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Speaker 1: The Mets have made some big moves this offseason, one

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Speaker 1: in particular Juan Soto. Today, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: what the rest of the moves the Mets need to

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Speaker 1: make are in order to win the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: World Series. The Winter Meetings are over, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of moves that have been made, not only by

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Speaker 1: the Mets, by a bunch of other teams. Garrett Crochet

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Speaker 1: have been some trades going on, and we still have

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Speaker 1: a lot of money to spend as the New York Mets.

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Speaker 1: This roster is not complete. There are still some holes

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Speaker 1: here and we need to figure out a way to

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Speaker 1: contending team. So we went ahead and just picked out

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Speaker 1: a bunch of names, a bunch of positions. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: just kind of go off the top of our head

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Speaker 1: here a little bit and tell you how, why, where

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Speaker 1: the Mets would be spending their money, and how they

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Speaker 1: can become a better team. James, first off, how does

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Speaker 1: it feel that wansta is now officially in New York

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Speaker 1: met The Mets put it out themselves.

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Speaker 2: The physical has been passed feels incredible. I do love

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Speaker 2: the fact that the Mets fans are still such Mets

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Speaker 2: fans that these four, these three days that lapse between

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Speaker 2: signing him and officially announcing it and passing the physical,

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Speaker 2: some people were actually nervous. Like again, I caution everybody first,

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Speaker 2: I implore everybody, then caution them to go into the

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Speaker 2: Mets community on Twitter and just be aware of like

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Speaker 2: the things that are being posted there so we'd be like,

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Speaker 2: I can't have been announcing it. Oh my god, like

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Speaker 2: what if this falls through. It's like, guy, it's not

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Speaker 2: falling through three courts of a billion dollars. It's never

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Speaker 2: going to fall through. But it feels great. It feels

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Speaker 2: great every single day this week, smile on my face,

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Speaker 2: hanging around. It's been raining in New York City for

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Speaker 2: three days. I've had a big, bright smile just walking

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Speaker 2: around my neighborhood, see Met stuff everywhere. It feels like it.

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Speaker 1: Truly.

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Speaker 2: I liken it to winning a playoff series, like that's

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Speaker 2: how it feels right now. Would be a Met fan,

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Speaker 2: probably not the World Series, but yeah, this feels like

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Speaker 2: winning the DS.

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Speaker 1: I bought season tickets. I bought tickets to eighty one games.

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Speaker 1: It's insane. I'm not gonna be able to go to

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Speaker 1: all those games. I bought them, got them.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do a giveaway at.

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Speaker 1: One point, we'll do a giveaway. We'll see it. It's

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Speaker 2: I mean right enough anyway, But so just like, take

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Speaker 2: a look at where the Mets team is right now,

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Speaker 2: where the Mets salary is right now, We're at two

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty eight and a half million dollars worths.

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Speaker 2: So though, also just so insane seeing like the contract

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Speaker 2: and twenty two million dollars in twenty twenty five. That's

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Speaker 2: it's stupid to look at. But the last level of

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Speaker 2: hundred and one million dollars, and the last couple of seasons,

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Speaker 2: million dollars. So there's good reason that the Mets have

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Speaker 2: between fifty five and one hundred million dollars left to

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Speaker 2: spend on the roster this season, depending on how they

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Speaker 2: I still don't see the Mets spending like drunken sailors,

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Speaker 2: and then we definitely need another quarnerinfield or whatever you

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Speaker 2: kind of just where I see this roster right now,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we should start off on the

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Speaker 2: So it's it's still really hard to narrow this down.

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Speaker 2: But the only comp that Mark and I could think

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Speaker 2: of when prepping for this show that could be like

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Speaker 2: Is weirdly Sonny Gray. When Sonny Gray was traded I

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Speaker 1: And that's the one thing that makes me think, like

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Speaker 2: Luis Castillo, and suddenly there can be in play for

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Speaker 1: We want to get interested in Jeff McNeil.

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Speaker 2: People keep saying that, and I keep you, there's no

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Speaker 2: fucking way the Mariners even look at Jeff mcgil. Someone's

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Speaker 2: talking about me and my tweather today and I was like,

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Speaker 2: if the Mariners trade Louis Castillo and taking Jeff McNeil,

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Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil suddenly has the third highest salary.

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Speaker 1: In that team. Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: That just can't happen. You just can't that happen. The

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Speaker 2: why are you trading Jeff McGill. You're paying his salary. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just I think that there's there's a trade package

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Speaker 2: Fred Wilpont used to call him poor when he first

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Speaker 1: Teams are also like playoff teams. Yeah, like you like,

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Speaker 1: Is this just Winter meetings were so much fun. Let's

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Speaker 2: after these guys, we get into this like weird tweet

433
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Speaker 2: or tier of pitchers who are like everyone's like the

434
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Speaker 2: Mets in the front lighte guy messing, the frontline guy,

435
00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:28,840
Speaker 2: like we just know the frontline guys that might be available,

436
00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,040
Speaker 2: they're probably not even available. Then you get to the

437
00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,840
Speaker 2: rest of free agent pitchers and some other not frontline doers,

438
00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,440
Speaker 2: but you're gonna have to pay significant money. And the

439
00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,480
Speaker 2: names that are blinking and stick out to me over

440
00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,840
Speaker 2: and over again are Sean and Iyah, Jack Flaherty, and

441
00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,760
Speaker 2: Walker Buehler. Yeah, and I don't think any of them

442
00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,040
Speaker 2: really for what they're what they're going to want money wise,

443
00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,160
Speaker 2: and how good they can actually be as pitchers, really

444
00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,880
Speaker 2: fit the bill for what the Mets want or need.

445
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Speaker 1: I think we would feel a lot better with those

446
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Speaker 1: guys being a part of this team, like in the

447
00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,480
Speaker 1: in the role that they would be. If we saw

448
00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,120
Speaker 1: Code I sang a pitch well last year. If we

449
00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,280
Speaker 1: saw him pitch ye at all like pitch, I think

450
00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,840
Speaker 1: we'd feel a lot better. But the fact that we didn't,

451
00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,720
Speaker 1: he basically hasn't pitched in a year, and the few

452
00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,560
Speaker 1: winnings that we did see were bad. So it's like,

453
00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,400
Speaker 1: it's not that we have lack of faith in Code.

454
00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,000
Speaker 1: I say it, she's like, it's a year off, Like

455
00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,800
Speaker 1: this is a very difficult sport when you're when you're sharp.

456
00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,639
Speaker 1: If we saw him do that, I think you'd be

457
00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,960
Speaker 1: way more comfortable with not even considering the trade market

458
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,879
Speaker 1: as heavily and being like, let's just bring Manya back,

459
00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,800
Speaker 1: or let's bring it a Jack Clarity Walker Buehler. But

460
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,000
Speaker 1: because we still lack that stopper in this rotation. Do

461
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Speaker 1: you want to give four for eighty eight, four for

462
00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,960
Speaker 1: ninety two to one of these guys or four for

463
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Speaker 1: one hundred, Like I don't know, but.

464
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Speaker 2: It's not even that. I think. I think that's where

465
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,800
Speaker 2: Manaia's market will wind up. And I do think that

466
00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,040
Speaker 2: there's there's so much familiarity, but it's almost like there's

467
00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,040
Speaker 2: almost too much smoke on MANI to the Mets, because

468
00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,320
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like that's something that David Stearns would do.

469
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't see David Sterns being like,

470
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Speaker 2: here's the thirty three year old who has like a weird,

471
00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,520
Speaker 2: funky arm stole. It was like one way he's a lefty,

472
00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,760
Speaker 2: every other he's a lefty. That's true, but like flairy

473
00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,840
Speaker 2: seems like the way again, the free contract is making

474
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Speaker 2: it feel he might get six years, which.

475
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Speaker 1: I don't want to touch him with a I don't

476
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Speaker 1: want to touch him with your anything.

477
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Speaker 2: I don't only one some ondly been in the same

478
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,919
Speaker 2: area coach Jack Flair, you have a six year contract.

479
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,560
Speaker 2: And then also Walker Bueler is still the one that

480
00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,600
Speaker 2: makes no sense in my brain. I don't know how

481
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,080
Speaker 2: many years, I don't know how much money. I don't

482
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Speaker 2: know how good he is. I don't know how bad

483
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Speaker 2: he is. I don't know anything's gonna happen Walker Bueler

484
00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,879
Speaker 2: in next three months. Nothing. I have no bearing on this.

485
00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,920
Speaker 2: It's the most blind I feel. It's like, yes, like

486
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,280
Speaker 2: the most blind. I feel like I've ever been a

487
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,080
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball starting pitching free agent.

488
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Speaker 1: It's no clue.

489
00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,320
Speaker 2: And then the other guy in this tier who you

490
00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,040
Speaker 2: guys are gonna hate me for is Nick Pavetta. Because

491
00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,280
Speaker 2: the Mets apparently have taken a meeting. I think they've

492
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Speaker 2: been they've taken a meeting with Nick Pavetta. But the

493
00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,520
Speaker 2: problem with Pavetta is that he has the qualifying off attachment.

494
00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:30,920
Speaker 2: So you're gonna have to give up more draft picks.

495
00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,680
Speaker 2: You just lost draft picks for so Though. That doesn't matter,

496
00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,000
Speaker 2: don't care though. I'll lose every single one for so Though,

497
00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,200
Speaker 2: But then losing them for Paveta, it's like, ah damn.

498
00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,280
Speaker 2: But then you also you get some back for seven

499
00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,439
Speaker 2: and Manaiah, You're like, you lose a third round pick,

500
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,160
Speaker 2: you get back a fourth round pick. It's like, it

501
00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,600
Speaker 2: is that worth it? You have to you can give

502
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Speaker 2: Nick Pavetda less years and less money than Sean and.

503
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Speaker 1: Iyah maybe maybe maybebe I don't know. Pitching Mark's so bizarre.

504
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,480
Speaker 1: We were even trying to like figure out who could

505
00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,880
Speaker 1: be like the next Chris Sale, because that's of course

506
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Speaker 1: like a hot name on the market. Two is like

507
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,560
Speaker 1: Chris Sale was dead, dead in the water. I know

508
00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,359
Speaker 1: Jameis was not necessar. I had to convince you that

509
00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,480
Speaker 1: he was dead off air.

510
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, because again I was playing fantasy baseball drafts last

511
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,480
Speaker 2: year and I was I was taking my Chris Sales

512
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,919
Speaker 2: in the tenth in the eighth rounds. I was like,

513
00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 2: I saw a guy with thirty percent strike out raid

514
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,200
Speaker 2: who was one of the best pitches in baseball three

515
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,040
Speaker 2: years ago. Like, I just that's worth the risk.

516
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,720
Speaker 1: It's fantasy. Like, yeah, it's fantasy. Lary Game concluded that

517
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 1: game fantasy in front of it. That's all we had

518
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Speaker 1: to know.

519
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,639
Speaker 2: Well, you do game theory, it's competition. You try to

520
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,120
Speaker 2: get the edge of the opponents. I ssay do. That's

521
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,199
Speaker 2: also a Major League Baseball works. How the Braves made

522
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 2: the fucking playoffs last year with this guy?

523
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but and then he didn't pitch. But he and

524
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,400
Speaker 1: he might be dead now who knows who. We haven't

525
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,360
Speaker 1: seen him pitch in a while. But like we looked

526
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,679
Speaker 1: at some of the older gentlemen that are on the

527
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 1: pitching market that maybe have a couple of years left

528
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,400
Speaker 1: or whatever, that have been injured, there's not many. It's

529
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Speaker 1: like you, Darvish and Brandon Woodruff, and I don't think

530
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,640
Speaker 1: the Brewers are gonna trade us Brandon Woodruff. I feel

531
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Speaker 1: like there might be some bad blood there. You. I

532
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 1: think Darvish could be a guy, but also like man,

533
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 1: he's really not been healthy at all and expensive.

534
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Starvage, I'm pulling up his contract right now. Darvish is,

535
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 2: oh shit, Darvis is quite cheap. Darvish has owed twenty

536
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,760
Speaker 2: one million dollars next year, sixteen, the year after that,

537
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 2: and two years at fifteen. So you Darvish is owed

538
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 2: four years and sixty seven million dollars. That's an incredible

539
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,640
Speaker 2: He is thirty eight. He signed until he's forty one.

540
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 1: What are these contracts? The Padres were signing Oh my god,

541
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Speaker 1: but they don't care.

542
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Speaker 2: In Darviis is the kind of guy that like, I'm

543
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 2: really comfortable how he's going to age because he has

544
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,479
Speaker 2: nineteen pitches. Like I'm like, I don't. I don't think

545
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 2: you Darbish will ever be bad. I think sometimes you

546
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 2: Darwish will just get hurt. But there's no way he's bad.

547
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 2: Like I wonder why there's no smoke around him when

548
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 2: there's so much more smoke about cease like I just

549
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 2: made because he maybe have no trade clause and he's

550
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Speaker 2: just like I'm staying yeah, maybe I see Even Darvish

551
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 2: Flossi last year kind of fell a little bit. He

552
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 2: had the situation his brother too. We spent a lot

553
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 2: of the year in Japan. But he's like, in terms

554
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 2: of trying to find a guy that's out full, no

555
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,479
Speaker 2: trade clause gonna happen. That's why he's not beig mentioned.

556
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 2: But it's just trying to find guys that are dead,

557
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 2: and there's two guys who might be dead.

558
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Speaker 1: Don't you say those names.

559
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 2: There's two guys that might be dead. You're gonna probably

560
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 2: get really cheaply and they might be able to give

561
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,239
Speaker 2: you like one hundred fifty innings with them upside, I'm

562
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Speaker 2: gonna throw up. The two guys' names are stop. We've

563
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 2: heard these before, Mets fans justin Verlandern.

564
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,439
Speaker 1: Mack sure, everyone just clicked off. Everybody. Just you know what,

565
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 1: I'll give you another one, Jacob de Gram, you want.

566
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Speaker 2: To that start signing any these fucking guys. There's no chance,

567
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: there's no chance. It's just we're trying to find like

568
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 2: the Chris sale archetype guys that could be dead that

569
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 2: we can bring back to life. Sadly, that just doesn't

570
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 2: happen every year. No, no, it might not happen again.

571
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Speaker 1: Guys have a really difficult time throwing like one hundred

572
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 1: and ten innings over a four year stretch. That doesn't

573
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Speaker 1: normally happen. And then you come back and when the

574
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Speaker 1: cy young, No, so.

575
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Speaker 2: Then we get back into the same bucket of bullshit

576
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 2: free agent pitchers we've been talking about for the last

577
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: few months here, and it's guys like Spencer Turnbull who

578
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 2: try to squeeze out one hundred thirty innings of good stuff.

579
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 2: It's guys like cal Quantra put in the back of

580
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: the rotation business saying now we're getting further and further

581
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: away from though, from the idea of like how the

582
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: Mets can win this World Series because you need you

583
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if they want to

584
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: pone you up and like start this window where you

585
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,199
Speaker 2: have Solo and Lindor in their primes, you probably do

586
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: have to push them chips in, some prospect chips and

587
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: make a trade for one of these top line guys.

588
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: And I will say this, as great as it would

589
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Speaker 1: be to have a World Series roster perfect going into

590
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 1: the year, trade deadline also gets crazy every single year.

591
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: There's always some guys that end up being moved. So

592
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: just because the Mets maybe don't have the ace on

593
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: opening Day doesn't mean that by during the middle of

594
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: the season, by the trade deadline, whatever it is, the

595
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: Mets can't improve. Teams do this every single year. You

596
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 1: go out and make trades, So just because there might

597
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 1: not be the perfect fit right now does not mean

598
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Speaker 1: it's the end of the world by any means for

599
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: this twenty twenty five season.

600
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Speaker 2: Totally, and a couple of guys on this list, namely

601
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Speaker 2: Dylan Cees, franber Valdez, Zach Gallen, and even slightly Pabo

602
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: Lopez there's a good chance that those their teams are

603
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: not doing as well as they expected in the middle of July,

604
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: and they pivot and they make the trade and they

605
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 2: try to start their rebuilds, especially guys like Ceese, Framburn

606
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: Gallen who will be free agents twenty twenty six.

607
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean there's other guys to like with

608
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: the Marlins at some point will be super bad and

609
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: trying to trade off some guys. Well.

610
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Speaker 2: I think that Marlins are an interesting one because a

611
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: lot of people have been throwing out the name Hasl's

612
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: Cizzar though. I don't think the Marlins will trade Lazarre

613
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 2: though now. But I think there's going to be a

614
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 2: cushiony spot for lazar Tho these next few months to

615
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: rebuild his value. I think that was in the Marlins

616
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 2: jump and they trade him. He's someone that will make

617
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 2: sense to in a few months possibly. But I think

618
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: that again, there's a good point you made. Mets can

619
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 2: definitely have the prospect happen. We can get an asmid season.

620
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: Just because we don't go into the season one isn't horrible.

621
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 2: I'd like to go into the season one. It would

622
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,719
Speaker 2: be too It would make go open day a lot

623
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: more fun if Dylan ceases on the mound and watch

624
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: it was hitting second. But yeah, I think they're the Yeah,

625
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: there's probably a way. But the main point we're trying

626
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 2: to make here is that the current pitching market doesn't

627
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 2: give the Mets a very obvious answer to fill the

628
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: top of the rotation. So we might have to be

629
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: a little bit easy with our expectations heading into the season.

630
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: Joe from Massa Peak was going to be frustrated for

631
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: a little bit longer pissed. He be so upset the

632
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 2: entire island of Staton is going to be outraged.

633
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: Now to switch gears here a little bit, Let's talk

634
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: about some offense here corner infield. You're either getting a

635
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: first basement or you're getting a third baseman. The Mets

636
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: need one of them. You're either moving Vientos the first

637
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: keeping them at third. You're getting a first baseman. It

638
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: looks like the Yankees are going to get Christian Walker,

639
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: and personally, well.

640
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 2: Cold Wabb has been throwing that in the last couple

641
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 2: of hours. What happened apparently talked dissipated. They were expecting

642
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: to leave the meetings with the deal, and now they've

643
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: left with that one.

644
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, so that's a little bit of twist. But

645
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: Peter Alonso is the name that I think everybody on

646
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Speaker 1: the Mets wants. I want Peter Alonzo back. We heard

647
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: from John Hayman or and pass and I think when

648
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: on a podcast on Baseball Tonight, they're talking about Alonso's

649
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: market and they were like, yeah, it's non existent, Like

650
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: people aren't calling Pete Alonzo. He was posting on his

651
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: Instagram story the other night drinking chlorophyll water and I

652
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: looked what it is and it's sponsor. It's very much

653
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: pushed by Gwyneth Paltrow, so you know it can't be

654
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: any good. And I was like, Peete, come on, man,

655
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: like you're getting that board, You're you're pushing green water.

656
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: That's insane.

657
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: No, but I think that's kind of the best case

658
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: in error for the Mets. Oh to be able to

659
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: play the way the game of pi Alonzo.

660
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Speaker 1: Amazing that no one's calling his phone, because again, being

661
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: around Pete even for a second, you know exactly what

662
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: kind of person he is, and you know he's freaking

663
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: out every single day. He's having a horrible time, and

664
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Speaker 1: I feel bad for him, but it's gonna be great. Yeah,

665
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: we get him, I mean again, or then you just

666
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Speaker 1: do a pivot somewhere else. But like, what is the

667
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: actual pivot if we want to, like, let's say, is

668
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Speaker 1: there a possible way to improve on pi Alonzo, because

669
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Speaker 1: like we said before, this team is a little bit

670
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: clunky slow with petere Lonzo and one, so the one

671
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: and not that that's a bad thing. So two guys

672
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: are going combine for seventy five home runs, so that's great.

673
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about Cloqui and slow.

674
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: But is there a way because we're not careerly connected

675
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 2: to Alex Bregman at the all, cold Wall has been

676
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: throwing on an Olan Arna that even though he put

677
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: us on his list of preferred teams, yeah the six

678
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 2: shadow that we're a preferred team right now.

679
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: He said he wants to win and also has the

680
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: Angels on that list.

681
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 2: There you go, So if there is, well, I if

682
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 2: I can't win, I'd like to live in Orange Gantty, California.

683
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: But the one game going throughout there another discussing another

684
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: blast in the past, talking about the Twins cutting payroll.

685
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 2: I wonder what's going on with Carlos Korea.

686
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: I think he's definitely on the block. I think way

687
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: more than Pablo Lopez. It's because he's getting paid thirty

688
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: three million dollars a year for like the next seven

689
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: like he's got the bag. And I'm sure the twins

690
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: if there's any contractor like the guy who plays one

691
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: hundred and ten games a year, we'd love to wash

692
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: our hands of this. Why did we do this again?

693
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: And I don't know if there's a weird situation between

694
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: him and the Mets, but Carl's career had a major

695
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: front load the contract. He's making thirty seven million dollars

696
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: this year, thirty three next year, the year after that,

697
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: thirty one the year after that, and then four vesting

698
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: options that are twenty five, twenty fifteen to ten, and

699
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: those options vest with unbelievable clauses. It's five hundred and

700
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: seventy five played appearances or a top five the MVP

701
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: or World Series MVP, and then it's five hundred and

702
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: fifty play appearances was another top five the MVP or

703
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 2: a World Series or LCSMVP, and it kind of goes

704
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 2: down like that, slightly fewer play appearances for those seasons

705
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: to option, But basically you only have to pay Carl's

706
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: career a premium money for his age thirty, thirty one,

707
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: thirty two, and thirty three seasons, where of course that's

708
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: not that's kind of the back end of a guy's prime.

709
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: But basically, will Carls create did last year. I's still

710
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: incredibly good player, who would be the best defensive third

711
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: basement in baseball, probably the second top three defensive third

712
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: basement baseball. Second happens and there's no rumors of this,

713
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 2: there's no link to this. I'm sure it might be

714
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: weird because of what happened with him and the Mets

715
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: the first time. But if there's any way to improve

716
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 2: the corner infield and not get Pete Alonzo, I think

717
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: he's probably the big blinking light to circle you only

718
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: want to do it.

719
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: I've got an interesting take for you, and I said

720
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: this last offseason. I really I still felt into my

721
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: bones that they should have gone hard draped this. What

722
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: about Cody Bellinger. The Cubs want to get rid of

723
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: him immediately. They're trying any way to get rid of

724
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: that contract. They don't want to pay him. I know

725
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: we're talking about corner infield. He can play first base

726
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: completely fine, probably more valuable for us in center field

727
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: truthfully significantly, What if could that be an option? Like

728
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: the Cubs. The Cubs want to get rid of him

729
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: so badly they have no interest in keeping Cody Bellinger around.

730
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: Code Belger. Now you have a two year, fifty two

731
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: and a half million dollars deal, and again, like you

732
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: if I'm going to pay a first baseman twenty six

733
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: million dollars annually, Yeah, I think Plonzo gives more to

734
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: the team than Cody Bellinger. Codey Belder has a value

735
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: track though I love Codey Belinger has the value of

736
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: how many years Pete really going to get in now?

737
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: Five maximum?

738
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: But then here's the other thing you're and you're gonna say,

739
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: Cody Bellinger has the value of all being able to

740
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: play center field. Okay, So then like that's good, Maybe

741
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: that that's part of it. Then get next year first

742
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: and let Baty and Mauricio fight it out for third base.

743
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: We know we talked about all those young guys, like

744
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: maybe that's maybe that's the easy way that you figure

745
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: out how to not only get the young guys playing

746
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: time that are are pretty good prospects as well as

747
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: getting some actual value by getting Vanto's off third base,

748
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: improving defense there and having a great defensive centerfielder in Belinger.

749
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, that is probably where the value comes from.

750
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: And then too, if you're going to do that, you

751
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: probably still need another actual corner infielder.

752
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then but that's like that's where you could

753
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: like have some ridiculous.

754
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: D and DH's rotates around a little bit.

755
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where you could have some fun where

756
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, you need another quarner infielder, right, Like

757
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, you knock on Carlos Santana's door, see

758
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: what he's up to, Like, do you want to see

759
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: what he's doing? Do you want to see Like if

760
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: you move over to third base, there's no one there.

761
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not gonna looking at third base actually,

762
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: but like in the first base, like Carlos Santana, Josh

763
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: bell like, those are some of the guys that again

764
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: not exciting by any means, Carlston Adam or so. But

765
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get a guy like Cody Bellinger, I

766
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 1: think this allows for this to make a little bit

767
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: more sense.

768
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, does, but again that only works out for Bellinger

769
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: if you're like, you're going to be the center fielder.

770
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: I think if you're paying Cody Bellinger that money, him

771
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: playing for a gree is kind of silly. And again

772
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: also but like the the platooning could work there, especially

773
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: as a lot of dealer. He can play every single

774
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: day against Rdy's Yeah, and just depends on who else

775
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: is hot, who else is cold, Like you can also

776
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: he can play first base and from the Seventh Inning

777
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: album Jose Siries comes in the game. Yeah, yeah, like

778
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't have He's definitely a weapon. I don't know.

779
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: That probably is interesting. We haven't been linked at all

780
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: those keeps being the Yankees Yankees Yankees, you know.

781
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: But I would lie like he I was all over

782
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: in last offseasons, like I think this is like such

783
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: an obvious because it was more so again to play

784
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: center field, but also Pete insurance. I was like, why

785
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: would we not do this? Yeah, make Peter sweat more.

786
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: I don't even hate camp both of them.

787
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I get that fu Yeah, we got

788
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: all this money, why not like.

789
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: The Like again, we said at the top of the show,

790
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: the Mets are going to spend minimum fifty five million

791
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: more dollars probably this offseason, and the maximum could be

792
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: like stupid it Tuldople, depending on how this Patty shit

793
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: winds up working out. I think there's a reason because

794
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: I think the next thing the Mets need them matter

795
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: who else against the cornerfield, I think they still need

796
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: another bat because you probably do need a guy who

797
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 2: can be around the infield a little bit.

798
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: I got one for you, who Oh my god.

799
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't count. I'm talking about someone who actually hit

800
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: and who can actually. I'm just saying, like, let's say

801
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: you add Peepe back to this team. That's just the

802
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: easiest thing to do. Pizza first, Fieto's a third, Then

803
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: your bench going, and then McNeil's at second. Your bench

804
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: on opening day is Luise Terrenz, Luis and Helocunya, Ronnie Mauricio, Jose,

805
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: Tyrone Taylor.

806
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I'm fine with that.

807
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: I think you need another bat. I think you other bat.

808
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: They're stalking about your dhfing he is your second baseman.

809
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: You want to win a World Series, I think you

810
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: need one more actual bat, and you'd let all you

811
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: let you only let one of the young guys open

812
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: the season on the team. Then when there's an injury

813
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: or something goes wrong, then the next guy comes up.

814
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: But you kind of want one spot to fight for Baby,

815
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: for Akunya, for Mauricio.

816
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: So then what what does this extra bat have to

817
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: do defensively as well? Because or is it just simply

818
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna be an extra DH You're gonna pinch it

819
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: and do that kind of thing.

820
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: That's a question too. Do you think this team is

821
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: better with someone who can play by the defense or

822
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: better offense? I think it's probably the offense.

823
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need a hit legit hither are you looking

824
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: at like just take a shot on some guys? Like

825
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: are you like Zelloy himanez alive? Can he do anything? Ever? Again?

826
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: Like I mean like you get like a thumper who

827
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: can just again murdered, right, he's like Jock petersh in

828
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: every single day like someone But like then you get

829
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: the same situation as j. J. Martinez last year where

830
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: it does feel like the roster tightens up a little

831
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: bit when you get someone's DH. Only like as far

832
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: as a guy that can play the field and you

833
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: don't want to die, Like does do you call jerks

834
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: and profile to do some weird shit like I don't

835
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: like that that much at all.

836
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: No, he's almost better if he's playing, more like, I

837
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: don't want him to be like not playing. I feel

838
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: like we saw last year when he plays every day,

839
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: did a pretty good job. So it almost feel like

840
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: just extraly. I think teams are gonna pay him to

841
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: play every day too. I don't think he's gonna take

842
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: the sit on the bench for the Mets.

843
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: No, I mean, but I think the Mets have a

844
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: team right now or someone would like to be a

845
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: four hundred play the parents guy for weeks at this point.

846
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: Everybody's begging us to say, Jesse Winker, I know that

847
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: just gonna happen.

848
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: Jesse, Wait, he's possible. He just seems a little bit

849
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: extraneous with Monso.

850
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: Though, which is we know Tommy FAM's not coming back,

851
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: so that's that one went back, So.

852
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: It probably does make sense to dip back into trade

853
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: pool for this. Like the guy who I would the

854
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: Mets to be connected with is Josh Naylor of the Guardians. Yeah,

855
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: but we I mean, we've heard them say multiple times

856
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: that he is available. He do fourteen million dollars years

857
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: last year before free agency he's a first baseman who

858
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: but also we're very happy when he dhs. He's got

859
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 2: some shit to him. He makes a ton of contact.

860
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: He has great power. I think he's someone that would

861
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: really ingratiate themselves the Mets fan quickly with all the

862
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: fire he plays with, Like there's there are options like

863
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: that out there as well.

864
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking around at some of the other positions. I mean,

865
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: the free agent, the freegent hit The list is bad

866
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: right now, it's bad. Yeah, it's super bad now all

867
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: it's sometimes like it's guys we're not going after because

868
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: we got the guy. We got the number one dude,

869
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: so you can't really worry about the other ones. In Pete.

870
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the free agents that are coming up here.

871
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: It is it's an interesting group of guys where no

872
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: one really stands out as like this kind of role.

873
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: The other name I like throwing out two and I

874
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: threw this out to you the other night is YONDI

875
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: maybe at first base if the Rage would look to move.

876
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: Him, yeah, as possible. And that's someone where I don't

877
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: know how much they want for him, but like people

878
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: thirty five people keep assing us to talk about training

879
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: for Vladi McGrath junior. There's no way he's so good. Yeah,

880
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: like he's gonna get like four hundred and fifty million

881
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: dollars next.

882
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: Season the open. I would rather just be in on

883
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: the free agent market with him than trade for him

884
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: right now. I think. I think, like what we'd have

885
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: to give up for a guy like Flad Junior to

886
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays. We give up a ton for one year? Yeah,

887
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: for one year, when realistically like if we want Vlad,

888
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: we'll just get him next year, which is so ignorant,

889
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: but I love it.

890
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: And people keep being like, just sign him and like

891
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: get trade from time to an extension? Do you guys,

892
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: just see what happened once. So though no one is

893
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: going to sign extensions anymore. No, Bobby Wood Junior is

894
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: going to murder his agents for that contract that he signed.

895
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: Got three hundred million. But he's gonna be all right.

896
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: That agent, but that agent should never should never walk

897
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: the streets again before he did to Bobby Wood Junior,

898
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: like truthfully, like it's just not it's like, no one's

899
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: going to not test the market against or want so

900
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: it just showed you what testing the market is.

901
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: Like Kyle Tucker just missed like ninety games last year.

902
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm hitting free agency.

903
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: Bumping a five hundred million dollars, Like, who's up some

904
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: other guys you could possibly like? Contracts up next year?

905
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: Trevor Story, he's not at the got his deal even

906
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: though he's a free agent next year.

907
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber, but he's not. Get straight to the Mets.

908
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: Swing a deal with Kyle Schwarb, but that'd be crazy.

909
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: I think Naylor's the one that sticks out the most

910
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: from next year's for agent crop, So I mean.

911
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: You also have it. I'm gonna say this this as

912
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: the last like crazy pipe dream, even though this goes

913
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: against Jerry Ryan Store if not wanting te with the Mets. Robart,

914
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: what's going on with Luis Robert? What's happened where we

915
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: gotta kicked the tires? At least?

916
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: I mean his contract gets plays from eight million to

917
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: twenty million next year and cool deal? Yeah that'd be great.

918
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: Still still deal. I just don't know what I don't know.

919
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: Jerry Reinstow hates the Mets organization for for two generations

920
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: of ownership.

921
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: I think, man, would you rather okay, this is would

922
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: you rather have Louis robaron centerfield or Peter Alonzo.

923
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: At first base, Louis row baron centerfield.

924
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough one though, right, Like it's.

925
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 2: I think about that, Yeah, because.

926
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: Robert has the unbelievable ceiling of if it ever clicks

927
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: for him, he'll just be one of the ten best

928
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: players in baseball.

929
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: Also, could not easily not he off injured bad attitude,

930
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: could wind up very bad.

931
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: He could wind up being Edward like that could be

932
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: the player who ends up being But.

933
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 2: Look what we got it. Re Varre's Misson accomplished exactly.

934
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: So it's like there's some there's some scary stuff there

935
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: with him. But you you'd take Robert over Pete Alonso

936
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: for the next like five years on the Mets.

937
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Robert's I was also wrong about the

938
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: payer before his luxury tax pounties years eight million is

939
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: being paid fifteen. So Robert has a three year contract

940
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: for fifty five million dollars free. That's amazing. And you

941
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: guya think that his age twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty

942
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 2: nine seasons.

943
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting.

944
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: Bets have so many things to do, it's crazy, so

945
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: many things, That's what I'm saying, Like every twenty one

946
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: hours a day, like David Start has to be.

947
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: In the room just like oh my god.

948
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 2: Also like another guy I've seen people like some people

949
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: I messed with the same I got MJD. Analysis said

950
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: that this would be a good fit Willie Castro just

951
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: something going too, could play everywhere, like the Mets getting

952
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: a glue guy for this last gey, I think wuld

953
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: be great, which is again why Jose Glaciers probably doesn't

954
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: make sense. But also like that is Burricio and that

955
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 2: is Akunya, like those guys were developed as glue guys.

956
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: And David Surtons specifically talked about Brett Bayy's newfound a

957
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: positional flexibility the other day to do that. But I

958
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 2: can't see him. I can't see him being Ben's obras.

959
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: I mean maybe he will benz OBErs. Maybe that's how

960
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: that happens. Brandon Low's no, We've talked about before. He

961
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: can play a couple. He can play some positions poorly,

962
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: so if it Guy's really fine, yay, fine, corner Rauldfield

963
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: not so good. But like he's again sell the left

964
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: you bat like it's just they have to get more.

965
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: The whole point is this episode is that we need

966
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: more bodies. Yes, the Mets are lacking. We hadn't even

967
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: talked about the bullpen.

968
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: We actually have a ton of bodies, but it's just

969
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: like no one that you're like, there's a lot of

970
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: non guarantees on this team right now. We have a

971
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: lot of bodies. It's just like, what is Brett Baty,

972
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: what is Ron Mauricio, what's a Kunya, what's McNeil, what's

973
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: Starling Marte? Like there's there are question marks around those guys,

974
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: without a doubt, a little question mark around some of

975
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: the guys even that they do have in general, like

976
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: Alparez had an up and down year last year and.

977
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: Him as the catcher that was comfortable, but there is

978
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: just for this team having won so and Francisco Lindor

979
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,959
Speaker 2: on it, it's the bottom of the roster is still

980
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: not very good. And I'm sure if you're on Twitter,

981
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: you've seen every single Yankee fans saying that, so we

982
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: all know that as Mets fans, but they just there's

983
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: simply a lot of work to do, and like then,

984
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: just to talk about believers for a second, it's the

985
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 2: same guys we've been talking about. The Daniel Collins, the

986
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: the Hoby Millen, there's the Jose Lea Clerks, Like it's

987
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 2: just gonna be bring pepper, peppering. That's here, just getting

988
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: as many of these kind of weird looking relievers you can,

989
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: seeing who you can get a lot out of. Jadan

990
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: Leawisaca was signed, Im Garcia was signed. Those are two

991
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: of my favorite targets. They're both off the board. Sam

992
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: Jordan Armando, who embarrassing for the Blue Jays that they

993
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: got really Jordan Mono and he signed for basically the

994
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 2: same money from the Phillies.

995
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, since its insane, it's horrible. Yeah.

996
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: Jake Jacob Webbs off the board too. He was a

997
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: very interesting name. I wonder if the Meswindo. But Ryan

998
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: Yarborough is a weird bulk guy who can just be

999
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: in the middle be this year's Adrian Howser. Yeah, Kit Tridge.

1000
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like it's the same names over and

1001
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 2: over again. This reliever market feels stagnant, so it's.

1002
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: Hard to Kendall Graveman.

1003
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, bring back food, Janami. I don't know. I just

1004
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: mean David start is going to sign one year, one

1005
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: year pillow deals for relievers. That's just what it's going

1006
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 2: to be that's it.

1007
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: Drew Smith is still out there.

1008
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: Ray Kerr back to the Braves. Damn it, ah, there

1009
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: it is happened over Thanksgiving. Damn it's heartbreaking, horrible, that's back.

1010
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: Jacob Barnes.

1011
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying, like it's hard to even talk

1012
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: about the reliever mark he because has barely materialized. Yeah,

1013
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: and like the ones that did move, Clay Holmes, he

1014
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: just started. Now, yeah, we got them, we got we

1015
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: got Clay Holmes and the other ones. I was like,

1016
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: I didn't really care about any of the other ones

1017
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: in particular, why is it goo going to the Yankees?

1018
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: I would have taken the wise ago but yeah.

1019
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 2: Shout shadow like deporta three years a twenty seven million dollars.

1020
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: I think we found uping one for three.

1021
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: That guy has missed all off season. I mean, he

1022
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: couldn't be wrong.

1023
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 2: That's a shame. But that's it. I again, I would

1024
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: have liked that deal, but it's not gonna happen.

1025
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: I think that's it, right, anything else, I.

1026
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: Think that's it. I mean basically with this episode had

1027
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: in the World series, it'll be difficult.

1028
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: And are like there's a lot you know what the Mets.

1029
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: A lot of things David Stearns and things are just

1030
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to go right. You have to play well

1031
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: to be fair. What I feel better about this team

1032
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: this year that I did last year. Yeah, and they

1033
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: had a great season last year. So I'm not gonna

1034
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: pretend like, uh, you know, I'm not gonna be screaming

1035
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: from the rooftops. We're in the World Series. I think

1036
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: we're just excited that Wan Soto's here and now we

1037
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: figure out the puzzle pieces around him to hopefully get

1038
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: us a World Series championship.

1039
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: And the bottom line is you might not see these

1040
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: moves coming. It's going to take a lot of creativity

1041
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: for David Starts to put like a real world's here

1042
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: is contending team on the field.

1043
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: But that's why we have him, because he's the best

1044
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: at this.

1045
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: And we have four months like we're good, we're fine,

1046
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 2: We're ready to do this. The winter meetings just happened,

1047
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: like you feel like wance happened. Everything got like everything

1048
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: sucked in. Yeah, to focus a little bit more, but

1049
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: now the real work actually starts.

1050
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: It's literally not even twenty twenty five, the year that

1051
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: the season happens, and hasn't even come yet December twelfth.

1052
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: This is earlier last off season, the Yankees got one,

1053
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: so though.

1054
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, there's a lot of time left, guys, a

1055
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: lot of time.

1056
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: I saw a funny thing on Twitter that when Max

1057
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: Freeze contract with the Yankees is up, Wan Soda will

1058
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 2: be one year old and Aaron Judges right now.

1059
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's crazy. Oh my god, double just over

1060
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: halfway through his contract with the Mets.

1061
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, they Judges. Thirty two is gonna be thirty three soon.

1062
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, and so those twenty.

1063
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: Six Yeah, god, he's so cool, he's so awesome. He's Mets.

1064
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: We did it is on the Mets, guys. A lot

1065
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: of work to do, David Stats a lot of work,

1066
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: a lot of work. We'll keep updating you as we go.

1067
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: Make sure you are fine following us on all our

1068
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: social media at Mets up on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok.

1069
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: Subscribe to the Mets Up podcast YouTube channel if you

1070
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,880
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