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Speaker 1: is Wins the August twenty third, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen,
Speaker 1: episode number twenty eight. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
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Speaker 1: supposed to ask? Joined by Amber Garcia, David Hellman, Nick Eatman.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for joining us for another edition of
Speaker 1: The Break. We're gonna get into a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: this morning. We're gonna talk first about some injuries, and
Speaker 1: we'll get into some conversation about the defensive tackle position,
Speaker 1: a lot of going on, a lot going on at
Speaker 1: that position. We'll talk a little bit more about Cooper Rush,
Speaker 1: who got some more reps with the second team yesterday,
Speaker 1: and then we'll get questions from you guys throughout the show.
Speaker 1: I think Amber has a game for us as well
Speaker 1: that we'll get to in the third segment. See or no, no,
Speaker 1: I have something else for you. Oh we got something new,
Speaker 1: all right, good, so you stay tuned for that. How's
Speaker 1: everybody doing this morning? Good? Good? Great. Let's jump right in.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about injuries first. There were a couple guys
Speaker 1: yesterday that left practice. I don't think any of this
Speaker 1: was serious, but I think the reason it was probably
Speaker 1: most notable is because of the names of the guys
Speaker 1: that left practice. Charles Tapper, Chas Green. Tell me about
Speaker 1: their injuries and h I guess, reassure me that they'll
Speaker 1: be fine. No, no, there's no reassuring there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can you can trust Kellen Moore to drive the
Speaker 1: ball up and down the field more that you can
Speaker 1: trust these two. Wow, tell me how you feel. I'm
Speaker 1: tired of those two sty like Brian Well No, I mean,
Speaker 1: but every time we talk about those two guys, I'm
Speaker 1: like out Tapper and Greens who were talking about Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tapper and Green, Tapper has the next range. Chaz Green was,
Speaker 1: I guess cramping, Chads Hey cramps. Des gets cramps every week.
Speaker 1: Q Allen iverson here. I mean, seriously, we want these
Speaker 1: guys to compete in games, but it's practice that they're
Speaker 1: like getting banged up in I mean, like you can't
Speaker 1: count on them in games if they're getting hurt in practice.
Speaker 1: I don't consider cramps getting hurt. I mean yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, Chads. It's easy to kind of roll your
Speaker 1: eyes because it's all it seems like it's always something
Speaker 1: with him. But I mean he's not hurt. Okay, he's not.
Speaker 1: He's not hurt. He didn't finish practice though, and he's
Speaker 1: had a golden opportunity to start here at left guard
Speaker 1: because these other two guys aren't taking the job and
Speaker 1: he can't. He can't do it. So I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying he's not a guy you can count on.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been he I mean, every the argument with
Speaker 1: him is still the same and he hasn't proven he
Speaker 1: can do it for sure. And I mean that's fine.
Speaker 1: But him having cramps and getting the night the gang,
Speaker 1: we're thank you, Alan, thank him leaving to get some fluids.
Speaker 1: I mean it was after compete period, so I think
Speaker 1: there was one more team period left, so like fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes more of practice. Are like, ah, it's fine, get
Speaker 1: some fluids and try again tomorrow. Like I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lose sleep about that, And I don't really know the
Speaker 1: severity of Charles Tapper. Next train doesn't sound good. It
Speaker 1: doesn't sound good at all like that. See that sounds
Speaker 1: like something I could be wrong. But I expect Chats
Speaker 1: to be on the field today. I don't know about Tap,
Speaker 1: so that'll be something to keep an eye on. And
Speaker 1: that's and and I'm way more fresh. I get more
Speaker 1: frustrated with Tapper than Chadz because of I mean, like
Speaker 1: you know, every I've said this before, every time Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones talked about Jalen Smith all through the last year,
Speaker 1: he mentioned Tapper two. So you put those expectations on
Speaker 1: the guy, and you know, he hasn't been bad at
Speaker 1: training camp, but he hasn't lived up to like that
Speaker 1: type of billing. And a lot and a lot of
Speaker 1: that has to do with him being injured too, So
Speaker 1: that one's a little more frustrating. But I want to
Speaker 1: hear a little bit more about the severity of it. Well,
Speaker 1: part of that for Tapper two is that this is
Speaker 1: an effective first year. Like, yeah, because of the injuries
Speaker 1: last year, you're getting the first year player, and so
Speaker 1: you don't expect him to necessarily all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: be great. You expect that he's going to have to
Speaker 1: kind of work toward becoming a good player. That was
Speaker 1: my expectation for Charles Tapper. But the hype that got
Speaker 1: built around him, I mean, you would have thought we
Speaker 1: were talking about a first round pick instead of a
Speaker 1: fourth the way the way he was billed as somebody
Speaker 1: that's going to take the defense to the next level.
Speaker 1: I don't immediately, I don't think that was ever a
Speaker 1: realistic expectation for him. But that was the billing. And
Speaker 1: that's why I mean, and that's why he comes up
Speaker 1: as a guy who aggravates people when he gets hurt,
Speaker 1: because that's the expectation that they had for him going
Speaker 1: into this training camp. And you've got so many other
Speaker 1: defensive ends that you know they're either hurt or they're
Speaker 1: going to be suspended. You would like to have, Hey,
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton, he's ready to play, he's getting better and better.
Speaker 1: Tapper comes back. He's a guy who can plug in,
Speaker 1: and I just don't know if you can count on
Speaker 1: him to do that. But I think Tyrone Crawford, are
Speaker 1: we going to get into him? Yeah, well we go ahead.
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks like a guy that's gonna play
Speaker 1: on the week one against the Giants. I'd be surprised
Speaker 1: if he doesn't. I mean just the way he's kind
Speaker 1: of walking around out of the boot. He went from
Speaker 1: boot to crutch to just nothing real quick. I mean,
Speaker 1: what was that two weeks ago? That was before the
Speaker 1: Rams game, right, Yeah, yes, so it's been it's probably
Speaker 1: been about two weeks and he's still working through it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not ready to play right now, but
Speaker 1: he looks he looks pretty good, he's moving pretty well.
Speaker 1: They really dodge one with that one, because the day
Speaker 1: that that happened, I think everybody was pretty sold on
Speaker 1: the fact that this was going to be much more
Speaker 1: serious than it has been. Yeah, and if he misses
Speaker 1: basically training camp and his back by the season opener,
Speaker 1: that's a big big I saw him at training camp
Speaker 1: like a couple of days after it had happened, and
Speaker 1: it was kind of more settled, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I guess, congrats isn't really a fitting thing to say,
Speaker 1: but like, you know, but it is. It kind of
Speaker 1: is like, I'm happy for you that it wasn't as
Speaker 1: bad as we thought it was when it happened. Right,
Speaker 1: not to put these two guys in the same sentence,
Speaker 1: but to me, the Giants guy is gonna play and
Speaker 1: Crawford's gonna play, I mean o'dale. Yeah, there's a report
Speaker 1: out there this morning that suggests that maybe he doesn't play.
Speaker 1: I believe when I see a Dave, you and I
Speaker 1: had this conversation before get on the year. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody on this set probably thinks if you have
Speaker 1: to bet right now, I don't think anybody's betting on
Speaker 1: the fact that Odell doesn't play against the Cowboys at AT
Speaker 1: AT and T Stadium to open the season, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know the severity of the injury.
Speaker 1: It's an ankle, right, I mean, he'll probably say that's
Speaker 1: the dreaded high ankle. But hey, I mean he's Odell Beckham.
Speaker 1: They'll probably put him out there, but I wonder how
Speaker 1: effective he'll be. Yeah, even if he's one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I just don't see a scenario this is the opener
Speaker 1: against Dallas in Dallas. I don't see that. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to have the best Wednesday possible. To quote Jason Garrett, like,
Speaker 1: I can't even think that far. I mean, who's even
Speaker 1: who's gonna line up on Odell Beckham for the Cowboys? Like,
Speaker 1: what's that even better? Quay? Wait, wait a second, here's
Speaker 1: the guy yesterday that doesn't want to play day. I
Speaker 1: don't want to play anybody in preseason games, but I
Speaker 1: still got to get through another. I mean I we
Speaker 1: have to physically cover like four more training camp practices
Speaker 1: and two more games, two games in a week, basically,
Speaker 1: and any it's gonna be fun because because a great
Speaker 1: city to go down too. But you just love Houston.
Speaker 1: I'm now because of this dumb top ten in Texas.
Speaker 1: Maybe I like Huston. No, I don't. I don't really
Speaker 1: dislike it. If I had to drive around in it
Speaker 1: and live there, I think it would be really bad.
Speaker 1: Why because it's it's like horrible hot. It's human. It's
Speaker 1: really not it's human. It is human. But it's not
Speaker 1: a huge difference between Houston and Dallas. Houston has Texas
Speaker 1: heat with Louisiana humidity. That's true, but it is true.
Speaker 1: The Houston Dallas rival recracks me up because as an
Speaker 1: outsider who's not one way, I'm not from Texas and
Speaker 1: I've been to both. I think they're basically different versions
Speaker 1: of the same city. Like, how's that gigantic spread out
Speaker 1: highways everywhere, barbecue and tex mex lots of oil money,
Speaker 1: lots of new money, lots of like rich boogie people.
Speaker 1: That's not Ust. That's not Houston. That's definitely part of it.
Speaker 1: Like Houston is that is not Houston is a natural
Speaker 1: gas and tech hub, like it absolutely is. I understand that,
Speaker 1: And but that is not Houston at all. It's there,
Speaker 1: that's Dallas, that's not Houst. They're both super similar cities,
Speaker 1: and they both have a lot of sports. That's another
Speaker 1: in football. Then they drive each other crazy. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: y'all are the same thing, Like, get over it. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Escalated quickly, it did es. They're four hours apart Houston.
Speaker 1: Just I'm just no, it's just funny that the gap
Speaker 1: from New Orleans is telling me how Houston is Houston
Speaker 1: when he's never spent a single week of his life
Speaker 1: and us have spent time in Houston. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Houston is a little more southern, Dallas is a little
Speaker 1: more like Texas midwestern ish, like so backward, is it
Speaker 1: not important? Like this discussion they say it's not whatever.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get back into defensive Like the pigeon
Speaker 1: on that one, I just just came in it just
Speaker 1: dropped it and went away. I'm gonna get more. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get more feedback about my opinion of Houston again,
Speaker 1: you know what you're talking and anything, all he's mad.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to that line right now, let's
Speaker 1: talk about Stephen Pia We're talking about the defensive line.
Speaker 1: I think Stephen Pia now is I'm starting to get
Speaker 1: a little bit concerned, not big concern, but a little
Speaker 1: concern because it seems like he's kind of in and
Speaker 1: out and then in and out, and it's just it
Speaker 1: does seem a little bit troublesome. Maybe it's just because
Speaker 1: it's precautionary. But even when when when the team says
Speaker 1: it's precautionary, there's a reason why he's out versus whoever
Speaker 1: is not out right, there's a reason why you're doing that,
Speaker 1: And that does make you wonder when you get to
Speaker 1: the season, is this need going to be a situation
Speaker 1: where it's going to cause him to kind of be
Speaker 1: in and out? Yeah, I think, but with him and
Speaker 1: what he's already done. Like he's come here, he's shown
Speaker 1: you that he's pretty good, so you kind of know
Speaker 1: that very good. He doesn't need to establish that a
Speaker 1: whole lot more. He's also he's also one of the
Speaker 1: few guys that you can count on in the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle position. You kind of know, because of what's happened
Speaker 1: with Irving suspension, Crawford's availability to go in and out
Speaker 1: it's probably not going to happen right now for you.
Speaker 1: So he's one of the few guys you could really
Speaker 1: rely on a tackle. So it's even more reason to
Speaker 1: be a little bit overly cautious there. I would and
Speaker 1: I would argue this is funny because I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: a journalist. I value as much information as possible or
Speaker 1: spend all my time on Twitter. But I think it's
Speaker 1: also a byproduct of like having too much access to
Speaker 1: the team during training camp, like the way football teams
Speaker 1: manage their players certain ways, like they got a plan
Speaker 1: for everybody tire and you got a bad back, You're
Speaker 1: going to do this, this and this today. Then we're
Speaker 1: gonna sit you down. All we see is fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: where they do stretches and then he shows up on
Speaker 1: the injury report and we're like, okay, but he's got
Speaker 1: it back. We know that they have to put him there,
Speaker 1: but we don't see the detailed process of what he's
Speaker 1: doing and how they're managing him. You could say the
Speaker 1: same thing about Stephen Paia. The difference is we see
Speaker 1: it every day here for two hours, like, well, he's
Speaker 1: not doing anything, what's going on where? I mean? And
Speaker 1: I don't know the severity. I mean maybe I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a big deal and and I think they'll
Speaker 1: that'll probably be something that they manage as the season
Speaker 1: goes along and we just won't see it once the
Speaker 1: season starts at But when you're at training camp just
Speaker 1: looking for something to write about or something to report
Speaker 1: for two hours, those things tend to stand out a
Speaker 1: little bit more than they do during the regular season.
Speaker 1: Cedric Thornton did return to practice yesterday. He had been
Speaker 1: out with a hamstring injury, so that gives them kind
Speaker 1: of their three defensive tackles once Pious healthy. Obviously, Malie
Speaker 1: Collins is still looking like the beast that we all
Speaker 1: thought he would be coming into this year. But if
Speaker 1: let's assume for a second that the Cowboys are going
Speaker 1: to carry four defensive tackles. What young defensive tackle on
Speaker 1: this team that's on the team right now do you
Speaker 1: think will be the fourth guy that kind of makes
Speaker 1: the roster. You got guys like Richard ash, you got
Speaker 1: Jordan Carroll, you got Joey Ivey obviously, Tyron Crawford with
Speaker 1: the ankle, he's at defensive tackle. I mean he's at
Speaker 1: defensive end. That's where he's been playing all during the
Speaker 1: preseason before he got hurt. But could drop down a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. David Irvin you can't rely on because he suspended.
Speaker 1: So looking at there's another guy in there, I'm missing someone. Well,
Speaker 1: I thought there was three that I was talking about
Speaker 1: yesterday and it wasn't Ash. Is there another tackle? Lewis Neil, Ivy,
Speaker 1: Carol Neil You even though he's he's kind of an
Speaker 1: end tackle, he jumped. I mean, he was the story
Speaker 1: of the first few weeks of training camp, especially while MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins was out. I mean, he hasn't he hasn't done
Speaker 1: anything wrong, But I don't know that he's really flashing
Speaker 1: the same way that he was when training camp first started,
Speaker 1: probably because he's not getting as many opportunities because my
Speaker 1: league's back and Pia is in and out of practice
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. I don't think any of those
Speaker 1: guys has done anything that you're like, well, they got
Speaker 1: to be on the team. I mean, do you think
Speaker 1: maybe they carry more defensive ends. I mean, again, we're
Speaker 1: talking about it. At the beginning of the season, they
Speaker 1: will be without, definitely be without two defensive linemen. And
Speaker 1: Crawford we think he might be ready, but there's a
Speaker 1: possibility he's not quite ready too. I could see I
Speaker 1: could see them keeping somebody like Neil over all of
Speaker 1: them because of the position flex. I could see that
Speaker 1: Crawford kind of guy. I'm talking about the Crawford that
Speaker 1: they let walk Um. Not even that, not even that
Speaker 1: you know. It bothers me about Lewis Neil. It probably
Speaker 1: helps him, you know, as a quick player, but his
Speaker 1: shoulder pads are no bigger than like Kellen Moore's, you know,
Speaker 1: So I just don't look at him as a guy
Speaker 1: that's that big, because I mean, it's always ironic when
Speaker 1: I say this, because I know how small I am,
Speaker 1: but he's tiny by hell defensive lineman standing, He's he's
Speaker 1: listed at six flat. He I think it's more like
Speaker 1: five to eleven. Like he's just not a big dude
Speaker 1: compared to the monsters that are all around him. And
Speaker 1: and actually, I've been thinking about this, and I know
Speaker 1: it's not sexy. The undertackles the position that gets all
Speaker 1: the attention guys who can get sacks. But Ash and
Speaker 1: Ivy stand out to me because Rod Marinelli, as much
Speaker 1: as he likes getting sacks, he loves having that just
Speaker 1: trash can full of dirt that just gets in the
Speaker 1: I mean, Nick Hayden had a job here for how
Speaker 1: many years because he just was, you know, good at
Speaker 1: the job they wanted him to do. Ken Bishop was
Speaker 1: another guy that hung around for a while because he
Speaker 1: could He had that skill set where you basically can't
Speaker 1: move him. And Ash and Ivy do that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they get to the quarterback, but they can
Speaker 1: do that. So those are two guys that I've got
Speaker 1: my eye on for, you know, maybe being that last
Speaker 1: defensive linement onto the roster. All right, let's move on.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit more about the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: We did talk with some about that yesterday. Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: again yesterday gets some time with the second team. He
Speaker 1: was splitting time with Kellen Moore taking reps with the
Speaker 1: second team. I guess looking at it all the way around,
Speaker 1: I guess the bigger question I want to ask here
Speaker 1: is I think yesterday I came to the conclusion, or
Speaker 1: we came to the conclusion that it's hard to imagine
Speaker 1: that Cooper Rush won't make this team. I think there's
Speaker 1: a bigger discussion that has to be had about that
Speaker 1: of what does that mean for the rest of the team,
Speaker 1: Because whenever you're gonna go, I presume, I presume that's
Speaker 1: long for what we thought going into training camp, three
Speaker 1: quarterbacks on this roster. I think most of us probably
Speaker 1: assumed it would be two. That means that there's another
Speaker 1: position where you may not be able to go as
Speaker 1: long as you want it. Wide receiver comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Maybe running back. I don't know if I put that
Speaker 1: in the same category, but that's another way you think
Speaker 1: about it. You know, where do you think there are
Speaker 1: bubble guys that may need concerned? Tight end maybe where
Speaker 1: there may needs to be some concern If the Cowboys
Speaker 1: going to carry three quarterbacks, well I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: if if they will carry three, I mean I still
Speaker 1: I believe that you only carry two. And I thought
Speaker 1: before we get to that, I mean, I think Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett's answered to that was was we said on the show,
Speaker 1: and you, Dave, you said, there's no way he's going
Speaker 1: to answer that the way we wanted. He was shocking
Speaker 1: open about his thought process yesterday he said basically, they're
Speaker 1: gonna get both reps because he's earned it. He's going
Speaker 1: to get the number two reps. So to answer your question,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I mean, it'll come down to like
Speaker 1: the sixth cornerback, honestly, the quarterback, and it's like the
Speaker 1: sixth cornerback, maybe the seventh linebacker. I mean, so I
Speaker 1: look at guy when Cooper Rush plays well, and if
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore comes and plays well, then if I'm Marquez White,
Speaker 1: Duke Thomas, Mark Nazata, Noah Brown, Andy Jones, Davier Woods,
Speaker 1: you think he's already think he makes I think Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods is more safe than the rest of those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe like your ninth offensive lineman, whoever that would be.
Speaker 1: And that's another area where offensive line. I think they
Speaker 1: could go eight. Very you talked, you guys talked about
Speaker 1: it yesterday. I and Nick made a hell of a point,
Speaker 1: and I'm coming or through this whole camp. I've I've
Speaker 1: been thinking nine just because I mean, we can't trust
Speaker 1: trust Chaz Green Vile Collins is not experienced at right tackle.
Speaker 1: But the more you think about, you're like, damn like
Speaker 1: all of the reserve, all of your backups can play
Speaker 1: multiple positions. And that's so I in the span of
Speaker 1: about a day and a half, I talked myself into
Speaker 1: eight offensive linemen. It makes sense. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: can get Cooper to be your starter, right, that's important
Speaker 1: because of Chazz. Yeah, but Cooper has to be the
Speaker 1: starter in order in that in that Cooper has got
Speaker 1: to be the gag. And I mean, at some point
Speaker 1: they have to just say, let's do this, like let's
Speaker 1: make the decision for Tyrn Smith Travis Frederick's sake, even
Speaker 1: though they'll be fine whatever you did, but you need
Speaker 1: that continuity of this is going to be your guy.
Speaker 1: I asked Garrett about that yesterday and his answer was
Speaker 1: pretty good, But I was like, do you need to
Speaker 1: figure this? Do you have a timeline for when you
Speaker 1: need to figure this out? And I was hoping he
Speaker 1: would be a little more specific He's like, well, we've
Speaker 1: got about two weeks. I was like, well, dud, Jason
Speaker 1: to the season starts in two weeks. Yeah, but here's
Speaker 1: the problem. Do you really have two weeks? Because that's
Speaker 1: my point, I got one more game with those guys
Speaker 1: are going to play, right, They're not playing next week
Speaker 1: in Houston. So if you want real action, if you
Speaker 1: want some action where you're they're going up against guys
Speaker 1: that are NFL caliber guys, you really at this one game,
Speaker 1: assuming Chaz is healthy and these cramps is just cramps,
Speaker 1: and he practices the rest of the week, and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. I'm just whoever starts on Saturday, I think
Speaker 1: is the guy that they're gonna go with. Then maybe
Speaker 1: they're not gonna say that, but that's I'm just gonna like,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you put the guy you want to start
Speaker 1: in there for a dress rehearsal, unless, of course, they
Speaker 1: decide if you're going to play the starters. Let's assume
Speaker 1: they're going to play the starters or most of the starters,
Speaker 1: or at least the offensive line for the entire first half.
Speaker 1: Maybe you got one in there for the first quarter,
Speaker 1: one in there for the second quarter, who goes out first,
Speaker 1: then whoever goes out first as the leader in the clubhouse, right,
Speaker 1: he's the leader. Yeah, yeah, I would be my guests.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But offensive line is a spot where
Speaker 1: I think they could go light. And I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: everybody would prefer for Zeke to be on the team,
Speaker 1: But that's a one fewer running back you got. Because
Speaker 1: I've been thinking five running backs for a month, and
Speaker 1: now assuming Zeke starts the season suspended, that I think
Speaker 1: you only need to carry four. So I think that
Speaker 1: you'll need to carry four in addition to Zeke or
Speaker 1: four total total eating I consider Keith Smith running back
Speaker 1: for the purposes of this. I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: So there's just those four is who you think they
Speaker 1: don't keep an extra the fifth guy? They're not four four,
Speaker 1: got it. I think you've got about three to four
Speaker 1: players whose injuries, even though they're not major, their injuries
Speaker 1: are kind of gonna decide. They're kind of the dominoes
Speaker 1: that will decide the rest of the roster. I mean
Speaker 1: Cheeto being one of them, because if he can come
Speaker 1: back and play and they can get comfortable with him,
Speaker 1: then that could affect your safety cornerback numbers there because
Speaker 1: he can kind of do both. Same with Chaz Green,
Speaker 1: same with Jalen Smith. I mean, obviously his injury, he's
Speaker 1: getting past that. But the fact that you know, how
Speaker 1: comfortable are they are they gonna go with Duran are
Speaker 1: they They're gonna go along there, They're gonna have Nazacha,
Speaker 1: So you know, Ryan Switzer's injury kind of factors into
Speaker 1: there as well. I guess Cole Beasley could just return ponts.
Speaker 1: I know who's not going to return pont fourteen? What's
Speaker 1: the deal? There's some issues with catching the ball. It's awful,
Speaker 1: Like there's got to be somebody else that can do
Speaker 1: that on this team right now, even I mean Duke
Speaker 1: Thomas or somebody. He's an interesting player though, because I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: at least in practice and in some of the games,
Speaker 1: I think I've seen him make some plays as a receiver.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that as a returner, but as a receiver,
Speaker 1: and it seems like they're trying to find more things
Speaker 1: for him to do because they're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: whether they can get him on the practice squad. Probably
Speaker 1: he scored a touchdown, yeah, So I mean it's not
Speaker 1: like he's just been a you know, a guy that's
Speaker 1: not done anything. If you if you think about I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong. I overestimate this every year. But between
Speaker 1: Noah Brown and Andy Jones, if they are not on
Speaker 1: the fifty three, I think one of them is getting
Speaker 1: claimed somewhere. They're too good to go through waivers. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but that's what I think. And so at
Speaker 1: least one, if not both, of those guys you would
Speaker 1: want on your practice squad. You know, Lenora and Brian
Speaker 1: Brown and Easy Watch Nawatchku are all candidates to be
Speaker 1: that other practice squad receiver I think, But it's just interesting.
Speaker 1: They're so deep at receiver. You know, Brian Brown is
Speaker 1: a guy that I would have as a lock to
Speaker 1: be on my practice squad normally, but maybe you don't
Speaker 1: need him if Noah Brown and Nanny Jones wind up
Speaker 1: on your practice squad, or maybe you do if they
Speaker 1: get signed. I don't know. This is a really good
Speaker 1: receiver group. I think it really is as good as
Speaker 1: it's been in the years that I've covered. Then give
Speaker 1: Bryce credit for making it that way, because Bryce could
Speaker 1: have easily been the odd man out here if he
Speaker 1: just kind of continued his pretty good here, but I'll
Speaker 1: kind of mess up every now and again, and he
Speaker 1: hasn't done that. He's been very consistent. And I think
Speaker 1: he's such a likable guy that every I mean because
Speaker 1: because he works hard. I mean, it's not just about
Speaker 1: being a good guy, but I think that he works hard,
Speaker 1: he understands, and you know, he's just that type of
Speaker 1: guy that I think there Dooley wants to have in
Speaker 1: the room. Does Bryant wants in the room, you know?
Speaker 1: And this team just wants to kind of gravitate around.
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Speaker 1: start with a question from Twitter. What we have Amber?
Speaker 1: How's the emergence of Neil and Woody Baron pushed Thornton
Speaker 1: to maybe being cut Thornton, you know, when you were
Speaker 1: talking about the defensive tackle position just now, I thought
Speaker 1: about that, if Ivy and Carol and Ash and those
Speaker 1: guys had really stepped up and done some things like
Speaker 1: a like let's say the receiver position. You know, like
Speaker 1: if they had performed the way that maybe Andy Jones
Speaker 1: and Noah Brown and those guys have and and Bryce
Speaker 1: Butler had kind of been in the Cedric Thornton mode,
Speaker 1: then yeah, he could have been cut. But the fact
Speaker 1: that those guys haven't really stepped up, and I think
Speaker 1: they're still counting on Cedric Thornton and his contract is
Speaker 1: is not ready to just get rid of. I mean,
Speaker 1: his contract isn't so huge that it would hinder you,
Speaker 1: but I don't They wouldn't cut a guy option he's
Speaker 1: still one of your top and he tackles, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not awful. Yeah, he's been hurt and no,
Speaker 1: I'd be really surprised if he got cut A because
Speaker 1: of his contract and b because he's one of your
Speaker 1: best three tackles regardless of what the rookies are doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they could have maybe pushed him out
Speaker 1: because he's not a guy you have to keep, but
Speaker 1: now he is because you get other guy one's better, right,
Speaker 1: So don't do this next year? You know, Now if
Speaker 1: he comes through has a decent year, and then next
Speaker 1: year comes around and they draft probably higher, you know,
Speaker 1: in the in the rounds and the third or fourth
Speaker 1: round to get a tackle. I could see where Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that last year well, typically and when this front
Speaker 1: office usually structures their contracts so that they haven't out
Speaker 1: after two years. I mean, if you know, the first
Speaker 1: two years or the years where it's not great money wise,
Speaker 1: and then usually you can make it work for year
Speaker 1: three and four. Would you guys agree that he's a
Speaker 1: solid rotation defensive tackle, Yes, but I think you paid
Speaker 1: him to be better than that. Okay, and that's fair.
Speaker 1: He's a solid rotational guy, but you thought he was
Speaker 1: going to be like a really quality beastly starter guy,
Speaker 1: at least I did, so. I don't know that he's
Speaker 1: lived up to that especially. I mean, I think we
Speaker 1: are we all probably agree that we'd prefer to have
Speaker 1: Paya in the starting for when the season starts. Do
Speaker 1: you think maybe that that that evaluation happened in he
Speaker 1: was with the Eagles, right, that evaluation was helped or
Speaker 1: the player that he was with the Eagles is maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit better because he had a guy like
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox there with him on that in the interior
Speaker 1: that defensive line. Absolutely sure. I mean, that's fair. I sold.
Speaker 1: I was another guy too, Benny Logan. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 1: Benny Logan. The Eagles have a really and have had
Speaker 1: a really good front for a while, almost forever as
Speaker 1: long as I can remember. I was talking to an
Speaker 1: Eagles fan last night, just kind of bs and about football.
Speaker 1: I was like, Fletcher Cox is one of the most
Speaker 1: underrated players in the league. In the same I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, people know who he is, but he's not
Speaker 1: like this household name considering how good he really like,
Speaker 1: he's a monster? Was that the same draft? Draft is Mo?
Speaker 1: I want to say, so, yeah, twenty twelve have gotten Mo.
Speaker 1: Maybe he could have got him, but yeah, where do
Speaker 1: you go like nine eight or nothing like that. I
Speaker 1: don't remember off the top. One I know Mike Brockers
Speaker 1: is the guy people always linked to the Cowboys because
Speaker 1: he went in the slot the Cowboys originally had. But
Speaker 1: and he's been pretty good too, not on been okay
Speaker 1: on Cox Cox? Yeah, round one pick twelve twelve could
Speaker 1: have thank you could have had him. Yeah. Sorry, it's
Speaker 1: over the Google. Huh, it's all over the Google. Yah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean or you know what, or he
Speaker 1: maybe he knew. I don't know. It's possible memorize every draft, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know it's not a coincidence that the best
Speaker 1: year DeMarcus Lawrence's career happen when Greg Hardy was eating
Speaker 1: up everybody's attention on the other side too, So I mean, true,
Speaker 1: who you play with matters. And you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to bury Cedric Thornton. I don't either, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's lived up to the contract
Speaker 1: that he got yet. There wasn't a huge contract, no
Speaker 1: right now. I mean it's a fairly modest free agent contract.
Speaker 1: What defensive lineman has lived up to the contract slash
Speaker 1: expectations that they have? I mean DeMarcus Lawrence hasn't really yet,
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford hasn't. So I'll beat that drum all day long.
Speaker 1: Like you cannot blame the Cowboys for trying. They definitely
Speaker 1: have tried. Oh They've thrown a lot at it. It
Speaker 1: just hasn't worked out for whatever reason. And some of
Speaker 1: that's their fault. A lot of that's their fault. They
Speaker 1: may they may be starting to see one in MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins that will actually pan out to be better than
Speaker 1: what they thought he was because where they drafted him.
Speaker 1: He seems like he's going to play above that. Well.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence yesterday had a couple of moves in practice.
Speaker 1: He was killing alcohol. He was that. You're like, well,
Speaker 1: if if maybe Lyle's gonna struggle, but if this is, yeah,
Speaker 1: I doubt it. But if this is a you know,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence is ready to turn the corner. He did
Speaker 1: it to tire and yesterday too, like he kicked everybody's
Speaker 1: But yesterday he looked really good. Yeah, he's looking a
Speaker 1: lot more fluid. I mean he's got I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's lost weight or something, but
Speaker 1: it just seems a lot more agile. It will be interesting.
Speaker 1: This is this is the first time that he'll have
Speaker 1: entire offseason and we'll start the season since he's been
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. So maybe that matters. Wow, good stad,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right. I'm just saying that maybe that
Speaker 1: matters a little bit. And when you're talking about a
Speaker 1: guy that you know, if he's going to turn the corner,
Speaker 1: this is a good time to do it right, right
Speaker 1: in time for Payday. There you go, There you go.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the phone. We've got a
Speaker 1: call from Tony and el passol Tony, what up? Hey?
Speaker 1: Good are you. I'm a big fan of the show,
Speaker 1: but I just want to ask a question. Who calls
Speaker 1: the defensive place on the money downs, like on first
Speaker 1: and third downs? Who calls a defensive place? I mean
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli? Other than Rod, are you talking around on
Speaker 1: the you're talking abound on the field. Yeah, Like say
Speaker 1: it's certain night, who calls the places? I don't like
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator is um probably gonna be Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: And Sean Lee's the one with the mike in his helmet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he asks asking the player that relaying like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: when you're saying, you're saying called actually calls the plays,
Speaker 1: and that would be the coach. That would be the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, Rod Mirrnelli, you're talking about that. You're not
Speaker 1: talking about the player on the field that relays the
Speaker 1: play right or makes any che I'm talking about like
Speaker 1: say Thurday, nay that decision, Rod Marinelli, Rod Mirrinelli. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: I would like to see his bitch on money downs
Speaker 1: like first and third downs. A lot more. And um,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, you know what, I like
Speaker 1: having miss I see on the show because me being
Speaker 1: Mexican American, I've seen you on Derek and Me and
Speaker 1: you know, white America right there with the white guys.
Speaker 1: But finally see someone of Latin descent on the show.
Speaker 1: Care about all right, thanks, we appreciate the call you
Speaker 1: got fans. Okay you about Mexico. Okay, go Mexico. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what that means. I know that means. I
Speaker 1: know what that means. Rod Marinelli, if what did he say?
Speaker 1: Did you say I've seen the white guys on the
Speaker 1: show before? Now he said, actually said white America. I
Speaker 1: think you said white America. Yeah, he said, you would nate.
Speaker 1: But then mainly in other words, it's two brothers diverse,
Speaker 1: and it's a lot of white America. And then we
Speaker 1: got finally they got a Latina. Yea, Kent is so
Speaker 1: clutch with the job. If the cowboys are blitzing, it
Speaker 1: means Rod Marinelli is like absolutely desperate because what he
Speaker 1: wants to do isn't working. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: agree with that, because we have seen him use that
Speaker 1: corner blitz quite a bit, right, He likes that he
Speaker 1: does like corner, he prefers to get pressure with his
Speaker 1: front four. That's what he wants to do. So if
Speaker 1: he's called if linebackers are blitzing, that means the front
Speaker 1: four is getting its butt kicked. I mean that's so.
Speaker 1: I mean he's willing to do it. I mean Sean
Speaker 1: Lee's blitz before, but they're not. They're not the best
Speaker 1: blitzing team anyway, Like when they try to do it.
Speaker 1: There's there are times they try to do it in games,
Speaker 1: and the reason people don't notice is because it doesn't
Speaker 1: work right. I would just and that's I love the ben,
Speaker 1: but don't break like clog and cover. Give me a
Speaker 1: three man front and six defensive back because I think
Speaker 1: that's your best chance of getting a stop. I know
Speaker 1: it's not fun, it's not you're not. It doesn't generate
Speaker 1: a ton of sacks, but that's the strength and I
Speaker 1: preferably maybe with these new guys here, maybe they can
Speaker 1: get their hands on some footballs. Holding a team to
Speaker 1: three points with this offense is a win. Like if
Speaker 1: the defense goes out and they're regularly holding teams to
Speaker 1: fuel goals and you're playing against the Cowboys, offense. They're
Speaker 1: gonna win more games than they're gonna lose. So I
Speaker 1: think that I agree with you. I think you just
Speaker 1: based upon how you play the team concept of football.
Speaker 1: I think that that brand of football is probably better
Speaker 1: than taking a lot of chances and possibly given up
Speaker 1: big plays. About blitzing, I completely agree. And I just
Speaker 1: if the personnel was better than I'd feel, maybe i'd
Speaker 1: feel better about it. But I think the strength of
Speaker 1: this team is that is claug and cover. Let him
Speaker 1: have eight yards but not ten. I mean, that's and
Speaker 1: we saw at work all last year. Ye all right,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the phonone. We get a call
Speaker 1: from Isaac and Houston. Isaac, what you got Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: good morning, quick question for you. I know this question
Speaker 1: will be based on projections and things like that, but
Speaker 1: based upon all of last season, does this draft class
Speaker 1: have the potential to be one of the best draft
Speaker 1: class that the Cowboys have ever had? Obviously, Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: is a projection, but Anthony Brown, Dak Prescott, the complete Collins.
Speaker 1: You're talking about a couple of already all pros and
Speaker 1: potentially some more Pro bowlers. So I'll hang up a
Speaker 1: listen to your answer. All right, thanks for the call. First,
Speaker 1: I was I thought he was saying this class, yeah,
Speaker 1: like to just got drafted, And I was like, wow, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think none of them are even I don't
Speaker 1: think we've seen that yet. Yeah, we haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess going back to last year, do
Speaker 1: you think that that could be? Nick, you know, the
Speaker 1: history of this team probably better than you're not gonna
Speaker 1: beat in nineteen sixty four. So just you're just battling
Speaker 1: for a second. Yeah, unless unless there's three Hall of
Speaker 1: famers on this class, which I had a good luck
Speaker 1: throw out sixty four for me, Like who all isn't there?
Speaker 1: It's just it's just Bob Hayes, mel Renfro, and Roger Stauback.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's pretty good. Yeah, that is pretty good. And
Speaker 1: it was. It was a great draft because, yeah, because
Speaker 1: all three of those picks were a risky mel Renfro
Speaker 1: didn't really play defense. He played, you know, he was
Speaker 1: an offensive player and he ran track and he was fast,
Speaker 1: and they thought they could make him a defensive back
Speaker 1: and they did ten years, ten years or ten time
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl safety in corner larger Strauback was going to
Speaker 1: be in the Navy for the next few years, but
Speaker 1: maybe when he comes back he could be ready to play.
Speaker 1: And he was pretty good to play. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: Bob Hayes was just a sprinter. They thought, well, maybe
Speaker 1: he could be a receiver and maybe he changed the game.
Speaker 1: Did he play football? Like, was this a situation similar
Speaker 1: to Rico Gathers. We hadn't played football in a long
Speaker 1: time and he was just a sprinter. I know he
Speaker 1: was an Olympic sprinter. Correct. Uh, yeah, he was an
Speaker 1: Olympic sprinter. I don't know if he played at Florida
Speaker 1: A and N. I can ask Mickey and Brian if
Speaker 1: they covered him, but I didn't. They're like ten years
Speaker 1: older than me. But I like seeing that. Yeah, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: that's a fantastic point. But I'll play the other side
Speaker 1: of that. And now I'm gonna project the hell out
Speaker 1: of it. But I mean, based on one year, you're
Speaker 1: talking franchise, a franchise quarterback, a franchise running back. Guys
Speaker 1: that have the potential. Yeah, I'm not saying they will be,
Speaker 1: but guys that have the potential to be Ring of
Speaker 1: Honor caliber players. There's yeah, there's no doubt definitely ring
Speaker 1: of honor, but a a starter for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: Two starters with an S and for the foreseeable future,
Speaker 1: and MALIEK. Collins and Anthony Brown the league, I think
Speaker 1: has all the potential in the world to be a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl caliber player. Jalen Smith, I mean yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean talk about said he's a Hall of Famer. I
Speaker 1: know that's a ring of vanna. Guy, I'm I'm saying
Speaker 1: future starter. I feel comfortable projecting that. I really don't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable going any further. But even Okay, so two
Speaker 1: franchise cornerstones and three starters in the same draft class,
Speaker 1: and that does I mean, who knows it could be
Speaker 1: really good. I mean the caller is not wrong. I
Speaker 1: just threw out the sixty four. Yeah, it's hard to
Speaker 1: be sixty four. That might be the best draft to
Speaker 1: history of the NFL. It was a really great draft
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys for what they needed and what became
Speaker 1: cornerstone players. You got Troy Aitman, you had Darryl Johnston,
Speaker 1: h Mark Stepnoski, and Tony Tilbert. I mean Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Johnson come out of the gate and say
Speaker 1: here's our first four picks as in the NFL and
Speaker 1: it's these four guys. So that was pretty good. It
Speaker 1: wasn't better than sixty four? No, no, not better what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So you're right, man, I mean, if Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith is a great player, I think Leigue's gonna be
Speaker 1: a great player. It all comes down to twenty one.
Speaker 1: You know what, what does he do? Is he a
Speaker 1: guy that continues to have issues where he is always
Speaker 1: going to be something that kind of limits him. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's I mean, that's that's the big
Speaker 1: question right there. And also the quarterback, is he does
Speaker 1: he become I mean, does he become Kaepernick and Robert Griffin?
Speaker 1: Does he become Luck? Does he become Russell Wilson and
Speaker 1: get better every year? We'll see if if last week
Speaker 1: was any indication he's certainly get better. Not betting against
Speaker 1: that guy. No, I mean, but sorry, but Zeke, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's so early, but I would
Speaker 1: be surprised if from what I would be surprised if
Speaker 1: he plays here as many seasons as like Emmett Smith did. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think that. I don't think the
Speaker 1: NFL's even work that way anymore. Yeah, so that's a
Speaker 1: good question. I don't know. I mean, I will say this,
Speaker 1: if he if he can manage to have all the
Speaker 1: seasons that he has before that first contract, if all
Speaker 1: those seasons are as good as last year. And I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about statistically, I'm just saying he's that much
Speaker 1: a part of the offense and is that productive in
Speaker 1: the offense, I think he gets that next contract, and
Speaker 1: if he continues to do it consistently, then I think
Speaker 1: it can be one of those situations where you know,
Speaker 1: that's one thing you know about Jerry, he is a
Speaker 1: loyal guy. And if it's one of his guys, I
Speaker 1: mean one of his really like his guys, and it's
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna at some point being the ring
Speaker 1: of honor, they'll keep him around here, maybe a few
Speaker 1: years past when they probably still in their prime. And
Speaker 1: you know, we said this back, you know, when he
Speaker 1: was a prospect before the draft, like, well, just just
Speaker 1: run him into the ground for five years and get
Speaker 1: walk away, walk away. But the other side of that,
Speaker 1: he's so young. Even if he plays through his fifth
Speaker 1: year option before he gets another contract, it will only
Speaker 1: be twenty five so which is still really young, even
Speaker 1: in running back terms. I mean, DeMarco Murray's still going
Speaker 1: pretty good, and people were worried about giving him a
Speaker 1: deal at like twenty seven or twenty eight. It's all
Speaker 1: about do you take care of your body the right way.
Speaker 1: It's all those things factory in I think, for running backs,
Speaker 1: even more so than maybe the other positions. It's too
Speaker 1: soon to say. I mean, yeah, maybe he'll be here
Speaker 1: for thirteen years. It's too soon to say. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, but the way that players, the way teams
Speaker 1: handle running back is so much different than it was
Speaker 1: when any other great running back played for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I know this, and I've been for some reason the
Speaker 1: last couple of days. I've been looking at the crowd,
Speaker 1: you know, from where our spot is, and seeing the
Speaker 1: jerseys and the T shirts, and they love this guy.
Speaker 1: They love the fans love him, the kids love them.
Speaker 1: They love Zeke, and I hope that, you know, for
Speaker 1: everybody's sake, he figures it out because he's a fan favorite,
Speaker 1: and you know, whatever's happened off the field, it hasn't
Speaker 1: really deterred Cowboy fans. Now he's probably gonna go and
Speaker 1: get booed every place he goes. Probably will yep. I
Speaker 1: don't know that that's a lot different than any other time,
Speaker 1: but get booed. But it'll also it'll like the moose
Speaker 1: call and who the tight end for the Steelers? He yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean like, oh yeah, I mean, And
Speaker 1: I was like, you won't everyone able to see because
Speaker 1: you won't even be able to tell if he's being
Speaker 1: booed because people go so he just he's one of
Speaker 1: those guys. He's like the Cowboys. He's like the Yankees.
Speaker 1: You're gonna love him or you're gonna hate him. And
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of cowboy fans that love him.
Speaker 1: The only thing stopping that dude from ruling the world
Speaker 1: is himself. Like it's yeah, hopefully he gets it figured out. Yep.
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Speaker 1: Back to the break Welcome back. It's the final segment
Speaker 1: of The Break live from the SWVC Mortgage studios. At
Speaker 1: the starts game time and now I can talk, Now
Speaker 1: I can find speak of you could have talked. I know, well,
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard when you're a rookie make thing
Speaker 1: with veterans and one that's about to retire. But wow, wow,
Speaker 1: she's throwing dark early. Let's go. It could have been you.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Who was that animed at I was
Speaker 1: I was looking down. I think he was animing at you.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Okay, So, since we've
Speaker 1: been talking about you're not gonna get okay, since we've
Speaker 1: been talking about who makes a fifty three men roster,
Speaker 1: I thought it would be fun to play a little
Speaker 1: game where each of you has forty five seconds. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: it's quick, forty five seconds. I'm gonna let you pick
Speaker 1: the position, and you gotta name the guys that will
Speaker 1: make that will be on the team. Guys ready, Okay,
Speaker 1: I wish I had a roster for them. I don't
Speaker 1: need it. Let's go. Okay, Okay, okay, sure, all right, Derek,
Speaker 1: you want to start? Sure? Why not? Um, Let's see
Speaker 1: what position do you want? Just gotta throw it at Okay, cornerback, cornerback,
Speaker 1: all right, I think that will be Orlando Scandrick, Nolan Carroll,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, cheetobay O Woozier, Anthony Brown. I'm at five,
Speaker 1: Is that right? Uh? Duke Thomas and Marcus White. I
Speaker 1: actually think they go long there and they go short
Speaker 1: a long. Let's write these down like the seven seven seven.
Speaker 1: We talked about this yesterday. I actually think that if
Speaker 1: you got the game. That's why I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: concerned about Xavier Woods is because I think that if
Speaker 1: you're gonna go seven cornerbacks, knowing that Cheetohbay can can
Speaker 1: flip to safety, now, that's kind of your your way
Speaker 1: to do it. And that means he's probably the done
Speaker 1: more Woods or Mark Quez White who's done more Mark
Speaker 1: That's a good point. I mean as White has had
Speaker 1: more good practices, But Xavier Woods is the author of
Speaker 1: one of the best preseason performances on this whole team.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I will say this, I think it's one
Speaker 1: of the other. I don't think both of them make it.
Speaker 1: One of the two of those guys makes it. At least,
Speaker 1: if not both. You have him down for seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go seven, all right, Evan Corners, Okay, I think
Speaker 1: we'll go down on time thirty seconds for your nick. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're long winded. Let's see us. Okay, let's go with
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Defensive tackle, uh, Cedric Thornton, Stephen Paia, um
Speaker 1: Malie Collins. And that's it. Only three. Those are those
Speaker 1: are my three guys that'll help me win my seven.
Speaker 1: You guys are going to one outside the box with these.
Speaker 1: I like it. Why not? Hey, it's fine. I understand
Speaker 1: if there's a fourth he's on another team. That's a
Speaker 1: that is a good point. We've seen them do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to do that. Just have an
Speaker 1: open spot. So let's just go with three right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: you got linebacker linebacker. I think they carry six. I
Speaker 1: think it'll be Sean Lee, Anthony Hitchins, Justin Durant, Kyle Wilbur.
Speaker 1: I'll throw Damian Wilson in there, and Jalen Smith he's
Speaker 1: the sixth. I'm throwing Damien Wilson in there for the
Speaker 1: time being. If something comes down with his legal situation
Speaker 1: and he's suspended, then they would probably just hold on
Speaker 1: to Mark Zacha. So you're you're cutting Zacha right now
Speaker 1: as it stands, right now, assuming Damian Wilson is available.
Speaker 1: Six shame, what a shame to cut that guy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be fair, it'll be fine, all right, Derek, Yes,
Speaker 1: defensive end, defensive end, all right? Um, I think they
Speaker 1: keep DeMarcus Lawrence, Trown Crawford tackle, Charlton Benson, Mala, Charles
Speaker 1: Tapper five out of dead air. I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to decide whether and I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: cut Tapper. But I really like Demontre More. He's a
Speaker 1: guy I think suspended, Remember suspended, that's true. He's good,
Speaker 1: he don't but but you have to make a decision
Speaker 1: once he comes back. It's only two games, right, so
Speaker 1: Tapper can get through two games. But do you think
Speaker 1: that they would cut Tapper even after two games? You
Speaker 1: think they would cut him. I don't know you have
Speaker 1: to cut him. You think you just go to ir
Speaker 1: just follows one over there. No, let's be fair. It
Speaker 1: won't just be him, It'll be somebody. I mean, something
Speaker 1: happens in two games where it just kind of works
Speaker 1: itself out, so you just would just go off because
Speaker 1: here's the other guy didn't mention was David Irving, Irving
Speaker 1: and more those two. It's somebody's somebody's got to go
Speaker 1: out of that group. And it's interesting with with Tapper.
Speaker 1: I mean, like we know that they want to see
Speaker 1: him do well, but do they have the room for
Speaker 1: it to keep him around going back out better than
Speaker 1: these other guys. I don't think, going back to Nick's point,
Speaker 1: what I mean, whether they bring on another guy or
Speaker 1: keep Joey Ivy around or whatever. Demontre Moore can play
Speaker 1: tackle too. He's another one of the eighty guys that
Speaker 1: can play both. Really might to be able. He seems
Speaker 1: like he's on the verge of outside linebacker. He's played
Speaker 1: nickel tap cold at times in this training camp, like
Speaker 1: when they have that package on the field. I'm just saying, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not disputing it. I'm just saying he seems a
Speaker 1: little light to think he's gonna do that during the season.
Speaker 1: Demontre Moore is one of those funny guys where like
Speaker 1: everything about him suggests that he's like a bubble guy.
Speaker 1: I know we're going way over no good. He's he's
Speaker 1: like a stone cold lock. Like just I'm like, he's
Speaker 1: on this team. He's in their plans, especially during training,
Speaker 1: especially with all the issues that they've had, and they said,
Speaker 1: let's sign this guy, and they're like, well he's gonna
Speaker 1: get suspended coach. Okay, So that mean he's obviously been
Speaker 1: in their plans. He's he's here, and they'll do what
Speaker 1: they gotta do to get him back on the roster. Yep,
Speaker 1: let's go. You're ready for safety. That's what you're gonna
Speaker 1: throw at me. You're correct. The only defensive spot we
Speaker 1: haven't done yet. Safety, all right? Um, you only got
Speaker 1: three Byron Jones, Jeff Heath Cavan and um Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: maybe Robert Blanton. Okay, So just so just I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I think safety is the most
Speaker 1: one of the most interesting situations on this team. Do
Speaker 1: you like Blanton though? I don't. I don't, I don't,
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking about the coaching staff. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: special team's ace. He's he kinda he's similar to CJ's
Speaker 1: film and in the sense that that's how he's made
Speaker 1: his NFL career. He's gotten some opportunities to play safety,
Speaker 1: but mainly special teams. Jeff Heath has not done so
Speaker 1: much that he cannot play some on special teams because
Speaker 1: they're gonna rotate Cavan in there, the rotate Xavier Woods.
Speaker 1: Maybe if he can kind of step up a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I think that'll keep Jeff Heath on some of
Speaker 1: the special teams packages, so he's not completely losing Heath
Speaker 1: on special teams. Those are my four safeties. I would
Speaker 1: I would like that to be what they do. But
Speaker 1: I wonder if they like Blanton enough to keep a
Speaker 1: fifth safety. I don't think they would keep Blanton over
Speaker 1: the young guys, but I think they might. I think
Speaker 1: I think Thomas and Marquez White have been probably pushed
Speaker 1: Bland out the door. But you're not gonna keep eleven.
Speaker 1: But here's the question, though, if that's the case, really,
Speaker 1: if you're talking about four safeties, basically one of those
Speaker 1: guys has to go Marquez, Marquez or Duke Thomas, Which
Speaker 1: one of you guys, Which one of those guys you
Speaker 1: think right now stays and which one goes? I keep
Speaker 1: Duke Thomas. We actually we would keep Duke Thomas. I
Speaker 1: was a mail bad question today, Duke I think Duke
Speaker 1: has had the I think Duke has had the better
Speaker 1: camp over the course of the month, but Marquez has
Speaker 1: flashed a lot, and I'm I'm deferential to draft picks.
Speaker 1: They're on four year deals at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I'm I think either one of them would probably a
Speaker 1: waivers though I would think clear waivers maybe. Maybe The
Speaker 1: thing about Mark Quez White though he looks the part.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got really long arms and stuff, and
Speaker 1: he I think I'm more I'm more intrigued by what
Speaker 1: Mark Quez White could be in the future. But I
Speaker 1: think Duke Thomas has been better this month. I mean
Speaker 1: that's their call to make. Yeah, and they will. They'll
Speaker 1: think about it more long term than maybe we are
Speaker 1: as we can can sometimes be just thinking about who
Speaker 1: had the better can And it's smart to think about
Speaker 1: it long term because you know, Scandrick not trying to
Speaker 1: get him after me or anything, but because but he
Speaker 1: he can't have a whole lot of more years to go,
Speaker 1: you know, and you don't know about Nolan Carroll how
Speaker 1: long this is going to be. He doesn't look like
Speaker 1: a guy that's going to be here for several years. Okay, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right tight end. Who are you giving that too, Dave? Oh? Sorry,
Speaker 1: um for that's the least interesting spot for me. I
Speaker 1: am just it's done. Jason Witton, Jeff's, James Hannah, Jeff swimming,
Speaker 1: Rico gathers. I mean, we know Rico's hurt right now,
Speaker 1: and honestly, seeing I mean, concussions are never a trivial matter,
Speaker 1: but this one seems pretty bad because that Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: he's done for the week, he's not practicing, he's not
Speaker 1: he don't think about seeing him against the Raiders and
Speaker 1: then at that point, I don't know. I guess you
Speaker 1: would want him to get then against Houston, but it's
Speaker 1: just going to depend on how healthy he is. I mean,
Speaker 1: he took a nasty shot from Cabon Fraser and that's
Speaker 1: how this whole thing started. So you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know. I just kind of
Speaker 1: thinking out loud. But I mean, maybe if you need
Speaker 1: to put him on injured reserve, maybe you would only
Speaker 1: go with three tight ends. I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: that would happen. So I'm going to hold off on
Speaker 1: that until I hear more about it. So I'm saying for.
Speaker 1: But that would not saying that you want to got
Speaker 1: to be on injured reserve. But actually that would probably
Speaker 1: be a great scenario. Great from the standpoint of managing
Speaker 1: that position. It would be a great way to hold
Speaker 1: tight end. He probably is not ready to play a
Speaker 1: ton this year, right, you had one more year to
Speaker 1: count of red shirt him. It's probably a good thing,
Speaker 1: and then by next year you're you would think that
Speaker 1: maybe he's a little more prepared for it. I disagree
Speaker 1: you actually think he's ready to play. No, No, I
Speaker 1: just I just think you're thinking of it from a
Speaker 1: standpoint of that he needs another year. But if you're
Speaker 1: putting him on some kind of injured reserve, he doesn't
Speaker 1: practice for He needs to be practicing practicing. I'm only
Speaker 1: putting him on injured reserve if the concussion is really
Speaker 1: that serious. Otherwise I want him out there practicing. That'd
Speaker 1: be a pretty serious concussion, and that's you know, I'm
Speaker 1: maybe he needs to hang it up because if it's
Speaker 1: that Crosby was out for a long a really long
Speaker 1: time with a concussion, I don't know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a different sport. I'm again really
Speaker 1: as far as the hits word. We're in. We're way
Speaker 1: deep into speculation. I'm not saying that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I'm just again thinking I'm surprised there's not more concussions
Speaker 1: in that sport than than football, because because I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't pay close enough attention. I don't either, But
Speaker 1: I'm just I just know that, you know, there's different
Speaker 1: you know, there's grass, there's field, turf and all that
Speaker 1: in some soft at times, it's always the same in hockey,
Speaker 1: and it's always pretty hard. Assuming, I mean, assuming Rico's
Speaker 1: okay in the long, you know, in the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, which I think is a reasonable assumption. Four No,
Speaker 1: this should have been five seconds. It's four. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: needless to say. He's staying here. However, whatever they got
Speaker 1: wherever they put him here, it's not going anywhere. It's
Speaker 1: not a debate. Derek quarterback quarterback, all right. I think
Speaker 1: it will be Dak Prescott. I think it will be
Speaker 1: Um Kevin Moore, and I think he will be Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: I think they carry three nick running back running back
Speaker 1: to start the season, Darren McFadden, Alfred Morris, uh Rod Smith,
Speaker 1: Keith Smith, so and then you have to figure out
Speaker 1: a spot when Zeke comes back, because I don't think
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna get cut. So somebody else is
Speaker 1: gonna stay, is gonna get cut from a different position,
Speaker 1: So you might go along at cornerback there and and
Speaker 1: you know for a couple of weeks or six or whatever.
Speaker 1: But you know he's not going to replace, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: one of those backs. Yeah, well maybe maybe Alfred Morris,
Speaker 1: maybe he could come back and be like, all right,
Speaker 1: he's our third back. I will say this, you're talking
Speaker 1: about if you're talking about six game suspension, by that point,
Speaker 1: you're almost halfway through the season. Yeah, so at that
Speaker 1: point you kind of know what you got in the
Speaker 1: other two. So maybe, yeah, you know, they could. That's true.
Speaker 1: That's true. Wide receiver. I want so badly for Noah
Speaker 1: Brown to be on this team. He's my He's a
Speaker 1: pet cat for sure. But I mean, I think Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush is on the team. I think Rico Gathers is
Speaker 1: on the team. I don't know how I'm keeping him.
Speaker 1: So I'm just going with the five. The five boring ones.
Speaker 1: Boring in the sense that we know who they are,
Speaker 1: ye not, They're all goods Terrence, Bryce Switzer, Beasley, Yes,
Speaker 1: well that's it. Offensive line that was. I left that
Speaker 1: one off just to kind of give it one each
Speaker 1: each talked about it earlier. I mean we think we
Speaker 1: think obviously the best thing, best case scenario, g like
Speaker 1: we said, is eight guys, right, if you can manage
Speaker 1: to If if sixty four can manage to be your
Speaker 1: Cooper can manage to be your starter, then you the
Speaker 1: other three guys you carry could also also play all
Speaker 1: the positions. So I think that's probably your best situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't rule out that there's another versatile lineman
Speaker 1: somewhere on the street better or not on the street.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that'll get cut, that'll be better than Byron Bell.
Speaker 1: I don't think Byron Bell's a guy that they really
Speaker 1: have to keep on the team. I mean, his versatility
Speaker 1: is good, but but he's there's gotta be someone better
Speaker 1: than that. So it wouldn't surprise me if they mean
Speaker 1: Looney's on the team and and you know, Cooper I
Speaker 1: think would start, and they're gonna keep Jazz Green as well.
Speaker 1: But I think there's probably another guy that maybe could
Speaker 1: be better. Maybe, And I think they like him at
Speaker 1: Cleary a lot more than a lot of people do.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would not be stunned if if they
Speaker 1: carried nine. It would surprise me if he was one
Speaker 1: of the eight, But if they carried nine, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me to see him. It's clear, yeah, last stupid.
Speaker 1: There's just not a young guy that that has really
Speaker 1: stepped up to make it. You know, there's not that
Speaker 1: I mean Burbank and Seaker, Speaker, Skipper that they just
Speaker 1: they haven't. There's there's probably gonna be a couple in
Speaker 1: the practice squad, yes, you know, and if you keep eight,
Speaker 1: you should have a couple in the practice squad. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Dan Skipper is a guy that would be
Speaker 1: on your on your practice squad. He's so he's so
Speaker 1: big and tall, he's got a mean streak. He's kind
Speaker 1: of has to figure it out. But who better to
Speaker 1: help him get you know who? Who's better to help
Speaker 1: him than Mark Colombo who kind of played the same way.
Speaker 1: I think Seaker and Skipper are both really great practice
Speaker 1: squad candidates, assuming they clear waivers or whatever. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to see either one of them stick
Speaker 1: Aroun all right, that's the show. We appreciate you guys, Jonas.
Speaker 1: We're back tomorrow nine thirty five am will be the
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