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Speaker 1: This one Bill's Live presented by Called lighta health Welcome

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Speaker 1: to one of Bill's Lives. Steve Task Christoperpasso in again

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Speaker 1: for Brownie today. We're going to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about what's going on with Super Bowl, what's going on

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Speaker 1: with the coaching hires around the league. We've got a

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Speaker 1: Twitter question for you. We've got lots of stuff going on.

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Speaker 1: Plus your calls. We'll talk about just about anything you

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Speaker 1: want to do. Talk about calling in here, as long

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Speaker 1: as it's about the NFL and the Bills and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to don't want to get out of

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Speaker 1: my lane. So Chris, good to have you in again.

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Speaker 2: So far, good week, right, Yeah, it's been fun. It's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We've been a lot of stuff going on with

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Speaker 1: the coachings, hirings and stuff. We've been talking about the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks yesterday. The Chargers are getting started on their stuff.

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Speaker 1: They finally hired a couple of coordinators. The Bills, it's

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Speaker 1: been reported, are starting to fill one of the vacancies

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Speaker 1: that happened to them when Eric Washington got called by

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears to be their defensive coordinator, taking him

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Speaker 1: as the defensive line coach away from the Bills. Now

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Speaker 1: the Bills are filling another vacancy in their coaching ranks

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Speaker 1: on the offensive side. It looks like it's been reported

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Speaker 1: that they're working to hire Ron Curry as the quarterback

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Speaker 1: coach slash maybe the passing game coordinator. If you don't

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Speaker 1: know who Ron Curry is, he's a former University of

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Speaker 1: the Raiders. He's been in New Orleans coaching their wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and been their passing game corps for the last

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Speaker 1: seven seasons. He was under Sean Payton, He's been under

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Speaker 1: Dennis Allen. He's also worked in the past with Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh as well. So Ron Curry is reportedly being talked

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Speaker 1: to in wooed as the quarterbacks slash passing game coordinator

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Speaker 3: And there's one other big connection here that he worked

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Speaker 3: with Joe Brady in New Orleans there with Sean Payton

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, So that's probably the familiarity that

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Speaker 3: Joe Brady wanted.

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Speaker 2: And so you're getting.

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Speaker 3: Two people in very important roles on this Bill's coaching staff,

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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator with Joe Brady and reportedly quarterback coach with

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Speaker 3: Ronald Curry, who have their roots in the Sean Payton

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Speaker 3: spread through the football Drew brees Era in New Orleans

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Speaker 3: Saints said, of course, very effective, highly prolific offenses.

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Speaker 1: So when we get Ron Curry in front of the

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Speaker 1: So Ron, we're excited to work with Joe Brady again,

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Speaker 1: or is it really Josh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Really right. I mean that's You've got to think that

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Speaker 1: having Josh Allen put together a great season with you

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Speaker 1: under his you know there, has got Joe Brady will getting,

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Speaker 1: you know, head coaching opportunity to have it. And of

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Speaker 1: course Ron Curry would move up as well. I mean

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Speaker 1: that's the way Josh plays. The things that he does

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Speaker 3: And as a former NFL player, Ronald Curry has connections.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, Jim Harbaugh, he could have probably gotten

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Speaker 3: other jobs if he did indeed want to leave the Saints,

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Speaker 3: but that's probably not many more jobs that are more

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen. You can just look at what happened with

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Speaker 3: Joe Brady, how quickly of a rise he had, And

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Speaker 3: I think you're totally right, Steve, that if the Bills

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Speaker 3: So it's a great springboard for a coach like Ronald Curry,

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Speaker 3: New Orleans not quite as good. With Josh Allen, he

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting too because he if he got released

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Speaker 1: Okay? And they brought in a new offensive coordinator who

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Speaker 3: The former offensive coordinator, Pete Carmichael was with Sean Payne

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Speaker 3: If it is, Ronald Curry may have said, Hey, look

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Speaker 3: like I'm ready for a new chapter. I've been here,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carmichael left and it looked like, you know, Ron

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Speaker 1: Curry was not going to get the coordinator's job. Remember Doug,

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to sort through in that relationship because

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Speaker 1: But the offensive coordinator may be the most creative, unbelievable

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Speaker 2: It's got to make sense.

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Speaker 1: And and uh Ron Curry is going to be doing

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Speaker 3: And that's why I think it's so important that Joe

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Speaker 3: Brady gets someone who he's familiar with. They come from

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Speaker 3: the same kind of coaching tree system. Right when Joe

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Speaker 3: what a lot of what Steve just pointed out that

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Speaker 3: he like, his stamp on, what he wants to do.

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Speaker 3: It's not again just running Ken Dorsey's offense with some wrinkles.

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Speaker 3: Now he gets another extension of what he wants to

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Speaker 3: do with Ronald Curry certainly knows that Saints spread LSU

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Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. But to have someone

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and more stuff about the Saints and how that

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Speaker 1: ron Curry was out of work for five minutes. He's

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Speaker 3: One quick note, it's kind of a fun nugget on

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Speaker 3: Ronald Curry. He is a high school basketball and football

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Speaker 3: great players. At the end, they all unanimously said Ronald

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Speaker 3: someone that certainly understands what it takes to be a

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Speaker 3: of a fun nugget that the Bills have a highly athletic,

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Speaker 1: I got a chance to meet him, and he says,

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Speaker 1: not only is he great coach, great player and all that,

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Speaker 1: he was an outstanding guy, just a heck of a guy.

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Speaker 1: Culture guy and suh. So that's the kind of guy

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Speaker 1: we're getting here in Buffalo. Has been in the NFL

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Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders, and so we're looking forward to meeting him.

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Speaker 1: If that is indeed the case. We didn't We don't

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Speaker 1: get that. We get this off of Twitter like everybody else.

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Speaker 1: So it's been reported these we haven't seen if there's

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Speaker 1: ongoing process. The Chiefs have navigated expertly, and you know,

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Speaker 1: to tip your hat to the production they've gotten from

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Speaker 1: those young guys. That's around the NFL. Brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Colida Health, the official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 1: Lots going on. And also did you see this too?

438
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Speaker 1: And I didn't know. This is just as one last thing.

439
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Speaker 1: Some guy was flying a drone around the Baltimore Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Championship game. He's flying around. You can't do that, folks.

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Speaker 1: For those of you are out there and love fly drones,

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Speaker 1: you can't just go out and fly at.

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Speaker 2: Wherever you want, especially over an NFL game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's facing four years in prison overdoing that because

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Speaker 1: it's it's you know, fifty thousand with thousands of people

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Speaker 1: in the stadium. They don't want some jamoke losing control

447
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Speaker 1: of this thing. Haven't flying into the stadium or something

448
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: even more nefarious, right, So you're not allowed to do it.

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Speaker 1: So this guy is facing big trouble.

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Speaker 2: Was this guy an NFL fan? Was he trying to

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Speaker 2: get like extual?

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Speaker 1: He uses the way and I'm not I'm no drone operator,

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Speaker 1: but he Usually there are restrictions and like if you

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Speaker 1: use the guys, they won't let you fly. Sure during

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Speaker 1: certain time because there's restrictions and that they know that

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Speaker 1: to put it out over the internet and whatever uses

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Speaker 1: the Internet to fly their drone, it's it won't let

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Speaker 1: them fly it, so they'll be told that it's illegal. Well,

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Speaker 1: his drone worked and he flew it. Wow. And there

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Speaker 1: you go.

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Speaker 3: One last point that I just want to bring up

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Speaker 3: after that crazy story, is kind of tying it back

463
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Speaker 3: to the Bills, that there's this need and we'll talk

464
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Speaker 3: about it a lot, Steve and Chris will talk about

465
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Speaker 3: it a lot during the pre draft process too, that

466
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Speaker 3: there's this need for wide receiver and can and even

467
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Speaker 3: if they do draft receiver, what's going to happen in

468
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Speaker 3: the future. With Stefan Diggs getting up there in age,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to say that all about what the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: did addressing the defense and saying we are going to

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Speaker 3: throw eighteen of twenty nine picks on the defensive side

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Speaker 3: of the ball with Khalil Shakir, which we're going to

473
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Speaker 3: talk about him later in the show today, but with

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Speaker 3: him entering year three, you plug in a first round

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Speaker 3: wide receiver, maybe even you double dip and they pick

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Speaker 3: one in the fourth round or the fifth round. Justin

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Speaker 3: shorter coming off the red shirt year. You could be

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Speaker 3: looking at at the end of twenty twenty four into

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, which again Josh Allen still won't be

480
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Speaker 3: thirty years old. That the Bills suddenly, like they did

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Speaker 3: with the linebacker spot, like they did with cornerback, suddenly

482
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Speaker 3: the receiver group is actually really really good. So I

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Speaker 3: think as long as you're allocating early resources, maybe a

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Speaker 3: free agent here or there. And again, Brandon Bean's track

485
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Speaker 3: record is pretty strong in the draft and the scouting

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Speaker 3: department that he has, and they haven't lost anyone in

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Speaker 3: the scouting department, which I think is big this offseason

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Speaker 3: after losing some guys the last few years. Suddenly the

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Speaker 3: wide receiver group can go from a glaring weakness to

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Speaker 3: a strength and it doesn't take four or five years

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Speaker 3: for that to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one last thing as we as we close out

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Speaker 1: this portion of the show, talked a lot about stuff

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Speaker 1: going on coaching hires. Former Bills head coach and former

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Speaker 1: Jet head coach Rex Ryan is being reportedly interviewed for

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys defensive Yeah, if you're Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: How what from Rex's the end of his tenure would

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Speaker 3: make you think, let's bring him in as a defensive

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Speaker 3: coordinator and all the circus that would come with just

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Speaker 3: hiring a decordinator.

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Speaker 1: Rex is really good on an interpersonal level. When you

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Speaker 1: get him in the room, he's pretty He's a great dude,

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Speaker 1: and he knows what he's talking about. Don't don't care yourself.

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Speaker 1: The guy knows what he's doing. I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: a successful head coach with the Jets, got him to

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Speaker 1: the championship game twice with Mark Sanchez at quarterback. He's

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Speaker 1: a rookie Mark Sanchez, So uh, Rex does have some

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Speaker 1: chops in the coaching industry. But when he's here in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: they just weren't buttoned up. And I don't know whether

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Speaker 1: he's kind of mailing it in or what, but it

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Speaker 1: kind of had that kind of feel for it to

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Speaker 1: Terry Coolest. Once that became a parent, that was it

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Speaker 1: and there was no messing around. He was and they

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00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: had three years left on that deal and everybody got

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Speaker 1: kicked to the curb. And it was the right thing

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Speaker 1: to do, obviously given where they're at now. But they

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Speaker 1: did run it, did teach this building about the hiring process,

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Speaker 1: and they did it way way better and have done

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Speaker 1: it very differently since then.

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Speaker 3: To your point, it seems like after that they hired

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Speaker 3: a head coach in Sean McDermott that is the opposite

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Speaker 3: of Rex Ryan in terms everything's buttoned up. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, there's not leaks here and there. When they're

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Speaker 3: you know, courting a free agent and the coaches are

525
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 3: doing what they need to do, there's not a lot

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Speaker 3: of off the field stuff going on. So I think

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Speaker 3: that learning from the Rex Ryan experience that yes, great coach,

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Speaker 3: super knowledgeable, tons of experience college and the pro game,

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Speaker 3: but you need to also do the other things while

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Speaker 3: as you're managing an entire team.

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Speaker 2: As the head coach. They got the opposite type of

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Speaker 2: guy with Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 1: Right, So we'll see that. We talked a little bit about,

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Speaker 1: you know, what Jerry Jones had and the situation that

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Speaker 1: was there in Dallas where Jones was publicly saying like

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Speaker 1: this is this is this defensive coordinator's job is a springboard.

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Speaker 1: We've got all kinds of talent on that side of

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Speaker 1: the ball. If you do well with this defense, you're

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00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: gonna be like Dan Quinn. You're gonna bounce to a

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Speaker 1: head coaching job. Maybe that's on Rex's radar because he

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Speaker 1: won't get back there without something like this. Nobody's gonna

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Speaker 1: hire him out of the broadcasting industry to go and

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Speaker 1: be a head coach. To get back into it and

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Speaker 1: re establish his coaching credentials would be huge for him

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Speaker 1: if he does indeed want to come back and be

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Speaker 1: a head coach, which you know he.

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Speaker 3: Does, And maybe that's perfect for him because as a

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00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator, you're not handling all of those, you know,

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Speaker 3: everyday things of logistics of team travel and our coaches

550
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: going on extra trips when they shouldn't be. So maybe

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00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: just as a defensive coordinator, that's really where Rex Ryan

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Speaker 3: is best. But I just think the circus of his name,

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Speaker 3: his personality, and then in Dallas with Mike McCarthy in

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Speaker 3: a lame duck season in the final year of his contract,

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Speaker 3: that would just be a lot of fun. I think

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Speaker 3: talk radio and the daily shows like this one would

557
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Speaker 3: certainly eat that up.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a break. We're gonna come

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Speaker 1: back and talk about Christopher Passer, my buddy here, his

560
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: mock draft, and who he's got the bills taking. We

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Speaker 1: also have a Twitter question for all of you out there.

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Speaker 1: If you feel like you want to answer this and

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Speaker 1: give us a call, we'll get to you on the

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Speaker 1: phones maybe in the next segment. Which Bills player entering

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Speaker 1: year three or less intrigues you the most about heading

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Speaker 1: into this next season. Now there's a big there's like

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Speaker 1: twelve guys that fall into this, but it's like Dalton

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Speaker 1: and Cato, Cyrus Torrence, Dorian Williams, Christian Benford, James Cook,

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Speaker 1: Kyer Elam Kingsley, Jonathan Khalil, Shakir Baal in Spector, the

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Speaker 1: whole raft of guys that you could go to. Which

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Speaker 1: Bills player entering year three or less intrigues you the

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Speaker 1: most heading into next season. We'll be right back with

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Speaker 1: mock draft stuff and your questions and calls right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio presented by Kalida Health On

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Speaker 1: You're on One Bill's Live. Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: Just before we went to the break, we asked which

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Speaker 1: Bill's players entering year three or less intrigues you the

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Speaker 1: most headed into the off season. And during the first

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Speaker 1: segment of the show, we went around the you know,

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Speaker 1: the league and talked about all the coaches hirings and

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Speaker 1: things like that, and we talked about Ron Curry being hired.

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Speaker 1: And we have a caller on the line, Butch from

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Speaker 1: the East Side. Butch wants to let us know what

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Speaker 1: he thinks about Ron Curry being hired as the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: coach and off passing game coordinator. Butch, what do you

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Speaker 1: got to say about it?

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Speaker 6: First of all, First of all, wanted to say good

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Speaker 6: job you too, love both of you. Love the messge

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Speaker 6: I loved, we jourin all the fans out there listening.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for taking my call. I really

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Speaker 6: yesterday I spoke to you U n c T said

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Speaker 6: about getting teachers, and I used CT when I said,

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Speaker 6: no disrespect to him yesterday and I said that he

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Speaker 6: was younger than you and I, Steve, and that they

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Speaker 6: need people that they can relate to because these kids

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Speaker 6: are coming out early, ready to play. And I want

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Speaker 6: to congratulate the Buffalo Bill's organization for actually stepping out

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Speaker 6: adding another teacher slash coach to that staff. I really

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Speaker 6: believe Roan Curry is going to be a good fit

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Speaker 6: for this organization, not just on the field, but off

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Speaker 6: the field as character and everything else. But I really

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Speaker 6: just want to add this about the reason why I

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Speaker 6: brought up that reason why I said that when you

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Speaker 6: because you guys were speaking about Rex, Ryan and CT.

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Speaker 6: I understand Rex had a little flag history in the past,

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Speaker 6: but we all fall short sometime. We all learn as

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Speaker 6: we grow, and I really believe Rex has grown from

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Speaker 6: his mistakes. This is why I brought up bout Roan Curry.

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Speaker 6: He sat this past season under a guy who made

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Speaker 6: a mistake that I hope one day get another opportunity

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Speaker 6: to be a head coach. His name is John Gruten,

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Speaker 6: and John Gruten was an offensive asistent counselor at New

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Speaker 6: Orleans Saint Staff and by him being a quarterback coach

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Speaker 6: with the team, I know he set a lot of

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Speaker 6: meetings with John along with Derek Kyr and arrest those

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Speaker 6: guys and learned a lot ex's and alls and little

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Speaker 6: knick knack things. And I really believe he's going to

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Speaker 6: bring that with Joe Brady along with this offensive staff

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Speaker 6: of some of the things that John Gruden has told

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Speaker 6: him or pet little keys he's picked up. And this

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Speaker 6: is why I say this is an excellent hire and

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Speaker 6: I applaug the Bills organization. Now, thank you so much

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Speaker 6: for taking my call. I love both of you and

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Speaker 6: have a great show, and thank you again.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Buch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when you look at the resume of

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Speaker 3: some of the coaches that Ronald Curry has been on

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Speaker 3: staff with and has interacted with, most likely like you're mentioning,

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Speaker 3: John Gruden, Sean Payton was a quarterbacks coach, was part

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Speaker 3: of the staff under Drew Brees, of course, future Hall

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Speaker 3: of Famer, first ballot Hall of Famer. I think it's

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Speaker 3: pretty impressive for a guy who's still in his early forties.

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Speaker 3: This is not someone that's, you know, into his sixties

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Speaker 3: that would obviously have that long of a resume.

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Speaker 2: So what I also like about.

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Speaker 3: Ronald Curry played quarterback in college and played wide receiver

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Speaker 3: in the NFL, so he can bring multiple perspectives when

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Speaker 3: it comes to whether it be teaching a first round

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Speaker 3: wide receiver or helping the terminology go from Joe Brady

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Speaker 3: into Josh Allen's ear during the week of practice. He

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Speaker 3: has kind of a unique perspective that it's on two

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Speaker 3: different positions on the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it'll be interesting too because he brings a

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Speaker 1: wealth of experience, rubbing upgainst different coaches with different philosophies.

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Speaker 1: Now we've said a lot about how Joe Brady got

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Speaker 1: exposed as Sean Payton's way of doing things, spread it out,

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Speaker 1: throw it and be aggressive in all situations. Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: is notorious for that, and he's very good at it

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Speaker 1: and has had a lot of success doing it, won

650
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: a World championship and probably should have gotten to a

651
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: second opportunity if it had not been for the Nicole

652
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: Robie Coleman passing interference that was like not called, which

653
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: led to rule chance, which led to a whole ripple effect.

654
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: So he has really had a lot of Sean Payton

655
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: has had a lot of success with the way of

656
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: he has coached, and Ron Curry's been under that you know,

657
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: umbrella for the last seven years and has probably benefited

658
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: a lot from it different coaches. Pete Carmichael was there

659
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: the whole time, and Joe Brady was there for a minute,

660
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: So obviously it's still good to see. And I don't

661
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: know Ron Curry, but in the lead up to the

662
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: show is you know, trying to find out about him,

663
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: and it sounds like he's an outstanding dude, right, just

664
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: a great guy, smart, professional, high character, a leadership guy,

665
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: a guy, a mentor, one of those guys. And it's

666
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: still nice for me to see guys like that still

667
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: rise faster than others. No, true, you know so, and

668
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: you can say what you want. Seven years in New Orleans.

669
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: I think you say, well, that's that's how it goes

670
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Man, when you get a chance, when

671
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: you come available, Like I said, he's out of work

672
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: for like five minutes.

673
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to be with one team for seven years.

674
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking about how these coaches move around

675
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: so much in today's NFL.

676
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: It's a sign of.

677
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: His loyalty and that how good that he survived multiple

678
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: head coaches. And when Dennis Allen took the job after

679
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: Sean Payton left, he still retained Ronald Curry. So I

680
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: do think he brings again that unique perspective wide receiver background,

681
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: quarterback background. And there could be a lot worse coaching

682
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 3: trees for the Bills to pick from the Drew Brees

683
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: Sean Payton coaching tree. To have two members of that

684
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: staff and that dynamic that was so successful, Like you

685
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 3: were mentioning Steve in New Orleans. It's a pretty good

686
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: idea to kind of try to take from what Sean

687
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 3: Payton and Drew Brees did together with the Saints.

688
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: So we're asking you which Bills player entering year three

689
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: or less intrigues you the most headed into this next season.

690
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: There's a ton of guys and it starts with Kincaid

691
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: and Torrens, o Cyrus Torrens, Dorian Williams, Alec Anderson, and

692
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Vandermark, the two offensive linemen are in there. Along

693
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: with Osirus Torrance. You've got Christian Benford, James Cook, Kyer

694
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: Elam Kingsley, Jonathan Khalil, Shakir balin spector. You got a

695
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: whole There's twelve guys that we've got right on the

696
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: roster today that you can choose from. But which guy

697
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: intrigues you the most headed into year three or less? Also,

698
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: as we're you know, we're keeping our eyes on the

699
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: super Bowl this week, but we're also getting one foot

700
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: into this mock draft season that we've got and our

701
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: guy here, Chris Trapasso, put together a mock draft and

702
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: the guy and it's amazing. So nobody cares about the

703
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: mock draft except what guy do you have? Us taking

704
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: true and I know it's we're twenty eighth. We have

705
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: no chance of ever getting this right unless we do

706
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: a million of them and have the you know, different guy,

707
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: every one of them. But you've got the bills falling

708
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: on Troy Franklin of Oregon. We had whoever was Doug

709
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: Ferraro on yesterday, he had us, he had the bills

710
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: taking this Troy Franklin good fit. Uh well, let's let's

711
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: go through it again. Why Troy Franklin. How does it

712
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: fall that he's going to be there? He's about on

713
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: some and all these websites that and we've got, you know,

714
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: all of them. Who is you know, how high does

715
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: he rank as a wide receiver? Franklin on some most

716
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: of these is like right around number four, five, six, seven, guy,

717
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, So give us your idea of why he'll

718
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: be there at twenty eight and why he's going to

719
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: be a valuable player.

720
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think he could still be available. And Steve,

721
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: you were talking to me about it off air that

722
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: he's listed at six foot three, one eighty seven and

723
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: if you're like five foot eleven, one hundred and eighty

724
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: seven pound, that's a pretty light wide receiver. So he

725
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: is tall and lanky, So I think when teams are

726
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 3: looking to check off the measuables and that physical box,

727
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin may not hit for some of those teams.

728
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: And just a really good wide receiver class. So with

729
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: this mock draft, to put Troy Franklin to the Bills

730
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: like we were doing yesterday with the free agents, you

731
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: got to be realistic. You can't say Molik Neighbors. You

732
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: can't probably say Roman Donze from Washington, They'll be long gone.

733
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: But I think Troy Franklin for two reasons, would really

734
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: fit the Bill in Buffalo. Because number one, right off

735
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: the bus, he is going to be able to win

736
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: down the football field. That's what he did at Oregon.

737
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: Averaged over seventeen yards per catch this past season. You

738
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: watch a highlight reel, you just watch any Oregon game.

739
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: That's like how they utilized him on post routes, on

740
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: go routes. But I do think the second part of

741
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: that is in the coming years, in year two, in

742
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 3: year three, I think he is flexible and fluid enough

743
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: as an athlete to become a very good separator and

744
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: get open and be that well rounded number one wide receiver.

745
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: Of course, the Bills when they pick him or whoever

746
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 3: they pick in the first round or second round, if

747
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: it's a wide receiver, and I think it will be,

748
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: they want that instant impact. They feel like, hey, look,

749
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: Josh Allen is going to be twenty eight, Stefon Diggs

750
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: is now going to be thirty one. Let's try to

751
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: win a Super Bowl right now. But I do think

752
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 3: in the back of the Bill's mind is can you

753
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: also become a number one wide receiver after Stefan Diggs?

754
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: And I think Troy Franklin checks both of those boxes.

755
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: That's why he's such a just a name that you're

756
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: going to hear a lot about with the Bills over

757
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: the next two months.

758
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 1: This is the point of when you always talk about

759
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: these guys, how good they could be, how good they are,

760
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: how good they've been. The thing about Troy Franklin, when

761
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: you start talking about it's just in a cursory little

762
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: bit of research. You look at his career. This is

763
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: the guy who's on the ascent.

764
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: He's gotten better every year, yes.

765
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: Significantly better. Every year. His stats have gone up. You

766
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: talk about you know, you go on these on the

767
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: you know YouTube and looking under the kid's name. He's like,

768
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: this is the fastest kid in the draft, this is

769
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: the best receiver in Oregon Duck's history. This is you know.

770
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: So it's all of that stuff. But also the thing

771
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: that I like, and we talked about it, he's he

772
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: is light. He's less than one hundred and ninety pounds

773
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: and he's six y three, so he's real wispy. The

774
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: thing about it, you want a guy and he does

775
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: all that. He's got intermediate route running ability, and he's

776
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: a he's absolutely a deep threat, and that's one of

777
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: the best things he does is get behind people. He

778
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: can do that. But the thing that you worry about

779
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: as a guy, particularly when they get up to be

780
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: two hundred and five or two hundred and fifteen pounds

781
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: and they're still six two. When they have that kind

782
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: of thicker frame, they're not as fast, right, because they

783
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: get heavier and it's harder to move all that weight.

784
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: When they're lighter, they're a little faster. And also it's

785
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: it's better route running when you're a little bit lighter,

786
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: because you can explode in and out of breaks. It

787
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: flows down. It's easier to stop a lightweight than it

788
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: is to stop a heavy So when these guys are

789
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: running and you're heavy, it takes you that extra half

790
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: a step or a little bit extra effort to slow

791
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: your weight down and come out of the break. When

792
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: these guys are light and they you know they're strong,

793
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: they can stop hard and explode fast out of breaks.

794
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: That's what you know. Route runners are able to do

795
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: that because of their body mixing, body composition. A light

796
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: guy is like that. And Troy Franklin fast dude, and

797
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 1: you can come in and out of breaks, runs really

798
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: good routes. Now, he may get out physical for a

799
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: minute at buff early in the NFL at times, but

800
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to do that all

801
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: the time in the NFL. And we'll see if he

802
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: can overcome it at some point.

803
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 4: Sure.

804
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 3: And what I think is important to keep in mind

805
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: about the height weight thing with wide receivers, it's to

806
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 3: me kind of similar to what happened has happened over

807
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: the last decade at linebacker that when Matt Mulano came

808
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: out in twenty seventeen six foot two, twenty eight, it's like, oh,

809
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: he's way undersized. Is he undersized today?

810
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: Actually, he's about right.

811
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: He's about right, So wide receivers. In last year's first round,

812
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: you had Jordan Addison was under one hundred and eighty

813
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: five pounds, Jackson Smith, and Jigba was was under one

814
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety pounds. Tank Dell in the third round

815
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: was little like one sixty five. So what Steve just

816
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: demonstrated or you know, kind of talked about with being

817
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: able to get in and out of breaks in a hurry,

818
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: slow down, stop start, ability to get open that actually

819
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: matters more than being two fifteen or two twenty. So

820
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: I kind of like Troy Franklin's game and how it

821
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: his sizes and his heightened weight profile, how it translates

822
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 3: to today's NFL.

823
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're right, there is a lot in there

824
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: about physicality and about durability. You know, lighter guys, you

825
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: know the app you get hit, you're still getting hit

826
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: by big dudes, sure, and when you're light, you don't

827
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: handle it as well. Right, there's a bigger repercussion because

828
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: you know their momentum overpowers your weight. There's something in

829
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: that as well. Lighter teams on the whole, or like

830
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, when you get light and fast, you

831
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: get injured. When you're heavy and bulky and slow. You

832
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: stay healthy, but you can't keep up, you know what

833
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean. So it's that balance of having the right

834
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: mix of teams of guys on your team and your

835
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: roster and how your season progresses. We're gonna talk more

836
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: about this after the break. We're gonna come back. Steve Tasker,

837
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: Chris Trpasso here on One Bill's Live presented by Coalida Health.

838
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcoming back to One Bill's Live.

839
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: We're frantically running around looking at all the mock drafts

840
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: that are out there. Yeah, right, Chris did his, and

841
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, we got Troy Franklin coming down to the

842
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills at number twenty eight. It's hard to because

843
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: you never know who's gonna trade up, trade down. There's

844
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: a lot of speculation that the Bears may not stay

845
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: at the one number one spot in the draft because

846
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: there are some really quality quarterbacks in this draft, and

847
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: Chicago may stick with Justin Fields because he's got promise

848
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: and Chicago is a train wreck for quarterbacks, So what

849
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: are they going to do? Get another one wreck him

850
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: to But yeah, and if they don't, if they don't,

851
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: if they're going to stay with Lance Fields. They're idiots

852
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: not to flip out of that pick and get some

853
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: assets for it, because they're they're gonna be able to

854
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: get a quality player, quality receiver, whatever position they want

855
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: and get another first round or something that we're down

856
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: the line and a second or some you know, a

857
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: lot of capital draft capital for moving out of that pick.

858
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: We'll see. But when you're trying to do mock drafts,

859
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: you can't really do that. You know, you don't know

860
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: who's gonna trade in, trade out, so you kind of

861
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,959
Speaker 1: go with the twenty eight picks that are there. Sure,

862
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: twenty eight is way done. The list you get twenty

863
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: seven is to get it wrong.

864
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what's funny about mock drafts. I do a

865
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: lot of them. I've done one a week since the

866
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: start of the football season. They just do well traffic wise.

867
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 3: We always do them at CBS. A lot of us

868
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: are asked to do them at a pretty regular basis

869
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: what I do, and a lot of times, based on

870
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: what Steve just said, like, hey, there's no way that

871
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 3: you're gonna, you know, get these picks right. But teams

872
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 3: do these mock drafts and you will hear Brandon Bean

873
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: if he speaks to the media before the draft, and

874
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: certainly after the draft, he'll say this. They have their

875
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: scouts and assistants doing mock drafts just to see different

876
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 3: scenarios and say, all right, what happens, Like Steve saying,

877
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: if the Bears stay put and they don't trade justin

878
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: fields and they trade out of one, and then what

879
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: domino effect does that have on the quarterback position? Suddenly

880
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: teams weren't expecting to be able to pick a quarterback,

881
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: now they can. That means they pass on receivers. It

882
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 3: has a domino effect, and of course the entire draft,

883
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: but just looking at it in the first round, maybe

884
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: that pushes down wide receivers because more quarterbacks go. So

885
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 3: teams do these as a way to help them, Like

886
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 3: Steve was saying yesterday, have every scenario mapped out and say, oh, like, okay,

887
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 3: if Brian Thomas is here, if Javon Baker is there,

888
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: if Troy Franklin is there, this is what we're gonna do.

889
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: If he's not, maybe we need to trade up to

890
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: get him. And we're going to have that call already

891
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: made to teams in the early twenties or the late twenties.

892
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: So it's actually for as much as it's kind of silly,

893
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: you can look at him and say, it's early February.

894
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: The draft's not untilate April. Why are we looking at

895
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: a mock draft? It is important to remember that NFL teams,

896
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 3: all thirty two of them, are probably starting to do

897
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 3: these same exercises and maybe.

898
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: Even more than I'm doing. Well, what they do to

899
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: know that once the draft hits.

900
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: What they do is they give some of the guys,

901
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: the quality control guys or whoever, some scouts or they'll say, listen,

902
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: these are your two teams once you find anno him

903
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: in or these are three teams or whatever.

904
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: Any guys needs, and where they're gonna go?

905
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: Where are they going, what are they saying? What are

906
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: their fans saying? What are there? You know? What do

907
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: you hear that they're looking for in the draft? And

908
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: if you have any connections, use them to find out

909
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: sure what they're gonna do? Uh? And then they the

910
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: team puts together a mock its own mock draft, and

911
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: then put together another mock draft and another mock drafting.

912
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: And this is all pre combine too. So what will

913
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: happen is you get to the combine and all of

914
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: a sudden they go, oh my gosh, there's like four

915
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: first round edge rushers, or we thought there's only gonna

916
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: be one guy. Now there's gonna be four that are

917
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: top ten worthy. Right, So now all of a sudden,

918
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: all the receivers and DB's get dropped down that many slots.

919
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: So you gotta you're gonna have a chance at a

920
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: guy that you didn't think was gonna be there to

921
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: actually maybe he is gonna.

922
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: Be there, and in practice doing this with the mock drafts.

923
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: We saw it last year when the Bills traded up

924
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: to get in front of the Dallas Cowboys to pick

925
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: Dalton Kincaid. And really, after the draft, Jerry Jones is

926
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: pretty open about things, he kind of hinted at that

927
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: they had their site set on a height end. He

928
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: didn't say Dalton Kinkaid, but the Bills had some intel

929
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: or maybe they just were making an educated guest that

930
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: if we just stay put here, we're not going to

931
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: get Dalton Kinkaid. So they had to jump the Cowboys

932
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: to get someone who I think is going to be

933
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 3: a foundational part of this offense for a long time.

934
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: That's again that mock draft research leading all the way

935
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: up until late April.

936
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 2: We saw it come to being.

937
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: A very important part of what the Bills ultimately did

938
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 3: in the first round.

939
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: And so you go through and you and you find

940
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: these guys. We looked up our a guy I think

941
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: we've had on the show, Lance Zerline. On the show,

942
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: he had a doctor of NFL dot com. He's got

943
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: the Bills taking Brian Thompson junior wide receiver out of Brown.

944
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: He's that's the Brown's guys, six ' three two. He's

945
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: a thick guy, you know, like we've been talking about,

946
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: and that's you know.

947
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 6: So you.

948
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: That's a guy you got to go in and look

949
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: at that. I like him out of LSU. LSU is

950
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: churning those guys out too. Yeah, they're coming in knowing

951
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: the bar is the bar at LSU. You got to

952
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: reach that to be on the field, and these guys

953
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: all do.

954
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: And a quick scouting report on him, he's different from

955
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin that he's not going to run four to

956
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: three or whatever Troy Franklin runs. I'm almost as sure

957
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 3: of it that Franklin's going to have a better forty time.

958
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 3: But Brian Thomas gives you more of a well rounded

959
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 3: skill set today. It's his upside quite as high. Maybe

960
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: not because he's not quite as fast, but the contested

961
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 3: catches are there yards after the catch. Because he is

962
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: a little bit thicker, defenders seem to kind of bounce

963
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 3: off him more frequently than they do for Troy Franklin

964
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: on films, So you get more of a vertical threat

965
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: that you believe because of the flexibility and the height

966
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: and the weight that Troy Franklin could probably become a

967
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 3: number one wide receiver and maybe his Scott, his upside

968
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 3: is sky high. With Brian Thomas, you get underneath yards

969
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 3: after the catch, contested catches and not quite as fast,

970
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: but both perimeter wide receivers, which again is why you're

971
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: going to see a lot of Troy Franklin and a

972
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: lot of Brian Thomas to the Bills in the mock

973
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: drafts over the next two months.

974
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: And I don't want to say I know everything, because

975
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 1: I don't. You don't, but I mean we're sitting here.

976
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: All we're talking about is wide outs, and you get

977
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: into the mock draft and you get these guys well

978
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: like our friend Bucky Brooks, our guy, Daniel Jeremiah, they

979
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: got the Bills taking other positions at Mick Draft. It could,

980
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: but there's gonna have to be some significant things that

981
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: happen before the draft in free agency, in free agency

982
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: that will make you think that that's not going to

983
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: be the case, or you're gonna have to have some

984
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: revelation about a guy like a Justin Schorter who's already

985
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: on the roster, and the team says, we are so

986
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: excited because we've been hiding him out. We're gonna unfurl him.

987
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: He's ready. That kind of thing. Maybe, but you know,

988
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: they've got Bucky Brooks has got them taking Cooper and

989
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think I'm saying this right. Cooper

990
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: de Jean to John Degen dejeene, defensive back out of Iowa,

991
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: elite athlete, played a bunch of positions and in the

992
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,959
Speaker 1: secondary high high football IQ. Okay, fine, then you've got

993
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: that's who book. Bucky Brooks has got us taken who

994
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: former Buffalo Bill, former teammate of mine. And then you've

995
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: got Daniel Jeremiah, who's got the Bills taking a defensive

996
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: tackle out of them. Now this makes some sense. I

997
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: get it because we don't have any defensive lines.

998
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: Have him taken.

999
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: He's got him taking Jerson Newton jor jhon j E.

1000
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: R apostrophe capital z h A in that's.

1001
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: A weird one.

1002
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 3: And of course, no disrespect to Daniel Jeremiah, who is

1003
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 3: the up there with with mel Kuiper in terms of

1004
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: just being plugged in and being a great draft analyst.

1005
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: Newton is very similar to Ed Oliver.

1006
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: He's under three, he's under three hundred pounds. He's an

1007
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 3: up the field pass rusher. It feels like the Bills

1008
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: like to go bigger next to at Oliver, who had

1009
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: that breakout season. But crazier things have happened in the draft,

1010
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 3: and I do think the Bills will address defensive tackle.

1011
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: But if it was that type, an at Oliver type

1012
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: player who's not gonna suddenly just play in front of

1013
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 3: it at Oliver to do that in the first round

1014
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 3: would be a little bit head scratching for the Bills.

1015
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: All right, more stuff to come, Steve Tasker and Chris

1016
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: Trepasso here on Buffalo Bills Radio. We're gonna take a break,

1017
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: come back talk more mock draft stuff and whatever else

1018
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: you want to talk about. What is the player on

1019
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: the Bill's roster coming into or into their third year

1020
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: or last on the roster. Who's the most intriguing guy

1021
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: on the roster that you're looking forward to having a

1022
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four season to remember? Give us a call

1023
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: if you like. Steve Tasker Chris Trapasso on Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1024
00:51:28,400 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 4: This is One Bill's Life.

1025
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: These One Bill's Lives, presented by calllighta help. Welcome back

1026
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: to One Bill's Live. We're an hour number two and

1027
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about mock draft and the Bill's roster, and

1028
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: of course we put the question to you as well

1029
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: as to which Bills player entering year three or less

1030
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: intrigues you the most headed into the twenty twenty four season.

1031
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: We've got a couple of calls on the line. We'll

1032
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: go to first, Elliott in Elliott in Rochester. Go ahead, Elliott,

1033
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: what's on your mind?

1034
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 7: Pay Stephen Chris so real quick. I just want to

1035
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 7: go through the Bill's first round pick. Specifically. I can

1036
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 7: already see things setting up for maybe the fans to

1037
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 7: disagree with what Bean decides to do. Notoriously, Bean has

1038
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 7: said Need is a bad replacement for right. So I

1039
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 7: just look at a lot of receivers like Stefan Diggs,

1040
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 7: who was a gem found in the fifth round out

1041
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 7: of Maryland, and Shakir late round pick two. So I

1042
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 7: just wonder what Chris's thoughts are, what kind of defensive prospects,

1043
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 7: specifically defensive interior and edge and maybe even at the

1044
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 7: corner position it's still on the board. Do you think

1045
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 7: Brandon Bean would be willing to target over one of

1046
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 7: those top receiver prospects and kind of punt the position

1047
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 7: to the second or third round and get one of

1048
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 7: those guys like Burton or Thrash or Javon Baker. So

1049
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 7: I just wanted your opinion on those defensive, edge and

1050
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 7: interior guys that Bean might go with over a receiver

1051
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 7: if they do fall.

1052
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hate that idea.

1053
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: My thing has been early on in this offseason the

1054
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 3: Bills need to pick a receiver in either the first

1055
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: or the second round, and I wouldn't hate them doubling

1056
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 3: up on it. It doesn't have to be in the

1057
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: first round.

1058
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: We talked about.

1059
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: Look at the track record of round two wide receivers,

1060
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: especially of late, is actually very good around the league.

1061
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: The two guys that really stand out to me Cameron Kinchins,

1062
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: who's a safety from Miami, perfect safety size, like six

1063
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: foot two oh five, played that kind of hybrid linebacker

1064
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 3: role for the Hurricanes, made plays in coverage, covered the slot.

1065
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: I really think Sean McDermott is going to be a

1066
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 3: big fan of his. And then Tyler Nuban from Minnesota

1067
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: more of a Micah Hide free safety, not going to

1068
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: be hard hitting downhill as frequently as Kinchins. But if

1069
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 3: the Bills, if Micah Hide does retire or decides to

1070
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: move on, then they will have a pretty sizable hole

1071
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 3: at the safety spot. Again, in free agency, they can

1072
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 3: kind of add some pieces there as well in the

1073
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 3: veteran ranks. But those two, I think if either of

1074
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: them get to twenty eight, because it is such a

1075
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 3: deep wide receiver class and it just happens to be

1076
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: a wide receiver group that has a lot of speedsters

1077
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: like you mentioned Elliott, I could see the Bills going

1078
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: in that direction. In one name that I think could

1079
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 3: kind of kill two birds with one stone, Darius Robinson

1080
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 3: from Missouri, and what I mean two birds with one stone.

1081
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 3: He's like six ' five two eighty five, two ninety

1082
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 3: had a tremendous week at the Senior Bowl. Everyone that

1083
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: I talked to down there said he was the best

1084
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: defensive player in Mobile and he can play inside outside.

1085
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 3: The Bills have liked those bigger, thicker defensive ends who

1086
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: can rush inside on third downs. I think he's gonna

1087
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: test pretty well. Didn't have crazy production at Missouri, So

1088
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 3: I think Darius Robinson could either just be there at

1089
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: twenty eight or the Bills could you know, get within

1090
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 3: striking distance and trade up for him if they don't

1091
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 3: love the receivers, or if like you're saying, they like

1092
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: the depth at the receiver spot and plan to pick

1093
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: one on you know, day two or maybe even early

1094
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 3: day three and add to the position later. So those

1095
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 3: three two say, and a defensive end I could see

1096
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: being potential targets for the Bills that would fit what

1097
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: they like, what the prototypes at each position at safety

1098
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 3: and along the defensive line.

1099
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: And you look back, you look down on the on

1100
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: the list of defensive tackles only like the interior guys.

1101
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: And when you're talking about interior guys, you know they

1102
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: I know they drafted at Oliver and he's a pass rusher, yes,

1103
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: and got and he got a second contract so he

1104
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: was giving him everything they wanted him to give him.

1105
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: But I think you're looking at at replacing guys like

1106
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: Daikwon Jones and and Jordan Phillips and Lynn Vall Joseph.

1107
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 2: I wouldn't use the first round pick on that. If

1108
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: you on that type of player, if.

1109
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: You're well, here's the thing you may have to or

1110
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get one, because you're talking about guys

1111
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 1: that are three bills plut three twenty plus a big body.

1112
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna go high in the draft, that's

1113
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: what you get that. There's a lot of things you're

1114
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 1: willing to there's a lot of things you're willing to risk,

1115
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: and a number one pick, the physical actor usually is

1116
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: not one of them.

1117
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: All the first runners are usually freaky athletes.

1118
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: They're freaky ash athletes, and they're freakingly big. And if

1119
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: you're looking at that, you're looking all the way down

1120
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: to a guy named like Demonte cape Hart from Clemson.

1121
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: He's a three sixty five, three twenty guy. Other than that,

1122
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: all the rest of these guys are in my mind light.

1123
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got you gotta go down the list

1124
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: a long way to get down the guys to the

1125
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: three hundred plus. I don't think it's a you gotta

1126
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: have some girth. And I'm a guy who played with

1127
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: Ted Washington, who was the girthiest of the girthists, right,

1128
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean the guy was he was he'd block out

1129
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: the sun and he played for I mean, that's the

1130
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: kind of guy he was. He was. He's a Hall

1131
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: of Fame caliber player and he played for nineteen years

1132
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: and was way over three twenty. Right. So, but that's

1133
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: the reason he could play. He was so big. He

1134
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: never played on a defense that was outside the top

1135
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: five in rushing defense because the line nobody could get

1136
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: to anybody else. They had to They had to double

1137
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: team him or throw a third guy at him, and

1138
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: they had to run away from him wherever he was.

1139
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: So guys like that, you gotta you gotta go up

1140
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: and get him. Because genetics sets them apart. Forget about

1141
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: their football IQ, their speed, all that stuff. Their genetics

1142
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: set them apart. They're gonna get multiple opportunities because of that.

1143
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: And it starts right in the draft. So if you're

1144
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: gonna if if the Bills are going to replace their

1145
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: defensive line with draft picks, looking at the looking at

1146
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: the at the rankings of the defensive tackles at some

1147
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: of the websites you're looking at, they may be able

1148
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,959
Speaker 1: to do it waiting, Yeah, because because there's no there's

1149
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: no Jordan Davis in this draft.

1150
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.

1151
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: The defensive lineman from Georgia they picked, who Philly picked

1152
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: last year. There's not one of these those mountain of

1153
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: a man in this draft that are also highly productive

1154
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: at the highest level.

1155
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1156
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 3: So at Oliver top ten pick, and he was an

1157
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,959
Speaker 3: up the field pass rusher. You look at Jalen Carter

1158
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: was a little bigger last year with the Eagles, but

1159
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 3: was an up the field pass rusher. Of course, Aaron

1160
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: Donald is the gold standard. Those are the type of

1161
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 3: defensive tackles today that get picked in the top half

1162
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: of the first round, or really go in the first

1163
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: round at all, I think again, to kind of tie

1164
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 3: back to the last segment, the Bills jumped the Cowboys

1165
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 3: pickdal Kincaid. They picked Mazzi Smith out of Michigan, who

1166
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: tested through the roof relative to his size, was a

1167
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: nose tackle at Michigan and didn't really give the Cowboys

1168
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 3: a lot this season as a rookie. That doesn't mean

1169
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 3: that I think he's a total bust and that he

1170
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: can't improve. But I think later in the draft if

1171
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: you're looking for a Ted Washington type, not saying that

1172
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: any of these guys will become Ted Washington played for

1173
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 3: nineteen years being perennial All Pro in today's NFL, though,

1174
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: if you're looking for all, right, who is going to

1175
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: be that player that three p to twenty plus next

1176
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 3: to Ed Oliver who's our dea interior pass rusher in Buffalo,

1177
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 3: you can get that guy third round, fourth round, fifth

1178
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 3: round to eat blocks, keep Matt Malano and Trell Bernard clean.

1179
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: I wouldn't position value wise, I would not lean in

1180
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 3: that direction a space eating block, eating nose tackle in

1181
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 3: the first round.

1182
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. More and more you're getting the entire defense is

1183
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: becoming guys who are athletes who are kind of morphing

1184
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: towards being the same guy that you know somewhere between

1185
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: two thirty and two seventy and can put their hand

1186
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: on the ground or bock up into coverage and that,

1187
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: and they're also they have pass rush skills and coverage skills.

1188
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: They have a repertoire of pass rush moves, they have

1189
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: a rep, they can tackle, they can cover all of

1190
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: that stuff. They can also run stuff, they can come

1191
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: up and take on a block or that. All these

1192
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: defenders are starting to become positionless, and it's you can

1193
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 1: see it at the edges of what we used to think.

1194
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: There's no way this guy can play this position. And

1195
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: now that's those extremes are coming. Moving towards the middle.

1196
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: You get a guy like Micah Parsons who at one

1197
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: point would never.

1198
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: Have He might not even have been a linebacker. Yeah,

1199
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: he might not have been.

1200
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: A defensive player period, let alone a pass rusher because

1201
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: of the way he's built. So now you know, these

1202
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: teams are starting to morph into and their evaluation process

1203
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: follows it. And I think for mock draft guys it's

1204
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: becoming more and more difficult. Now I'll say this as well.

1205
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: It's always been a problem when you get these guys

1206
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: and you're trying to if I, Okay, how's he gonna be?

1207
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna put him at the three technique

1208
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: and they got all this specific stuff. We're gonna put

1209
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: him on the edge of a three four defense. He's

1210
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: gonna be our t J. Watt. This guy can do. Now,

1211
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: if you've got film of the guy playing that spot

1212
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: and crushing it, I get it.

1213
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: A lot of times you don't, though, right, he's.

1214
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: Got his hand on the ground and he's playing the

1215
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: end on a four to three different and it's a

1216
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: different spot, and you got a guy you know. So

1217
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: when you're trying to pro act, these guys are the

1218
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: next level, and you don't have a spot that's exactly

1219
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: where you've seen him play his best, huge question marks

1220
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: come up.

1221
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 3: I think to what you just said over the last

1222
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 3: and this speaks to that directly. Over the last ten

1223
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 3: years since I've been scouting drafts, early on, the term

1224
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 3: tweener would come up a lot.

1225
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: Ooh, I don't know about him. He's a tweener. I remember.

1226
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: This seems crazy now.

1227
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 3: When von Miller was picked right in front of Marcel

1228
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: Darius in the twenty eleven draft, there was thought like, oh,

1229
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 3: he can't play in a four to three.

1230
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: He's too small. He's a tweener.

1231
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 3: He's he's a pass rusher, but he's only six two

1232
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 3: two forty that you never hear the word tweener anymore.

1233
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 3: And Jordan Poyer's playing safety and then he's playing linebacker.

1234
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 3: Taron Johnson's in the slot, then he's a linebacker. Everything

1235
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 3: that the Bills do is really what you're seeing kind

1236
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 3: of track around the entire NFL. That what Steve was

1237
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 3: just mentioning that being in that two thirty to two

1238
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 3: eighty range and being able to do a lot of

1239
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 3: different things. I don't think it's totally positionless, but we're

1240
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 3: moving in that direction and the NFL has gotten to

1241
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 3: that over the last decade.

1242
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and you're right there. You don't really

1243
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: see tweeners anymore except between maybe safety and linebacker. Sure

1244
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: where a got because that's a position switch. A group

1245
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: switch is not just going front. It's like going from

1246
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: offensive line to tight end, right, So linebacker to defensive

1247
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: back is a big switch. You've seen a lot of

1248
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: safeties who are really good at coming like Taron Johnson,

1249
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: a corner, nickel corner who's really good in the run

1250
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: game and this stuff like that, but you never line

1251
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: them up as a linebacker. Right. So those positions and players'

1252
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: ability to be versatile is key, but you never get

1253
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: to see him do that at college.

1254
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 3: That's part of why that projection. Even if you can

1255
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 3: look at the combine watch the film. Certainly, some defenses

1256
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 3: mostly I would say acc sec are doing some of

1257
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 3: those things, and you do get some fired. NFL head

1258
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 3: coaches and coordinators are starting to take those jobs at

1259
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 3: the collegiate level, doing a lot of complex things where

1260
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 3: they're playing multiple roles, having different responsibilities on a defense

1261
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 3: or on an offense.

1262
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 2: But you don't see it so much.

1263
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 3: So that is certainly part of the projection that goes

1264
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 3: beyond the numbers and beyond the film.

1265
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: So we're talking, We're asking you which Bills player entering

1266
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: year three or less intrigues you the most heading into

1267
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: next season, we're going to talk out more about draft

1268
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: mock drafts and all the prospects and the philosophies about

1269
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: picking him, and then we're gonna go to John in

1270
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: Hilton if I can get him up here. Hold on,

1271
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,439
Speaker 1: this is it's me. It's not John. There we go, John,

1272
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: You're on with Steve and Chris.

1273
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Yeah, Hi, thanks a lot. My biggest guy

1274
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 8: that I think is gonna do good this year is

1275
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 8: Justin Shorter. I'm really excited to see.

1276
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 5: What he does.

1277
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 8: And the other guy I want to know is Durrell

1278
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 8: Doririan Williams. What can he do? Can they move him

1279
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 8: around to get them involved more? Because he's really fast

1280
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 8: and he should be really good. So, uh, what do

1281
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 8: you guys think. I'll let you go and uh listen

1282
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 8: to what to say.

1283
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: Thank thanks, John, I appreciate it. Thanks for calling. Thank you. Uh,

1284
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think Dorian Williams really cut a

1285
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: lot of people's attention. I like Justin Shorter a lot.

1286
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: We've seen him prior. I thought he was having a

1287
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: really good training camp. One of the things we noticed

1288
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Speaker 1: about the Wide Receiver Corps this last training camp. But

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: Saint John Fisher, it's outside of Diggs, outside of Deontay Hardy,

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01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: most of them. Most of them were ginormous. They were

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Speaker 1: Gabe Davis, Justin Shorter, Tyrrel Shaver's. They were all big dudes,

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01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: and that I thought it was a concerted effort to

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01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: get there. Now, it didn't turn out that way. You know,

1294
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: Justin Shorter ended up on IR the entire season with

1295
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: a hammy. But I thought that was a thing coming

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: into training camp last year, and it may remain that.

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01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think, uh, it's kind of become a

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01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 3: accepted philosophy for a lot of teams that you want

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01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 3: to in your wide receiver group. You want to have

1300
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 3: it resemble a basketball team. You want this small point

1301
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 3: guard that's twitchy, that's good after the catch, that makes

1302
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 3: guys miss. You want someone in that six foot to

1303
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety pound range like Stefan Digg's or

1304
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 3: you know one or two of those guys. And then

1305
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 3: you want that big body that is the first guy

1306
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: off the bus with the offense, that can get down

1307
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 3: the field, can make a tough catch while taking a

1308
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 3: shot in the red zone, like we saw from Justin

1309
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 3: Shorter in the preseason. And in terms of the physical

1310
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 3: element to his game, he certainly has it.

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01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 2: Steve talked about yesterday.

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01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 3: Learning the nuances of getting in and out of breaks,

1313
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 3: understanding is it man is at zone, those things from

1314
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 3: the neck up. I think that was part of the

1315
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 3: red shirt process for Justin Shorter. But he has that

1316
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 3: downfield ability. He's a long strider. And in terms of

1317
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 3: Dorian Williams, I love Dorian Williams. He was my number

1318
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 3: two linebacker and last year's draft class when the Bills

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 3: picked him in the third round, and I was certainly happy.

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 3: You did see the flashes in terms of stopping and

1321
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 3: stall or being at a full stop and then finding

1322
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 3: the football. I thought he was noticeably fast that without

1323
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 3: Matt Malono out there, he was even faster than Terrell

1324
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 3: Bernard than Tyrrell Dotson, both of which who had breakout

1325
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 3: seasons in twenty twenty three. Now again I was talking

1326
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 3: about it earlier that cornerback was a weakness and then

1327
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 3: it became a strength through the draft and through a

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01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 3: trade of you know, to bring in Douglas. The linebacker group,

1329
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 3: it was what are they gonna do after Tremaine Edmonds

1330
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 3: turns out, Terrell Bernard's a player, Tyrrell Dotson has a

1331
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 3: great year.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if the Hills re.

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01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: Sign hiding anywhere, and Matt.

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01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 3: Milano's not going anywhere, he's returning. He's still in his twenties,

1335
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 3: so it will be a little bit harder for Dorian

1336
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 3: Williams to move up the pecking order. But to the

1337
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 3: question from John, I think you do have to kind

1338
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 3: of roll out different packages and utilize his speed and

1339
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 3: athleticism because to have that at linebacker, I think that

1340
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 3: is one of the most important things in the NFL.

1341
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 3: And what Sean McDermott loves at the linebacker spot.

1342
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: Which Bill's player entering year three or less intrigues you

1343
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: the most heading into the next season. Let's take a

1344
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: call from Tim in Rochester. Tim, you're on with Chris

1345
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: and Steve.

1346
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 5: Go ahead, good afternoon. Hey. I remember when Don Butler

1347
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 5: was the GM and he was on on the radio.

1348
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,799
Speaker 5: They asked him, he said, you can never have enough corners,

1349
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 5: safeties or defensive backs.

1350
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: And you're you're you've subscribed to that, do you?

1351
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 5: Yes? He said that on TV, and we we always

1352
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:34,440
Speaker 5: had good defensive backs, corners and and and safeties.

1353
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and I'll say this, I mean, thanks a

1354
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: lot for the call, Tim, appreciate it. And you're right,

1355
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: it's a it's it's one of those it's a money

1356
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: position for a reason.

1357
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 3: And uh, in today's NFL with all the receivers out

1358
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 3: there and what just happened to the Bill's secondary, right,

1359
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 3: it makes sense, Sweeve.

1360
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: It's a good theory.

1361
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: We here in Buffalo have also been exposed now to

1362
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: what we have seen to be the two most valuable

1363
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: defensive signings the Bills. When seumandermy showed up was a

1364
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: Poyer and hyde those two safeties. I think gave Bills

1365
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: fans a new and if there might have been some,

1366
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: but now a lot more people believe and see how

1367
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: important those safety positions are because of what they hear

1368
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: from other teams playing the Bills. Those guys are so

1369
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: hard quarterbacks have struggled to find what the coverage is.

1370
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: They they disguise it so well they make it hard

1371
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: on their opponents. And plus you know with Poyer, you know,

1372
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: intercepting the ball a lot like he has done and

1373
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: hide the same thing. Bills fans have seen it, So

1374
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: it's easy. It's an easy argument to make at this

1375
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: in this day and age. Plus the fact that everybody

1376
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: knows you need really good corners all the time in

1377
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: the NFL. You got to have them, and you need

1378
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of them because somebody's gonna get hurt like

1379
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: they did this year. So yeah, you're right. I don't

1380
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: know that I'm going to spend a first rounder on corner,

1381
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: particularly with the group they have in the room now,

1382
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: but you can. You're right, you need as good ones

1383
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: as you can get because it is one of the

1384
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: key positions in NFL defenses these days.

1385
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 3: And quickly a perfect segue from what Steve was mentioning

1386
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 3: earlier about versatility and being able to do multiple things.

1387
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 3: We brought up Poyer, we brought up Tarren Johnson. I

1388
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 3: think even though safety is far away from the ball

1389
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 3: in today's NFL, with how much passing there is, and

1390
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 3: especially in Buffalo, that it is not one is the

1391
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 3: strong safety, one is the free safety. Sean McDermott disguises

1392
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,799
Speaker 3: coverages as well as any defensive play caller in the league.

1393
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 3: And I think a big reason why the Bills were

1394
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 3: so good when Poyer and Hyder out there, especially in

1395
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 3: the prime of their careers, was they were interchangeable. So

1396
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 3: safeties to me, I think are more important as ever

1397
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 3: or as important as they've ever been, because they have

1398
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 3: to be in the box on someplace to play the run.

1399
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 3: They have to play at the outside run game. They

1400
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 3: have to cover tight ends, cover running backs. Oh and

1401
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 3: be maybe on a third and fifteen, be that guy

1402
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 3: on the back who's making sure a team's not hitting

1403
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 3: a big play over the top. So I think in

1404
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 3: general and in Buffalo, yes, safety and having those quality

1405
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,560
Speaker 3: defensive backs and having quality depth that has been tested.

1406
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 2: Of late in Buffalo is vitally important.

1407
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's no question that when you're playing defense,

1408
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: you got to have all those guys back there. You

1409
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: need to have depth, you need to have, you know,

1410
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: the versatility. I remember when we were playing back in

1411
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: the day, Well, Corey his philosophy defensively was like, I

1412
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: want four corners, oh back there. I want my safety

1413
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: to be corners, so that when we want to go man,

1414
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: we go man and doesn't matter. We don't have to

1415
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 1: switch out all these guys, right, that was his philosophy.

1416
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: And course, certainly we had Henry Jones at safety who

1417
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: could play corner. Kelso could not play corner, but they

1418
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: did have guys that could. You know, Kelsey was always

1419
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: the I mean, Kelso was always the guy the umbrella

1420
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: in the back. But he did have three guys that

1421
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: could really could cover. Henry Jones went to the Pro

1422
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: Bowl one year because he could cover Manda Man and

1423
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: he'd take a tight end out. So's it's really difficult

1424
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: to do today. And so I'm kind of on that

1425
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 1: train where you've got to have there are money positions,

1426
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:17,799
Speaker 1: and let's face it, man, we have through bills, particularly

1427
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: through the drought, and through even the successful years. You

1428
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: can I'll bet you if you sat down and thought,

1429
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: I can't do it right now because I'm getting really

1430
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: mess thought. But you could point to a position group,

1431
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: every position group on the field on both offense and defense,

1432
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 1: and name games that it has gotten you beat because

1433
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 1: you weren't good enough. Right And so we're sitting here

1434
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 1: in early February looking for the combine right before the

1435
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: super Bowl, and we're watching for the off season. You're thinking, okay,

1436
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: and you just there. It's a never ending struggle to

1437
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: get better at every position. Certainly, the Bills feel really

1438
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: good about their offensive line and their quarterback, probably their

1439
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: number one running back, their tight ends they feel good about.

1440
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: Then you start to run out of place linebackers maybe

1441
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: when they're all healthy, and then you start to think, okay,

1442
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: now you know we need some help here, here, here,

1443
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: and here. It's one of those off seasons. It's going

1444
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: to be really interesting to go. We're gonna take a break,

1445
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: Christraph Piso, Steve Tasker on One Bill's Live. We're gonna

1446
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: come back talk more. Take your calls about which player

1447
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 1: entering year three or less on the Bills intrigues you

1448
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: most headed into this next season. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio,

1449
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: presented by cloud of health. We'll be right back. Welcome

1450
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: back to One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker, christraph Passo. We're

1451
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: talking about prospects, philosophies, what we're looking for, trends in

1452
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: the NFL, about evaluating players, where we think defensive players

1453
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: are going to, where the Bills might head and draft.

1454
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still on the wide receiver train and I'm

1455
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: steaming full. I'm full steam ahead. So yes, I'm a

1456
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: steam engine guy. But I just think there's gonna be

1457
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: too many guys that are gonna be really good, and

1458
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: the Bills are probably gonna take more than one in

1459
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: this draft. I I could see him taking three, like

1460
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: on like in some of the later rounds or draft

1461
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: picks that they have once again, the you know the

1462
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: you know they've got picks that go all the way.

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01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: If three sixth rounders, I think.

1464
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. They there we go the full

1465
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 1: or they've got three sixth rounders.

1466
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: You know, so I think, here we go, yeah, something

1467
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 2: like that.

1468
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: They've got yeah, they've got twenty eight, sixty ninety nine.

1469
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: Then they've got like one twenty eight to the fourth round.

1470
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: Then they've got two fifths, one fifty eight and one

1471
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: sixty one. They've got three sixth one, ninety seven, two

1472
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: oh one, and two oh five, so they got three

1473
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 1: picks kind of right in a row, and then they

1474
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: got a two forty five as well. That's all ten picks.

1475
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: I so I'm from one fifty eight through two forty five.

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01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: Somewhere in there is going to be wide out as well,

1477
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: if depending on what happens on the first four picks.

1478
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 3: And two teams that pop into my head immediately over

1479
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 3: the last two drafts that did double dip at wide receiver,

1480
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers twenty twenty two, they picked Christian Watson

1481
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 3: in the second round and then pick Romeo Dobbs in

1482
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 3: the fifth round, and Romeo Dobbs has become a really

1483
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 3: good player for them. Christian Watson too, but he's been hurt.

1484
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 3: And then this past year twenty twenty three, the Houston

1485
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 3: Texans pick Tank Dell in the third round and he

1486
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 3: was great before he broke his leg. And then Xavier

1487
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 3: Hutchinson out of Iowa State, who's a little bit of

1488
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 3: a bigger body, did catch some passes down the stretch.

1489
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 3: So it's not like this crazy never happens thing for

1490
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 3: a team that wants to replenish the wide receiver group

1491
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 3: to double dip in the same draft.

1492
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're talking about wide receivering. We've got a

1493
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: caller on the line, Tom in Tonawanda. Tom's asking about

1494
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: I think he thinks we might see something from Justin Shorter. Tom,

1495
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? All right?

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01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 9: Just wondering when they when they drafted Justin Shorter. You

1497
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 9: have a big tight end or excuse me, big wide receiver,

1498
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 9: and I just wonder if they didn't draft him with

1499
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 9: the idea of replacing Gabe Davis.

1500
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what it was.

1501
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no inside info there, but just watching

1502
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 3: Justin Shorter's film at Florida and remembering Gabe Davis's film

1503
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 3: at UCF. They were near the sidelines, going down the

1504
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 3: field and chucking the ball up to them. And now

1505
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 3: what's interesting. And again, Gabe Davis was a great return

1506
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 3: on investment for the Bills, being a fourth round pick

1507
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:38,759
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty.

1508
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,759
Speaker 2: But Justin Shorter is bigger.

1509
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 3: I think he's faster, and I think he has been

1510
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 3: based on what they did in college. He has better hands,

1511
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 3: more sure handed in those contested cats situations than Gabriel Davis.

1512
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 3: So I think it was insurance to say, hey, look

1513
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 3: if Gabe Davis in twenty twenty three has an awesome

1514
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 3: year and he praises himself out, or if the Bills

1515
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 3: were like, hey, look if he doesn't really play that well,

1516
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 3: we're not going to pay him, then I think it's

1517
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 3: more the latter than the former. In that situation, they

1518
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 3: have someone in Steve's reference it that now got that

1519
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 3: red shirt season in Justin Shorter to not have to

1520
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 3: come in and be a seventy catch guy, but just

1521
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,560
Speaker 3: be what Gabe Davis was in twenty twenty as a

1522
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 3: rookie and in twenty twenty one that down the field

1523
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 3: number four option.

1524
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Justin Shorter was ranked down the list

1525
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: as prospects coming out. He was a five star recruit.

1526
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: He's six four two thirty seven or two twenty nine.

1527
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he's six four to two thirty.

1528
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 2: He's a big dude.

1529
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: He's got big hands, he got long arms. He runs

1530
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 1: a four five five forty, which is plenty fast enough

1531
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: for a route runner at that size. He was a

1532
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: sophomore in twenty nineteen, uh and he played ten games,

1533
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: had only twelve catches. His production wasn't there, and then

1534
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: he had twelve games and had twenty five catches in

1535
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 1: as a junior, and as a he had thirteen games

1536
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: and had forty one catches. So he's never really had

1537
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: one of those ninety five catch seasons. It's he is.

1538
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: He's got a lot, he had a lot to learn,

1539
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: he had a lot to prove. And I'm not saying

1540
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: too We've seen and we've talked about a lot this

1541
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: coaching staff's reticence to put young guys on the field,

1542
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,759
Speaker 1: but we have also seen him do that, particularly Gabe Davis,

1543
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, I know everybody likes Gabe and

1544
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 1: he's had some moments that were unforgettable for the Buffalo Bills,

1545
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: but I a lot of people are like kind of

1546
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: done with him, right. I Mean, it's like Coley, he

1547
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: has too many games with zero for zero, right, and

1548
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: so they're But Gabe Davis is also an example of

1549
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, a skill position player on the offensive

1550
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 1: side of the ball that got plugged in right away

1551
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: as kie as a rookie, first, he caught the first

1552
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 1: ball the team had completed in his rookie season. In

1553
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: his rookie season, Steph Diggs is there. He caught the

1554
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 1: first ball of the season, so it is in there

1555
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: and in this team's DNA that a guy can prove

1556
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: himself and get on the field at that position as

1557
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: a first year player. Justin Shorter's got to do that.

1558
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: He's got to get there, and he's got to prove

1559
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: the same things that Gabe Davis did as a rookie.

1560
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: He's got he got a whole year to find out

1561
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: what that is and prove it. So we'll see if

1562
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 1: he can do that. But that's where we're at, and

1563
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: he is a guy exactly. He's like Gabe Davis. He

1564
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: catches the ball better than Gabe, but there's so much

1565
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: that Gabe Davis does that we haven't seen anybody else

1566
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: be able to do.

1567
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. And what's two other things

1568
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 3: that are interesting about Justin Shorter? Just a quick note

1569
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 3: on his final season at Florida. He averaged nineteen point

1570
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 3: nine yards per catch, So he proved it in the

1571
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 3: SEC after being in disappointment at Penn State, transfers to

1572
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,719
Speaker 3: Florida and was that big play threat down the field.

1573
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 3: So you can look at the stats, you can watch

1574
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 3: the film. What I also like and to kind of

1575
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,759
Speaker 3: compare him to Gabe Davis. Like the caller was talking about,

1576
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 3: Gave Davis did hit the ground running in the NFL.

1577
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 3: He was not a high volume guy, but there was

1578
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs coming over in his first season in Buffalo.

1579
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 3: Cole Beasley john Brown were the top three targets for

1580
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 3: Josh Allen when he broke out and ultimately got an

1581
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 3: or got multiple MVP boats that year. Justin Shorter could

1582
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 3: be in a similar situation where it's Stefan Diggs, it's

1583
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 3: a first round wide receiver, maybe it's a Kendrick Bourn

1584
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 3: in free agency, maybe it's a fifth round wide receiver, and.

1585
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 2: He doesn't need to be.

1586
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 3: The first or second read in the progression and allow

1587
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 3: himself to not have to be perfect in all regards

1588
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 3: like Gave Davis was not as a rookie, but was

1589
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 3: able to make those big plays. Had a couple, you know,

1590
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 3: great sideline catches in that wild card round win over

1591
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 3: the Colts when defenses were focusing on other receivers. Justin

1592
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 3: Shorter could find himself in a similar situation in the

1593
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 3: receiving or the target pecking order. In his second year

1594
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:55,719
Speaker 3: in Buffalo.

1595
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: Right, So we're and there's a lot there's a lot

1596
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: in that he isn't. He's still I think, an intriguing prospect,

1597
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: and that's what he is. He's been in the league

1598
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: for a year. He was on IR and they activated

1599
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: him for a minute to see if they could get

1600
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: him ready to play, and they couldn't do it, so

1601
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: they put him back on IR. He essentially had a

1602
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 1: red shirt year and he's still that guy that he

1603
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: had a chance to be coming out of Florida. So

1604
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: we'll see.

1605
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 3: And how about the Bill's track record at wide receiver?

1606
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 3: Like I said yesterday, they just need to pick one

1607
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 3: because the track record with Khalil Shakir in the fifth round,

1608
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 3: gave Davis in the fourth round, Isaiah Hodgins in the

1609
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 3: sixth round. When they've drafted them in the Brandon Bean era,

1610
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 3: they've been good. We brought up Rayvey McLeod, who is

1611
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 3: a seventh rounder in twenty eighteen, Brandon Bean's first draft

1612
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 3: as a general manager. He's playing for the forty nine

1613
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 3: ers in the Super Bowl. So that makes you think,

1614
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not a guarantee that Justin Shorter is

1615
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 3: going to be good, but the Bills have shown that

1616
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 3: those Day three wide receivers. They whether it be they

1617
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 3: just know this to identify, the analytics help them. Whatever

1618
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: the case may be, they have a track record over

1619
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 3: the last four or five drafts being able to find

1620
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 3: those diamonds in the rough at wide receiver on the

1621
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 3: third day of the draft.

1622
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: Well, they made and like I said, I think they

1623
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: may do that again this year. They're gonna find some

1624
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: guys that will help them.

1625
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 3: Even if they pick a wide receiver in the first round,

1626
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 3: they could continue with that spot light later.

1627
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: Right. I think it's gonna be really interesting to see.

1628
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: But I'm with you and I'm with the caller as well.

1629
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm kind of excited to see justin Shore to get

1630
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: back on the field healthy hamstring. I mean, it's not

1631
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: a season long.

1632
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 2: Injury and he did practice late in the year.

1633
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm I think they're really excited to have it.

1634
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: I think that I don't know if they are not.

1635
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: They may just say, Okay, there's a rosh spot, we've

1636
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: got a guy or whatever. I think he has a

1637
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 1: chance this year after and coming back healthy, because I

1638
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 1: you have I have a hard time believing it was

1639
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: a season long injury.

1640
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,719
Speaker 3: Well, I think it was just late in the season

1641
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 3: to ramp him up. I think it was like one

1642
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 3: of the last couple of weeks they needed to activate.

1643
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but if he did it in training

1644
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: camp or in the preseason, it's a four month season

1645
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: and at most it's a.

1646
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 2: Four week injury, so he's gonna be healthy.

1647
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: They I think they're like, just stay there, work on this,

1648
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 1: do this, stay and come back and let's go. You know,

1649
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: we'll see, We'll see. I don't know. I'm I'm with

1650
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: the caller, and I think he's got a chance to

1651
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: be really good. He's got all the physical tools. He's

1652
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: a fast guy, he's a downfield threat because of his size.

1653
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: He's got an incredible catch radius, catches the ball extremely well. Certainly,

1654
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: there's gonna be things he needs to work on. He's

1655
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: a little long legged, high cut, But I think he

1656
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: shows a lot of promise, and with a year under

1657
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: his belt, coming back and being securing himself about being

1658
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: a pro and knowing the routine and coming back and

1659
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: not having the distractions of that first year that always

1660
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: happened to a first year player, I think he's gonna

1661
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 1: have a chance to really take off?

1662
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: Is he your pick?

1663
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 3: If I'm asking you our Twitter question today of which

1664
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 3: year three or less player are you most excited about?

1665
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 2: Is there someone else?

1666
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 3: Because for me, I'll just give my answer quickly. I

1667
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 3: want every fiber of my being wants me to say

1668
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 3: either Dorian Williams or Khalil Shakir because I love.

1669
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 2: Them as prospects.

1670
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 3: But I think it's Dalton Kin Kate because you find

1671
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 3: good receivers all over the NFL. I think having that

1672
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 3: Cole Beasley slot type is certainly important. I think you

1673
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 3: will see a jump from Shakiir in year three. Dorian

1674
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 3: Williams will get on the field, probably in some sub packages.

1675
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 3: But if you can have an elite receiving tight end,

1676
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 3: We're going to see it in the Super Bowl with

1677
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 3: George Kittle and Travis Kelce. That does a world of

1678
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 3: positive to your offense. If Dalton Kin Kid can build

1679
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 3: on what I thought was a very one of the

1680
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 3: best and most prolific rookie tight end seasons in a while,

1681
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 3: that is huge for Joe Brady and Josh Allen certainly.

1682
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's certain guys on this list

1683
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:11,839
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be able to count on Osirius Torrance,

1684
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid, James Cook. I mean they don't need to

1685
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: do too much. James Cook was fourth in the lead

1686
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 1: in league in rushing and was a rotational back for

1687
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: the month the first month of the season.

1688
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 2: So that's crazy.

1689
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 1: He's gonna be He's gonna be there. So those guys

1690
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: I think are are Givens, Kincaid, Torrance, and I think

1691
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: Christian Benford. He was a starter opening days his rookie year.

1692
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: He's been very good when he stays healthy and he's

1693
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: had trouble doing that. So and you, I think you

1694
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: could make a case for Kyrie Elam. I think I

1695
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: might surprise a lot of people with this brownie. And

1696
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 1: I have talked at length about this guy who most

1697
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: people don't know exists, uh and we have watched him

1698
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: in training camp, during the regular season at practice. All

1699
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: of that stuff is Kingsley Jonathan. He's an edge rusher

1700
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: and he has watched and learned from Vaughn and he

1701
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: has not played that much football up until this last year.

1702
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: He's been He's rotational guy. He's a rotational guy, and

1703
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: he's in the international portal from Nigeria. He's an athlete.

1704
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:20,839
Speaker 1: He's got size, he's very quick, he's got explosion, he's learning,

1705
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: he can bend off the edge. He has a great

1706
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: spin move. I like, I just think now is the

1707
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: time when he gets I think he needs more time

1708
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: and he's gotten a lot of that this season. I

1709
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: think coming into this season, we may see a lot

1710
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: more of him and because of that, I think more

1711
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 1: people are gonna find out he's a really good player.

1712
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he kind of fits the mold of like

1713
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 3: we've talked about, the Bills like to bring in, whether

1714
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 3: they draft or they bring in through the international portal,

1715
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 3: those freaky athletes that they like to develop into quality

1716
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 3: players like at Greg Russo, with Josh Allen, Tremade, Adamans, Dawson, Knox, Kingsley.

1717
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 2: Jonathan could be the next guy.

1718
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance. I think he's one

1719
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: of the most intriguing guys out there. Certainly. Like I said,

1720
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: there are guys that I think. Khalil Shaki is a

1721
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: guy who's I think he's established. He's They're gonna plug

1722
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: him into the slot and he's gonna stay there. I

1723
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: think Baylen Spector may have a hard time getting on

1724
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 1: the field. Same thing with Alec Anderson and Ryan Vandermark.

1725
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 1: Those are two offensive lineman Anderson and Vandermark that you know,

1726
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 1: they're just kind of a hard time plugging into those guys.

1727
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:15,799
Speaker 1: They got five guys that are that took every snap.

1728
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 1: The only time one of them came off was when

1729
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: Dion Dawkins got his finger cut in the Pittsburgh game.

1730
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: And you know, vander Mark goes in Presto chaninjoh he

1731
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: got a new left tackle and they went down and

1732
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 1: scored good on him. So it's gonna be hard to

1733
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 1: break into that. So I don't know that. And with

1734
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: the linebackers the way they are, Spector and Dorian Williams,

1735
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: Milano and Ben Bernard, I mean you're loaded. Yeah, they're loaded.

1736
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 1: They're loaded. So we'll see, we're gonna take a break.

1737
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and wrap things up. Christrapasso, Steve

1738
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 1: Tasker here on One Bill's Live. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1739
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Christoph Passo, thanks for

1740
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: spending the first half of the week with us. Appreciate

1741
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: it was fun having you.

1742
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great.

1743
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 3: And and me being here, I sometimes forget because you

1744
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 3: are so cordially, you're such a great host, great analyst

1745
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 3: that you are someone who should be in the Pro

1746
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 3: Football Hall of Fame. And you were a five time

1747
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 3: All Pro with the Buffalo Bills. And I had to

1748
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 3: mention before I get out of here. Today is the

1749
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 3: thirty first anniversary of Steve Tasker becoming the first ever

1750
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:34,440
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl MVP.

1751
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: That was That was today, thirty one years ago today.

1752
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 2: Forest to fumble on a punt return, explained to play.

1753
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a couple of plays in the game

1754
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: that yeah, this one. I was going down and Albert

1755
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,719
Speaker 1: Shelley was the NFC Special Teams Player of the Game

1756
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: of the NFC and I was. He was double teaming

1757
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 1: me with Dion Sanders. So it's Dion and Albert, and

1758
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: so we're going down and Dion could outrun everybody in

1759
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: the whole stadium, so he was out in front of

1760
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: me and I had to and and Elbert was beating

1761
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: my head in right as we were running down the field.

1762
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 2: You get taken out on the play I.

1763
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: Get taken out. This is the kickoff. This is one

1764
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: of the tackles I made on a kickoff. But so

1765
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: I know that Elbert is out, has hit me. So

1766
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 1: I got to cut underneath Albert to get to the

1767
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: return guy. And I know if I do, or I

1768
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,719
Speaker 1: catch cut under Dion. If I do, Albert's gonna beat

1769
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: me up. So he did, and I knocked me and

1770
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: I ended up causing a fumble and those couple of plays,

1771
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 1: and I was the MVP. Presto Chango awesome. Brownie's back

1772
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 1: in tomorrow one o'clock. We'll see you then,