Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, don calling let me
Speaker 1: just get tacked out with my sister for a second, touching, touching,
Speaker 1: live in the flesh. I just have to start out
Speaker 1: with a public apology of public apology. I'm giving you
Speaker 1: the floor. Thank you. The last episode, I didn't I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey about the anti reflective coating on
Speaker 1: my glasses not being satisfactory, and I, I guess I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that I did name the business and I
Speaker 1: kind of lightly dragged them and used the words I
Speaker 1: felt scammed. And so I do want to apologize to
Speaker 1: Studio Optics at Rocketfeller Center. I I am so sorry.
Speaker 1: I truly actually experienced exceptional service from Mike, one of
Speaker 1: the sales associates. Use what you did? Say? I did say,
Speaker 1: Dr Clebanof, who gave me my eye exam, updating my ana,
Speaker 1: Stop everything now pouring iconic name she Dr Clebanov. She
Speaker 1: kept referring to herself as Sarah and um I was
Speaker 1: talking about how she went to the Rangers game. She's
Speaker 1: a big hockey fan. She's so iconic. I do think
Speaker 1: I did something bad and I want to apologize to
Speaker 1: everyone at Studio Optics for their exceptional service, their exceptional selection.
Speaker 1: They are the only place in New York City that
Speaker 1: has the full Bruto Show signor selection and catalog and
Speaker 1: so many other amazing selections. I truly, I have not
Speaker 1: ever felt more dad about anything I've ever done. Shut up?
Speaker 1: Can I say something nearly so? So? I told you
Speaker 1: on the way here, Can you for a second touch,
Speaker 1: I am so proud of you for the way that
Speaker 1: you're accountable. You are such an accountable king. And this
Speaker 1: is the key. You don't go here's an excuse. You
Speaker 1: never do that excuse. There's no excuse. Can I say
Speaker 1: something to every one out there who's apologizing and saying
Speaker 1: but and saying but, this is let me give you
Speaker 1: some background. Shut up, it's ruler culture number two. Shut up.
Speaker 1: You just apologize to apologize. These are these are the
Speaker 1: two words you don't say in an apology. But or
Speaker 1: if I'm sorry, if you're done, you can't say I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: If you say I'm sorry that I'm sorry that I
Speaker 1: made you feel that way, listen, and I'm sorry if
Speaker 1: I made you feel that way. You basic you did
Speaker 1: it the right way. I know I did, thank you,
Speaker 1: and now this is more of a This is more
Speaker 1: of me showing people the right way. Well, when you
Speaker 1: become as famous as you have become, you have to
Speaker 1: start showing people more sides. And because the people they
Speaker 1: think that they know you, but the fact is the
Speaker 1: truth is there are so an amazing, accountable person and
Speaker 1: that is so beautiful. Bow. I've never been more proud
Speaker 1: of you than I am right now. And I've seen
Speaker 1: the film Fire Island and which you give a startmaking
Speaker 1: perform I've never been more proud of you right now.
Speaker 1: And I've seen the film Fire Island in which you
Speaker 1: give a start making don't patronize me, and I love
Speaker 1: that for you, in which you give truly incredible grounded
Speaker 1: we're holding your own against the mother of Hollywood, Jennifer Lewis.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you what made me feel really good
Speaker 1: inside when we oh no, do it shot up to you?
Speaker 1: Can you can go there? And in the lobby we
Speaker 1: saw the tractor of our helm in who's the guest
Speaker 1: on the podcast, and he said that he's watched the
Speaker 1: whole show. I love that for you when you tacked
Speaker 1: over touching, and he said that he liked my performance. Well,
Speaker 1: he didn't say that. First I had to ask him
Speaker 1: if the acting was good, and he said, he laughed
Speaker 1: and slapped me on the thigh hard with his phone,
Speaker 1: which is made of metal, and it's made of metal
Speaker 1: and screen. And when you take a something that's made
Speaker 1: of metal and screen, hit someone with it and flat.
Speaker 1: And then I turned to my other sister, took him,
Speaker 1: who's the guest on the podcast? And he has he
Speaker 1: has not he has, he has, but he didn't. He
Speaker 1: didn't complement me on it. He's caught up, he's got up,
Speaker 1: he's caught up. He just thinks I don't need it.
Speaker 1: I guess you know what I mean. I don't need
Speaker 1: to hear it from my sister. Can I say you
Speaker 1: were giving sarahdestic of Parkard and just like that and
Speaker 1: these last few episodes, no, I'll get better. Do you
Speaker 1: think I was giving just like that s JP scene
Speaker 1: partner in one of the episodes was a literal reading
Speaker 1: light and your seeing partner in these episodes is a handbag,
Speaker 1: and both of you like giving true complete humanity. Well
Speaker 1: that handbag went to Carnegie Mellon what graduated with Patrick Wilson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did. They did actually street car together. Patrick Wilson,
Speaker 1: who was the handbag, Mama Blanche, Mama Blanch, mother that
Speaker 1: mothers of Hollywood. I love this. This is how the
Speaker 1: handbag did the line go ahead. I've always relied on
Speaker 1: the kindness of money, you know what. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: for our guests because are here to join us today
Speaker 1: on This is so exciting and we've been using I've
Speaker 1: been looking forward to that. I've really been looking forward
Speaker 1: to this and we've been using it for a while.
Speaker 1: But this is gonna be an episode two hours of
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. We're all gonna say our top ten Taylor
Speaker 1: and in depth our guests. Yes, this is going to
Speaker 1: be one of the most iconic episodes ever because it's
Speaker 1: all about Taylor, and we are so thrilled to have
Speaker 1: joining us. The director of UM checking notes Fire Island, Um,
Speaker 1: we're in it. We're in it, funny enough, UM and
Speaker 1: the and the writer and star and executive producer. Does
Speaker 1: he need that throwing in there? He's making decisions on
Speaker 1: the day. Go and move that chair there. I never
Speaker 1: saw him to move a chair. Can I say something?
Speaker 1: Can I be honest with you? I was there the
Speaker 1: whole time, six weeks of shooting, never saw him save
Speaker 1: that chair. There you were back in your dressing room.
Speaker 1: Wasn't on your coverage and your favorite, my big dressing
Speaker 1: room that I had, and you and your Matt is
Speaker 1: famous for not being there when it's done, his coverage going, oh,
Speaker 1: they're not on me. I don't, I'm not, I'm out.
Speaker 1: Use the stands in Honey, did you say this experience
Speaker 1: to our stand ends were like a little bit hot.
Speaker 1: I'm used to this on my standing on nor from
Speaker 1: Queen's the Hottest Asian man I've ever seen and the
Speaker 1: hottest man? Why am I saying Asian? Yeah? Examine that,
Speaker 1: and while you do, I'll sort of say, um, the
Speaker 1: credits SPA Night, I mean, just an incredible, incredible foray
Speaker 1: into filmmaking, Loot, It's upcoming Psycho Sexual on Netflix. This
Speaker 1: is an incredible standard special. I was there for the taping.
Speaker 1: Driveways incredible film, Hung Chow, Hung Chow, one of the
Speaker 1: most bright lights in Hollywood. So we've sort of said
Speaker 1: there are credits like here, they're unywhere generation sun Side
Speaker 1: documentary Sunnyside? Why are you laughing? Chaking your head? Shut up?
Speaker 1: Two incredible people are two incredible people, two amazing people,
Speaker 1: and we are so excited to hear all their thoughts
Speaker 1: on Taylor Swift today. Please welcome into your ears alphabetical
Speaker 1: Andrew On and Drew Kim boost step everything now made me?
Speaker 1: And you know the song, you know the song being Bashful.
Speaker 1: I know very little about Taylor Swift. This is gonna suck,
Speaker 1: and you knew the whole time during production that we
Speaker 1: three liked her. So there was no homework or catch up.
Speaker 1: It was only so I had to listen to Less
Speaker 1: Culturesa's episodes. We were talking about Fire Island while we
Speaker 1: were shooting were never that day. I think believed that
Speaker 1: episode was called what was that episode called? It was
Speaker 1: called it was Talking Facts, Talking Facts because Kim came in.
Speaker 1: It was the premier of Stelic City and we were
Speaker 1: almost finishing up with the movie, and it was We
Speaker 1: did that episode in Bowen's bed, in his bed, and
Speaker 1: that was I don't know, you guys, I have so
Speaker 1: many emotional things emotional. How are you feeling I'm feeling.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm feeling crazy, very little strong, but yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: walk us through. What do you mean? What's horse in me?
Speaker 1: Disco night. What Yeah, what's it like the feeling of crazy?
Speaker 1: The feeling of crazy is I didn't sleep? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got more sleep than I did. How are you? What
Speaker 1: are you saying? I woke up at like ten am,
Speaker 1: and I would like, okay, can you talk about it
Speaker 1: with being crazy and in relation to the film or what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: last night someone literally grabbed me by the arm and said, hey,
Speaker 1: you famous, Hey you famous? And I said no and
Speaker 1: he said, my friend says you're famous, and he said
Speaker 1: it in that tone. Um, And then he said, congrats
Speaker 1: in the movie. So you knew you were in a
Speaker 1: movie insane? Um along. Yeah, there's no way we didn't
Speaker 1: get it. No, I didn't get it. This is not
Speaker 1: what it feels like. COVID. Yeah, I've had it. I'm
Speaker 1: a survivor. I'm a survivor too. Are you a surv COVID?
Speaker 1: I am? Actually I am. When did you have it?
Speaker 1: I had it right before we had her cast screening
Speaker 1: in New York and yeah, it was like a hundred
Speaker 1: yards away and I had to like FaceTime be like,
Speaker 1: I love you all, I'm so sorry. I bought Julia
Speaker 1: cake yeah birthday, and we took it to Julius and
Speaker 1: they cut it out and they handed it a piece
Speaker 1: to everyone in the bar. And that's Julius and that
Speaker 1: is New York, New York. Baby, they would never do
Speaker 1: that at High Top when they say unique, un Noork,
Speaker 1: when they say unique New North. He got talking. Robin
Speaker 1: Williams has no Absolutely. By the way, you're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to apologize to High Tops next week. Yeah
Speaker 1: the way you you were one of those New York
Speaker 1: fags who comes in and disparages High Tips. Well, I
Speaker 1: have news for you. Hi Tops is a neighborhood spot.
Speaker 1: I've said this, High Tops the best food in most Hollywood,
Speaker 1: Can I Can I say something so? I would say
Speaker 1: eighty nine percent of the tweets about our movie are positive.
Speaker 1: But after the night of our l A screening, I
Speaker 1: did see a tweet that was like Fire Island is
Speaker 1: supposedly about like the POC working class, um, like body diverse,
Speaker 1: like struggle within the gay community, and he chooses to
Speaker 1: have his opening night party at High Tops. Um, how
Speaker 1: does that? How does that make any sense? Or something
Speaker 1: like that, dragging me for having like our party at
Speaker 1: High Tops, And I was like, wow, I really can't win.
Speaker 1: It's gone to this point now where people will like
Speaker 1: read you for the places. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess that's not to remark that that's just so
Speaker 1: boring though. Yeah, but also it's like, if that's what
Speaker 1: they're going to say after the screening of the movie,
Speaker 1: that's probably a really good sign because like if they
Speaker 1: came to the movie and they were, like they had
Speaker 1: the after party at high Tops. Supremacy, it's suprivacy, It's supreme. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well it's also like this person had to be like
Speaker 1: on your Instagram or something. I think they were maybe
Speaker 1: even at the screening, because how they How would they
Speaker 1: know that the movie is about the working class Poco Suggle?
Speaker 1: How would they know that? I don't know. How did
Speaker 1: this movie come about? How did this movie come about?
Speaker 1: Like Island with with us? Can I just say I
Speaker 1: think it's really funny. I had a number of people
Speaker 1: who were like so excited that I was directing Fire Island,
Speaker 1: but more excited that I might do an episode of
Speaker 1: Lost Culture. I guess this is huh. So when I
Speaker 1: asked you the question of how did this come about?
Speaker 1: You better give a good answer. Well, Joel, you start
Speaker 1: no I don't want to do press at all. I
Speaker 1: was actually asking a facetious question to sort of quote
Speaker 1: a funny. I have a question for Andrew. You literally
Speaker 1: just finished post production in this really crazy city of
Speaker 1: New York, and how long have you been backing? Only
Speaker 1: like two seconds? Yeah, like a month? Basically are you
Speaker 1: are you furious to be back here? Uh? You know,
Speaker 1: I have to say, like when I walked here from
Speaker 1: the hotel, like it's a hot day, but I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like there's something so like beautiful ab that this place,
Speaker 1: you know, But I can't live here. I can't live here.
Speaker 1: It's too it's uh, I think there's too much going on,
Speaker 1: and I get fomo and it's like I feel like
Speaker 1: I have to like do everything every night, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's like how I got COVID. I mean literally
Speaker 1: last night, like I took a helicopter to Montalk party
Speaker 1: where Quest Love DJ, and then this morning my sisters
Speaker 1: were like, oh, we had such a fun time and
Speaker 1: horse meat, and I was like, I wish I had gone.
Speaker 1: It's like in New York City, it never goes away.
Speaker 1: You can't do it all. But I will say a man,
Speaker 1: my sister did have frozen Apperall sprits is just now
Speaker 1: a brunch and that was pretty sweet and that just
Speaker 1: doesn't happen in that way. Really, that's not true. Shut up,
Speaker 1: no one talks to you yet. My l a versus
Speaker 1: New York, my very my very good friend in in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Mitch famously like woke up after he had
Speaker 1: a crazy night out, blacked out, and he was looking
Speaker 1: at his Instant stories and he was like, oh, that
Speaker 1: looks like fun and he got fomo from himself, like
Speaker 1: I didn't even know. We gotta stop at I think
Speaker 1: Instagram is done. I heard Tricia pay To say Instagram
Speaker 1: is over. It's all about be real now okaait wait, okay,
Speaker 1: I need to get on it because the girls are
Speaker 1: talking about be real, real real, and we have to
Speaker 1: enjoy it now because the we'll ruin it somehow. But
Speaker 1: now it's perfect where Okay, So my understanding of it is,
Speaker 1: and please correct me, because Joe, I think, is the
Speaker 1: only one that's on it. You're on it. It be
Speaker 1: real is every day you get a notification at random,
Speaker 1: at a random time. It could be three am. You
Speaker 1: get the notification and it says it's time to be
Speaker 1: real okay, And so you click into the app and
Speaker 1: you take a picture of literally wherever you are, whatever
Speaker 1: you're doing, you take a picture, and it's and you
Speaker 1: take it with your front facing, and then it's also
Speaker 1: taking a picture of you taking a picture. And there's
Speaker 1: no hiding. There's no hiding how to be you have
Speaker 1: to give the phone to someone else. It's like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no no no, it's you have you are
Speaker 1: taking it. So if I if I got the notification
Speaker 1: right now, I've taken my phone and I would take
Speaker 1: a picture of you three surrounded if you can get
Speaker 1: us some frame, and then it would also be taking
Speaker 1: a picture of me at the same time. And so
Speaker 1: that would indicate to everyone that I was being real
Speaker 1: in that moment, because I want it's not filtered, right,
Speaker 1: it's not staged, and it is beautifully communal because everyone's
Speaker 1: taking is supposed to ideally take the picture at the
Speaker 1: same time. And then if you are late, and then
Speaker 1: it will say like Joel was two hours late. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't being real. Wow, this sort of realies.
Speaker 1: But that's that's I think that's brilliant. It really is brilliant.
Speaker 1: Shark Tank instruct I hope someone brought this to Shark
Speaker 1: Tank because Miss Barbara Corcorn would say, I bet Mr
Speaker 1: Mark Human is eating his eating his own ass. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I encourage everyone to be real. I want to
Speaker 1: get on be real. But the thing is, how many so,
Speaker 1: how many times you don't know what this is? I
Speaker 1: have no idea. Okay, would you be real if I
Speaker 1: told you to? Right now? I'm not even on TikTok.
Speaker 1: I'm not on just be real. This is the next thing.
Speaker 1: TikTok is over. It's all about being real. It's be
Speaker 1: real popping off though in a real way kind of
Speaker 1: kind of. It's popular more than Elo ever did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: certainly remember Llo that moment that week. I literally don't
Speaker 1: remember el O. Well, we all had one. It was
Speaker 1: my space but ugly. Yeah, it actually did like the
Speaker 1: black and white esthetic before CO started before like other people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is true. It's but you do Instagram, you know,
Speaker 1: Andrew on Films, and Andrew Film, and Drew on Films,
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram. Um sure, I mean it's not like
Speaker 1: I barely know how to use it and I'm using
Speaker 1: it mostly just for Fire Island stuff. But like because
Speaker 1: you're proud of the film because I'm proud of the
Speaker 1: film because I want all of you to like Shine Shine,
Speaker 1: I want you all to be But you're a director.
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about making a movie on Instagram stories? No,
Speaker 1: would be really fun, it would be amazing. Really, I
Speaker 1: mean what I've done at Quimby Show, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, would you not have done it if
Speaker 1: it was still on Quimby. I didn't have the choice.
Speaker 1: I didn't get all what you're saying now. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would have done a Quimby show if
Speaker 1: you had the choice, would you do it on Quimby instead?
Speaker 1: Because I heard he's coming back. Quimby is gonna put
Speaker 1: me to a point. Oh, we just and I think
Speaker 1: it's important and and Joel has been very responsible and pressed.
Speaker 1: But the Quimpy joke in the movie, there's a quick,
Speaker 1: little Quimpy joke. And we are all grateful for the
Speaker 1: people at Quimby. It crushed. It's certainly not. It's only
Speaker 1: not the creative executives that I was running with. It
Speaker 1: was the business people who made a lot of And
Speaker 1: we were actually talking about this yesterday. I was some
Speaker 1: random gay guys were talking about this yesterday, if you
Speaker 1: can believe random gay guys on the street, random talking
Speaker 1: about my friends, my close friends. But um, they were
Speaker 1: talking about how they like, they loved like your show,
Speaker 1: and they loved like the horror show and the like
Speaker 1: uber Stalker show and like all these like things. The
Speaker 1: problem wasn't the content. The problem was like the business
Speaker 1: decisions that went into making Quimby untalkable about untalkable. You
Speaker 1: could not you couldn't airplay, you couldn't screenshot, you couldn't
Speaker 1: like take videos. It was like nothing was sticky. That's
Speaker 1: what the use case of We're going to watch this
Speaker 1: on the subway, on you know, like on the Commune's
Speaker 1: like no, or they want to watch it. Well, they
Speaker 1: had a month after the pandemic hit to pivot that,
Speaker 1: and I think, honestly maybe the technology was super sensitive
Speaker 1: and it wasn't as simple as like let people airplay it. Well. No,
Speaker 1: they did, though they did, they did eventually eventually, yes,
Speaker 1: but they missed their well. And the crazy thing is
Speaker 1: in China right now, TikTok is trying to start five
Speaker 1: to ten minute, ten episode season programs and I think
Speaker 1: it's going well, going well, Like people want that over there.
Speaker 1: And so the thing is is I actually think someone
Speaker 1: will do Quimby again in the US. But we'll do
Speaker 1: it better and it'll and it'll work, it'll be real.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you're going to become
Speaker 1: like big director. Yeah, you would have done it at Quimby.
Speaker 1: You would have you would have told him, you would
Speaker 1: have sat down together. I came with. I came with
Speaker 1: a a pitch deck and I was not as good
Speaker 1: as their second pitch deck. Oh there was a second moment. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had my the audition for Quimby and the auditioned
Speaker 1: for Who. I love to think about you auditioning. I
Speaker 1: love it. I was I was a child actor. You
Speaker 1: were not. Were you really know that? I was scouted
Speaker 1: at a wedding? Shut up? Are you dancing crazy? I
Speaker 1: was probably dancing crazy. And I got repped by ACME Talent,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I did um what. I did
Speaker 1: a lot of books on tape because I could read
Speaker 1: well as a child. I did um uh a little
Speaker 1: reading for a book on tape called O. J. Simpson.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you what was that about. I
Speaker 1: had to read a letter written by a child to O.
Speaker 1: J during the trial. Oh my god, what it's on
Speaker 1: cassette tape available on Amazon. Oh my god, I wanted
Speaker 1: to very ray J. Simpson. I want to tell you.
Speaker 1: I have the clue it was. It was the child
Speaker 1: you're reading for pro o J pro ja. A kid
Speaker 1: writing to o J is gonna be a fan? And
Speaker 1: then I don't like you. Do you think o J
Speaker 1: did it? What is that controversial? Now? Why would you
Speaker 1: back away from this? Is your next project with o J? Simpson? Yeah? Uh,
Speaker 1: you're terrible to me, you know, he says, because Eric
Speaker 1: Anderson from Rewards Watch asked them, was from a fan?
Speaker 1: How was the acting Matt Rogers and Andrew used that
Speaker 1: opportunity to say that I was attacking him with bits
Speaker 1: during the show. Do you feel during the show? It's
Speaker 1: all love. I feel the love. I feel the love.
Speaker 1: But yes, my it was a very short lived acting career.
Speaker 1: I hit puberty, got ugly, and then UM dropped me.
Speaker 1: They dropped me. Don't do that. I almost don't do that.
Speaker 1: You're being Howie right now. Don't do that, how we asked,
Speaker 1: but I did. Um. I almost made it onto you
Speaker 1: the show VR Troopers. Oh my god, I fucking loved
Speaker 1: that show. What is that? I don't know one of
Speaker 1: the many it was. It was a knockoff of Powering,
Speaker 1: except they would go like part it was in virtual
Speaker 1: reality and yeah it was only three of them one
Speaker 1: one person of color, one white person and a girl.
Speaker 1: That's not too bad for the time saying, um, but
Speaker 1: I loved it. I think it gave me a certain
Speaker 1: um uh like respect for actors. Because it's hard. It's
Speaker 1: really hard. It's hard. I know you say it's sometimes hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you do say that a lot. I think it's sometimes hard,
Speaker 1: but no, the lifestyle around it is not hard, like
Speaker 1: the way you could you sitting in a chair and
Speaker 1: drink for that not hard, but but occasionally like it
Speaker 1: is hard. I mean like we would all say they
Speaker 1: were definitely hard moments and U and it was hard
Speaker 1: to memorize the script. That's not hard hard, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the writing was the Joel Joel Jumble. The writing. Joel
Speaker 1: wrote the script in a really cool way. It was
Speaker 1: like non linear at like the letter level. So they
Speaker 1: was like a fucking like pan grams thing. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: had every day was and you only had like ten
Speaker 1: minutes to memorize the line and then it would disappear.
Speaker 1: It's like Marvel style, like you get it on an
Speaker 1: iPad and then like kind of wipes off. Did I
Speaker 1: ever tell you auditioned for Licorice pizza for for the
Speaker 1: Ben Safty role. No, it was. It was at the
Speaker 1: end of the movie, like the Safty's boyfriend the game
Speaker 1: for that his script, Like what you like you had
Speaker 1: auditioned for for that? I might have found an NDA,
Speaker 1: but it's like far in the past now, but like
Speaker 1: truly like one of those like a toror scripts, which
Speaker 1: is like not a capital letter, insight, punctuation wild, like
Speaker 1: eight commas in a row to denote like I don't
Speaker 1: know what emotion, but like one of those things. And
Speaker 1: then it was nominated for screenplay at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, So like, I mean, who's to say anything
Speaker 1: has to be not mortal? When when I auditioned for
Speaker 1: Eternals for Gay Husband, um, the audition sides were from
Speaker 1: Goodwill hunting for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think every
Speaker 1: gay person, every scene, which I didn't get that, every
Speaker 1: gay person of color. You're right, I need to know.
Speaker 1: It was Robin Williams. No, no, no, it was, it
Speaker 1: was the famous scene. It was between Matt Damon and
Speaker 1: Robin Williams's Great Shepherd or whatever. Missed opportunity for a
Speaker 1: little mini driver action. I know she's so good at
Speaker 1: it would have been so funny if Marvel was auditioning
Speaker 1: their first gay character and made the audition being honestly,
Speaker 1: that would be sort of I got a little bit
Speaker 1: of your pickle, Like, come on, such a good moment, Okay,
Speaker 1: can we actually say something and and and say that
Speaker 1: Joel watched a movie for the first time recently that matter.
Speaker 1: Oh god, this was a shock. This was a shock.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Joel text us the other day and goes,
Speaker 1: I have something to say, and I go, oh, would
Speaker 1: be anything, It could be anything. I just thought Aaron
Speaker 1: Rockovitch for the first time, first time Aaron brock Witch
Speaker 1: comes up like once every isn't that? I feel like
Speaker 1: in the script, Jewel, I know you cut it though.
Speaker 1: The best lines were cut. One of my favorite lines
Speaker 1: I had was cut, and I'm gonna confront you both
Speaker 1: about it right now. It was the scene where we
Speaker 1: bring Zane over to the house and I say, you
Speaker 1: say to Zane, it's not too late to leave, and
Speaker 1: then I say rude, And then under my breath, I go.
Speaker 1: And also it is too late, and I can't believe
Speaker 1: it's cut, and I want an explanation, right, I will
Speaker 1: say I No one had more lines cut from the
Speaker 1: film than me. Well, you get the most lines. Trying
Speaker 1: to be real, why was that cut? Now? Why? I
Speaker 1: actually curious which one should I address first? Me? Now
Speaker 1: it's my show. He's going to get so much attention
Speaker 1: over the next couple few weeks. I need this moment.
Speaker 1: Why did you cut my line? I think it was
Speaker 1: it was to get to Mersa Tomay faster. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: it's the thing. It's such a set piece, you know,
Speaker 1: it's such a set piece. It's so good. Um. And
Speaker 1: then Aaron brockovid, I think it had something to do
Speaker 1: with um uh wanting to get to um the romance
Speaker 1: of that scene faster. So he's always cutting things to
Speaker 1: get somewhere else. I'm cutting. We had to leave stuff
Speaker 1: for the DVD extra. Yeah, but okay, can I say
Speaker 1: something and this actually, okay, maybe I should because I
Speaker 1: told you what I don't think is gonna be Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe so I shouldn't get into this challenge. But
Speaker 1: will we see scenes from the cutting room floor? Will
Speaker 1: we see them. I mean place but the only no,
Speaker 1: everyone stopped. Let's stop pretending that people still buy Blu
Speaker 1: Rays DVDs, go off to watch the only place feature
Speaker 1: that's live now is on fucking YouTube YouTube dot com.
Speaker 1: And it's like, it's hard to serve that up unless
Speaker 1: it's like in people's algorithm. And that's something that I'll
Speaker 1: get to in mind and think, so honey, but I
Speaker 1: just think it's everyone's like, it'll be in the DVD.
Speaker 1: It's like, stop saying that. You don't mean that. Don't
Speaker 1: directors say this, including our illustrious director. It should have
Speaker 1: been in the film. It should have stayed in the film.
Speaker 1: You should have kept everything that was cut up. There's
Speaker 1: roughly twenty minutes that was cut from the film that
Speaker 1: I would love to see back in. Oh God, the
Speaker 1: three of you are just like, yeah, you held you responsible.
Speaker 1: I I agree, there's a lot of stuff that I
Speaker 1: wish we're still directors cut, directors cut well released the
Speaker 1: on cut. Yeah, what was your process? This is like
Speaker 1: a serious question. First day of post you're seeing almost
Speaker 1: all of it, like like like like like like how
Speaker 1: does it work in the beginning. I'm just curious so
Speaker 1: our brilliant editor Brian Kates, Short Bus, Fame, Private Life,
Speaker 1: The Savages. M He's amazing, He's amazing. He uh, keep
Speaker 1: compliment my a d R. Well we'll talk about r
Speaker 1: king well, because I kept going, I'm doing a bad job.
Speaker 1: And then Brian goes, it's always the ones who think
Speaker 1: they're doing bad actually, because I leave every ad R
Speaker 1: like I think a R is one of my great skills.
Speaker 1: But so Brian, um uh. He wanted a few extra
Speaker 1: days to finish his assembly of the movie, and so
Speaker 1: I had, like I had like four or five days
Speaker 1: to just decompress, like not think about the film, try
Speaker 1: and like put that behind me. Um. I remember I
Speaker 1: had like jacked office, sat around and tracked off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. I was still in New York. I had
Speaker 1: like a fancy dinner and and I I came back
Speaker 1: to New York like just like chilled, saw some of
Speaker 1: Seawan's friends. Um, and then I just shown as his
Speaker 1: boyfriend his boyfriend is he's gay gay gay lover? I
Speaker 1: love that. At some point, like in the process of
Speaker 1: getting to know me, Joel was like, you have to
Speaker 1: stop talking about your boyfriends. L O L wait, your
Speaker 1: irold you like Irold. Every time I said, like, oh,
Speaker 1: like the guy that I was dating. This is not
Speaker 1: about you're talking about too much about your boyfriends. It
Speaker 1: is the fact that you have had seventeen boyfriend Have
Speaker 1: you had a lot of boyfriends? I've had I've had four. Four.
Speaker 1: How old are you? That's a lot. I've had four.
Speaker 1: This has been my longest relations Once every ten years,
Speaker 1: he's had a boyfriend. Did you have a boyfriend when
Speaker 1: you were young? I had. I had two college boyfriends too,
Speaker 1: and one of them broke my heart. Then I think
Speaker 1: I'm so much better off. But then but then guess
Speaker 1: what he broke. He broke another boy's heart. It's just
Speaker 1: it's a terrible. It's a cycle. It's just like anyway.
Speaker 1: I want people to move people, people wounded people. I
Speaker 1: watched the assembly and it was I think it was
Speaker 1: like two hours long, and I I couldn't watch it,
Speaker 1: Like it was really hard for me, Like I just
Speaker 1: kept thinking about the shoot, and I kept thinking about
Speaker 1: like I wish we got this, or like the beach
Speaker 1: looks like it's raining and like and so I just
Speaker 1: thought of all the problems and then it's not until
Speaker 1: you kind of get your hands in it that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: like like it, it's I get it, I see it.
Speaker 1: You kind of turn it um and I you know,
Speaker 1: I think with every cut, I felt like, oh, like
Speaker 1: it's turning into something that was really beautiful and um
Speaker 1: and and something that I hope Joel is going to
Speaker 1: be happy with. He was jo You were the first
Speaker 1: screening for Joel. I was shaken in my boy, you
Speaker 1: were shaking in your booties. But I remember you saying
Speaker 1: that that first screening went over so well. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought it was great. I loved that version of the movie.
Speaker 1: I think that, like, there are definitely things that were
Speaker 1: improved by like notes and things like that that we
Speaker 1: got from the studio, and there are things that I
Speaker 1: missed certainly. Well that's going to be with everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I do think that I am glad that the
Speaker 1: movie is under an hour forty ultimately, like the the
Speaker 1: actual movie with credits, it's longer, but like, yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: not every movie needs to be two and a half hours. No,
Speaker 1: And I actually hate when they are, Like I think
Speaker 1: it's a great length. It never feels like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a joy to watch from start to finish.
Speaker 1: Although I will say watching it the first time, I
Speaker 1: think as an actor in the movie and experience too,
Speaker 1: and I was actually surprised that you did not have
Speaker 1: this experience. I still have this experience. Well yes, but
Speaker 1: like I wept after the first time I saw it,
Speaker 1: not in a good way. I was like I had
Speaker 1: like a dysmorphic down. I FaceTime you and was weeping,
Speaker 1: like and I then I watched a second time, and
Speaker 1: you had this experience too where you first saw it
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh my god. And then the second
Speaker 1: time watched it, and it's like it comes together in
Speaker 1: a way. There is like a shock of seeing yourself
Speaker 1: play a situation that you kind of It is a
Speaker 1: very meta film for all of us, and so watching
Speaker 1: yourself do it, it's like and I think maybe it's
Speaker 1: a thing of watching yourself on camera, to which I'm
Speaker 1: not really very used to, to be honest. But the
Speaker 1: second time I watched it and was able to watch
Speaker 1: it as a movie, I was so moved and like
Speaker 1: beyond proud to be a part of it after I
Speaker 1: got over the shock of seeing what we had done
Speaker 1: for the first time. So maybe that's like the same
Speaker 1: with you. Too. It's like you watch it for the
Speaker 1: first time and you think, oh my god, you're so
Speaker 1: self critical, you can't get over it. And then like
Speaker 1: you'll see it again and it starts to become more clear.
Speaker 1: Is that correct? I think that's it's it's it's like
Speaker 1: there's a there's a weird um like shock you just
Speaker 1: like seeing something that you've done. And and also like
Speaker 1: when it's not like fully polished. You know, there's something
Speaker 1: about filmmaking, you know, it's like it's such a fantasy
Speaker 1: and anything that takes you out of it, it makes
Speaker 1: it difficult to like assess well. And it's also it's
Speaker 1: like a unique sort of process. This is in the
Speaker 1: television because when you're when I'm writing the script, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing it as it's being created, like I you're when
Speaker 1: I'm when someone's painting. They're seeing it like slowly form
Speaker 1: and be created. But like it's not like there's still
Speaker 1: so much work. And even just like from the that
Speaker 1: first cut to now with like the mixes, the sound
Speaker 1: has changed every time I've seen it too, in such
Speaker 1: a remarkable way, Like I don't even know how to explain,
Speaker 1: Like just hearing everything is it makes it so different,
Speaker 1: I think, But I think you're summing up like a
Speaker 1: really a really nice and a general in a good
Speaker 1: way creative process where like clays on the table, you're like, God,
Speaker 1: look at this fucking clay, and then you mold it
Speaker 1: and then and then there is that like moment where
Speaker 1: you want to fast forward to it sooner where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: now it's starting to come together. There is just this
Speaker 1: crucible you have to walk through everything, especially with writing,
Speaker 1: especially with like anything that's generative. I don't know where
Speaker 1: you just get You have to get over that first
Speaker 1: phase of like, oh this this is rough, this sucks.
Speaker 1: Not that you felt that it sucked or anything, no, no,
Speaker 1: but there is a thing of like especially when you
Speaker 1: are the director of the film, and it's like your
Speaker 1: responsibility to curate it, like this is both of you too.
Speaker 1: It's like it does like once you write it and
Speaker 1: you start in it, it leaves you for a second
Speaker 1: and then comes back to you in this form and
Speaker 1: you're like wait, what, like especially like being a control
Speaker 1: freak about like the jokes in the script and like
Speaker 1: working on that stuff and like shooting it, getting the takes,
Speaker 1: and then it comes back and it's like, wait, this
Speaker 1: is a part of the process that I did not
Speaker 1: have the skills for, and you have had all the
Speaker 1: skills from the writing to the acting to the producing,
Speaker 1: and then it goes away during this crucial part of
Speaker 1: the process, which is editing, and then it comes back
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god. And it's like that
Speaker 1: adjustment period it is like a little shocking. And I mean,
Speaker 1: just I can speak for Bowen and I like we
Speaker 1: were just actors in the film and it came back
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my god, Like it's it is
Speaker 1: like a shock, especially when you realize that like ideally
Speaker 1: and probably a lot of people are going to see it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, I just remember at
Speaker 1: one point while we're editing, I think a bunch of
Speaker 1: us got together here in New York and remember that
Speaker 1: went out to and and I was telling bow and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like it's like you
Speaker 1: brought up Fire Island on the podcast, you know, and
Speaker 1: Boone was like, you know, we need to stop talking
Speaker 1: about we need to stop talking about that. And I
Speaker 1: think the next episode, like like Matt was like I
Speaker 1: saw the film and then and then you were like,
Speaker 1: but we're not going to talk about it, and it
Speaker 1: made it sound like it was bad. Well, you came
Speaker 1: over to my house with a few of the girls.
Speaker 1: It was like Louis Fortell, Gossake was there, are and
Speaker 1: Nico was there, and we watched it like in a
Speaker 1: very contained atmosphere and watched it on my television, which
Speaker 1: always bums me out because like it's skips, like and
Speaker 1: we were streaming from the computer and it was like
Speaker 1: skipping a little bit, and I was just like by
Speaker 1: the end of it, and then I remember we watched
Speaker 1: we watched Tomas and Diana on Netflix, which is like
Speaker 1: an ingorgeous palate cleanser, which, by the way, some of
Speaker 1: the songs were actually really good. Were they not stopped all?
Speaker 1: They were good? You looked away from me and the
Speaker 1: songs and Diana were good, the Bob Slay and go
Speaker 1: off and but but anyway, like it was like you're
Speaker 1: watching it rough and you're like, oh my god. And
Speaker 1: then I realized, like, never again can I watch early cuts?
Speaker 1: Do not show them to me, Like I'd rather just
Speaker 1: see it when it's when it's fully done, because it
Speaker 1: drives me crazy, like especially then you see it and
Speaker 1: then things get cut and like things get shifted around,
Speaker 1: like and then you do kind of like feel grateful
Speaker 1: to be just like a part of the process and
Speaker 1: then like be able to wash our hands of it
Speaker 1: and then get it. But I think we all did feel,
Speaker 1: even though like we were only merely actors in the movie,
Speaker 1: like an ownership over it, because I remember when we wrapped,
Speaker 1: like and we were all posting our like instagrams about it.
Speaker 1: I remember saying, like, while this is still ours, like
Speaker 1: this feels like really really good because it does have
Speaker 1: a special place and I think all of our hearts
Speaker 1: because it is about so so much that's very real
Speaker 1: to all of us. And it was funny because we
Speaker 1: had gone to fire all in the month before, and
Speaker 1: then it felt like we were back like acting out
Speaker 1: the experience of doing it. Like definitely, I think for
Speaker 1: all of us, like and habing like a younger version
Speaker 1: of ourselves. And I think that the three of us
Speaker 1: here like all played roles that were sort of like,
Speaker 1: if not written directly for us, then like you know,
Speaker 1: inspired in the writing a lot. Would you say, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I mean actually you you of the people that I
Speaker 1: like had in mind while I was writing it. You
Speaker 1: two are the only ones who ended up in the movie,
Speaker 1: and so like, I think that we knew that, and
Speaker 1: so walking away from it was very emotional, and I
Speaker 1: wonder like how you felt like walking away from that experience.
Speaker 1: And I also wonder like what character you relate to
Speaker 1: the most, no no, genuinely like and I wonder like,
Speaker 1: what was your connection to what was your connection to
Speaker 1: the piece in that way? I mean, for for me,
Speaker 1: the connection was always uh, the Noah Howe friendship. You know,
Speaker 1: like I have a group of gay Asian friends who
Speaker 1: you've met now, you know, and they're so fun and
Speaker 1: lovely and I I didn't know they were a part
Speaker 1: of your pitch deck to which makes uh and I
Speaker 1: just really uh, you know, I really connected to the
Speaker 1: fact that here's a film that has to like queer
Speaker 1: Asian American leads, uh, and they're super different and their
Speaker 1: friends like that to me felt really uh like special
Speaker 1: And it's like and as someone who's made queer Asian
Speaker 1: American film, like you know, spawn Ny, it's a very sad,
Speaker 1: you know, lonely perspective. Um. And so that that was
Speaker 1: how I, you know, came into the material. I also
Speaker 1: love Pride and Prejudice, Like I love Pride and Prejudice
Speaker 1: that Joe Wright. Pride and Prejudice is like my comfort
Speaker 1: movie math Matthew, No, Colin gets like the Darcy like iconography,
Speaker 1: but like Matthew, well, my favorite Mr. Darcy is now
Speaker 1: Conrad Rick and Mora. I mean, come on, we've got
Speaker 1: our gay Darcy. You know you guys like everyone listening
Speaker 1: like you're gonna absolutely get your life watching him in it.
Speaker 1: He's so fucking good. So well, remember when you and
Speaker 1: I met for the first time, like you were like
Speaker 1: the big draw for me and this for this project
Speaker 1: was that it's Pride and Prejudice. It's about Jane and
Speaker 1: Liz like that. It's it's like an opportunity to tell
Speaker 1: that story, but you focus it on a different point. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's like the like the brilliance of Joel's
Speaker 1: like querification of the stories that you take it away
Speaker 1: from the romances and you focus it back onto the
Speaker 1: chosen family. And I think that that's something that queer
Speaker 1: audiences really understand. You know, I've been saying, and this
Speaker 1: does sound like a total sound bite, but I've been
Speaker 1: saying the thing that Joel has layered on so well,
Speaker 1: is that it's about belonging, and like, I don't think
Speaker 1: I would say that pride and prejudice the original text
Speaker 1: is not necessarily about that. It's about divides in a way.
Speaker 1: But it's like, but there is this thing about people's conception.
Speaker 1: People's notions of Fire Islands have to do with whether
Speaker 1: or not they feel like they belong there, or if
Speaker 1: they go with people that they feel like they belong
Speaker 1: you know. So I feel like that's like the brilliant
Speaker 1: thing and we're just something someone's pulled. A bunch of
Speaker 1: people have pulled obviously from it too. Is like that
Speaker 1: that I had not really zeroed in on either, is
Speaker 1: about like desire and why we desire and how much
Speaker 1: that drives an experience like this one um like for example,
Speaker 1: and I think it's actually in every single character that's
Speaker 1: that has a main plot in the movie, is just
Speaker 1: like this idea of wanting and wanting to be wanted
Speaker 1: and wanting to be desired. Like, was that in that
Speaker 1: in your head the entire time? Oh? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: because I think that's like a huge part of my
Speaker 1: journey over the last like five years of like of
Speaker 1: being in New York and then being in l A
Speaker 1: and then like exploring like all of the like no fats,
Speaker 1: no fems, no Asians bullshit. That has like been sort
Speaker 1: of in me since I downloaded Grinder in two thousand eleven,
Speaker 1: you know, like, and I think like it's followed you
Speaker 1: coming yeah, yeah, yeah, and coming to terms with like
Speaker 1: understanding that like I want to be desired and by
Speaker 1: who and all of these things, and then working that
Speaker 1: out over the course of the last several years. It's
Speaker 1: like the whole reason one of the big reasons I
Speaker 1: wanted to explore um this story through the lens of
Speaker 1: class vs. V. Prid and prejudice. Yeah. I wasn't on
Speaker 1: that trip where you were reading that book, but I
Speaker 1: do remember you came back and like then you wrote
Speaker 1: that piece for Penguin Penge that it's they're publishing Tupping
Speaker 1: hang One Random House. Yeah, they have a website. They
Speaker 1: had a literary blog that isn't that wasn't then defunct,
Speaker 1: but they added just that essay back. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: find that the essay is really brilliant. I wish I
Speaker 1: had read it before you had. I had it it
Speaker 1: was because it wasn't it wasn't anywhere they took it.
Speaker 1: The whole blog that it was a part of went down,
Speaker 1: so really yeah, that's cool that they brought it back though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was nice. Yeah, No, that's and that's the mapping
Speaker 1: is just so it's so clear, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's it's it's a home run, Jolie.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We're very proud of you. Thank you. Are
Speaker 1: you stick of hearing it? No? No, I just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't like it has I'm not quite
Speaker 1: able to absorb it right now, I think, And I
Speaker 1: think like part of it is like wanting to enjoy
Speaker 1: this period where it's still like ours like you were,
Speaker 1: like you were saying, where it's like still ours and
Speaker 1: then you know, come Friday, when it's out in the
Speaker 1: world has seen it, it feel like this part will
Speaker 1: be over. And we were staying on the way over here,
Speaker 1: like man was like the discourse will be broken open
Speaker 1: in a way for better or for worse, like it
Speaker 1: will be like in another set of hands. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that's also like also, what's sort of comforting about
Speaker 1: a process like this though, is that ultimately, like it
Speaker 1: does not belong to you, it belongs to the people
Speaker 1: that it's going to affect. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: actually kind of nice, Like we think about it in
Speaker 1: a certain way of like how it's going to be
Speaker 1: discussed on social media and what are going to be
Speaker 1: the things that people like decide to hammer on or
Speaker 1: like talk about. But also it's like, Okay, I went
Speaker 1: on YouTube and I typed I was really high one night.
Speaker 1: It was like really late at night, and I typed
Speaker 1: in the words fire Fire Island trailer and I saw
Speaker 1: I saw someone's response video to the trailer, and it
Speaker 1: was this person who was so sweet and doesn't have
Speaker 1: that many followers on YouTube and was so exciting movie.
Speaker 1: And it was just truly like him watching the trailer
Speaker 1: and laughing and his eyes got so big, and like
Speaker 1: he said in very few words after the trailer was open,
Speaker 1: was was was on and he said very few words
Speaker 1: about the movie, but he said, it just makes you
Speaker 1: want to go to Fire Island and like have experience
Speaker 1: like this. And I thought, that's really who the movie
Speaker 1: is for, you know what I mean. It's for people
Speaker 1: who are going to like live this experience through the movie,
Speaker 1: and it's about it's about friendship, and it's about Yes,
Speaker 1: it's just like I wish it wasn't so cliche to say,
Speaker 1: but the Chosen family and how important that is and
Speaker 1: how it's still important even though we've all been lucky
Speaker 1: enough to live that experience for such a long time.
Speaker 1: I started crying, Um that that's like really it's it's
Speaker 1: very meaningful, and it's so it makes me so proud
Speaker 1: to be a part of an Honestly, I was so
Speaker 1: emotional at that that second screening that I saw for
Speaker 1: so many reasons. Yeah, well we watched it again at
Speaker 1: my house and I was like beyond moved, but not
Speaker 1: only just because of that, because of like the image
Speaker 1: of love that we get to see at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, you know, the nod to you know,
Speaker 1: the past, and the song that's chosen. It just like
Speaker 1: overwhelmed me so much. And like you did. You boys
Speaker 1: did an amazing job, and you did such a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful film. You did a beautiful film. Well my sister
Speaker 1: as a star. And let me let me turn to
Speaker 1: you right now and say you did that, queen. What
Speaker 1: were you to say, Andrew? I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: to go back to your previous question about like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like letting go of it. And and I think
Speaker 1: that there's a certain understanding, um of my work where
Speaker 1: uh it's like I have to find a kind of
Speaker 1: meaningfulness in just the process of making it, you know.
Speaker 1: And and I think it has to do with how
Speaker 1: when I made my first feature Spawn night, like I
Speaker 1: was like, who's going to watch this? Like I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's going to get into any festivals. And
Speaker 1: so for me, I said to my whole team, I
Speaker 1: was like, even if this doesn't go anywhere, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy that we did this together and I'm so glad
Speaker 1: we made this right. And so I've I've held onto
Speaker 1: that through driveways and then even on this even though
Speaker 1: I knew that it was going to be on Hulu
Speaker 1: already right like it already had guaranteed distribution, I was like,
Speaker 1: let's just make it so that, um, we have a
Speaker 1: great time doing this together and whatever happens in the
Speaker 1: future is bonus, you know. And so that for me,
Speaker 1: I think has been really like healthy and like thinking
Speaker 1: about like this release now, you know, well, I think
Speaker 1: you did a brilliant thing which was before the table read.
Speaker 1: So this is before like most of the cast had
Speaker 1: met each other for the first time, but you had me, Angel, Matt, Thomas, Torrean,
Speaker 1: and Margaret come early and you sat us down and
Speaker 1: you were like, everybody go around and like share an
Speaker 1: experience you had either on the island or like a
Speaker 1: fond vacation memory you had like with friends, or like
Speaker 1: with your chosen family. And this was like and like Matt, Matt,
Speaker 1: Joel and I knew each other, but then you know
Speaker 1: the rest we weren't. We were getting to know the rest.
Speaker 1: And it was the perfect level setting of just like
Speaker 1: everybody coming in with the same shared notion of what
Speaker 1: like this movie, like what these characters were going through.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was the perfect thing too. I
Speaker 1: really that stayed with me the entire time of shooting.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Andrew did that for a reason, um,
Speaker 1: and I'm really grateful. It's like so much more fun
Speaker 1: to talk about, like a fun trip we've had versus
Speaker 1: like tell me about your coming out. Everyone going on
Speaker 1: this table and say an interesting fact. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we ask Andrew's questions. It's time. It's time, okay, Andrew,
Speaker 1: because we've asked Joel. Um, this is Joel's appearance on
Speaker 1: this the most freaking guests. He's a co host the
Speaker 1: third one time. Bowen will sometimes will sort of log
Speaker 1: onto the virtual room and be like guys, I don't
Speaker 1: know guys, and I'm like okay, and then Joel always
Speaker 1: comes through. It's like when Lisa Link comes back to
Speaker 1: host of Yeah, that's ask him the question. Now, Okay, Andrew,
Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you say culture is
Speaker 1: for me? Um? So, I think I've been preparing for this.
Speaker 1: I've been so many different answers. I think it has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with um it's VH one's pop
Speaker 1: up video. Oh my god. Yeah, there's just something about
Speaker 1: it where like I realized, like I realized, like true
Speaker 1: is something that you can like analyze and has a backstory,
Speaker 1: you know, and I loved like like I don't know
Speaker 1: why I still remember like the Jamericai Virtual Insanity video,
Speaker 1: like more blood was supposed to gush out of that room,
Speaker 1: you know, like because of Papa video or like uh
Speaker 1: for it's all coming back to me now. Celine Dion
Speaker 1: like like um, when she's brushing her hair, the fact
Speaker 1: was like over brushing leads to alopecia, you know, like
Speaker 1: the most bizarre things. It's the reason I know that
Speaker 1: that third Eye Blind song is about what like Heroin
Speaker 1: is from because of Papa. I wish you would step
Speaker 1: back that one. No, um no do do do do
Speaker 1: do do? Do? Oh? Yeah? Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Um
Speaker 1: did it teach you about like production or whatever like
Speaker 1: into like isn't that what is that fair? Is that? Like? Maybe?
Speaker 1: So that's a good question. I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: I think I think it. Uh. There was something about
Speaker 1: UM uh like visuals and music and UM and how
Speaker 1: those come together that like did fascinate me, Like I
Speaker 1: remember and this is like somewhat related, but like UM
Speaker 1: in college, I was like obsessed with UM music videos
Speaker 1: and I like sat my best friend down, you know, Charlie,
Speaker 1: in front of the computer and I was like, you're
Speaker 1: watching the maps video for from the and she was
Speaker 1: like that was good and I was like that was
Speaker 1: just good, like and I could tell that I had
Speaker 1: this passion for it in a way that like made me,
Speaker 1: uh like like want to learn how to make it,
Speaker 1: you know. And so that that was a segue. But
Speaker 1: I think with popa video, I think the other thing
Speaker 1: too that was fun for me was like because I
Speaker 1: think I was ten when it came out, like and
Speaker 1: just remember like talking to my friends and being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like did you see the POPA video?
Speaker 1: Like I know this about this song and like and
Speaker 1: I lived in a very kind of Asian American suburb
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles, um, and like my friends and I
Speaker 1: would go to karaoke after school, you know, and like
Speaker 1: just like the stupidest things. Like I think that's when
Speaker 1: I realized, like culture is super it's shared, right, Like
Speaker 1: I remember like someone saying, Sarah McLaughlin, I will remember you,
Speaker 1: and then like a number of us did the and
Speaker 1: I just like we couldn't stop laughing. And I was like,
Speaker 1: how did we all know this? And it's like because
Speaker 1: we all like watch the video and we all knew
Speaker 1: the song. So it's like there there's something about that
Speaker 1: VH one MTV, but more VH one I think for me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was definitely a VH one. I wasn't
Speaker 1: allowed to watch M was H one just ga um.
Speaker 1: I think that vhe yes, it was presenting like light sophistication.
Speaker 1: It was at the time. It was more a doc
Speaker 1: contemper and so I was allowed to watch MT NO
Speaker 1: I was not allowed to watch MTV because my mom
Speaker 1: associated with sexuality overt sexuality, like trashy sexually, like there
Speaker 1: was always blurred out, pixelated nudity, and v H one
Speaker 1: was never going to show that. But what v H
Speaker 1: one did was it was more of a sensuality. So
Speaker 1: my idea, my my like my like cultivated like idea
Speaker 1: of what like sexuality was was less like horny teens
Speaker 1: making out open mouth on a beach. It was more
Speaker 1: about like Shania Twain like draped off the shoulder shawl
Speaker 1: man in a bathtub in that black and white music video. Yes,
Speaker 1: and also Mariah carry my all in that tight black
Speaker 1: mini dress like singing over the Black Lake, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and then her like on a plank
Speaker 1: and like she sort of makes that with a guy
Speaker 1: and like you see just like her back as a
Speaker 1: shaw comes down, like it's like tasteful nudity. But whereas
Speaker 1: like and I also and also was they were obsessed
Speaker 1: with the divas too, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: MTV was not showing selendion. I'll going back to me now,
Speaker 1: like pH one was like they were concerned about like
Speaker 1: the ladies and not like the boys and the girls,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, in a way that I
Speaker 1: think was formative. I love that Mariah carry always be
Speaker 1: my baby video with her and like the tire like
Speaker 1: it's so good, so good, so good. I do want
Speaker 1: to say that there is a Mad TV pop up
Speaker 1: video sketch parody where it's Maria Debord Wilson is Mariah
Speaker 1: singing the Lover her Heart and it was the heart heartbreaker,
Speaker 1: but the parody. But but like it's all these people
Speaker 1: being like Mariah Maria, Mariah is acting weird in this
Speaker 1: whatever and then and then and then the last one
Speaker 1: is Mariah popping up and going, Hi, I'm Mariah, I'm
Speaker 1: from Mars. And I just want to say. One of
Speaker 1: the funniest things about Bowen TV. He is of, Hey,
Speaker 1: we got Matt TV better on our antenna. We didn't
Speaker 1: have cable. We got mad to be better on an
Speaker 1: antenna than we did SNL. So I would watch I
Speaker 1: would typically watch Matt TV first and more often and SNL.
Speaker 1: I like, if I got the Bunny ears just right,
Speaker 1: then I would watch Bowen loves it All. Bowen loves
Speaker 1: Miss Swan, I love Stewart, I love Miss Swan. My
Speaker 1: family and I would watch mad TV and miss Swan
Speaker 1: like we laugh. We laughed because it was actually not
Speaker 1: really even. It was a nondescript, nondescript like amalgam where
Speaker 1: it was like kind of like horses shoot into like
Speaker 1: not even being Asian anymore. Well, I also think that
Speaker 1: like there is something aut also Swan is not an Asian. Well,
Speaker 1: there there's also something about um like first generation versus
Speaker 1: like second generation. Like there's a like a hilarious YouTube
Speaker 1: video of like first gen second gen like Chinese Americans
Speaker 1: eating Panda Express, and like the second gen like our
Speaker 1: generation is like, um, this is disgusting, like this is
Speaker 1: not Chinese, and the first ten is like this is delicious,
Speaker 1: Like they're like loving it and they're like it's not
Speaker 1: Chinese food, but it's great. And there's something about that
Speaker 1: where I'm like my parents watching this one, They're like,
Speaker 1: this is an Asian but it's hilarious. You know, would
Speaker 1: you ever direct a music video? Started? I was going
Speaker 1: to ask that I've done a little. I've I've directed
Speaker 1: to music videos for a friend, Dia Frampton, who I
Speaker 1: think is so oh my god. Joel and I watched
Speaker 1: The Voice every week. I was in a voice fantasy
Speaker 1: league for many seasons. Do you Frampton? Frampton and she's
Speaker 1: she's so good as a performer, Like, and you sent
Speaker 1: me some of her songs during productive I did. I
Speaker 1: asked you to listen to Die Wild as a way
Speaker 1: to get me. Oh god, and so in the Holley mood.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. But I I love Dia and
Speaker 1: she she said, hey, like, you know, I'd love to
Speaker 1: work with you in some way. This was right after
Speaker 1: spaw Nite, and so I did these two music videos
Speaker 1: that like have uh like more narrative, you know, there's
Speaker 1: more of a story. Um, there's a love story between
Speaker 1: Dia and the actor Yoshi Siddar. So um where I
Speaker 1: recreate the Darcy hand moment she slips and falls and
Speaker 1: he like helps her up, and it's like and I
Speaker 1: showed her that moment and I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to recreate this. Uh so yeah. So pride and prejudice
Speaker 1: has really been a part of life. Yeah exactly. So
Speaker 1: you're saying you're reusing shots from the people's movies. What
Speaker 1: is what is our hand moment? It's the dance. It's
Speaker 1: when I put my little like gay risk ends up
Speaker 1: on Conrad's shoulder. I didn't notice that until this cut,
Speaker 1: this most recent, the final cut, I didn't notice the
Speaker 1: gay rest. Such a raptor is the claw. I hate it.
Speaker 1: It's one of my least favorite parts of the movie
Speaker 1: because I think it looks so goofy. But that's part
Speaker 1: of the movie that you're like, oh, yeah, that part,
Speaker 1: any part where I walk it's an extended scene of
Speaker 1: me walking and I look stop and what you do this?
Speaker 1: You do you do this? One of them? Yeah? It
Speaker 1: did you notice that that we added like a little yawned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did bowen rye this whenever we watched the scene
Speaker 1: of him falling in the water, the scene from the water.
Speaker 1: What is it about that? It's so good where I'm
Speaker 1: like screaming in the pool. It's fun it's funny that
Speaker 1: and it's truly me in the tub where like Joel
Speaker 1: invites Joel. I know, I know you hate that. I
Speaker 1: love that scene. I think it looks so you're armors
Speaker 1: look so good, you know, But it's this, It's it's
Speaker 1: the shot of me like kind of like looking up.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's so good. It's my profile
Speaker 1: is like, no, it's beautiful. Something I've had to let
Speaker 1: go of in the last couple of years is that
Speaker 1: I have no like objectivity about what I look like.
Speaker 1: It drove me into the ground. I cry, I wept. Oh,
Speaker 1: it was the scene where it was the scene the
Speaker 1: scene at the end, which is I don't want to
Speaker 1: spoil it because this episode is going to come out
Speaker 1: before the movie movie. But when we have our moment
Speaker 1: on the dock, it's just I can't like it's just
Speaker 1: like it's just like a chin thing and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't I can't stand my chin. But the thing
Speaker 1: is like you're watching it and like no one would
Speaker 1: see it but you. But that's what you you do
Speaker 1: not have permanence watching herself or you think you're going
Speaker 1: to show up on screen and look like fucking you
Speaker 1: know Ryan Reynolds. It's it's so beautiful. Well, and I
Speaker 1: think it's also like we also have too much troll
Speaker 1: over what we're putting out of ourselves now because of
Speaker 1: the Instagram of that, Like when the second you lose
Speaker 1: control of that and like you it's like I think
Speaker 1: it's just amplified ten percent. Like I will say, every
Speaker 1: single piece of press that I've posted of myself over
Speaker 1: the last month. I think I look bad in almost
Speaker 1: all of it. But I'm like, but again, but I've
Speaker 1: let go, I've just said I've just said, well, this
Speaker 1: is not what I look like, but here it is.
Speaker 1: Um So I don't know, it's crazy. I remember though,
Speaker 1: shooting the movie and I literally was like, I am
Speaker 1: making a pact with myself. And I did this for
Speaker 1: the series I shot too. I am not looking at
Speaker 1: a single daily I'm not looking at any shots. I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't want to see any footage of it,
Speaker 1: like until it's over, because I think of the death
Speaker 1: of like your ability to act comes when you see
Speaker 1: yourself doing it, because like then then you're literally going
Speaker 1: to think L O L. But I saw Jennifer Lawrence
Speaker 1: say this too, like she was like, I would never
Speaker 1: look at a picture of myself as still of myself,
Speaker 1: because once you're thinking about what you look like, you
Speaker 1: cannot act. You cannot do it. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's the it's that trust with the the way he's
Speaker 1: pouring the water into the fully fully, It's it's you
Speaker 1: have to. It's the trust that you give to the
Speaker 1: director right like they have to for you. I think
Speaker 1: I was very fortunate that like you all like trusted me,
Speaker 1: and I took it very seriously, you know, like I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to, uh like abuse the power. You know,
Speaker 1: we're all extremely nude in the film. Yeah, that's all
Speaker 1: new and nude. Yeah, I mean certainly the most nude
Speaker 1: we've all ever been on camera. That's true. But I
Speaker 1: feel like Andrew, really I know, I know you say
Speaker 1: you like had a light touch and such, because it's
Speaker 1: you know, you were trying to let us like the
Speaker 1: bring the comedy or whatever. But I feel like the
Speaker 1: it just made the moments of you stepping in and
Speaker 1: actually really shepherding the thing so much more meaningful. I
Speaker 1: don't know, like the the times why you would have
Speaker 1: to come in and like really like set me emotionally.
Speaker 1: I thought, we're always like so well done the bone,
Speaker 1: like the Howie emotional moments are so good, they're so good.
Speaker 1: Has more moment in the film. I'm gonna say, Bowen
Speaker 1: is Demi Moore in the film. That's and that's all
Speaker 1: will say. We're gonna say, and if you know what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, you're a real reader. Wait, okay, wait.
Speaker 1: A random question was Yeah, yeahs was it was there
Speaker 1: like a next Straan any because because of Karen Now,
Speaker 1: like do you know she I didn't know she was
Speaker 1: Karene until like five years ago. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: she was Korean either for a long time. And I
Speaker 1: think it was just like really into the music and
Speaker 1: and just her performance in that videos. Yes, your performance
Speaker 1: in this movie is amazing. Who is the best? Who
Speaker 1: is the best music video actor? Who's the best pop
Speaker 1: star acting in their music videos? Shad O'Connor, Nothing compares
Speaker 1: to you. Come. That's a really good That's a really
Speaker 1: good one. You're you might might be hard to beat
Speaker 1: on that one. I think Atlantis is actually pretty good video, Natalie,
Speaker 1: And it's it's one take Jesus, I will say, my
Speaker 1: favorite music video ever. And it's so we I've talked
Speaker 1: about it a bunch, talk about it. It's cool. Gwen's
Speaker 1: the fun. Oh Gwen slays that really good. And maybe
Speaker 1: it's not like the best acting in the music video
Speaker 1: of all time, but like the video is filming, the
Speaker 1: video is gorgeous. Have you seen that video? I can't remember.
Speaker 1: It's well, she's she's she's blonde, like she's blonde in
Speaker 1: bed like sort of saying the camera like reminiscing about
Speaker 1: this this like this reminiscent when she was and then
Speaker 1: the flashbacks are all these like beautiful like like Italian
Speaker 1: like this. The song is about like seeing someone that
Speaker 1: you were in a relationship many many many years later,
Speaker 1: and isn't it great that we're we're we've moved on
Speaker 1: and we're we're settled in our new lives, but we
Speaker 1: still remember that. And so the video is this thing
Speaker 1: of like she's inviting him over to her very palatial
Speaker 1: home in Italy and like he's got a new wife,
Speaker 1: and like they sit down and like the second they
Speaker 1: locked eyes, like it flashes back to them when they
Speaker 1: were young. It's so good, and Gwen is serving. No
Speaker 1: one revers Gwen as much outside of this podcast. I
Speaker 1: have to say, the number of times she appeared on
Speaker 1: a songbook, the number she's on a couple of times,
Speaker 1: she's more than Maria. Mariah only has one song on
Speaker 1: the People. Yeah, but Mariah's got a whole episode of
Speaker 1: this podcast though. Yeah, can I say on top of
Speaker 1: Papa Video, because Papa Video also did really influence me
Speaker 1: and make me want to make things too. But the
Speaker 1: other thing too. If I had to redo the question today,
Speaker 1: it would definitely be I think. I think enough time
Speaker 1: has passed. That was the culture they make you said
Speaker 1: culture was for you, Joe. This is so funny and
Speaker 1: that's my I don't think so, honey, that there's no
Speaker 1: shut up that opers. We were just talking about how
Speaker 1: bloopers are. Bloopers changed literally like everything for me because
Speaker 1: it opened you up to the the world, like beyond
Speaker 1: just the show. And you're like, oh my god, there's
Speaker 1: so many people involved in this. There's so much going on.
Speaker 1: They're like a family. Like I've watched The Office bloopers
Speaker 1: probably more than I've watched The Office at this point.
Speaker 1: Um the friends, bloopers were always banging, like I loved
Speaker 1: it the end of movies when they would play that,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like, I feel like if our movie
Speaker 1: didn't end as emotionally as it does, like and it
Speaker 1: is sort of like it's like it's a it's a
Speaker 1: cathartic high point. It's it's a great way to end
Speaker 1: the movie. But the way I wanted bloopers. There were
Speaker 1: a lot of bloopers. That's I think that's true. I think,
Speaker 1: and I remember you being like, is this movie funny
Speaker 1: because we're not breaking and laughing And you said that
Speaker 1: if few times and I was like, guest, it's just
Speaker 1: like we're all just doing And also we did. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like we were made of time, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean Like that, I think that was the thing
Speaker 1: is it was such a tightly scheduled shoot. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like we just had to move so quickly, you know,
Speaker 1: and and like some of those scenes like like the
Speaker 1: sun is already set, were like we need to get
Speaker 1: like we have twenty minutes right that day, the day
Speaker 1: the waves were crashing on the dock and we had
Speaker 1: to shoot that scene on the dock that was so rong.
Speaker 1: So we were everyone reading the readers. We were going
Speaker 1: to shoot the finale which takes place on the dock
Speaker 1: on this day where truly I've never seen the They
Speaker 1: were crashing over the dock like there was no way,
Speaker 1: and we're really trying to figure out a way where
Speaker 1: it's like okay, so we're gonna talk about how you
Speaker 1: guys can do this and not die, like and it
Speaker 1: was this thing too where we asked our like safety person,
Speaker 1: who like is uh nautical captain or somehow and we
Speaker 1: were like, it's like okay, like this is high tide,
Speaker 1: Like how how like how long will it take it
Speaker 1: till it gets lower? And he's like, no, this is
Speaker 1: low tide. It was a day and we just were
Speaker 1: like and we had a pivot and shoot like the
Speaker 1: boardwalk scene. Yeah, you know, which I think is turned out.
Speaker 1: Really it's great. It's really great. Yeah, people listen, we
Speaker 1: listen to this episode after you've seen the movie like
Speaker 1: a lot more. My My favorite thing about you, Matt
Speaker 1: in the movie is if you look like your hand
Speaker 1: tries to make it into so many shots, what are
Speaker 1: you saying, like if it's like not your coverage and
Speaker 1: you'll just see your hand snaking, are you dragging long fingers?
Speaker 1: Don't touch my arm? Are you dragging? You know? I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it's like you love It's like you love
Speaker 1: the camera. You mean, like like the character of Luke
Speaker 1: like just kind of like wants to like just like
Speaker 1: like get in there. I think it's great. It's like
Speaker 1: we put that like in purpose in the movie, Like
Speaker 1: there's a real sort of floating into the shots. There's
Speaker 1: like I love the moment between you and James Scully
Speaker 1: near the end of the film. Oh, I know you're
Speaker 1: talking and rolling with the homes and it's so good.
Speaker 1: There are three there. There's which is in the trailer,
Speaker 1: I believe, and then rolling with the homies, and then
Speaker 1: the other one is like a very oblique reference through
Speaker 1: Clueless and it's um it's a reference to the scene
Speaker 1: in Clueless where they're leaving the party in the valley
Speaker 1: and they're like you go with him, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. And then they're like they're yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like such if you watch the movie, you could
Speaker 1: probably miss it. But to me, in my head, that
Speaker 1: is a Clueless reference. So being this is kan cuckoo
Speaker 1: but like to be in like a gig, Clueless rocks.
Speaker 1: And so I love it so much. It's my favorite
Speaker 1: movie of all time. Probably. Yeah. So I mean, like
Speaker 1: I literally whenever anyone comes in here and says Clueless
Speaker 1: as their culture, that culture was for them, which happens
Speaker 1: a lot. Dr Wendy said that and like I was iconic,
Speaker 1: and like, but it really is. And like I remember
Speaker 1: you said, like when we were doing the movie, you
Speaker 1: were like, is this funny because we're not breaking Like
Speaker 1: this is this is happening. And you had a day
Speaker 1: where you did not think the movie was funny, and
Speaker 1: you were like a couple of days you were melting down,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it literally is. But now you
Speaker 1: watch it, and especially to watch it with a bunch
Speaker 1: of people, you realize, like there is a quote ability
Speaker 1: to which I have to say, I understand when comedy
Speaker 1: movies and comedy series want to be like dropped in
Speaker 1: and quote unquote grounded, but leave in the quotable lines.
Speaker 1: And you have to because it is. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can like when you said that culture was meant to
Speaker 1: be shared. I remember when I realized that you share it.
Speaker 1: We were literally at Bowen and I were, and we've
Speaker 1: done it probably every third time. It's the most basic
Speaker 1: thing about us. Yes, we literally our friendship is often quoting,
Speaker 1: and then we do it again the same line, and
Speaker 1: then we do it again simultaneously. So Bowen and I
Speaker 1: are like a lot of our friendship is just doing
Speaker 1: the mean girls monologues. I can't invite you to be
Speaker 1: a party because I think you're a lesbian. I mean, right,
Speaker 1: she was a lesbian. Girls there's gonna be color in
Speaker 1: their beating suits. We're doing it. We're doing you did
Speaker 1: this for when I said I saw a to you
Speaker 1: terror bitch. Excuse me, lady, too wrong feet. And but
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. If you want the movie
Speaker 1: to live a shared cultural asset, leave in the jokes.
Speaker 1: What can I say the iconography has to stay My
Speaker 1: Rudolph asked me this question on set for Loot, and
Speaker 1: we were talking it would turn into like a week
Speaker 1: slung conversation that we don't quote movies anymore? What is
Speaker 1: the last? Because of them? Honestly, it's Bridesmaids And it's
Speaker 1: like it's like it's it's these movies that are not
Speaker 1: afraid of being hard comedies. And this is something I
Speaker 1: really feel strongly about, is if you want an audience
Speaker 1: to fall in love with a character, give them jokes,
Speaker 1: because the serotonin pops when you see a character come
Speaker 1: on screen and then you think I'm going to get
Speaker 1: a joke, like subconsciously in the back of your mind.
Speaker 1: It's like if Jenna Moroney had no jokes, you should
Speaker 1: just be unbearable, like period, Do you know already? Like
Speaker 1: what a quotable? I know one? Yeah, from Fire Island?
Speaker 1: I do what's serious? Um than well, I mean like
Speaker 1: that is like the top. No, I think the one
Speaker 1: is not even a line that I wrote. It's Matt's improv,
Speaker 1: which is, um. Well, my two favorites are and eagle
Speaker 1: eye listeners will or eagle ear listeners will have to
Speaker 1: listen for these, but it's um can I can I
Speaker 1: trade anyone a crest white strip for a prep pill
Speaker 1: and I was really proud of. And then James James
Speaker 1: Scully has my second favorite, which is they really don't
Speaker 1: like it when you put makeup on animals. It's very subtle,
Speaker 1: but it's wait, can you ask a question? Everyone's like,
Speaker 1: you have to stay after the credits. You have to
Speaker 1: stay after their credits. What is after the credits? No,
Speaker 1: we can't say. We're not gonna tell. I haven't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what. I don't think so I don't think
Speaker 1: I saw. It's just the very end of the crowd.
Speaker 1: And it's it's a it's an audience, it's an audio.
Speaker 1: It's not like a cut scene. But yeah, you'll just
Speaker 1: have to stay. And I say, what's my quotable line?
Speaker 1: Honestly there's a lot, but honestly, okay, I give me yours. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's not one of mine. I think, well, the
Speaker 1: whole mercer tone anything I think is iconic, and I
Speaker 1: do think that the sometimes number is iconic. But in
Speaker 1: terms of lines, m hmm, I haven't seen it as
Speaker 1: much as you guys, but they are there, And that's
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying, even if I can't pull
Speaker 1: it right now. It's that there are lines there that
Speaker 1: are like, Honestly, I think the fact that there's so many,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm excited to see which ones jump out
Speaker 1: at the audience. I have another one, uh, Nick Adams.
Speaker 1: Nick has so many. That's that's why it's so weird
Speaker 1: and kind of like, I didn't say that. You said that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't say that. You said that.
Speaker 1: That's really irresponsible of you to say. I actually love
Speaker 1: that he's of a different culture. The words of a
Speaker 1: different culture. That's one. Yeah, I love that really funny. Also,
Speaker 1: just like Tomasky, I'm like, bitch, who is this? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know just things. The sunset is also yes yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes yes again everyone come back in this film. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for everyone to see it. I really
Speaker 1: really am. Can we talk about the cast for a second,
Speaker 1: because I think that something that is so great about
Speaker 1: it is like I mean I think that Boe and
Speaker 1: Joel and I obviously have like a years and years
Speaker 1: long friendship, but it really did feel like when we
Speaker 1: got to set and Bone and I had met Margaret,
Speaker 1: Joels met Margaret before, but um, when we got to set,
Speaker 1: like it really especially at that first table read, I
Speaker 1: really feel like a maybe everyone was really excited to
Speaker 1: be a part of it, and so it was bringing
Speaker 1: a good energy. But be like immediately like we all
Speaker 1: wanted to really hang out with each other, and like
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could talk about like just like
Speaker 1: watching that happen and like how what what the casting
Speaker 1: process was? Like? I mean I remember, uh, like you
Speaker 1: were the first person I think cast. Yeah, I was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were the first because we were attached even before
Speaker 1: I did audition twice. And I remember like Joel was
Speaker 1: like this is for man, you know, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it. And then I watched the tape and
Speaker 1: I was like no, perfect like perfect because and I
Speaker 1: really mean this, like I've said it before, like gay
Speaker 1: genlem alone, you know, like that's like the perfect lydia
Speaker 1: you know, what's funny. It was announced that I was
Speaker 1: playing Lydia, and everyone online was like, oh, of course
Speaker 1: he's Lydia, to the point where I felt a little
Speaker 1: drive that was like okay, girls like relax, like the
Speaker 1: thirsty mess like and a review just I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's how that's inter staying, which is fine. Um, but
Speaker 1: I think it takes like there's uh, you have to
Speaker 1: have so much fun with her, you know, with that character, uh,
Speaker 1: and then she has to get into trouble, you know,
Speaker 1: Like and I think that like I trusted you with that,
Speaker 1: you know, um, and then uh with Keegan, you know,
Speaker 1: we wanted to find like someone who could stand up
Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, exactly, and that's really hard. It's super hard,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think a lot of people, a
Speaker 1: lot of very like cool actors, yeah, fancy people like
Speaker 1: we just we just didn't feel like we couldn't find
Speaker 1: that person. And then Thomas, like Joel said, like like
Speaker 1: Thomas's audition like makes me laugh so hard. And I
Speaker 1: met Thomas on Zoom. They were hilarious and and actually
Speaker 1: I kind of loved that, um, Like I think maybe
Speaker 1: because Thomas went to the Fame High School, le Guardia,
Speaker 1: like they're so well trained to you know, just like technically,
Speaker 1: like I gave a note like such amazing you know, uh,
Speaker 1: such an amazing adjustments, Like like Thomas was so good
Speaker 1: and then I think for me just was so much
Speaker 1: fun to hang out with. You know, the energy truly
Speaker 1: changed the way we spoke. It was like living in
Speaker 1: an episode of Legendary Yeah, like that vibe. Honestly, like
Speaker 1: maybe number one thing I'll obviously being with my sisters,
Speaker 1: but number two is like Thomas, Like for me, just
Speaker 1: like and meeting and knowing I was nervous about it
Speaker 1: because I knew that this person had to sort of
Speaker 1: be like another half of my body. And meeting Thomas
Speaker 1: immediately falling in love and we had the best time.
Speaker 1: And I mean I think we all had that, but
Speaker 1: like to have like I mean, I know what it's
Speaker 1: like to have a real sister, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and so like to have that actually feel like very natural.
Speaker 1: And I remember you saying like, you guys should pretty
Speaker 1: be pretty amorphous from the beginning, like literally physically on
Speaker 1: top of each other. Thought the entire thing, And like, honestly,
Speaker 1: in the film, you did an amazing job with that
Speaker 1: because literally we are physically entangled for most of it,
Speaker 1: but it didn't feel like I had to act that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Thomas is brilliant. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think Joel and I both saw very quickly like how
Speaker 1: you two would get along, you know, um, and then Torrian.
Speaker 1: I mean it's so funny like, uh, Joel, you had
Speaker 1: worked with tor and yeah, and I just like I
Speaker 1: remember seeing his tape being like, holy crap, like this
Speaker 1: is so good and and well also and didn't have
Speaker 1: an agent or anything we had. I think they've reached
Speaker 1: out to him on Instagram because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: what about this guy? And then they like couldn't Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it really worked out. And I just there was
Speaker 1: something about Torrean's read. I wonder actually if it's because
Speaker 1: he works in casting too, that like like every joke
Speaker 1: just like he landed every joke. Yeah I didn't. I
Speaker 1: just spent the screening to the the l A when
Speaker 1: that we were all at every single joke of his. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they all land huge hard fireworks. It's so funny. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I remember because I think he had auditioned for
Speaker 1: Keegan as well, and his Keegan is so different than
Speaker 1: his mat was also amazing, you know, Like, but it
Speaker 1: was just this thing where I I a zoomed with
Speaker 1: him and um, I was talking to him and at
Speaker 1: one point we I found out that he plays the cello,
Speaker 1: and we're like, should Max like bring his cello to
Speaker 1: the island. And it's just this like other thing that's
Speaker 1: like so merry about him, Mary Bennett, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: but like I I think I saw in that zoom
Speaker 1: like just someone who has such a good heart and
Speaker 1: was so inspired by the story and like knew the
Speaker 1: meaningfulness of this film. Like I was like, oh, like
Speaker 1: we are all going to come together with this like
Speaker 1: shared purpose and like get along like so beautifully, you know.
Speaker 1: And then Margaret well, and I'll say this too about
Speaker 1: Thomas and Torreon. Kitty and Mary are the most underwritten
Speaker 1: characters in Pride and Prejudice. They are the most periphery
Speaker 1: of the sisters. And I don't think that either of
Speaker 1: those parts would work in the movie. I mean, because
Speaker 1: everyone gets a moment in the movie at least um,
Speaker 1: but they bring so much of themselves to it that
Speaker 1: it's there all. They fill in so many of the
Speaker 1: blank spaces, I think, and just like there wasn't real
Speaker 1: estate to service everybody on the same level because it's
Speaker 1: it's a large ensemble movie. But like, they bring so
Speaker 1: much like specificity and individuality to those roles that like
Speaker 1: fill in the gaps in my writing. And I think
Speaker 1: like would not work. It would the movie wouldn't work
Speaker 1: without the two of them specifically in those parts. I agree.
Speaker 1: I know, I love her so much. She's so good.
Speaker 1: She's so good, she's so funny, and she uh like
Speaker 1: it was just the sweetest human being. She's a great vibe. Yeah, really,
Speaker 1: I mean, like and the dog Lucia well and originally
Speaker 1: written to be an older gay man Casta cast an
Speaker 1: iconic older gay man in the role who had to
Speaker 1: unfortunately drop because of other engagements. And literally the day
Speaker 1: he dropped, Margaret Show reached out and was like, I
Speaker 1: want to be in the movie, and I was. I
Speaker 1: barely had to rewrite it from an older gay man
Speaker 1: to Mark. Yeah, I barely had to touch it. Although
Speaker 1: but although like her being this lesbian who was from
Speaker 1: Trade Grove, like is so perfect, and also it solved
Speaker 1: a problem I didn't even know. I can't imagine it
Speaker 1: without her. But then then you know, like there if
Speaker 1: you know, readers who haven't seen it, like there's a
Speaker 1: scene please come back and listen to this after you've
Speaker 1: seen the movie. Um where she just you know she
Speaker 1: she has a great moment where um that is all
Speaker 1: informed by like that characterization that only she could have done.
Speaker 1: So so cool, And then you had I think we
Speaker 1: all had a really nice individual moment with her where
Speaker 1: we're like, God, this is someone we've no I think
Speaker 1: every gay person on set at one point pulled her
Speaker 1: aside and told her how much she meant to them. Well,
Speaker 1: I had already done so b B G. Background is Bowen,
Speaker 1: And I got her on the podcast like years ago,
Speaker 1: and this is when the baby podcast just like a
Speaker 1: baby podcast, and she was I think of the biggest
Speaker 1: person that we had booked, and like I had been
Speaker 1: on I had told you for years that she was
Speaker 1: like a hero of mine, like like like closing my door,
Speaker 1: putting my earphones and listening to her albums, like her
Speaker 1: telling me what my sense of humor was like from
Speaker 1: from from the computer, you know what I mean, or whatever.
Speaker 1: She was, So we were so I was so panicked
Speaker 1: to meet her back when we had her on the
Speaker 1: podcast that I was like rearranging the chairs of the
Speaker 1: furniture in the room we were waiting. I was so interested, nervous,
Speaker 1: and I think we did a bad episode with her
Speaker 1: because we were so nervous. And then meeting her to
Speaker 1: do the film, I was anxious. And I remember we
Speaker 1: were sitting at the dock on the dock on her
Speaker 1: last day of filming, and we're just sitting there like
Speaker 1: it's like a quiet moment, and she turned to me
Speaker 1: and she said, I just want to say, this was
Speaker 1: a really great experience doing this. Do you really make
Speaker 1: me laugh? And I literally turned to her and I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, I don't think I can
Speaker 1: express the words right now because I cry. But she's
Speaker 1: so meaningful. I think so much more than she knows.
Speaker 1: And I remember when she was on the podcast years ago,
Speaker 1: like I told I asked her like do people tell
Speaker 1: you that? Like do you get that? Like I think
Speaker 1: she does definitely, Yeah, definitely, I think she gets that.
Speaker 1: And then she she pivots it right and she like,
Speaker 1: how do I how do I foster this like next generation?
Speaker 1: You know? Like she she doesn't waste the platform, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think that that's what makes her so special.
Speaker 1: She's seen it all and she is this like she
Speaker 1: is herself an icon, but she's also this generational bridge
Speaker 1: between like a Joan Rivers and like, you know like
Speaker 1: us or let's say, you know, like not that we're
Speaker 1: like that whole spectrum or whatever, but it's like she
Speaker 1: is this person who like has had to interface like
Speaker 1: in so many ways and so many different capacities like actor,
Speaker 1: stand up, comedian, you know, reality show like like like
Speaker 1: talk show, host, like like all these different like she
Speaker 1: has like what a what a career? Like, Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: not many people like her. And then I think like
Speaker 1: in terms of like the more nefarious characters are like
Speaker 1: the like the like I think we all had been
Speaker 1: a fan of Nick Adams, Nick Adams and the brief
Speaker 1: with Nick Adams was so hot and scary. Yeah um
Speaker 1: and nailed it, check check um, saying I think was
Speaker 1: the second person to audition for that part, and we
Speaker 1: wanted him for a long time. We love seeing yeah,
Speaker 1: and just the sweetest guy couldn't definitely the the most
Speaker 1: Nick and him are the most opposite. So I remember
Speaker 1: like Nick would come out of his trailer. Nick would
Speaker 1: come out of his trailer in the clothes and like
Speaker 1: the sheen, and like just the way he looked was
Speaker 1: so it was violently it was violently hot. It was
Speaker 1: like Kendall hot, like walking Kendall and I never he
Speaker 1: would come out of Australia and we would all just laugh,
Speaker 1: like and we would just laugh at how hot he was,
Speaker 1: and he would just roll his eyes and yeah, joke
Speaker 1: that he's so freaking funny and good and a sweetheart,
Speaker 1: and it was. It was so funny. We made Nick
Speaker 1: Adams so shiny, so shiny, you really leaned into it.
Speaker 1: I forgot a birthday, you know. And he's wearing that
Speaker 1: red hat hat, right, it's like a designer red hat.
Speaker 1: I think he's head to toe. Every every outfit is
Speaker 1: head to toe, mostly allocated to I would imagine a
Speaker 1: huge part of it. I remember like we were talking
Speaker 1: about I remember when we were casting Decks. You were like,
Speaker 1: it's going to be maybe this person that we know
Speaker 1: and then this other guy named Zane. And I was like,
Speaker 1: for super supernxious about it because knew we would have
Speaker 1: to do like a sex scene in the movie. And
Speaker 1: I was like, that's the person that we know, Like
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with that. And he was like yeah, but
Speaker 1: you haven't seen Zane. And I remember you sent me
Speaker 1: Zane's audition tape and I was like, oh uh yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it should be maybe should be the same character brutal.
Speaker 1: I think it's he he like so good, knew how
Speaker 1: to like draw someone in like books. And I literally
Speaker 1: on his first day of shooting, I said to him
Speaker 1: in that store, I said, you should and will be
Speaker 1: honestly w show in three months. I'm a fucking which
Speaker 1: because it happened, Um and the like. Shout out to
Speaker 1: the Legacies fans if you're listening, you terrify me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those those girls in their vampires don't get in the
Speaker 1: way like they they're really into it. Any any fan
Speaker 1: cam community, I'm like you all, you all are powerful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would never speak a word it against the fan.
Speaker 1: Can't community? Have any fan done? And then shout out
Speaker 1: to Aidan Warner and Mikey Grispha, who were both lovely
Speaker 1: and Michael Grospha really got the comedy of that part.
Speaker 1: And it is like a very small part, but he
Speaker 1: is so funny and and honestly one of them, Like
Speaker 1: every time I watched the movie, like James impresses me
Speaker 1: more and more like he's so guileless and so like
Speaker 1: he's such a puppy dog, like he really like kind
Speaker 1: of yeah in a way that like I was reading
Speaker 1: a review that like lightly commented of the fact that
Speaker 1: like he performs the guilelessness in a way that makes
Speaker 1: it believable that like Howie and Charlie end up together
Speaker 1: in the end, they're both so kind of pure and
Speaker 1: and they're coming at it from like two sides of
Speaker 1: purity that like you it makes sense that and you're
Speaker 1: rooting for them hopefully like by the end, and that
Speaker 1: like it it works the scenes of their innocence drawing
Speaker 1: them into which of like the puzzle. Yeah, like that
Speaker 1: all works because like you believe the puppy you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's it's and it is like
Speaker 1: every time there's a cut to them by themselves, I'm
Speaker 1: laughing because like it's so innocent and sweet and then
Speaker 1: it culminates in that beautiful way, and that's really starts
Speaker 1: the water works for me at the end of the movie.
Speaker 1: And then Conrad, who I I remember, like there were
Speaker 1: I did not write this part to be an Asian man,
Speaker 1: and there were things about the original script that did
Speaker 1: not work if if I cast my Lovenges as an
Speaker 1: Asian man um and because originally um the actor we
Speaker 1: cast at Quimby was African American, and so it was
Speaker 1: like I rewrote it for that. And then when we
Speaker 1: saw Conrad ste I was like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: this will work. I'd have to rewrite the script. And
Speaker 1: I was feeling very lazy. Uh. And then Conrad came
Speaker 1: in and did the chemistry read and I remember steps
Speaker 1: out the door. I was like, I will rewrite the
Speaker 1: script for this man. I never get texted me and
Speaker 1: you were like that could not have gone better. I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, that's so exciting. Is what did you say?
Speaker 1: Like he was the only one to like I went
Speaker 1: up on my lines and I wrote the thing. It was.
Speaker 1: It was so obvious in the room, you know, and
Speaker 1: like like the like when Connard pulled you up like
Speaker 1: you were caught off guard, and I love that moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it ended up in the movie. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: such a it's it was such a eye opening moment.
Speaker 1: And and Conrad is also just like so uh like
Speaker 1: wonderfully charming, you know. Uh, but he was able to
Speaker 1: like give you that Darcy snootiness at the beginning, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think that that transformation of how the audience
Speaker 1: like sees that character, like very few actors can pull
Speaker 1: that off. I've said it impressed before, but it is
Speaker 1: an indictment of Hollywood that this is the first time
Speaker 1: Conrad mckamore is playing a romantic lead in a project
Speaker 1: because he is so good at it. Um and I
Speaker 1: think it's not the last. There was Bone. Do you
Speaker 1: remember we were It was when we were shooting. I
Speaker 1: think we were shooting in Sam's Point and we were
Speaker 1: like messing around at the trailer and the car pulled,
Speaker 1: the van pulls up, and Conrad came out and he
Speaker 1: was like backlit by the sun and shirtless and came
Speaker 1: out of the came out of the van, and we
Speaker 1: literally were going We were like it was like that
Speaker 1: scene in the movie where it's like the soundtrack was
Speaker 1: like weird, like that type of thing. We were just
Speaker 1: like we were just like we were a god. And
Speaker 1: he was like, what's up, guys, And we were like
Speaker 1: just watching you fucking absolutely destroy our life. Wow. And
Speaker 1: Bow and Yang is you are so iconic in the movie. Baby,
Speaker 1: You're so good and I'm so proud of you in
Speaker 1: the Spirit Award to the egit, the friends. How are
Speaker 1: you feeling about all of it? I'm so I just
Speaker 1: I feel like the way that Matt feels like, I'm
Speaker 1: just so grateful to be a part of it. And
Speaker 1: I all I can all I can really think is
Speaker 1: like reverence for joel In Andrew, Like it's just I
Speaker 1: can't believe you guys, like not only stick the landing,
Speaker 1: but just like I don't know, like stick the landing
Speaker 1: and then immediately build something foundational that like goes up
Speaker 1: back up, you know, does this does this like metaphor
Speaker 1: make sense? Fuck you? Um, I don't know, just just
Speaker 1: just I'm I'm I'm so I'm I'm so lucky, so lucky.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget shooting it on the island. That to me,
Speaker 1: like while we shot from most of it like off
Speaker 1: the island, but those two weeks like really dominate the
Speaker 1: process from me in terms of like I can't believe
Speaker 1: we all lived in that house. It was sometimes I
Speaker 1: think there should be a movie about the making of
Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, like a documentary crew should have filmed us.
Speaker 1: There is and it was called Instagram Stories, and everyone
Speaker 1: saw it. Everyone watch. I want to I want to
Speaker 1: super cut. That's what I want. I want a super
Speaker 1: cut of us Lord great music video actress Lord Lord's
Speaker 1: reference in the movie when Ye said Lord could never
Speaker 1: we're giving we're giving it all away. No, it's okay.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of spoilers in this podcast. I think
Speaker 1: you need to believe it all out. Okay, No, we don't,
Speaker 1: and you don't tell us what to believe. It's time
Speaker 1: for I don't think so, honey. Now, I know Andrew
Speaker 1: is so excited before we get into it. What do
Speaker 1: you think of Tellor Swift? Why? Why? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just I think I missed the Taylor Swift boat a little.
Speaker 1: I think I'm like just that little bit older. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I mean I know her songs. Patti Lapo loves her.
Speaker 1: Are you different than Patty? Different Patty? Okay, say, what's
Speaker 1: your favorite song? Um? Ever, what's the name name a
Speaker 1: song that doesn't have your Taylor Swift um song? Do
Speaker 1: you like? What's the one with the music video where
Speaker 1: it's with Clint Eastwood? Song wild Dreams? That is the
Speaker 1: favorite of this pod. Wow, the streams, it's so dreamy,
Speaker 1: I'm so beautiful and lovely but problematic, right, No, come
Speaker 1: on the music video that she's doing it in Africa. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the music videos. Whatever, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: love that song for the music, but I love that
Speaker 1: song for the song. I don't like any of it. Well,
Speaker 1: you like will This Street? I don't. I like out
Speaker 1: of the Woods. That's what does that mean? You can't
Speaker 1: like while the Streets? Exactly? The best time in that
Speaker 1: album is I Wish You Would be the most arena
Speaker 1: rock eighties, which is the promise of the album is
Speaker 1: that she's giving you eighties pop. But the most eighties
Speaker 1: sounding songs are out of the Woods and I Wish
Speaker 1: You Would. That's it, that's true. The best song, the
Speaker 1: best song on the album is Welcome to Hey, if
Speaker 1: waiting you welcome to Loocome to New York. Now, it's
Speaker 1: type I don't think so, honey. This is where we
Speaker 1: take one minute to rail against something in culture. Man,
Speaker 1: I think you have something that we've already alluded to.
Speaker 1: But I can't believe that just means sisterhood. Sister are you?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it? So this is Matt Rodgers. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. As time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Lack of bloopers and stigma around blooper culture.
Speaker 1: One of the funniest things you could do is break
Speaker 1: It's so funny every time. That's why Jimmy Fallon was
Speaker 1: the best SNL cast number of all time. He's so
Speaker 1: famous for it. And a blooper culture should be in
Speaker 1: every comedy film. And I'm ashamed of this film that
Speaker 1: I'm in, Fire Island starring Joe Kim and Bowing because
Speaker 1: there's no bloopers and I know we can scrounge together
Speaker 1: some bloopers. You're telling me that I didn't do a
Speaker 1: good enough job. You're saying I didn't do a good
Speaker 1: enough job, that there's no bloopers. Don't an a that
Speaker 1: this is not your I don't think so, honey, it's mine.
Speaker 1: And I feel that there should be more bloopers. And
Speaker 1: how come at the end of every comedy film I
Speaker 1: have to see not bloopers And I sat through even
Speaker 1: Marvel said, you're telling me that there are those costumes
Speaker 1: and they're not laughing. Sometimes you're telling me that sometimes
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Wilson just go up on the line and say,
Speaker 1: oh shoot, and everyone laughs on set. It'd be so
Speaker 1: funny to see more bloopers now for film. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. And that's one minute. I think. I
Speaker 1: think the fact that all cinema is mc you now
Speaker 1: is maybe the reason why you're telling you. And there
Speaker 1: are Marvel bloopers though the Door or something like the
Speaker 1: on the funny ones. They do not do bloopers in
Speaker 1: their credit they do, but one. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's okay, I will say. I will say that there
Speaker 1: was a request to create a blooper reel and I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened to it. Well, who requested it?
Speaker 1: It was Searchlight requested it, and and our assistant editor,
Speaker 1: Matthew Buckley, he like, I was gonna put it together
Speaker 1: and I don't know what happened. Well, we follow up.
Speaker 1: We gotta follow up. That's the thing you have to do.
Speaker 1: Follow up. Give us the give us the bloopers. Why
Speaker 1: don't you I have I have I have two options.
Speaker 1: I told you mine earlier today, Matt It has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the movie. When has something to do
Speaker 1: with the movie, I'll do the one. We're all here,
Speaker 1: this is what we're never gonna do. This is a
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime opportunity. This is a once in
Speaker 1: a lifetime podcast event. Taylor Swift episode of This is Bonang.
Speaker 1: Think so honey, this time starts now. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. People saying, oh, if I see the Fire
Speaker 1: Island trailer on, you know, in my fucking algorithm again,
Speaker 1: I'll kill myself or whatever the fuck. Stop being gay online?
Speaker 1: Then it's your algorithm. Don't blame the movie, blame your algorithm.
Speaker 1: Stop typing in Andrew Christian Jockstrap on Google. Stop typing
Speaker 1: in Caroline poet check Carle ray Jepson mash up on SoundCloud.
Speaker 1: It's your for being a faggot so that you can
Speaker 1: get served up this trailer. It's almost gonna be out.
Speaker 1: It's gonna end soon. This is just temporary, I promise you.
Speaker 1: And look, I'm not actually telling to be less guy
Speaker 1: on the internet. I'm just saying, like, it's fine. We
Speaker 1: all get personalized ads that like our attacks. All ads
Speaker 1: are attacks in this personalized world that we're in. I'm
Speaker 1: getting like shapewear ads, which I'm actually okay with because
Speaker 1: my stylist has has gotten me onto them and they
Speaker 1: actually are and they don't. They don't have to be gendered.
Speaker 1: Are we doing here? They don't. I don't think so
Speaker 1: many people. Stop showing me the trailer. Just watch the
Speaker 1: movie and that's one minute. It's just it's it's a
Speaker 1: problem with the culture and not the film exactly. And
Speaker 1: that's with all concerns and the film. It's a problem
Speaker 1: with the culture. But there are critics of the film
Speaker 1: who are like who are critic who who are critiquing
Speaker 1: the film based on things that are about the culture
Speaker 1: and not the movie literally, like the drugs and that
Speaker 1: that that actually sucks. Keep it in the therapy session, Mom, mom, Mama, house. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: stop googling Caroline Politech, Carlay Japson, Nash. If you don't
Speaker 1: want to watch the Fire Island trailer, then listen to
Speaker 1: Caroline Polittuck on Spotify only where they don't follow you.
Speaker 1: And then that's your cookies off. Turn off the cookies
Speaker 1: now said, can I see my uh my favorite thing
Speaker 1: about your I don't think so, honey from a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago with Michelle Yo the Coco Lee not winning
Speaker 1: the Oscar for a Love before time. Uh so no, no, no,
Speaker 1: so I have a fun story about that. So I
Speaker 1: worked with James Schamus on Driveways um, and he was
Speaker 1: a producer on Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and he co
Speaker 1: wrote a Love before Time um and uh. And I
Speaker 1: told James, I was like, I love that song, like
Speaker 1: I love that song and he told me that before
Speaker 1: the Oscars he was waiting in the green room with
Speaker 1: Angle and then the show yeah and uh and uh.
Speaker 1: James was like, God, like, what if what if I
Speaker 1: win for for a song? Wouldn't that be hilarious? And
Speaker 1: ang was like, I didn't vote for you, Dylan. I
Speaker 1: think he voted for Bob Dylan. That's so I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey flop. So that helps us if you
Speaker 1: say that Angry is a flop on this podcast today,
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying loving. We've all been saying wedding, banquet, winning,
Speaker 1: bank winning banquet, suppressed cycle. I'll say it, hulk flop
Speaker 1: Flop was misusing. Jennifer Connelly is she misused. I saw
Speaker 1: top Gun and she I saw top Gunnaverick the other
Speaker 1: day and she definitely has like highlights in it and
Speaker 1: sort of a slang my hair party about top gun Naverick.
Speaker 1: Is she She's like a sailor and then she sails
Speaker 1: a boat and then they got off and her hair
Speaker 1: is perfect. She's like, all right, come on, like Jennifer Connleys,
Speaker 1: she gave more than I thought she was going to
Speaker 1: give her Do you think so? I love her? Love
Speaker 1: Jennifer beautiful mind? Is beautiful mind? God so gorgeous? In
Speaker 1: that movie? Uh? What is it? Uh? The Kate Winslet
Speaker 1: film Little Children. She's in the m c U. She is,
Speaker 1: but not in Hulk. No wait, wait, who is? She
Speaker 1: plays the new voice of Captain America's excuse me, Iron
Speaker 1: Man ai and which is funny because Paul Bettany was
Speaker 1: the original voice of the day I and is married
Speaker 1: to Jennifer who they're married, Queen, didn't bet you didn't
Speaker 1: know that? I bet you goes back to the depth
Speaker 1: heard trial, Paul Betts. God, we haven't even sorry. I
Speaker 1: didn't even mean to bring it. Okay. Next up we
Speaker 1: have Andrew on Andrew on this is I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Are you ready? H I think so? Yeah, Andrews, I
Speaker 1: don't think so many As time starts now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. The meme format tell me blah blah
Speaker 1: blah without telling me black. You know what that is?
Speaker 1: You know what that is. That's just show me, that's
Speaker 1: just show just they show me that your boyfriend is
Speaker 1: never going to leave you, or like show me that
Speaker 1: your cat is clingy? Right Like, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: take a writing class. I don't. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Read a writing book The Elements of Style by Drunk
Speaker 1: and White. I don't just drop elements of style. You
Speaker 1: know who the white is. That is PB White, the
Speaker 1: writer of Charlotte's Web. He knows how to write a
Speaker 1: good book. I don't think so, honey. Could you imagine
Speaker 1: if Charlotte had to weave out, uh tell me you're
Speaker 1: some pig with she would be dead. She would be
Speaker 1: dead the Wilbur Wilburt like in the Slaughterhouse, totally dead
Speaker 1: side of Bacon. I don't think, so, honey. Tell me
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, use let words. And that's
Speaker 1: when minute I think. Didn't Charlotte die? She didn't. She
Speaker 1: passed away, passed away. That's actually one of the saddest
Speaker 1: animal deaths. A spider now less. Yeah, I rack and death.
Speaker 1: Who knew we could connect to someone? So? And that's
Speaker 1: the magic of eat White and therefore take the Gotham
Speaker 1: writer's workshop courses. Hey, where's the gay reboot of Charlotte's
Speaker 1: Web with with Templeton? So pathetic because your tongue came
Speaker 1: all the way out of your mouth. I forgot I
Speaker 1: had to do this. What what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I always forget. Yeah, I think always had something. But
Speaker 1: is an icon of the form. He's done some incredible
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, this is I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. Time starts now, I don't think so honey. Subtitles.
Speaker 1: I've been watching you. I've been watching you, and I
Speaker 1: don't like what you're bringing to the table. Subtitles. Okay,
Speaker 1: because listen, I don't want to read while I'm watching.
Speaker 1: I don't want to read while I'm watching. And I
Speaker 1: know that subtitles aren't necessarily for me, okay, but I
Speaker 1: don't like the embellishment. I don't like the editorializing that
Speaker 1: subtitles sometimes to beholden to do. When I'm watching my
Speaker 1: friend Matt Rogers on a show called I Love That
Speaker 1: for You, I do not want to see sassily laughs Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see derisive snort let me be
Speaker 1: the judge visually of what the snort is doing. I
Speaker 1: don't need your help. Subtitles, step aside, step titles, okay,
Speaker 1: because I don't like you. I don't like what you bring.
Speaker 1: If I wanted to read a book, I would read
Speaker 1: a book. Okay, that's not what I want to do.
Speaker 1: You're distracting. I'm looking at the bottom of the screen.
Speaker 1: I should be looking at the eyes of my friend
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, and I love that. For you. I do
Speaker 1: not need to know that he's gay. I can tell
Speaker 1: from his movements, and I don't think can I say
Speaker 1: something sports sassis The word sassie is inherently homophobic in
Speaker 1: such a dark way. And also the character that I
Speaker 1: play on that show is not not sassy, he's dry.
Speaker 1: Would you describe me as sassy on that show? I
Speaker 1: would say what your arms are doing? Or sassy, but
Speaker 1: not your voice. But not keeople writing the subtitles sometimes
Speaker 1: take they take liberties, and they're not okay. No, Honestly,
Speaker 1: if a straight character laughed the way I laughed on
Speaker 1: that show, it would not be called sassily laugh. I
Speaker 1: hate sassy. I hate subtitle pass on fire. Wait, look
Speaker 1: at that wait, can I say to wait, what sassy
Speaker 1: fact walks into room? That's what's gonna say, under every
Speaker 1: under every word. I can't remember what subtitle we were
Speaker 1: watching the other day, but actually the artists behind the
Speaker 1: subtitles were actually really good. Because someone said, oh, it
Speaker 1: was drag Race. Someone called the Mona called herself a
Speaker 1: thick queen and they spelled it correctly at th h
Speaker 1: I C and I was like, good job girls, good
Speaker 1: job girls. Quarrels. But it's when they describe something in
Speaker 1: brackets that's when they think well, and sometimes they're just
Speaker 1: they're just playing wrong and they don't circle back. I
Speaker 1: love to catch the mistakes, but it's a distraction from
Speaker 1: what I'm there to do because I'm not there to read.
Speaker 1: I'm there watching. You can't get the intimacy. Do you
Speaker 1: watch drag Race? Are you watching All Winners? I'm I'm
Speaker 1: watching all Let's get the people what they want to
Speaker 1: talk about it. Let's get listen nobody. I guarantee you
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to hear us blather on about our fucking movie.
Speaker 1: They wanted to hear us talk about All Winners. We
Speaker 1: said it with a two hour episode, and what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts. I mean so far, like the love has
Speaker 1: been spread right, like no one has more than one star, legendary,
Speaker 1: legendary legend stars. I love it when they're dumb, but
Speaker 1: I mean like Jinks obviously Slade, uh snatch game like
Speaker 1: amazing the ball was cool, random ass theme, but yeah,
Speaker 1: Vanna is the thing is the gag of Vanna surprising
Speaker 1: them was very funny, but as a category, it's not
Speaker 1: super interesting. It's like downs, who was it that? Like,
Speaker 1: did it Evie well? And I think they had to
Speaker 1: cut it weird because Evie just didn't do the assignment
Speaker 1: at all, and so like if I were Vana Wett,
Speaker 1: I'd be offended when Evie walked out in a gigantic
Speaker 1: red big and again and not even a gown that
Speaker 1: Vanna would ever wear on that show, like just completely
Speaker 1: disregarded it. And I have to say, Okay, I do
Speaker 1: like the non elimination format. I think if this is
Speaker 1: how this is how we get actual stars and actual
Speaker 1: talent back on the show, then by god, let's do
Speaker 1: all stars in this way, not even all winners, regular
Speaker 1: all stars so we can see the gs. We can
Speaker 1: see Asian Kim che back, you know, like We're never
Speaker 1: gonna get those people back because they have no reason
Speaker 1: to sully their their non winner, but still good you know,
Speaker 1: reputation by going home early. I don't need to see
Speaker 1: Serena Chatcha back on my screen. No, actually not an
Speaker 1: all star. And we say that with all the love
Speaker 1: and respect to know, and I'm sure she listens, but listen,
Speaker 1: it is tough. I think also in terms of all
Speaker 1: winners right now, Oh, I think that because the better
Speaker 1: tread carefully bit, No, I lost it. What was I
Speaker 1: gonna say? Oh yeah, this is the thing that I
Speaker 1: somebody else on our groups that I've noticed this and
Speaker 1: I agree, is that it sucks. Raja has been third
Speaker 1: in every episode, so Raja has solidly been in third,
Speaker 1: and then some might argue second. I actually think that
Speaker 1: she should have been in the top two for Snatch
Speaker 1: Game over Trinity. Oh my god. I thought what she
Speaker 1: did was better, funnier and more interesting than that was.
Speaker 1: The makeup work on both of her characters was insane.
Speaker 1: I think it was smarter. I think that gay Satan
Speaker 1: was not an interesting enough take. It was, It didn't
Speaker 1: it was first thought, it didn't go to the second
Speaker 1: line returns after like the what kind of gay person?
Speaker 1: You know, like give me some more specificity there than
Speaker 1: just gay, like southern gay guy, which you are, Trinity.
Speaker 1: And then also I thought Leslie Jordan was great. I
Speaker 1: think the funniest part of the entire episode was I
Speaker 1: think she I think that, I think honestly, and I
Speaker 1: get it, like Raja was excellent at the snatch game,
Speaker 1: like that was so much better than I think anyone
Speaker 1: thought was gonna be. But I just think Trinity was.
Speaker 1: There were more jokes Raja had that she was playing,
Speaker 1: and Raja looked fast. And I also thought that Madam
Speaker 1: was really good and the transformations, like she probably could
Speaker 1: have been top two on that alone, I thought, I thought.
Speaker 1: And I also thought Roger did better at the runway
Speaker 1: and but again runway on that show, it like sometimes counts,
Speaker 1: it sometimes doesn't matter. Like the reason Roger wasn't in
Speaker 1: the top for the ball was because of Olivia, which
Speaker 1: I liked that. I thought that was smart, you know,
Speaker 1: like I get I get that it was like so old,
Speaker 1: but it's perfect. It didn't read honestly, I think had
Speaker 1: had had she come out and like was sandy from
Speaker 1: the neck down, and like really, John Waters face like
Speaker 1: a no wig, like we would have gotten it because
Speaker 1: Roger could have gotten taken it all the way with
Speaker 1: the John Waters face and the cookiness of the face
Speaker 1: and like given Sandy body. But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just think that it wasn't thought out well enough and
Speaker 1: for someone that watches every single runway to not know
Speaker 1: that that mustache wasn't going to read. Shout out to
Speaker 1: my boyfriend friend of the pod, John Michael Centina. He
Speaker 1: said she should have done. And I agree Olivia and
Speaker 1: johnsho Volta, Yeah, that would have been so good. Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh that would have been that's like right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it would have been a slay and she
Speaker 1: would have won because she had the best fan of
Speaker 1: and she had the best and the best like original
Speaker 1: made dressed. Then again, and Jada, let's not take it
Speaker 1: away from Jada Jada, and so was Trinity Trinity, although
Speaker 1: Trinity gives me the impression that I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like Trinity have that design ready to go and was
Speaker 1: like gonna make that dress no matter like she's like
Speaker 1: I've got something like in my back pocket, which not
Speaker 1: to take away it's in saying that she made that
Speaker 1: in their day, like no matter how she came to
Speaker 1: the show with it. But like, and I think I
Speaker 1: think a couple of the contestants would have done well
Speaker 1: to have thought it a little bit more in an
Speaker 1: advance about what they were going to design for a
Speaker 1: Ball Challenge. But yeah, I'm just gonna say, I'm a
Speaker 1: feeling Jada is really going to blow us all away.
Speaker 1: You think so, Yeah, I underdog narrative, underdog narrative. She's so,
Speaker 1: She's always she was always impressive her season afil she
Speaker 1: only lives think to ones, I think yes, and I
Speaker 1: just I've I've really enjoyed it. It is. It's hard
Speaker 1: to it's hard to gauge with her because she does
Speaker 1: well and like obviously she did want the Ball Challenge
Speaker 1: her first season, she was in the top for that
Speaker 1: and so like design that's there, but like it's one
Speaker 1: of those things with like Simone were like she did
Speaker 1: good on a lot of she's a funny and she
Speaker 1: did good on a lot of the comedy challenges, but
Speaker 1: flopped on some of the other comedy challenges. And it's
Speaker 1: the same with Jada, where Jada is very funny, but
Speaker 1: like is like sort of flopping on some comedy challenges
Speaker 1: and not others. I don't. I don't. It's it's she's
Speaker 1: a wild card, because like I think she's amazing, she's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite winners, but like I don't know
Speaker 1: how she's going to do here. Yeah, it's I think
Speaker 1: the only person and I I'm sort of on record,
Speaker 1: I am not an Evy oddly fan, and I think
Speaker 1: she's the only person that's like not measuring up. But
Speaker 1: I will say I like Evie. I like Evie better
Speaker 1: on this season than I did on her original season
Speaker 1: because it feels like she is like not necessarily there
Speaker 1: to compete as much as she is there to have fun.
Speaker 1: I don't think Evie. I don't think Evie expects to win.
Speaker 1: I think Evie is there to do her, which I
Speaker 1: sort of like because the reason I didn't like her
Speaker 1: on season eleven, and she was so overly competitive and
Speaker 1: there was just an edge to her, like a competitive
Speaker 1: edge to her, which I was just like I think
Speaker 1: took Maybe it was the edit, but it went too far.
Speaker 1: And now it's just like to see a fun side
Speaker 1: of Evie, Like it makes me feel like less on
Speaker 1: edge watching. Well, here's the difference too. I think is
Speaker 1: that like Evie was on an extremely non competitive season,
Speaker 1: and so like the thing is is, like you can
Speaker 1: be annoyed that Evie was like calling out the competitors
Speaker 1: for not doing well, but the fact was they weren't
Speaker 1: doing well and Evie was doing well. And so like
Speaker 1: beyond Brooklyn Heights on that season, there was no competition
Speaker 1: for Evie, and like now there is, and so I
Speaker 1: think she doesn't have that like chip on her shoulder
Speaker 1: because she's not. She's competing against people who are good
Speaker 1: now and like she's like learning and there's like she
Speaker 1: she even said it in an untucked this last time,
Speaker 1: she's like glad to finally be like making friends with
Speaker 1: the girls that she's competing with, because I think she
Speaker 1: respects them and she didn't respect the girls she was
Speaker 1: competing with the last time. And I will say, Monee
Speaker 1: is doing great. I actually you feel like because because
Speaker 1: of the plunger, it's like the people that are perceived
Speaker 1: as the front runners are gonna get sucked over. And
Speaker 1: I think you because I think she has a really
Speaker 1: good shot at it unless she keeps getting blocked. And
Speaker 1: I think that it's the same with Jens. I think
Speaker 1: Jensen Shay are sort of the ones that like everyone's
Speaker 1: looking at the yeah, because they are sort of all
Speaker 1: around good, like they each have like one weakness. I
Speaker 1: think everybody. Trinity is maybe the one though, that is
Speaker 1: probably poised to do the best because she is sort
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know she's the best in all categories,
Speaker 1: but she's competent at least in most of the categories. Well,
Speaker 1: we have seen her do extremely well in comedy and fashion,
Speaker 1: whereas like with Shay, and it's never been more clear
Speaker 1: to me than this season, how fucking stunning is like
Speaker 1: in and out of drag and good at the competition,
Speaker 1: like good at the Game of Dragons, Yes, but the
Speaker 1: comedy is sometimes a little dodgy. Yeah. I think she's
Speaker 1: a very smart, serious person yea ultimately yeah, but like
Speaker 1: an incredible competitor. Unbelievable, I mean, like and hits the
Speaker 1: runway and it's just like like that that everything out
Speaker 1: that crown, like the royalty look that they had to do.
Speaker 1: The first week, I was like, this is so and
Speaker 1: you have to have such an eye and taste to
Speaker 1: put that together because it's like it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: it would go commanding. And then way she walked with
Speaker 1: Naomi campbellt in front of and you could just tell
Speaker 1: how meaningful that was. Yeah, well, we love this really
Speaker 1: quick top four for all of you. Who's who's getting
Speaker 1: the most legendary legend stars? And I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say Jenks, Trinity Shay, I hope Raja, I hope raj
Speaker 1: gets in there. I'm gonna say Jinks, Trinity, Shay and Money.
Speaker 1: That's where it's headed because because again for the well
Speaker 1: rounded thing, because Money really figured out the fashion. Sometimes
Speaker 1: she comes out and doesn't look right, like her van
Speaker 1: a white was not right, but but like there's times
Speaker 1: when Money hits the I think they were all genuinely
Speaker 1: except for Raja and maybe Jada and Trinity. I think
Speaker 1: they were all a little bored with that and we're like,
Speaker 1: we don't want to do this because I do think
Speaker 1: looked great. It was just not the category and like
Speaker 1: it's kind of rude to have Vana stand there, and
Speaker 1: then they were like, oh funk, I'm not completely because
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do this. Each was giving Junior
Speaker 1: problem in a way that was by the way they
Speaker 1: uploaded the clip. The just the van a white portion
Speaker 1: of the runway and the title of the video is
Speaker 1: van A White Scares drag Race, and it's like, that's
Speaker 1: not what she was doing. It's surprised surprises if it
Speaker 1: really was a cut to like fucking like Raja being
Speaker 1: like that was it was so scared. When I saw
Speaker 1: Vana's reaction was like super they all were. They all
Speaker 1: were very funny. Yeah, except I'm actually not entirely sure
Speaker 1: that Evie recognized Vana White four van A White right right,
Speaker 1: which is like, oh, some some chic lady. And I
Speaker 1: think I feel like the Vivian didn't recognize me. But
Speaker 1: that's just a cultural I mean, Vivian is doing good.
Speaker 1: Yeah my Shay Jinks Trinity. I think Mona is gonna
Speaker 1: make it. Yeah, where are the same? I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it's funny. People keep talking about how Monai is playing
Speaker 1: the social game very well, and I don't actually know
Speaker 1: that how much she keeps saying it's gay Survivor. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: that was all Stars like four or five sex, Like
Speaker 1: this is not how Survivors. It's just so funny that
Speaker 1: like these alliances are happening and there's and then everybody
Speaker 1: keeps like being like, are you in an alliance, like
Speaker 1: they keep eaves driving someone who actually like Love Survivor.
Speaker 1: I love these queens who have a baseline understanding of
Speaker 1: the show, like girl, we need to do it a lot,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, what does that mean? Don't for
Speaker 1: each other? And I love and Shay completely, like just
Speaker 1: with like a couple interrogating it just a little bit,
Speaker 1: it like falls apart, like so you don't want us
Speaker 1: to vote for you, and you're saying this now that
Speaker 1: you already have a start and money is like maybe
Speaker 1: maybe that's what it is. Minor Jinks, Jay Trinity, And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Jada because here's the I don't think
Speaker 1: they will block Jada, like I think that the pattern
Speaker 1: has been blocked the person who won the week before.
Speaker 1: I do not think next week, whoever wins, is going
Speaker 1: to block Jada interesting and I think that that will
Speaker 1: give her an opportunity to bake it back up and surprise,
Speaker 1: because again she's a little unpredictable. I think she is
Speaker 1: considered maybe one of the underdogs of the season, and
Speaker 1: I think that like no one whoever next week, it's
Speaker 1: it's a comedy challenge, so it's probably gonna be Trinity,
Speaker 1: Jinks money, and I don't think any of them are
Speaker 1: gonna block, but the trailer made it seem that they
Speaker 1: all did really well. True, So okay, the only reason
Speaker 1: I hope for Raja is that well for obvious reasons,
Speaker 1: but I think the show it's in the interest of
Speaker 1: the show maybe to have Raja in the last the
Speaker 1: top four, because it's like I think, I think it's
Speaker 1: so cool that Jenks is being introduced to like this
Speaker 1: new audience. In a way, I feel like it's there's
Speaker 1: something cool for them to have an old quote unquote winner.
Speaker 1: Well here's the thing though, I wonder though, because it's
Speaker 1: a lip sync SmackDown at the end, there's always the
Speaker 1: calculus of like who's gonna put on the best show?
Speaker 1: You know? And I wonder, I do wonder, like if
Speaker 1: they're gonna consider that because I wonder what the thing
Speaker 1: is is Raja has adjusted to the game that it
Speaker 1: is that this show is now better than I think
Speaker 1: anyone could have expected of. It's completely different. It's a
Speaker 1: completely different show now and she's slaying it every single week,
Speaker 1: and like stuff like the first challenge for the it
Speaker 1: that was not something that they did in her season.
Speaker 1: I mean they did like the single like punk Rock
Speaker 1: Challenge or whatever that music challenge, but beyond that, they
Speaker 1: didn't do the like the verses that they have to
Speaker 1: do now and the dancing that they have to do now,
Speaker 1: and Snatch Game is very different from her first Snatch Game.
Speaker 1: The bar has been risen, Like I just think that,
Speaker 1: like she's doing so much better and even if she
Speaker 1: doesn't win, it's a it's a big win for Rajah
Speaker 1: coming back on bring Back Bbisa, Harmony Um. I want
Speaker 1: to what I want to see if it's if it's
Speaker 1: not winners and we go forward, I want to see
Speaker 1: kim Chi Asia like you said, I want to see
Speaker 1: um yeah, G G good. I want to see Brooklyn
Speaker 1: Heights got I want to see honestly, Cameron Michaels. I
Speaker 1: want to see Dieter. It's still top five one of
Speaker 1: the best things that Yeah, that lip sync is, or
Speaker 1: at least the lip sync Assasin. I can't believe she
Speaker 1: hasn't been brought as that is an assassin. Also not
Speaker 1: for nothing but Queen from last season that that made
Speaker 1: the hop for um God God Aeria Angeria. I would
Speaker 1: love to see back like I could see Angeria coming
Speaker 1: back even without the incentive and no eliminations, because I
Speaker 1: think she would do well. Yeah, and Lady Kimda won't
Speaker 1: be great. I mean the last season was strong, maybe
Speaker 1: Rose like you know what I mean, Like like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of queens from that season. Candy me us
Speaker 1: should come back, Like, but I think you are going
Speaker 1: to get more interest if you're not going to eliminate them.
Speaker 1: This looks fun this season. If I'm a former contestant,
Speaker 1: it looks fun to do and like we as an
Speaker 1: audience are having a lot of fun watching. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's better when the people competing are better and Jinks
Speaker 1: can be like I hate my dress and laugh and
Speaker 1: not be worried that was so funny and not be
Speaker 1: like I hit my dress and I'm worried that my
Speaker 1: reputation is going down in flames like the god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the only stakes for them are humiliation. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, it's cool though, I love it, love
Speaker 1: drag grace it well. Joel Andrew, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here on La School Truesas. What
Speaker 1: do you have to say to us? Um? The acting
Speaker 1: was so good. We end every episode of the song
Speaker 1: you tell me you're in love with me, I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna take a bit it from me. It's not
Speaker 1: that I don't wn to stay every time you come
Speaker 1: to say for the rest of that song, you gotta
Speaker 1: listen to the Fire Island movie. What