WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Guessing The 53 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:07.760 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.960 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.680 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:19.040 Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:24.400 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:29.720 wa with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and Derek Eagleton. It 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.920 is Wins the August twenty third, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen, 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.400 episode number twenty eight. Welcome to another edition of The Break. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:38.960 I am Derek, Am I supposed to be here? You're 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:45.640 supposed to ask? Joined by Amber Garcia, David Hellman, Nick Eatman. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.720 Thank you guys for joining us for another edition of 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.480 The Break. We're gonna get into a lot of stuff 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.000 this morning. We're gonna talk first about some injuries, and 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.120 we'll get into some conversation about the defensive tackle position, 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:58.240 a lot of going on, a lot going on at 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.320 that position. We'll talk a little bit more about Cooper Rush, 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.560 who got some more reps with the second team yesterday, 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.560 and then we'll get questions from you guys throughout the show. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.399 I think Amber has a game for us as well 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.200 that we'll get to in the third segment. See or no, no, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.480 I have something else for you. Oh we got something new, 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.880 all right, good, so you stay tuned for that. How's 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:22.280 everybody doing this morning? Good? Good? Great. Let's jump right in. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.360 Let's talk about injuries first. There were a couple guys 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.800 yesterday that left practice. I don't think any of this 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.440 was serious, but I think the reason it was probably 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.640 most notable is because of the names of the guys 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.000 that left practice. Charles Tapper, Chas Green. Tell me about 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.720 their injuries and h I guess, reassure me that they'll 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.600 be fine. No, no, there's no reassuring there. I mean, 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.720 you can you can trust Kellen Moore to drive the 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.240 ball up and down the field more that you can 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:50.400 trust these two. Wow, tell me how you feel. I'm 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.200 tired of those two sty like Brian Well No, I mean, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.559 but every time we talk about those two guys, I'm 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.600 like out Tapper and Greens who were talking about Yeah, 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.280 Tapper and Green, Tapper has the next range. Chaz Green was, 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.440 I guess cramping, Chads Hey cramps. Des gets cramps every week. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:13.560 Q Allen iverson here. I mean, seriously, we want these 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.600 guys to compete in games, but it's practice that they're 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.640 like getting banged up in I mean, like you can't 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.960 count on them in games if they're getting hurt in practice. 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.760 I don't consider cramps getting hurt. I mean yeah, I 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.160 mean yeah, Chads. It's easy to kind of roll your 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.280 eyes because it's all it seems like it's always something 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.200 with him. But I mean he's not hurt. Okay, he's not. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.760 He's not hurt. He didn't finish practice though, and he's 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.840 had a golden opportunity to start here at left guard 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.440 because these other two guys aren't taking the job and 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.960 he can't. He can't do it. So I mean, I'm 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.320 just saying he's not a guy you can count on. 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:51.120 It hasn't been he I mean, every the argument with 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:52.760 him is still the same and he hasn't proven he 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.800 can do it for sure. And I mean that's fine. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.280 But him having cramps and getting the night the gang, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:02.239 we're thank you, Alan, thank him leaving to get some fluids. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:04.680 I mean it was after compete period, so I think 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.920 there was one more team period left, so like fifteen 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.359 minutes more of practice. Are like, ah, it's fine, get 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.400 some fluids and try again tomorrow. Like I'm not gonna 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.640 lose sleep about that, And I don't really know the 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.160 severity of Charles Tapper. Next train doesn't sound good. It 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.160 doesn't sound good at all like that. See that sounds 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.360 like something I could be wrong. But I expect Chats 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.520 to be on the field today. I don't know about Tap, 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:28.919 so that'll be something to keep an eye on. And 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:33.200 that's and and I'm way more fresh. I get more 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.440 frustrated with Tapper than Chadz because of I mean, like 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.040 you know, every I've said this before, every time Jerry 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.280 Jones talked about Jalen Smith all through the last year, 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.720 he mentioned Tapper two. So you put those expectations on 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.520 the guy, and you know, he hasn't been bad at 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.600 training camp, but he hasn't lived up to like that 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.200 type of billing. And a lot and a lot of 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.360 that has to do with him being injured too, So 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.680 that one's a little more frustrating. But I want to 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.520 hear a little bit more about the severity of it. Well, 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.280 part of that for Tapper two is that this is 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.440 an effective first year. Like, yeah, because of the injuries 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.240 last year, you're getting the first year player, and so 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.480 you don't expect him to necessarily all of a sudden, 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.600 be great. You expect that he's going to have to 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:14.160 kind of work toward becoming a good player. That was 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:18.080 my expectation for Charles Tapper. But the hype that got 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.320 built around him, I mean, you would have thought we 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.400 were talking about a first round pick instead of a 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.160 fourth the way the way he was billed as somebody 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.040 that's going to take the defense to the next level. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.039 I don't immediately, I don't think that was ever a 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.440 realistic expectation for him. But that was the billing. And 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:35.760 that's why I mean, and that's why he comes up 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.960 as a guy who aggravates people when he gets hurt, 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.920 because that's the expectation that they had for him going 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.039 into this training camp. And you've got so many other 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.920 defensive ends that you know they're either hurt or they're 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.080 going to be suspended. You would like to have, Hey, 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.080 Taco Charlton, he's ready to play, he's getting better and better. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.680 Tapper comes back. He's a guy who can plug in, 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.160 and I just don't know if you can count on 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.960 him to do that. But I think Tyrone Crawford, are 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:03.760 we going to get into him? Yeah, well we go ahead. 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.000 I mean, he looks like a guy that's gonna play 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.480 on the week one against the Giants. I'd be surprised 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.240 if he doesn't. I mean just the way he's kind 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.440 of walking around out of the boot. He went from 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.440 boot to crutch to just nothing real quick. I mean, 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.400 what was that two weeks ago? That was before the 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.560 Rams game, right, Yeah, yes, so it's been it's probably 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.680 been about two weeks and he's still working through it. 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.120 I mean, he's not ready to play right now, but 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.400 he looks he looks pretty good, he's moving pretty well. 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.279 They really dodge one with that one, because the day 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.200 that that happened, I think everybody was pretty sold on 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:34.560 the fact that this was going to be much more 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.280 serious than it has been. Yeah, and if he misses 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.560 basically training camp and his back by the season opener, 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.720 that's a big big I saw him at training camp 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:45.640 like a couple of days after it had happened, and 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.480 it was kind of more settled, and I was like, 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.400 I guess, congrats isn't really a fitting thing to say, 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.240 but like, you know, but it is. It kind of 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.640 is like, I'm happy for you that it wasn't as 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.720 bad as we thought it was when it happened. Right, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.400 not to put these two guys in the same sentence, 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.800 but to me, the Giants guy is gonna play and 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.960 Crawford's gonna play, I mean o'dale. Yeah, there's a report 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.160 out there this morning that suggests that maybe he doesn't play. 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:11.880 I believe when I see a Dave, you and I 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:13.520 had this conversation before get on the year. I don't 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.080 think anybody on this set probably thinks if you have 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:17.920 to bet right now, I don't think anybody's betting on 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.080 the fact that Odell doesn't play against the Cowboys at AT 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.440 AT and T Stadium to open the season, right, Yeah. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.520 I mean, I don't know the severity of the injury. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.760 It's an ankle, right, I mean, he'll probably say that's 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.000 the dreaded high ankle. But hey, I mean he's Odell Beckham. 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.160 They'll probably put him out there, but I wonder how 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.200 effective he'll be. Yeah, even if he's one hundred percent. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.800 I just don't see a scenario this is the opener 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.680 against Dallas in Dallas. I don't see that. I'm just 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.680 trying to have the best Wednesday possible. To quote Jason Garrett, like, 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.960 I can't even think that far. I mean, who's even 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.000 who's gonna line up on Odell Beckham for the Cowboys? Like, 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.880 what's that even better? Quay? Wait, wait a second, here's 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:55.680 the guy yesterday that doesn't want to play day. I 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:57.560 don't want to play anybody in preseason games, but I 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.360 still got to get through another. I mean I we 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:04.160 have to physically cover like four more training camp practices 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.600 and two more games, two games in a week, basically, 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.960 and any it's gonna be fun because because a great 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.120 city to go down too. But you just love Houston. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.920 I'm now because of this dumb top ten in Texas. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:20.040 Maybe I like Huston. No, I don't. I don't really 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.880 dislike it. If I had to drive around in it 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.360 and live there, I think it would be really bad. 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:31.120 Why because it's it's like horrible hot. It's human. It's 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.080 really not it's human. It is human. But it's not 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.120 a huge difference between Houston and Dallas. Houston has Texas 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.520 heat with Louisiana humidity. That's true, but it is true. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.840 The Houston Dallas rival recracks me up because as an 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.600 outsider who's not one way, I'm not from Texas and 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.880 I've been to both. I think they're basically different versions 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:54.480 of the same city. Like, how's that gigantic spread out 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.960 highways everywhere, barbecue and tex mex lots of oil money, 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.800 lots of new money, lots of like rich boogie people. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.560 That's not Ust. That's not Houston. That's definitely part of it. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.080 Like Houston is that is not Houston is a natural 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.000 gas and tech hub, like it absolutely is. I understand that, 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.640 And but that is not Houston at all. It's there, 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.680 that's Dallas, that's not Houst. They're both super similar cities, 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.480 and they both have a lot of sports. That's another 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.080 in football. Then they drive each other crazy. I'm just like, 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.480 y'all are the same thing, Like, get over it. It's fine. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:27.880 Escalated quickly, it did es. They're four hours apart Houston. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.840 Just I'm just no, it's just funny that the gap 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.520 from New Orleans is telling me how Houston is Houston 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.080 when he's never spent a single week of his life 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.400 and us have spent time in Houston. That's what I'm saying. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.360 Houston is a little more southern, Dallas is a little 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:45.280 more like Texas midwestern ish, like so backward, is it 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.679 not important? Like this discussion they say it's not whatever. 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.040 All right, let's get back into defensive Like the pigeon 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:53.920 on that one, I just just came in it just 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.319 dropped it and went away. I'm gonna get more. I'm 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.240 gonna get more feedback about my opinion of Houston again, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.560 you know what you're talking and anything, all he's mad. 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.280 All right, let's go to that line right now, let's 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.880 talk about Stephen Pia We're talking about the defensive line. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.679 I think Stephen Pia now is I'm starting to get 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.240 a little bit concerned, not big concern, but a little 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.840 concern because it seems like he's kind of in and 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.280 out and then in and out, and it's just it 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.840 does seem a little bit troublesome. Maybe it's just because 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.520 it's precautionary. But even when when when the team says 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.280 it's precautionary, there's a reason why he's out versus whoever 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.079 is not out right, there's a reason why you're doing that, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:30.960 And that does make you wonder when you get to 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:32.880 the season, is this need going to be a situation 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.720 where it's going to cause him to kind of be 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.320 in and out? Yeah, I think, but with him and 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.040 what he's already done. Like he's come here, he's shown 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.880 you that he's pretty good, so you kind of know 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.760 that very good. He doesn't need to establish that a 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.320 whole lot more. He's also he's also one of the 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.240 few guys that you can count on in the defensive 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.800 tackle position. You kind of know, because of what's happened 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.640 with Irving suspension, Crawford's availability to go in and out 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.560 it's probably not going to happen right now for you. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.880 So he's one of the few guys you could really 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.560 rely on a tackle. So it's even more reason to 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.000 be a little bit overly cautious there. I would and 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.640 I would argue this is funny because I mean, I'm 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.360 a journalist. I value as much information as possible or 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.640 spend all my time on Twitter. But I think it's 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:21.280 also a byproduct of like having too much access to 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.880 the team during training camp, like the way football teams 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.800 manage their players certain ways, like they got a plan 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.280 for everybody tire and you got a bad back, You're 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:29.880 going to do this, this and this today. Then we're 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.000 gonna sit you down. All we see is fifteen minutes 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.439 where they do stretches and then he shows up on 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.439 the injury report and we're like, okay, but he's got 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.280 it back. We know that they have to put him there, 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:44.120 but we don't see the detailed process of what he's 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.000 doing and how they're managing him. You could say the 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.200 same thing about Stephen Paia. The difference is we see 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.480 it every day here for two hours, like, well, he's 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.760 not doing anything, what's going on where? I mean? And 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.960 I don't know the severity. I mean maybe I don't 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.680 think it's a big deal and and I think they'll 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.959 that'll probably be something that they manage as the season 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.000 goes along and we just won't see it once the 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.720 season starts at But when you're at training camp just 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.959 looking for something to write about or something to report 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.079 for two hours, those things tend to stand out a 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.000 little bit more than they do during the regular season. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.679 Cedric Thornton did return to practice yesterday. He had been 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.880 out with a hamstring injury, so that gives them kind 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.680 of their three defensive tackles once Pious healthy. Obviously, Malie 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.960 Collins is still looking like the beast that we all 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.560 thought he would be coming into this year. But if 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.880 let's assume for a second that the Cowboys are going 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:37.080 to carry four defensive tackles. What young defensive tackle on 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:38.880 this team that's on the team right now do you 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:40.880 think will be the fourth guy that kind of makes 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.200 the roster. You got guys like Richard ash, you got 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.880 Jordan Carroll, you got Joey Ivey obviously, Tyron Crawford with 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:48.960 the ankle, he's at defensive tackle. I mean he's at 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.240 defensive end. That's where he's been playing all during the 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.319 preseason before he got hurt. But could drop down a 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.360 defensive tackle. David Irvin you can't rely on because he suspended. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.800 So looking at there's another guy in there, I'm missing someone. Well, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:03.680 I thought there was three that I was talking about 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:08.400 yesterday and it wasn't Ash. Is there another tackle? Lewis Neil, Ivy, 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.920 Carol Neil You even though he's he's kind of an 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.640 end tackle, he jumped. I mean, he was the story 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.920 of the first few weeks of training camp, especially while MALIEK. 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.319 Collins was out. I mean, he hasn't he hasn't done 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.360 anything wrong, But I don't know that he's really flashing 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.600 the same way that he was when training camp first started, 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.120 probably because he's not getting as many opportunities because my 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.199 league's back and Pia is in and out of practice 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.080 and blah blah blah. I don't think any of those 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:39.360 guys has done anything that you're like, well, they got 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.160 to be on the team. I mean, do you think 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.360 maybe they carry more defensive ends. I mean, again, we're 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.360 talking about it. At the beginning of the season, they 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:51.880 will be without, definitely be without two defensive linemen. And 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.439 Crawford we think he might be ready, but there's a 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.760 possibility he's not quite ready too. I could see I 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.920 could see them keeping somebody like Neil over all of 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.600 them because of the position flex. I could see that 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.680 Crawford kind of guy. I'm talking about the Crawford that 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.520 they let walk Um. Not even that, not even that 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.720 you know. It bothers me about Lewis Neil. It probably 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.480 helps him, you know, as a quick player, but his 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.920 shoulder pads are no bigger than like Kellen Moore's, you know, 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:23.600 So I just don't look at him as a guy 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.880 that's that big, because I mean, it's always ironic when 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:28.600 I say this, because I know how small I am, 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:32.680 but he's tiny by hell defensive lineman standing, He's he's 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.960 listed at six flat. He I think it's more like 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.160 five to eleven. Like he's just not a big dude 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.920 compared to the monsters that are all around him. And 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.679 and actually, I've been thinking about this, and I know 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.560 it's not sexy. The undertackles the position that gets all 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:51.360 the attention guys who can get sacks. But Ash and 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.040 Ivy stand out to me because Rod Marinelli, as much 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.480 as he likes getting sacks, he loves having that just 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.599 trash can full of dirt that just gets in the 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.960 I mean, Nick Hayden had a job here for how 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.640 many years because he just was, you know, good at 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.400 the job they wanted him to do. Ken Bishop was 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.840 another guy that hung around for a while because he 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.120 could He had that skill set where you basically can't 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.800 move him. And Ash and Ivy do that. I don't 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.600 know if they get to the quarterback, but they can 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.920 do that. So those are two guys that I've got 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.320 my eye on for, you know, maybe being that last 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.280 defensive linement onto the roster. All right, let's move on. 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.120 Let's talk a little bit more about the quarterback position. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.400 We did talk with some about that yesterday. Cooper Rush 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.880 again yesterday gets some time with the second team. He 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.680 was splitting time with Kellen Moore taking reps with the 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.760 second team. I guess looking at it all the way around, 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.840 I guess the bigger question I want to ask here 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.880 is I think yesterday I came to the conclusion, or 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.960 we came to the conclusion that it's hard to imagine 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.760 that Cooper Rush won't make this team. I think there's 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.720 a bigger discussion that has to be had about that 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:55.800 of what does that mean for the rest of the team, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.920 Because whenever you're gonna go, I presume, I presume that's 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.760 long for what we thought going into training camp, three 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.000 quarterbacks on this roster. I think most of us probably 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.960 assumed it would be two. That means that there's another 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:08.680 position where you may not be able to go as 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.600 long as you want it. Wide receiver comes to mind. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.000 Maybe running back. I don't know if I put that 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:14.800 in the same category, but that's another way you think 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.600 about it. You know, where do you think there are 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.200 bubble guys that may need concerned? Tight end maybe where 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.640 there may needs to be some concern If the Cowboys 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:28.200 going to carry three quarterbacks, well I don't know exactly 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.280 if if they will carry three, I mean I still 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.120 I believe that you only carry two. And I thought 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:36.680 before we get to that, I mean, I think Jason 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:40.240 Garrett's answered to that was was we said on the show, 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.720 and you, Dave, you said, there's no way he's going 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.280 to answer that the way we wanted. He was shocking 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:50.880 open about his thought process yesterday he said basically, they're 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.080 gonna get both reps because he's earned it. He's going 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.680 to get the number two reps. So to answer your question, 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.640 I think, yeah, I mean, it'll come down to like 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.320 the sixth cornerback, honestly, the quarterback, and it's like the 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:09.400 sixth cornerback, maybe the seventh linebacker. I mean, so I 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.040 look at guy when Cooper Rush plays well, and if 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.840 Kellen Moore comes and plays well, then if I'm Marquez White, 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:20.760 Duke Thomas, Mark Nazata, Noah Brown, Andy Jones, Davier Woods, 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.400 you think he's already think he makes I think Xavier 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:28.560 Woods is more safe than the rest of those guys. Yeah, 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.000 and maybe like your ninth offensive lineman, whoever that would be. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.480 And that's another area where offensive line. I think they 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.720 could go eight. Very you talked, you guys talked about 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.000 it yesterday. I and Nick made a hell of a point, 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.320 and I'm coming or through this whole camp. I've I've 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.000 been thinking nine just because I mean, we can't trust 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.600 trust Chaz Green Vile Collins is not experienced at right tackle. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.160 But the more you think about, you're like, damn like 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.720 all of the reserve, all of your backups can play 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.400 multiple positions. And that's so I in the span of 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.400 about a day and a half, I talked myself into 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.520 eight offensive linemen. It makes sense. I mean, if you 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.679 can get Cooper to be your starter, right, that's important 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.119 because of Chazz. Yeah, but Cooper has to be the 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.760 starter in order in that in that Cooper has got 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.360 to be the gag. And I mean, at some point 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.600 they have to just say, let's do this, like let's 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.320 make the decision for Tyrn Smith Travis Frederick's sake, even 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.679 though they'll be fine whatever you did, but you need 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.800 that continuity of this is going to be your guy. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.200 I asked Garrett about that yesterday and his answer was 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.159 pretty good, But I was like, do you need to 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.159 figure this? Do you have a timeline for when you 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.159 need to figure this out? And I was hoping he 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.120 would be a little more specific He's like, well, we've 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.119 got about two weeks. I was like, well, dud, Jason 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.480 to the season starts in two weeks. Yeah, but here's 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:46.320 the problem. Do you really have two weeks? Because that's 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:48.640 my point, I got one more game with those guys 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.000 are going to play, right, They're not playing next week 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.480 in Houston. So if you want real action, if you 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.960 want some action where you're they're going up against guys 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:00.800 that are NFL caliber guys, you really at this one game, 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.520 assuming Chaz is healthy and these cramps is just cramps, 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.360 and he practices the rest of the week, and blah 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.200 blah blah. I'm just whoever starts on Saturday, I think 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:11.960 is the guy that they're gonna go with. Then maybe 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.480 they're not gonna say that, but that's I'm just gonna like, 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.320 why wouldn't you put the guy you want to start 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.080 in there for a dress rehearsal, unless, of course, they 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:20.800 decide if you're going to play the starters. Let's assume 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.680 they're going to play the starters or most of the starters, 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.600 or at least the offensive line for the entire first half. 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.200 Maybe you got one in there for the first quarter, 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.480 one in there for the second quarter, who goes out first, 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.280 then whoever goes out first as the leader in the clubhouse, right, 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.520 he's the leader. Yeah, yeah, I would be my guests. 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.240 I don't know. But offensive line is a spot where 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.680 I think they could go light. And I mean, obviously 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.680 everybody would prefer for Zeke to be on the team, 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.800 But that's a one fewer running back you got. Because 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.919 I've been thinking five running backs for a month, and 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.959 now assuming Zeke starts the season suspended, that I think 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.280 you only need to carry four. So I think that 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.959 you'll need to carry four in addition to Zeke or 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:01.800 four total total eating I consider Keith Smith running back 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:03.560 for the purposes of this. I agree with you on that. 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.600 So there's just those four is who you think they 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.240 don't keep an extra the fifth guy? They're not four four, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.800 got it. I think you've got about three to four 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.840