1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. And I am dying 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: laughing right now because I know you can't see us, 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: you can only hear us. But Tia and I were 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: feeling very nostalgic this morning, and we figured why not 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: bust out our prom dresses and are all of the 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: accessories that we had for what you sago down last night. 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: So Tia, can you please describe to me what you 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: are wearing right now? So imagine ladybug meets eighties meets 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: shoulder poof. I mean, it's only you could feel how 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: ishy this is. I have some red lace, Madonna gloves, 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: good sad pony. You are looking you like. I know 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: that we filmed Paradise and Prom several months ago, but 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: you look like you just stepped off that dance floor. 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, guys, what thank you? Your outfit I'm 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: wearing like, um, it kind of looks like wallpaper up close, 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: a little iridescent, like eighties bride like or eighteen year 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: old loses her virginity at the prom. We've got the 18 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: pink velvet scrunch you can't see them, but we got 19 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: some nice big pink ball earrings on. UM. I do 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: have to admit though, I A, I'm shocked that we 21 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: were able to get these dresses back home after Paradise 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: because we only had two suitcases and they yours, yours 23 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: literally took up I think you had to buy a 24 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: third suitcase just to get through airport security with that. 25 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: I'm surprised you didn't just wear it on the plane, 26 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: like that's what you should have done. Save some money 27 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: with that third that third suitcase. But uh, we are 28 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: ready to do today's podcast in style, and you know, 29 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going to be able to get 30 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: the stress off of maybecause it's very tight, so I 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: might just be lived in it for a while to 32 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: get off the last really concerned you will also ripped. 33 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: You also ripped your dress out because you were dancing 34 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: so hard you busted the whole shoulder sleeve much did 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: it still is busted. We didn't have to keep it 36 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: up throw it. There's so many layers of tool there 37 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: that it just stays when you pop it up. You 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: don't even need a safety pin. But enough about our 39 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: incredible attire, I mean Checo Bachelor happy Hours Instagram because 40 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: we have a full reels tutorial of us getting ready 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: back in the eighties mindset, and I have to say, 42 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: this was just for me personally, one of my most 43 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: fun favorite episodes to watch, just because like reliving that moment, 44 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: reliving the dancing, and of course some of the drama, 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: but just like, do you remember the excitement that we 46 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: had that day when we walked in the whole day? 47 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: The fuck are you talking about? It's true. I remember 48 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: my excitement when when I walked into the Rose Palapa 49 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: and it was eighties themed prom I it was like 50 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: I was born for the moment. Okay, And we will 51 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: get into more of the detail of that night, but 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: at least impression. It didn't at the very end of 53 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: the episode, but it made a last to you and 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: problem is always memorable, but this one was one for 55 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: the books, I have to say. But let's start at 56 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 1: the top of the episode, because last week it was 57 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: a two week continued and it was all of the 58 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: drama surrounding Ivan and Aaron and Chelsea and this somewhat 59 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: love triangle going on. So obviously it picks up back 60 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: into that Aaron and Ivan are going at it. There 61 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: are so much that was said between those two and 62 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: just between everyone regarding that situation. On the beach, I 63 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: think a standout moment of everything, not only between just 64 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: what you saw, but I think one of the main 65 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: things was like people saw Riley get really heated, and 66 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: like even I was heated. There were people on that 67 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: beach at learning Rachel, like people were mad for different reasons. 68 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: Like there was just so much tension going on. Obviously 69 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: you see Aaron get mad because he was well he says, 70 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: he was into Chelsea. We'll get into that, he says, 71 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: he says, but um, I know people are probably gonna say, 72 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: like that Ivan looked so terrible. Here's the thing, when 73 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: all of that was going on, we only heard one 74 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: side of the story. All we heard was that Chelsea 75 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: pulled Ivan, Aaron saw Ivan and Chelsea talking and making out, 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: and then we just saw Aaron get furious. And from 77 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: a bystander, I mean you were there too, Tia, which 78 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: you can attest to, like Aaron was extremely heated to 79 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: the point where everyone was like what the hell, like 80 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: why the whole time? Hm, But always just like after 81 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: the fact and kind of like macho man, staken up 82 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: for myself, and it felt like it wasn't ever really 83 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: about the girl. It was always just about his competition. 84 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Right with the guys, it was kind of a zar. 85 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: It was more about losing. I think another point to 86 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: that when we all sound this out rubbed us all 87 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: the wrong way because a lot of us, like no 88 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: Ivan as this kind, soft spoken, patient man, and we 89 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: didn't expect him. I think too, I would say lie 90 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: or spin the story in his favor where he said 91 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: that Chelsea pulled him. Did he actually say that Chelsea 92 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: pulled him or that Chelsea wanted to talk, because, in 93 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: his defense, he did ask her to go talk and 94 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: she agreed. So if he if he was saying, yeah, 95 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: Chelsea wanted to talk to me, he was just kind 96 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: of leaving out the beginning part that he talked to 97 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: her first. But did he actually say Chelsea pulled him 98 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: to talk? I don't know. I said it, okay, Chelsea 99 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: pulled me. Okay, So that was a lie. My thing, though, 100 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: is I know it's easy to get wrapped up in 101 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: the nitty gurdy and the little details and that he 102 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: said he said type thing. It's like, at the end 103 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: of the day, who really cares who pulled who? The 104 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: fact of the matter is, these two consenting adult went 105 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: to go talk. They both made out and Aaron saw it, 106 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: and then Chelsea also decided to go and live her 107 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: best betchelor at life, which she should have, and talk 108 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: to Aaron and kissing him. Like that's what it is 109 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: like to me, It doesn't matter who pulled two, and 110 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: like that type of thing is so just unnecessary. Did 111 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: the same thing with Tamy and Thomas though, too right, 112 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: And so we're seeing a theme here. So yeah, and 113 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: like you could only act half interested in someone so 114 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: much and then like you can't be surprised when they 115 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to someone else. That happens. That happens. 116 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: We go into the Rose ceremony, and this was probably 117 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: the longest Row ceremony we've ever had to stand through 118 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: because that conversation between Ivan and Walls, it looks like 119 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: it was what maybe five minutes, It took took close 120 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: to an hour. So we're all just standing there talking. 121 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: We're so tired and like swaying and just it was 122 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: a line I'll take a screench out of your face 123 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: where you're just like, what the fuck is going on? 124 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so tired, so late. It's just it 125 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: was hot. It was a lot, and so I think 126 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: at that point, everyone was like, everyone was more kissed 127 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: that I've just made this decision that we all had 128 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: to stand through and deal with than like what actually 129 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: happened the night before, which basically to this day, we 130 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: still don't quite know exactly how I've been found Alex's room, 131 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: but when we were all in lockdown during the storm 132 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: in our separate rooms, I've apparently stuck out found her 133 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: number from a producer's phone which was left there. But 134 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: in his defense, because I think we all for the 135 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: most print, I don't want to speak for the group, 136 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: but I will say a lot of us were excited, 137 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: like we said last week, to have these comfortable, big beds, 138 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: have air conditioning, be able to shower, get ready to 139 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: our hair, like we were just all ready to go 140 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: to bed so early because we never sleep on that beach. 141 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: And so the fact that Ivan was in the mindset 142 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: where I think he thought, Okay, this is probably my 143 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: last night. I don't have a strong connection, let's just 144 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: Kendle left. Kendall left, He's like, I think his mindset was, 145 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: let's just go balls to the walls, all out, do 146 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: whatever we can if there's one person left here. That 147 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: I was excited to meet and I now know her 148 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: room number? Why not? So I know he went around 149 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: the system and broke the rules. I understand though, where 150 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: he was coming from and the mentality behind it. The 151 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: issue and the part where he really fucked up though 152 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: in that is that he a led to everyone the 153 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: next day, obviously especially to Chelsea, and it was at 154 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: her expense. And I think the part where he went 155 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: so wrong where I felt for Chelsea in that moment 156 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: was where after he confronted everyone, after Walls pulled him 157 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: aside and he was like, Chelsea, I'm sorry. If you 158 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: would have given me the rose, I would have turned 159 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: it down. That should have been said well before the audacity. 160 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: That was bullshit. That is where I sentiment like, how 161 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: dare you think that I was going to give you 162 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: a rose? One? And then say you're going to turn 163 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: me down? Like yeah, I think it less that part 164 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: out and I think at that point Ivan was like, 165 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: I've burned all my burdches, like they're truly Chelsea was 166 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: his maybe last string of hope, like the last little 167 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: shred to potentially get a Rosen to stay. And with 168 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: his confession of sneaking out and going to see Alexa 169 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: he obviously burned to that, and alexas the one who 170 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: told producers because she felt bad and didn't want to 171 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: go down to the beach. No I think people heard 172 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: them talking. Oh, and I will say to the record, 173 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: I will say this too. None of us had a clue, 174 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: We had no idea. We were trying to get it 175 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: out of Noah because Noah shared a room with him. 176 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: But I want to touch on the fact that I 177 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: know people probably think he snuck out and they cooked up. 178 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: He even said, and I don't think they included this 179 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: part when he was addressing us, but he even said, 180 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with Alexa. She has no 181 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: part of this. She is innocent. This was me as 182 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: a man, sneaking out and making this decision, going to 183 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: talk to her son. She had no clue what was 184 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: going on, right exactly, cutie ave and at her door, 185 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: she's lackable. Damn. She's like, is this part of the show? 186 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: Did the producers come here? Yeah? Exactly. So I want 187 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: to make that very clear. So I'm sure there's gonna 188 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: be trolls out there on social media who will come 189 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: at her, and she is innocent in all of this. 190 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: Leave her up and She also made the decision not 191 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: to go down to the beach because she felt so 192 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: uncomfortable after I guess after she found out like it 193 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: was not supposed to happen that way, that that was 194 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: against the rules, right. I really felt for her because 195 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: she kind of missed out on her opportunity too, And 196 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: she'd been in quarantine for weeks. She had been waiting 197 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: to come four weeks. And oh, it's gotta suck. But 198 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you see, Ivan removed himself. He leaves, and 199 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: again I think sadly was at Chelsea's expense, and she 200 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: was kind of put in this position. I mean, I 201 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: don't know where I don't know. Had he not confronted 202 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: everyone and told everyone what he chose to do, I 203 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: don't know where her Rose would have gone. Like, I 204 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: don't think she was made up. She was. She kept 205 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: talking to us. She was torn between the two guys. 206 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: She was still moments before we all lined up at 207 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: that Rose Sumare and he still moments before she was 208 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: torn of like trying to get the full details of 209 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: the story of the argument between him, between Aaron and Ivan, 210 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: and so, oh, I mean, you see it, I'll play out. 211 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: She gives Aaron the rose, so he sticks around. We 212 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: see sadly damar doctor Joe go home. Who else went home? 213 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: Oh Blake? Who's Blake? Blake was pretty easy? Yeah, it 214 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: like Blake was also so confused. I remember before he left, 215 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: he was just like a deer in headlights of like, oh, 216 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm really going home to give the rose to James. 217 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: It's like yeah, because you just gasolt the shit out 218 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: of her the entire night and that conversation. Yeah, like hello, 219 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: knock knock, where you present any of it? Um uh? Yeah. 220 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: So those fellas go home and we see a couple 221 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: new arrivals the next day, which I think was interesting 222 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: for all of us because it's down to the wire. 223 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: There's only a couple of days left, and so to 224 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: see Anna and McKenna walk in the next day, we 225 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: were like, Okay, such a chill day, too, chill day, 226 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: and we're like, in the game, gotta gotta work work 227 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: those moves fast to see what happens. Yeah. I know 228 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: that it had to have been tough for you to 229 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: see James go on the date with Anna. Obviously you 230 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: were struggling a little bit that whole day, just because 231 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: I don't think I mean and you can chime in here. 232 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: I don't think you knew like James wasn't for you. 233 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: I think you knew that, but also you kind of 234 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: were like everyone's already coupled up, like he was the 235 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: one connection that I could have potentially had here, you know, 236 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: promise about to happen, Like that's I think where I 237 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: don't think you were like all in, I'm like, this 238 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: is my guy. But I think it was just like 239 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: the situation in general. Yeah, of course, it's always a 240 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: little punch in the gut to see the person that 241 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: you just gave your rose to go out with someone else. 242 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: But I truly was happy for him. But there was 243 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: a moment where I actually said, I hope he's open 244 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: to exploring options because he deserves that. When I gave 245 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: in my rose, I said, you deserve to be here, 246 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: do because I knew that more girls were going to 247 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: come in the next day. But yeah, of course, it 248 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: always sucks to feel like you wanted something to be 249 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: there and it just wasn't, and then you're just kind 250 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: of left like, well, here we are, here we are 251 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: I will say, though, And I just want all of 252 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: our listeners to know this about you, because I've known 253 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: you now for years. You are one of the most 254 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: selfless people that I've ever met. You. Like, even though 255 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: it was tough for you, you did say multiple times 256 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: and in many different words and forms and phrases that like, 257 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: you wanted James to be happy, You wanted him to 258 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: find such a good girl because he was such a 259 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: good man. Yeah. If if he was an asshole, it 260 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: would have made it a whole lot, like a good 261 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: ridd you can have the next person. But he is 262 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: such a nice, great guy, and that made it so 263 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: so hard. Like the only tims I was emotional was 264 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: when I was bummed about not giving somebody a rose 265 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: and thinking about someone getting hurt, and then when I 266 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: was just ready to go home. But yeah, he's such 267 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: a nice guy and he truly truly deserved to go 268 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: on that date and to have his first date in 269 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: the franchise, right, Yeah, his first one on one ever. Yeah, 270 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: And he was that he was the last guy on 271 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: the beach, the last I would say, person to get 272 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: to get a one on one. And so I mean, listen, 273 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: he's been here. I don't know how James keeps sneaking 274 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: through BA by week. If James and Aaron both we 275 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: were well. At one point we were like they should 276 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: just give each other here roses because they we spend 277 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: all of their time together, the strongest relationship in Paradise. 278 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: They really were there so much, like everyone was talking 279 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: about it at one point they're like, James and Aaron 280 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: are just like even Wells. Wells was like, how the 281 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: hell are you two still? And they didn't like towards it. 282 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: They truly really didn't care to talk to any of 283 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: the women at all. They only worked together eating two 284 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: of the things. People were like, why wasn't it there? 285 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: What was going on? I'm like, you didn't see this. 286 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: But they really didn't talk to the girls a whole lot. 287 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: They were with each other all the time, all the time, 288 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: all the time. It was a running joke for the 289 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks there because it's like anytime someone's 290 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: like where's James, We're like, oh, he's probably with Aaron 291 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: and vice versa. So yeah, but he did have a 292 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: great day with Anna, a very random, interesting day with 293 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: the human made uros and the snakes. I would not 294 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: have mind the snakes put the sugar in the cinnamon. 295 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: Would have pissed me off. Having it all for my body. 296 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: And then at one point, Anna's on her stomach, He's 297 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: giving her a massage and her forehead is basically going 298 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: in to the cinnamon and sugar, and I'm like, oh, fuck, 299 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: no h If that gets in my eyeball or like 300 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: up my nose, I would have been so pissed. The 301 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: one thing too, that I kept thinking about and I'm like, oh, like, 302 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: why is this where my mind goes is I'm thinking, 303 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: I hope that the show gave them the white swimsuits 304 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: because if that was my own, I would have been 305 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: pissed if I've ruined my own swimsuit on this date. 306 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: That's all I was thinking about the entire time. We 307 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: will ask James, we will have him clarify it goes 308 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: his own or not. But okay, well yeah, so Anna 309 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: and James corner date. Then mc kind of comes in. 310 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Now McKenna we saw earlier in the season she went 311 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: back and had to wait in quarantine for a couple 312 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: more weeks until she came down onto that beach the 313 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: last week. But she shows up. She pulls a lot 314 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: of men that day to talk to them, and honestly, 315 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: I think most were are I mean most of them 316 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: were in a relationship and said, if you were to 317 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: ask me, I would turn you down and just say 318 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: no to anyone. It didn't even have to be McKenna. 319 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: I'm sure it would have been anyone, but yeah, because 320 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: Anna asked to Anna straight up asked a few people 321 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: what they would say, yes, and they said no, couldn't. 322 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: So I think the interesting thing is watching her conversation 323 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: between McKenna and Aaron. He he seemed invested, he seemed excited, 324 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: which I think got her hopes up. Obviously very intrigued 325 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 1: with him. She was k a vague. She was all 326 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: in to pull him on this date. And she asks 327 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: Aaron and he goes, yeah, but let's go talk, which 328 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: makes sense. Heem like, yes, let's go on that. Yeah yeah, 329 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: which if I was McKenna, i'd be like, okay, he 330 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: said yes, state, but like, let's just go talk really quick. 331 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure he just wants to explain something whatever it 332 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: might be. Right, you see them go chat and then 333 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: he basically turns her down. But all of the reasons 334 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: for turning her down. I had nothing to do with Chelsea, 335 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: nothing to do with Chelsea, and she noticed that immediately. Yeah, 336 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: he addressed the whole group and didn't say anything about 337 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: I want to explore my relationship with Chelsea. So that's 338 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: why I'm not, which is like, why dude, were you 339 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: so mad tonight before literally about to fight someone over 340 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: Chelsea because you needed a rose and now you don't 341 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: give a shit like it was because they're stressed out 342 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: because he follows someone. It's because he was sad. James 343 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: was already gone on a date, like, let's be honest, 344 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: but so Ed and to the rescue. I know you 345 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: don't see a ton of Ed, and you didn't on 346 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: Claire's season, but Ed is a sweetheart. And that moment 347 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: where I know it was hard because as a friend 348 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: for Natasha, I felt for her, but that was his decision, 349 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: that was his impassion on his own to go check 350 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: on her, and it actually was very sweet. Who said 351 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: Chivalrie was dead? He made And what I like to though, 352 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: is he wasn't like forcing her in like a super 353 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: super romantic way. He's just like, listen, either you're going 354 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: to go home tonight or tomorrow, just have some fun, 355 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: have one day with me. If you hate it, I'm sorry, 356 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: Like at least we'll make it fun. You don't need 357 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: to like me, but we'll have a good time. Like 358 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: I liked that mentality of like no pressure, which I 359 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: think sometimes makes the best dates. And turns out they 360 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: had a great date. They roller bladed all around to 361 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: the hotel, but they had fun and I think it's 362 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: just what they both needed. And I mean, we see 363 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: them share a nice kiss. He asked her to prom 364 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: the next day, right and right. Yeah, so it was 365 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: like you reminds me of like puppy love, you know, 366 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: like crushing a little bit, not all invested, but it 367 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: was just carefree. I'm glad the panic that he's thirty seven, 368 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: I know, which I mean everyone's talking about the age difference, 369 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: Like you don't really notice when you're there exactly what 370 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: it is exactly. So yeah, they they had a good one. 371 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: So we go into the next day. Obviously we touched 372 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: on from a little bit. Such a fun time there. 373 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: It was so random And did you did you going 374 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: into that night have any idea that Aaron would pull 375 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: you and that it would lead to this steamy kiss. 376 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: No clue. I was just as shocked as everyone else. 377 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: I remember at one point, I obviously couldn't find you, 378 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: and I will say this. Everyone was trying to do 379 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: a great job of including you and like trying to 380 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: know I dance with us like me and Thomas. I 381 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: felt like we had a little like a squad trio 382 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: all night because we were just dancing like we would 383 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: the middle of the slow song. It wasn't a fun song. 384 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: When we walked in where everyone could dance, it was 385 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: immediately a slow song and I was I was like 386 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: seventh willing and just watching everybody else dance, and of 387 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: course they included me in their slow dance and I 388 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: was just losing my mind and was like this is 389 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: like there's no place to sit. I can't even sit down. 390 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: Everyone did make me feel very very included, which was nice. 391 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: I did end up having a good time, but at 392 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: one point I was like, where hell's Tia. She's been 393 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: gone awhile. So I asked one of our producer friends. 394 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: I was like, where's Tia And she told me you 395 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: were with Aaron and she's like, yeah, the hitting it off, 396 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: and I think, no offense. But I think I burst 397 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: out laughing because I was like, ha what, Like there's 398 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: no way that's gonna be anything, and she's like, no, 399 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: TIA's really happy, and I looked at her like, okay, okay, 400 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: it was come to me tomorrow. And then I started 401 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: to panic. I was like, this is not the place 402 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: I want to be right now. I'm not trying to 403 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: have a target on my back. Yeah, Tia. One of 404 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: the best parts though, of watching it back and you 405 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: guys were making out. You like kind of kicked your 406 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: leg over his leg, but your toes were like this, 407 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: like all sprawled out, fee you had like you had 408 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: like these frogged I had to rewatch. I love you 409 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: so much. I was like, oh my god, all right, Tia. 410 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: As fun as prom was, there was some cloud hanging 411 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: over the entire evening, and I think going into it, 412 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: we kind of could see a storm coming between Abigail 413 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: and Noah. They just seemed really off that day. I 414 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: was clueless were I feel like you and Noah had 415 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: a good conversation, so you maybe had some insight, but 416 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: I really did not know that was coming. The last 417 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: I heard was that he told her he was falling 418 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 1: in love with her, and then I heard they broke up. 419 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: But after seeing it back, I could count of see 420 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: his perspective. Yeah, I was not shocked. I had a 421 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: feeling going into prom that they weren't going to be 422 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: leaving together. I had a feeling that that was their 423 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: last night only because, as you said, like I did 424 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: have a conversation with him that day. Their last conversation 425 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: that we saw was interesting to me because obviously Abigail 426 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: just kind of sat there inside for a while and 427 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: took it all in, and he didn't really give too 428 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: much context or insight. He kind of just said, I 429 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: know that I'm falling for you, but I don't think 430 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: you're the one, and you're not my person. You're not 431 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: my person, which, like we've all been in relationships where 432 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: I think we've known, like we could love somebody or 433 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: have all these feelings and like trying to get somewhere 434 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 1: in a relationship, but ultimately we know they're not the 435 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: one for us. We know that it's not going to 436 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: work out in the long run, and I think that's 437 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: what he was trying to get at. The conversation just 438 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: went for way too long, and I felt for her 439 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: because that has got to be so hard to just 440 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: the night before, less than twenty four hours before, have 441 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: somebody tell you that they're falling in love with them, 442 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: and then and she went to talk with him too, Yeah, 443 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: and she wanted to tell him and then it goes 444 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: to them breaking up. So it's a complete one eighty 445 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: from I think where they were at night before, and 446 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: so it's it's tough, and I can speak from his 447 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: experience being blindsided, which I think she was. And you know, 448 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: when she removed herself to go sit in the bathroom 449 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: and cry, I was like, I've been that girl. I 450 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: felt like it was like a dagger to the heart. 451 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: I felt so bad for her, and just as a 452 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: friend in that moment, like I think we all wished 453 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: we could have been there for her and been in 454 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: the bathroom to console her and talk to her and 455 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: make sure she was okay. Obviously we had no idea 456 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: what was going on. We had no idea what conversation 457 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: was taking place. So it's a tough one. We don't 458 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: see how it formally ends, because again it's it's another 459 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: to be continued into next week. But and it was 460 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: extra hard too because they had just been crowned, not 461 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: King and queen, but what was it that they what 462 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: was the award that succeed or together in the real 463 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: world or succeed And yeah, after the show to work 464 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: out in the real world, and so it was. It 465 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: was tough to watch. But we'll have to wait and 466 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: see how that to be upset and heartbroken in an 467 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: eighties outfit. Oh yeah, as if it's not enough, but 468 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: we have to bring our guests on because he obviously 469 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: had a major moment, a major date this week, and 470 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: we got to see a little bit more of him. 471 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: So Tia, I know he kind of broke hurt a 472 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: little bit this week, but we had we had to 473 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: have our guy James on. So, without further Ado Bachler 474 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: Happy Hour listeners, let's welcome James to the podcast. James, 475 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. It's good to see you again. 476 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: How are you. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's great 477 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: to see you guys. You guys look fantastic. I wish 478 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: I still had my my prom get up with me. 479 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: I know a Cathwaite jacket, a little Dangley earing good 480 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: James and evil James. I don't think there's evil James. 481 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: I don't know where. Yeah, I've never seen the evil James. 482 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: I don't think he exists. No, he comes out not 483 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: so often. But I think I will say this because 484 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: at the end of the night. There was one point 485 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: where things were kind of winding down own everyone was late, 486 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: Like half of us were taking naps on the stage, 487 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: some people were on the on the dance floor laying down. 488 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 1: All the couples, you know, are kind of take naps 489 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: or kissing. And I was sitting right next to you 490 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,239 Speaker 1: and Anna, and then two of you were talking the 491 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: entire time and just hit it off. And I remember 492 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: like kind of dosing off, being like they're so cute, 493 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: Like this is really precious right now. Yeah, Anna was 494 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: kind of like a breath of fresh air. You know, 495 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: my Paradise experience had so many ups and downs and 496 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: cough cough to you. You made the whole for beginning 497 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: to We'll get into that. But you know, t and 498 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: I we we had a run. Obviously didn't work out 499 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: for better for worse. But um, you know, Tia gave 500 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: me another shot, right and enabled me to stick around. Welcome. Yeah, yeah, 501 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: very great, and you deserved it. You deserved it, Thank you, 502 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: thank you. But seriously, it gave me another opportunity to 503 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: live to see another day. And then fortunately Anna came 504 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: in you know, that week, and she was kind of 505 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: the final arrival. Fortunately, picked me on that one on 506 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: one day and you know we hit it off right, 507 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: So shout out to Tia for allowing me to survive 508 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: that last road, same money and that opportunity. It was 509 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: an easy choice. So you so far have had quite 510 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: the journey on Paradise. And I mean t and I 511 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: have joked like out if anyone were like, how is 512 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: James still around? Like I know that, like Tia gave 513 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: you the roses, But it wasn't until what we saw 514 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: last night this week when Anna arrives where you like 515 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: really had a solid, solid connection. But we have to 516 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: take it back to the very beginning, because you were 517 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: there day one and right away. I mean it seemed 518 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: like you started off on a decent foot with Victoria P. 519 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: So take us back to the beginning. Who were you 520 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: originally hoping to me when you stepped onto the sand 521 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: and from there? Did you ever think that you and 522 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: Victoria P would have hit it off? Yeah? Yeah, And 523 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: a great question as far as how I made it 524 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: as long as I did. I wish I had the 525 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: answer for you, but I kind of scraped by each week, 526 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: but going because you're a good guy. Oh stop it, 527 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: stop it, it's it really. I remember being in the 528 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: hotel and I had only really seen you know, Clantatious 529 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: season and Matt season, so I didn't know too many 530 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: names that could potentially be coming on the beach. But 531 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: I wanted to keep an open mind. I wanted to 532 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: use Paradise for what it was intended for, right, to 533 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: explore relationships, not kind of have tunnel vision for one 534 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: person and kind of just put all your eggs in 535 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: one basket. So walking onto the beach, I wanted to 536 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: talk with anyone and everyone who was there, right, So 537 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: UM came in, saw some familiar faces, had a few 538 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: buddies there obviously from my season. Um. But then when 539 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: I saw Victoria, I remember the first time I saw her, 540 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: she was standing at the bar, and I was obviously 541 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: immediately attracted to her and made an effort to kind 542 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: of start developing some kind of relationship, some type of connection, 543 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: and it just felt easy, it felt smooth, It wasn't forced, 544 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: and we both kind of had this mutual understanding that yes, 545 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: we are interested in getting to know each other more 546 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: and more, but we're also not going to block ourselves 547 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: off to meeting new people and exploring other relationships. So 548 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: it was kind of a nice start. I felt confident 549 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: coming into the first week in Paradise, and then obviously 550 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: that suddenly changed to the night of the first Roust ceremony. 551 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: You dealt with a lot that that first week when 552 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: she ultimately eliminated herself. What was going through your mind? 553 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: How did you feel in that moment? Yeah, I was shocked, 554 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, to have Tammy and Kelsey comes to that information, 555 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: which you know, I appreciated, right the honesty and the transparency, 556 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: and I knew at that point I had to have 557 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: a very direct conversation with Victoria, And you know, to 558 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: this day, I don't necessarily fully understand the dynamic of 559 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: what was going on. And I truly believe Victoria was 560 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: single coming into Paradise, but I think there was a 561 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: lot of baggage, maybe in a lot of history from 562 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: a past relationship that the door maybe necessarily wasn't fully closed. 563 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: And I think she took a big risk and kind 564 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: of a leap of faith in coming to Paradise and 565 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 1: at least seeing what options were there. And I think 566 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: maybe her heart was just pulling her in another direction 567 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: when she got there, and maybe she started missing that individual, 568 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 1: and you know, I can't knock her for that. And 569 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: as upset as I was to have herself eliminate and 570 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: to kind of have that relationship crash and burn, especially 571 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: so early, I understood, right, you know, And I've been 572 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: in situations like that before where you try to kind 573 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: of move on from your past and it keeps pulling 574 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: you back, right, So I can't knock her for that. 575 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: And it did put me in a tough situation because 576 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: I was probably about an hour out from the first 577 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: Row ceremony, and I went against my own rule and 578 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: I kind of put all my eggs in one basket 579 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: with Victoria and I didn't have a connection with anyone there, 580 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: anyone else. So I had some last minute discussions with 581 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: Kelsey and Demi and eventually ended up kind of really 582 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: giving a friendship rose to Demi. Um. Yeah, And then 583 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: I was obviously back to square one with the girls 584 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: having the roses, and I knew I had to kind 585 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: of start making a connection with girls elsewhere because obviously 586 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: the toy was gone. What made you give your rose 587 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: to Demi over Kelsey? Because as the viewer, it seemed 588 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: like it was going to be going to Kelsey, Like 589 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: I know, the interaction trying. Yeah, and I know the 590 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: you said the rose to Demi was more of a 591 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: friendship thing, and you knew you guys would have fun, 592 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: but it seemed like you were leaning towards Kelsey. Yeah, 593 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was not an easy decision, right, 594 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: and both girls are incredible, both equally deserved their shot 595 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: at love. And you know, in hindsight, I look back, 596 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: and to be honest, I probably would have given my 597 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: rose to Kelsey. I think maybe there was a greater 598 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: potential there beyond just a friendship rose. But I saw 599 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: Demi was, you know, bubbly and energetic, and you know, 600 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: she seemed to be there to have fun and meet people. 601 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: So I eventually came to that choice. But in hindsight, yeah, Kelsey, 602 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: I think maybe I should have given that a bit 603 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: more time and attention and seeing where that could have gone. 604 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: But obviously, hindsight is twenty twenty and Denny got my rose, 605 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: and I can only move forward from there. Do you 606 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: look in TV? Damn it, she does, she does. I mean, 607 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: when Tee and I came down, we were so glad 608 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: that Demi was still there because we love her. But 609 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: does a part of you regret that, Like now, looking back, 610 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: do you wish you would have given I try not 611 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: to live, you know, looking back and kind of thinking 612 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: of I should have done this, I should have done that, right, 613 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, I made my decision and I kind of 614 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: moved on from it. But yeah, I think about that often. 615 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: As far as what I should have done in that 616 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: first Rose ceremony, I mean, first things first, I shouldn't 617 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: have kind of put the blinders on for Victoria. I 618 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: should have done what I intended to do and followed 619 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: kind of my roles and explored different relationships, right, because 620 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: when that came came crashing down, everyone else was kind 621 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: of like a stranger to me. I didn't know anything 622 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: about any of the girls. So that's that's number one. 623 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: But number two I think, yeah, I think I should 624 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: have given Kelsey a bit more time and attention. She's 625 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: obviously fantastic, But yeah, I do certainly think about that. 626 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: I want to get into moving forward, because like you 627 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: seemed very open to I think, really talk to anyone 628 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: and have a connection or at least trying to form 629 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: a connection with anyone. And obviously, in the weeks to come, 630 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: we saw drama between Chris and Atlanta go down with 631 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, potentially having a relationship pre Paradise. The same 632 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: with Brendan and Piper. So for somebody who came in 633 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: single ready to mingle, do you have anything you want 634 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: to say on the matter of you know, the pre paradise. Yeah, 635 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: and a potential relationship. That's obviously a really delicate subject 636 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: and it's very trigging to dissect because I learned very 637 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,959 Speaker 1: quickly and vaternation everyone, it's a very close network, right. 638 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: You know, when when you go on the show, you're 639 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: kind of you bust onto the scene, and with social 640 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: media you have access and be able to communicate with anyone, 641 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: and everyone kind of becomes friends. Right. And where do 642 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 1: you draw the line between friendship and something intimate and romantic? Right? 643 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: I know, people go on trips together. Piper and Brendan, 644 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, they hung out a couple of times. So 645 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: it's very hard to draw the line between a friendship 646 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: and something romantic, right, And I think it's obviously case 647 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: by case basis in my opinion. I you know, regarding 648 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: the Alanna and Chris situation, I think you know, they 649 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: had that San Diego trip. I truly believe that they 650 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: were kind of just on a friendship level, found out 651 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: they were both going to Paradise, and you know, we're 652 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: excited to meet each other. I think they maybe had 653 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: a predetermined plan to kind of attached to one another. 654 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 1: And then the Brandon Piper situation, that's that's super messy, 655 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: I know, and to me, I think that was an 656 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: existing relationship there. You know, you've seen apologies come out, 657 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: so I try to avoid that. But in my opinion, 658 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: it's tough, right, and it's a case by case basis. 659 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: But does any part of you, I want to figure 660 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: out how to word this, like, is there any part 661 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: of you that is a little bit upset or disappointed? 662 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: Because again, I think most people came up down onto 663 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: that beach, open, ready to talk to everyone, you know, 664 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: explore any sort of relationship. And so do you feel like, 665 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: in a way, if that was already in place, or 666 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: a relationship was already in place, or a plan was 667 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,439 Speaker 1: already there, it took away from you potentially meeting two 668 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: women that would be there that weren't already I guess 669 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: would say like reserved or have this plan? Yeah, though 670 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: that makes total sense, and I do, right, And I 671 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: think if you're already committed to an individual or one person, Right, 672 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: why even bother coming to Paradise, right, work that out, 673 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, independently, like just in the real world. Right, 674 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: don't come to the beach and try to finesse and 675 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: finagle your way rose after rose ceremony and just essentially 676 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: exchange roses back and forth, right, and have a predetermined plan, 677 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: Because not only for the guys, but the girls too, 678 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: You're taking up valuable spots for people that are genuinely 679 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: they're looking to find a spark bond of connection and 680 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: have that flourish into a potential engagement and you know whatever, 681 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: maybe leave the beach together. Right. So, I think this 682 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: is going to be an ongoing problem that Paradise is 683 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: going to have, right with contestants having pre existing relationships, 684 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: I think there's really no way around it. But yeah, 685 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: eighty k is unfortunate. Yeah, I agree, And I think 686 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that from people watching not only this season 687 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: and those situations transpire on Paradise, but even the season 688 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: previous and I was a couple of years ago, but 689 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: having some sort of relationship beforehand, Hopefully people coming on 690 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: now will realize have stopped the way to go. It 691 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: never works out in anyone's favor. Hopefully people will be 692 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: deterred from that after seeing nice Now, I think this 693 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 1: season brought a lot to light that you know, you're 694 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,479 Speaker 1: it will come to the surface, you will be caught. 695 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, hopefully we see a less and less people 696 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: come in with that kind of predetermined plan and you know, 697 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: people are really there to explore relationships genuinely and you know, 698 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: find their match. Yeah, well we eventually see you and 699 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: Tia exchange some roses. Can you both speak on how 700 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: did that all come to be? Because I know there's 701 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 1: obviously so much behind the scenes. James, you had surprised 702 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: her and nowhere Yeah, well every week, Tiah, I was 703 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: back to square one and you can man, I think 704 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: you went on that first day with Kenny m but 705 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: I you know, just like I mentioned with Victoria, how 706 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: it felt easy, it felt smooth. It was the same 707 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: with you, right, And we had conversations off camera too. Yeah, 708 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: you and I we had a connection and then it's 709 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: I felt confident giving my roast to you. And then 710 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: obviously we had with Blake come on and I wasn't 711 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 1: so sure moving forward, but now you it was great 712 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: me and you. It just never felt forced. It was 713 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: always easy, and you know, like we had a mutual 714 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: understanding that you know, we are curious and interested to 715 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: getting to know each other more, but we're not going 716 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: to block ourselves off. You know, if we were to 717 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: go on asking it, go on one on one date, 718 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: we're going to take it. And yeah, no, either person 719 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: would be completely fine with that. Right. So, Blake, beyond 720 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 1: the stair, notte is in the room, But how did 721 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: you truly feel or what was going through your mind 722 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: when Tia went on that date with Taddy Daddy Oh 723 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: I was I was like, I might as well start 724 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: packing my bags now. The timing was just going to 725 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: just get on the next flight home. But listen, like 726 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: that's I can't knock tear for it. And you know 727 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: she's out there looking full of just like the rest 728 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: of us. Right. So what I will say and what 729 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: I will thank you for, t is when Blake did 730 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: ask you on that date before you left, you know, 731 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: you pulled me aside and said, hey, James, I know 732 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: this sucks, the timing stinks, but out of respect for you, 733 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: like I just want you to know, I'm going to 734 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 1: accept the date and that kind of five minute interaction 735 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: meant the world to me because you know, I know, 736 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: eventual when Anna came and whether we seem to be 737 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: kind of fading a bit, but I kind of wanted 738 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: to have that same conversation with you, So we kind 739 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 1: of carried that mutual respect towards each other and that 740 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: that meant a lot, right, And I genuinely did wish 741 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 1: you the best, you know, with Blake and the date, 742 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: so I just wanted to thank you for that. Yeah, 743 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: of course. Okay, So it gets back from the date. 744 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: Obviously we go into the next Row ceremony. That day, 745 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: there was a lot back and forth between you and Tia, 746 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: between Tia and Blake, and it seemed like you really 747 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: stepped up and went above and beyond to surprise her 748 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: and make her feel special because she deserves that. I 749 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: think anyone in any relationship deserves to feel wanted and 750 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: desired and cared about, which you definitely did for her. 751 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 1: Going into that night, did you expect to get TIA's 752 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: rose or was that were I guess, should I say, 753 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: were you confident in getting tias rose that night? Yeah? No, 754 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: absolutely not. And I knew the connection that her and 755 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: Blake had and the day we had kind of that 756 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: cocktail party that started a bit earlier. I remember the 757 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: night prior t and I I'd set something up from 758 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: her and the conversation kind of revolved around you know what, 759 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: love languages we kind of fit with, and you know, 760 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: it was a great conversation, and you know it was 761 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: something small I did, but you know, I think, you know, 762 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: the litter things can kind of sometimes it means so much. 763 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be anything crazy or expensive or 764 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: fancy or anything like that. Just to show someone that 765 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: you're caring about them is goes a long way. And 766 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: I got to kind of learn a bit more about 767 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: Tia and how kind of she she ticks and kind 768 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 1: of what she's looking for in a romantic relationship, and um, 769 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: that next day I kind of said, hey, I'm not 770 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 1: really interested in pursuing relationship with anyone other than Tia 771 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: at this point, so, um, you know, I wanted to 772 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: make sure she had time with Blake and you know, 773 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 1: take advantage of any window or opportunity that I saw 774 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: to speak with her. And then I can remember a 775 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: moment you were on a daybed with Blake and the 776 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: conversation didn't look like it was going well, not at all, 777 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 1: and I I said, you know what, let me maybe 778 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: try to go and see if TA wants to step 779 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 1: away from it for about that yeah, And I came over. 780 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: He did, he tried to save me, and you just 781 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: looked at me, and I felt I was like, okay, this, 782 00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: I better walk away from this situation. I was like, 783 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: is this good time right now? And both people are like, 784 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: uh not really. Yeah. I was like, I'm eating his 785 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,240 Speaker 1: lunch right now. If you could like just wait a second, 786 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: I'll be right there. In my head and I was 787 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, I obviously wanted to continue to pursue things 788 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: with TIV, but in my head, I thought Blake might 789 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: be kind of self destructing for me, and I kind 790 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: of just let that play out. I didn't want to 791 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: interrupt any more than I already had. But even after 792 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: that kind of disagreement or fight, whatever you want to 793 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: call it, that that Tim Blake had, I was nowhere 794 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: near confident of getting the rose because I just knew 795 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: the initial connection and spark that they had right and 796 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 1: I didn't know what conversation, you know, what dialogue was 797 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: going back and forth, or what the disagreement was about, 798 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: but it just didn't look like it was going well 799 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: from my point of view. I tried to make him 800 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: jealous here. I was like, Jane set up something for 801 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: me two nights ago. I was. He was like, so, 802 00:42:54,320 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, aren't you nervous? He's like, no petition right there, right, 803 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: I know, Like that's what I wanted him to understand, 804 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: Like I have a choice here. Someone showing up for 805 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: someone's not like James the hero in this situation. I 806 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: need you to try stub it up. Paradise essentially is 807 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,919 Speaker 1: a competition in itself, right, It's you know, you can't 808 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 1: just walk around, you know, not necessarily saying he was 809 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 1: doing the bare minimum, but you have to make an 810 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 1: impression somehow. You have all said he was doing the 811 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: bare minimum for somebody on the beach living there. He 812 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,479 Speaker 1: was doing the like if you could dig a hole 813 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: and like go underground, like negatively he was doing that. 814 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I will say I was team James. 815 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: I remember talking to Tea that day and she was struggling. 816 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: I mean, and just in general, like the heat, the 817 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: lack of sleep, everything gets to you. And so she 818 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: was struggling because she knew like how incredible and kind 819 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: you were, and so we were all team James. All 820 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: of us girls were like things like there's not even 821 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: a question in our mind. I was telling Becca, or 822 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: if you were an asshole, it would have made it 823 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 1: a lot easier just to be like, no, this is 824 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: an You're such a great dude. Do you, guys ever 825 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: feel like I mean proposing questions you. I guess that 826 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,280 Speaker 1: Paradise almost made you. I hate to be a victim 827 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,280 Speaker 1: of circumstance, so to speak, but if you had maybe 828 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: more time in a different setting with Blake, that it 829 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: would have been different. Because I often feel that you 830 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,800 Speaker 1: know about us in relationships that I kind of pursued. 831 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: That's the thing that makes it tricky is that, I mean, 832 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: that was a situation at hand. We had never met beforehand, 833 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: but like, what better way than to have no interruptions, 834 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: no outside influences, nothing else affecting. You have plenty of 835 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: time to get to know someone, and they still are like, 836 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to 837 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: do this. It's all for a TV show, but you're 838 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: choosing to be on the show. And it just made 839 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: me think like I was asking for very little, and 840 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: he was saying, you know, I'm not going to do 841 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: that here. I would do that outside of this, but 842 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 1: not here. And I'm like, well, if you can't do 843 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: that here, then what makes me think that you're gonna 844 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: be able to do that in the real world? Because 845 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: on our date we did have a great connection and 846 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I can see him being someone I 847 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: would be into outside of this, And that small little 848 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: conversation that we had that it was off camera, didn't 849 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: show it where he basically said, I'm not going to 850 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: set anything up for you. I don't think that's realistic. 851 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that's real life. I think it's fake 852 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: when guys do that. I think he said he thinks 853 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: it's fake. That just made me think, well, if you 854 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: can't do that here, when it's so easy to be 855 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: set up for you, was gonna make you do that 856 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,880 Speaker 1: outside of this? So that I just was a major 857 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: turning point where I was just completely turned off and 858 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 1: it wasn't I think you're right that paradise is stressful 859 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: as it is kind of presents limited interruptions, right, and 860 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: there are a lot of variables when you go back 861 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 1: into the real world kind of life. Gets messy and 862 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: problems come up. So I guess if you can't do 863 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: it on that beach, Okay, So I want to get 864 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: into your first reel. I would say solid, strong connection 865 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: that gave all of us viewers home. And that was 866 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 1: when Anna came down and he and I were recapping 867 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: a little bit, and we were talking about how random 868 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: the state that you guys had, but it seems so 869 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: fun and I think you two made the most of it. 870 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 1: How did you feel though about becoming a human turrow? 871 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: I to be honest, as strange as it was and unconventional, 872 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 1: I had a blast from start to finish. And I 873 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,400 Speaker 1: think not necessarily because of what the day consisted of, 874 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 1: but because who I was with on that day right, 875 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: and I just made it enjoyable from beginning to end. 876 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: We shared the same sense of humor. We were kind 877 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,720 Speaker 1: of both lighthearted and saying, yeah, this is super weird, 878 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: but let's just rolled it and have as much fun 879 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: as we can. You know, I never thought I'd be 880 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 1: lathered up in butter and rolling around, rolling around in 881 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: a sugar pit, and then having chocolate syrup drenched all 882 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: over me, turning into a human turrow, Like what I 883 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: expect to ever be doing that on a first date. No, 884 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: But it's all about who you're doing things with, not 885 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: what you're doing, if that makes sense. So I had 886 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: a blast, and you know, I think she had fun too. 887 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: What didn't you like more? The turro or the snake part? 888 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,880 Speaker 1: The snake massage? Was it a massage? Like? Did it? 889 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: Did it hit the pressure points? So it's weird the 890 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: like weight and the weight of the snake. And it 891 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,319 Speaker 1: was ice cold. I've never touched the snake before, but 892 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 1: when I felt it, it was ice cold, and if 893 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,959 Speaker 1: I kind of turned off my mind and stopped thinking 894 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,959 Speaker 1: that there's a huge Burmese python crawling around my chest 895 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: and my face and just took my mind. It was 896 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: it was confident, It was relaxing, but then it was cut. 897 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: I felt a snake's tongue like slithering on my ear. 898 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,760 Speaker 1: Back to reality. Let's start freaking out again. That snake 899 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: was that actually wasn't the snake's tongue. I was anas 900 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: right next to you. I knew. I just trying. She 901 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:04,839 Speaker 1: strodded though. That was spicy. Yeah, we were squeezing each 902 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: other's hands and the snake massage. I could tell you 903 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 1: to freak out because she would just start squeezing my 904 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 1: hand harder and harder, and I was like, okay, this 905 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: needs to end soon before one of us freaks out. Yeah, 906 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: the hot tub was it got steaming in there for sure. Yeah. 907 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: Did you feel like a real genuine spark. Yeah I did. 908 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 1: And I think it goes back to it's feelings, just 909 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: super easy from the jump, right. And she remember her 910 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: walking into the Paradise and kind of picking me for 911 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: the day card, and I asked her, said, hey, what 912 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 1: made you choose me out of all the guys. She 913 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 1: said that she saw me and like my face kind 914 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: of just lit up when I saw her, and I 915 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: had a big smile on my face, and she was like, 916 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,239 Speaker 1: I want someone that's gonna be excited and eager to 917 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,399 Speaker 1: hang out with me, So like you were an obvious choice. Then, 918 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, from the day, you know, we just had 919 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 1: fun and it was you know, we were laughing and 920 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: enjoying each other's company, and you know, we had kind 921 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: of some pretty serious conversations about her experience on the Bachelorette, 922 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: and you know how you carry a lot of insecurities 923 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: when you're surrounded by thirty guys or girls that are 924 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: all successful, you know, super handsome, that all the girls 925 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 1: are gorgeous writing, so we kind of began to peel 926 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,920 Speaker 1: back the layers of who we are as people, and 927 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,280 Speaker 1: then you know, the connection was there. But then obviously intimately, 928 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, she's gorgeous. I was attracted to her, So 929 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 1: it's it was kind of just progressed pretty quickly on 930 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,440 Speaker 1: that first day. Yeah, it's it seems like you guys 931 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: really really hit it off and just had some sort 932 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: of spark there, which was fun to see because that's 933 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 1: what we wanted for you the entire time. We wanted 934 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: you to feel that I wish she could have you know, 935 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 1: came week one or week two, but I had to 936 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: be patient, and you know it was well worth the 937 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: wait exactly. Okay, so let's get into it. Last night 938 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: we saw our fun eighties seemed paradise, prom Did you, 939 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 1: first of all, have fun that night, because I know 940 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,799 Speaker 1: there was some mixture of our emotions. Obviously, we saw 941 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: some sadness between No and Abigail and their breakup go down. 942 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: There was some other drama like you being there with Anna. 943 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: Did you enjoy it? Yeah? I had a blast, right, 944 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: Who's not gonna have fun at from who's not gonna 945 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,840 Speaker 1: have fun? Just being stupid and dressing up. Um. It 946 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,759 Speaker 1: was kind of like a flashback in time, going back 947 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 1: into the eighties. So I you know a lot of 948 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:32,800 Speaker 1: the eighties. When were you born? Yeah? Are you fifty 949 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:38,839 Speaker 1: and nobody? No, But it's like it's it's fun, kind 950 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,880 Speaker 1: of just being stupid and not taking yourself too seriously. 951 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,400 Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, when Noah and Abigail ran 952 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: into some problems, I was sad, but you know I 953 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,760 Speaker 1: was there for Anna, right. I wanted to just focus 954 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: my attention to my efforts on her and my relationship 955 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,919 Speaker 1: and progressing that forward. So you're saying I was out 956 00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: of the picture at that point. You were making out 957 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 1: his best friend at that point, so I as that 958 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,399 Speaker 1: ship had sailed to you. I'm sorry, what was your 959 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 1: reaction when you found out that Aaron was making the 960 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:17,920 Speaker 1: moves on Tia? So Tia and I were There's no 961 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 1: no hard feelings there, because I think t and I 962 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,879 Speaker 1: both were aware that we were kind of sizzling out 963 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,400 Speaker 1: at that point, and the rose that she gave me 964 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: was more of I won't call it a friendship rose, 965 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: but just an acknowledgement of yes, I know you're here 966 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: for the right reasons. Even though I may not have 967 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: found my person here, I still believe that you can. 968 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: So I think it was an understanding of that. You know, 969 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,760 Speaker 1: we were kind of going our separate ways, and Aaron 970 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: actually came up to me that night of the promise said, hey, look, 971 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,400 Speaker 1: you know T and I we kind of started as friends. 972 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,600 Speaker 1: We get along, but I'm starting to like develop something 973 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: beyond that, Like are you okay with that? And of course, 974 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,719 Speaker 1: of course I was right. You know, Aaron's you know, 975 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,879 Speaker 1: like a brother to me, and I want what's best 976 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 1: for him. I want him to find love. So he 977 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 1: came to me, and I was more than happy to 978 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 1: kind of have him pursue that, right, And I think 979 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 1: him and Cia would be a great match. Do you 980 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,319 Speaker 1: think it's weird though, that he came to you and 981 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,920 Speaker 1: not Chelsea to talk about it. Yeah, as a friend, Like, 982 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of strange, right, So I think both conversations 983 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: maybe were necessary. I'm not sure if he did have 984 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,359 Speaker 1: a conversation with prior with Chelsea pryor or after he didn't. Yeah, 985 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't think he ever did, but it made it 986 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: really uncomfortable. She wasn't mad at you. I even talked 987 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,320 Speaker 1: about she wasn't out at you two. Yeah, but it 988 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: just like we're living all living together and I'm just like, dude, 989 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 1: I love you, Chelsea. I'm so sorry. Yeah, in hindsight, 990 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: I think maybe Aaron, you know, he should have done that. 991 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,840 Speaker 1: And I didn ask him about that multiple times. I 992 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,640 Speaker 1: was like, hey, do you talk to Chelsea about this? 993 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 1: How does she feel about this? Where do you stand 994 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,480 Speaker 1: with her? Yeah? And what did he say? He's like, 995 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,279 Speaker 1: I talked to James. It's fine, Yeah, He's like, James 996 00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 1: is my number one. So jokes on everyone. I mean, 997 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 1: and Aaron actually had a predetermined relationship and had every 998 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,320 Speaker 1: knew it. I'm surprised Jill didn't kick you off the beach. 999 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,919 Speaker 1: I know. I know, well you guys actually did because 1000 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,880 Speaker 1: you live by each other. Oh, we lived down the street. 1001 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean Aaron, he's I swear, you know. I met 1002 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: him on Katie season. We talked about this all the time. 1003 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: How you know, without each other on Paradise, we both 1004 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,439 Speaker 1: probably would have crashed and burned because to have that 1005 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,120 Speaker 1: person to just kind of go and vent out too, 1006 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 1: and you know, have that friendship at the end of 1007 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 1: the night where you can just unwind and distress. I 1008 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,799 Speaker 1: probably would have lost my mind with that him there, 1009 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: So having him there was definitely kind of a nice 1010 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:45,840 Speaker 1: safety net to have. I'm glad. I'm glad someone found love. Yes, wait, okay, James, 1011 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: I have a question for you, because this is something 1012 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,040 Speaker 1: that caught my ear yesterday when I was listening. But 1013 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,000 Speaker 1: I think it had to do Oh, it definitely had 1014 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 1: to do when Aaron and Ivan were arguing and getting 1015 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,520 Speaker 1: into it the day, the night or the day before 1016 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 1: the Row ceremony. You made a comment to him when 1017 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,279 Speaker 1: you guys were chatting, basically along the lines of like, 1018 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, I've always got your back, you're my best 1019 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 1: friend here. And you don't remember what exact words you used, 1020 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,560 Speaker 1: so don't exactly quote me on this, but you said 1021 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,760 Speaker 1: something like, whether you're right or you're wrong, I'll always 1022 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,440 Speaker 1: have your back. But I wish I was intrigued by 1023 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: because if you know one of your best friends is 1024 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,759 Speaker 1: in the wrong, wouldn't you call him out regardless and 1025 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 1: be like, hey, dude, I love you, you're my guy, 1026 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,719 Speaker 1: but you're in the wrong here. And so I was 1027 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,799 Speaker 1: wondering about that that I wanted to ask you today. Yeah, 1028 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: and I think I used poor wording. Now. Of course, 1029 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,319 Speaker 1: if I feel as if he's making mistake or doing 1030 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 1: something that's going to result in a kind of a 1031 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,399 Speaker 1: negative way, or him shooting something the foot, I'm gonna say, hey, man, 1032 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,479 Speaker 1: you know I'm going to support you no matter what, 1033 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,279 Speaker 1: but I think maybe you should adjust your approach here. 1034 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,560 Speaker 1: And I think more in that moment he needed that 1035 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,839 Speaker 1: kind of just reassurance that he has me there regardless 1036 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,080 Speaker 1: of you know, he felt ganged up onto and you're 1037 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 1: kind of like the only one that was going to 1038 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,560 Speaker 1: be honest. Yeah, And I think I just want to 1039 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: make sure he knows that he has a brother nay 1040 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,400 Speaker 1: that is going to support him through anything. And you know, 1041 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 1: maybe a conversation I have after the facts saying hey, listen, 1042 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,360 Speaker 1: you know you're my guy, but just take a breath 1043 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: and go have a conversation. Maybe you should have handled 1044 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,840 Speaker 1: yourself this way that way. But really in me saying 1045 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,879 Speaker 1: that is just kind of reassuring him that no matter 1046 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 1: what decisions he makes, no matter what he does, no 1047 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 1: matter what the outcome, you know, I'm going to support 1048 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,040 Speaker 1: him and see him. Yeah, he's not alone, all right, James, 1049 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,640 Speaker 1: Before we get into our game, I need to know 1050 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,640 Speaker 1: what is the status with you in Aaron these days? 1051 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,400 Speaker 1: Because we saw this beautiful connection, this romance unfold on 1052 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,880 Speaker 1: the beach. So where do you stand with him? Listen 1053 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: that that's my guy. You know, he's he's a brother 1054 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,040 Speaker 1: for life. And you know we met on on Katie 1055 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,160 Speaker 1: season on the bat Surrett and you know we left 1056 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,400 Speaker 1: the same night we got eliminated, the same road Seremon 1057 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,799 Speaker 1: and Katie season. We continue to hang out back in 1058 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,520 Speaker 1: San Diego. He's essentially my neighbor living down the street 1059 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,719 Speaker 1: and just growing super super close. And then to find 1060 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: out that we were both gonna be on Paradise together. Um. True. 1061 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,680 Speaker 1: It was just a relationship that has grown stronger and 1062 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,880 Speaker 1: stronger as each day passes. And you know that's that's 1063 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,919 Speaker 1: going to be a friend for life. Um. I see 1064 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 1: him almost every other day, and um, you know, Aaron, 1065 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,839 Speaker 1: if you're listening, I appreciate our friendship. I love you man, 1066 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,360 Speaker 1: And it's oh my god, I'm I love it. No, 1067 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,200 Speaker 1: I honestly like I know that we joked about it 1068 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,080 Speaker 1: and everyone was like, oh, where's James with Aaron? And 1069 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 1: seriously the strongest couple in Paradise. But I think it's 1070 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,800 Speaker 1: so important to to have those friendships. I mean, you 1071 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,200 Speaker 1: not only can potentially find love in a partner on 1072 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,799 Speaker 1: the show, but it's to get through a season. You 1073 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,760 Speaker 1: always need that one person. And thankfully I had Tia, 1074 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,840 Speaker 1: you had Aaron. So I think it's it was a 1075 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,279 Speaker 1: It was a you know, whether you fall in love 1076 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,719 Speaker 1: or not, we don't know. We have to wait for 1077 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,880 Speaker 1: the finale, but at least you fell in love with Aaron, 1078 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,440 Speaker 1: and I'm glad that you two have each other. But 1079 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,040 Speaker 1: before we let you go, because I know you're a 1080 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,360 Speaker 1: busy man, busy man, we have to play a game. 1081 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,440 Speaker 1: So we've been playing this one with all of our 1082 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,760 Speaker 1: recent guests. It's it's easy, it's a Paradise Superlative games. 1083 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,920 Speaker 1: So we're just going to ask you a question and 1084 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,040 Speaker 1: you just have to name the person that it applies to, 1085 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,160 Speaker 1: so rapid fire, we'll just bang them out real quick. 1086 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 1: So I'll start, who was the funniest in Paradise? Aaron 1087 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,880 Speaker 1: best dressed? If you say Aaron, for if you say 1088 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 1: Aaron for all of these No, no one's got fresh outfits. Okay, 1089 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: who is the biggest flirt in Paradise, Dammy, Oh, I 1090 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: think we've gotten out a few times too. Um, biggest 1091 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:10,120 Speaker 1: craw baby? Oh man? Um? Wow? Who did I see 1092 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,360 Speaker 1: crying a lot? Um saw Tammy crying a lot. I'll 1093 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:19,160 Speaker 1: go with Tammy. I was gonna say, if you say Tia, Yeah, No, 1094 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,920 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think I ever. Okay. Who 1095 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:31,360 Speaker 1: was the most outspoken Joe truth parade? Um, laugh of 1096 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: the party, Demi Michew best best answer? Aaron Aaron TikTok dances. 1097 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 1: That's all he would without. But he's perfected them. He 1098 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,080 Speaker 1: has all three of them. Um, let's see what he 1099 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:59,520 Speaker 1: says on this next one. Sexiest in Paradise, Anna, I 1100 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,560 Speaker 1: knew you want to say, Aaron's so bad? I saw 1101 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,960 Speaker 1: I saw the a been forming an a. Okay, Oh, 1102 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:14,080 Speaker 1: this is a good one. Most muscular Riley, I would say. 1103 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,720 Speaker 1: I would say you too, though, James, Oh, yeah you. 1104 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 1: Riley runs for his money on his heels. But I 1105 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,480 Speaker 1: don't you know, Riley. He definitely came correct on the beach. James, 1106 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,800 Speaker 1: I have never seen anyone eat as much as you 1107 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,960 Speaker 1: in my entire life. Well, I was it was. I 1108 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:33,160 Speaker 1: loved it. You know, for breakfast, I just had endless oatmeal, fruit, eggs, 1109 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,000 Speaker 1: all the scrambles. I honestly was shocked to say, you 1110 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,560 Speaker 1: talk so much in your interviews. You're kinda like the 1111 00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 1: narrator of the season because I'm like, this dude never 1112 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,480 Speaker 1: talked during the day because he was eating. He was 1113 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,880 Speaker 1: always a food all day. So you guys, James, I 1114 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: love you, but you make me want to never have 1115 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 1: boys one day because you guys eat so much. It's 1116 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,720 Speaker 1: so offensive. I know, I'm like a bottomless pit. It's 1117 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:05,520 Speaker 1: just it's a human vacuum. I don't know where it goes. Okay, wait, Tane, 1118 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,440 Speaker 1: did you just scoor did I go? I said it, 1119 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:19,320 Speaker 1: but we talked about something else. Heartbreaker in Paradise, Um wow, Um. 1120 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,960 Speaker 1: The biggest heartbreaker in Paradise maybe Thomas, just because I 1121 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,400 Speaker 1: saw him kind of. I know how upset Tammy was, 1122 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,760 Speaker 1: and I can't really think of any major breakup or 1123 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,680 Speaker 1: kind of big switch from one girl to another. So 1124 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 1: maybe Thomas. That's a tough one at you. No, there 1125 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,080 Speaker 1: was just something in the water, like no comment. Fifth. Okay, 1126 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't quite know what this last one means, but 1127 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,840 Speaker 1: he'll know what it means he'll know the best box 1128 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,760 Speaker 1: bachelorette or Paradise. That seems highly sexual. No, he was 1129 01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,680 Speaker 1: in a box. Yeah, you were in a box in Paradise. 1130 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,720 Speaker 1: I was in a large pinata box. Yeah. On his intro, oh, 1131 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,800 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't remember you being in a box? 1132 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,640 Speaker 1: Did you sleep until there is an easy one because 1133 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,280 Speaker 1: on Katie season, I was in a three piece wool 1134 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,120 Speaker 1: suit in that box and it was about a fun 1135 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,880 Speaker 1: reason there. I was sweating bullets. I was in there 1136 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,800 Speaker 1: for hours. In Paradise, I'm on a beautiful beach in 1137 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:25,120 Speaker 1: Mexico in a bathing suit. I'm gonna go with the 1138 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,320 Speaker 1: Paradise box, no doubt about it. I was just gonna 1139 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:34,920 Speaker 1: give a really betcha that box. I was honestly like, 1140 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,880 Speaker 1: what are we hinting at her? People? That's my family 1141 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,280 Speaker 1: friendly show, James. It has been such an absolute pleasure 1142 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,280 Speaker 1: just to see you again, to ketch up and to 1143 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,600 Speaker 1: get to know you a little bit more. Because Ta 1144 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,640 Speaker 1: and I are huge fans. We have rained about you. 1145 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,800 Speaker 1: People love you. You are such a genuine kind soul, 1146 01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,920 Speaker 1: such a gentleman that I'm glad that people can see 1147 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,640 Speaker 1: like there are still great guys like you out there, 1148 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,720 Speaker 1: so thank you for joining us. I can't wait to 1149 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,360 Speaker 1: see what happens with you and Anna and Aaron next 1150 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,400 Speaker 1: week on the finale. But take care of Telvin. Thank 1151 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,360 Speaker 1: you so much for having me guys, and I miss 1152 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,600 Speaker 1: you guys. Let's let's link up soon. Yeah, I would 1153 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,760 Speaker 1: love that, Yeah for sure. From the California. Yeah you 1154 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:26,320 Speaker 1: do all right? Thanks James ce later bye, Oh, Tia. 1155 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,600 Speaker 1: What a guy. What a good guy. I know, he's 1156 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,080 Speaker 1: such a good dude, he really is. I'm glad that 1157 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,080 Speaker 1: we were able to have him on because I mean, 1158 01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,160 Speaker 1: we've been lucky enough to see bit by bit of him, 1159 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,440 Speaker 1: but it was good to see him finally form a solid, 1160 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,280 Speaker 1: solid connection. And I love that he had his first date, 1161 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,760 Speaker 1: so I know it was a little bit late in 1162 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,440 Speaker 1: the season, but he got it nonetheless, so a huge thing. 1163 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,240 Speaker 1: I mean how it was meant to be obviously since 1164 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,600 Speaker 1: they had a really good connection well, and I loved 1165 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,360 Speaker 1: how he said, like, even though he knew you and 1166 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:02,920 Speaker 1: him didn't have that romantic relationship, you everything works out, 1167 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,360 Speaker 1: and you obviously gave him that rose to stick around 1168 01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: because you knew he was there for the right reasons 1169 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,920 Speaker 1: to find someone and it was perfect timing when Anna 1170 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,439 Speaker 1: locked through those gates. So I'm glad that I'm really 1171 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 1: glad that you gave him that rose. I know again 1172 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,160 Speaker 1: it was tough for you that week, but he deserves 1173 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,120 Speaker 1: to be there. So it all but a huge thank 1174 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,240 Speaker 1: you to James and for you Tia for joining me again. 1175 01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,320 Speaker 1: It's always a blast. And to all of our Bachelor 1176 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,120 Speaker 1: Happy Hour listeners thanks for bearing with us. 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