WEBVTT - Episode 43: Harley Quinn 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.760 Ay, what is up? How you do a nerd vam? 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.159 It's iffy? Why the way? And you're listening to a 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:19.440 nerdificent and across from me as always eels Danny Fernandez. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.239 If I saw you eat like a massive hamburger today, 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.080 it was a fourteen poundburg But yeah, you know, and 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.120 I really it was the whole thing. You know, I 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.160 don't do my how bodies work, you know, I'm learning 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.040 that the hard way. I have had trouble breathing all 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.800 day and you know, I I look, I get it. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.080 You probably burned you know what, You probably burned calories 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.040 trying to eat it. Oh my gosh. Well what was 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.960 so crazy is because you know, you you always wonder 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:49.479 what those cooking shows like, oh what do you do 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.120 after it? And they're just like, okay, are you gonna 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:53.360 take this? And I was like, well, if you guys 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.520 are gonna throw away, yes, you know, like I come 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.720 from that Nigerian heritage, like I was in Nigeria there, 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.040 like you eat the whole cow, you do not any 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.280 of the cabinets for Mexican families too. Yeah, it was 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.640 like a whole thing. Like we were getting yelled at, 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.560 but like she was kind of hustling us. There was 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.920 a lady who was on the property who's like, you're 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.120 not going to eat the how you are going to 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.120 do it away? She assumed because we were Americans. But 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.119 my dad was like, no, we are going to eat 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:17.640 the whole cow. And she was like, I will take 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.200 these cows. And so I was like, oh, she just 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.559 hustled us because she just took some of the meat. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.560 But all right, I gotta respect the hustle. Shout out 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:31.120 if she's listening all the way, I'm gonna Today we 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.479 have a special guest, a little Oh my gosh, this 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.080 is a voice that I've heard most of my life. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.520 And I got to be being in the room with them, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.160 you know, Yeah, I saved it all for the air. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:42.720 I didn't. I didn't want to geek out, But now 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.120 you can't be weirded out because we we have you 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:53.440 on the tape her. The door does have a locked it, 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:59.320 so there's a puzzle you have to figure out before 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:00.640 you get out of here. I think I'm the only 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.680 one in here who hasn't been an escape room because 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.240 I just yeah, I'm bad at puzzles. So I just 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.480 know him because you know, every time, every one of 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.040 my friends who go in escape rooms. There there always 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.520 is that one person. They're like, this guy was so 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.840 dumb and he was slowing down the process. And I 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:16.280 was like, oh, I don't want to be that. I 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.240 don't want to be that person. If you're good at something, 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:19.919 you have value. So it's like, you want to bring 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:21.639 someone that's good at word games, someone's good at math, 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.000 someone's good at puzzle, because oh, I can figure out 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.960 this math question, I can figure out this geography questioner. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.400 Like people that are good at different things are helpful. Okay, cool, Yeah, 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:30.720 And even if you're just having a good time, and 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.639 there are a portion where it's like do a fortnight dance, 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.919 like I haven't seen that, but we need someone that's 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:42.560 buff as hell like or something'll do that like lift 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:48.000 you have to deadlift this up and pounds bookshelf. Yeah, 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.800 we are talking to a woman of in my opinion, 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.560 thousands of voices. I don't know if that's correct, but 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.440 I'm gonna think that it is voice chasers. This week 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:01.760 it was let's see see, but that's only like credited rules. 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.520 You know a lot of times and they're like, hey, 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.200 can you do this extra, little girl? And this little 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.280 guy over here. Yeah, Roger Craig Smith, who you have 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.520 worked with, who I hate you hate canonically hate. Um. 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.320 He was saying that. Yeah. In one show alone, it 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.680 was he was credited as doing a hundred voices in 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.240 one show. Wow, that's because he's not good. So they'll 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.560 be like, oh, give the crappy little word. He can 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.960 say one word or a snort or a gas, you know, 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:27.880 give him the little bit parts that no one will 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.040 care about. Are going to coolip this and send it 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.640 to him directly. We are talking to Tara Straw and 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.120 thank you so much for joining us, and today we 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.200 are covering Harley Quinn. We are covering the history of 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.080 Harley Quinn and kind of what she came to be 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.880 and what she is now. Tara, you voiced back Girl 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.000 before you were Harley. What was that kind of like 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.360 that transition of getting to play essentially a hero In 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.880 my opinion, Harley is still a hero, I guess an 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.480 anti hero. But what was it like switching from back 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:01.360 Girl Barbara Gordon to Harlene. Well, first of all, it 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.400 was so cool to be back Girl. I was like, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.400 I was pretty new in town and there were a 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.400 million people in that casting room like a list celebrities, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.880 huge voice talent. I was like, oh my god. And 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:12.840 when I booked at my agents, like when you know 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:14.760 you still had answering machines, He's like, oh my god, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:16.760 you're the girl. It's the back, You're back girl. I 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.440 was like, oh my god. And then I was in 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.520 the booth with Mark Hamill on one side and Kevin 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.479 Conroy on the other, and I was like, holy crap. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.000 And there was Adrian Barbow and then there was Arlene Sorkin, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.880 who is one of the most beautiful creatures you've ever seen. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:32.080 And her voice is so it's so distinctive and beautiful, 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.760 and the character was created for her. They created Harley 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.039 for her and it's modeled after her. She has a 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.719 similar look and that voice is unmistakable. And watching her 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.080 do her bits with Hammel, like I really was like 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.280 pinching myself every day just to be alongside this greatness. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.040 And um I just always loved her and adored her. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.800 And then when they went into the Arkham Games, they 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.440 brought me in. There wasn't an audition process. They said 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.240 they want to take Harley to a new level, and 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.640 I was terrified because of those those are some pretty 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.600 big boots to fill. And you know, people love their 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.280 actors that create a voice, that make that voice famous, 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.080 which is great. You know, the fans that love us 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.120 were nothing without them, and they get piste off when 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.360 we get replaced, so do we. So you know, it's like, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:19.919 you know, I was really scared because she's such a 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.320 beloved character that Oh my gosh, I hope people love 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.920 my version because they didn't want me to do an impression. 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.360 They wanted me to take what I knew of her 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.279 and then make it my own and blow it out 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.479 for this video game. And I was really really nervous 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:36.760 at that session and to sort of tap into her essence, 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.320 I had her one of her famous lines on my phone, 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.839 so like any time before I'd go into a session, 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.680 I would just be like, you'd think, you have to 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.200 live in with Mr Jail. This time might be used 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.000 to a little pain like That's how I'd get into 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.600 it every time and then build from that. And by 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.080 the way, Arlene was so gracious, Like in the press, 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.640 she said that she had spoken to her husband after 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:59.680 she saw me working like maybe one of the first 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.279 times I bad girl, and she said, if there was 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.640 anyone ever to take over for me. I wanted to 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.080 be Tara. I have not been as gracious to people, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:14.400 but she was just a doll, and I feel so 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.760 honored to follow in her footsteps. And it's it's one 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.800 of those roles that, like, when you're by yourself doing 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.720 a video game, it can be completely, so vocally taxing, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.839 because even if you're not doing a thousand death sounds, 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.320 it's just you for four hours, non stop, and so 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.800 sometimes you're like, oh, I have to do this video game. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.279 I know it's going to be crazy. Anytime it's Harley, 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:39.840 I get so happy because it's like therapy, Like I 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.440 get in there and get to scream at the world 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.599 and it's so much fun. And now I feel like 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.560 she's so much a part of me, Like I get 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.880 really upset when someone else plays Harley, like I'm like 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.840 that I'm Harley, you know, And I just love any 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.239 any iteration of her I love. And I've done so many, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.160 you know, the video games is very specific. Then there 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.240 was DC Girls and DC Superhero Girls, and then there's 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.400 been some shorts that I've done and other entity like 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.000 anywhere she lives. She's a little bit different here she's 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.080 more Harleyan here, she's a little bit older. Here she's 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.720 a teenager, here she's whatever. And you make that adjustment 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.320 in your mind to be her in these different places, 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.440 and it's always fun. And I do think she's a 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.960 hero because you know, first of all, you love to 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.880 hate the bad guy anytime, but there's such like a 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.880 sincerity to her and like a pure love, like no 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.680 matter what's going on, no matter how abusive the joker is, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.360 or no matter what she's facing, she still comes at 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:41.280 her like prowess and her abilities and her agility from love, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.200 even if she's bashing someone in the head. It's like 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.960 she's just pure, powerful love and you have to love 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:53.040 her because she does everything so completely, Like there's nothing 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:58.600 half asked about Harley. Nothing she and she hates. She's 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.920 extremely loyal, that's what. She's extremely loyal. And I feel 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.600 that way too about about Poison Ivy. I I always 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.920 see Poison Ivy as a hero. I'm like, she's trying 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.480 to save the planet. Nobody's listening, Like we're the ones 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.360 that are destroying the planet, and she will kill us 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.040 if she has to. But um, yeah, I agree. I 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.360 think that there's such a fine line between hero and villain, 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.800 and I really think it's depending on the perspective. Well, 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.040 and it's like they say, the best villain is one 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.600 that you can understand. I think the best villain is 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.440 a hero who goes too far, you know, like you know, 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.960 have someone like Eric kill Monger who you're like, I 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.680 see where you're coming from, Please chill out, even thanos, 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.640 I see where you're coming from. Please chill out. You know, 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:45.600 like that is the because you know that hyper evil 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.760 is just so done and cliche and everyone does something 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.680 for a reason, so to do something to rule the 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.880 world or two in the world, just like, well why 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.760 are you doing that? Well, when you see a villain 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:01.000 with vulnerability, that is like it's all moving because you 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.960 always anytime there's a superhero, comic or character, you think 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.800 what's their origin story? And when there's a villain and 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.080 you and you see the origin stories where we see 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.280 what they're going through, it's like wow. And there's always 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.360 pieces that you can relate to, even if it's someone 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.679 like Fannels or Harley like some crazy like okay, I 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.559 can relate to that character even though they can shoot 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.520 Letney bolts out their eyeballs there's something that I can 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.080 relate to in their psyche. Yeah. I feel that way 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:23.960 because we did an episode on The Punisher and I 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.800 forgot to mention that he said you're one bad day 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.720 away from being me, which is so true. That's how 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.840 a lot of the that's kind of what happened with Harley, 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.600 you know. And I think that there is some I 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.800 think she has sympathy for the Joker and then the 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.520 Batman kind of has sympathy for her. And watching this, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.160 like watching her chase after him. Oh yeah, there definitely 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.160 seems to be a level of Batman being like you're 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.160 you got it? Like there were like a few episodes 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.920 where you see him like the Joker doesn't care about you, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.439 and she's like, shut up, get you a big malage. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.760 Did you guys get the digital remaster that just came out? 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.640 Oh yeah, you mean with the tiny funk open. Oh yeah, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.600 it's sitting there in my world. Good. Yeah. At Comic 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.760 Con they played it on the big screen, side by side, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.520 and that show holds up anyway because it's like film noir. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:12.560 It's like beautiful, but to watch it recolored, it's like, 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.280 holy crap, it's so beautiful. Man. I got it. I 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.400 mean I feel like, you know, we're talking about origin stories. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.079 I think this is a good place to jump in 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.520 on Harley Quinn. So Harley Quinn. Her full name is 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:29.320 Dr HARLEYN. Francis Quinzel, this PhD and this is you 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.560 know she what's dope, And she came from the animated series, 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.839 but she still had that like nineties level uh like 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.839 naming where like superhero names, their real name sounds like 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.920 their nickname. Like I always bring it up on the podcast, 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.160 Black Bolt's real name is black Agar Bolt. It's like 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:54.480 shot for the movie Edward Enigma. Yeah right right, Yeah, 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.720 that's that's the Riddler. It's like, come on, like that's 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.640 what I'd be like, that's the guy. That's that has 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:04.160 to be the guy. Yeah, it sounds like. But Arley 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.800 Quin's of fictional character appearing in d C Comics was 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.200 created by Paul Dennie and Bruce tim and first appeared 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.040 in Batman, the animated series, which makes her so unique, 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.000 uh you know, which goes to show just the perform 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.480 and just like you know, I feel like a lot 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.600 of times people underestimate or under appreciate, except for the fans. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.640 They over I was gonna say over appreciate, but you 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.320 appreciate just enough voice actors and just how dynamic their 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.360 performance can be, because Harley Quinn would not exist without 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.880 the performance, you know, like if if that wasn't a 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.200 amazing performance in the animated series, it could have just 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.160 been a character that lived and died with the series. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.080 But instead it was so good that because of Arlene, Like, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.080 had she not given that voice all those crazy little 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.160 quirks and highs and lows and things that catch your ear? 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.360 And what was that not just another chick's voice. It's 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.600 really she breathed life into this character that you want 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:57.760 to hear more from, even though it can be high 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.240 or irritating or crazy, like gotta hear what I want 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.920 to hear more. Yeah, So, going off of what you 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.440 were saying about Arlene, So, she was a former star 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.720 of the soap opera Days of Our Lives and appeared 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.720 in a dream sequence on that series in which she 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.560 wore just or costume. So, like Tara was saying, it 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.120 was literally based off literally that episode is why they 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.880 created Harley. Yeah. Yeah, So she appeared in an episode 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:25.960 titled Joker's Favor in September of nine, two Tara. I 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:27.599 wanted to know because she was just supposed to be 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.920 kind of like a walk on role, Like she was 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.480 just supposed to kind of be like the sidekick but 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.240 not really have what she is. Now, why do you 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.040 think that people latched onto her and have stayed latched 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.680 onto her? Yeah, And I think that reason has changed 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.439 over time. And I think initially people were so drawn 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.360 to her because first of all, the fact that Joker 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.400 even has a girlfriend's interesting, like who would date the Joker? 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.800 And the fact that she's so lovable and so loyal, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.560 and also her costumes are always kick ass no matter 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.400 what they put her in. Harley's like, you know, it's 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.520 like the biggest cosplay, like especially comic On, but any 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.000 of them, you know, there's just Harley events. Like I 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.360 went to like a Harley panel and the whole room 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.199 was Harley. Of course, I surprised everyone in cosplay and 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.640 it was great. Those pictures are awesome. But I think 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.120 people like I think they were drawn to her initially 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.200 because of the total package. It was her drawing, it 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:23.800 was her, it was the writing of her, it was 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.120 the acting, it was how she looked, and the dynamic 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.880 between her and Joker and how she would go for Batman, 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:31.600 Like what cute little chick is going to go after 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.400 Batman Harley? You know, Like, I think there was so 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.800 much that went into this perfect storm to create this 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.360 kick ass chick. And then over the years white people 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.800 love her and how she sustained is because she's grown 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.000 with the times. You know, some characters stay very classic, 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.920 but she's like grown, like people like wow, Like in 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.040 some of the games that you see like her becoming 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.120 her own woman and her own power and kicking as 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.560 by herself, and like, I just think it's something people 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.400 aspired to. They go, oh, wow, she started out as 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.560 this meek, little you know, wilting flower beside joker, and 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.360 now she's you know, doing things by herself and kicking 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.559 us all on her own. It's like wow, people are 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.079 like blown away by her power. And she's so powerful, 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.160 like you're just drawn to her, and everybody sees something 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.920 in themselves from her. I'm not saying people are all psychopaths, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.840 but they you know, definitely see, well, I've put up 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:21.720 with some crab in my life that I should love, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.840 and I still love that guy or whatever it is 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.960 that she's so devoted and but also she's so cute, 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.480 and that's a part of it too. Her design is 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.800 so cute. It is a reason people cause play her. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.720 People don't always cause play Timmy Turner if they're a chick, 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:42.360 because that's not hot. Really costume sex. Let's let's see, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.040 I'm going to look for that. I'm gonna look for that. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.160 I didn't want to say. This was an interview from 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.160 Bruce tim in Vanity Fair In he said, we didn't 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.800 want to give Joker a girlfriend because it humanizes him. 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.280 We're really trying to stress how bizarre and creepy he 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.600 could be. Um And this is from Paul Deni and 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.520 camp X. I was writing the script for the Batman 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.840 animated series. When I was coming up with an idea 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.240 for the Jokers gang of Henchmen, I thought I'd like 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.000 to put a female character in there. I was going 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:09.640 back and forth in my head about what kind of 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.640 character she should be. What if she's funny, What if 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.400 there's a bit of a throwback to the Henchman from 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.280 Batman in the sixties. What if she gets laughs from 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.760 the Henchman sometimes when the Joker doesn't like That's what 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.120 I really love about her is that, like you said, 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.080 she moves honestly from being a follower to a leader. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.520 Um she went from she appeared in a suicide squad 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.160 in the New fifty two. That was in the New 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.240 fifty two was when d C came through and kind 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.080 of just redid a lot of their lines. And then 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.280 she ended up in Rebirth having her own comic, Harley 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.239 Quinn comic, And she's also in a Gotham City Sirens, 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:49.000 and and she's like one of the only sustainable comic 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.720 heroes that didn't start as a comic. Yes, and you know, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.040 and now all her comics are huge in the comics 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.680 the bigger book ones are awesome, and I mean I 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.320 bought them all. I've read them all yet, but as 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.360 soon as I did kill Joke, I had to buy 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.880 everything that was like that too. Let me get that. Yeah. 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.120 But so funny about it too, is Harley is kind 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.200 of similar in Joker in the sense that Joker was 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.160 supposed to just be a villain of the week and 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.840 somehow he caught in and then you know, the same 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.440 thing for Harley, she was going to be just this 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.360 character who popped on and she just was so amazing 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.720 that Yeah, there's there is something I think about her 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.200 that is just so infectious, where you you just love 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.800 seeing her, and I think it is just in a 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:34.720 way where I find that, you know, Joker, like he's funny, 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.200 but he's funny in a creepy way, like it's very 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:41.200 dark and you don't really trust his laughs, where Harley 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.720 seems like she's having fun. You know, you're like, you know, 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.520 she's definitely not creepy, but she's also a train wreck, 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.800 which is always fun to watch, you know, like, what 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.440 is that girl going to do next? Right? Right? Yeah, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.000 Terry wanted to actually quote you because we have this 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.400 in here from that Vanity Fair article where you said 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.520 feminism is about showing women as fully fleshed out human beings, 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.960 and that's what Harley is. She doesn't make choices that 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:05.920 are smart or good for a woman, but she gets 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.480 to make those choices. Men are allowed to be up 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.879 in all kinds of characters and women aren't. We have 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.840 to be idolized. She gets to not be That was 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.960 a good quote. Our producer Dad put that in there. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:19.960 He was like wow, because he pulled a lot of 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.760 the research. He was like, he texted us yesterday and 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:24.600 was like, wow, a lot of These quotes are from 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.000 terra Um. I do want to say that that she 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:28.959 kind of paved the way for characters that we see now, 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.840 like Jessica Jones, who you know, deals with mental illness 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.960 and she's alcoholic and she like she's allowed to be flawed. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.919 But way before she appeared, we had characters like Harley 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.000 that were kind of groundbreaking of like, no, women don't 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.240 have to be pretty and perfect all the time. They 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.120 can still be super strong but have but have flaws, 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.840 which makes them more relatable. Yeah, I find that. I 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.480 find that, you know, that that is like the pinnacle 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.159 to representation because lots of times when people are like 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:00.800 insert you know certain race or women here, they have 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.520 to they there's this need to make them always perfect 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.919 because we're like, we don't want to offend them. But 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.640 it's like, no, we you know, the fun stuff usually 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:14.960 in media and storytelling is like seeing someone fail and 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.760 bounce back and go through hard times, and you know, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.600 you don't want to see someone just be perfect. Boring. Yeah, 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:23.760 it's very boring. You don't get to do the fun stuff. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:28.800 So that that is very true, like, you know, especially 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:33.159 like I think pre pre Harley, pre a lot of 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.320 stuff you know, you usually have to leave it to 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.399 beaver syndrome, where like, you know, the wife is the 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.960 homemaker and she's perfect and she's not going through stuff 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:42.840 even though she's taking care of five kids and a dog. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.720 You know, you mean she's not in the best. She's 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:53.160 coming like, sister, let's go crack some skulls, and she's like, yes, please, spat. 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.000 I was gonna say, we are going to get into 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:04.120 some of Harley's abilities as well as the video games. 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:15.080 Right after these messages where Bad Bad, where that Terry, 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.040 you were talking about how strong she is, and I 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:18.720 think a lot of times people do forget a lot 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:23.439 of Harley's abilities. I mean Harleyn's ability Harley Harley Um. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.480 I was thinking of her her abilities as a doctor. 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.639 Then that she's incredibly smart. I think as goofy as 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.800 she is, she's she has a PhD. Does anyone else 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.040 in this room have a PhD? That's what's funny about 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.840 picking up like storied storytelling is there's so much, so 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.320 many years of lore that that's I find the most 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.920 fun part of like comics where there's one writer who's like, oh, 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:50.879 we never talked about that, let's touch on that and 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.760 I am waiting for the Harley comic where she's like 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.280 cooking up all these different you know, because like if 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.000 you think about it, Joker is always trying to make 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.200 those like laugh asses. Harley probably is the one who 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.440