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Speaker 1: episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 1: Baseball podcast network. Recording Wednesday evening, July thirty. First post
Speaker 1: scheme of the Mariners getting walked off in Boston. We'll
Speaker 1: say it's only been three days, but I do miss
Speaker 1: playing the White Sox. I think that was a little
Speaker 1: bit more relaxing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. Why because they're may be gonna be
Speaker 2: the worst team of all time.
Speaker 1: That might have something to do with it. Certainly less
Speaker 1: stressful than watching this team attempt to play a series
Speaker 1: in Boston, which will now it will now be a
Speaker 1: full decade between winning series, at least between winning series
Speaker 1: in Boston a decade. It was funny they were reading
Speaker 1: it on the radio today, some of the players in
Speaker 1: the series, the last time the Mariners won a game
Speaker 1: in Boston. Do you realize there were two current general
Speaker 1: managers playing in that game in that series?
Speaker 2: You mean the last time they won a series in Boston, the.
Speaker 1: Last time they won the series in Boston.
Speaker 2: So Craig Bresla was probably playing. It's one yep, Jerry
Speaker 2: wasn't still playing by that. No, it's not in division?
Speaker 2: Can it be any GM in baseball?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh Chris Young?
Speaker 1: Yeah, start a game two?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what that's how.
Speaker 2: You know? Again? I still give the Mariners credit for
Speaker 2: winning that White Sox series because they face two very
Speaker 2: good starters and a young starter with some real upside.
Speaker 2: They're throwing the ball well in Drew Thorpe. So I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna totally gloss over that the Mariners winning in
Speaker 2: Chicago and sweeping in Chicago, but they got to find
Speaker 2: a way to start beating some of these competitive teams.
Speaker 2: They have to. There are four games under five hundred
Speaker 2: against teams that are over five hundred this year. That's
Speaker 2: not great. It's not awful, but it's not great. And
Speaker 2: they're actually gonna have some advantage over the Phillies this
Speaker 2: weekend because you look at the Phillies and the Mariners
Speaker 2: on paper and it's well, these can be the two
Speaker 2: best rotations in baseball. But where the Mariners actually luck
Speaker 2: out this weekend is they miss Aaron Nola and they're
Speaker 2: not facing Ranger Suarez because he's on the il, so
Speaker 2: they faced Tyler Phillips and Colby Allar the first two games.
Speaker 2: There's actually a chance there to take those take that series.
Speaker 2: But again, you have to start capitalizing.
Speaker 1: You just have to, yeah, you do. It was stressful
Speaker 1: this week or this week just playing in that ballpark,
Speaker 1: sort of the feel of it it. So this is
Speaker 1: going to sort of relate to our first mail back question.
Speaker 1: We'll get throw a mail back here in a few
Speaker 1: but Fenway is the second best run scoring environment in
Speaker 1: baseball this year, which is not shocking given some of
Speaker 1: the hits the Red Sox have where they could literally
Speaker 1: hit a ball that's like an expected batting average of
Speaker 1: below one hundred and it would just go off the
Speaker 1: monster for a double boom boom boom, and there's not
Speaker 1: much of the Mariner's pitchers could do about it, but
Speaker 1: certainly a lot more stressful. We didn't see any dominant
Speaker 1: outings from any Mariners starter or really reliever. This weekend
Speaker 1: was not a great weekend for the bullpen either, and
Speaker 1: you know, sort of disappointing that a team that we
Speaker 1: feel like the Red Sox are on the Mariners talent level,
Speaker 1: but this season it just seems like the Red Sox,
Speaker 1: especially in this series, you know, sort of just found
Speaker 1: a way more often than not to come through against
Speaker 1: this team. Well, and we talked about we talked about
Speaker 1: Monday's game on Wednesday's podcast releasing technically today when we're
Speaker 1: recording this on Wednesday, but when we recorded it after
Speaker 1: Monday or after Tuesday's game, where Logan Gilbert just you know,
Speaker 1: kind of got screwed on a pitch and you know,
Speaker 1: there's not too much you could do about that. But
Speaker 1: the lack of execution, I would say from some of
Speaker 1: the Mariners pitching was was was troubling. And then and
Speaker 1: then in Game three today they made they were sort
Speaker 1: of hanging on by deer life and had Jonathan Diaz
Speaker 1: pitch pitching the tenth inning with some other guys available,
Speaker 1: which was disappointing. He comes in and Raffie Devers walks
Speaker 1: it off and it was just a frustrating series. Mitch
Speaker 1: Garver had one of his worst in a bad season
Speaker 1: for him, had one of his worst games of the
Speaker 1: season on Wednesday, and it's just disappointing. So back to
Speaker 1: your point, loll about needing to play better against five
Speaker 1: hundred Teasyeah, it's gotta start this weekend because eventually, to
Speaker 1: make us all feel comfortable, they got a at some
Speaker 1: distance between themselves and the Astros again. They finally willed
Speaker 1: themselves back into first place this week, a game lead
Speaker 1: entering Wednesday's game, But you know, I could go, who
Speaker 1: knows what that's gonna look like on Friday as well.
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna require winning streak, and winning streaks are
Speaker 1: gonna require beating good teams like they did earlier in
Speaker 1: this season when they built a ten game lead, and unfortunately,
Speaker 1: some injuries have nagged the lineup a little bit on
Speaker 1: this road trip. The pitching, you know, on the road
Speaker 1: is not has been well documented. It has not been
Speaker 1: as good as it's been at home. That's plus for
Speaker 1: this weekend, but a minus for having to go and
Speaker 1: play teams like the Red Sox who hit a lot,
Speaker 1: and they hit a lot against the MS this weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I want to give the Mariners offense some
Speaker 2: credit here because the first five games of this road
Speaker 2: trip they scored forty combined runs, so they really did
Speaker 2: break out and they showed some real life. Now, you
Speaker 2: can't do that all the time, and as a result,
Speaker 2: on Wednesday they didn't. They scored two runs, But overall,
Speaker 2: I think it was actually a fine road trip. A
Speaker 2: four and two road trip is a fine road trip.
Speaker 2: It just would have been very nice to see them
Speaker 2: get that game on Wednesday. So, like, you know, they're
Speaker 2: not coming back from this thing one in five where
Speaker 2: they lost two of three to the White Sox, then
Speaker 2: we'd be having having an entirely different conversation. There's reasons
Speaker 2: to be excited, like these trades have clearly, in a
Speaker 2: very short time span so far, helped not just help
Speaker 2: the offense and its production, but help the energy of
Speaker 2: the team too. But that doesn't change the fact that
Speaker 2: you have got to start taking advantage of competitive teams,
Speaker 2: and the Marders are gonna have a stretch here where
Speaker 2: they're playing a bunch of competitive teams. They're gonna play
Speaker 2: the Phillies, They're gonna play the Mets, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 2: And you're gonna like, the Tigers aren't great, but they're
Speaker 2: honestly not a pushover either. So you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: find a way to take advantage of some of these
Speaker 2: competitive teams and hopefully at home with your pitchers at home.
Speaker 2: You do that. I do. I do worry about Gregory
Speaker 2: Santos on just a minute here on that just because
Speaker 2: he's now you're now talking about this season. He has
Speaker 2: endured a lot injury, a knee injury, and now he
Speaker 2: has a bicep injury. We don't know the extent of
Speaker 2: what the bicep injury is yet here on Wednesday is
Speaker 2: gonna go. He's gonna undergo an MRI. But oof not.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been a season of bad luck for him,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: And the Mariners can't really afford to lose him. The bulp,
Speaker 1: the the high leverage bullpen arms are few and far between,
Speaker 1: and you felt that this weekend they're really the only
Speaker 1: time the Mariners were truly able to put out the
Speaker 1: fire with the bullpen was Game two with Garcia and
Speaker 1: Muno's pitching back to back innings. That was it. That
Speaker 1: was the only time all weekend a reliever from the
Speaker 1: Mariner's bullpen came in and you felt comfortable about it.
Speaker 1: Which if you're gonna have to go on the road
Speaker 1: down the stretch and in the playoffs, it's not all.
Speaker 1: That's not ultimately gonna gonna help you out very much.
Speaker 1: It stinks, and we want Gregory Santos to pitch, but
Speaker 1: this just feels like it's gonna to be a lost
Speaker 1: season for him. This is since this is a this
Speaker 1: is technically I guess his third injury of the season
Speaker 1: for spring training. Spring training and then the two injuries
Speaker 1: in season. That's just this is this third third injury.
Speaker 1: I would feel like at this point, based on whatever
Speaker 1: that MRI says, I feel like they're just gonna be
Speaker 1: cautious and they'll just put him, put them on the
Speaker 1: I l it and you know, that'll bring Gabe Spider
Speaker 1: back to the big leagues, which which will be nice.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be nice to have gave back in
Speaker 1: the big leagues. But they really really could use Gregory Santos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's disappointing. And the of some more troubling news
Speaker 1: out of this week is Victor Roblay sounds like he's
Speaker 1: gonna be doing with a hip issue for the rest
Speaker 1: of the season. That's not comforting. No Mariners need him,
Speaker 1: They need him at the top of the lineup, they
Speaker 1: need him hitting. I it's not gonna be good if
Speaker 1: if his performance is wilted a little bit by by
Speaker 1: this nagging issue. Scott Servis was making it sound like
Speaker 1: this isn't something that you could ten day I lum
Speaker 1: for and it goes away. So makes me a little nervous.
Speaker 2: So he's gonna have to play through it. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of guys playing I mean, there's players all throughout
Speaker 2: baseball that play through a ton of injuries during the season.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even want to know the laundry
Speaker 2: list of things that cal Riley's playing through. Yes, he
Speaker 2: does every year, but he's playing through it. So for Roblace,
Speaker 2: he's just gonna have to find a way to play
Speaker 2: through it, because it doesn't sound like they're gonna ee
Speaker 2: l him. It doesn't sound like ten days off his
Speaker 2: feet is just gonna fix everything. So if that's true,
Speaker 2: he's just gonna have to find a way to fight
Speaker 2: through this injury like a lot of players do. It's
Speaker 2: not gonna be easy, but he's gonna have to find
Speaker 2: a way to do it because he has, for all
Speaker 2: the right reasons, played himself into a role where the
Speaker 2: Mariners are relying on him and they need him. So
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to find a way to fight through
Speaker 2: the injury.
Speaker 1: And sometimes though it will still deteriorate even Collus performance,
Speaker 1: as tough as he is, we'll see the impact that
Speaker 1: injuries will take on him fatigue wise and all. So
Speaker 1: that's not the same for roblists. Let's hope he can
Speaker 1: find a way to look healthy with his play down
Speaker 1: the stretch. It might lead him to moro offtes. But
Speaker 1: thankfully the Mariners now will have you know, they have Randy,
Speaker 1: they have a right handed hitting corner outfielder who's a
Speaker 1: stud who hits well, and Julio's coming back as well.
Speaker 1: You can manage that, So that's good.
Speaker 2: I know we're gonna get to our mail back here
Speaker 2: in just a minute. On a more positive note, here.
Speaker 2: Can we spend a minute talking about the positives of
Speaker 2: Victor Roblace and the positives of Jorge Polanco here, because
Speaker 2: we haven't really had a chance to do it in weeks.
Speaker 2: We've had so many specified episodes that we've had to
Speaker 2: hit on over the last couple of weeks, between the
Speaker 2: draft shows and having Joe on to break down the
Speaker 2: Mariners draft class and the trade deadlines and Randy and
Speaker 2: like and everything, all of that kind of taking center
Speaker 2: stage in place of two guys who are very deserving
Speaker 2: of some real, real credit for what they've done. And
Speaker 2: I think everybody knows what Victor Roblace has now meant
Speaker 2: to the Mariner, especially over the last month, where the
Speaker 2: guy's got a nine to fifty. Ops, like that's real.
Speaker 2: He he looks like the top by prospect he was
Speaker 2: once supposed to be all of a sudden, But Jorge
Speaker 2: Polanco man like he was to this fan base, and
Speaker 2: at one point it felt like to the team too,
Speaker 2: with how little he was playing, it felt dead in
Speaker 2: the water with him. For at one point it felt
Speaker 2: like maybe he wasn't gonna be on the roster after
Speaker 2: the deadline. Well, fast forward to now, Polanco since about
Speaker 2: the tenth of July has turned everything around. Last two weeks,
Speaker 2: he's opsing about eight fifty. It's been awesome, Like they
Speaker 2: need this guy down the stretch. You want to talk
Speaker 2: about finding more sources of offense, and if Roe Blaze
Speaker 2: is gonna be a little bit hampered, if Cal's playing
Speaker 2: through injuries, Julio's gonna be playing through an injury. Polanco's
Speaker 2: dealing with injuries in his own right. But you want
Speaker 2: to talk about a guy that's really done a one
Speaker 2: to eighty on his season. He looks like the guy
Speaker 2: now that they traded for.
Speaker 1: And we're we're eventually gonna hear a cliche joke that
Speaker 1: it's almost like they added a third bat at the
Speaker 1: deadline with Jorge Plonco. We're gonna hear it. Oh well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear it, even if it's not technically true.
Speaker 1: I think we'll hear it. And it's important because they
Speaker 1: need guys to hit at the top of the lineup,
Speaker 1: especially with JP and Julio out. Especially with JP out,
Speaker 1: they need some production in the infield, like like up
Speaker 1: and down. So it's nice that Justin Turner's come back
Speaker 1: in and Justin they you know, they trade for Justin Turner.
Speaker 1: He's your first base slash DH and he's gonna give
Speaker 1: you a little bit of production. But you know, even
Speaker 1: pre chuee deadline, at this point, we were looking at
Speaker 1: Dylan Moore slash Leo Rivas at shortstop. Dylan Moore has
Speaker 1: actually been been Okay, Demo's a little bit streaky. He's
Speaker 1: been streaky his whole career, but right now he's in
Speaker 1: the midst of more of a good streak offensively. But
Speaker 1: Josh Rojas, a third has really struggled offensively, had a
Speaker 1: good road trip, but overall since May rolled around, has
Speaker 1: been dreadful offensively. So the Mariners needed to find some
Speaker 1: way to get some offensive production out of their infield,
Speaker 1: and they've got them at second base, thankfully, from both
Speaker 1: sides of the plate, he's been you know, Polanco's just
Speaker 1: sort starting to show a little bit why the Mariner's
Speaker 1: traded for him and not that, and that he perhaps
Speaker 1: isn't washed. Maybe there's a chance he's not. He's still
Speaker 1: got two whole months left to go. He could turn
Speaker 1: around and have an atrocious August and we do back
Speaker 1: to square one. I hope not. Mariners, sure hope not,
Speaker 1: because they can't afford to have him. While JP Crawford
Speaker 1: is out to have an atrocious August, He's gonna have
Speaker 1: to be the offensive driver on the infield. They're gonna
Speaker 1: need some position on the infield to have some sort
Speaker 1: of anchor offensively, and right now it's got to be him.
Speaker 1: Showed it on this road trip. He's hitting the ball
Speaker 1: over the fence, spraying the ball around. It's nice to
Speaker 1: see they, even in the like the more boomer way
Speaker 1: of talking about baseball, someone to sit up there and
Speaker 1: drive in runs when Roeblaze is on in front of
Speaker 1: you and Randy's on in front of you. Someone to
Speaker 1: drive in runs and not strike out. It's nice.
Speaker 2: He's hat about a one forty WRC plus since around
Speaker 2: the tenth of July. That that's the guy they traded for.
Speaker 2: That's more than the guy they traded for.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that keeps up the entire second half,
Speaker 2: but if it does, there's your infield production. He's doing
Speaker 2: it right now from both sides of the plate too.
Speaker 2: So his defense is never going to be great. We
Speaker 2: know he's still battling through some injuries, but if he
Speaker 2: can keep hitting That makes a very very drastic difference.
Speaker 1: Is there an on the Mariners right now? Not hurt anybody? Hmmm, Randy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably Randy the rotationally, just Randy the rotation. Yeah. They're
Speaker 1: doing okay. I think really they They haven't admitted anything,
Speaker 1: so that's good. Well except for except for Brian will
Speaker 1: I will note just confirm, like Jorge Polanco since July ninth,
Speaker 1: has a twenty one percent k rate. Look at that
Speaker 1: twenty one percent, and we were sitting here puzzled, why
Speaker 1: why the heck? He was striking out thirty one percent
Speaker 1: of the time early on in the season. Made no sense.
Speaker 1: This is more Jorge Polanco a twenty percent strikeout rate
Speaker 1: and eight percent walk rate. The WRC plus is not
Speaker 1: gonna sustain itself. That sample I chose it was one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two. It's not gonna stay that way.
Speaker 1: But you know, one twenty with those rates still pretty good,
Speaker 1: still pretty valuable, and still what the Mariners gave up.
Speaker 1: You know, guys like Justin Topa for to improve offensively
Speaker 1: this season. It's funny when guys actually play like they're
Speaker 1: supposed to.
Speaker 2: This offense works, Yes, it does, and as a result,
Speaker 2: they scored forty runs across five games. Hopefully when they
Speaker 2: come home long home stretch coming up, they can take
Speaker 2: advantage of it. Even playing some good teams like you
Speaker 2: get Randy and Justin Turner playing at home for the
Speaker 2: first time, you get this Jorge Polanka who's really swinging it. Well,
Speaker 2: you get Julio back. I think he's got a chance
Speaker 2: to be back this weekend. They say, you get him back.
Speaker 2: You you know cal keeps hitting.
Speaker 1: Is the ten days this weekend?
Speaker 2: What's that is?
Speaker 1: The ten days this weekend.
Speaker 2: I heard something that he might that he has a
Speaker 2: chance to be back this weekend. But we'll see.
Speaker 1: Hmm, okay, all right, So I hope, So, I hope.
Speaker 1: So it'd be nice. It'd be nice to get Julio
Speaker 1: back and then get this guy on track in August two.
Speaker 1: Please could do a whole lot. Maybe he just needed
Speaker 1: a breather, a breather on the sideline. Before we get
Speaker 1: to our mailback. I would just want to note a
Speaker 1: couple of things. One, Lono will I'll be back up
Speaker 1: in Seattle this weekend. Lona will both be at the
Speaker 1: ballpark all three days versus the Phillies. If you're going
Speaker 1: to a game, Come say hello, Come say hello to us.
Speaker 1: Best time to do it. We usually go out to
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Speaker 2: We're fired up about it. We've done it once, we're
Speaker 2: excited to do it a second time. We've got another
Speaker 2: good ranked planned. I think we've got a bunch of
Speaker 2: fun segments planned. So we're excited now that there's Seahawks
Speaker 2: training camp in full swing. They're actually gonna have us
Speaker 2: talks in football too, So we're mostly gonna do Mariners
Speaker 2: like that's probably why we're there for the most part.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna do a little bit of both so
Speaker 2: you can hear us talk about both. We are not
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Speaker 2: He's good. He's good, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: And Okay, we'll let your warm up. That's your warm
Speaker 1: up for Friday. Okay, graduation. There we go.
Speaker 2: And if you're not their pregame and just want to
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Speaker 2: we'll be walking around at some points and you can
Speaker 2: send us a DM all that stuff. So oh and
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll do it. I'm sure we'll be doing
Speaker 2: fan questions out in the pen too. So if you
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's get to the mailbag in a second
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Speaker 2: All right, mailbag, let's get to the mailback. Let's start
Speaker 2: with a question from typical Underscore Ethan on Instagram, and
Speaker 2: the question is, seriously is it worth moving the walls
Speaker 2: in at t Mobile Park? Pros and cons of doing that?
Speaker 2: Pros It would certainly help the offense. Cons. This team
Speaker 2: is built on great starting pitching, and if you move
Speaker 2: the fences in at t Mobile Park. Who's to say
Speaker 2: their home road splits stone all of a sudden, become
Speaker 2: a little more even and they pitch a little more
Speaker 2: similarly to how they do on the road.
Speaker 1: How much would it really improve the offense? I'm curious, like, really,
Speaker 1: how much do you think you would improve the offense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is the thing. It's not like this
Speaker 2: offense flies out to the warning track all the time.
Speaker 2: They strike out a lot. They don't put the bat
Speaker 2: on the ball a lot. So I don't know how
Speaker 2: much moving the fences in helps. I think of anything,
Speaker 2: the batter's eye needs to be changed.
Speaker 1: Right, and this question doesn't include that, So we're not
Speaker 1: touching the batters ites, only the fences. So I'm not
Speaker 1: sure really how much this actually helps your offense. All
Speaker 1: I think this does is piss off your pitchers, And
Speaker 1: you know what, your pitchers are the best part of
Speaker 1: your team. So as of right now, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the biggest con would be keeping Logan Gilbert, George Kirby,
Speaker 1: Luis Castillo, Bryce Miller, Brian will Happy and your ropin
Speaker 1: and keep the fences right where they are. They already
Speaker 1: moved the fences in a decade ago that if you
Speaker 1: look at the dimensions of Team Obile Park, they're very normal.
Speaker 1: They're normal dimensions. They're about as standard dimensions as you
Speaker 1: can have in Major League Baseball. So I moving it,
Speaker 1: moving the fences in, I don't think would have the
Speaker 1: effect you would want it to on the Mariner offense.
Speaker 1: Because guess what they moved the fences in to improve
Speaker 1: the Mariners offense? Was it twenty thirteen? Here we are
Speaker 1: eleven years later, and the offense still stinks.
Speaker 2: So if you remember how crazy those dimensions used to
Speaker 2: be at their large, it was three eighty eight to
Speaker 2: left center where you see the three seventy six side Now,
Speaker 2: it was three eighty eight. I'm pretty sure that was
Speaker 2: the longest distance out to a gap that you can
Speaker 2: find in baseball, aside from where's the where's the really
Speaker 2: long left center field? There is one in baseball. I'm
Speaker 2: blanking on where it is right now?
Speaker 1: Uh in left center pirates? No, that was center. Let's
Speaker 1: mostly center field?
Speaker 2: Okay, point being left center was very very far at
Speaker 2: T Mobile Park, paired with the marine layers still existed
Speaker 2: back then and balls would not fly. So yeah, the
Speaker 2: dimensions now are pretty normal, but it still doesn't change
Speaker 2: the fact that I don't know if move the fences
Speaker 2: in more really does that much, because this is a
Speaker 2: team built on pitching, and this offense it's again, they're
Speaker 2: not flying out to the track, they're striking out.
Speaker 1: So this question made me think about the Mariners Park factory.
Speaker 1: You rose, it's actually gone down again. It's not ninety one. How, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's absurdly low. I think the next highest one's ninety six.
Speaker 1: Next lowest one is ninety six. That's insane. I think
Speaker 1: that's bigger. That's a bigger difference. I believe. I'll double
Speaker 1: check it, but I believe it's a bigger difference between
Speaker 1: cors Field, which is the number one offensive park, and Fenway,
Speaker 1: which is number two.
Speaker 2: It's just crazy that Seattle is that much tougher to
Speaker 2: hit at than Oracle, which is also a very long
Speaker 2: left center field fence, but Oracle like you're closer to
Speaker 2: the water at Oracle Park than you are at t
Speaker 2: Mobile Park. Yet somehow it's a more hitter friendly park.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that works actually, And the dimensions
Speaker 2: are tougher I think at Oracle.
Speaker 1: Park they are, so the difference in park factor is
Speaker 1: actually the same. So the Mariner T Mobile parks as
Speaker 1: much of an outlier for offensive suppression as coors Field is,
Speaker 1: so as the difference between one and two and then
Speaker 1: twenty nine and thirty. When it comes to part factor.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming San Francisco's twenty nine.
Speaker 1: I closed it. Let me look, but it's I know,
Speaker 1: the podreser down. Let's see, Guardians are actually second last.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, so where's Oracle Park?
Speaker 1: Oracle Park is twenty eighth, Razor twenty ninth. Oh, there's
Speaker 1: thirty one parks. By the way, they have London in here.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, hang on, the Rays are twenty ninth. You said,
Speaker 2: the Guardians are twenty ninth.
Speaker 1: Guardians are thirtieth. They have London in here too, So
Speaker 1: there's thirty one parks. Let's see. The Mets are twenty six,
Speaker 1: Padres twenty seven, Giants twenty eight raised, twenty nine, Guardians thirty,
Speaker 1: Mariner's thirty one.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, it's just crazy because again, like they're like Oracle
Speaker 2: doesn't have a roof. It's even more open than T Mobile.
Speaker 2: Like there are there are barricades a little bit in
Speaker 2: Seattle at T Mobile Park that might keep a little
Speaker 2: bit of wind out, not a lot but a little
Speaker 2: bit like in right field for example, right like that
Speaker 2: roof's there, it's big, Whereas Oracle Park it's so much
Speaker 2: more open and they are right next to the water,
Speaker 2: like closer than t Mobile Park.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's just the wind though, It's the climate,
Speaker 1: it's the air, it's the density of the air.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's part of it. Although like San
Speaker 2: Francisco again, like it's not friendly weather. You know what,
Speaker 2: here's a funny story. My family and I went to
Speaker 2: a game. I want to say I was ten or
Speaker 2: eleven years old. It's the only time I've been to
Speaker 2: Oracle Park and I want to get back. It was
Speaker 2: forty nine degrees at first pitch in August, no joke.
Speaker 2: It was that cold in the summer in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: Which is why I'm just that baffled by the fact
Speaker 2: that Seattle's that much tougher to hit at than San Francisco.
Speaker 1: And this is baffling too, because the last two seasons
Speaker 1: the Mariners have had a top not this year, the
Speaker 1: last two seasons before this by WRC plus, the Mariners
Speaker 1: have been a top eleven offense. Still, really they've hit fine,
Speaker 1: but this is still the worst part to hit it
Speaker 1: in baseball. Just it's flabbergasting. You know how, if you
Speaker 1: want the Mariners to improve their offensive environment, they'd have
Speaker 1: to play in a dome. That's how they fix it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That's that's literally the only way you change what is
Speaker 1: going on right now.
Speaker 2: But then that comes all the way back to the
Speaker 2: original question where that doesn't help your pitching.
Speaker 1: So nope, I would rather keep it the way it
Speaker 1: is right now. I agree because I think you can
Speaker 1: just play to the strength.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you can. So I think you
Speaker 1: can build a good enough offense to score enough runs again,
Speaker 1: and you don't need to be the best offense in baseball.
Speaker 1: You need to be the fifteenth to the tenth best
Speaker 1: offense in baseball and you'll be just fine. You want
Speaker 1: to know, I was curious about this. The top five
Speaker 1: offenses in baseball all play in parks with a park
Speaker 1: factor below one hundred, all five Yankees, Dodgers, Orioles, Mets Padres.
Speaker 2: Speaks to how good a lot of those offenses are.
Speaker 1: Right, But the as you can see, the park factor,
Speaker 1: while closer to one hundred than the Mariners, is still
Speaker 1: below average in terms of a run scoring environment, and
Speaker 1: it does not affect them at all. Right, and they
Speaker 1: don't move the fences in. I mean, Dodger Stadium's a
Speaker 1: pitchers park. Yankee Stadium depending on which direction you hit
Speaker 1: the ball has its pluses and pluses and minuses as
Speaker 1: an offensive park. Baltimore turned into a pitchers park for
Speaker 1: at least right handed hitters. Yeah, right handed hitters. The
Speaker 1: Mets don't play in a small park. They move their
Speaker 1: fences in, but still it's not a small ballpark. And
Speaker 1: now there's a Padres. Padres famously have a pitchers park
Speaker 1: with about the same dimensions as the Ms. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: They still score.
Speaker 2: I think all in all here, leave it because you
Speaker 2: gotta favor your pitchers. That's your strength. It's going to
Speaker 2: be your strength for a while too, So that's that's
Speaker 2: just how it is. Okay. Second question here, This is
Speaker 2: from Jacob V. Mayor on Instagram, and he says, build
Speaker 2: your perfect ballpark example Green Monster, Wriggly, Ivy M's location, Oracle,
Speaker 2: sunset view, et cetera.
Speaker 1: How much criteria did you use for this? How many
Speaker 1: different boxes did you check?
Speaker 2: Do you want me to go through my list.
Speaker 1: Well, let me throw mine out first, and I'll see
Speaker 1: what you think about this location of the ballpark, like
Speaker 1: where relatively it is. I chose Wrigley's location because I
Speaker 1: think Wriggley is the best location in all of baseball.
Speaker 1: I think it's so cool. I have the dimensions of
Speaker 1: Great American Ballpark because who doesn't have fun watching a
Speaker 1: game a great American ballpark? I know I do, and
Speaker 1: watching this team, I think it would be a lot
Speaker 1: more fun watching them at Great American Ballpark. The layout
Speaker 1: of the stadium is T Mobile Park. The roof on
Speaker 1: the stadium is T Mobile Park. The ushers, I'm choosing
Speaker 1: Wrigly's ushers because when we went there, we didn't get
Speaker 1: any issues from Wrigley ushers at all, which is very
Speaker 1: refreshing different than some other parks. The food T Mobile Park.
Speaker 1: And then I have one more stipulation for this ballpark.
Speaker 1: The Mariners are not allowed to play there for my
Speaker 1: own sanity.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good list of criteria you gave there.
Speaker 2: I think I did a little bit less, but I
Speaker 2: like it. I did think about the location thing in
Speaker 2: terms of what would be a fun place to be.
Speaker 2: I thought about Wrigly. I'm actually glad I didn't pick it,
Speaker 2: so we have some different answers. The location. I actually
Speaker 2: picked Philly for this because they're like the stadium district
Speaker 2: in Philly, it's all right there, like all the stadiums
Speaker 2: for all the pro sports teams are right next to
Speaker 2: each other, Like yes, the Seahawks and Mariners are right
Speaker 2: next to each other, but the Kraken and soon to
Speaker 2: be Sonics don't play close by. In Philly, everybody plays
Speaker 2: close by. And the fact that there's an Exfinity Live
Speaker 2: in Philly, like how we talked about how cool Texas
Speaker 2: Live was, how it's right next to the ballpark to
Speaker 2: where everybody goes after games. It's got all these different
Speaker 2: restaurants and bars. They have that in Philly, and I
Speaker 2: think Philly's is even more fun than Dallas's Arlington's. I
Speaker 2: picked Philly for the location, but like Jacob who asked
Speaker 2: the question here, I picked Oracle Parks View because it's gorgeous.
Speaker 2: I picked San Diego's weather that would be nice. I
Speaker 2: picked T mobiles dimensions like you. I'm sorry, I said,
Speaker 2: I jumped into the future and said technology got so
Speaker 2: good and we bend the rules where it's the t
Speaker 2: Mobile dimensions for when the Mariners are pitching, and it's
Speaker 2: the minute made dimensions for when the when the Mariners
Speaker 2: are hitting the hit, they get the Crawford boxes okay,
Speaker 2: and the short right and the short right field porch too,
Speaker 2: but everybody else has to deal with Seattle dimensions. Okay,
Speaker 2: No I did that. And then oh I also had
Speaker 2: Tea Mobile Parks roof because build a roof on your stadium, period.
Speaker 1: Yes, I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it. Okay, what did I leave out that
Speaker 2: you had? Yeah, you didn't. I didn't have anything in
Speaker 2: there about the ushers or the food. Tea Mobile Parks
Speaker 2: food is pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it, need to have more food
Speaker 1: at more parks. But no park has the diversity of
Speaker 1: food that Team Obi Park does. Now, if they do,
Speaker 1: I haven't tried it, Slash been to the park enough
Speaker 1: to try all of them.
Speaker 2: Right, Like Yankee Stadium's got some things that are, you know,
Speaker 2: on people's bucket list, right, like the Judge Burger. Although
Speaker 2: that's like one hundred dollars right whatever it is, No,
Speaker 2: it's not, No.
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, I think it's like twenty five bucks.
Speaker 1: They only make well. At first they only made ninety
Speaker 1: nine of them, and now I think they sell unlimited
Speaker 1: or however much.
Speaker 2: They have got it well. So there's some things like
Speaker 2: that at other ballparks that are that can be iconic
Speaker 2: things to try. Everybody talks about the Dodger Dogs at
Speaker 2: Dodger Stadium, although I've heard some people say they're actually
Speaker 2: not that good. I guess we have to try it
Speaker 2: for ourselves. I've never been to Dodger Stadium, so whenever
Speaker 2: I get there, I'll have to I'll have to give
Speaker 2: it a shot. But yeah, I don't know if Seattle
Speaker 2: really has anything like that, but the diversity of food,
Speaker 2: for sure, Like everybody who goes to the ballpark and
Speaker 2: wants ballpark food has something to pick from. So that's nice.
Speaker 1: Right now, I wouldn't choose Yankee Stadium food because like
Speaker 1: everything in the ballpark, it's just so corporate. Just know, like,
Speaker 1: what's the right word flavor? Flavor?
Speaker 2: The Mets, the Mets are the blue collar team of
Speaker 2: New York, that's for sure. The Yankees, the Yankees are
Speaker 2: the corporate team.
Speaker 1: Yeah that yeah, oh certainly so I like our like
Speaker 1: our stadiums.
Speaker 2: Where was your location I said, Philly, Oh.
Speaker 1: You said right right, right right, Yeah, yeah, it works.
Speaker 2: Out because it's again it's right next to everything.
Speaker 1: Now that's good. Let's get to our next question here
Speaker 1: on Instagram. This is coming from Chase on Instagram, and
Speaker 1: his question is who do we target this free agency?
Speaker 2: Can we start with the obvious? Please?
Speaker 1: All right? Let me count you down, three, two, one,
Speaker 1: one Soto booom.
Speaker 2: Now do I think this is gonna happen?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But this doesn't like the Kyle Tucker thing, because that's happening.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the one Soto thing is probably a pipe dream.
Speaker 2: That being said, if I were the Mariners, I would
Speaker 2: outfit every team by one hundred million dollars for Wan
Speaker 2: Soto this winter. And I'm serious about that. I am
Speaker 2: not somebody that sits up here and says every big
Speaker 2: name free agent worth it. I was no proponent of
Speaker 2: giving Xander Bogarts an eleven twelve year contra. I was
Speaker 2: no proponent of the idea of giving Cody Bellinger ten
Speaker 2: to twelve years when that idea was being floated out.
Speaker 2: This winner never because some of these guys and these
Speaker 2: contracts are not worth it. You will not find a
Speaker 2: better free agent in the next five free agent classes.
Speaker 2: At least it could be more than that than Juan Soto.
Speaker 2: Not a better bat, that's for sure, and he is
Speaker 2: twenty six years old. How often do you find guys
Speaker 2: a debut at nineteen like he does. There are good
Speaker 2: guys that will debut at twenty one Gunner Julio Bobby Witt,
Speaker 2: not nineteen. And Juan Soto is going to hit free
Speaker 2: agency as a twenty six year old. You could give
Speaker 2: that guy a thirteen year deal and he will. He
Speaker 2: might be good for all thirteen because when he gets
Speaker 2: to be thirty eight thirty nine years old, he still
Speaker 2: might be putting up a one to fifteen, one to
Speaker 2: twenty WRC plus because he is that good a bat
Speaker 2: and he won that much. If I were the Mariners,
Speaker 2: I would outfit every team by one hundred million dollars
Speaker 2: for Wan Soto because he's worth it. And that contract
Speaker 2: won't pay for itself quite like show has well, but
Speaker 2: it's close. It will pay for a lot of it here.
Speaker 1: So let's let's do some negotiations for Wan Soda here
Speaker 1: so it will start at seven hundred million dollars. I
Speaker 1: will also as part of the Seattle tax to get
Speaker 1: people all the way up here to the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 1: I will also name Juan Soto, principal owner of Root Sports.
Speaker 1: Congratulations one. This is a wonderful, wonderful company that you
Speaker 1: get to take over with some fantastic people working for it,
Speaker 1: and you get to run and you get to make
Speaker 1: all those cable television dollars. Congratulations. I'm also Juan Soto
Speaker 1: giving you a cut of all of the profits from
Speaker 1: the box Yard across the street from the from the stadium.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you, let's say, five percent of everything sold,
Speaker 1: all the profits made on the box Yard. I'm him
Speaker 1: giving to Juan Soto. Do you than it sounds like
Speaker 1: a pretty good deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you mean the hat back when you say
Speaker 2: the box yard.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the whole the all the restaurant, the whole
Speaker 1: area is called the box Yard.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, got you.
Speaker 1: I don't want to short change him on only give
Speaker 1: him five percent of profits from one of the places.
Speaker 1: I only give him all three.
Speaker 2: Actually, I was thinking by him just signing a contract
Speaker 2: with the Seattle Mariners, he immediately gets a key to
Speaker 2: the city. How's that?
Speaker 1: M But what is it. What does he get a
Speaker 1: key to? Like? What does he get I'm offering him.
Speaker 2: Cash, but you've already offered him so much. This is
Speaker 2: in addition, it's showing Seattle's gratitude already. The Yankees can
Speaker 2: offer him whatever they want. Are they offering him a
Speaker 2: key to New York City? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: So Let's let's get him a box for a box
Speaker 1: and season tickets for the Seahawks. That'll be a good
Speaker 1: start when he's not playing. Want him to be comfortable
Speaker 1: integrated into his new city. How about else we get him?
Speaker 2: How about season tickets to the Mariners for any family
Speaker 2: in a sweet for any family and friends that ever
Speaker 2: want to come.
Speaker 1: And see him play, YEP and Diamond Club, depending on
Speaker 1: what they want. Sure it's okay, Oh so many, so
Speaker 1: many more things. We get him a we'll throw him
Speaker 1: give him a boat too, how about that?
Speaker 2: Sure? I mean he'll probably be living in Bellevue, Medina anyway,
Speaker 2: so sure he can have a boat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, let's just help him out home out a
Speaker 1: little bit. We got connections.
Speaker 2: Listen, when we say we'll overpay one so too by
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars, we say that because that's what
Speaker 2: it would take to get him to Seattle. For example,
Speaker 2: if the Yankees offer one Soda a six hundred million
Speaker 2: dollar contract in free agency, how are the Mariners going
Speaker 2: to beat that? It's they can't offer him six oh
Speaker 2: five and beat it. You just can't. You need to
Speaker 2: significantly outbid every team, and he is worth outbidding for
Speaker 2: Most of these free agents aren't worth it. You've heard
Speaker 2: me bang the drum for two and I will keep
Speaker 2: it that way. Shoe Hey. Last offseason, I said every
Speaker 2: penny's worth it, Wan Sota, it's the same thing. Every
Speaker 2: penny's worth it. And there's not gonna be free agents
Speaker 2: in most other classes that i'd say that about. Listen,
Speaker 2: I'm a Kyle Tucker guy through and through. He needs
Speaker 2: to be a Mariner. He's gonna be. However, if he
Speaker 2: were to hit free agency, if the Mariners haven't traded
Speaker 2: and extended him already before he actually gets to free agency,
Speaker 2: I don't think I'd sit there and say he's worth
Speaker 2: seven hundred million dollars at thirty one years old. Juan
Speaker 2: Soto is worth that is like the actual value to player,
Speaker 2: seven hundred million dollars. Maybe not quite, but if you
Speaker 2: want to get him to Seattle, that is, and it's
Speaker 2: still worth every penny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every single penny. And remember you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: pay a percent inch more than everybody else just because
Speaker 1: where you, where you play, how much time you spend
Speaker 1: on a plane. How As we just talked about at
Speaker 1: the beginning of this mail bag, this place is really
Speaker 1: difficult to hit. It really difficult and wan subtle. You know,
Speaker 1: when he hits a ball to the warning track in
Speaker 1: April's probably be pissed. That's fine, But you make him
Speaker 1: richer to not think about that. That's fine with me.
Speaker 2: How about this, If Won Soto somehow signed with Seattle
Speaker 2: and became a one to ten WRC plus hitter for
Speaker 2: his career, you're building a dome because if he can't
Speaker 2: hit here, nobody can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, blow up the stadium, just like they did the Kingdom,
Speaker 1: or rebuilding the Kingdom. Yeah, yes, nicer though, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: way nice. So anyway, but there are some other free
Speaker 1: agents we can talk about here. What Juan Soto is
Speaker 1: the obvious one. If the Mariners get the opportunity to
Speaker 1: sign Juan Soto, they absolutely should, But there are other
Speaker 1: needs on this team too. And I think there's the
Speaker 1: most pressing need at first base. There's some good ones available.
Speaker 1: There are some good ones all right, last five seconds
Speaker 1: on one Soto. They have the money for it. It's
Speaker 1: just whether they choose to spend it. So spend it correct.
Speaker 2: First base. I would be shocked if one of these
Speaker 2: four first basemen honestly is not in a Seattle uniform.
Speaker 2: Two of them could be trades who we just talked
Speaker 2: about in our last episode, Vladdie Yandi diez, and that's possible.
Speaker 2: But if it's not them, I would say it's two
Speaker 2: guys that Mariners fans have spent a decent amount of
Speaker 2: time this year talking about who they thought they could
Speaker 2: trade for as a rental. Who will instead be a
Speaker 2: free agent this winner Pete Alonzo Christian Walker. So of
Speaker 2: those four guys, Alonzo Walker, Vladdie Yandi bet you one
Speaker 2: of those guys finds his way into a Mariner's uniform.
Speaker 2: And in terms of the free agents, Walker is having
Speaker 2: more success right now this year. Pete's also younger, He'll
Speaker 2: probably cost more, but either of them are good fits.
Speaker 1: Yes, all of the above don't isn't a tough decision
Speaker 1: you take which one is available to you at this point.
Speaker 1: I think Vladdie would be the number one option. But
Speaker 1: if Latti inks a three hundred million dollars extension with
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays in the off season, that's going to
Speaker 1: be a little difficult to pull off. So then you
Speaker 1: pivot to what would be all right. But whether it
Speaker 1: be prospects or cash doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Do
Speaker 1: which which one? Which everyone says yes, you sign them?
Speaker 1: Because that's that is the state of the Mariners first
Speaker 1: base position next year. Yeah, yeah, you get you get
Speaker 1: someone to say yes. But there are other needs to
Speaker 1: lyle that could really help the Mariners around the infield.
Speaker 1: At second base, I mean, Brandon loo has a it's unlikely.
Speaker 1: I don't know what how the Rays feel about ten
Speaker 1: and a half million. I feel like if you they
Speaker 1: had a million dollar contract on the books at this point,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't want to pay it. But Brandon Lowe has
Speaker 1: a club option for ten and a half. He could
Speaker 1: be a free agent. He could not, so depending on
Speaker 1: how the Mariners see their roster next season, and if
Speaker 1: he was a free agent, they could think he's an option.
Speaker 1: Mariners also might have a need at third base next season.
Speaker 1: Willia Domas could slide over and play third base. Hasn't
Speaker 1: played third base as a big leaguer, but I think
Speaker 1: if you pay him enough money, he could He usually
Speaker 1: plays more of the middle. Or you could sign him
Speaker 1: and have someone else currently on your roster play third base.
Speaker 1: You could Alex Bregman if you feel like that could work,
Speaker 1: based on where he had played in the past, and
Speaker 1: you can make the price work. I think you would
Speaker 1: fit offensively. And Matt Chapman someone who the Mariners wanted
Speaker 1: to trade for a couple of years ago. It's now
Speaker 1: gonna be a free agent this offseason, so that could work.
Speaker 1: All those guys could work, And in the outfield, I'll
Speaker 1: actually know what I'll let you do the outfielders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Chapman's always interesting because again, like we talked
Speaker 2: about how polarizing his batted ball profile can be. But
Speaker 2: he's had a solid year and we'll see if he
Speaker 2: opts out in San Francisco or not. But that would
Speaker 2: be interesting. I'll get to the outfield in a second.
Speaker 2: But just to respond to the guys you listed off,
Speaker 2: do you feel like the Rays might pick up Lao's
Speaker 2: option just so they can make sure to get something
Speaker 2: back for him, because Loo actually has a couple club
Speaker 2: options in that contract, So if somebody were to trade
Speaker 2: for Loo, they would have some club control. Would the
Speaker 2: Rays say, okay, let's pick this up because somebody will
Speaker 2: trade for him and we can get something back.
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that, So, yes, that is what
Speaker 1: the Rays are gonna do. Yeah, I could almost guarantee
Speaker 1: that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because ten and a half millions not that much.
Speaker 1: Well, he could pick it up and not pay any
Speaker 1: of it, right exactly, pick it up and then trade him.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, So that may happen if he was available.
Speaker 1: It's still trade for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Same. But outfielders, well, Victor Roeblaz is one. He's
Speaker 2: gonna be a free agent, and we talked about that
Speaker 2: the other day. We don't think he should cost that much.
Speaker 2: And if you're the Mariners you brought him back on
Speaker 2: some demo type of contract three years, nine million bucks,
Speaker 2: you should do it because either you get a great
Speaker 2: deal out of it, or if he really doesn't play well,
Speaker 2: then it's not that much money to lose to let
Speaker 2: him go anyway or trade him somewhere else. So that's one.
Speaker 2: But guys outside the organization. We said Anthony SANTANDERA that
Speaker 2: would be awesome. He's lighting the world on fire this year,
Speaker 2: especially with his bat.
Speaker 1: And then Max Kepler, Yeah, Santander sounds really good. I
Speaker 1: thought he struck out more than he did. It's only
Speaker 1: like eighteen percent. Oh, just I can picture a lyle.
Speaker 1: Anthony Santander finishes the twenty twenty four season with a
Speaker 1: nineteen percent strikeout rate, comes to Seattle in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: gets paid a lot of money, and ends next year
Speaker 1: of the twenty eight percent of strikeout rate.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I thought you had the year wrong, but you
Speaker 2: were saying, yeah, finished twenty four. Then comes to Seattle
Speaker 2: in twenty five. Yeah, after signing Juan Soto, who starts,
Speaker 2: who goes from striking out about fifteen percent of the
Speaker 2: time also to twenty eight percent of the time.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll bump one up to thirty one.
Speaker 2: Do you imagine? Could you imagine one snyke could He's
Speaker 2: like the one Gianchize. He's like the one guy where
Speaker 2: I can't imagine it. Like his his approach, his discipline
Speaker 2: is actually just too good.
Speaker 1: If he struck out thirty one percent of the time,
Speaker 1: he's literally walking into an ownership board meeting and saying
Speaker 1: we got to do something about that damn battersie fix it,
Speaker 1: and right now, you know they would fix pretty fast
Speaker 1: the batter's I.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they'd say, well, it costs seven hundred million
Speaker 2: dollars for one so so how much would it cost
Speaker 2: to fix a batter's eye? Not that much? No, a
Speaker 2: couple million dollars right, Nope.
Speaker 1: And again, if that were the case, it's like blow
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's gonna be plenty of time for free agency
Speaker 2: talk moving forward, obviously when the season ends too. But
Speaker 2: I know everybody's already thinking about it. We're now already
Speaker 2: thinking about it. So yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, like Lele said, that'll be a good
Speaker 1: off season topic. But I'll let you get to your
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Speaker 2: So the next question, it's from Ellie who runs the account.
Speaker 2: Tried and takeover on Instagram she always sent some good questions,
Speaker 2: and she sends, who would you want to play a
Speaker 2: round of golf with? Choose three players.
Speaker 1: I don't think you and I have ever picked the
Speaker 1: same answer quicker than this. Yeah, okay, so let me
Speaker 1: read off my three. I would play with Gabe Spire
Speaker 1: because he's our guy, and I'd love to spend a
Speaker 1: round of golf with Gabe Spire. I think that would
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. And then the two biggest
Speaker 1: personalities on the team, Taylor Sausato and JP Crawford. And
Speaker 1: then my note underneath all of this is that this
Speaker 1: is the easiest list of all time.
Speaker 2: I'd say Sauce is also our guy too, so yeah,
Speaker 2: he has to put it to put it in that
Speaker 2: same category. But I'll tell you what, You're not walking
Speaker 2: away empty handed from that round. You're gonna have stories
Speaker 2: to take home with you after a round of golf
Speaker 2: with that group. Especially Sauce and JP, who are now
Speaker 2: responsible for some of our most viral clips, are honestly almost.
Speaker 1: All of them. Those guys are the only JP and
Speaker 1: and Sauce are the only I think of, if I
Speaker 1: have my math and my memories corrected, they are the
Speaker 1: only players who have eclipsed two hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: On Instagram for US. Yeah, period, not including me talking
Speaker 2: about for the first time ever, how Kyle Tucker was
Speaker 2: going to be a Mariner?
Speaker 1: Is that over two hundred?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, throw the hosts out external factors?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh. You know, for any of you who have
Speaker 2: not watched any of these recent JP Crawford clips, you
Speaker 2: should go watch. But you know what, let me take
Speaker 2: a moment here to say when you watch be nice.
Speaker 2: People online aren't nice. And JP's like, JP's awesome, and
Speaker 2: you guys, everybody who listens to the podcast knows that.
Speaker 2: All Mariners fans know that. And I think he stands
Speaker 2: for all the right things. I think everybody knows JP's
Speaker 2: a really good person, which is why when he's got
Speaker 2: to take like how we asked them, how like what
Speaker 2: type of conspiracies do you believe in? Or like, what's
Speaker 2: one other you believe in besides aliens being real? The
Speaker 2: reason we asked his question is he was on Mookie
Speaker 2: Betts's podcast last year. He was talking about that. He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm convinced they're out there and they exist. So and
Speaker 2: he was and he mentioned on that podcast. I'm into
Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff, a lot of conspiracy theory stuff,
Speaker 2: so I kind of asked, like, what's another you believe in,
Speaker 2: and he basically said, well, I think the earth is
Speaker 2: kind of shaped like asgard in Thor And that rubbed
Speaker 2: a lot of people the wrong way, which, you know,
Speaker 2: I really wish people could just take a little bit
Speaker 2: of a deep breath online before deciding to just unleash
Speaker 2: on somebody. Cause again, I think we know JP's a
Speaker 2: good dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm gonna be honest, that was the first
Speaker 1: time I'd ever heard that one.
Speaker 2: Same, same and it was good, like like it was creative.
Speaker 2: I got it, Like, I'll certainly give JP that it
Speaker 2: was very, very, very creative, which is funny. Even JP
Speaker 2: himself left to comment too, He's like, dude, why is
Speaker 2: everybody so mad? With a bunch of laughing emojis? Oh
Speaker 2: he is, Like I said, you will not walk away
Speaker 2: from that round of golf without stories from that group.
Speaker 2: So anyway, if you have not seen that clip, you
Speaker 2: should go watch it. It's on all our social channels.
Speaker 2: But also be nice, try to relax and take a
Speaker 2: deep breath when you watch. It's as we like to say,
Speaker 2: it ain't that serious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't have put it any better myself. Let's
Speaker 1: get to our next mailbag question. This comes from Brandon
Speaker 1: Stafford twenty five on Instagram, and his question is where
Speaker 1: will Victor Roeblist hit in the order when JP and
Speaker 1: Julio come back.
Speaker 2: Toward the top of the lineup. He's earned that at
Speaker 2: this point he has to. Again we mentioned it earlier
Speaker 2: in the show. He's got a nine to fifty ops
Speaker 2: in his last thirty games. He has to be hitting
Speaker 2: toward the top of the lineup. This is roughly what
Speaker 2: I drew up for when everybody's healthy, including in September,
Speaker 2: when JP's back, Assuming Roeblace is still hitting in this
Speaker 2: scenario and hitting well looks something like this, I said, Roeblace, Julio,
Speaker 2: Randy cal Turner, Polanco, Garver, Rojas, JP. I put it
Speaker 2: like that, JP hitting ninth, Well, okay, where do you
Speaker 2: want to put him instead? Knowing Scott's service, JP Crawford's
Speaker 2: back in Leidos spat Listen, we just talked about how
Speaker 2: awesome JP is he is, but like now we're talking
Speaker 2: baseball here, and I would love to see JP get
Speaker 2: back to twenty twenty three JP and have a really
Speaker 2: good September when he gets back. But so right now,
Speaker 2: it's not really happening.
Speaker 1: And I agree. My question is is that your lineup
Speaker 1: or what you think Scott's service will do.
Speaker 2: I guess that's what I drew up. Okay, what Scott,
Speaker 2: What Scott will do, I don't know, but you know what,
Speaker 2: six weeks off your feet is actually kind of a
Speaker 2: long time. And if Roeblas is still hitting like this
Speaker 2: and they're they're in a race for the playoffs and
Speaker 2: for the division. I think Scott Servis would also say,
Speaker 2: I can't ignore Victor Robls putting up a nine hundred ohps.
Speaker 2: He needs more bats.
Speaker 1: I still think there's a way to make this work, though,
Speaker 1: So when I think when JP comes back, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in the leadoffs box. He's been in
Speaker 1: the leadoff spot since he started tearing it up last year,
Speaker 1: and I think Scott Servis trusts him quite a lot,
Speaker 1: and he has a lot of the traits of a
Speaker 1: leadoff hitter, even if his performance hasn't been up to
Speaker 1: part with the bat this year, I think it'll go
Speaker 1: something like this, JP leading off Randy bats second, Julio
Speaker 1: bats third, Cow bats fourth, Victor Roblaz bats fifth, Justin
Speaker 1: Turner bats sixth, Jory Polanco bats seventh, whoever's dhing bats eighth,
Speaker 1: and Josh Rojas bats ninth.
Speaker 2: That could work. I'd probably honestly flip Turner and Roblaze
Speaker 2: in that situation. I'd probably have Turner hit five. But yeah,
Speaker 2: like like close enough.
Speaker 1: And it's also not a bad thing that you have
Speaker 1: good hitters hitting lower in your lineup. Based on what
Speaker 1: we've watched this year, I think having good hitters anywhere
Speaker 1: in the lineup is a plus.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, I would agree, I would agree, So
Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, that's probably how I would draw
Speaker 2: it up the lineup I wrote out, But I'm not
Speaker 2: Scott's service. Scott might see something different and want to
Speaker 2: do something different, but he could point.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be a good problem to have if he's
Speaker 1: sitting there and legitimately thinking of JP. Crawford should still
Speaker 1: be the leadoff hitter.
Speaker 2: Right, because that means Roblaze is still going off. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So okay, next question. This is from tav dot metcalf
Speaker 2: on Instagram. Hardest prospect to see go now? I'm assuming
Speaker 2: by this question he is asking if the Mariners were
Speaker 2: to make a trade and part with a prospect, who
Speaker 2: would be the toughest one to see be traded.
Speaker 1: Be Cole Emerson because of A where he's currently ranked
Speaker 1: by some outlets, and B the fact he's playing state side.
Speaker 1: He's playing in affiliated ball state side, not at the
Speaker 1: complex league like Felman, Selston Is and Felnin could eventually,
Speaker 1: with his talent and all this hype that he's gotten,
Speaker 1: could pass Colt. Funny enough, it's pretty incredible to say that.
Speaker 1: But with the talent, it's not out of the question.
Speaker 1: It's not one hundred percent that he'll never do that.
Speaker 1: But I'd say, you know, I would say it's cult
Speaker 1: now if I'm gonna flip this question around and answer
Speaker 1: it how I think I read it when I answered
Speaker 1: this question. If he if he were to ask who
Speaker 1: is the hardest prospect you have seen gone like get
Speaker 1: traded in the you know, recent past, I would say
Speaker 1: Noelvie Marte because they could really use him right now
Speaker 1: on the could they Well, Castile has been pretty awesome,
Speaker 1: so it's worked out. I know he's suspended, but if
Speaker 1: when he's when he's not suspended.
Speaker 2: No, no, he's not suspended anymore. This is what I
Speaker 2: was gonna ask you. Have you taken a peek at
Speaker 2: what Noelvie's done this year since coming back? Well, I
Speaker 2: let me, let me let you take a peek, and
Speaker 2: when you look, you can read to the fans what
Speaker 2: he's up to.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm kind of scared.
Speaker 2: Now let's see, Yes, he plays third base, but would
Speaker 2: you like to enlighten the fans his numbers?
Speaker 1: Wow, so I will say, it's only been twenty six games,
Speaker 1: but yikes, it's now I've been great, read aloud, five
Speaker 1: oh five ops now almost negative one win above replacement.
Speaker 1: So yeah, not really good me lyile. I think I
Speaker 1: was thinking a little bit more along the lines of
Speaker 1: what he was doing last year before he got suspended,
Speaker 1: where he had a three sixteen, three sixty six, four
Speaker 1: fifty six slash line eight twenty two ops in thirty
Speaker 1: five games. I think that's what Mariner fans would miss,
Speaker 1: not what he's doing after a suspension this year now.
Speaker 1: And you could say, well, he was he could have been.
Speaker 1: He was juicing. I can't argue that. But you know what,
Speaker 1: as you and I have said, sometimes you know, it's
Speaker 1: a it's only cheating if you get caught b Like no,
Speaker 1: Mariners might have if had more people players cheating in
Speaker 1: the past, they might have played a little bit better
Speaker 1: made the playoffs.
Speaker 2: You're now endorsing everybody needs to start juicing. Well, look
Speaker 2: at the results.
Speaker 1: Otherwise Maria's been a clean franchise and haven't done shit.
Speaker 2: Oh well they had Robbie, they had Nelson Cruz.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, that's true, and still didn't make the playoffs. Well,
Speaker 1: ANDELV I think, Yeah, Noelah was in the ORG at
Speaker 1: the time. Wow.
Speaker 2: No, No, he was not in the ORG when they
Speaker 2: made the playoffs twenty training.
Speaker 1: For Luise twenty eighteen when everyone was juicing, he was
Speaker 1: Josh signed adjust been signed. Yeah, but who knows that
Speaker 1: what he was doing.
Speaker 2: Then it's true anyway. Yeah, I'm not really interested in
Speaker 2: like a thirty seven WRC plus hitting noelvi Marte coming
Speaker 2: off of suspension to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Okay, then I'm thinking of what he did last year,
Speaker 1: but still among the best prospects they have given up recently,
Speaker 1: he would be the one you missed the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that part's true because Edwin Arroyo hasn't really done
Speaker 2: much since he got traded, which is funny, Like when
Speaker 2: Edwin Arroyo got traded, there were people starting to say
Speaker 2: he might be the best prospect in the Mariners organization
Speaker 2: at that time. Jeff Passen said that on Brocken salk
Speaker 2: I remember, but he hasn't done much since then. He's
Speaker 2: not even really a top one hundred guy anymore.
Speaker 1: And those pitchers they traded, like Mariners developed pitching so
Speaker 1: unbelievably well, like you could get over trading Brandon Williamson
Speaker 1: and Connor Phillips, but Noelvie Marte. Yeah, he was a
Speaker 1: top international signee. He was rated very highly throughout the
Speaker 1: minor leagues, and you know, there's still hope that he's
Speaker 1: going to be a very solid big leaguer and a
Speaker 1: very solid hitting big leaguer. Like remember, he's young, so
Speaker 1: he's got time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does, dude. Connor Phillips got sent back to
Speaker 2: the Complex League this year. He was he was having
Speaker 2: a yeah, like now he wasn't in the big leagues
Speaker 2: for the most part this year. In fact, he hasn't
Speaker 2: been in the big leagues at all this year, but
Speaker 2: he has a ten eleven era in Triple A Louisville
Speaker 2: this year, and it got so bad to the point where,
Speaker 2: like the Red said, there are mechanical things that he
Speaker 2: needs to work on, and they send him back to Arizona.
Speaker 2: So he has a he has a ten eleven era
Speaker 2: in Triple A this year and a two twenty six whip.
Speaker 1: Well, so, cause you're wondering how the castile trade's going, well,
Speaker 1: he was the Gino Winker trade but still well trading
Speaker 1: with the Reds. Yeah, exactly, like Levi Stout made his
Speaker 1: way back to the Mariners because he didn't do much.
Speaker 1: Brandon Williamson's been very okay since he's since he's been
Speaker 1: traded over to the Reds. Like, yeah, the Mariners actually
Speaker 1: haven't lost any prospects recently that they're absolutely shedding tears about.
Speaker 1: Actually Brandon Williamson hasn't pitched all year, but yeah, like
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of prospects they've lost recently that
Speaker 1: that are just heartbreaking. Now, if you want to go ever,
Speaker 1: Adam Jones, Pablo Lopez, Freddy Peralta, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: if you do like the last decade, he would all
Speaker 1: be like post twenty twenty one because the members didn't
Speaker 1: have any good prospects pre what from twenty twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: to twenty thirteen, like almost none.
Speaker 2: Do you count Kyle Lewis because he won Rookie of
Speaker 2: the Year. Do you mean just solely as a prospect prospects?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Kyle Lewis in that timeframe, he like when
Speaker 1: they had initially initially got drafted, like wow, amazing. They
Speaker 1: tore up his knee, so all most of his prospect
Speaker 1: I was a good chunk of his prospect luster went
Speaker 1: out the window when he did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think in terms of the original question, again,
Speaker 2: I don't know which way he's asking it. I think
Speaker 2: it's about which prospect would be the hardest to go
Speaker 2: right now. But I would say Colt Emerson too now.
Speaker 2: I think on another episode I might have said fell
Speaker 2: mean slightly over cold. I think it's close, but Colt's
Speaker 2: a little closer than Celestine. Celestine just unfortunately endured another
Speaker 2: wrist injury. I don't we don't know what the extent
Speaker 2: of it is yet, Like we haven't heard any further
Speaker 2: on it. But again, Colt is an affiliated ball And
Speaker 2: also for those who might not know Colt Emerson as
Speaker 2: of Wednesday morning, has a thirty five game on day
Speaker 2: streak in Modesto. That guy's pretty good, and Keith Wall
Speaker 2: has him as his number five prospect in baseball as
Speaker 2: a nineteen year old in Lowa. I think that guy's
Speaker 2: gonna be pretty good if all, if everything keeps up and.
Speaker 1: He's doing it while not hitting for a ton of power.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Like imagine when he actually starts hitting for consistent power,
Speaker 1: so you go over that stretches slugs only like what
Speaker 1: four p thirty something like that. Yeah, it could be
Speaker 1: a lot better.
Speaker 2: Point being, we're probably gonna see coult Emerson in Modesto
Speaker 2: by the end of the year. Sorry, Everett. By the
Speaker 2: end of the year, people are gonna have very good
Speaker 2: reason to get out to Everett here in the next
Speaker 2: couple months because Lazara Montes is there, colt Emerson should
Speaker 2: be there soon. We assume Durangelo Sinjo is gonna be there.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a that's gonna be a fun team
Speaker 2: to go watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Next question comes from Mitchell Hopkins on YouTube,
Speaker 1: and his question is what is your ideal playoff rotation
Speaker 1: if they started today?
Speaker 2: Hmmm, So this is our second to last question, by
Speaker 2: the way, in the mailbag, just so people know, But
Speaker 2: Logan and Kirby one two is obvious. I think you
Speaker 2: have to go with those two.
Speaker 1: What order?
Speaker 2: I'd probably go Logan first. How about you?
Speaker 1: I put Kirby first. I think it works out because
Speaker 1: in a five game series, Gilbert pitches game five. In
Speaker 1: a seven game series, Kirby pitches a game seven, So
Speaker 1: it works out either way you get one of those two.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you have a preference though, at this, at right
Speaker 1: this very second Kirby?
Speaker 2: Okay, for the third guy, I might. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you're gonna crucify me for this or not.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well I'm based on your language, the words
Speaker 1: that just came out of your mouth, I have a
Speaker 1: feeling of what you're about to do.
Speaker 2: Okay, In a five inning sample, I would probably say,
Speaker 2: Brian Wu But if you need some okay, no, it's no, okay,
Speaker 2: it's no, it's it's it's Louise. It's Louise.
Speaker 1: But were you serious?
Speaker 2: Well? Okay, But in like, in like a four inning
Speaker 2: sample this year, if you talk about like the first
Speaker 2: four or five innings, who has actually dominated hitters more
Speaker 2: this year? That's what I'm getting at here.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Brian Wu, in his very very small sample
Speaker 1: of what he has pitched this season, correct, what's the
Speaker 1: difference in innings between those two?
Speaker 2: Drastic? Absolutely drastic. But I am talking about swing and
Speaker 2: miss walk rate hard Like, I'm sure, I'm sure we're
Speaker 2: gonna get comments of some people calling me crazy. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that crazy. Now, Brian Wu's never
Speaker 2: worked into the seventh inning in his career, so that
Speaker 2: plays into this in terms of longevity. But like it is,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a hot take to say when
Speaker 2: they have been on the mound, who has overpowered hitters
Speaker 2: more this year? Brian Woo or Louis Castillo, like, pull
Speaker 2: up their Savant pages tell me what the difference is.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I can, in good faith do that.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, then Wu needs to piggyback
Speaker 2: somebody on one of these starts. That's what I do
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm sorry to and like like and
Speaker 1: just sitting here looking at his game logs lyle like like, yeah,
Speaker 1: So Wu overall in the season, in the small sample
Speaker 1: he's pitch is good over the first five innings of
Speaker 1: a start. On a rate basis, Brian Wu has been
Speaker 1: better than Louis Castillo. But I mean, if you just
Speaker 1: want to appel back the curtain and look a little
Speaker 1: bit about who he's facing, I mean, it's the A's,
Speaker 1: it's the Royals. They played him at t Mobile part.
Speaker 1: The Royals don't hit on the road. He did pitch
Speaker 1: well in New York against the Yankees, but we know
Speaker 1: that's a shaky offensive team outside of two bats. He
Speaker 1: faced the Nationals, he faced the Angels, he faced the
Speaker 1: A's again before he got lit up by the Guardians.
Speaker 1: He got hurt against the Rays, and then he faced
Speaker 1: the Angels again where he got got lit up. So
Speaker 1: it's like it's not all sunshine and roses and their
Speaker 1: earies right now, while are actually kind of similar. So oh,
Speaker 1: actually no, there's a sorry, there's a run separating it. Sorry.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a three in front of it
Speaker 1: two three five for Wu and like a three to
Speaker 1: three for Castillo. But no, I can't do that. I can't.
Speaker 1: So the center with Castillo has shown you in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that plays a factor here. I just again,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't love the fact that he's getting
Speaker 2: hit very hard this year, and I don't love the
Speaker 2: fact that there have just been very starts this year
Speaker 2: that you can really pinpoint and say, this looks like
Speaker 2: ace Luis Castillo. Now, okay, when it's all said and done, yes,
Speaker 2: I'd probably pick Castillo over Brian Woo to start the
Speaker 2: third game. And that's and and and most of you
Speaker 2: would too. But then in that case, we should piggyback
Speaker 2: one of these starts, because a lot of times starters
Speaker 2: don't make it that far in a postseason start.
Speaker 1: So here's my here's another problem I have with this.
Speaker 1: So like over so over the first five innings, yes,
Speaker 1: but we're at the point right now in the season
Speaker 1: where we don't even trust Brian would have finished five
Speaker 1: innings seriously, So.
Speaker 2: Then he piggybacks somebody, That's what I'm saying. Look at
Speaker 2: look at that, but he's not starting. So look at
Speaker 2: what most starters do in the postseason. When Luis went
Speaker 2: seven and a third scoreless in Toronto, that was awesome,
Speaker 2: Like he dominated, But those starts, this isn't just about Louis.
Speaker 2: This is in general don't often occur in postseason outings.
Speaker 2: A lot of starters get chased early in postseason games.
Speaker 2: It just seems to happen. Logan Gilbert, when can he
Speaker 2: pitched that outing in Houston? He went about five, five
Speaker 2: and a third, So if that happens. We've got questions
Speaker 2: about the Mariners bullpen, right like some especially with Santos's injury.
Speaker 2: Let Wu piggyback, let him go three, let him go four, whatever,
Speaker 2: it shortens the need to have a bullpen finish the
Speaker 2: rest of the way from the fifth inning on in
Speaker 2: a playoff game. Like how about so again? So how
Speaker 2: about like, if you don't trust Wu to go deep
Speaker 2: in a postseason game, that's fine because he hasn't shown
Speaker 2: he even does it really in the regular season. But
Speaker 2: would I would trust him to piggyback that's for sure
Speaker 2: to get three us Fine.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with the piggyback. If your best
Speaker 1: pitchers are pitching, that's totally okay. I mean, I trust
Speaker 1: Brian Wu coming out of the bullpen if he has to,
Speaker 1: Like Saint Luis Castillo, struggles like he has at times
Speaker 1: this season, gets hit hard, doesn't have his best command,
Speaker 1: comes out of the game in the fifth inning, and Yeah,
Speaker 1: Wu comes in and pitches you through the seventh. That's fine,
Speaker 1: that's what you want. Then you go Jimmy Garcia and
Speaker 1: Munos close out the game. That's that's a pitching plan
Speaker 1: I can get behind. But Louis Castillo's starting Game three
Speaker 1: not a question, all right.
Speaker 2: I just again, I'm sure we're gonna have people that disagree,
Speaker 2: and that's fine. Like I just I will once again
Speaker 2: say that while I would still probably pick Castillo to
Speaker 2: start Game three, that I don't think it's that hot
Speaker 2: of a take to say that. In the samples each
Speaker 2: of them have. In terms of who has overpowered hitters
Speaker 2: more this year, it's been Brian lou.
Speaker 1: If Louis Castillo had the same workload as Brian Wu,
Speaker 1: would he look more dominant.
Speaker 2: I don't know, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Well, in the sense of not having to pitch as long.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but it's not like he often gets lit up
Speaker 2: very late in the game, and it's because it's a
Speaker 2: fatigue thing. They'll get lit up early in the game sometimes, Louise.
Speaker 1: That's fair, but it knowing you only have to pitch
Speaker 1: four you could throw harder. Stuff's all sharper.
Speaker 2: That's true, But it's look, it's I'm sure we're just
Speaker 2: taking I mean, I'm sure we're just having some discussion here,
Speaker 2: like this is just two people sitting and debating what's
Speaker 2: probably probably in the end gonna be nonsense, because I'm
Speaker 2: sure the rotation they will roll out in the playoffs
Speaker 2: would in some order be Kirby Logan Castillo. But I
Speaker 2: I think I think if you're gonna try to get
Speaker 2: through a postseason, even with the rotation as good as
Speaker 2: the Mariners, you're gonna need Brian Wu. And honestly, if
Speaker 2: they choose to go four starters in terms of a
Speaker 2: playoff rotation, like he's the guy I'm picking forth, that's
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would that would definitely be a piggyback, like
Speaker 1: they would probably split it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So point being like Mariners make the playoffs,
Speaker 2: Brian Wu's gonna be important that ar Like, I'll start
Speaker 2: that narrative right now, whether he's starting the game, whether
Speaker 2: he piggybacks, they are going to need him because there
Speaker 2: are not many guys on this pitching staff period who
Speaker 2: have better overpowering stuff than him, So they're gonna need him.
Speaker 1: Let's get to our last mail back question. This comes
Speaker 1: from Jacob sending us a question on YouTube, and the
Speaker 1: question is, now that you're regulars on seven to ten
Speaker 1: filling in, what is the next goal? Where would you
Speaker 1: like to fill in or get a recurring gig next?
Speaker 2: Well, that's nice, he says that. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know if we're technically regulars yet, but I mean it's
Speaker 2: cool we're doing it a second time, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: I will say, so here's what I've kind of talked about,
Speaker 2: and we'll see how much of this really comes to
Speaker 2: fruition or not. But I think both of us are
Speaker 2: very much in line in the sense that we want
Speaker 2: this podcast to go as far as we can possibly
Speaker 2: have it go, like we'd love to like, we don't
Speaker 2: have any plans to stop doing it, that's for sure,
Speaker 2: and we want to keep being creative and keep implementing
Speaker 2: new ideas and keep having cool guests, and you know,
Speaker 2: update our equipment soon enough to do a bunch more
Speaker 2: stuff with that. I would also, at LEAs for me,
Speaker 2: I don't want to speak for TJ. I would also
Speaker 2: love to parlay doing this podcast with eventually doing some
Speaker 2: national baseball stuff too, like we've had Jerry Rabis on
Speaker 2: this show. Some form of the type of setup he
Speaker 2: has now I think would be cool. He's got a
Speaker 2: team based podcast in the Red Sox that is as
Speaker 2: popular as a team podcast can be, but he's also
Speaker 2: very big nationally now and he does a bunch of
Speaker 2: different national baseball stuff. I'd love to do something like
Speaker 2: that where we've got this podcast. Hopefully we keep getting
Speaker 2: to fill in on the radio when they allow us
Speaker 2: to do so, because it's really fun and we and
Speaker 2: to have that presence. But some form of national stuff
Speaker 2: I'd love to do too, whether it's a national baseball
Speaker 2: podcast or just like national social content with you know,
Speaker 2: some of the stuff we do with players or fans.
Speaker 2: If we were going to do that on a national
Speaker 2: scale for an outlet, or if we started it on
Speaker 2: our own something like that. But like I'd love to
Speaker 2: do both, kind of like this is the last thing
Speaker 2: I'll say and I'll tr over to you. Like Brock
Speaker 2: for example, Brockyward he hosts Brockensak five days a week
Speaker 2: on Seattle Sports, but he also calls college football games
Speaker 2: for Fox like national games, so he does both. To
Speaker 2: have some double dip in baseball would be what I'd
Speaker 2: love to do. But I think we're in agreement this podcast,
Speaker 2: like we want to just keep going.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, I think it all boils back to, like you said,
Speaker 1: making this podcast as successful as possible and then seeing
Speaker 1: what opportunities like branch out because of because of this.
Speaker 1: Like for example, before we started this podcast, I thought,
Speaker 1: like me working in radio would get me opportunities to
Speaker 1: host in bigger markets, not this, Like legitimately that's what
Speaker 1: I thought, But because of the work we do here
Speaker 1: that has given open the door and given us the
Speaker 1: opportunity to do that, which is, you know, which is
Speaker 1: super cool. Like I again, I think it's like a
Speaker 1: basic simple answer, but but I pretty I just want
Speaker 1: to see where this takes us and see what doors
Speaker 1: open up after that, because like you're and I your
Speaker 1: life in my life, like post schools like change so much,
Speaker 1: and like, well we think we want to do like
Speaker 1: committing to just sort of like the only thing that
Speaker 1: remains consistent is like wanting to be around sports and
Speaker 1: wanting to be around baseball. So wherever like this takes that,
Speaker 1: like I think I'm cool with because I think it'll
Speaker 1: be fun no matter what we're doing. So it's not
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like a simple answer, but
Speaker 1: just trying to grow our platform as big as possible
Speaker 1: and allow some opportunities, have fun, be more interactive with
Speaker 1: you guys, and finding ways to make the continue to
Speaker 1: make this fun and engaging for you guys, and fun
Speaker 1: and engaging for us. So we want to keep doing it.
Speaker 1: And hopefully the Mariners play well too so we have
Speaker 1: more motivation.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and building a whole community out of this
Speaker 2: thing has been has been really fun too, and like
Speaker 2: meeting all these different Mariners fans. But like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: said that, well, I mean, look, I've always been kind
Speaker 2: of a person that thinks out ahead and has ideas
Speaker 2: and always just trying to you know, in brainstorms and
Speaker 2: and kind of maybe is maybe I'm a day dreamer.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like things could very well change,
Speaker 2: like like like that's what I'm talking about right now
Speaker 2: in terms of like, oh, I'd love to do that
Speaker 2: long term, like do the Mariners thing, also do some
Speaker 2: national stuff parlaid with it. But things could change, like
Speaker 2: you just said, Like I don't I don't think when
Speaker 2: we graduated school we thought we would be doing any
Speaker 2: anything other than play by play broadcasting and I also
Speaker 2: don't think when we very first started this podcast, we
Speaker 2: ever in a million years thought we'd be hosting Brock
Speaker 2: and Salk. So like it's kind of kind of a
Speaker 2: long winded way to say, like there's there's sometimes no
Speaker 2: way to know what's gonna happen out in front of you.
Speaker 2: But you know, with with the time we try to
Speaker 2: spend into making this something something cool, we hope more
Speaker 2: more interesting and exciting opportunities arise, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Right, and all based off of what we do here,
Speaker 1: I think, which is what an all time, what it
Speaker 1: all comes back.
Speaker 2: To, for sure, Like there's no plans to stop this thing,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. Like wherever wherever this road takes us,
Speaker 2: I think it always kind of will wind back up here.
Speaker 2: Now hopefully in time again we're doing more of this
Speaker 2: in person, because that'd be great, like all the in
Speaker 2: person recording.
Speaker 1: Or this person make more money and we have more
Speaker 1: time to do more things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what you want to talk about
Speaker 2: to the original point of the question, like how we
Speaker 2: might get more time on like other radio stations or
Speaker 2: national outlets or whatever. Yeah, if the Mariners make the playoffs,
Speaker 2: because if the Mariners make the playoffs and go on
Speaker 2: a run, like people are gonna want to hear about
Speaker 2: the Mariners more so than ever before. So we haven't
Speaker 2: done this podcast while the Mariners have been in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: So I would I'd love to experience that, not just
Speaker 2: because we want to see the Mariners in the playoffs
Speaker 2: as diehard fans, but like to see what content we
Speaker 2: could do out of that, and like what podcasts look like.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'd go to some games and vlog a
Speaker 2: playoff experience. It's like all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just to see the swell of interest would
Speaker 1: be nice.
Speaker 2: Sure, not too anyway, I mean that was a good
Speaker 2: last I mean all the questions were good. That was
Speaker 2: a good last question. It almost kind of worked as
Speaker 2: a speak your mind too, which works out. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd say that just about wraps up the mail bag,
Speaker 2: which has been another very good one. You guys are
Speaker 2: always good about sending in fun questions that make us
Speaker 2: think and are also you know, paired with some good
Speaker 2: Mariners questions too. It's all it's all fun, So shout
Speaker 2: out to you guys for being creative. I would say,
Speaker 2: all right, I think that just about wraps up this
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