: was strange, Brian that character. Yes, I do remember Pool part.
Speaker 1: That's the episode that I referenced being when people are like,
Speaker 1: what was your least favorite or what was the hardest episode,
Speaker 1: I always say Pool party, and it was I don't
Speaker 1: remember the pool being particularly like a great temperature, and
Speaker 1: I feel like it was it felt like many days
Speaker 1: in that pool, right, Yes, many days in many many days. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I always I don't have I don't have like traumatic
Speaker 1: memories of that, but I just remember that. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is It's just always an episode that I remember.
Speaker 1: I guess because it was it distinbuished itself by being Also,
Speaker 1: I feel like the week before is when we got
Speaker 1: the heads up like, oh yeah, you guys are going
Speaker 1: to be in a pool for the next week. At
Speaker 1: the table read, they were like, oh yeah, do we
Speaker 1: not mention you you're gonna be in in the pool for
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Speaker 1: m O M E and t House dot com slash
Speaker 1: d C l h M. The finale of the show,
Speaker 1: we come back for Dwight and Angela's wedding. And there's
Speaker 1: also a Q and A that we do. Yes, there's
Speaker 1: a Q and A. The cast of the documentaries, you know,
Speaker 1: answering questions from the documentary that aired. I know personally
Speaker 1: that's when Aaron her parents who are in the audience,
Speaker 1: asking questions. And what a like beautiful, beautiful end I
Speaker 1: thought for Aaron anyway, like a beautiful end to her arc.
Speaker 1: Aaron never really had a permanent family like growing up,
Speaker 1: she was in foster homes. And I just loved that
Speaker 1: the writers arranged that for Aaron at the end, to
Speaker 1: meet her birth parents. That was so And of course
Speaker 1: you couldn't gotten too better. It was Ed Begley Jr.
Speaker 1: And Joan Cusick, who you're like, By the way, do
Speaker 1: you know I still have Joan not to creep you
Speaker 1: out or jes out, but I still have her card. Again,
Speaker 1: she gave me her card again. I said something like
Speaker 1: either complimented her card again, or I said it smelled
Speaker 1: so good or something that is on the last day,
Speaker 1: so you can have it. She took it off and
Speaker 1: she gave it to me. Well, but did she give
Speaker 1: it to you to use for a minute or was
Speaker 1: she like, no, you take this, she said you can
Speaker 1: have it. You know, maybe she literally just meant you
Speaker 1: can borrow it and I never gave it back. All right, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very possible I misinterpreted that. That would seem about right.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. By the way, do you remember that
Speaker 1: was during the finale obviously, remember we had to work
Speaker 1: like two saturdays in a row, and we were like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't believe it. That was the
Speaker 1: only I think Saturday I ever worked on that show. No,
Speaker 1: I think I enjoyed just every minute of it. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. I will share this
Speaker 1: with you. We don't have this on tape anywhere, but
Speaker 1: I will at this with you. We were very very
Speaker 1: well behaved cast some would say churchly, but you know,
Speaker 1: there were a few of us that were maybe visited
Speaker 1: Kevin's bar that he had In the finale, that maybe
Speaker 1: had a little bit too much to drink on set.
Speaker 1: There you go and well committed to tape. Okay, we
Speaker 1: haven't recorded, but it took until the finale to do that, right, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: a very well behaved guest until Kevin's Bar. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Did you go to the Rat Party in Scranton? Yes?
Speaker 1: First of all, the Rat party that night. Like to remember,
Speaker 1: we wrapped on a Saturday, and I believe I met
Speaker 1: you and Angela. I just remember that we drove to
Speaker 1: the Rat Party together. And then yeah, that was so
Speaker 1: much fun that night. I just remember the l A
Speaker 1: Marathon was the next day and I was like, how
Speaker 1: is anyone running? Because we were absolute But um, the
Speaker 1: Scranton Rap Party was one of the best week of
Speaker 1: my life. That was phenomenal. And do you remember how
Speaker 1: Christina it was. Brian, it was like there was not
Speaker 1: a cloud in the sky. A baseball game, Brian, did
Speaker 1: we throw? Wait? What happened? Why were we at the
Speaker 1: somebody who threw out a pitch? Somebody did know? We
Speaker 1: were just doing a Q and A in the baseball
Speaker 1: stadium because they needed the biggest venue that they could find.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And then we went to It was
Speaker 1: at the backyard Fence, Backyarddle House. Oh and then we
Speaker 1: just like we're behind the bar. That was unbelievable was
Speaker 1: that the most special weekend ever was the best and
Speaker 1: the people who lived there are so welcoming and warm
Speaker 1: and kind. That was really an amazing event. Have you been?
Speaker 1: Oh wait, you told me where you were on your
Speaker 1: way there when we couldn't meet up in New York.
Speaker 1: I just went yes. I went back to the to
Speaker 1: the ballpark, I went back to the backyardale House to
Speaker 1: revisit some sites and to talk to some of the
Speaker 1: folks there, I mean, and really talking to them about
Speaker 1: how crazy it is that The Office was big when
Speaker 1: it was on, and it seemingly has only grown in
Speaker 1: popularity since two thousand seventeen. It has over a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty three billion minutes watched streaming. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's with a B. It with a B. I mean
Speaker 1: that I again as a fan, because I have this perspective,
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense to me. It's a comforting show.
Speaker 1: It's a healing show. It's not cynical. It's like a
Speaker 1: really kind show. And and I think when you're watching it,
Speaker 1: you feel like, you know these people intimately and like
Speaker 1: And what I love is kids who were too young
Speaker 1: when it was first on and watch it now. I mean,
Speaker 1: these kids are in middle school, they're in high school.
Speaker 1: They don't know what an office workplace is, but they
Speaker 1: know what school is and they know And I think
Speaker 1: that's how they relate to it, is that it's it's
Speaker 1: any it's any situation where you're with the same people
Speaker 1: day and day out, and everyone has these very distinct
Speaker 1: personalities and it's an infinitely relatable show. But so I
Speaker 1: understand why people watch it so much because I did too.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I think with Netflix, no one could
Speaker 1: have ever predicted how many people would view this show,
Speaker 1: don't you feel I feel so lucky that we got
Speaker 1: to be well again as a newcomer. I feel so
Speaker 1: lucky that I got to have any parts in it.
Speaker 1: But it's really cool, Like how how how people are
Speaker 1: still watching it? Yea, it is. If it weren't for
Speaker 1: The Office, where do you think you would be? Now?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Actually I take that back because on
Speaker 1: the same day that I auditioned for the Office, I
Speaker 1: also auditioned for a show called Cophouse and cop House
Speaker 1: was a pilot written by the brilliant Adam Resnick, who
Speaker 1: I adore. I don't think that the show was ordered
Speaker 1: to series, but I think I would have been in
Speaker 1: a pilot called cop House, and from there, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I would have done. That's very interesting. You
Speaker 1: were almost on Cop House. I was almost the star
Speaker 1: of Cop House, so I would have done that, and
Speaker 1: then oh, I don't know what. Yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I hope I would have found
Speaker 1: work somewhere else, but nowhere would have been, of course,
Speaker 1: of course, as special as the office. Ellie. It's so
Speaker 1: great to hear your voice. I'm only sorry that I'm
Speaker 1: not seeing you in person and probably won't until two
Speaker 1: two when there's a vaccine, but it is so thank
Speaker 1: you for talking to me. It is so wonderful. I,
Speaker 1: like I said, I've been looking forward to this, just
Speaker 1: like selfishly as it picked me up separately. We need
Speaker 1: like a two hour long just personal catch up. I
Speaker 1: know I would love that, and I will tell you that.
Speaker 1: At some point, I think Rain posted a text exchange
Speaker 1: between you and him on the internet and I saw
Speaker 1: it and I was like, oh my god, why aren't
Speaker 1: Ellian I texting like that because it just really made
Speaker 1: me smile. I don't know why we're not texting like that.
Speaker 1: And also Rain Wilson, I was like, he didn't tell
Speaker 1: me he was going to post that to his millions
Speaker 1: of followers, like luckily everything was fine, but yeah, he wasn't. Again,
Speaker 1: just tell me the joke because they don't make me laugh.
Speaker 1: What was I can't remember it either. I don't think
Speaker 1: about what it was about money, dude, We'll have to
Speaker 1: look it up. I think totally. I feel like it
Speaker 1: was bordering on inappropriate and then it was actually fine.
Speaker 1: Rain is so weird, like when he says he's I
Speaker 1: feel like he and Dwight are weird in such specific
Speaker 1: ways and wildly different ways. But they're both very weird people.
Speaker 1: But except Rain is actually like extremely kind. Well I
Speaker 1: guess White was tiny, but it is the funniest thing
Speaker 1: he no text out of the blue, the most insane thing,
Speaker 1: and it makes me so happy that I know. But anyway, yes,
Speaker 1: he posted that exchange. We need to start texting. Let's
Speaker 1: do not a regular occurrence with Rain and what it
Speaker 1: happens is like but don't you feel that way with
Speaker 1: so many people from the office where like you don't
Speaker 1: hear from them for a while, and then you do
Speaker 1: and it's like no time is past. I totally I
Speaker 1: totally feel that way. All right, Ellie, I will talk
Speaker 1: to you soon. Thank you so much, Thank you, Brian.
Speaker 1: This is what a bright spot in this otherwise bleak time.
Speaker 1: So so good to hear your voice. Once everything is
Speaker 1: calmed down, we're having the biggest like celebratory dinner out
Speaker 1: in a restaurant. It might be five years from now,
Speaker 1: but we're doing it. Sounds perfect alright, alright, by bye.
Speaker 1: Oh there you have our Ellie kemper Ellie. We are on.
Speaker 1: We are so on for that dinner. I just hope
Speaker 1: it's not five years. Please let's not have it be
Speaker 1: five years. Thank you Ellie for your wit, for your insight.
Speaker 1: I always have the most fun talking to you and
Speaker 1: to my dear listeners. I had so much fun bringing
Speaker 1: you this interview. So please come back next week and
Speaker 1: join Ellie and I for that dinner. We'd be happy
Speaker 1: to have you. Um. But in the meantime, before the
Speaker 1: dinner happens, like subscribe review us on whatever platform you
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Speaker 1: in advance and have an excellent week. The Office. Deep
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