1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why look over there? 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, don calling let me 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: just get tacked out with my sister for a second, touching, touching, 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: live in the flesh. I just have to start out 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: with a public apology of public apology. I'm giving you 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: the floor. Thank you. The last episode, I didn't I 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: don't think so honey about the anti reflective coating on 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: my glasses not being satisfactory, and I, I guess I 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: didn't realize that I did name the business and I 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: kind of lightly dragged them and used the words I 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: felt scammed. And so I do want to apologize to 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: Studio Optics at Rocketfeller Center. I I am so sorry. 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: I truly actually experienced exceptional service from Mike, one of 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: the sales associates. Use what you did? Say? I did say, 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: Dr Clebanof, who gave me my eye exam, updating my ana, 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: Stop everything now pouring iconic name she Dr Clebanov. She 17 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: kept referring to herself as Sarah and um I was 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: talking about how she went to the Rangers game. She's 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: a big hockey fan. She's so iconic. I do think 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: I did something bad and I want to apologize to 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: everyone at Studio Optics for their exceptional service, their exceptional selection. 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: They are the only place in New York City that 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: has the full Bruto Show signor selection and catalog and 24 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: so many other amazing selections. I truly, I have not 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: ever felt more dad about anything I've ever done. Shut up? 26 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Can I say something nearly so? So? I told you 27 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: on the way here, Can you for a second touch, 28 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: I am so proud of you for the way that 29 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: you're accountable. You are such an accountable king. And this 30 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: is the key. You don't go here's an excuse. You 31 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: never do that excuse. There's no excuse. Can I say 32 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: something to every one out there who's apologizing and saying 33 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: but and saying but, this is let me give you 34 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: some background. Shut up, it's ruler culture number two. Shut up. 35 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: You just apologize to apologize. These are these are the 36 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: two words you don't say in an apology. But or 37 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: if I'm sorry, if you're done, you can't say I'm sorry. 38 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: If you say I'm sorry that I'm sorry that I 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: made you feel that way, listen, and I'm sorry if 40 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 1: I made you feel that way. You basic you did 41 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: it the right way. I know I did, thank you, 42 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: and now this is more of a This is more 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: of me showing people the right way. Well, when you 44 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: become as famous as you have become, you have to 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: start showing people more sides. And because the people they 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: think that they know you, but the fact is the 47 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: truth is there are so an amazing, accountable person and 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: that is so beautiful. Bow. I've never been more proud 49 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: of you than I am right now. And I've seen 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: the film Fire Island and which you give a startmaking 51 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: perform I've never been more proud of you right now. 52 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: And I've seen the film Fire Island in which you 53 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: give a start making don't patronize me, and I love 54 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: that for you, in which you give truly incredible grounded 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: we're holding your own against the mother of Hollywood, Jennifer Lewis. 56 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: Can I tell you what made me feel really good 57 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: inside when we oh no, do it shot up to you? 58 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: Can you can go there? And in the lobby we 59 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: saw the tractor of our helm in who's the guest 60 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: on the podcast, and he said that he's watched the 61 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: whole show. I love that for you when you tacked 62 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: over touching, and he said that he liked my performance. Well, 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: he didn't say that. First I had to ask him 64 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: if the acting was good, and he said, he laughed 65 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: and slapped me on the thigh hard with his phone, 66 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: which is made of metal, and it's made of metal 67 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: and screen. And when you take a something that's made 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: of metal and screen, hit someone with it and flat. 69 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 1: And then I turned to my other sister, took him, 70 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: who's the guest on the podcast? And he has he 71 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: has not he has, he has, but he didn't. He 72 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: didn't complement me on it. He's caught up, he's got up, 73 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: he's caught up. He just thinks I don't need it. 74 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: I guess you know what I mean. I don't need 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: to hear it from my sister. Can I say you 76 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: were giving sarahdestic of Parkard and just like that and 77 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: these last few episodes, no, I'll get better. Do you 78 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: think I was giving just like that s JP scene 79 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: partner in one of the episodes was a literal reading 80 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: light and your seeing partner in these episodes is a handbag, 81 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: and both of you like giving true complete humanity. Well 82 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: that handbag went to Carnegie Mellon what graduated with Patrick Wilson. Yeah, 83 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: they did. They did actually street car together. Patrick Wilson, 84 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: who was the handbag, Mama Blanche, Mama Blanch, mother that 85 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: mothers of Hollywood. I love this. This is how the 86 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: handbag did the line go ahead. I've always relied on 87 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: the kindness of money, you know what. I'm so excited 88 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: for our guests because are here to join us today 89 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: on This is so exciting and we've been using I've 90 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: been looking forward to that. I've really been looking forward 91 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: to this and we've been using it for a while. 92 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: But this is gonna be an episode two hours of 93 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. We're all gonna say our top ten Taylor 94 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: and in depth our guests. Yes, this is going to 95 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: be one of the most iconic episodes ever because it's 96 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: all about Taylor, and we are so thrilled to have 97 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: joining us. The director of UM checking notes Fire Island, Um, 98 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: we're in it. We're in it, funny enough, UM and 99 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: the and the writer and star and executive producer. Does 100 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: he need that throwing in there? He's making decisions on 101 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: the day. Go and move that chair there. I never 102 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: saw him to move a chair. Can I say something? 103 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: Can I be honest with you? I was there the 104 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: whole time, six weeks of shooting, never saw him save 105 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: that chair. There you were back in your dressing room. 106 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: Wasn't on your coverage and your favorite, my big dressing 107 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: room that I had, and you and your Matt is 108 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: famous for not being there when it's done, his coverage going, oh, 109 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: they're not on me. I don't, I'm not, I'm out. 110 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: Use the stands in Honey, did you say this experience 111 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: to our stand ends were like a little bit hot. 112 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm used to this on my standing on nor from 113 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: Queen's the Hottest Asian man I've ever seen and the 114 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: hottest man? Why am I saying Asian? Yeah? Examine that, 115 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: and while you do, I'll sort of say, um, the 116 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: credits SPA Night, I mean, just an incredible, incredible foray 117 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: into filmmaking, Loot, It's upcoming Psycho Sexual on Netflix. This 118 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: is an incredible standard special. I was there for the taping. 119 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: Driveways incredible film, Hung Chow, Hung Chow, one of the 120 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: most bright lights in Hollywood. So we've sort of said 121 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: there are credits like here, they're unywhere generation sun Side 122 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: documentary Sunnyside? Why are you laughing? Chaking your head? Shut up? 123 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: Two incredible people are two incredible people, two amazing people, 124 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: and we are so excited to hear all their thoughts 125 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: on Taylor Swift today. Please welcome into your ears alphabetical 126 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: Andrew On and Drew Kim boost step everything now made me? 127 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: And you know the song, you know the song being Bashful. 128 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: I know very little about Taylor Swift. This is gonna suck, 129 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: and you knew the whole time during production that we 130 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: three liked her. So there was no homework or catch up. 131 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: It was only so I had to listen to Less 132 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: Culturesa's episodes. We were talking about Fire Island while we 133 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: were shooting were never that day. I think believed that 134 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: episode was called what was that episode called? It was 135 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: called it was Talking Facts, Talking Facts because Kim came in. 136 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: It was the premier of Stelic City and we were 137 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: almost finishing up with the movie, and it was We 138 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: did that episode in Bowen's bed, in his bed, and 139 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: that was I don't know, you guys, I have so 140 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: many emotional things emotional. How are you feeling I'm feeling. 141 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: I'm I'm feeling crazy, very little strong, but yeah, okay, 142 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: walk us through. What do you mean? What's horse in me? 143 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: Disco night. What Yeah, what's it like the feeling of crazy? 144 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: The feeling of crazy is I didn't sleep? Yeah, you 145 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: got more sleep than I did. How are you? What 146 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: are you saying? I woke up at like ten am, 147 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: and I would like, okay, can you talk about it 148 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: with being crazy and in relation to the film or what. Yeah, 149 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: last night someone literally grabbed me by the arm and said, hey, 150 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: you famous, Hey you famous? And I said no and 151 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: he said, my friend says you're famous, and he said 152 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: it in that tone. Um, And then he said, congrats 153 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: in the movie. So you knew you were in a 154 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: movie insane? Um along. Yeah, there's no way we didn't 155 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: get it. No, I didn't get it. This is not 156 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: what it feels like. COVID. Yeah, I've had it. I'm 157 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: a survivor. I'm a survivor too. Are you a surv COVID? 158 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: I am? Actually I am. When did you have it? 159 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: I had it right before we had her cast screening 160 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: in New York and yeah, it was like a hundred 161 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: yards away and I had to like FaceTime be like, 162 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: I love you all, I'm so sorry. I bought Julia 163 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: cake yeah birthday, and we took it to Julius and 164 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: they cut it out and they handed it a piece 165 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: to everyone in the bar. And that's Julius and that 166 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: is New York, New York. Baby, they would never do 167 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: that at High Top when they say unique, un Noork, 168 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: when they say unique New North. He got talking. Robin 169 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: Williams has no Absolutely. By the way, you're gonna you're 170 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: gonna have to apologize to High Tops next week. Yeah 171 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: the way you you were one of those New York 172 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: fags who comes in and disparages High Tips. Well, I 173 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: have news for you. Hi Tops is a neighborhood spot. 174 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: I've said this, High Tops the best food in most Hollywood, 175 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: Can I Can I say something so? I would say 176 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: eighty nine percent of the tweets about our movie are positive. 177 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: But after the night of our l A screening, I 178 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: did see a tweet that was like Fire Island is 179 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: supposedly about like the POC working class, um, like body diverse, 180 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: like struggle within the gay community, and he chooses to 181 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: have his opening night party at High Tops. Um, how 182 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: does that? How does that make any sense? Or something 183 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: like that, dragging me for having like our party at 184 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: High Tops, And I was like, wow, I really can't win. 185 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,599 Speaker 1: It's gone to this point now where people will like 186 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: read you for the places. I mean, I don't know. 187 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: I guess that's not to remark that that's just so 188 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: boring though. Yeah, but also it's like, if that's what 189 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: they're going to say after the screening of the movie, 190 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: that's probably a really good sign because like if they 191 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: came to the movie and they were, like they had 192 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: the after party at high Tops. Supremacy, it's suprivacy, It's supreme. Yeah. Yeah, 193 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: Well it's also like this person had to be like 194 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: on your Instagram or something. I think they were maybe 195 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: even at the screening, because how they How would they 196 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: know that the movie is about the working class Poco Suggle? 197 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: How would they know that? I don't know. How did 198 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: this movie come about? How did this movie come about? 199 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: Like Island with with us? Can I just say I 200 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: think it's really funny. I had a number of people 201 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: who were like so excited that I was directing Fire Island, 202 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: but more excited that I might do an episode of 203 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: Lost Culture. I guess this is huh. So when I 204 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: asked you the question of how did this come about? 205 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: You better give a good answer. Well, Joel, you start 206 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: no I don't want to do press at all. I 207 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: was actually asking a facetious question to sort of quote 208 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: a funny. I have a question for Andrew. You literally 209 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: just finished post production in this really crazy city of 210 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: New York, and how long have you been backing? Only 211 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: like two seconds? Yeah, like a month? Basically are you 212 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: are you furious to be back here? Uh? You know, 213 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: I have to say, like when I walked here from 214 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: the hotel, like it's a hot day, but I was like, oh, 215 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: like there's something so like beautiful ab that this place, 216 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, But I can't live here. I can't live here. 217 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: It's too it's uh, I think there's too much going on, 218 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: and I get fomo and it's like I feel like 219 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: I have to like do everything every night, you know. 220 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: And that's like how I got COVID. I mean literally 221 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: last night, like I took a helicopter to Montalk party 222 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: where Quest Love DJ, and then this morning my sisters 223 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: were like, oh, we had such a fun time and 224 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: horse meat, and I was like, I wish I had gone. 225 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: It's like in New York City, it never goes away. 226 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: You can't do it all. But I will say a man, 227 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: my sister did have frozen Apperall sprits is just now 228 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: a brunch and that was pretty sweet and that just 229 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: doesn't happen in that way. Really, that's not true. Shut up, 230 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: no one talks to you yet. My l a versus 231 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: New York, my very my very good friend in in 232 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Mitch famously like woke up after he had 233 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: a crazy night out, blacked out, and he was looking 234 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: at his Instant stories and he was like, oh, that 235 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: looks like fun and he got fomo from himself, like 236 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: I didn't even know. We gotta stop at I think 237 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: Instagram is done. I heard Tricia pay To say Instagram 238 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: is over. It's all about be real now okaait wait, okay, 239 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: I need to get on it because the girls are 240 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: talking about be real, real real, and we have to 241 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: enjoy it now because the we'll ruin it somehow. But 242 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: now it's perfect where Okay, So my understanding of it is, 243 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: and please correct me, because Joe, I think, is the 244 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: only one that's on it. You're on it. It be 245 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: real is every day you get a notification at random, 246 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,599 Speaker 1: at a random time. It could be three am. You 247 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: get the notification and it says it's time to be 248 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: real okay, And so you click into the app and 249 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: you take a picture of literally wherever you are, whatever 250 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: you're doing, you take a picture, and it's and you 251 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: take it with your front facing, and then it's also 252 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: taking a picture of you taking a picture. And there's 253 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: no hiding. There's no hiding how to be you have 254 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: to give the phone to someone else. It's like no, no, no, no, 255 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: no no no no no, it's you have you are 256 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: taking it. So if I if I got the notification 257 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: right now, I've taken my phone and I would take 258 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: a picture of you three surrounded if you can get 259 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: us some frame, and then it would also be taking 260 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: a picture of me at the same time. And so 261 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: that would indicate to everyone that I was being real 262 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: in that moment, because I want it's not filtered, right, 263 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: it's not staged, and it is beautifully communal because everyone's 264 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: taking is supposed to ideally take the picture at the 265 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: same time. And then if you are late, and then 266 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: it will say like Joel was two hours late. Yeah, 267 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: so I wasn't being real. Wow, this sort of realies. 268 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: But that's that's I think that's brilliant. It really is brilliant. 269 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: Shark Tank instruct I hope someone brought this to Shark 270 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: Tank because Miss Barbara Corcorn would say, I bet Mr 271 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: Mark Human is eating his eating his own ass. Yeah. Yeah, 272 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: So I encourage everyone to be real. I want to 273 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: get on be real. But the thing is, how many so, 274 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: how many times you don't know what this is? I 275 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: have no idea. Okay, would you be real if I 276 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: told you to? Right now? I'm not even on TikTok. 277 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm not on just be real. This is the next thing. 278 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: TikTok is over. It's all about being real. It's be 279 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: real popping off though in a real way kind of 280 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: kind of. It's popular more than Elo ever did. Yeah, 281 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: certainly remember Llo that moment that week. I literally don't 282 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: remember el O. Well, we all had one. It was 283 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: my space but ugly. Yeah, it actually did like the 284 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: black and white esthetic before CO started before like other people. Yeah, 285 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: that is true. It's but you do Instagram, you know, 286 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: Andrew on Films, and Andrew Film, and Drew on Films, 287 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram. Um sure, I mean it's not like 288 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: I barely know how to use it and I'm using 289 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: it mostly just for Fire Island stuff. But like because 290 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: you're proud of the film because I'm proud of the 291 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: film because I want all of you to like Shine Shine, 292 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: I want you all to be But you're a director. 293 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about making a movie on Instagram stories? No, 294 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: would be really fun, it would be amazing. Really, I 295 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: mean what I've done at Quimby Show, I don't know. 296 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, would you not have done it if 297 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: it was still on Quimby. I didn't have the choice. 298 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: I didn't get all what you're saying now. I don't 299 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: know if I would have done a Quimby show if 300 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: you had the choice, would you do it on Quimby instead? 301 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: Because I heard he's coming back. Quimby is gonna put 302 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: me to a point. Oh, we just and I think 303 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: it's important and and Joel has been very responsible and pressed. 304 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: But the Quimpy joke in the movie, there's a quick, 305 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: little Quimpy joke. And we are all grateful for the 306 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: people at Quimby. It crushed. It's certainly not. It's only 307 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: not the creative executives that I was running with. It 308 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: was the business people who made a lot of And 309 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: we were actually talking about this yesterday. I was some 310 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: random gay guys were talking about this yesterday, if you 311 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: can believe random gay guys on the street, random talking 312 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 1: about my friends, my close friends. But um, they were 313 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: talking about how they like, they loved like your show, 314 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: and they loved like the horror show and the like 315 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: uber Stalker show and like all these like things. The 316 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: problem wasn't the content. The problem was like the business 317 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: decisions that went into making Quimby untalkable about untalkable. You 318 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: could not you couldn't airplay, you couldn't screenshot, you couldn't 319 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 1: like take videos. It was like nothing was sticky. That's 320 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: what the use case of We're going to watch this 321 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: on the subway, on you know, like on the Commune's 322 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: like no, or they want to watch it. Well, they 323 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: had a month after the pandemic hit to pivot that, 324 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: and I think, honestly maybe the technology was super sensitive 325 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: and it wasn't as simple as like let people airplay it. Well. No, 326 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,239 Speaker 1: they did, though they did, they did eventually eventually, yes, 327 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: but they missed their well. And the crazy thing is 328 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: in China right now, TikTok is trying to start five 329 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: to ten minute, ten episode season programs and I think 330 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: it's going well, going well, Like people want that over there. 331 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: And so the thing is is I actually think someone 332 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: will do Quimby again in the US. But we'll do 333 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: it better and it'll and it'll work, it'll be real. 334 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you're going to become 335 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: like big director. Yeah, you would have done it at Quimby. 336 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: You would have you would have told him, you would 337 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: have sat down together. I came with. I came with 338 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: a a pitch deck and I was not as good 339 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: as their second pitch deck. Oh there was a second moment. Yeah, yeah, 340 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: I had my the audition for Quimby and the auditioned 341 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: for Who. I love to think about you auditioning. I 342 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: love it. I was I was a child actor. You 343 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: were not. Were you really know that? I was scouted 344 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: at a wedding? Shut up? Are you dancing crazy? I 345 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: was probably dancing crazy. And I got repped by ACME Talent, 346 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I did um what. I did 347 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: a lot of books on tape because I could read 348 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: well as a child. I did um uh a little 349 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: reading for a book on tape called O. J. Simpson. 350 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: I want to tell you what was that about. I 351 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: had to read a letter written by a child to O. 352 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: J during the trial. Oh my god, what it's on 353 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: cassette tape available on Amazon. Oh my god, I wanted 354 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: to very ray J. Simpson. I want to tell you. 355 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: I have the clue it was. It was the child 356 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: you're reading for pro o J pro ja. A kid 357 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: writing to o J is gonna be a fan? And 358 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: then I don't like you. Do you think o J 359 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: did it? What is that controversial? Now? Why would you 360 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: back away from this? Is your next project with o J? Simpson? Yeah? Uh, 361 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: you're terrible to me, you know, he says, because Eric 362 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: Anderson from Rewards Watch asked them, was from a fan? 363 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: How was the acting Matt Rogers and Andrew used that 364 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: opportunity to say that I was attacking him with bits 365 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: during the show. Do you feel during the show? It's 366 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: all love. I feel the love. I feel the love. 367 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: But yes, my it was a very short lived acting career. 368 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: I hit puberty, got ugly, and then UM dropped me. 369 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: They dropped me. Don't do that. I almost don't do that. 370 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: You're being Howie right now. Don't do that, how we asked, 371 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: but I did. Um. I almost made it onto you 372 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: the show VR Troopers. Oh my god, I fucking loved 373 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: that show. What is that? I don't know one of 374 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: the many it was. It was a knockoff of Powering, 375 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: except they would go like part it was in virtual 376 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: reality and yeah it was only three of them one 377 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: one person of color, one white person and a girl. 378 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: That's not too bad for the time saying, um, but 379 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: I loved it. I think it gave me a certain 380 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: um uh like respect for actors. Because it's hard. It's 381 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: really hard. It's hard. I know you say it's sometimes hard. Yeah, 382 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: you do say that a lot. I think it's sometimes hard, 383 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: but no, the lifestyle around it is not hard, like 384 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: the way you could you sitting in a chair and 385 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: drink for that not hard, but but occasionally like it 386 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: is hard. I mean like we would all say they 387 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: were definitely hard moments and U and it was hard 388 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: to memorize the script. That's not hard hard, you know. Yeah, 389 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: the writing was the Joel Joel Jumble. The writing. Joel 390 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: wrote the script in a really cool way. It was 391 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: like non linear at like the letter level. So they 392 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: was like a fucking like pan grams thing. Yeah, you 393 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: had every day was and you only had like ten 394 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: minutes to memorize the line and then it would disappear. 395 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: It's like Marvel style, like you get it on an 396 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: iPad and then like kind of wipes off. Did I 397 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: ever tell you auditioned for Licorice pizza for for the 398 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: Ben Safty role. No, it was. It was at the 399 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: end of the movie, like the Safty's boyfriend the game 400 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: for that his script, Like what you like you had 401 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: auditioned for for that? I might have found an NDA, 402 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: but it's like far in the past now, but like 403 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: truly like one of those like a toror scripts, which 404 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: is like not a capital letter, insight, punctuation wild, like 405 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: eight commas in a row to denote like I don't 406 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: know what emotion, but like one of those things. And 407 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: then it was nominated for screenplay at the end of 408 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: the year, So like, I mean, who's to say anything 409 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: has to be not mortal? When when I auditioned for 410 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: Eternals for Gay Husband, um, the audition sides were from 411 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: Goodwill hunting for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think every 412 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: gay person, every scene, which I didn't get that, every 413 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: gay person of color. You're right, I need to know. 414 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: It was Robin Williams. No, no, no, it was, it 415 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: was the famous scene. It was between Matt Damon and 416 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: Robin Williams's Great Shepherd or whatever. Missed opportunity for a 417 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: little mini driver action. I know she's so good at 418 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: it would have been so funny if Marvel was auditioning 419 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: their first gay character and made the audition being honestly, 420 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: that would be sort of I got a little bit 421 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: of your pickle, Like, come on, such a good moment, Okay, 422 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: can we actually say something and and and say that 423 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: Joel watched a movie for the first time recently that matter. 424 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: Oh god, this was a shock. This was a shock. 425 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Joel text us the other day and goes, 426 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: I have something to say, and I go, oh, would 427 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: be anything, It could be anything. I just thought Aaron 428 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: Rockovitch for the first time, first time Aaron brock Witch 429 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: comes up like once every isn't that? I feel like 430 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: in the script, Jewel, I know you cut it though. 431 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: The best lines were cut. One of my favorite lines 432 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: I had was cut, and I'm gonna confront you both 433 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: about it right now. It was the scene where we 434 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: bring Zane over to the house and I say, you 435 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: say to Zane, it's not too late to leave, and 436 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: then I say rude, And then under my breath, I go. 437 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: And also it is too late, and I can't believe 438 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: it's cut, and I want an explanation, right, I will 439 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: say I No one had more lines cut from the 440 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: film than me. Well, you get the most lines. Trying 441 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: to be real, why was that cut? Now? Why? I 442 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: actually curious which one should I address first? Me? Now 443 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: it's my show. He's going to get so much attention 444 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: over the next couple few weeks. I need this moment. 445 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: Why did you cut my line? I think it was 446 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: it was to get to Mersa Tomay faster. Yeah. Right, 447 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: it's the thing. It's such a set piece, you know, 448 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: it's such a set piece. It's so good. Um. And 449 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: then Aaron brockovid, I think it had something to do 450 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: with um uh wanting to get to um the romance 451 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: of that scene faster. So he's always cutting things to 452 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: get somewhere else. I'm cutting. We had to leave stuff 453 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: for the DVD extra. Yeah, but okay, can I say 454 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: something and this actually, okay, maybe I should because I 455 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: told you what I don't think is gonna be Yeah, 456 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: and maybe so I shouldn't get into this challenge. But 457 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: will we see scenes from the cutting room floor? Will 458 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: we see them. I mean place but the only no, 459 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: everyone stopped. Let's stop pretending that people still buy Blu 460 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: Rays DVDs, go off to watch the only place feature 461 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: that's live now is on fucking YouTube YouTube dot com. 462 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: And it's like, it's hard to serve that up unless 463 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: it's like in people's algorithm. And that's something that I'll 464 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: get to in mind and think, so honey, but I 465 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: just think it's everyone's like, it'll be in the DVD. 466 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: It's like, stop saying that. You don't mean that. Don't 467 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: directors say this, including our illustrious director. It should have 468 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: been in the film. It should have stayed in the film. 469 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: You should have kept everything that was cut up. There's 470 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: roughly twenty minutes that was cut from the film that 471 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: I would love to see back in. Oh God, the 472 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 1: three of you are just like, yeah, you held you responsible. 473 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: I I agree, there's a lot of stuff that I 474 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: wish we're still directors cut, directors cut well released the 475 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: on cut. Yeah, what was your process? This is like 476 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: a serious question. First day of post you're seeing almost 477 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: all of it, like like like like like like how 478 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: does it work in the beginning. I'm just curious so 479 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: our brilliant editor Brian Kates, Short Bus, Fame, Private Life, 480 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: The Savages. M He's amazing, He's amazing. He uh, keep 481 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: compliment my a d R. Well we'll talk about r 482 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: king well, because I kept going, I'm doing a bad job. 483 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: And then Brian goes, it's always the ones who think 484 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: they're doing bad actually, because I leave every ad R 485 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: like I think a R is one of my great skills. 486 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: But so Brian, um uh. He wanted a few extra 487 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: days to finish his assembly of the movie, and so 488 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: I had, like I had like four or five days 489 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: to just decompress, like not think about the film, try 490 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: and like put that behind me. Um. I remember I 491 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: had like jacked office, sat around and tracked off. Yeah, 492 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: I know. I was still in New York. I had 493 00:27:54,480 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: like a fancy dinner and and I I came back 494 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: to New York like just like chilled, saw some of 495 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: Seawan's friends. Um, and then I just shown as his 496 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: boyfriend his boyfriend is he's gay gay gay lover? I 497 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: love that. At some point, like in the process of 498 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: getting to know me, Joel was like, you have to 499 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: stop talking about your boyfriends. L O L wait, your 500 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: irold you like Irold. Every time I said, like, oh, 501 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: like the guy that I was dating. This is not 502 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: about you're talking about too much about your boyfriends. It 503 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: is the fact that you have had seventeen boyfriend Have 504 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: you had a lot of boyfriends? I've had I've had four. Four. 505 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: How old are you? That's a lot. I've had four. 506 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: This has been my longest relations Once every ten years, 507 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: he's had a boyfriend. Did you have a boyfriend when 508 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: you were young? I had. I had two college boyfriends too, 509 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: and one of them broke my heart. Then I think 510 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm so much better off. But then but then guess 511 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: what he broke. He broke another boy's heart. It's just 512 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: it's a terrible. It's a cycle. It's just like anyway. 513 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: I want people to move people, people wounded people. I 514 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: watched the assembly and it was I think it was 515 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: like two hours long, and I I couldn't watch it, 516 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: Like it was really hard for me, Like I just 517 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: kept thinking about the shoot, and I kept thinking about 518 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: like I wish we got this, or like the beach 519 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: looks like it's raining and like and so I just 520 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: thought of all the problems and then it's not until 521 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: you kind of get your hands in it that you're like, oh, 522 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: like like it, it's I get it, I see it. 523 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: You kind of turn it um and I you know, 524 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: I think with every cut, I felt like, oh, like 525 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: it's turning into something that was really beautiful and um 526 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: and and something that I hope Joel is going to 527 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: be happy with. He was jo You were the first 528 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: screening for Joel. I was shaken in my boy, you 529 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: were shaking in your booties. But I remember you saying 530 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: that that first screening went over so well. Yeah, I 531 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: thought it was great. I loved that version of the movie. 532 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: I think that, like, there are definitely things that were 533 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: improved by like notes and things like that that we 534 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: got from the studio, and there are things that I 535 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: missed certainly. Well that's going to be with everything. Yeah, 536 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: but I do think that I am glad that the 537 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: movie is under an hour forty ultimately, like the the 538 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: actual movie with credits, it's longer, but like, yeah, I'm like, 539 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: not every movie needs to be two and a half hours. No, 540 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: And I actually hate when they are, Like I think 541 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: it's a great length. It never feels like I don't know, 542 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: it's it's a joy to watch from start to finish. 543 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: Although I will say watching it the first time, I 544 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: think as an actor in the movie and experience too, 545 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: and I was actually surprised that you did not have 546 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: this experience. I still have this experience. Well yes, but 547 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: like I wept after the first time I saw it, 548 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,719 Speaker 1: not in a good way. I was like I had 549 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: like a dysmorphic down. I FaceTime you and was weeping, 550 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: like and I then I watched a second time, and 551 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: you had this experience too where you first saw it 552 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: and we're like, oh my god. And then the second 553 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: time watched it, and it's like it comes together in 554 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: a way. There is like a shock of seeing yourself 555 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: play a situation that you kind of It is a 556 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 1: very meta film for all of us, and so watching 557 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: yourself do it, it's like and I think maybe it's 558 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: a thing of watching yourself on camera, to which I'm 559 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: not really very used to, to be honest. But the 560 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: second time I watched it and was able to watch 561 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: it as a movie, I was so moved and like 562 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: beyond proud to be a part of it after I 563 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: got over the shock of seeing what we had done 564 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: for the first time. So maybe that's like the same 565 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: with you. Too. It's like you watch it for the 566 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: first time and you think, oh my god, you're so 567 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: self critical, you can't get over it. And then like 568 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: you'll see it again and it starts to become more clear. 569 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: Is that correct? I think that's it's it's it's like 570 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: there's a there's a weird um like shock you just 571 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: like seeing something that you've done. And and also like 572 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: when it's not like fully polished. You know, there's something 573 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: about filmmaking, you know, it's like it's such a fantasy 574 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: and anything that takes you out of it, it makes 575 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: it difficult to like assess well. And it's also it's 576 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: like a unique sort of process. This is in the 577 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: television because when you're when I'm writing the script, I'm 578 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: seeing it as it's being created, like I you're when 579 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm when someone's painting. They're seeing it like slowly form 580 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: and be created. But like it's not like there's still 581 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: so much work. And even just like from the that 582 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: first cut to now with like the mixes, the sound 583 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: has changed every time I've seen it too, in such 584 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: a remarkable way, Like I don't even know how to explain, 585 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: Like just hearing everything is it makes it so different, 586 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: I think, But I think you're summing up like a 587 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: really a really nice and a general in a good 588 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: way creative process where like clays on the table, you're like, God, 589 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: look at this fucking clay, and then you mold it 590 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: and then and then there is that like moment where 591 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: you want to fast forward to it sooner where it's like, oh, 592 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: now it's starting to come together. There is just this 593 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: crucible you have to walk through everything, especially with writing, 594 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: especially with like anything that's generative. I don't know where 595 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: you just get You have to get over that first 596 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: phase of like, oh this this is rough, this sucks. 597 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: Not that you felt that it sucked or anything, no, no, 598 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: but there is a thing of like especially when you 599 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: are the director of the film, and it's like your 600 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: responsibility to curate it, like this is both of you too. 601 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: It's like it does like once you write it and 602 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: you start in it, it leaves you for a second 603 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: and then comes back to you in this form and 604 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: you're like wait, what, like especially like being a control 605 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: freak about like the jokes in the script and like 606 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: working on that stuff and like shooting it, getting the takes, 607 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: and then it comes back and it's like, wait, this 608 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: is a part of the process that I did not 609 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: have the skills for, and you have had all the 610 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: skills from the writing to the acting to the producing, 611 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: and then it goes away during this crucial part of 612 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: the process, which is editing, and then it comes back 613 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god. And it's like that 614 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: adjustment period it is like a little shocking. And I mean, 615 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: just I can speak for Bowen and I like we 616 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: were just actors in the film and it came back 617 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my god, Like it's it is 618 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: like a shock, especially when you realize that like ideally 619 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: and probably a lot of people are going to see it, 620 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, I just remember at 621 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: one point while we're editing, I think a bunch of 622 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: us got together here in New York and remember that 623 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: went out to and and I was telling bow and 624 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like it's like you 625 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: brought up Fire Island on the podcast, you know, and 626 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 1: Boone was like, you know, we need to stop talking 627 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: about we need to stop talking about that. And I 628 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: think the next episode, like like Matt was like I 629 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: saw the film and then and then you were like, 630 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: but we're not going to talk about it, and it 631 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: made it sound like it was bad. Well, you came 632 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: over to my house with a few of the girls. 633 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: It was like Louis Fortell, Gossake was there, are and 634 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: Nico was there, and we watched it like in a 635 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: very contained atmosphere and watched it on my television, which 636 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: always bums me out because like it's skips, like and 637 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: we were streaming from the computer and it was like 638 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: skipping a little bit, and I was just like by 639 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: the end of it, and then I remember we watched 640 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: we watched Tomas and Diana on Netflix, which is like 641 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: an ingorgeous palate cleanser, which, by the way, some of 642 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: the songs were actually really good. Were they not stopped all? 643 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: They were good? You looked away from me and the 644 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: songs and Diana were good, the Bob Slay and go 645 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: off and but but anyway, like it was like you're 646 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: watching it rough and you're like, oh my god. And 647 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: then I realized, like, never again can I watch early cuts? 648 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: Do not show them to me, Like I'd rather just 649 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: see it when it's when it's fully done, because it 650 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: drives me crazy, like especially then you see it and 651 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: then things get cut and like things get shifted around, 652 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: like and then you do kind of like feel grateful 653 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: to be just like a part of the process and 654 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: then like be able to wash our hands of it 655 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: and then get it. But I think we all did feel, 656 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: even though like we were only merely actors in the movie, 657 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: like an ownership over it, because I remember when we wrapped, 658 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: like and we were all posting our like instagrams about it. 659 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: I remember saying, like, while this is still ours, like 660 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: this feels like really really good because it does have 661 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: a special place and I think all of our hearts 662 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 1: because it is about so so much that's very real 663 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: to all of us. And it was funny because we 664 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: had gone to fire all in the month before, and 665 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: then it felt like we were back like acting out 666 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: the experience of doing it. Like definitely, I think for 667 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: all of us, like and habing like a younger version 668 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: of ourselves. And I think that the three of us 669 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: here like all played roles that were sort of like, 670 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: if not written directly for us, then like you know, 671 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: inspired in the writing a lot. Would you say, yeah, No, 672 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: I mean actually you you of the people that I 673 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: like had in mind while I was writing it. You 674 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: two are the only ones who ended up in the movie, 675 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: and so like, I think that we knew that, and 676 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: so walking away from it was very emotional, and I 677 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: wonder like how you felt like walking away from that experience. 678 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: And I also wonder like what character you relate to 679 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: the most, no no, genuinely like and I wonder like, 680 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: what was your connection to what was your connection to 681 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: the piece in that way? I mean, for for me, 682 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: the connection was always uh, the Noah Howe friendship. You know, 683 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: like I have a group of gay Asian friends who 684 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: you've met now, you know, and they're so fun and 685 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: lovely and I I didn't know they were a part 686 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: of your pitch deck to which makes uh and I 687 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: just really uh, you know, I really connected to the 688 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,959 Speaker 1: fact that here's a film that has to like queer 689 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: Asian American leads, uh, and they're super different and their 690 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: friends like that to me felt really uh like special 691 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: And it's like and as someone who's made queer Asian 692 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: American film, like you know, spawn Ny, it's a very sad, 693 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, lonely perspective. Um. And so that that was 694 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: how I, you know, came into the material. I also 695 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: love Pride and Prejudice, Like I love Pride and Prejudice 696 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: that Joe Wright. Pride and Prejudice is like my comfort 697 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: movie math Matthew, No, Colin gets like the Darcy like iconography, 698 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: but like Matthew, well, my favorite Mr. Darcy is now 699 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 1: Conrad Rick and Mora. I mean, come on, we've got 700 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: our gay Darcy. You know you guys like everyone listening 701 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: like you're gonna absolutely get your life watching him in it. 702 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: He's so fucking good. So well, remember when you and 703 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: I met for the first time, like you were like 704 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: the big draw for me and this for this project 705 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: was that it's Pride and Prejudice. It's about Jane and 706 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: Liz like that. It's it's like an opportunity to tell 707 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: that story, but you focus it on a different point. Yeah. 708 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: I think that's like the like the brilliance of Joel's 709 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: like querification of the stories that you take it away 710 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: from the romances and you focus it back onto the 711 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: chosen family. And I think that that's something that queer 712 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: audiences really understand. You know, I've been saying, and this 713 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: does sound like a total sound bite, but I've been 714 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,879 Speaker 1: saying the thing that Joel has layered on so well, 715 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: is that it's about belonging, and like, I don't think 716 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: I would say that pride and prejudice the original text 717 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: is not necessarily about that. It's about divides in a way. 718 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: But it's like, but there is this thing about people's conception. 719 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: People's notions of Fire Islands have to do with whether 720 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: or not they feel like they belong there, or if 721 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: they go with people that they feel like they belong 722 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: you know. So I feel like that's like the brilliant 723 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: thing and we're just something someone's pulled. A bunch of 724 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: people have pulled obviously from it too. Is like that 725 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: that I had not really zeroed in on either, is 726 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: about like desire and why we desire and how much 727 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: that drives an experience like this one um like for example, 728 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: and I think it's actually in every single character that's 729 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: that has a main plot in the movie, is just 730 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: like this idea of wanting and wanting to be wanted 731 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: and wanting to be desired. Like, was that in that 732 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: in your head the entire time? Oh? Yeah, I mean, 733 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 1: because I think that's like a huge part of my 734 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: journey over the last like five years of like of 735 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: being in New York and then being in l A 736 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: and then like exploring like all of the like no fats, 737 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: no fems, no Asians bullshit. That has like been sort 738 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: of in me since I downloaded Grinder in two thousand eleven, 739 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, like, and I think like it's followed you 740 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: coming yeah, yeah, yeah, and coming to terms with like 741 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: understanding that like I want to be desired and by 742 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: who and all of these things, and then working that 743 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: out over the course of the last several years. It's 744 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: like the whole reason one of the big reasons I 745 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: wanted to explore um this story through the lens of 746 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: class vs. V. Prid and prejudice. Yeah. I wasn't on 747 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: that trip where you were reading that book, but I 748 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: do remember you came back and like then you wrote 749 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: that piece for Penguin Penge that it's they're publishing Tupping 750 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: hang One Random House. Yeah, they have a website. They 751 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: had a literary blog that isn't that wasn't then defunct, 752 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: but they added just that essay back. Yeah, you can 753 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: find that the essay is really brilliant. I wish I 754 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: had read it before you had. I had it it 755 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: was because it wasn't it wasn't anywhere they took it. 756 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 1: The whole blog that it was a part of went down, 757 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: so really yeah, that's cool that they brought it back though. Yeah, 758 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: it was nice. Yeah, No, that's and that's the mapping 759 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: is just so it's so clear, you know what I mean, 760 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: Like it's just it's it's it's a home run, Jolie. 761 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: Thank you. We're very proud of you. Thank you. Are 762 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: you stick of hearing it? No? No, I just I 763 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,479 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't like it has I'm not quite 764 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: able to absorb it right now, I think, And I 765 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: think like part of it is like wanting to enjoy 766 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 1: this period where it's still like ours like you were, 767 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: like you were saying, where it's like still ours and 768 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: then you know, come Friday, when it's out in the 769 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: world has seen it, it feel like this part will 770 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: be over. And we were staying on the way over here, 771 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: like man was like the discourse will be broken open 772 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: in a way for better or for worse, like it 773 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: will be like in another set of hands. Yeah. I 774 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 1: think that's also like also, what's sort of comforting about 775 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: a process like this though, is that ultimately, like it 776 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: does not belong to you, it belongs to the people 777 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: that it's going to affect. And I think that that's 778 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: actually kind of nice, Like we think about it in 779 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: a certain way of like how it's going to be 780 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: discussed on social media and what are going to be 781 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: the things that people like decide to hammer on or 782 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: like talk about. But also it's like, Okay, I went 783 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: on YouTube and I typed I was really high one night. 784 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: It was like really late at night, and I typed 785 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: in the words fire Fire Island trailer and I saw 786 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 1: I saw someone's response video to the trailer, and it 787 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: was this person who was so sweet and doesn't have 788 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: that many followers on YouTube and was so exciting movie. 789 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: And it was just truly like him watching the trailer 790 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: and laughing and his eyes got so big, and like 791 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: he said in very few words after the trailer was open, 792 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: was was was on and he said very few words 793 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: about the movie, but he said, it just makes you 794 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 1: want to go to Fire Island and like have experience 795 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: like this. And I thought, that's really who the movie 796 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 1: is for, you know what I mean. It's for people 797 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,720 Speaker 1: who are going to like live this experience through the movie, 798 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: and it's about it's about friendship, and it's about Yes, 799 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 1: it's just like I wish it wasn't so cliche to say, 800 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: but the Chosen family and how important that is and 801 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: how it's still important even though we've all been lucky 802 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: enough to live that experience for such a long time. 803 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: I started crying, Um that that's like really it's it's 804 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: very meaningful, and it's so it makes me so proud 805 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: to be a part of an Honestly, I was so 806 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: emotional at that that second screening that I saw for 807 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: so many reasons. Yeah, well we watched it again at 808 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: my house and I was like beyond moved, but not 809 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: only just because of that, because of like the image 810 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: of love that we get to see at the end 811 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: of the movie, you know, the nod to you know, 812 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: the past, and the song that's chosen. It just like 813 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: overwhelmed me so much. And like you did. You boys 814 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: did an amazing job, and you did such a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, 815 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: beautiful film. You did a beautiful film. Well my sister 816 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: as a star. And let me let me turn to 817 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:39,320 Speaker 1: you right now and say you did that, queen. What 818 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: were you to say, Andrew? I was just gonna say, 819 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: to go back to your previous question about like, you know, 820 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: it's like letting go of it. And and I think 821 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: that there's a certain understanding, um of my work where 822 00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: uh it's like I have to find a kind of 823 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 1: meaningfulness in just the process of making it, you know. 824 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: And and I think it has to do with how 825 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: when I made my first feature Spawn night, like I 826 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: was like, who's going to watch this? Like I don't 827 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: know if it's going to get into any festivals. And 828 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: so for me, I said to my whole team, I 829 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 1: was like, even if this doesn't go anywhere, I'm so 830 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: happy that we did this together and I'm so glad 831 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: we made this right. And so I've I've held onto 832 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: that through driveways and then even on this even though 833 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: I knew that it was going to be on Hulu 834 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: already right like it already had guaranteed distribution, I was like, 835 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: let's just make it so that, um, we have a 836 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: great time doing this together and whatever happens in the 837 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,320 Speaker 1: future is bonus, you know. And so that for me, 838 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: I think has been really like healthy and like thinking 839 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: about like this release now, you know, well, I think 840 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: you did a brilliant thing which was before the table read. 841 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: So this is before like most of the cast had 842 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,760 Speaker 1: met each other for the first time, but you had me, Angel, Matt, Thomas, Torrean, 843 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: and Margaret come early and you sat us down and 844 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: you were like, everybody go around and like share an 845 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 1: experience you had either on the island or like a 846 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: fond vacation memory you had like with friends, or like 847 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: with your chosen family. And this was like and like Matt, Matt, 848 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: Joel and I knew each other, but then you know 849 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 1: the rest we weren't. We were getting to know the rest. 850 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,320 Speaker 1: And it was the perfect level setting of just like 851 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,320 Speaker 1: everybody coming in with the same shared notion of what 852 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 1: like this movie, like what these characters were going through. 853 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. It was the perfect thing too. I 854 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: really that stayed with me the entire time of shooting. 855 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,839 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Andrew did that for a reason, um, 856 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: and I'm really grateful. It's like so much more fun 857 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 1: to talk about, like a fun trip we've had versus 858 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 1: like tell me about your coming out. Everyone going on 859 00:46:50,960 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: this table and say an interesting fact. Yeah, yeah, I 860 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 1: think we ask Andrew's questions. It's time. It's time, okay, Andrew, 861 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: because we've asked Joel. Um, this is Joel's appearance on 862 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: this the most freaking guests. He's a co host the 863 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: third one time. Bowen will sometimes will sort of log 864 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: onto the virtual room and be like guys, I don't 865 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 1: know guys, and I'm like okay, and then Joel always 866 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,800 Speaker 1: comes through. It's like when Lisa Link comes back to 867 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: host of Yeah, that's ask him the question. Now, Okay, Andrew, 868 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you say culture is 869 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 1: for me? Um? So, I think I've been preparing for this. 870 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: I've been so many different answers. I think it has 871 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,279 Speaker 1: a lot to do with um it's VH one's pop 872 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: up video. Oh my god. Yeah, there's just something about 873 00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 1: it where like I realized, like I realized, like true 874 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: is something that you can like analyze and has a backstory, 875 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: you know, and I loved like like I don't know 876 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: why I still remember like the Jamericai Virtual Insanity video, 877 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: like more blood was supposed to gush out of that room, 878 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, like because of Papa video or like uh 879 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: for it's all coming back to me now. Celine Dion 880 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,759 Speaker 1: like like um, when she's brushing her hair, the fact 881 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: was like over brushing leads to alopecia, you know, like 882 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,840 Speaker 1: the most bizarre things. It's the reason I know that 883 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: that third Eye Blind song is about what like Heroin 884 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: is from because of Papa. I wish you would step 885 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: back that one. No, um no do do do do 886 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: do do? Do? Oh? Yeah? Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Um 887 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: did it teach you about like production or whatever like 888 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,720 Speaker 1: into like isn't that what is that fair? Is that? Like? Maybe? 889 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 1: So that's a good question. I don't know. I mean 890 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: I think I think it. Uh. There was something about 891 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 1: UM uh like visuals and music and UM and how 892 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,800 Speaker 1: those come together that like did fascinate me, Like I 893 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,719 Speaker 1: remember and this is like somewhat related, but like UM 894 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 1: in college, I was like obsessed with UM music videos 895 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: and I like sat my best friend down, you know, Charlie, 896 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 1: in front of the computer and I was like, you're 897 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,840 Speaker 1: watching the maps video for from the and she was 898 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,400 Speaker 1: like that was good and I was like that was 899 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,439 Speaker 1: just good, like and I could tell that I had 900 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: this passion for it in a way that like made me, 901 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 1: uh like like want to learn how to make it, 902 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 1: you know. And so that that was a segue. But 903 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,759 Speaker 1: I think with popa video, I think the other thing 904 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: too that was fun for me was like because I 905 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,279 Speaker 1: think I was ten when it came out, like and 906 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,360 Speaker 1: just remember like talking to my friends and being like, 907 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,879 Speaker 1: oh my god, like did you see the POPA video? 908 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,320 Speaker 1: Like I know this about this song and like and 909 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: I lived in a very kind of Asian American suburb 910 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 1: of Los Angeles, um, and like my friends and I 911 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 1: would go to karaoke after school, you know, and like 912 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,080 Speaker 1: just like the stupidest things. Like I think that's when 913 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: I realized, like culture is super it's shared, right, Like 914 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,360 Speaker 1: I remember like someone saying, Sarah McLaughlin, I will remember you, 915 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: and then like a number of us did the and 916 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 1: I just like we couldn't stop laughing. And I was like, 917 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 1: how did we all know this? And it's like because 918 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 1: we all like watch the video and we all knew 919 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: the song. So it's like there there's something about that 920 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,320 Speaker 1: VH one MTV, but more VH one I think for me. 921 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was definitely a VH one. I wasn't 922 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: allowed to watch M was H one just ga um. 923 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:05,880 Speaker 1: I think that vhe yes, it was presenting like light sophistication. 924 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,799 Speaker 1: It was at the time. It was more a doc 925 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,560 Speaker 1: contemper and so I was allowed to watch MT NO 926 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,439 Speaker 1: I was not allowed to watch MTV because my mom 927 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: associated with sexuality overt sexuality, like trashy sexually, like there 928 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 1: was always blurred out, pixelated nudity, and v H one 929 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,880 Speaker 1: was never going to show that. But what v H 930 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: one did was it was more of a sensuality. So 931 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: my idea, my my like my like cultivated like idea 932 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,840 Speaker 1: of what like sexuality was was less like horny teens 933 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: making out open mouth on a beach. It was more 934 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 1: about like Shania Twain like draped off the shoulder shawl 935 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,399 Speaker 1: man in a bathtub in that black and white music video. Yes, 936 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,760 Speaker 1: and also Mariah carry my all in that tight black 937 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 1: mini dress like singing over the Black Lake, you know 938 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: what I mean, and then her like on a plank 939 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,839 Speaker 1: and like she sort of makes that with a guy 940 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,440 Speaker 1: and like you see just like her back as a 941 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,480 Speaker 1: shaw comes down, like it's like tasteful nudity. But whereas 942 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,840 Speaker 1: like and I also and also was they were obsessed 943 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,680 Speaker 1: with the divas too, you know what I mean, Like 944 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 1: MTV was not showing selendion. I'll going back to me now, 945 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,800 Speaker 1: like pH one was like they were concerned about like 946 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: the ladies and not like the boys and the girls, 947 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, in a way that I 948 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: think was formative. I love that Mariah carry always be 949 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: my baby video with her and like the tire like 950 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 1: it's so good, so good, so good. I do want 951 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,960 Speaker 1: to say that there is a Mad TV pop up 952 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,840 Speaker 1: video sketch parody where it's Maria Debord Wilson is Mariah 953 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: singing the Lover her Heart and it was the heart heartbreaker, 954 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 1: but the parody. But but like it's all these people 955 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 1: being like Mariah Maria, Mariah is acting weird in this 956 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,799 Speaker 1: whatever and then and then and then the last one 957 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 1: is Mariah popping up and going, Hi, I'm Mariah, I'm 958 00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:02,360 Speaker 1: from Mars. And I just want to say. One of 959 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:08,839 Speaker 1: the funniest things about Bowen TV. He is of, Hey, 960 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,560 Speaker 1: we got Matt TV better on our antenna. We didn't 961 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:12,840 Speaker 1: have cable. We got mad to be better on an 962 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 1: antenna than we did SNL. So I would watch I 963 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,320 Speaker 1: would typically watch Matt TV first and more often and SNL. 964 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 1: I like, if I got the Bunny ears just right, 965 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: then I would watch Bowen loves it All. Bowen loves 966 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 1: Miss Swan, I love Stewart, I love Miss Swan. My 967 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: family and I would watch mad TV and miss Swan 968 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,400 Speaker 1: like we laugh. We laughed because it was actually not 969 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:41,439 Speaker 1: really even. It was a nondescript, nondescript like amalgam where 970 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 1: it was like kind of like horses shoot into like 971 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,080 Speaker 1: not even being Asian anymore. Well, I also think that 972 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,879 Speaker 1: like there is something aut also Swan is not an Asian. Well, 973 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,919 Speaker 1: there there's also something about um like first generation versus 974 00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,520 Speaker 1: like second generation. Like there's a like a hilarious YouTube 975 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,560 Speaker 1: video of like first gen second gen like Chinese Americans 976 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,239 Speaker 1: eating Panda Express, and like the second gen like our 977 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,680 Speaker 1: generation is like, um, this is disgusting, like this is 978 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 1: not Chinese, and the first ten is like this is delicious, 979 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,000 Speaker 1: Like they're like loving it and they're like it's not 980 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,320 Speaker 1: Chinese food, but it's great. And there's something about that 981 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,320 Speaker 1: where I'm like my parents watching this one, They're like, 982 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 1: this is an Asian but it's hilarious. You know, would 983 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,759 Speaker 1: you ever direct a music video? Started? I was going 984 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,000 Speaker 1: to ask that I've done a little. I've I've directed 985 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: to music videos for a friend, Dia Frampton, who I 986 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:39,640 Speaker 1: think is so oh my god. Joel and I watched 987 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 1: The Voice every week. I was in a voice fantasy 988 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,880 Speaker 1: league for many seasons. Do you Frampton? Frampton and she's 989 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,359 Speaker 1: she's so good as a performer, Like, and you sent 990 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,800 Speaker 1: me some of her songs during productive I did. I 991 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 1: asked you to listen to Die Wild as a way 992 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,719 Speaker 1: to get me. Oh god, and so in the Holley mood. 993 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,400 Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. But I I love Dia and 994 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: she she said, hey, like, you know, I'd love to 995 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,719 Speaker 1: work with you in some way. This was right after 996 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 1: spaw Nite, and so I did these two music videos 997 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,120 Speaker 1: that like have uh like more narrative, you know, there's 998 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,960 Speaker 1: more of a story. Um, there's a love story between 999 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,719 Speaker 1: Dia and the actor Yoshi Siddar. So um where I 1000 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:33,759 Speaker 1: recreate the Darcy hand moment she slips and falls and 1001 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 1: he like helps her up, and it's like and I 1002 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,080 Speaker 1: showed her that moment and I was like, I want 1003 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,960 Speaker 1: to recreate this. Uh so yeah. So pride and prejudice 1004 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 1: has really been a part of life. Yeah exactly. So 1005 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:50,120 Speaker 1: you're saying you're reusing shots from the people's movies. What 1006 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: is what is our hand moment? It's the dance. It's 1007 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 1: when I put my little like gay risk ends up 1008 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,680 Speaker 1: on Conrad's shoulder. I didn't notice that until this cut, 1009 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 1: this most recent, the final cut, I didn't notice the 1010 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:08,400 Speaker 1: gay rest. Such a raptor is the claw. I hate it. 1011 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,960 Speaker 1: It's one of my least favorite parts of the movie 1012 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,120 Speaker 1: because I think it looks so goofy. But that's part 1013 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,359 Speaker 1: of the movie that you're like, oh, yeah, that part, 1014 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,960 Speaker 1: any part where I walk it's an extended scene of 1015 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:28,719 Speaker 1: me walking and I look stop and what you do this? 1016 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: You do you do this? One of them? Yeah? It 1017 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,600 Speaker 1: did you notice that that we added like a little yawned. Yeah, 1018 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 1: I did bowen rye this whenever we watched the scene 1019 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,839 Speaker 1: of him falling in the water, the scene from the water. 1020 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: What is it about that? It's so good where I'm 1021 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,239 Speaker 1: like screaming in the pool. It's fun it's funny that 1022 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,240 Speaker 1: and it's truly me in the tub where like Joel 1023 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,239 Speaker 1: invites Joel. I know, I know you hate that. I 1024 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,279 Speaker 1: love that scene. I think it looks so you're armors 1025 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,160 Speaker 1: look so good, you know, But it's this, It's it's 1026 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 1: the shot of me like kind of like looking up. 1027 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:09,120 Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's so good. It's my profile 1028 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,839 Speaker 1: is like, no, it's beautiful. Something I've had to let 1029 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,680 Speaker 1: go of in the last couple of years is that 1030 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,920 Speaker 1: I have no like objectivity about what I look like. 1031 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,400 Speaker 1: It drove me into the ground. I cry, I wept. Oh, 1032 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 1: it was the scene where it was the scene the 1033 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 1: scene at the end, which is I don't want to 1034 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,160 Speaker 1: spoil it because this episode is going to come out 1035 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,080 Speaker 1: before the movie movie. But when we have our moment 1036 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,200 Speaker 1: on the dock, it's just I can't like it's just 1037 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,600 Speaker 1: like it's just like a chin thing and I'm like, 1038 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,040 Speaker 1: I can't I can't stand my chin. But the thing 1039 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,560 Speaker 1: is like you're watching it and like no one would 1040 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: see it but you. But that's what you you do 1041 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,080 Speaker 1: not have permanence watching herself or you think you're going 1042 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,360 Speaker 1: to show up on screen and look like fucking you 1043 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 1: know Ryan Reynolds. It's it's so beautiful. Well, and I 1044 00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: think it's also like we also have too much troll 1045 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,360 Speaker 1: over what we're putting out of ourselves now because of 1046 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,960 Speaker 1: the Instagram of that, Like when the second you lose 1047 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,240 Speaker 1: control of that and like you it's like I think 1048 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,320 Speaker 1: it's just amplified ten percent. Like I will say, every 1049 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: single piece of press that I've posted of myself over 1050 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,520 Speaker 1: the last month. I think I look bad in almost 1051 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,080 Speaker 1: all of it. But I'm like, but again, but I've 1052 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,800 Speaker 1: let go, I've just said I've just said, well, this 1053 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 1: is not what I look like, but here it is. 1054 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,960 Speaker 1: Um So I don't know, it's crazy. I remember though, 1055 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 1: shooting the movie and I literally was like, I am 1056 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,120 Speaker 1: making a pact with myself. And I did this for 1057 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 1: the series I shot too. I am not looking at 1058 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,240 Speaker 1: a single daily I'm not looking at any shots. I'm 1059 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:42,720 Speaker 1: not I don't want to see any footage of it, 1060 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,360 Speaker 1: like until it's over, because I think of the death 1061 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,200 Speaker 1: of like your ability to act comes when you see 1062 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,120 Speaker 1: yourself doing it, because like then then you're literally going 1063 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,840 Speaker 1: to think L O L. But I saw Jennifer Lawrence 1064 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,400 Speaker 1: say this too, like she was like, I would never 1065 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,400 Speaker 1: look at a picture of myself as still of myself, 1066 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,840 Speaker 1: because once you're thinking about what you look like, you 1067 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 1: cannot act. You cannot do it. I mean, I think 1068 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,200 Speaker 1: it's the it's that trust with the the way he's 1069 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:14,560 Speaker 1: pouring the water into the fully fully, It's it's you 1070 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,160 Speaker 1: have to. It's the trust that you give to the 1071 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,000 Speaker 1: director right like they have to for you. I think 1072 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,840 Speaker 1: I was very fortunate that like you all like trusted me, 1073 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,480 Speaker 1: and I took it very seriously, you know, like I didn't. 1074 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 1: I didn't want to, uh like abuse the power. You know, 1075 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,800 Speaker 1: we're all extremely nude in the film. Yeah, that's all 1076 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: new and nude. Yeah, I mean certainly the most nude 1077 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 1: we've all ever been on camera. That's true. But I 1078 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 1: feel like Andrew, really I know, I know you say 1079 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,320 Speaker 1: you like had a light touch and such, because it's 1080 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, you were trying to let us like the 1081 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,680 Speaker 1: bring the comedy or whatever. But I feel like the 1082 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,200 Speaker 1: it just made the moments of you stepping in and 1083 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,600 Speaker 1: actually really shepherding the thing so much more meaningful. I 1084 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: don't know, like the the times why you would have 1085 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,160 Speaker 1: to come in and like really like set me emotionally. 1086 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,520 Speaker 1: I thought, we're always like so well done the bone, 1087 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 1: like the Howie emotional moments are so good, they're so good. 1088 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Has more moment in the film. I'm gonna say, Bowen 1089 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,680 Speaker 1: is Demi Moore in the film. That's and that's all 1090 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,240 Speaker 1: will say. We're gonna say, and if you know what 1091 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about, you're a real reader. Wait, okay, wait. 1092 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,040 Speaker 1: A random question was Yeah, yeahs was it was there 1093 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,840 Speaker 1: like a next Straan any because because of Karen Now, 1094 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,640 Speaker 1: like do you know she I didn't know she was 1095 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,640 Speaker 1: Karene until like five years ago. I didn't know that 1096 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,920 Speaker 1: she was Korean either for a long time. And I 1097 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,840 Speaker 1: think it was just like really into the music and 1098 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,960 Speaker 1: and just her performance in that videos. Yes, your performance 1099 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,360 Speaker 1: in this movie is amazing. Who is the best? Who 1100 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,680 Speaker 1: is the best music video actor? Who's the best pop 1101 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,560 Speaker 1: star acting in their music videos? Shad O'Connor, Nothing compares 1102 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,600 Speaker 1: to you. Come. That's a really good That's a really 1103 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,560 Speaker 1: good one. You're you might might be hard to beat 1104 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,600 Speaker 1: on that one. I think Atlantis is actually pretty good video, Natalie, 1105 01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:16,920 Speaker 1: And it's it's one take Jesus, I will say, my 1106 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,160 Speaker 1: favorite music video ever. And it's so we I've talked 1107 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,480 Speaker 1: about it a bunch, talk about it. It's cool. Gwen's 1108 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,720 Speaker 1: the fun. Oh Gwen slays that really good. And maybe 1109 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,560 Speaker 1: it's not like the best acting in the music video 1110 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,760 Speaker 1: of all time, but like the video is filming, the 1111 01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: video is gorgeous. Have you seen that video? I can't remember. 1112 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,480 Speaker 1: It's well, she's she's she's blonde, like she's blonde in 1113 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 1: bed like sort of saying the camera like reminiscing about 1114 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 1: this this like this reminiscent when she was and then 1115 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: the flashbacks are all these like beautiful like like Italian 1116 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:55,040 Speaker 1: like this. The song is about like seeing someone that 1117 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,120 Speaker 1: you were in a relationship many many many years later, 1118 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 1: and isn't it great that we're we're we've moved on 1119 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,720 Speaker 1: and we're we're settled in our new lives, but we 1120 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,080 Speaker 1: still remember that. And so the video is this thing 1121 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,400 Speaker 1: of like she's inviting him over to her very palatial 1122 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,920 Speaker 1: home in Italy and like he's got a new wife, 1123 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,920 Speaker 1: and like they sit down and like the second they 1124 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,120 Speaker 1: locked eyes, like it flashes back to them when they 1125 01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:20,320 Speaker 1: were young. It's so good, and Gwen is serving. No 1126 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 1: one revers Gwen as much outside of this podcast. I 1127 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,360 Speaker 1: have to say, the number of times she appeared on 1128 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,400 Speaker 1: a songbook, the number she's on a couple of times, 1129 01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,240 Speaker 1: she's more than Maria. Mariah only has one song on 1130 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,640 Speaker 1: the People. Yeah, but Mariah's got a whole episode of 1131 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,400 Speaker 1: this podcast though. Yeah, can I say on top of 1132 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,560 Speaker 1: Papa Video, because Papa Video also did really influence me 1133 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,240 Speaker 1: and make me want to make things too. But the 1134 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,080 Speaker 1: other thing too. If I had to redo the question today, 1135 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 1: it would definitely be I think. I think enough time 1136 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,800 Speaker 1: has passed. That was the culture they make you said 1137 01:02:54,840 --> 01:03:02,160 Speaker 1: culture was for you, Joe. This is so funny and 1138 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,400 Speaker 1: that's my I don't think so, honey, that there's no 1139 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,560 Speaker 1: shut up that opers. We were just talking about how 1140 01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:17,280 Speaker 1: bloopers are. Bloopers changed literally like everything for me because 1141 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,080 Speaker 1: it opened you up to the the world, like beyond 1142 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,040 Speaker 1: just the show. And you're like, oh my god, there's 1143 01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,320 Speaker 1: so many people involved in this. There's so much going on. 1144 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,400 Speaker 1: They're like a family. Like I've watched The Office bloopers 1145 01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,880 Speaker 1: probably more than I've watched The Office at this point. 1146 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,200 Speaker 1: Um the friends, bloopers were always banging, like I loved 1147 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:36,880 Speaker 1: it the end of movies when they would play that, 1148 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like, I feel like if our movie 1149 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,800 Speaker 1: didn't end as emotionally as it does, like and it 1150 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 1: is sort of like it's like it's a it's a 1151 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,560 Speaker 1: cathartic high point. It's it's a great way to end 1152 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,280 Speaker 1: the movie. But the way I wanted bloopers. There were 1153 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,880 Speaker 1: a lot of bloopers. That's I think that's true. I think, 1154 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,920 Speaker 1: and I remember you being like, is this movie funny 1155 01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,840 Speaker 1: because we're not breaking and laughing And you said that 1156 01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:01,440 Speaker 1: if few times and I was like, guest, it's just 1157 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,880 Speaker 1: like we're all just doing And also we did. It 1158 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,600 Speaker 1: wasn't like we were made of time, you know what 1159 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean Like that, I think that was the thing 1160 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,040 Speaker 1: is it was such a tightly scheduled shoot. You know. 1161 01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,840 Speaker 1: It's like we just had to move so quickly, you know, 1162 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,640 Speaker 1: and and like some of those scenes like like the 1163 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,600 Speaker 1: sun is already set, were like we need to get 1164 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 1: like we have twenty minutes right that day, the day 1165 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,160 Speaker 1: the waves were crashing on the dock and we had 1166 01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,080 Speaker 1: to shoot that scene on the dock that was so rong. 1167 01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,640 Speaker 1: So we were everyone reading the readers. We were going 1168 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,680 Speaker 1: to shoot the finale which takes place on the dock 1169 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,920 Speaker 1: on this day where truly I've never seen the They 1170 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,280 Speaker 1: were crashing over the dock like there was no way, 1171 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,640 Speaker 1: and we're really trying to figure out a way where 1172 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,240 Speaker 1: it's like okay, so we're gonna talk about how you 1173 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,040 Speaker 1: guys can do this and not die, like and it 1174 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,320 Speaker 1: was this thing too where we asked our like safety person, 1175 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,880 Speaker 1: who like is uh nautical captain or somehow and we 1176 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,520 Speaker 1: were like, it's like okay, like this is high tide, 1177 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,920 Speaker 1: Like how how like how long will it take it 1178 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,760 Speaker 1: till it gets lower? And he's like, no, this is 1179 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,680 Speaker 1: low tide. It was a day and we just were 1180 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,600 Speaker 1: like and we had a pivot and shoot like the 1181 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,800 Speaker 1: boardwalk scene. Yeah, you know, which I think is turned out. 1182 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,000 Speaker 1: Really it's great. It's really great. Yeah, people listen, we 1183 01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,040 Speaker 1: listen to this episode after you've seen the movie like 1184 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,280 Speaker 1: a lot more. My My favorite thing about you, Matt 1185 01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,640 Speaker 1: in the movie is if you look like your hand 1186 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,920 Speaker 1: tries to make it into so many shots, what are 1187 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,000 Speaker 1: you saying, like if it's like not your coverage and 1188 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:30,880 Speaker 1: you'll just see your hand snaking, are you dragging long fingers? 1189 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,880 Speaker 1: Don't touch my arm? Are you dragging? You know? I'm 1190 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,240 Speaker 1: just saying it's like you love It's like you love 1191 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:42,400 Speaker 1: the camera. You mean, like like the character of Luke 1192 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,160 Speaker 1: like just kind of like wants to like just like 1193 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,440 Speaker 1: like get in there. I think it's great. It's like 1194 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,360 Speaker 1: we put that like in purpose in the movie, Like 1195 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,040 Speaker 1: there's a real sort of floating into the shots. There's 1196 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,400 Speaker 1: like I love the moment between you and James Scully 1197 01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,720 Speaker 1: near the end of the film. Oh, I know you're 1198 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,160 Speaker 1: talking and rolling with the homes and it's so good. 1199 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:09,480 Speaker 1: There are three there. There's which is in the trailer, 1200 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,240 Speaker 1: I believe, and then rolling with the homies, and then 1201 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,520 Speaker 1: the other one is like a very oblique reference through 1202 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,600 Speaker 1: Clueless and it's um it's a reference to the scene 1203 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,960 Speaker 1: in Clueless where they're leaving the party in the valley 1204 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,840 Speaker 1: and they're like you go with him, and it's like, no, 1205 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. And then they're like they're yeah, 1206 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,880 Speaker 1: it's like such if you watch the movie, you could 1207 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,240 Speaker 1: probably miss it. But to me, in my head, that 1208 01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,520 Speaker 1: is a Clueless reference. So being this is kan cuckoo 1209 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,320 Speaker 1: but like to be in like a gig, Clueless rocks. 1210 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:42,920 Speaker 1: And so I love it so much. It's my favorite 1211 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,840 Speaker 1: movie of all time. Probably. Yeah. So I mean, like 1212 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,840 Speaker 1: I literally whenever anyone comes in here and says Clueless 1213 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,000 Speaker 1: as their culture, that culture was for them, which happens 1214 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,960 Speaker 1: a lot. Dr Wendy said that and like I was iconic, 1215 01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,800 Speaker 1: and like, but it really is. And like I remember 1216 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,120 Speaker 1: you said, like when we were doing the movie, you 1217 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,880 Speaker 1: were like, is this funny because we're not breaking Like 1218 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:05,720 Speaker 1: this is this is happening. And you had a day 1219 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,480 Speaker 1: where you did not think the movie was funny, and 1220 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,400 Speaker 1: you were like a couple of days you were melting down, 1221 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,480 Speaker 1: and I was like, it literally is. But now you 1222 01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,320 Speaker 1: watch it, and especially to watch it with a bunch 1223 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,160 Speaker 1: of people, you realize, like there is a quote ability 1224 01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,720 Speaker 1: to which I have to say, I understand when comedy 1225 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,000 Speaker 1: movies and comedy series want to be like dropped in 1226 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,120 Speaker 1: and quote unquote grounded, but leave in the quotable lines. 1227 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,640 Speaker 1: And you have to because it is. I mean, you 1228 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,520 Speaker 1: can like when you said that culture was meant to 1229 01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,320 Speaker 1: be shared. I remember when I realized that you share it. 1230 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,280 Speaker 1: We were literally at Bowen and I were, and we've 1231 01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,959 Speaker 1: done it probably every third time. It's the most basic 1232 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,320 Speaker 1: thing about us. Yes, we literally our friendship is often quoting, 1233 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,920 Speaker 1: and then we do it again the same line, and 1234 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,880 Speaker 1: then we do it again simultaneously. So Bowen and I 1235 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,200 Speaker 1: are like a lot of our friendship is just doing 1236 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,680 Speaker 1: the mean girls monologues. I can't invite you to be 1237 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,800 Speaker 1: a party because I think you're a lesbian. I mean, right, 1238 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,280 Speaker 1: she was a lesbian. Girls there's gonna be color in 1239 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,040 Speaker 1: their beating suits. We're doing it. We're doing you did 1240 01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,440 Speaker 1: this for when I said I saw a to you 1241 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:20,800 Speaker 1: terror bitch. Excuse me, lady, too wrong feet. And but 1242 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,360 Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. If you want the movie 1243 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:28,880 Speaker 1: to live a shared cultural asset, leave in the jokes. 1244 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,040 Speaker 1: What can I say the iconography has to stay My 1245 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,880 Speaker 1: Rudolph asked me this question on set for Loot, and 1246 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,519 Speaker 1: we were talking it would turn into like a week 1247 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,760 Speaker 1: slung conversation that we don't quote movies anymore? What is 1248 01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,720 Speaker 1: the last? Because of them? Honestly, it's Bridesmaids And it's 1249 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,360 Speaker 1: like it's like it's it's these movies that are not 1250 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,880 Speaker 1: afraid of being hard comedies. And this is something I 1251 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,160 Speaker 1: really feel strongly about, is if you want an audience 1252 01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,599 Speaker 1: to fall in love with a character, give them jokes, 1253 01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,479 Speaker 1: because the serotonin pops when you see a character come 1254 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,280 Speaker 1: on screen and then you think I'm going to get 1255 01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,960 Speaker 1: a joke, like subconsciously in the back of your mind. 1256 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,920 Speaker 1: It's like if Jenna Moroney had no jokes, you should 1257 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:12,800 Speaker 1: just be unbearable, like period, Do you know already? Like 1258 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:17,479 Speaker 1: what a quotable? I know one? Yeah, from Fire Island? 1259 01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:23,479 Speaker 1: I do what's serious? Um than well, I mean like 1260 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,280 Speaker 1: that is like the top. No, I think the one 1261 01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,639 Speaker 1: is not even a line that I wrote. It's Matt's improv, 1262 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,000 Speaker 1: which is, um. Well, my two favorites are and eagle 1263 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,400 Speaker 1: eye listeners will or eagle ear listeners will have to 1264 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,000 Speaker 1: listen for these, but it's um can I can I 1265 01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,320 Speaker 1: trade anyone a crest white strip for a prep pill 1266 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,200 Speaker 1: and I was really proud of. And then James James 1267 01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,040 Speaker 1: Scully has my second favorite, which is they really don't 1268 01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,839 Speaker 1: like it when you put makeup on animals. It's very subtle, 1269 01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,000 Speaker 1: but it's wait, can you ask a question? Everyone's like, 1270 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:57,880 Speaker 1: you have to stay after the credits. You have to 1271 01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,080 Speaker 1: stay after their credits. What is after the credits? No, 1272 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,680 Speaker 1: we can't say. We're not gonna tell. I haven't. I 1273 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:08,519 Speaker 1: don't know what. I don't think so I don't think 1274 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,360 Speaker 1: I saw. It's just the very end of the crowd. 1275 01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,719 Speaker 1: And it's it's a it's an audience, it's an audio. 1276 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,640 Speaker 1: It's not like a cut scene. But yeah, you'll just 1277 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:22,679 Speaker 1: have to stay. And I say, what's my quotable line? 1278 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:28,280 Speaker 1: Honestly there's a lot, but honestly, okay, I give me yours. No, 1279 01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,439 Speaker 1: it's it's not one of mine. I think, well, the 1280 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,600 Speaker 1: whole mercer tone anything I think is iconic, and I 1281 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,400 Speaker 1: do think that the sometimes number is iconic. But in 1282 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:43,519 Speaker 1: terms of lines, m hmm, I haven't seen it as 1283 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,479 Speaker 1: much as you guys, but they are there, And that's 1284 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,120 Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying, even if I can't pull 1285 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,240 Speaker 1: it right now. It's that there are lines there that 1286 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,559 Speaker 1: are like, Honestly, I think the fact that there's so many, 1287 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,680 Speaker 1: I guess I'm excited to see which ones jump out 1288 01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,599 Speaker 1: at the audience. I have another one, uh, Nick Adams. 1289 01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:05,679 Speaker 1: Nick has so many. That's that's why it's so weird 1290 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,560 Speaker 1: and kind of like, I didn't say that. You said that. 1291 01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't say that. You said that. 1292 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,559 Speaker 1: That's really irresponsible of you to say. I actually love 1293 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,600 Speaker 1: that he's of a different culture. The words of a 1294 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,960 Speaker 1: different culture. That's one. Yeah, I love that really funny. Also, 1295 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,040 Speaker 1: just like Tomasky, I'm like, bitch, who is this? Like, 1296 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:31,880 Speaker 1: I don't know just things. The sunset is also yes yes, yes, yes, 1297 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:37,280 Speaker 1: yes yes again everyone come back in this film. I'm 1298 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,479 Speaker 1: I'm so excited for everyone to see it. I really 1299 01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,360 Speaker 1: really am. Can we talk about the cast for a second, 1300 01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,920 Speaker 1: because I think that something that is so great about 1301 01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,600 Speaker 1: it is like I mean I think that Boe and 1302 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,000 Speaker 1: Joel and I obviously have like a years and years 1303 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,439 Speaker 1: long friendship, but it really did feel like when we 1304 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,839 Speaker 1: got to set and Bone and I had met Margaret, 1305 01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,880 Speaker 1: Joels met Margaret before, but um, when we got to set, 1306 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,720 Speaker 1: like it really especially at that first table read, I 1307 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,840 Speaker 1: really feel like a maybe everyone was really excited to 1308 01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,200 Speaker 1: be a part of it, and so it was bringing 1309 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,439 Speaker 1: a good energy. But be like immediately like we all 1310 01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,880 Speaker 1: wanted to really hang out with each other, and like 1311 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if you could talk about like just like 1312 01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,240 Speaker 1: watching that happen and like how what what the casting 1313 01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:20,439 Speaker 1: process was? Like? I mean I remember, uh, like you 1314 01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,320 Speaker 1: were the first person I think cast. Yeah, I was, Yeah, 1315 01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,840 Speaker 1: you were the first because we were attached even before 1316 01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:31,280 Speaker 1: I did audition twice. And I remember like Joel was 1317 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:35,439 Speaker 1: like this is for man, you know, and I was like, yeah, 1318 01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,080 Speaker 1: I get it. And then I watched the tape and 1319 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,840 Speaker 1: I was like no, perfect like perfect because and I 1320 01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,639 Speaker 1: really mean this, like I've said it before, like gay 1321 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,719 Speaker 1: genlem alone, you know, like that's like the perfect lydia 1322 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, what's funny. It was announced that I was 1323 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,160 Speaker 1: playing Lydia, and everyone online was like, oh, of course 1324 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,120 Speaker 1: he's Lydia, to the point where I felt a little 1325 01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,439 Speaker 1: drive that was like okay, girls like relax, like the 1326 01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,880 Speaker 1: thirsty mess like and a review just I'm like, Okay, 1327 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,880 Speaker 1: that's how that's inter staying, which is fine. Um, but 1328 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,880 Speaker 1: I think it takes like there's uh, you have to 1329 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,360 Speaker 1: have so much fun with her, you know, with that character, uh, 1330 01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,600 Speaker 1: and then she has to get into trouble, you know, 1331 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,800 Speaker 1: Like and I think that like I trusted you with that, 1332 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, um, and then uh with Keegan, you know, 1333 01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,320 Speaker 1: we wanted to find like someone who could stand up 1334 01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:29,360 Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, exactly, and that's really hard. It's super hard, 1335 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,320 Speaker 1: you know. And I think a lot of people, a 1336 01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:37,720 Speaker 1: lot of very like cool actors, yeah, fancy people like 1337 01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:44,120 Speaker 1: we just we just didn't feel like we couldn't find 1338 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:48,600 Speaker 1: that person. And then Thomas, like Joel said, like like 1339 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,920 Speaker 1: Thomas's audition like makes me laugh so hard. And I 1340 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,920 Speaker 1: met Thomas on Zoom. They were hilarious and and actually 1341 01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,240 Speaker 1: I kind of loved that, um, Like I think maybe 1342 01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,679 Speaker 1: because Thomas went to the Fame High School, le Guardia, 1343 01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,920 Speaker 1: like they're so well trained to you know, just like technically, 1344 01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,080 Speaker 1: like I gave a note like such amazing you know, uh, 1345 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,519 Speaker 1: such an amazing adjustments, Like like Thomas was so good 1346 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,160 Speaker 1: and then I think for me just was so much 1347 01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:24,400 Speaker 1: fun to hang out with. You know, the energy truly 1348 01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,439 Speaker 1: changed the way we spoke. It was like living in 1349 01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:33,160 Speaker 1: an episode of Legendary Yeah, like that vibe. Honestly, like 1350 01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,679 Speaker 1: maybe number one thing I'll obviously being with my sisters, 1351 01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,840 Speaker 1: but number two is like Thomas, Like for me, just 1352 01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,920 Speaker 1: like and meeting and knowing I was nervous about it 1353 01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:44,960 Speaker 1: because I knew that this person had to sort of 1354 01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,439 Speaker 1: be like another half of my body. And meeting Thomas 1355 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,880 Speaker 1: immediately falling in love and we had the best time. 1356 01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,560 Speaker 1: And I mean I think we all had that, but 1357 01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,240 Speaker 1: like to have like I mean, I know what it's 1358 01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,000 Speaker 1: like to have a real sister, you know what I mean, 1359 01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,160 Speaker 1: and so like to have that actually feel like very natural. 1360 01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,639 Speaker 1: And I remember you saying like, you guys should pretty 1361 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,000 Speaker 1: be pretty amorphous from the beginning, like literally physically on 1362 01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,240 Speaker 1: top of each other. Thought the entire thing, And like, honestly, 1363 01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,160 Speaker 1: in the film, you did an amazing job with that 1364 01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,160 Speaker 1: because literally we are physically entangled for most of it, 1365 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,800 Speaker 1: but it didn't feel like I had to act that, 1366 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,479 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Thomas is brilliant. Yeah. I 1367 01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,960 Speaker 1: think Joel and I both saw very quickly like how 1368 01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:29,439 Speaker 1: you two would get along, you know, um, and then Torrian. 1369 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's so funny like, uh, Joel, you had 1370 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,519 Speaker 1: worked with tor and yeah, and I just like I 1371 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,320 Speaker 1: remember seeing his tape being like, holy crap, like this 1372 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,200 Speaker 1: is so good and and well also and didn't have 1373 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,400 Speaker 1: an agent or anything we had. I think they've reached 1374 01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,160 Speaker 1: out to him on Instagram because I was like, oh, 1375 01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,800 Speaker 1: what about this guy? And then they like couldn't Yeah, 1376 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,560 Speaker 1: and it really worked out. And I just there was 1377 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,439 Speaker 1: something about Torrean's read. I wonder actually if it's because 1378 01:15:55,720 --> 01:16:00,280 Speaker 1: he works in casting too, that like like every joke 1379 01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:04,160 Speaker 1: just like he landed every joke. Yeah I didn't. I 1380 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,000 Speaker 1: just spent the screening to the the l A when 1381 01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,920 Speaker 1: that we were all at every single joke of his. Yeah, 1382 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,240 Speaker 1: they all land huge hard fireworks. It's so funny. I mean, 1383 01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,560 Speaker 1: like I remember because I think he had auditioned for 1384 01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,880 Speaker 1: Keegan as well, and his Keegan is so different than 1385 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,640 Speaker 1: his mat was also amazing, you know, Like, but it 1386 01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,120 Speaker 1: was just this thing where I I a zoomed with 1387 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:33,160 Speaker 1: him and um, I was talking to him and at 1388 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,960 Speaker 1: one point we I found out that he plays the cello, 1389 01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:40,479 Speaker 1: and we're like, should Max like bring his cello to 1390 01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,120 Speaker 1: the island. And it's just this like other thing that's 1391 01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,840 Speaker 1: like so merry about him, Mary Bennett, you know. Um, 1392 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,040 Speaker 1: but like I I think I saw in that zoom 1393 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,479 Speaker 1: like just someone who has such a good heart and 1394 01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,160 Speaker 1: was so inspired by the story and like knew the 1395 01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,080 Speaker 1: meaningfulness of this film. Like I was like, oh, like 1396 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,479 Speaker 1: we are all going to come together with this like 1397 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:08,840 Speaker 1: shared purpose and like get along like so beautifully, you know. 1398 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,000 Speaker 1: And then Margaret well, and I'll say this too about 1399 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:17,280 Speaker 1: Thomas and Torreon. Kitty and Mary are the most underwritten 1400 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,960 Speaker 1: characters in Pride and Prejudice. They are the most periphery 1401 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,519 Speaker 1: of the sisters. And I don't think that either of 1402 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,559 Speaker 1: those parts would work in the movie. I mean, because 1403 01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,240 Speaker 1: everyone gets a moment in the movie at least um, 1404 01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,760 Speaker 1: but they bring so much of themselves to it that 1405 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,439 Speaker 1: it's there all. They fill in so many of the 1406 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,320 Speaker 1: blank spaces, I think, and just like there wasn't real 1407 01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,439 Speaker 1: estate to service everybody on the same level because it's 1408 01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,080 Speaker 1: it's a large ensemble movie. But like, they bring so 1409 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,479 Speaker 1: much like specificity and individuality to those roles that like 1410 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,840 Speaker 1: fill in the gaps in my writing. And I think 1411 01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,800 Speaker 1: like would not work. It would the movie wouldn't work 1412 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,559 Speaker 1: without the two of them specifically in those parts. I agree. 1413 01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:01,760 Speaker 1: I know, I love her so much. She's so good. 1414 01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,760 Speaker 1: She's so good, she's so funny, and she uh like 1415 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,519 Speaker 1: it was just the sweetest human being. She's a great vibe. Yeah, really, 1416 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,280 Speaker 1: I mean, like and the dog Lucia well and originally 1417 01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,479 Speaker 1: written to be an older gay man Casta cast an 1418 01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,320 Speaker 1: iconic older gay man in the role who had to 1419 01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:23,160 Speaker 1: unfortunately drop because of other engagements. And literally the day 1420 01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,960 Speaker 1: he dropped, Margaret Show reached out and was like, I 1421 01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,120 Speaker 1: want to be in the movie, and I was. I 1422 01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:29,880 Speaker 1: barely had to rewrite it from an older gay man 1423 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,160 Speaker 1: to Mark. Yeah, I barely had to touch it. Although 1424 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,880 Speaker 1: but although like her being this lesbian who was from 1425 01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,639 Speaker 1: Trade Grove, like is so perfect, and also it solved 1426 01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,640 Speaker 1: a problem I didn't even know. I can't imagine it 1427 01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:43,920 Speaker 1: without her. But then then you know, like there if 1428 01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, readers who haven't seen it, like there's a 1429 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,439 Speaker 1: scene please come back and listen to this after you've 1430 01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,519 Speaker 1: seen the movie. Um where she just you know she 1431 01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,400 Speaker 1: she has a great moment where um that is all 1432 01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,280 Speaker 1: informed by like that characterization that only she could have done. 1433 01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,320 Speaker 1: So so cool, And then you had I think we 1434 01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,639 Speaker 1: all had a really nice individual moment with her where 1435 01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,280 Speaker 1: we're like, God, this is someone we've no I think 1436 01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,000 Speaker 1: every gay person on set at one point pulled her 1437 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,800 Speaker 1: aside and told her how much she meant to them. Well, 1438 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:15,599 Speaker 1: I had already done so b B G. Background is Bowen, 1439 01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,840 Speaker 1: And I got her on the podcast like years ago, 1440 01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,360 Speaker 1: and this is when the baby podcast just like a 1441 01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,839 Speaker 1: baby podcast, and she was I think of the biggest 1442 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,640 Speaker 1: person that we had booked, and like I had been 1443 01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,600 Speaker 1: on I had told you for years that she was 1444 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:32,000 Speaker 1: like a hero of mine, like like like closing my door, 1445 01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,720 Speaker 1: putting my earphones and listening to her albums, like her 1446 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,040 Speaker 1: telling me what my sense of humor was like from 1447 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,040 Speaker 1: from from the computer, you know what I mean, or whatever. 1448 01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,760 Speaker 1: She was, So we were so I was so panicked 1449 01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,880 Speaker 1: to meet her back when we had her on the 1450 01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,479 Speaker 1: podcast that I was like rearranging the chairs of the 1451 01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,479 Speaker 1: furniture in the room we were waiting. I was so interested, nervous, 1452 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,640 Speaker 1: and I think we did a bad episode with her 1453 01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:57,880 Speaker 1: because we were so nervous. And then meeting her to 1454 01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,760 Speaker 1: do the film, I was anxious. And I remember we 1455 01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,920 Speaker 1: were sitting at the dock on the dock on her 1456 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:04,920 Speaker 1: last day of filming, and we're just sitting there like 1457 01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,360 Speaker 1: it's like a quiet moment, and she turned to me 1458 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:09,000 Speaker 1: and she said, I just want to say, this was 1459 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,160 Speaker 1: a really great experience doing this. Do you really make 1460 01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,120 Speaker 1: me laugh? And I literally turned to her and I 1461 01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,400 Speaker 1: was like, I was like, I don't think I can 1462 01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,880 Speaker 1: express the words right now because I cry. But she's 1463 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,120 Speaker 1: so meaningful. I think so much more than she knows. 1464 01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,080 Speaker 1: And I remember when she was on the podcast years ago, 1465 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,680 Speaker 1: like I told I asked her like do people tell 1466 01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,000 Speaker 1: you that? Like do you get that? Like I think 1467 01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,960 Speaker 1: she does definitely, Yeah, definitely, I think she gets that. 1468 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,519 Speaker 1: And then she she pivots it right and she like, 1469 01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,360 Speaker 1: how do I how do I foster this like next generation? 1470 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,519 Speaker 1: You know? Like she she doesn't waste the platform, you know, 1471 01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,000 Speaker 1: And I think that that's what makes her so special. 1472 01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,720 Speaker 1: She's seen it all and she is this like she 1473 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,800 Speaker 1: is herself an icon, but she's also this generational bridge 1474 01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,560 Speaker 1: between like a Joan Rivers and like, you know like 1475 01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,559 Speaker 1: us or let's say, you know, like not that we're 1476 01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,240 Speaker 1: like that whole spectrum or whatever, but it's like she 1477 01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,840 Speaker 1: is this person who like has had to interface like 1478 01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:07,519 Speaker 1: in so many ways and so many different capacities like actor, 1479 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:11,080 Speaker 1: stand up, comedian, you know, reality show like like like 1480 01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,200 Speaker 1: talk show, host, like like all these different like she 1481 01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,639 Speaker 1: has like what a what a career? Like, Yeah, there's 1482 01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,160 Speaker 1: not many people like her. And then I think like 1483 01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,160 Speaker 1: in terms of like the more nefarious characters are like 1484 01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,800 Speaker 1: the like the like I think we all had been 1485 01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,880 Speaker 1: a fan of Nick Adams, Nick Adams and the brief 1486 01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,640 Speaker 1: with Nick Adams was so hot and scary. Yeah um 1487 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:36,519 Speaker 1: and nailed it, check check um, saying I think was 1488 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,479 Speaker 1: the second person to audition for that part, and we 1489 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,639 Speaker 1: wanted him for a long time. We love seeing yeah, 1490 01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,720 Speaker 1: and just the sweetest guy couldn't definitely the the most 1491 01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:51,920 Speaker 1: Nick and him are the most opposite. So I remember 1492 01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,760 Speaker 1: like Nick would come out of his trailer. Nick would 1493 01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,160 Speaker 1: come out of his trailer in the clothes and like 1494 01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,519 Speaker 1: the sheen, and like just the way he looked was 1495 01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,800 Speaker 1: so it was violently it was violently hot. It was 1496 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,120 Speaker 1: like Kendall hot, like walking Kendall and I never he 1497 01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,280 Speaker 1: would come out of Australia and we would all just laugh, 1498 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,160 Speaker 1: like and we would just laugh at how hot he was, 1499 01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:17,960 Speaker 1: and he would just roll his eyes and yeah, joke 1500 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,200 Speaker 1: that he's so freaking funny and good and a sweetheart, 1501 01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,960 Speaker 1: and it was. It was so funny. We made Nick 1502 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:30,280 Speaker 1: Adams so shiny, so shiny, you really leaned into it. 1503 01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:34,120 Speaker 1: I forgot a birthday, you know. And he's wearing that 1504 01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:39,760 Speaker 1: red hat hat, right, it's like a designer red hat. 1505 01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,240 Speaker 1: I think he's head to toe. Every every outfit is 1506 01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,640 Speaker 1: head to toe, mostly allocated to I would imagine a 1507 01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,240 Speaker 1: huge part of it. I remember like we were talking 1508 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,960 Speaker 1: about I remember when we were casting Decks. You were like, 1509 01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,320 Speaker 1: it's going to be maybe this person that we know 1510 01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,240 Speaker 1: and then this other guy named Zane. And I was like, 1511 01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,200 Speaker 1: for super supernxious about it because knew we would have 1512 01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:02,840 Speaker 1: to do like a sex scene in the movie. And 1513 01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,200 Speaker 1: I was like, that's the person that we know, Like 1514 01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:06,840 Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with that. And he was like yeah, but 1515 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:08,840 Speaker 1: you haven't seen Zane. And I remember you sent me 1516 01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:13,880 Speaker 1: Zane's audition tape and I was like, oh uh yeah, 1517 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:19,639 Speaker 1: maybe it should be maybe should be the same character brutal. 1518 01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,280 Speaker 1: I think it's he he like so good, knew how 1519 01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:28,360 Speaker 1: to like draw someone in like books. And I literally 1520 01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,040 Speaker 1: on his first day of shooting, I said to him 1521 01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:34,040 Speaker 1: in that store, I said, you should and will be 1522 01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:38,200 Speaker 1: honestly w show in three months. I'm a fucking which 1523 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:43,240 Speaker 1: because it happened, Um and the like. Shout out to 1524 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:48,800 Speaker 1: the Legacies fans if you're listening, you terrify me. Yeah, 1525 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,080 Speaker 1: those those girls in their vampires don't get in the 1526 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,360 Speaker 1: way like they they're really into it. Any any fan 1527 01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:58,160 Speaker 1: cam community, I'm like you all, you all are powerful. Yeah, 1528 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,720 Speaker 1: it would never speak a word it against the fan. 1529 01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,680 Speaker 1: Can't community? Have any fan done? And then shout out 1530 01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,840 Speaker 1: to Aidan Warner and Mikey Grispha, who were both lovely 1531 01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,840 Speaker 1: and Michael Grospha really got the comedy of that part. 1532 01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,280 Speaker 1: And it is like a very small part, but he 1533 01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:16,160 Speaker 1: is so funny and and honestly one of them, Like 1534 01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,560 Speaker 1: every time I watched the movie, like James impresses me 1535 01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,519 Speaker 1: more and more like he's so guileless and so like 1536 01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,720 Speaker 1: he's such a puppy dog, like he really like kind 1537 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,040 Speaker 1: of yeah in a way that like I was reading 1538 01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,200 Speaker 1: a review that like lightly commented of the fact that 1539 01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,439 Speaker 1: like he performs the guilelessness in a way that makes 1540 01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,679 Speaker 1: it believable that like Howie and Charlie end up together 1541 01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,280 Speaker 1: in the end, they're both so kind of pure and 1542 01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,280 Speaker 1: and they're coming at it from like two sides of 1543 01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:45,080 Speaker 1: purity that like you it makes sense that and you're 1544 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,240 Speaker 1: rooting for them hopefully like by the end, and that 1545 01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:52,080 Speaker 1: like it it works the scenes of their innocence drawing 1546 01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,880 Speaker 1: them into which of like the puzzle. Yeah, like that 1547 01:24:56,120 --> 01:25:00,360 Speaker 1: all works because like you believe the puppy you know 1548 01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,040 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's it's and it is like 1549 01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,519 Speaker 1: every time there's a cut to them by themselves, I'm 1550 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,360 Speaker 1: laughing because like it's so innocent and sweet and then 1551 01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,400 Speaker 1: it culminates in that beautiful way, and that's really starts 1552 01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,599 Speaker 1: the water works for me at the end of the movie. 1553 01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:23,040 Speaker 1: And then Conrad, who I I remember, like there were 1554 01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,639 Speaker 1: I did not write this part to be an Asian man, 1555 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,439 Speaker 1: and there were things about the original script that did 1556 01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,080 Speaker 1: not work if if I cast my Lovenges as an 1557 01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:35,280 Speaker 1: Asian man um and because originally um the actor we 1558 01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:39,640 Speaker 1: cast at Quimby was African American, and so it was 1559 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,600 Speaker 1: like I rewrote it for that. And then when we 1560 01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:44,320 Speaker 1: saw Conrad ste I was like, I don't know if 1561 01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,120 Speaker 1: this will work. I'd have to rewrite the script. And 1562 01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:49,400 Speaker 1: I was feeling very lazy. Uh. And then Conrad came 1563 01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,679 Speaker 1: in and did the chemistry read and I remember steps 1564 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,040 Speaker 1: out the door. I was like, I will rewrite the 1565 01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,120 Speaker 1: script for this man. I never get texted me and 1566 01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,240 Speaker 1: you were like that could not have gone better. I 1567 01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,599 Speaker 1: was like, wow, that's so exciting. Is what did you say? 1568 01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,800 Speaker 1: Like he was the only one to like I went 1569 01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,080 Speaker 1: up on my lines and I wrote the thing. It was. 1570 01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,439 Speaker 1: It was so obvious in the room, you know, and 1571 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:15,400 Speaker 1: like like the like when Connard pulled you up like 1572 01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,760 Speaker 1: you were caught off guard, and I love that moment. Yeah, 1573 01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,439 Speaker 1: and it ended up in the movie. Yeah. Yeah, it's 1574 01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,479 Speaker 1: such a it's it was such a eye opening moment. 1575 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:30,479 Speaker 1: And and Conrad is also just like so uh like 1576 01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:36,040 Speaker 1: wonderfully charming, you know. Uh, but he was able to 1577 01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,479 Speaker 1: like give you that Darcy snootiness at the beginning, you know. 1578 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,799 Speaker 1: And I think that that transformation of how the audience 1579 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,240 Speaker 1: like sees that character, like very few actors can pull 1580 01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,479 Speaker 1: that off. I've said it impressed before, but it is 1581 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,840 Speaker 1: an indictment of Hollywood that this is the first time 1582 01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,759 Speaker 1: Conrad mckamore is playing a romantic lead in a project 1583 01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,120 Speaker 1: because he is so good at it. Um and I 1584 01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,560 Speaker 1: think it's not the last. There was Bone. Do you 1585 01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,760 Speaker 1: remember we were It was when we were shooting. I 1586 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,240 Speaker 1: think we were shooting in Sam's Point and we were 1587 01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:08,800 Speaker 1: like messing around at the trailer and the car pulled, 1588 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,400 Speaker 1: the van pulls up, and Conrad came out and he 1589 01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,920 Speaker 1: was like backlit by the sun and shirtless and came 1590 01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:15,840 Speaker 1: out of the came out of the van, and we 1591 01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:19,519 Speaker 1: literally were going We were like it was like that 1592 01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:21,560 Speaker 1: scene in the movie where it's like the soundtrack was 1593 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,920 Speaker 1: like weird, like that type of thing. We were just 1594 01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:29,760 Speaker 1: like we were just like we were a god. And 1595 01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:31,240 Speaker 1: he was like, what's up, guys, And we were like 1596 01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:37,880 Speaker 1: just watching you fucking absolutely destroy our life. Wow. And 1597 01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,479 Speaker 1: Bow and Yang is you are so iconic in the movie. Baby, 1598 01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,400 Speaker 1: You're so good and I'm so proud of you in 1599 01:27:44,479 --> 01:28:00,880 Speaker 1: the Spirit Award to the egit, the friends. How are 1600 01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,439 Speaker 1: you feeling about all of it? I'm so I just 1601 01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:05,479 Speaker 1: I feel like the way that Matt feels like, I'm 1602 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,080 Speaker 1: just so grateful to be a part of it. And 1603 01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,000 Speaker 1: I all I can all I can really think is 1604 01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:13,280 Speaker 1: like reverence for joel In Andrew, Like it's just I 1605 01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:17,160 Speaker 1: can't believe you guys, like not only stick the landing, 1606 01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,880 Speaker 1: but just like I don't know, like stick the landing 1607 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,400 Speaker 1: and then immediately build something foundational that like goes up 1608 01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,759 Speaker 1: back up, you know, does this does this like metaphor 1609 01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,640 Speaker 1: make sense? Fuck you? Um, I don't know, just just 1610 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,080 Speaker 1: just I'm I'm I'm so I'm I'm so lucky, so lucky. 1611 01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,640 Speaker 1: I'll never forget shooting it on the island. That to me, 1612 01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,760 Speaker 1: like while we shot from most of it like off 1613 01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,040 Speaker 1: the island, but those two weeks like really dominate the 1614 01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,280 Speaker 1: process from me in terms of like I can't believe 1615 01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:48,680 Speaker 1: we all lived in that house. It was sometimes I 1616 01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,400 Speaker 1: think there should be a movie about the making of 1617 01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,760 Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, like a documentary crew should have filmed us. 1618 01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,839 Speaker 1: There is and it was called Instagram Stories, and everyone 1619 01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:00,360 Speaker 1: saw it. Everyone watch. I want to I want to 1620 01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,679 Speaker 1: super cut. That's what I want. I want a super 1621 01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:06,519 Speaker 1: cut of us Lord great music video actress Lord Lord's 1622 01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:12,320 Speaker 1: reference in the movie when Ye said Lord could never 1623 01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,920 Speaker 1: we're giving we're giving it all away. No, it's okay. 1624 01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,639 Speaker 1: There's a lot of spoilers in this podcast. I think 1625 01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,840 Speaker 1: you need to believe it all out. Okay, No, we don't, 1626 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:32,200 Speaker 1: and you don't tell us what to believe. It's time 1627 01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,920 Speaker 1: for I don't think so, honey. Now, I know Andrew 1628 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,479 Speaker 1: is so excited before we get into it. What do 1629 01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:43,599 Speaker 1: you think of Tellor Swift? Why? Why? I mean, it's 1630 01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,439 Speaker 1: just I think I missed the Taylor Swift boat a little. 1631 01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,880 Speaker 1: I think I'm like just that little bit older. I'm sorry. 1632 01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean I know her songs. Patti Lapo loves her. 1633 01:29:53,640 --> 01:30:00,840 Speaker 1: Are you different than Patty? Different Patty? Okay, say, what's 1634 01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:04,720 Speaker 1: your favorite song? Um? Ever, what's the name name a 1635 01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,680 Speaker 1: song that doesn't have your Taylor Swift um song? Do 1636 01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:11,599 Speaker 1: you like? What's the one with the music video where 1637 01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:17,920 Speaker 1: it's with Clint Eastwood? Song wild Dreams? That is the 1638 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:23,559 Speaker 1: favorite of this pod. Wow, the streams, it's so dreamy, 1639 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm so beautiful and lovely but problematic, right, No, come 1640 01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:32,840 Speaker 1: on the music video that she's doing it in Africa. Yeah, yeah, 1641 01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,400 Speaker 1: I mean the music videos. Whatever, I don't. I don't 1642 01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:36,760 Speaker 1: love that song for the music, but I love that 1643 01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,680 Speaker 1: song for the song. I don't like any of it. Well, 1644 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,840 Speaker 1: you like will This Street? I don't. I like out 1645 01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,439 Speaker 1: of the Woods. That's what does that mean? You can't 1646 01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:46,600 Speaker 1: like while the Streets? Exactly? The best time in that 1647 01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:52,599 Speaker 1: album is I Wish You Would be the most arena 1648 01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:54,880 Speaker 1: rock eighties, which is the promise of the album is 1649 01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,000 Speaker 1: that she's giving you eighties pop. But the most eighties 1650 01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,680 Speaker 1: sounding songs are out of the Woods and I Wish 1651 01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,439 Speaker 1: You Would. That's it, that's true. The best song, the 1652 01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,840 Speaker 1: best song on the album is Welcome to Hey, if 1653 01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:12,000 Speaker 1: waiting you welcome to Loocome to New York. Now, it's 1654 01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:13,600 Speaker 1: type I don't think so, honey. This is where we 1655 01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,960 Speaker 1: take one minute to rail against something in culture. Man, 1656 01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,720 Speaker 1: I think you have something that we've already alluded to. 1657 01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,880 Speaker 1: But I can't believe that just means sisterhood. Sister are you? 1658 01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it? So this is Matt Rodgers. I 1659 01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:25,840 Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. As time starts now. I don't 1660 01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:30,000 Speaker 1: think so, honey. Lack of bloopers and stigma around blooper culture. 1661 01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,559 Speaker 1: One of the funniest things you could do is break 1662 01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,880 Speaker 1: It's so funny every time. That's why Jimmy Fallon was 1663 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,840 Speaker 1: the best SNL cast number of all time. He's so 1664 01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:42,200 Speaker 1: famous for it. And a blooper culture should be in 1665 01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,880 Speaker 1: every comedy film. And I'm ashamed of this film that 1666 01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm in, Fire Island starring Joe Kim and Bowing because 1667 01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,439 Speaker 1: there's no bloopers and I know we can scrounge together 1668 01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,880 Speaker 1: some bloopers. You're telling me that I didn't do a 1669 01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,400 Speaker 1: good enough job. You're saying I didn't do a good 1670 01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,160 Speaker 1: enough job, that there's no bloopers. Don't an a that 1671 01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,200 Speaker 1: this is not your I don't think so, honey, it's mine. 1672 01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:05,160 Speaker 1: And I feel that there should be more bloopers. And 1673 01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,640 Speaker 1: how come at the end of every comedy film I 1674 01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,439 Speaker 1: have to see not bloopers And I sat through even 1675 01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:13,599 Speaker 1: Marvel said, you're telling me that there are those costumes 1676 01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,120 Speaker 1: and they're not laughing. Sometimes you're telling me that sometimes 1677 01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:19,000 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Wilson just go up on the line and say, 1678 01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,400 Speaker 1: oh shoot, and everyone laughs on set. It'd be so 1679 01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:25,280 Speaker 1: funny to see more bloopers now for film. I don't 1680 01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,479 Speaker 1: think so, honey. And that's one minute. I think. I 1681 01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:31,160 Speaker 1: think the fact that all cinema is mc you now 1682 01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:35,360 Speaker 1: is maybe the reason why you're telling you. And there 1683 01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:39,439 Speaker 1: are Marvel bloopers though the Door or something like the 1684 01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,920 Speaker 1: on the funny ones. They do not do bloopers in 1685 01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,760 Speaker 1: their credit they do, but one. That's what I'm saying. 1686 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:51,320 Speaker 1: It's okay, I will say. I will say that there 1687 01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:55,960 Speaker 1: was a request to create a blooper reel and I 1688 01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,080 Speaker 1: don't know what happened to it. Well, who requested it? 1689 01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,519 Speaker 1: It was Searchlight requested it, and and our assistant editor, 1690 01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:05,800 Speaker 1: Matthew Buckley, he like, I was gonna put it together 1691 01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,360 Speaker 1: and I don't know what happened. Well, we follow up. 1692 01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,479 Speaker 1: We gotta follow up. That's the thing you have to do. 1693 01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:15,320 Speaker 1: Follow up. Give us the give us the bloopers. Why 1694 01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,519 Speaker 1: don't you I have I have I have two options. 1695 01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,360 Speaker 1: I told you mine earlier today, Matt It has nothing 1696 01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:21,800 Speaker 1: to do with the movie. When has something to do 1697 01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:25,519 Speaker 1: with the movie, I'll do the one. We're all here, 1698 01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,240 Speaker 1: this is what we're never gonna do. This is a 1699 01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:28,840 Speaker 1: once in a lifetime opportunity. This is a once in 1700 01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:34,879 Speaker 1: a lifetime podcast event. Taylor Swift episode of This is Bonang. 1701 01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:36,800 Speaker 1: Think so honey, this time starts now. I don't think 1702 01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,080 Speaker 1: so honey. People saying, oh, if I see the Fire 1703 01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,599 Speaker 1: Island trailer on, you know, in my fucking algorithm again, 1704 01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,639 Speaker 1: I'll kill myself or whatever the fuck. Stop being gay online? 1705 01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:50,760 Speaker 1: Then it's your algorithm. Don't blame the movie, blame your algorithm. 1706 01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:55,160 Speaker 1: Stop typing in Andrew Christian Jockstrap on Google. Stop typing 1707 01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:59,080 Speaker 1: in Caroline poet check Carle ray Jepson mash up on SoundCloud. 1708 01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,000 Speaker 1: It's your for being a faggot so that you can 1709 01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:05,680 Speaker 1: get served up this trailer. It's almost gonna be out. 1710 01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,720 Speaker 1: It's gonna end soon. This is just temporary, I promise you. 1711 01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,080 Speaker 1: And look, I'm not actually telling to be less guy 1712 01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,000 Speaker 1: on the internet. I'm just saying, like, it's fine. We 1713 01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:18,280 Speaker 1: all get personalized ads that like our attacks. All ads 1714 01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:22,479 Speaker 1: are attacks in this personalized world that we're in. I'm 1715 01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,760 Speaker 1: getting like shapewear ads, which I'm actually okay with because 1716 01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:27,680 Speaker 1: my stylist has has gotten me onto them and they 1717 01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:31,160 Speaker 1: actually are and they don't. They don't have to be gendered. 1718 01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:33,200 Speaker 1: Are we doing here? They don't. I don't think so 1719 01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:36,280 Speaker 1: many people. Stop showing me the trailer. Just watch the 1720 01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:40,240 Speaker 1: movie and that's one minute. It's just it's it's a 1721 01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,120 Speaker 1: problem with the culture and not the film exactly. And 1722 01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,960 Speaker 1: that's with all concerns and the film. It's a problem 1723 01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,040 Speaker 1: with the culture. But there are critics of the film 1724 01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,000 Speaker 1: who are like who are critic who who are critiquing 1725 01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,080 Speaker 1: the film based on things that are about the culture 1726 01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:55,000 Speaker 1: and not the movie literally, like the drugs and that 1727 01:34:55,240 --> 01:35:02,280 Speaker 1: that that actually sucks. Keep it in the therapy session, Mom, mom, Mama, house. Hey, listen, 1728 01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:06,840 Speaker 1: stop googling Caroline Politech, Carlay Japson, Nash. If you don't 1729 01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:09,240 Speaker 1: want to watch the Fire Island trailer, then listen to 1730 01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,560 Speaker 1: Caroline Polittuck on Spotify only where they don't follow you. 1731 01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:16,160 Speaker 1: And then that's your cookies off. Turn off the cookies 1732 01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:20,240 Speaker 1: now said, can I see my uh my favorite thing 1733 01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:22,320 Speaker 1: about your I don't think so, honey from a few 1734 01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:28,400 Speaker 1: weeks ago with Michelle Yo the Coco Lee not winning 1735 01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:33,439 Speaker 1: the Oscar for a Love before time. Uh so no, no, no, 1736 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,479 Speaker 1: so I have a fun story about that. So I 1737 01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:40,800 Speaker 1: worked with James Schamus on Driveways um, and he was 1738 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:44,360 Speaker 1: a producer on Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and he co 1739 01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:49,439 Speaker 1: wrote a Love before Time um and uh. And I 1740 01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:52,479 Speaker 1: told James, I was like, I love that song, like 1741 01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,799 Speaker 1: I love that song and he told me that before 1742 01:35:55,840 --> 01:36:00,280 Speaker 1: the Oscars he was waiting in the green room with 1743 01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:07,280 Speaker 1: Angle and then the show yeah and uh and uh. 1744 01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,080 Speaker 1: James was like, God, like, what if what if I 1745 01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,920 Speaker 1: win for for a song? Wouldn't that be hilarious? And 1746 01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:18,960 Speaker 1: ang was like, I didn't vote for you, Dylan. I 1747 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:23,360 Speaker 1: think he voted for Bob Dylan. That's so I don't 1748 01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:26,360 Speaker 1: think so, honey flop. So that helps us if you 1749 01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:28,639 Speaker 1: say that Angry is a flop on this podcast today, 1750 01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:32,519 Speaker 1: that's what you're saying loving. We've all been saying wedding, banquet, winning, 1751 01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:37,040 Speaker 1: bank winning banquet, suppressed cycle. I'll say it, hulk flop 1752 01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:43,639 Speaker 1: Flop was misusing. Jennifer Connelly is she misused. I saw 1753 01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:45,800 Speaker 1: top Gun and she I saw top Gunnaverick the other 1754 01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,600 Speaker 1: day and she definitely has like highlights in it and 1755 01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,240 Speaker 1: sort of a slang my hair party about top gun Naverick. 1756 01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,920 Speaker 1: Is she She's like a sailor and then she sails 1757 01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,080 Speaker 1: a boat and then they got off and her hair 1758 01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,960 Speaker 1: is perfect. She's like, all right, come on, like Jennifer Connleys, 1759 01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:01,880 Speaker 1: she gave more than I thought she was going to 1760 01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:07,639 Speaker 1: give her Do you think so? I love her? Love 1761 01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:12,400 Speaker 1: Jennifer beautiful mind? Is beautiful mind? God so gorgeous? In 1762 01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:16,880 Speaker 1: that movie? Uh? What is it? Uh? The Kate Winslet 1763 01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:24,640 Speaker 1: film Little Children. She's in the m c U. She is, 1764 01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,080 Speaker 1: but not in Hulk. No wait, wait, who is? She 1765 01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:32,559 Speaker 1: plays the new voice of Captain America's excuse me, Iron 1766 01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:37,240 Speaker 1: Man ai and which is funny because Paul Bettany was 1767 01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,880 Speaker 1: the original voice of the day I and is married 1768 01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:45,679 Speaker 1: to Jennifer who they're married, Queen, didn't bet you didn't 1769 01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,240 Speaker 1: know that? I bet you goes back to the depth 1770 01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:53,600 Speaker 1: heard trial, Paul Betts. God, we haven't even sorry. I 1771 01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,800 Speaker 1: didn't even mean to bring it. Okay. Next up we 1772 01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,240 Speaker 1: have Andrew on Andrew on this is I don't think so. 1773 01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:02,760 Speaker 1: Are you ready? H I think so? Yeah, Andrews, I 1774 01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:04,960 Speaker 1: don't think so many As time starts now, I don't 1775 01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,719 Speaker 1: think so, honey. The meme format tell me blah blah 1776 01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:10,600 Speaker 1: blah without telling me black. You know what that is? 1777 01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,599 Speaker 1: You know what that is. That's just show me, that's 1778 01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:17,040 Speaker 1: just show just they show me that your boyfriend is 1779 01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:19,120 Speaker 1: never going to leave you, or like show me that 1780 01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:22,240 Speaker 1: your cat is clingy? Right Like, I don't think so, honey, 1781 01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,960 Speaker 1: take a writing class. I don't. I don't think so honey. 1782 01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:28,400 Speaker 1: Read a writing book The Elements of Style by Drunk 1783 01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:32,200 Speaker 1: and White. I don't just drop elements of style. You 1784 01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:34,400 Speaker 1: know who the white is. That is PB White, the 1785 01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:37,120 Speaker 1: writer of Charlotte's Web. He knows how to write a 1786 01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:40,200 Speaker 1: good book. I don't think so, honey. Could you imagine 1787 01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:44,240 Speaker 1: if Charlotte had to weave out, uh tell me you're 1788 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:49,400 Speaker 1: some pig with she would be dead. She would be 1789 01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:55,320 Speaker 1: dead the Wilbur Wilburt like in the Slaughterhouse, totally dead 1790 01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:58,040 Speaker 1: side of Bacon. I don't think, so, honey. Tell me 1791 01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,840 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, use let words. And that's 1792 01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:04,760 Speaker 1: when minute I think. Didn't Charlotte die? She didn't. She 1793 01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,320 Speaker 1: passed away, passed away. That's actually one of the saddest 1794 01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:10,400 Speaker 1: animal deaths. A spider now less. Yeah, I rack and death. 1795 01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,200 Speaker 1: Who knew we could connect to someone? So? And that's 1796 01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,240 Speaker 1: the magic of eat White and therefore take the Gotham 1797 01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:21,400 Speaker 1: writer's workshop courses. Hey, where's the gay reboot of Charlotte's 1798 01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:30,080 Speaker 1: Web with with Templeton? So pathetic because your tongue came 1799 01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:36,200 Speaker 1: all the way out of your mouth. I forgot I 1800 01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:38,960 Speaker 1: had to do this. What what are you talking about? 1801 01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:44,080 Speaker 1: I always forget. Yeah, I think always had something. But 1802 01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:47,400 Speaker 1: is an icon of the form. He's done some incredible 1803 01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:52,120 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, this is I don't think 1804 01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:55,320 Speaker 1: so honey. Time starts now, I don't think so honey. Subtitles. 1805 01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,519 Speaker 1: I've been watching you. I've been watching you, and I 1806 01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,400 Speaker 1: don't like what you're bringing to the table. Subtitles. Okay, 1807 01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,400 Speaker 1: because listen, I don't want to read while I'm watching. 1808 01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:06,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to read while I'm watching. And I 1809 01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,760 Speaker 1: know that subtitles aren't necessarily for me, okay, but I 1810 01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:12,800 Speaker 1: don't like the embellishment. I don't like the editorializing that 1811 01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:16,200 Speaker 1: subtitles sometimes to beholden to do. When I'm watching my 1812 01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:18,840 Speaker 1: friend Matt Rogers on a show called I Love That 1813 01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:22,519 Speaker 1: for You, I do not want to see sassily laughs Okay, 1814 01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:26,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to see derisive snort let me be 1815 01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,240 Speaker 1: the judge visually of what the snort is doing. I 1816 01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:33,880 Speaker 1: don't need your help. Subtitles, step aside, step titles, okay, 1817 01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:36,880 Speaker 1: because I don't like you. I don't like what you bring. 1818 01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:40,439 Speaker 1: If I wanted to read a book, I would read 1819 01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:43,320 Speaker 1: a book. Okay, that's not what I want to do. 1820 01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:45,880 Speaker 1: You're distracting. I'm looking at the bottom of the screen. 1821 01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:47,559 Speaker 1: I should be looking at the eyes of my friend 1822 01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,120 Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, and I love that. For you. I do 1823 01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:51,760 Speaker 1: not need to know that he's gay. I can tell 1824 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,680 Speaker 1: from his movements, and I don't think can I say 1825 01:40:54,760 --> 01:41:01,200 Speaker 1: something sports sassis The word sassie is inherently homophobic in 1826 01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:03,519 Speaker 1: such a dark way. And also the character that I 1827 01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:07,599 Speaker 1: play on that show is not not sassy, he's dry. 1828 01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:11,120 Speaker 1: Would you describe me as sassy on that show? I 1829 01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,200 Speaker 1: would say what your arms are doing? Or sassy, but 1830 01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:18,759 Speaker 1: not your voice. But not keeople writing the subtitles sometimes 1831 01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:23,200 Speaker 1: take they take liberties, and they're not okay. No, Honestly, 1832 01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:25,280 Speaker 1: if a straight character laughed the way I laughed on 1833 01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:27,640 Speaker 1: that show, it would not be called sassily laugh. I 1834 01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:33,240 Speaker 1: hate sassy. I hate subtitle pass on fire. Wait, look 1835 01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:37,000 Speaker 1: at that wait, can I say to wait, what sassy 1836 01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,840 Speaker 1: fact walks into room? That's what's gonna say, under every 1837 01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,720 Speaker 1: under every word. I can't remember what subtitle we were 1838 01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:44,720 Speaker 1: watching the other day, but actually the artists behind the 1839 01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,720 Speaker 1: subtitles were actually really good. Because someone said, oh, it 1840 01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,880 Speaker 1: was drag Race. Someone called the Mona called herself a 1841 01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:55,640 Speaker 1: thick queen and they spelled it correctly at th h 1842 01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:59,080 Speaker 1: I C and I was like, good job girls, good 1843 01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:02,960 Speaker 1: job girls. Quarrels. But it's when they describe something in 1844 01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:06,840 Speaker 1: brackets that's when they think well, and sometimes they're just 1845 01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:09,600 Speaker 1: they're just playing wrong and they don't circle back. I 1846 01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:12,160 Speaker 1: love to catch the mistakes, but it's a distraction from 1847 01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:13,599 Speaker 1: what I'm there to do because I'm not there to read. 1848 01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm there watching. You can't get the intimacy. Do you 1849 01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:19,120 Speaker 1: watch drag Race? Are you watching All Winners? I'm I'm 1850 01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:21,320 Speaker 1: watching all Let's get the people what they want to 1851 01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:24,560 Speaker 1: talk about it. Let's get listen nobody. I guarantee you 1852 01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,479 Speaker 1: nobody wanted to hear us blather on about our fucking movie. 1853 01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,519 Speaker 1: They wanted to hear us talk about All Winners. We 1854 01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,080 Speaker 1: said it with a two hour episode, and what are 1855 01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:39,200 Speaker 1: your thoughts. I mean so far, like the love has 1856 01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:42,839 Speaker 1: been spread right, like no one has more than one star, legendary, 1857 01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:46,600 Speaker 1: legendary legend stars. I love it when they're dumb, but 1858 01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean like Jinks obviously Slade, uh snatch game like 1859 01:42:53,080 --> 01:43:00,360 Speaker 1: amazing the ball was cool, random ass theme, but yeah, 1860 01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:04,040 Speaker 1: Vanna is the thing is the gag of Vanna surprising 1861 01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:07,240 Speaker 1: them was very funny, but as a category, it's not 1862 01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:10,439 Speaker 1: super interesting. It's like downs, who was it that? Like, 1863 01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:14,760 Speaker 1: did it Evie well? And I think they had to 1864 01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:18,120 Speaker 1: cut it weird because Evie just didn't do the assignment 1865 01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,679 Speaker 1: at all, and so like if I were Vana Wett, 1866 01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,640 Speaker 1: I'd be offended when Evie walked out in a gigantic 1867 01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,040 Speaker 1: red big and again and not even a gown that 1868 01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,360 Speaker 1: Vanna would ever wear on that show, like just completely 1869 01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:33,640 Speaker 1: disregarded it. And I have to say, Okay, I do 1870 01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:36,880 Speaker 1: like the non elimination format. I think if this is 1871 01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:40,080 Speaker 1: how this is how we get actual stars and actual 1872 01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:42,519 Speaker 1: talent back on the show, then by god, let's do 1873 01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:45,160 Speaker 1: all stars in this way, not even all winners, regular 1874 01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:47,439 Speaker 1: all stars so we can see the gs. We can 1875 01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:50,439 Speaker 1: see Asian Kim che back, you know, like We're never 1876 01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:52,360 Speaker 1: gonna get those people back because they have no reason 1877 01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:56,800 Speaker 1: to sully their their non winner, but still good you know, 1878 01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:59,960 Speaker 1: reputation by going home early. I don't need to see 1879 01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,800 Speaker 1: Serena Chatcha back on my screen. No, actually not an 1880 01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:04,559 Speaker 1: all star. And we say that with all the love 1881 01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:06,800 Speaker 1: and respect to know, and I'm sure she listens, but listen, 1882 01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:10,599 Speaker 1: it is tough. I think also in terms of all 1883 01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:16,320 Speaker 1: winners right now, Oh, I think that because the better 1884 01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:19,360 Speaker 1: tread carefully bit, No, I lost it. What was I 1885 01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:21,800 Speaker 1: gonna say? Oh yeah, this is the thing that I 1886 01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:23,640 Speaker 1: somebody else on our groups that I've noticed this and 1887 01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,920 Speaker 1: I agree, is that it sucks. Raja has been third 1888 01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:30,320 Speaker 1: in every episode, so Raja has solidly been in third, 1889 01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:32,880 Speaker 1: and then some might argue second. I actually think that 1890 01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,519 Speaker 1: she should have been in the top two for Snatch 1891 01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:40,000 Speaker 1: Game over Trinity. Oh my god. I thought what she 1892 01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:44,760 Speaker 1: did was better, funnier and more interesting than that was. 1893 01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:50,240 Speaker 1: The makeup work on both of her characters was insane. 1894 01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,160 Speaker 1: I think it was smarter. I think that gay Satan 1895 01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:56,400 Speaker 1: was not an interesting enough take. It was, It didn't 1896 01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:58,160 Speaker 1: it was first thought, it didn't go to the second 1897 01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,599 Speaker 1: line returns after like the what kind of gay person? 1898 01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:05,080 Speaker 1: You know, like give me some more specificity there than 1899 01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:08,240 Speaker 1: just gay, like southern gay guy, which you are, Trinity. 1900 01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:11,760 Speaker 1: And then also I thought Leslie Jordan was great. I 1901 01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:16,680 Speaker 1: think the funniest part of the entire episode was I 1902 01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:21,560 Speaker 1: think she I think that, I think honestly, and I 1903 01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,800 Speaker 1: get it, like Raja was excellent at the snatch game, 1904 01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:26,559 Speaker 1: like that was so much better than I think anyone 1905 01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:30,240 Speaker 1: thought was gonna be. But I just think Trinity was. 1906 01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:34,880 Speaker 1: There were more jokes Raja had that she was playing, 1907 01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:38,120 Speaker 1: and Raja looked fast. And I also thought that Madam 1908 01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:42,639 Speaker 1: was really good and the transformations, like she probably could 1909 01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:45,000 Speaker 1: have been top two on that alone, I thought, I thought. 1910 01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:46,840 Speaker 1: And I also thought Roger did better at the runway 1911 01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:49,800 Speaker 1: and but again runway on that show, it like sometimes counts, 1912 01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:52,120 Speaker 1: it sometimes doesn't matter. Like the reason Roger wasn't in 1913 01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:55,559 Speaker 1: the top for the ball was because of Olivia, which 1914 01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,280 Speaker 1: I liked that. I thought that was smart, you know, 1915 01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:00,200 Speaker 1: like I get I get that it was like so old, 1916 01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:04,320 Speaker 1: but it's perfect. It didn't read honestly, I think had 1917 01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:08,160 Speaker 1: had had she come out and like was sandy from 1918 01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:11,600 Speaker 1: the neck down, and like really, John Waters face like 1919 01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:14,120 Speaker 1: a no wig, like we would have gotten it because 1920 01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:16,439 Speaker 1: Roger could have gotten taken it all the way with 1921 01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:18,439 Speaker 1: the John Waters face and the cookiness of the face 1922 01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:21,360 Speaker 1: and like given Sandy body. But I don't know. I 1923 01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,280 Speaker 1: just think that it wasn't thought out well enough and 1924 01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:28,360 Speaker 1: for someone that watches every single runway to not know 1925 01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:32,760 Speaker 1: that that mustache wasn't going to read. Shout out to 1926 01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:35,760 Speaker 1: my boyfriend friend of the pod, John Michael Centina. He 1927 01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,640 Speaker 1: said she should have done. And I agree Olivia and 1928 01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:45,960 Speaker 1: johnsho Volta, Yeah, that would have been so good. Yes, 1929 01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:48,679 Speaker 1: Oh that would have been that's like right there. Yeah, 1930 01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:50,960 Speaker 1: it's like it would have been a slay and she 1931 01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:52,720 Speaker 1: would have won because she had the best fan of 1932 01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,080 Speaker 1: and she had the best and the best like original 1933 01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,200 Speaker 1: made dressed. Then again, and Jada, let's not take it 1934 01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:06,240 Speaker 1: away from Jada Jada, and so was Trinity Trinity, although 1935 01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:09,599 Speaker 1: Trinity gives me the impression that I kind of feel 1936 01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,000 Speaker 1: like Trinity have that design ready to go and was 1937 01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:16,880 Speaker 1: like gonna make that dress no matter like she's like 1938 01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,880 Speaker 1: I've got something like in my back pocket, which not 1939 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,840 Speaker 1: to take away it's in saying that she made that 1940 01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:23,920 Speaker 1: in their day, like no matter how she came to 1941 01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:25,600 Speaker 1: the show with it. But like, and I think I 1942 01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:27,559 Speaker 1: think a couple of the contestants would have done well 1943 01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:29,320 Speaker 1: to have thought it a little bit more in an 1944 01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:30,880 Speaker 1: advance about what they were going to design for a 1945 01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:34,920 Speaker 1: Ball Challenge. But yeah, I'm just gonna say, I'm a 1946 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:38,920 Speaker 1: feeling Jada is really going to blow us all away. 1947 01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:43,920 Speaker 1: You think so, Yeah, I underdog narrative, underdog narrative. She's so, 1948 01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,920 Speaker 1: She's always she was always impressive her season afil she 1949 01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:49,760 Speaker 1: only lives think to ones, I think yes, and I 1950 01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:53,040 Speaker 1: just I've I've really enjoyed it. It is. It's hard 1951 01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,400 Speaker 1: to it's hard to gauge with her because she does 1952 01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:58,920 Speaker 1: well and like obviously she did want the Ball Challenge 1953 01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:00,600 Speaker 1: her first season, she was in the top for that 1954 01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,599 Speaker 1: and so like design that's there, but like it's one 1955 01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:06,439 Speaker 1: of those things with like Simone were like she did 1956 01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:08,360 Speaker 1: good on a lot of she's a funny and she 1957 01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:10,439 Speaker 1: did good on a lot of the comedy challenges, but 1958 01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:12,920 Speaker 1: flopped on some of the other comedy challenges. And it's 1959 01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:15,080 Speaker 1: the same with Jada, where Jada is very funny, but 1960 01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:18,639 Speaker 1: like is like sort of flopping on some comedy challenges 1961 01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:20,720 Speaker 1: and not others. I don't. I don't. It's it's she's 1962 01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:23,240 Speaker 1: a wild card, because like I think she's amazing, she's 1963 01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:25,880 Speaker 1: one of my favorite winners, but like I don't know 1964 01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:28,800 Speaker 1: how she's going to do here. Yeah, it's I think 1965 01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:32,479 Speaker 1: the only person and I I'm sort of on record, 1966 01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:35,840 Speaker 1: I am not an Evy oddly fan, and I think 1967 01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,439 Speaker 1: she's the only person that's like not measuring up. But 1968 01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:41,479 Speaker 1: I will say I like Evie. I like Evie better 1969 01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:43,759 Speaker 1: on this season than I did on her original season 1970 01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:48,000 Speaker 1: because it feels like she is like not necessarily there 1971 01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:49,880 Speaker 1: to compete as much as she is there to have fun. 1972 01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't think Evie. I don't think Evie expects to win. 1973 01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:55,519 Speaker 1: I think Evie is there to do her, which I 1974 01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:57,479 Speaker 1: sort of like because the reason I didn't like her 1975 01:48:57,479 --> 01:49:00,640 Speaker 1: on season eleven, and she was so overly competitive and 1976 01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:02,879 Speaker 1: there was just an edge to her, like a competitive 1977 01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:04,479 Speaker 1: edge to her, which I was just like I think 1978 01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,479 Speaker 1: took Maybe it was the edit, but it went too far. 1979 01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:10,439 Speaker 1: And now it's just like to see a fun side 1980 01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:13,600 Speaker 1: of Evie, Like it makes me feel like less on 1981 01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:16,280 Speaker 1: edge watching. Well, here's the difference too. I think is 1982 01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:19,840 Speaker 1: that like Evie was on an extremely non competitive season, 1983 01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:22,439 Speaker 1: and so like the thing is is, like you can 1984 01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:24,840 Speaker 1: be annoyed that Evie was like calling out the competitors 1985 01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:28,280 Speaker 1: for not doing well, but the fact was they weren't 1986 01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:31,360 Speaker 1: doing well and Evie was doing well. And so like 1987 01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,480 Speaker 1: beyond Brooklyn Heights on that season, there was no competition 1988 01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:37,600 Speaker 1: for Evie, and like now there is, and so I 1989 01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:39,799 Speaker 1: think she doesn't have that like chip on her shoulder 1990 01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:42,160 Speaker 1: because she's not. She's competing against people who are good 1991 01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:45,120 Speaker 1: now and like she's like learning and there's like she 1992 01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,200 Speaker 1: she even said it in an untucked this last time, 1993 01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:50,120 Speaker 1: she's like glad to finally be like making friends with 1994 01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:52,280 Speaker 1: the girls that she's competing with, because I think she 1995 01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:54,240 Speaker 1: respects them and she didn't respect the girls she was 1996 01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,160 Speaker 1: competing with the last time. And I will say, Monee 1997 01:49:57,400 --> 01:50:01,719 Speaker 1: is doing great. I actually you feel like because because 1998 01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:05,040 Speaker 1: of the plunger, it's like the people that are perceived 1999 01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:07,840 Speaker 1: as the front runners are gonna get sucked over. And 2000 01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,720 Speaker 1: I think you because I think she has a really 2001 01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:14,200 Speaker 1: good shot at it unless she keeps getting blocked. And 2002 01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,880 Speaker 1: I think that it's the same with Jens. I think 2003 01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:19,280 Speaker 1: Jensen Shay are sort of the ones that like everyone's 2004 01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:22,599 Speaker 1: looking at the yeah, because they are sort of all 2005 01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:25,960 Speaker 1: around good, like they each have like one weakness. I 2006 01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:29,360 Speaker 1: think everybody. Trinity is maybe the one though, that is 2007 01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:33,040 Speaker 1: probably poised to do the best because she is sort 2008 01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:36,000 Speaker 1: of like, I don't know she's the best in all categories, 2009 01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:38,960 Speaker 1: but she's competent at least in most of the categories. Well, 2010 01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:42,839 Speaker 1: we have seen her do extremely well in comedy and fashion, 2011 01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:47,200 Speaker 1: whereas like with Shay, and it's never been more clear 2012 01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:51,680 Speaker 1: to me than this season, how fucking stunning is like 2013 01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,720 Speaker 1: in and out of drag and good at the competition, 2014 01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,400 Speaker 1: like good at the Game of Dragons, Yes, but the 2015 01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:00,400 Speaker 1: comedy is sometimes a little dodgy. Yeah. I think she's 2016 01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:04,200 Speaker 1: a very smart, serious person yea ultimately yeah, but like 2017 01:51:05,120 --> 01:51:08,160 Speaker 1: an incredible competitor. Unbelievable, I mean, like and hits the 2018 01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:12,720 Speaker 1: runway and it's just like like that that everything out 2019 01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,200 Speaker 1: that crown, like the royalty look that they had to do. 2020 01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,000 Speaker 1: The first week, I was like, this is so and 2021 01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:20,000 Speaker 1: you have to have such an eye and taste to 2022 01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:22,560 Speaker 1: put that together because it's like it doesn't seem like 2023 01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:26,080 Speaker 1: it would go commanding. And then way she walked with 2024 01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:31,160 Speaker 1: Naomi campbellt in front of and you could just tell 2025 01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:36,800 Speaker 1: how meaningful that was. Yeah, well, we love this really 2026 01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:39,160 Speaker 1: quick top four for all of you. Who's who's getting 2027 01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:42,160 Speaker 1: the most legendary legend stars? And I think I'm gonna 2028 01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:48,840 Speaker 1: say Jenks, Trinity Shay, I hope Raja, I hope raj 2029 01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:53,840 Speaker 1: gets in there. I'm gonna say Jinks, Trinity, Shay and Money. 2030 01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:56,880 Speaker 1: That's where it's headed because because again for the well 2031 01:51:57,000 --> 01:52:00,439 Speaker 1: rounded thing, because Money really figured out the fashion. Sometimes 2032 01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:02,479 Speaker 1: she comes out and doesn't look right, like her van 2033 01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:07,000 Speaker 1: a white was not right, but but like there's times 2034 01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:10,120 Speaker 1: when Money hits the I think they were all genuinely 2035 01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:14,120 Speaker 1: except for Raja and maybe Jada and Trinity. I think 2036 01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:16,200 Speaker 1: they were all a little bored with that and we're like, 2037 01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,280 Speaker 1: we don't want to do this because I do think 2038 01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:23,040 Speaker 1: looked great. It was just not the category and like 2039 01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:25,439 Speaker 1: it's kind of rude to have Vana stand there, and 2040 01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:30,000 Speaker 1: then they were like, oh funk, I'm not completely because 2041 01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:32,479 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do this. Each was giving Junior 2042 01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:35,320 Speaker 1: problem in a way that was by the way they 2043 01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:38,040 Speaker 1: uploaded the clip. The just the van a white portion 2044 01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:41,120 Speaker 1: of the runway and the title of the video is 2045 01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:45,960 Speaker 1: van A White Scares drag Race, and it's like, that's 2046 01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:54,000 Speaker 1: not what she was doing. It's surprised surprises if it 2047 01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:57,479 Speaker 1: really was a cut to like fucking like Raja being 2048 01:52:57,560 --> 01:53:03,280 Speaker 1: like that was it was so scared. When I saw 2049 01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:07,680 Speaker 1: Vana's reaction was like super they all were. They all 2050 01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:12,240 Speaker 1: were very funny. Yeah, except I'm actually not entirely sure 2051 01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:15,680 Speaker 1: that Evie recognized Vana White four van A White right right, 2052 01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,600 Speaker 1: which is like, oh, some some chic lady. And I 2053 01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:21,320 Speaker 1: think I feel like the Vivian didn't recognize me. But 2054 01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:24,639 Speaker 1: that's just a cultural I mean, Vivian is doing good. 2055 01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:32,360 Speaker 1: Yeah my Shay Jinks Trinity. I think Mona is gonna 2056 01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:35,080 Speaker 1: make it. Yeah, where are the same? I'm gonna say 2057 01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,080 Speaker 1: it's funny. People keep talking about how Monai is playing 2058 01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:42,040 Speaker 1: the social game very well, and I don't actually know 2059 01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:45,160 Speaker 1: that how much she keeps saying it's gay Survivor. I'm like, no, 2060 01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:47,880 Speaker 1: that was all Stars like four or five sex, Like 2061 01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:51,680 Speaker 1: this is not how Survivors. It's just so funny that 2062 01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:55,400 Speaker 1: like these alliances are happening and there's and then everybody 2063 01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:57,720 Speaker 1: keeps like being like, are you in an alliance, like 2064 01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:02,000 Speaker 1: they keep eaves driving someone who actually like Love Survivor. 2065 01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:04,360 Speaker 1: I love these queens who have a baseline understanding of 2066 01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:06,000 Speaker 1: the show, like girl, we need to do it a lot, 2067 01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:10,040 Speaker 1: and it's just like, what does that mean? Don't for 2068 01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:15,320 Speaker 1: each other? And I love and Shay completely, like just 2069 01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,439 Speaker 1: with like a couple interrogating it just a little bit, 2070 01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:21,920 Speaker 1: it like falls apart, like so you don't want us 2071 01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:23,960 Speaker 1: to vote for you, and you're saying this now that 2072 01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:27,040 Speaker 1: you already have a start and money is like maybe 2073 01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:35,240 Speaker 1: maybe that's what it is. Minor Jinks, Jay Trinity, And 2074 01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Jada because here's the I don't think 2075 01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:43,400 Speaker 1: they will block Jada, like I think that the pattern 2076 01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:45,440 Speaker 1: has been blocked the person who won the week before. 2077 01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:47,760 Speaker 1: I do not think next week, whoever wins, is going 2078 01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,480 Speaker 1: to block Jada interesting and I think that that will 2079 01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:53,400 Speaker 1: give her an opportunity to bake it back up and surprise, 2080 01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:55,440 Speaker 1: because again she's a little unpredictable. I think she is 2081 01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:58,280 Speaker 1: considered maybe one of the underdogs of the season, and 2082 01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:01,680 Speaker 1: I think that like no one whoever next week, it's 2083 01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:04,200 Speaker 1: it's a comedy challenge, so it's probably gonna be Trinity, 2084 01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:08,040 Speaker 1: Jinks money, and I don't think any of them are 2085 01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:10,400 Speaker 1: gonna block, but the trailer made it seem that they 2086 01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:13,560 Speaker 1: all did really well. True, So okay, the only reason 2087 01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:16,920 Speaker 1: I hope for Raja is that well for obvious reasons, 2088 01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:18,200 Speaker 1: but I think the show it's in the interest of 2089 01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:20,200 Speaker 1: the show maybe to have Raja in the last the 2090 01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:22,560 Speaker 1: top four, because it's like I think, I think it's 2091 01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:24,320 Speaker 1: so cool that Jenks is being introduced to like this 2092 01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:26,520 Speaker 1: new audience. In a way, I feel like it's there's 2093 01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:31,040 Speaker 1: something cool for them to have an old quote unquote winner. 2094 01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:33,560 Speaker 1: Well here's the thing though, I wonder though, because it's 2095 01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:35,600 Speaker 1: a lip sync SmackDown at the end, there's always the 2096 01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:38,160 Speaker 1: calculus of like who's gonna put on the best show? 2097 01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:40,960 Speaker 1: You know? And I wonder, I do wonder, like if 2098 01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:44,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna consider that because I wonder what the thing 2099 01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:48,440 Speaker 1: is is Raja has adjusted to the game that it 2100 01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:51,200 Speaker 1: is that this show is now better than I think 2101 01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:54,240 Speaker 1: anyone could have expected of. It's completely different. It's a 2102 01:55:54,280 --> 01:55:57,200 Speaker 1: completely different show now and she's slaying it every single week, 2103 01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:00,040 Speaker 1: and like stuff like the first challenge for the it 2104 01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:02,720 Speaker 1: that was not something that they did in her season. 2105 01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:05,680 Speaker 1: I mean they did like the single like punk Rock 2106 01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:08,240 Speaker 1: Challenge or whatever that music challenge, but beyond that, they 2107 01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:10,800 Speaker 1: didn't do the like the verses that they have to 2108 01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:12,480 Speaker 1: do now and the dancing that they have to do now, 2109 01:56:12,720 --> 01:56:15,400 Speaker 1: and Snatch Game is very different from her first Snatch Game. 2110 01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:17,160 Speaker 1: The bar has been risen, Like I just think that, 2111 01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:20,080 Speaker 1: like she's doing so much better and even if she 2112 01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:22,600 Speaker 1: doesn't win, it's a it's a big win for Rajah 2113 01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:27,320 Speaker 1: coming back on bring Back Bbisa, Harmony Um. I want 2114 01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:28,760 Speaker 1: to what I want to see if it's if it's 2115 01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:30,640 Speaker 1: not winners and we go forward, I want to see 2116 01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:33,440 Speaker 1: kim Chi Asia like you said, I want to see 2117 01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:37,040 Speaker 1: um yeah, G G good. I want to see Brooklyn 2118 01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:41,040 Speaker 1: Heights got I want to see honestly, Cameron Michaels. I 2119 01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:47,480 Speaker 1: want to see Dieter. It's still top five one of 2120 01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:52,000 Speaker 1: the best things that Yeah, that lip sync is, or 2121 01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:53,720 Speaker 1: at least the lip sync Assasin. I can't believe she 2122 01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:56,760 Speaker 1: hasn't been brought as that is an assassin. Also not 2123 01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:59,800 Speaker 1: for nothing but Queen from last season that that made 2124 01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:06,040 Speaker 1: the hop for um God God Aeria Angeria. I would 2125 01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:09,600 Speaker 1: love to see back like I could see Angeria coming 2126 01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:12,560 Speaker 1: back even without the incentive and no eliminations, because I 2127 01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:14,720 Speaker 1: think she would do well. Yeah, and Lady Kimda won't 2128 01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:16,680 Speaker 1: be great. I mean the last season was strong, maybe 2129 01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:19,920 Speaker 1: Rose like you know what I mean, Like like there's 2130 01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:21,560 Speaker 1: a lot of queens from that season. Candy me us 2131 01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:23,880 Speaker 1: should come back, Like, but I think you are going 2132 01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:25,920 Speaker 1: to get more interest if you're not going to eliminate them. 2133 01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:28,760 Speaker 1: This looks fun this season. If I'm a former contestant, 2134 01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:31,320 Speaker 1: it looks fun to do and like we as an 2135 01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:34,360 Speaker 1: audience are having a lot of fun watching. Yeah, because 2136 01:57:34,360 --> 01:57:37,680 Speaker 1: it's better when the people competing are better and Jinks 2137 01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:40,320 Speaker 1: can be like I hate my dress and laugh and 2138 01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:42,560 Speaker 1: not be worried that was so funny and not be 2139 01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:44,200 Speaker 1: like I hit my dress and I'm worried that my 2140 01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:46,680 Speaker 1: reputation is going down in flames like the god. Yeah, 2141 01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean the only stakes for them are humiliation. Yes, 2142 01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:52,360 Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, it's cool though, I love it, love 2143 01:57:52,720 --> 01:57:58,520 Speaker 1: drag grace it well. Joel Andrew, thank you so much. 2144 01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:00,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for being here on La School Truesas. What 2145 01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:04,160 Speaker 1: do you have to say to us? Um? The acting 2146 01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:09,400 Speaker 1: was so good. We end every episode of the song 2147 01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:14,680 Speaker 1: you tell me you're in love with me, I think 2148 01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:19,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna take a bit it from me. It's not 2149 01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:25,000 Speaker 1: that I don't wn to stay every time you come 2150 01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:33,680 Speaker 1: to say for the rest of that song, you gotta 2151 01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:36,680 Speaker 1: listen to the Fire Island movie. What