WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Shark Arm Murders

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry's here sitting in for Dave. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's a short stuff. That's a bingo, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're talking about the Shark Arm murder and we

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<v Speaker 2>need to thank the Dictionary of Sydney, the Sydney Crime Museum,

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<v Speaker 2>Snopes and Atlas Obscura.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow you really did that up man.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that at Let's Obscure site. That's a great,

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<v Speaker 3>great website.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Same here, same with Snopes too, they're good too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and hey, hats off to the Sydney Crime Museum

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<v Speaker 3>while we're at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and who could leave out the Dictionary of Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're talking about Sydney because that's where the Shark

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<v Speaker 2>Arm murders took place, infamous crime in Sydney, Australia's history

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty five.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is how it starts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a fisherman was fishing off of Coooge Beach and

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<v Speaker 2>caught a little small shark and then right after that

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<v Speaker 2>at a larger tiger shark swallowed that smaller shark and

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<v Speaker 2>so all of a sudden he has two sharks.

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<v Speaker 3>Because this tiger shark was so big.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, hey, this thing, maybe I should take

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<v Speaker 2>this in to the aquarium bass there in Koujie because

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be a nice like attraction for people to come

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<v Speaker 2>see it, Like it was still alive and people can

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<v Speaker 2>come see this dreadful shark swimming around because sharks had

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<v Speaker 2>been killing people around the area lately, so he thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was a pretty good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just over the course of a couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>three different men were killed by sharks New South Wales beaches,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was a big deal to catch this shark

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<v Speaker 1>that may have been the one or at least one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ones. And he was right, like there were

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that showed up to see this

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<v Speaker 1>giant shark. I mean, twelve feet is pretty long, right,

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<v Speaker 1>big shark, and those tiger sharks they're ba's too. At

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<v Speaker 1>any rate, the shark was given the people what they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to see, you know, like you would swim around

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<v Speaker 1>along the window and just flip the people off. He

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<v Speaker 1>had a real bad attitude exactly what they wanted to see,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was acting pretty normally. And then on April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth, which was Anzac Day in Australia, which is

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<v Speaker 1>I taking it as similar to our Memorial Day here

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. The shark started acting really weird,

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<v Speaker 1>like he started getting lethargic and sluggish, like a wet sponge.

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<v Speaker 1>He seemed disoriented, and then all of a sudden, everything

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<v Speaker 1>came to a head.

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<v Speaker 3>Essentially, Yeah, the shark goes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's usually your part and pukes up a human arm.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone freaks out. They assumed initially, of course, like

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<v Speaker 2>this is probably an arm of another bather that had

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<v Speaker 2>bad timing and bad luck. But when they did the

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<v Speaker 2>medical examination, they were like, this was no tiger shark. No, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I just watched Jaws with Ruby, so I had to

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<v Speaker 2>work at Jaws.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote in there. Sure she liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was delighted. She didn't love it, but she liked it,

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<v Speaker 2>Like she hung in there through the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that a happy birthday treat for her to watch Jalls?

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, Happy birthday to both of you in real

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<v Speaker 3>time youthday made Ruby.

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<v Speaker 2>We did all our private birthday stuff and Ruby sent

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<v Speaker 2>you a video and you sent her.

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<v Speaker 1>One, which is very sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine we'll do that for the rest of our lives. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so at any rate. Back to the autopsy.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, not not some half assed shark autopsy, but a

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<v Speaker 2>shark an autopsy on this arm. They were like, this

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<v Speaker 2>was not a shark biting this arm off, Like this

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<v Speaker 2>thing was cut off with something sharp. It wasn't shark teeth,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was not surgery either, So I think we

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<v Speaker 2>have a murder on our hands. And again with jaws,

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, whatever that shark ate has bound to

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<v Speaker 2>still be in there. And this arm was in there, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>fairly well preserved, like you could see a tattoo of

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of boxers about.

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<v Speaker 3>To go at it.

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<v Speaker 2>They put it out in the newspaper and a guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Edwin Smith was like, I think that might be

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<v Speaker 2>my brother's arm. He had this tattoo and he's been

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<v Speaker 2>gone missing for a few weeks. And the cops are like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, they were able to get fingerprints, and they're like, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>bing baning, we have a winner.

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<v Speaker 3>That is Jim Smith's arm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I say that we take a break here and

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<v Speaker 1>come back and talk about Jim Smith a little bit. Alrighty,

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<v Speaker 1>So Chuck, we're back, and Jim Smith has just been

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<v Speaker 1>confirm to be the owner of the arm. But the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of Jim Smith has not been found, so the

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<v Speaker 1>cops are approaching this now as a murder. They start

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<v Speaker 1>looking into Jim Smith's background and they find out that

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<v Speaker 1>he was a builder, but he was bankrupt. He also

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<v Speaker 1>made some money on the side, working basically in the underworld.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a boxer, he was a bookmaker. He also

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to be a smuggler, as we'll see at

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<v Speaker 1>the And this was also at a time in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirties in Sydney it was like gang land apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>like there was open gang war in the street for

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<v Speaker 1>control of Sydney's underworld. It was just that lucrative, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I get the impression that if you were bankrupt,

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<v Speaker 1>you could always turn to Sydney's world of crime and

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<v Speaker 1>start making some money too, And Jim Smith had done that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sounds like it.

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<v Speaker 2>So investigators found out that his last known whereabouts were

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<v Speaker 2>he was drinking with his friend Patrick Brady at a hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to say crenula, but it may be cronula,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know, yeah, would be an Aussie will tell.

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<v Speaker 1>Us when you say Kogi beach. It just dawned on

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<v Speaker 1>me that, like we hadn't looked up the pronunciations in

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<v Speaker 1>like that cartoon sweat like jumped off of my forehead.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a kogie because it's two o's, but

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<v Speaker 2>that might not be right either. But it could bezz Loves,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it could be coogie.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, I will here. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about it later in a listener mail. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking forward to all the Ozzy pronunciations coming back

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<v Speaker 2>to us.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's koogie because there's the Coogie Beach Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>at Outback Steakhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to believe you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I could see it, so, I mean, that's definitely possible

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So Brady, his buddy that he was drinking with. He

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<v Speaker 2>was also sort of a bad guy. He was an

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<v Speaker 2>expert forger and the cops knew about him. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was a cab driver there that had some pretty key information.

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<v Speaker 2>Which was on the morning after Jim Smith had last

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<v Speaker 2>been seeing drinking with his friend. His friend Brady had

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<v Speaker 2>hailed this cab said take me to North Sydney and

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<v Speaker 2>pull up outside this house and wait for me. And

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<v Speaker 2>that house turned out to be the house of a

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<v Speaker 2>guy named Reginald Lloyd. Holmes, who was, as far as

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<v Speaker 2>everyone knew, generally a respectable boat builder. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>boat building business. But on the other side of the coin,

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<v Speaker 2>he was also a, like you said, a smuggler. He

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<v Speaker 2>apparently had a thing where he would build these speedboats

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<v Speaker 2>and he would drive around Sydney Harbor and pick up

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<v Speaker 2>discarded contraband. I guess when the noose was tightening on

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<v Speaker 2>real smugglers, they would dump like cocaine and cigarettes and

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<v Speaker 2>other contraband, and he would drive around and or his

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<v Speaker 2>guys would drive around and pick this stuff up. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think Brady and Smith were some of these guys

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<v Speaker 2>at times, or at least Smith was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Smith definitely was. And I think these were actually

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<v Speaker 1>like this was like these were planned rendezvous. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>how they transferred the cargo.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I thought it was like they were in trouble

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<v Speaker 2>so they would dump their load.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know. It hadn't occurred to

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<v Speaker 1>me that they dumped their load.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>So either way, that's how he made his money. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>like he was picking up cocaine in the thirties, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge, huge business in Sydney. Everybody and their

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<v Speaker 1>brother and their mother and their little sister was on

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<v Speaker 1>cocaine constantly in Sydney. At any rate, it was shown

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<v Speaker 1>that Jim Smith worked for Reginald Holmes, and now with

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<v Speaker 1>this cab driver coming forward, they had the last man

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<v Speaker 1>to be seen with Jim Smith while Jim Smith was

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<v Speaker 1>alive taking a cab and acting very cagey, as the

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<v Speaker 1>cab driver would would later testify to Reginald Holmes's house,

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<v Speaker 1>and Reginald Holmes was connected to Jim Smith. So now

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Smith's arm seemed really really connected to Reginald Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>and Patrick Brady.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So it turns out that Smith and Holmes had a

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<v Speaker 2>falling out over an entrance scam, and there was the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that Smith was blackmailing Holmes was like, hey, you're

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<v Speaker 2>a respectable boat builder, so you don't want this to

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<v Speaker 2>get out kind of thing, and that cab ride was

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<v Speaker 2>linked to, you know, the murder and Holmes at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>So cops got on this theory that Brady had murdered

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<v Speaker 2>Smith cut his arm off, like he was directed to

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<v Speaker 2>murder Smith because of the blackmail thing by Holmes brought

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<v Speaker 2>it to Holmes. It's like, hey, this guy's dead. You

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<v Speaker 2>thought I'd bring a finger. This is Sydney, here's his arm.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the idea. At least Holmes had an explanation,

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<v Speaker 2>was that Brady brought it to him as like he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to extort Holmes and was like, hey, I

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<v Speaker 2>just like killed this guy and here's an arm, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I really mean business, So you got to pay up.

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<v Speaker 2>The arm obviously was later just thrown back in the ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>and the shark hated. The rest of the body everyone

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<v Speaker 2>presumes was just like weighted and sunk.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably yeah, it didn't ever come back up. The arm

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<v Speaker 1>came back up right right, thanks to our shark friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Problem is, you could put all this stuff together and

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<v Speaker 1>painted a pretty convincing picture, I guess of Brady and

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes's involvement in the disappearance and probable murder of Jim Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was all circumstantial. So as any cop from

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<v Speaker 1>the thirties in Sydney could tell you, you need a confession.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't like Chinatown. This is Sydney, nineteen thirties. We

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<v Speaker 1>need confessions. We can't convict people on circumstantial evidence. So

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<v Speaker 1>they started to turn up the heat on those two

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<v Speaker 1>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>They arrest Brady, take him to the police station. They

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<v Speaker 2>bring Holmes in. He's like, I don't even know this

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<v Speaker 2>Brady guy. And everything kind of stalled out basically because

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<v Speaker 2>they know nobody was confessing anything until May twentieth. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is when Holmes leaves in a speedboat out into

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<v Speaker 2>the harbor and pulls out a gun to try and

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<v Speaker 2>kill himself. And he fails at that, but when he

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<v Speaker 2>falls into the water where he might have drowned at

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<v Speaker 2>that point, but a rope catches his arm and stops

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<v Speaker 2>him from drowning. Being plunged in that cold water. I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, revived him and he gets back on board.

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<v Speaker 2>Police are on the scene at this point, and there

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<v Speaker 2>is a four hour boat chase through Sydney Harbor until

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<v Speaker 2>finally Holmes is like, all right, like you got me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm bored with riding around on my boat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's fairly suspicious behavior, and the cops took it

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<v Speaker 1>that way too. When they arrested Holmes, he said, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm just going to give in entirely here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to testify against Patrick Brady. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>one who killed Jim Smith, I'm your guy. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a great witness. How about you just let

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<v Speaker 1>me go take a little drive in my car for

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<v Speaker 1>a little while. I got to clear my head. And

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes head was cleared for him. Actually his chest was

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<v Speaker 1>because he was found shortly after that dead in his

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<v Speaker 1>car with three gunshot wounds to the chest.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So now that Holmes is dead, basically the whole case

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<v Speaker 2>against Brady falls apart because that was, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>key link, this this cab driver. Like they had that testimony,

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<v Speaker 2>but that wasn't enough to you know, to convict anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>So it did, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to trial, but it was a pretty quick trial,

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<v Speaker 2>and the judge was basically like, you know, we can't

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<v Speaker 2>do anything but a quit at this point because all

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<v Speaker 2>we have is circumstantial evidence. Right, So you'd think it

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<v Speaker 2>might be over at this point, but it's not. Because

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out that Smith had been a police informant

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<v Speaker 2>or what they call a fizzer or a fiz gig

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<v Speaker 2>I guess in Sydney at that time, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>informed on a guy named Eddie Wayman, and it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like Wayman turned out to be the trigger man because

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<v Speaker 2>he had gotten rated out basically by Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a theory for sure. An author named Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Castle's advanced that theory because Eddie Weyman was definitely the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of person to do that. He was a very

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous person in the Sydney underworld at a time when

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<v Speaker 1>the Sydney underworld was basically nothing but dangerous people. That's

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<v Speaker 1>possible because remember here, like, we have no idea still

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<v Speaker 1>to this day, who killed Holmes. Yeah, it was possibly

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<v Speaker 1>Brady because he was certainly the one to gain the

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<v Speaker 1>most from it. But we just don't know another.

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<v Speaker 2>Kid's in the cocaine business too, So there could There

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<v Speaker 2>were probably all kinds of people that wanted him dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and he had shown that he was willing to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to cops, right, And since Jim Smith had shown

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<v Speaker 1>that he was willing to talk to cops by renting

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<v Speaker 1>out Eddie Weyman, another theory is that both of them

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<v Speaker 1>were just rubbed out, as you know, part of the

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<v Speaker 1>normal business of Gangland Sydney's at Sydney in the nineteen thirties, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that they were just stool pigeons who were both murdered,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just so happened that those murders were wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>up into this shark arm murder caper.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>There still one more theory, and this came from Atlas Obscura.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they made it up or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was on their website at least. But they

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<v Speaker 2>in their article they said they think they pulled a

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<v Speaker 2>Fletch or Holmes. Did they think Holmes hired a hipman

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<v Speaker 2>to kill him in a weird like suicide, to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of him and spare his family the scandal of him,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, being this big criminal, and to get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some clean insurance money that they could collect upon his death.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what Fletch does, and confess Fletch.

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<v Speaker 2>No, in the original Fletch, that's what Tim Mathoson does.

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<v Speaker 3>He hires Fletch to kill him.

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<v Speaker 1>I see, I see.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that you hated Fletch, so you probably don't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to go back if I can stomach it

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<v Speaker 1>and watch some of the works of Chevy Chase and c.

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<v Speaker 1>If I still dislike him as much, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>I will even more. Yeah, I'm curious, all right, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>let you know how it goes.

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<v Speaker 3>There were some good ones. There were a handful of

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<v Speaker 3>really good Chevy Chase movies.

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, the one I remember liking the most

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<v Speaker 1>seems like old times.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well that's Neil Simon. So oh okay, that's

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<v Speaker 2>Chevy Chase. Even if you hate Chevy Chase, you got

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<v Speaker 2>a Neil Simon script at the root of that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Neil Simon, I watched for you. Asked me

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<v Speaker 1>the other week or so ago which movie I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>the most, and I watched rewatched Murdered by Death again.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this one is definitely up there. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen Murdered by Death a lot, and it's still it

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<v Speaker 1>holds up every single time you watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well, I still haven't seen that. I need

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<v Speaker 3>to check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really yeah, okay, well let me know what you

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<v Speaker 1>think I will. All right, well, in the meantime, short stuffs.

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