Speaker 1: What it does the drink god Icewear vessel. Check me
Speaker 1: out on the Bootleg cav podcast right.
Speaker 2: Now Yo, Bootleg cat Podcast Special guests in here man
Speaker 2: my dog, Icewear Vezzo in the building.
Speaker 3: Or to do. What's up? Bro? What's good?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 3: How you feeling? Man?
Speaker 2: I'm good? Man cool? Is this a new chain?
Speaker 1: You probably ain't think this joint. It's my little six
Speaker 1: months you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: A lot of things about that chain. Litterally is not
Speaker 2: how I would describe it. I got the albums on
Speaker 2: the back of that bitch oh ship. I got it
Speaker 2: from piece. That shit's crazy that the jeweler who who
Speaker 2: passed away in Detroit is who did it? Yeah? Did
Speaker 2: they ever find who did that?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's super sad because I follow I follow a lot
Speaker 2: of the Detroit uh like I g pages and I
Speaker 2: saw that shit happened.
Speaker 3: Man, I know he was a good nigga.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, fucked up? How you been there? Man?
Speaker 3: Been cool and Bro just grinded. Yeah, and you know
Speaker 3: we just opened up the juice bar Troy, Michigan.
Speaker 2: She got a juice bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so last time I got it for my wife.
Speaker 3: It's something. She really does. She take this shit seriously.
Speaker 3: She's like real passionate.
Speaker 2: Hers right, so wife, wife, he runs the juice bar. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hers, I got it fun right, No family business man,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. It's family owned. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Does she allow? I wonder does she allow
Speaker 2: your potato chips to get sold in the juice bars?
Speaker 2: This is kind of the opposite end of the.
Speaker 3: Health spectrum for it.
Speaker 2: You can't get the vesel hot shipping in the juice bar.
Speaker 3: Everything in that motherfucker organic everything.
Speaker 2: Do you are you like pretty like healthy when it
Speaker 2: comes to just like what you're putting in your body.
Speaker 3: And ship because of her? Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's like I say e or is it like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I say bowls.
Speaker 1: We got fucking like ginger shots and like see like
Speaker 1: wheat grass and just all kind of ship.
Speaker 2: Like it's crazy too, man, because I always tell people like,
Speaker 2: I was out there about two years ago. That's when
Speaker 2: I linked with you when you're shooting your movie, and
Speaker 2: that was my first time in Detroit. I was out
Speaker 2: there for about a week and uh, you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't know what you.
Speaker 3: Came to the movie shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know what to expect out there, and
Speaker 2: I always tell everybody, man, I was just I loved
Speaker 2: it out there, bro with it. It was great. I
Speaker 2: felt like the energy was great. We were all over
Speaker 2: the place on the east side, on the west side.
Speaker 3: It was definitely moving through that bitch like a gangster.
Speaker 2: But it was so cool, man, Like the food was fire,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. We we definitely I think.
Speaker 3: Did you go to a Coney Island?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went to a few. One of them was
Speaker 2: really good. The one that we went to that was
Speaker 2: trash was the one. Was it on eight miles? It
Speaker 2: called Mickey D's or Nikki D's. By truth, I think
Speaker 2: it was right by truth. It wasn't great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right across on my on the eight mile.
Speaker 2: I think it was just by the strip club right
Speaker 2: across the street from it's a couple of the motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: Though the one I went to that was pretty good,
Speaker 2: I might have went.
Speaker 3: I don't know, uh remember that.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think where did we go. Sada took
Speaker 2: us to a place in his area. It was really good,
Speaker 2: but it was like we had like I think we
Speaker 2: had cheesecake and like I had like some sort of Sandwich.
Speaker 3: It was, uh, it was on Kelly and.
Speaker 2: Moross something like that.
Speaker 3: That's where he was at.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was funny too because being in Detroit is
Speaker 2: the only time I walked into a liquor store and
Speaker 2: they had the fake weed bags for a dollar apiece.
Speaker 1: Man, you know, we burnt out of the t I
Speaker 1: was like, cornersto, you need to get a white tea,
Speaker 1: some socks, all kind of ship.
Speaker 2: It's it's like and you could get like a counterfeit
Speaker 2: Gary Payton Cookie's bag to stuff some bullshit inside of
Speaker 2: or I mean, but of course, you know you've got
Speaker 2: vapes all up and through there. You got the h
Speaker 2: the chips. How how's the chip game treating good? Yeah?
Speaker 3: That Chanel met Chanel. Yeah, that was her thing. She
Speaker 3: pulled me in like a real gangst for sure.
Speaker 2: How important is it for you like to just continue
Speaker 2: to like push entrepreneurally, whether it's producing movies, whether it's
Speaker 2: launching the juice bar, because I feel like it's always
Speaker 2: something new outside of music with you, which is important.
Speaker 1: You know, it's starting off, I ain't gonna cap like
Speaker 1: at first, just doing like my entrepreneurship shit. I was
Speaker 1: doing that shit for the wrong reasons just to say
Speaker 1: I own shit, you know what I'm saying. Like if
Speaker 1: I was shorty twenty four, I bought a restaurant and
Speaker 1: a dispensary and the card wise, but I bought that
Speaker 1: shit just to say I had it. But now I
Speaker 1: do it because it's genuinely my passion. Like if I
Speaker 1: open up a business, it's something that I genuinely believe in.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm in this shit for
Speaker 1: the money. Now I'm not any for the look. So
Speaker 1: ye man, I don't jump on everything. Pause like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I passed a lot of shit up.
Speaker 1: I try to be try to be smart with what
Speaker 1: I invest in, you know what I mean. I'm still
Speaker 1: I got to get out of using my own money too.
Speaker 1: That's a problem for me.
Speaker 3: I gotta get out of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say, you know a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of the smart folks out here, though, they're really good
Speaker 2: at using other people's money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the name of the game. You gotta learn
Speaker 1: how to do that. I gotta get help.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's interesting too, because what I looked at
Speaker 2: as a positive would be somebody who has your background,
Speaker 2: somebody who's had your story, your journey through Detroit, not
Speaker 2: only meeting with one presidential candidate, but meeting with two. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I look at that as a big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they was mad at me, but they had a
Speaker 3: lot of people.
Speaker 2: Wasn't too happy with you.
Speaker 3: I know, that's what I said. That motherfucker was mad.
Speaker 2: I feel like people weren'tripping as much. You meet with RFK,
Speaker 2: but I feel like once you took the picture with Trump,
Speaker 2: motherfuckers was tripping.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, I
Speaker 3: don't blame them.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't understand what was going on, and
Speaker 1: they didn't understand my thinking and my mentality about everything
Speaker 1: and where I stand just with shit period outside of music.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't like I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: think I talked too much, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like about myself other than doing interviews.
Speaker 1: So a motherfucker might not know. I got a whole
Speaker 1: lot of sense, and I know better. I know better
Speaker 1: to I know to listen to all If I'm voting,
Speaker 1: I know to listen to all candidates, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Don't shut nobody out and don't just run
Speaker 1: with what mainstream media say. I try to do my
Speaker 1: own on independent research. I understand that I don't have
Speaker 1: to have no emotional connection to none of them, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm not with a party. I'm
Speaker 1: not a Republican, I'm not a Democrat, I'm not any
Speaker 1: of that. I'm just a black man that make music,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying from the trenches. So for me,
Speaker 1: it's like I always believe in going to the source
Speaker 1: to ask my questions instead of getting.
Speaker 3: Them third hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting them with like a I guess with some
Speaker 2: cut on it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Even even if I hear.
Speaker 1: Some shit that that it's possibly true, I still want
Speaker 1: to figure it out on my own right, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, but that aside, I understand why
Speaker 1: people would have felt the way, you know, we black,
Speaker 1: we motherfuckers feel how they feel.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. But for me, it's like
Speaker 3: I want to go see what's at it.
Speaker 2: I feel like too, I feel like two like it.
Speaker 2: It feels like at times, like you know, somebody who's
Speaker 2: been a lifelong Democrat feels like the Democratic Party takes
Speaker 2: advantage of black vote so.
Speaker 3: Much, without a doubt, they feel entitled to our.
Speaker 2: They don't have to earn it anymore.
Speaker 3: Black the black community, lifelong Democrats. Doctor King was registered Republican. Crazy.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, right, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I look at some of the things recently Trump's been saying,
Speaker 2: and I think to myself, if you just removed his
Speaker 2: name and you just were like, wait, somebody came out
Speaker 2: for legalizing weed, and someone came out for not taxing
Speaker 2: overtime hours and not taxing till, she'd be like, that's
Speaker 2: a radical, radical Democrat right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're still a Democrat.
Speaker 2: I'm independent.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I hit you when you were RFK because that's what
Speaker 2: I was going to vote for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I fuck with RFK.
Speaker 2: Was talking that.
Speaker 1: It ain't about no size with with RFK. It's about
Speaker 1: what right and wrong with him, you know. And he's
Speaker 1: strong about how he feel with his opinions.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: He not a he don't you know, he's not a
Speaker 1: trial member, tribal member. He don't move as as if
Speaker 1: he in a tribe like he was a Democrat.
Speaker 2: And they and they made it possible, they made it
Speaker 2: impossible for him to stay democratic.
Speaker 3: Facts, that's a fact.
Speaker 2: They changed all kinds.
Speaker 3: Of rules, tacked homes, you try to keep a gangster with.
Speaker 1: Us about COVID the the whole time, the whole time,
Speaker 1: and he was right, and it came out that he
Speaker 1: was right, but he had already got dragged and got canceled,
Speaker 1: and you know all that's crazy.
Speaker 3: I think his family like went against him, and shit,
Speaker 3: it's wild.
Speaker 2: Well you know, I think some of his family, a
Speaker 2: couple of members are in the biding cabinet and some capacity.
Speaker 2: It's wild though, Like you said, like on that COVID
Speaker 2: shit like that. I'm like, bro, this guy was right
Speaker 2: the whole time, was right.
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think he'd be right about everything,
Speaker 3: but don't know who to be. That's what I was
Speaker 3: about to say.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody one hundred percent correct about everything that they say?
Speaker 3: Excuse me, all their political views and all that, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't never believe one hundred percent of everything anybody say.
Speaker 1: You got to have your own mindset, You gotta have
Speaker 1: your own opinions, you know what I mean, Do your
Speaker 1: research and come up with you come come up with.
Speaker 1: Then we got to take our personal feelings out this shit.
Speaker 3: Stop being so emotional attached to politics.
Speaker 2: A tribe stopping so tribal exactly.
Speaker 3: We be tribal.
Speaker 2: And people are worried about the vessel more than they're
Speaker 2: worried about the policy.
Speaker 1: You know what, people fell and realized them folks as colleagues.
Speaker 1: They all on the same team.
Speaker 2: And they left the left wing, right wing, same bird.
Speaker 1: Same bird, the same bird. They're all on one and
Speaker 1: one team in one circle. They colleagues them. People know
Speaker 1: each other. They genuinely know each other. Yea, it's us
Speaker 1: that two sides, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And they and they divide us on like the fringe
Speaker 2: issues that I mean, the ship that really should matter
Speaker 2: is like are we going to go to World War
Speaker 2: three or not?
Speaker 3: That's what really mattered. I feel like I don't know
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 2: They got us fighting over like abortion and like random
Speaker 2: friendship where it's like, well what about the world war?
Speaker 2: That might be cracking off?
Speaker 1: You know, you remember back in the day, like at
Speaker 1: the barbershops and ship, the niggas used to disagree on everything,
Speaker 1: full fledged arguments, disagreeing, but in a respectful way. They
Speaker 1: was able to no, bro, don't what you're saying don't
Speaker 1: make sense.
Speaker 3: I look at it like this.
Speaker 1: They would do that ship all day, every day at
Speaker 1: the barber side, it's not the same nom or that
Speaker 1: energy is gone. You cannot you can't disagree without being
Speaker 1: attacked verbally, you know what I'm saying, or.
Speaker 2: Or truly like people severing ties with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or penning you to a specific side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you might agree. It's funny I say
Speaker 2: this all the time because it's like I might agree
Speaker 2: with you know, this with Trump or this with the left,
Speaker 2: but it's like it's either all or nothing. It's like
Speaker 2: it's all or nothing.
Speaker 3: That's a fact.
Speaker 2: It's so disheartening.
Speaker 3: That's how I am. Though.
Speaker 1: I agree with a lot of shit, and not even
Speaker 1: just with with Trump period. Just like conservative ship, I
Speaker 1: agree with a lot of shit they do. I agree
Speaker 1: with shit that Democrats do it. I'm not on no,
Speaker 1: not with a party. Individual.
Speaker 2: Being independent is the way to go, man, the way to.
Speaker 3: Go, y'all staying dependent all the way around nobody.
Speaker 2: Oh, I tell this to everybody, nobody on drivo.
Speaker 3: Fuck.
Speaker 2: And then when people are trying to be like, well,
Speaker 2: if you vote for RFK, you're throwing your vote away,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's my vote, dog, it's not throwing
Speaker 2: Like to me, that that's the that's the state of
Speaker 2: mind that they want you to be in. So you
Speaker 2: have to choose between two parties, and it's like, what's
Speaker 2: my vote? Fuck with y'all think I ain't throwing my
Speaker 2: vote away because I'm voting with who I feel like
Speaker 2: is the best choice.
Speaker 3: That's a fact.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting to say the least. Man, I'm curious, man, like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, it feels like the energy in Detroit has been,
Speaker 2: at least amongst all the leaders of the hip hop community,
Speaker 2: has been real positive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, has been.
Speaker 2: Everybody's been moving you to sit in the same direction.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that energy from your perspective as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I do.
Speaker 1: I feel like that even when it be like lit
Speaker 1: shit or somebody might disagree with each other, it's shit.
Speaker 1: Stay behind the scenes. They don't get too far, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We try to all be respectful
Speaker 1: to our city and not fuck up this opportunity for
Speaker 1: ourselves like that, ain't she ain't got it the internet,
Speaker 1: especially if it's some real life shit. Real life is
Speaker 1: real life. The Internet ain't real life. We got to
Speaker 1: learn how to separate that. The Internet is a facade,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, ain't that she ain't real,
Speaker 1: it's not tangible. That shit is highlights and a lot
Speaker 1: of games, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So no one's gonna post the bad times on Instagram.
Speaker 3: On this a fact.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think we do a great job with
Speaker 1: keeping whatever business private.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that was like one thing that
Speaker 2: was working against Detroit for a lot of years, was
Speaker 2: just so much conflict with everybody, you know, like a
Speaker 2: negative kind of cloud.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was definitely a negative cloud. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what the problem was. I think
Speaker 1: the problem was the world didn't understand that sign. I
Speaker 1: remember in like two thousand and fourteen, bro, I went
Speaker 1: to New York and I was playing I went to
Speaker 1: play one of the biggest songs in Detroit at the time,
Speaker 1: two of them.
Speaker 2: It was money Phone, Money Phone was my shit, and I.
Speaker 1: Had a song called Dancing. I went to play that
Speaker 1: shit in New York for the labels. They like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is this? They thought it was trash, they
Speaker 1: thought it was terrible. It's the same type of beasts
Speaker 1: that I wrap on right now, same lingos, same everything.
Speaker 1: The world just was wasn't ready to understand, to accept
Speaker 1: that sound. It took some time. It's a unique sound,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Our music sped up everything
Speaker 1: fast now, that motherfucker. Like, So, I just think it
Speaker 1: was the timing. I don't think it was necessarily the
Speaker 1: beasts niggas said. I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: usually the smoke turns it up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We're being ignorant about it. But yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: a fair point sound and the timing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting too because now you'll hear like
Speaker 2: so many non even Midwest artists, the Detroit sound, even
Speaker 2: like the style of like you Knowdens, just the way
Speaker 2: bars are delivered. I'm like, man, Rio's influenced so many people.
Speaker 3: Real influence the whole generation.
Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy. It's like I feel like there's
Speaker 2: even kids that don't even know who they're influenced by.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, like you really sound like a little
Speaker 2: like baby, really, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Really like that. It's really like that in real life.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that shit though, Like niggas ain't gotta fuck
Speaker 1: with our sound, you know what I mean. So when
Speaker 1: niggas from like other cities and states rap on our
Speaker 1: type of instrumentals. It ain't doing nothing but help push
Speaker 1: our agenda out further because this is something that we
Speaker 1: mastered already. So if you you you doing you you
Speaker 1: just trying it, and if it worked for you, it's
Speaker 1: good for us. Because this is sound we mastered. We
Speaker 1: can just go follow them them saying footsteps with some
Speaker 1: shit that we already got locked down. So you know,
Speaker 1: we definitely ain't one of them type of places where
Speaker 1: it's like everybody want to sound like use.
Speaker 3: We don't think like that. Niggas ain't gotta fuck with
Speaker 3: the sound.
Speaker 1: Niggas is pushing that agenda for us, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Because it might not say, if I'm a
Speaker 1: fucking Delaware it might not take a Detroit artist for
Speaker 1: Delaware to respect the Detroit sound. Might take a nigga
Speaker 1: from Delaware to rap on a Detroit beat to make
Speaker 1: Delaware respect that sound, right, So they pushing the agenda,
Speaker 1: They pushing that sound for us.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: How big of a deal was it for you man,
Speaker 2: being through everything you've been through with obviously being incarcerated,
Speaker 2: coming back out kind of having a hit reset, going
Speaker 2: through it with it was motown, right, yeah, and then
Speaker 2: ended up, you know, getting a plaque off of Up
Speaker 2: the Score like that had to be like a real
Speaker 2: independently too.
Speaker 3: Like off the show.
Speaker 2: That had to be I mean that that's gotta to
Speaker 2: me that that means more than like on Diamond One.
Speaker 1: That was one of the moments for me, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, the fact that it was independent. You're
Speaker 1: at the same time it was mo so like that't
Speaker 1: need more. I ain't even really ready to celebrate this
Speaker 1: shit because I need some more.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I did this ship once. I can do this shit
Speaker 1: again and again and again and again, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that's just how I see it. But
Speaker 1: it was still one of the moments because it was independent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is uh.
Speaker 2: You know for you this go around because obviously you're
Speaker 2: with QC. Now are you still with QC?
Speaker 3: I'm independent, so.
Speaker 2: You're back independent. That was the last album, that was
Speaker 2: the last project with q S, So you're back to
Speaker 2: fully being into.
Speaker 1: It's gonna stay that way. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: do real good. I just do real good when I'm independent,
Speaker 1: I do I do amazing. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I feel like I put in the same exact type
Speaker 1: of work, you know what I mean. It's just shit,
Speaker 1: just shit, just turn up for me every time I'm independent.
Speaker 2: I think too, man, I think, you know, I know.
Speaker 2: I feel like you have like a good team, like
Speaker 2: in a good infrastructure where I'm not sure like outside
Speaker 2: of an advance what a label could do for you,
Speaker 2: because you understand how to work your ship more than
Speaker 2: any label would understand how to work your ship. So
Speaker 2: it's like you It's what I say all the time.
Speaker 2: Like even like in the radio world, we have like
Speaker 2: salespeople who will sell us as radio personalities, but they
Speaker 2: don't understand the brands. Yeah, so it's like, well, the
Speaker 2: personality could really sell the shit better than y'all could
Speaker 2: because we understand the brands. We live this shit. That's
Speaker 2: just like you. This is your music, this is your sound.
Speaker 2: You know how to you know what to do with
Speaker 2: it more than anybody though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've been putting I've been put in position
Speaker 1: before where label just didn't understand, you know, they wasn't
Speaker 1: seeing what I was seeing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because they they feel like they the machine like Nigga.
Speaker 3: No, you need to listen to us and learn.
Speaker 2: From Now you gotta do this song with this person.
Speaker 2: You gotta wrap on this kind of shit. We gotta
Speaker 2: put you on with this A and R.
Speaker 1: At the same time. And every time I heard that,
Speaker 1: I think, like that, maybe you're right. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I don't want to be the nigga that
Speaker 1: feel like you know everything. I like learning from everybody,
Speaker 1: and I ain't got nothing to lose by trying shit.
Speaker 1: But when shit don't work, I just stick right back
Speaker 1: to my guns. And every time I lead the lead
Speaker 1: on my music and the way I want to market
Speaker 1: it and all that shit, shit just work out and
Speaker 1: I win every time.
Speaker 3: It never feel I always win.
Speaker 2: And you keep all the money.
Speaker 3: All the money on all the money.
Speaker 2: Man, So you are are you just you're just doing
Speaker 2: like distro kid toun Corps. You got a distro situation.
Speaker 3: Now I got a distro joint.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: I ain't I ain't never did to them or.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like a one. That's the one thing
Speaker 2: about some of these distro companies. It's like there's the
Speaker 2: district companies that will take like twenty percent just to
Speaker 2: hit upload. Yeah, and then there's like and that's all
Speaker 2: they're really doing.
Speaker 3: Distro Kid got representatives like can you call them? Can
Speaker 3: you talk to them? Yes? If you're you yes, yes,
Speaker 3: email them folks, and they.
Speaker 2: Pick the top tier artists have a direct contact with
Speaker 2: both of you.
Speaker 1: Stress why I ain't never fun with them? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I thought you couldn't talk to them people.
Speaker 1: But I like where I'm met. I'm in a really
Speaker 1: great situation with a great company and great individuals.
Speaker 2: The one thing that's dope is uh with distro Kid
Speaker 2: is just as easy to pay your producers. What you mean, like,
Speaker 2: let's say like or let's say it's a feature, right,
Speaker 2: let's say like, you know, you get a feature from
Speaker 2: artists a an artists is like you want to be like, ayo,
Speaker 2: I want to take care of you on the future. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you just give them, let's say, ten percent of the
Speaker 2: record and yeah the money just district gets splits it
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 3: That same shit what I'm at the Yeah, we got
Speaker 3: a great situation. That's good, wonderful.
Speaker 1: I'm staying with them people for a long time. Who
Speaker 1: is it foundational media?
Speaker 2: Oh, shout out to Lee Hero you know's you're good
Speaker 2: in good hands. Lea's my brother for rial, my.
Speaker 3: Brother right there. Man, Lee really a good dude, bro.
Speaker 2: Like you're not long the way.
Speaker 3: Man, He's not a dog, he's not a shyster business
Speaker 3: with foundation and he's smart and he give up the gang. Lee,
Speaker 3: give up the gang. You know what I'm saying. Get
Speaker 3: a knowledge out.
Speaker 2: So and the cool thing about Lee too is like
Speaker 2: ship dog if if you catch one for real, that
Speaker 2: motherfucker can't upstream that ship real quick.
Speaker 3: That's what ups goes on. Oh I realize that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: shut that bitch on the foundation.
Speaker 2: He's great. Yeah, you're in good hands man for for sure.
Speaker 3: Keep it thugging.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: Man shut out to Lee.
Speaker 2: Man shouts the foundation. Man, talk to me, man, like
Speaker 2: for you, uh are you? Obviously we're gonna release this
Speaker 2: when your new project comes out. It's your new project.
Speaker 3: Done Live from the sixth Part two.
Speaker 2: Okay, what features you got on it?
Speaker 1: I ain't putting no features on it. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say all my features. I got a hell of
Speaker 1: features too right now, like shit that I ain't dropped
Speaker 1: that I've been doing as of recent I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: them for like the top of the year or either
Speaker 1: end of this year. I want to Bro, I don't
Speaker 1: have not one project where I don't got features.
Speaker 2: This should be your first project.
Speaker 3: You Yeah, I might put my kids on this, bitch
Speaker 3: and do some fried shit that'll be fire, do a
Speaker 3: skin or something. Maybe I have them to a hug.
Speaker 1: I don't put my kids on it. I probably put
Speaker 1: my nigga bankroll Freddy on their free bank road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, free him, man, for sure.
Speaker 3: That's my nigga, that nigga right there, Bro, I wonder
Speaker 3: man like.
Speaker 2: For you, you know, being somebody who so loved in your city,
Speaker 2: but also just knowing how like.
Speaker 3: I ain't nobody loved in they city.
Speaker 2: Why, Hey, I fully loved. I was gonna tell you
Speaker 2: I'm dealing with that ship right now. But you know,
Speaker 2: we just saw some details of of Dolph's murder obviously
Speaker 2: come out, which was heartbreaking to here. Obviously rest in
Speaker 2: peace to Dolf. But I'm curious, man, like, do you
Speaker 2: make sure like when you're moving around like you're very
Speaker 2: very I mean I've been, I've been with you. I
Speaker 2: know you move around pretty militantly, but like you said,
Speaker 2: you're you're never especially in your hometown. Bro, like you
Speaker 2: got the biggest might you get the most love and
Speaker 2: the most hate.
Speaker 1: It's about it's either love or hate or respect. You know,
Speaker 1: it's either one of them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak on nobody's situation. Rest in peace, doff.
Speaker 1: That ain't my place, That ain't my polity.
Speaker 2: Talking about that. I just mean just in terms of
Speaker 2: just like you know, he passed away in his hometown,
Speaker 2: like just being careful, you know, being a lot more careful.
Speaker 3: When I'm not telling no niggas how I move. That's fair,
Speaker 3: NA got to figure it out. Speaking on how.
Speaker 2: I'm curious for you You've learned so much through the
Speaker 2: music industry being in so many different sitis situations. Are
Speaker 2: you trying to build a label out yourself find talent?
Speaker 2: Are you ready to do that?
Speaker 3: Or? Man? You know what?
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that's where I was with it
Speaker 1: for a while, But nah, I'm most so just like
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to run a check up, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying anyway, and more focus on business and
Speaker 1: like my family and shit like that. But I got
Speaker 1: a couple niggas around me that I genuinely believe in
Speaker 1: that I got real love for that. I know gonna
Speaker 1: make it and I know gonna blow up, and I
Speaker 1: think the best thing for me to help them with
Speaker 1: and show them niggas how to be bosses and own
Speaker 1: their own shit. I don't want to be in nobody
Speaker 1: way and be getting money off of no nigga that
Speaker 1: especially if I ain't got to, because it's a way
Speaker 1: around vessel. It's always a way around niggas, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'd rather show my young niggas that
Speaker 1: way around me.
Speaker 3: And for the longest, I always wanted that, you know,
Speaker 3: let me want to be the CE or let me
Speaker 3: sign niggas.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that that. It's just not for
Speaker 1: me at the moment. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes with a lot of responsibility to.
Speaker 3: Do it, come with a lot of responsibility, but not
Speaker 3: only that.
Speaker 1: I genuinely feel in my heart it don't make sense
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 3: You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You're not You're not there yet, You're not in that mindset.
Speaker 1: I'm not in that mindset, and even if I was,
Speaker 1: it's a way around me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'd rather show niggas how to get dogs shit rich
Speaker 1: if I if I can do that and help create
Speaker 1: other more time millionaires, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to be a own
Speaker 1: no nigga. Who the fuck am I of own a nigga?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We ain't in slavery no more.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that. Just go too deep with
Speaker 1: the ship just period though. Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I look at niggas like Jungle, look at niggas like Butter.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Sbrps like them. Niggas got
Speaker 1: real talent and they with me all the time. And
Speaker 1: I know them niggas don't. Niggas don't need me. It's
Speaker 1: just for them to just stay focused and I'll just
Speaker 1: put some plays down and do as much as I can.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, for them niggas to get
Speaker 1: where they need to be, I feel like they gonna
Speaker 1: need motors, just a vessel, respectfully, you know, just being
Speaker 1: one hundred. I don't want to just look like a bus.
Speaker 1: I really am a buss, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the nigga that just seem
Speaker 1: like he he this, and he that I try to
Speaker 1: be what I what, I what I feel like, I
Speaker 1: am what I think I am, and I like to
Speaker 1: appear less than what I really am.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And I think also you know your family, man, so
Speaker 2: it's like all of that extra responsibility it takes away
Speaker 2: from bandw.
Speaker 3: You, my team, brothers and sisters. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like you know, it's almost
Speaker 2: like would you rather sign an artist that could or
Speaker 2: could not work out or open.
Speaker 4: The juice shop with your wife? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: open ten. I could do both. You can if you
Speaker 4: know the right situation. Come on, my behalf to where
Speaker 4: somebody open that door for me. And because I know telling,
Speaker 4: I know how to market, I know how to do
Speaker 4: this shit. If that door was to open up for
Speaker 4: me and I'm able to spend somebody else money, and
Speaker 4: fuck it, We're gonna turn ship all the way up,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But in the meantime, I
Speaker 4: think I really just show niggas how to get their
Speaker 4: own money and be their own bosses.
Speaker 3: I've signed niggas before, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's fair to them.
Speaker 2: How dope has it been? Was it last year there
Speaker 2: was two Detroit rappers on the Double X Show?
Speaker 3: It was this year?
Speaker 2: I think it was last year. I think it was
Speaker 2: Skiller Baby and Baby Trump my tripping, Yep, it.
Speaker 3: Was baby Face Ray being on Ray being on there,
Speaker 3: I think so, yeah, raving on there, and I think
Speaker 3: it was I think it was three. I think it
Speaker 3: was three. He's well this year.
Speaker 2: I think it was Skiller Baby last year on there.
Speaker 2: If it would have been this year, if he was
Speaker 2: on there, so would have been this year. Baby.
Speaker 3: I think last year was Baby Trump.
Speaker 2: And and and Babyface Ray.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this year's Skiller and V's right correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they both deserved it.
Speaker 2: No, it's just dope like to see like, you know,
Speaker 2: shit man at Double Excel. I feel like it's so
Speaker 2: biased and major label biased at times, like LA don't
Speaker 2: get no fucking love on the magazines like at all ever,
Speaker 2: they being like that, Oh yeah, I mean I don't
Speaker 2: even know who like from LA has been on the cover, Like.
Speaker 3: Damn, that's crazy. Ain't nobody what nobody?
Speaker 2: Ain't The last person was Blast and I think before
Speaker 2: that it was tied out sign. I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but I know it was the last person where they
Speaker 2: based out of.
Speaker 3: From New York. Yeah, what do you think that's about.
Speaker 2: It's just some New York bis. That's why I think
Speaker 2: it's dope that you guys have like forced you guys
Speaker 2: are doing so much and it's like y'all can't ignore
Speaker 2: what the fuck we're doing over here.
Speaker 3: Definitely appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Look this ship, yo, What were your thoughts when you heard?
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of dope when that Toby
Speaker 2: record drop, but it was Eminem, Big Sean and Baby Tron.
Speaker 3: I think that record fire, and I just thought it was.
Speaker 2: Cool because it was like three generations that was fire
Speaker 2: and everyone blacked out trying like the new white Boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was fire. Yeah you fucked with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I fuck with it. I fuck with trying period.
Speaker 1: I fuck with Seine obviously. I'm a fucking I'm a legend, bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he like top five period like on any list, on
Speaker 1: any list, it no matter what the list is, and
Speaker 1: that motherfucker really can rap well.
Speaker 2: I think too. It was just kind of cool to
Speaker 2: see because you know, you would always hear critiques of
Speaker 2: him that like maybe he's not like hip to like
Speaker 2: what's like are acknowledging the newer generation of Detroit. But
Speaker 2: it was to me that was kind of dope because
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 3: I mean, whether he acknowledged new generation or not, it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. He didn't do that type of shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Roy Royce is kind of like his
Speaker 2: his like ear too when it comes to a lot
Speaker 2: of that ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Royce Royce a real nigga though, fuck with Royceros
Speaker 1: do a lot of real niggas.
Speaker 2: Shit for sure. Royce is a legend and also one
Speaker 2: of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Royce and motherfucker too. You know who Roy's got
Speaker 3: Courtney Belly.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I am yeah nigga dog with this ship
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. And then proof Son, proof Son is killing
Speaker 2: the son. Yeah he's doing this thing. He was just
Speaker 2: up here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he fired.
Speaker 2: He's super phones y'all. Y'all keep ship, y'all got it
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: We got a hell of talent from all kinds of
Speaker 1: genres and ship. We got the streets, we got the
Speaker 1: backpack ship, we got pop ship.
Speaker 3: Got singing ship.
Speaker 2: Yo. What are your thoughts on on on your pistons?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Man, man, I'm not even gonna lie, bro. I don't
Speaker 3: even watch sports for real.
Speaker 2: I know the season is about to start.
Speaker 1: I love all the Detroit teams just because they fron
Speaker 1: that way, but I don't watch that ship.
Speaker 3: Bro, I don't watch sports at all.
Speaker 2: To be fair, you haven't had a reason to watch
Speaker 2: the Pistons.
Speaker 3: Like, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I do feel like the Lion's gonna gonna win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 3: I just feel that. Shit. I don't know why boll
Speaker 3: Lions are good. I think them boys really going in.
Speaker 1: I just it just seemed like I feel it smell
Speaker 1: that ship the that's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So remember I said that the boys gonna take that bitch.
Speaker 2: Yo. It's crazy too, because, like I went to a
Speaker 2: when we're in Detroit. I didn't realize I found out
Speaker 2: Little Seesars started in Detroit.
Speaker 3: You're talking about the piece spart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that was started in Detroit. I
Speaker 2: had no idea. I didn't know because I was like, yo, oh,
Speaker 2: it's the Little Caesars Arena, and they're like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: started here. I'm like, oh, that makes sense because they
Speaker 2: used to be popping with the square people.
Speaker 3: What's home? She was a black dude, Levan Hawkins. That's
Speaker 3: that's that's all you remember. That's his name, Levan Hawkins.
Speaker 3: He had a run with the Little Caesars.
Speaker 2: Listen, there's been nothing more clutching, uh the life of
Speaker 2: up and coming struggling radio personality as myself when I
Speaker 2: was a kid in a five dollar.
Speaker 3: Pizza, I mean struggling, saying back then, back then that
Speaker 3: he used to survive.
Speaker 2: My son was off that little see.
Speaker 1: That trap special, that's that one bitch, that's that Yeah,
Speaker 1: nigga fetold ready ready.
Speaker 2: That ship man. So, like you said, you got a
Speaker 2: bunch of big features that you're just sitting on that
Speaker 2: are gonna be for the next project. So like, now
Speaker 2: that you're independent, obviously you could just do what the
Speaker 2: fuck you want. Yeah, new albums dropping in October. I'm
Speaker 2: assuming we're not gonna have to wait much longer for.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just so I hurry up and push the
Speaker 1: other album.
Speaker 2: Would you do a joint project with anybody?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What I feel like there's been some good ones coming
Speaker 2: out of out of the city obviously for sure. The
Speaker 2: tea grizzy skill of Baby Album's hardest. Fuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that bitch was stupid.
Speaker 1: That's the album at the one song they had on
Speaker 1: perfect right, what's the name of the song?
Speaker 2: I think you got gorgeous? That gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I do a joint album. I just don't know who.
Speaker 2: Who would you want to do a joint album?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're on tour with Pez right now.
Speaker 3: That's my brother, that's my twin.
Speaker 2: Both you guys are independent.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Peasy Peasy's a's as a feature partner is Payro boys
Speaker 1: got a lot of shit together.
Speaker 2: They do boys good.
Speaker 3: That's a good duo. That's a great duo.
Speaker 2: Y'all was a good duo. Toy' all the road.
Speaker 1: Again easy my twin. Though, I think I want to
Speaker 1: do some ship with somebody like that.
Speaker 3: I don't like that. I rarely do music with you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. To make somebody from Flint, I
Speaker 3: do it. I do it like Crispy Life Rio all
Speaker 3: niggas Flint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta be hard. Yeah, I feel like I feel
Speaker 2: like that's kind of like been. The thing in Detroit
Speaker 2: is like these collad projects popping up and they've all
Speaker 2: delivered for sure. So for you, like you're not like
Speaker 2: would you say you're not going to entertain a label
Speaker 2: situation ever again, because at this point you're.
Speaker 3: You fucking paper right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's gotta be something.
Speaker 1: Somebody go spend on the youngins. It gotta be about them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Again, Like right now, I
Speaker 1: won't waste nobody time. But if if it's a sweet situation,
Speaker 1: then if it's something that's about more so about other
Speaker 1: people and not myself, fuck it.
Speaker 3: Like a label deal with some with a real check.
Speaker 2: Like a real infrastructure, real bad where you could put
Speaker 2: somebody by.
Speaker 1: A real team and a full team and really sit
Speaker 1: back and put my mind to work and focus on
Speaker 1: other people more.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I just want to get I just want a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of more money and just sit back and
Speaker 1: spend my shit quietly.
Speaker 3: Bro. I like I don't.
Speaker 1: I like being low, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: ain't no party nigga. I don't go out, I don't
Speaker 1: hang out. I don't be with nobody. I don't hang
Speaker 1: with nobody, you know what I'm saying. I got a
Speaker 1: lot of homies, I got a lot of family, I
Speaker 1: got a lot of I got a lot of youngins.
Speaker 1: But I'm a nigga that just beat dolo all day,
Speaker 1: every day until I feel like popping out. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: on the floor, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: The last time we chatted on the pod, we were
Speaker 2: talking about some of the reading you were doing you
Speaker 2: were incarcerated. I just had a guy name x Rated
Speaker 2: on from Sack. He was locked up for twenty six
Speaker 2: years and went gold in prison, like in the early
Speaker 2: so x Rated. He's from Sacramento. He used to work
Speaker 2: with like ci Bow and like brother Lynch, and he
Speaker 2: was recording rap albums in the nineties from over the
Speaker 2: phone from jail. I keep here's a couple of gold
Speaker 2: albums from prison.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we're talking and like he was just saying, like,
Speaker 2: obviously you didn't do that amount of time, but you
Speaker 2: did I feel like gain some perspective on life from
Speaker 2: sitting down. What do you think is the difference between
Speaker 2: somebody who can come out on the other side of
Speaker 2: those experiences. I wouldn't necessarily say rehabilitated, but maybe enlightened
Speaker 2: with a lot more perspective and a lot more appreciation,
Speaker 2: and then like people who seem to just get stuck
Speaker 2: in the system if you will, And you know, because
Speaker 2: sometimes it's hard to break away from friend groups and
Speaker 2: break away from certain habits once you get free.
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 1: I already had an opportunity for myself before.
Speaker 3: I went, so you saw a glimpse of what seeing
Speaker 3: a glimpse of it. So being in there only enhanced
Speaker 3: my plan, you know what I'm saying. It made my
Speaker 3: ideas stronger, made my ambition stronger. I had already seen
Speaker 3: some shit, you know what I'm saying, already made a lot.
Speaker 1: Of money, and I knew it was way more to
Speaker 1: get before I went in. I thought I had it.
Speaker 1: I thought I had a lot. Then going in I
Speaker 1: realized I ain't had shit and went enough and it
Speaker 1: made me want way more. And I already had a
Speaker 1: plan because I laid the blueprint down for myself before
Speaker 1: I went in. So I feel like I had a
Speaker 1: fortunate situation in the end, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And everybody don't get that type of blessing to have
Speaker 1: that type of opportunity, So it'd be hard to kind
Speaker 1: of maybe see where other dudes mind that mentally on
Speaker 1: how they end up back in them places. You know,
Speaker 1: I can't say I understand, but I can't fully condemn
Speaker 1: them because again, I had a different opportunity that they.
Speaker 2: And you you also had a a glimpse of this
Speaker 2: shit working exactly.
Speaker 1: I already seen it already, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I knew how I was capable of already. A lot
Speaker 1: of niggas ain't got that. A lot of niggas don't rap,
Speaker 1: So sometimes the streets that'd be all a lot of
Speaker 1: niggas know, And it's hard to break up out that cycle.
Speaker 3: And that's all, you know, I got opportunity.
Speaker 1: I'm an artist, and it was hard for me to
Speaker 1: break out that shit like it was. It was hard
Speaker 1: bro our bona fide street nigga like in real life,
Speaker 1: was getting real money.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That shit wasn't easy. It took.
Speaker 1: It took a long time for me to say, you
Speaker 1: know what rap should be first, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean. It took for me to go to
Speaker 3: prison to really feel that way, like, yeah, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, it should be this only but with
Speaker 3: more encourage, me more striving this shit. So it's hard.
Speaker 1: To condemn other people or or see where they mindset
Speaker 1: at by keep falling back in them same.
Speaker 3: Positions, and yeah, it's fucked up out here. Bro.
Speaker 1: It's not easy. This ain't it's not easy. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of niggas get a late start with late bloomers.
Speaker 1: Niggas don't realize they should have stayed in school today
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It'd be different if niggas realize that in the ninth grade, like, damn,
Speaker 1: I should start back going to school. I should stay
Speaker 1: in school. I need to catch up on last semester.
Speaker 1: We don't understand this shit until we twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I feel like it's like a
Speaker 2: scarlet letter on you when you come out as a
Speaker 2: feeling the amount of job opportunities you have is extremely limited.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you can't lie on an application.
Speaker 3: And we lose our rights. You can't vote, so it's
Speaker 3: no you can vote, but.
Speaker 2: A conflicted villain. I don't think you can vote in
Speaker 2: the national lecture?
Speaker 3: Can you can vote?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I vote?
Speaker 2: Maybe is that a michigandough that's period. Oh, I didn't
Speaker 2: know that you can vote.
Speaker 3: You can vote. Convicted feiling can vote. I didn't know
Speaker 3: that we can vote.
Speaker 1: Now federally we can vote, but The thing is, we
Speaker 1: lose other rights. You know, say a nigga go to prison,
Speaker 1: he lose his rights. He get out, start a bitch,
Speaker 1: become a law biding citizen at the people in the
Speaker 1: trenches that he grew up with.
Speaker 3: They don't like that.
Speaker 1: They feeling a way this man can't protect itself, he
Speaker 1: can't protect his family.
Speaker 3: He not trust to have a weapon, He not trusted
Speaker 3: to have a weapon. He still looked at like an
Speaker 3: irresponsible nigga, like a piece of shit. So any man
Speaker 3: when they back against the wall in that type of situation,
Speaker 3: they gonna choose. They gonna choose safety, and they gonna
Speaker 3: choose life over anything else. And that's how a lot
Speaker 3: of niggas get out, do good and go right back
Speaker 3: because most of the time they protecting themself. It just
Speaker 3: looked bad. It just look bad on paper.
Speaker 1: It looked bad in front of the courts because they
Speaker 1: not understanding that scenario.
Speaker 3: You are feeling you shouldn't have a gun. You terrible,
Speaker 3: go back to jail. They don't care about why you
Speaker 3: had that, bitch, They don't care about how the reason
Speaker 3: you had to use that motherfucker. They just care that
Speaker 3: you had it. So we lose a lot of rights,
Speaker 3: you know, and it ain't nobody fought while we initially
Speaker 3: lose the rights. I just think it should be a
Speaker 3: little different, you know. I think the process should be
Speaker 3: a little different.
Speaker 1: I think they should judge from a different standpoint, you know,
Speaker 1: Judge somebody's character, See what they life about, see the
Speaker 1: position they in, See if they can be trusted to
Speaker 1: give it some time, even if it's ten years. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I think with like state shit,
Speaker 1: you can get your rights back. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's like that on the federal end. It may be.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I never heard of that.
Speaker 2: I wonder like when you were able to I don't
Speaker 2: know how long you're able to travel up an RFK
Speaker 2: or be able to kind of bounce any of those concerns.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to. It's so many great areas with politicians.
Speaker 1: I ain't want to put his back against that against
Speaker 1: the wall, that's the wrong question, and get a response
Speaker 1: for my question, but for a question he possibly.
Speaker 3: Shouldn't be answering.
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to put him in that position,
Speaker 1: So I stayed away from certain shit, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: How was Trump when you met him.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it was with a for a reason, with
Speaker 3: a gender.
Speaker 1: But it was quick, it was real quick pause, It
Speaker 1: was quick, but it was what it was, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I went there, I put myself on
Speaker 1: the line. I went there. I want to see this ship.
Speaker 1: You really like this? You don't like this, you don't
Speaker 1: like that?
Speaker 2: Well, isn't that? Isn't that what they were saying. He
Speaker 2: was supposed to be like in a bad area, but
Speaker 2: there was like hell of white people in the crowd.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't know what to believe because
Speaker 2: I just saw every side of the news. One side
Speaker 2: of the news was saying Trump with the hood. The
Speaker 2: other side of the news was saying, yeah, but it
Speaker 2: was a bunch of white folks in the crowd.
Speaker 1: He was in the trenches for show, But it definitely was.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of white people there. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of black people too, a whole lot. Is
Speaker 1: that a black church? But I don't know, bro, it
Speaker 1: is what it is.
Speaker 2: I feel like two like people understand, like there's like
Speaker 2: a real It's funny because I say this all the time,
Speaker 2: but when that time I was in Detroit, for that
Speaker 2: week going to a Tech nine concert right by what's
Speaker 2: that venue? By Eminem's restaurant across the street from the
Speaker 2: Tigers Park. There's a concert venue.
Speaker 3: Right there in the theater Fox Filmore. No, you're talking
Speaker 3: about the Funk, that's the Fox. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So I'm in this crowd, and if you know
Speaker 2: anything about Tech nine, he has a lot of a
Speaker 2: you know, interesting.
Speaker 3: Fans, right, you got like a coat like fan for sure.
Speaker 2: But in the crowd, I'm like people watching, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I really get Eminem now, Like Eminem would
Speaker 2: have been one of these guys, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: like there's some like real like you know, because where
Speaker 2: I'm from, we got white trash. But I feel like
Speaker 2: Detroit white trash. He's different. That's like that auto industry.
Speaker 2: It just it just being the tourist I was. We
Speaker 2: drove through, uh, the trailer park or wherever it was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, shits smiling, Yeah, you're not too
Speaker 2: far from that cony I went to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right down the street. Yeah, it's the block after
Speaker 1: month pretty much. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's like it's like a trailer park. But
Speaker 2: then you know the bitch like tucked off a little
Speaker 2: bit for sure. Yeah on me And where his trailer was,
Speaker 2: It's just like a plot now, it's like not a trailer.
Speaker 3: They moved that motherfucker.
Speaker 2: No, there's just there's nothing there right now.
Speaker 1: Like what I'm saying, they moved the trailer to sew
Speaker 1: that bitch for five ms get this bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's someone bought that house, you know,
Speaker 2: someone about that house. I think that was on the
Speaker 2: Marshall Matters up here, or it was up for auction
Speaker 2: for that crib was on Brad for the Crazy obviously
Speaker 2: outside of the music man, outside of the album. Uh,
Speaker 2: what's next for you? Man?
Speaker 1: I just wrapped up another movie. It's a comedy card
Speaker 1: Ride Shure. I directed this joint. Though I ain't really
Speaker 1: acting in there. I had fun on the set for
Speaker 1: this one. So yeah, fuck with them movies heavy, I'm
Speaker 1: just cozing, bro, I'm thugging, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: What is the whatever are these? Where are these are
Speaker 2: these movies.
Speaker 3: Going to be this one?
Speaker 2: Amazon?
Speaker 1: We had all my movies on Amazon and Toby and
Speaker 1: Google Play and all this.
Speaker 2: What is the business of like an independent movie like
Speaker 2: that because I got some ideas.
Speaker 3: Bro, it's a whole lot of money.
Speaker 2: I just wonder because like I've been trying to I've
Speaker 2: been trying to look this my idea. I've I've said
Speaker 2: this on camera. I want to do one of two things.
Speaker 2: Both of them are going to be terrible horror movies.
Speaker 2: You remember the Ring, Yeah, where they climbed through the screen.
Speaker 2: What if there was like a hood version of the Ring,
Speaker 2: but instead of the TV, it was a OnlyFans chick
Speaker 2: climbing through her subscriber's screens and killing them while they're
Speaker 2: jacking off. Tell me that wouldn't be heat for.
Speaker 3: Toby to be where the money at movies?
Speaker 2: Or or there's a prostitute in the city, right, Let's
Speaker 2: say she's on the track. She's just a normal prostitute.
Speaker 2: She fucks around and gets picked up by the wrong
Speaker 2: John who gives her some sort of zombie virus that
Speaker 2: she unknowingly spreads.
Speaker 3: That bit sound like a two B movie exactly.
Speaker 2: So there's this chick who doesn't know she's got the
Speaker 2: zombie virus and she's unknowingly spreading it to all of
Speaker 2: her tricks for like I don't know, Let's say like
Speaker 2: a week and then it turns out like a zombie
Speaker 2: outbreak all across the city.
Speaker 1: I feel like horror films don't really do that good.
Speaker 1: That shit sounded like like Vampire and Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: Great movie. I love that shot, Eddy Murphy.
Speaker 3: I hate horror movies.
Speaker 2: Remember Bones, Jimmy Bones? I hate, Yeah, I hate your
Speaker 2: Bones was fucking terrible. What's your Are you a horror
Speaker 2: movie guy?
Speaker 3: No? I don't really care that shit. Don't be It's
Speaker 3: it's like you notice, you know exactly what's gonna happen,
Speaker 3: and you know, like these folks sit cut, what.
Speaker 2: Are you like fa Like, obviously it's a movie makeup? Well,
Speaker 2: you gotta be a movie guy. What are your favorite
Speaker 2: movies ever?
Speaker 3: Director is Martin Scorsese?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: And then obviously like he ain't got that much work,
Speaker 1: But I fuck with David Chase?
Speaker 3: What did he do with Sopranos?
Speaker 2: Okay? Okay, Well Sopranos just arguably the greatest show of
Speaker 2: all time for sure? Top three for.
Speaker 3: Fucking Boardwalk Empire to the.
Speaker 2: Boardwalk Empire so good. You know what's crazy is like,
Speaker 2: what was his name? Michael? The dude who played up
Speaker 2: from the Wire? Who who who passed away with an overdose.
Speaker 2: He was in h he was in both K Yeah,
Speaker 2: killed it in Boardwalk Empire.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was Chuggy White.
Speaker 2: Oh so good man.
Speaker 5: He was a dog in that bitch fuck with that
Speaker 5: type of ship. I like period period pieces.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Do you ever watch Gangs in New York?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I love that bitch, that classic. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Daniel Lee what's his name, Daniel d Lewis, Daniel day Lewis.
Speaker 2: He might be the best actor, the actor, he might.
Speaker 3: Be there, he had he like, hands down the best
Speaker 3: actor he you ever watch it? There will be blood, yes,
Speaker 3: so good, good dog, bro, there will be best actor.
Speaker 3: If you want to watch, like the best acting that
Speaker 3: at least I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Just watch it. There will be blood.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's not like some like super like, it's it's real,
Speaker 2: like oh yeah, super crazy man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Would you ever run for politics, let's say twenty years
Speaker 2: from now.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense to just get money and
Speaker 1: be quiet and sit still, feed your family and educate
Speaker 1: your kids and the people around, and I show nobody
Speaker 1: your hand, and I let nobody in with what you
Speaker 1: got in your mind.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I think that makes the
Speaker 3: most sense.
Speaker 1: I feel like me running for politics, for any political
Speaker 1: position period, I think it a I don't know.
Speaker 2: Over I mean it can overexposure.
Speaker 3: You leave you vulnerable, leave vulnerable. I got too many flaws.
Speaker 3: My past ain't the best, you know.
Speaker 1: But I do feel like, you know, soon in the
Speaker 1: future that folks past won't matter that much. And when
Speaker 1: I say past, I mean like criminal ship, you know,
Speaker 1: just them type of flaw. It's not like no sick,
Speaker 1: weirdo shit now, but.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah you have a record.
Speaker 1: Yeah I got a record, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I think in a minute that type of ship
Speaker 1: completely won't matter at.
Speaker 3: All for sure. It's already getting to that point, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if Trump wins again as a felon, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, hey man.
Speaker 1: But I got to think about like my family, all
Speaker 1: that type of shit, like.
Speaker 2: Not because I feel like once you get into that place,
Speaker 2: like they're cool if you're an entertainer, you're an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna step into that circus of politics,
Speaker 2: it's devices and it's evil as fuck, and and and
Speaker 2: then and then.
Speaker 3: There ain't a lot of money in it.
Speaker 2: And they use everything against you. I mean, it's that shit,
Speaker 2: is it.
Speaker 1: I think if that, if that part about it was
Speaker 1: a change, I possibly would.
Speaker 3: Loan loan down the line if we can get I
Speaker 3: don't think that's ever gonna change, though, I think it
Speaker 3: got a change. You're right, though, but I think I think,
Speaker 3: I think it's a possibility. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Life thoughts a lot of love.
Speaker 2: I think each side is so invested in being a
Speaker 2: part of a cult. Yeah, with a doubt that freethinkers,
Speaker 2: independent thinkers, nuanced conversations.
Speaker 1: A hard fight though, right, But but free thinking and
Speaker 1: independent thinker, that ship were gonna, it's going.
Speaker 2: We're gonna and like having conversation.
Speaker 3: It's a tough fight.
Speaker 1: Free speech, having your own mindset, having your own opinions,
Speaker 1: being able to disagree with somebody without disrespecting them or
Speaker 1: feeling like you know them.
Speaker 3: That ship got to stop.
Speaker 1: But I think, like I say, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who we do that shit, who say and do
Speaker 1: shit and know they're gonna get a reaction out of people,
Speaker 1: but do that shit just to prove a point, just
Speaker 1: to say, like, listen, I have the right to think,
Speaker 1: to think my own way. I got a right to
Speaker 1: say what I want to feel. And I don't hate anybody.
Speaker 1: I just feel this way. I think. I think that
Speaker 1: we're gonna win, the type of people gonna win.
Speaker 2: What what content you watching on YouTube? You're watching any
Speaker 2: podcasts or anything?
Speaker 3: Nope? I don't no, not.
Speaker 2: Really, nothing like news based like I watch like sometimes
Speaker 2: I watch like like nineteen Kids has a dope interview,
Speaker 2: or Joe Rogan or you know some.
Speaker 3: I watch uh PbD PBDS fire. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what I like about pvdcause even though I
Speaker 2: don't agree with him on everything.
Speaker 3: I don't agree with him on a lot of shit.
Speaker 1: And I feel like them, they like every single chance
Speaker 1: they get, they always gotta bring black people up to
Speaker 1: use an example.
Speaker 3: I don't give.
Speaker 2: All the time.
Speaker 3: I don't give what they're talking about. Bro, the weirdo
Speaker 3: ass nigga.
Speaker 2: Bro to do with the cold hair, the slick back hair, Bro,
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 3: Every single yeah, Bro, it never fit.
Speaker 2: You're not lying.
Speaker 1: Every single time them niggas debating about anything bring up
Speaker 1: black people, and I don't understand that.
Speaker 3: It's like, Bro, we don't do pop. Stick to your lane,
Speaker 3: talk with what.
Speaker 1: Talking about, what you're talking about, and use the examples
Speaker 1: of the people that you're speaking up.
Speaker 3: Stop bringing all the time. Them niggas like they don't
Speaker 3: know nothing about black people. Them niggas only know what
Speaker 3: they hearing music, what they see on TV. Them niggas
Speaker 3: probably really think black people is like all black peoples
Speaker 3: like the wire or some ship. Like it's crazy, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like just they use a lot
Speaker 3: of racist tropes and I don't and I know them boys.
Speaker 3: I know they're not racist. I know that for a fact, but.
Speaker 2: It's very easy to get like, like when you watch
Speaker 2: that show, you'll be like, Okay, I like it when
Speaker 2: that's the only thing that I like. The old man
Speaker 2: with the glasses, I like him because he's kind of
Speaker 2: like on top of the economics ship. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: like PVD.
Speaker 3: Yeah I do too. I think the other dude is
Speaker 3: like just but but PVD he do the ship too, though, Bro.
Speaker 2: No, he does.
Speaker 1: He does every single time. Bro the ship every time
Speaker 1: them nigga's debating about something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the black guy when he interviews ice Cube,
Speaker 2: when he interviews ice Cube, I can't watch it because
Speaker 2: I'm like this I can't watch. I can't watch this
Speaker 2: guy interview ice Cube, you know, I mean I like
Speaker 2: it when he'll interview someone from the left because I
Speaker 2: know it's going to be like, it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For show you should watch, there's a show called Breaking Points.
Speaker 2: It's every day in the morning. Uh, it's a saga
Speaker 2: and Crystal. One guy used to work for Fox News,
Speaker 2: the girl used to work for MSNBC.
Speaker 3: Type of shows with What's great about it is opposing Point.
Speaker 2: They do the news every day and they just do
Speaker 2: the news and it's very very like informative. So whatever
Speaker 2: world like issue you want to figure oute, they're not
Speaker 2: going to give you. Yeah, and and they're very critical
Speaker 2: of their own sides, which is important.
Speaker 3: Would you say you lean more to a conservative mindset.
Speaker 2: I would say, like fiscally, now that I'm making money
Speaker 2: and I understand the way like business works, or is it.
Speaker 1: That you now understand exactly what it is to not
Speaker 1: what it is, but what conservatives really represent.
Speaker 2: I would say I'm on the conservative side fiscally. I
Speaker 2: feel like, obviously when it comes to like a lot
Speaker 2: of the social issues, I feel like we should have
Speaker 2: free health care for sure, you know, and I feel
Speaker 2: like everybody should have equal rights. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's crazy because I grew up being anti war my
Speaker 2: whole life. You know. We used to look at like
Speaker 2: Dick Cheney and George Bush's bad guys. They were starting
Speaker 2: these wars over bullshit. But now, yeah, there's only one
Speaker 2: side really trying to make this. I mean, there's if
Speaker 2: you watch the debate, and I think Trump lost the
Speaker 2: debate hands down. He lost it. She fucked them up.
Speaker 2: But I came out of that debate saying to myself,
Speaker 2: only one of those two people said they wanted to.
Speaker 3: End the wars. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: And I find it interesting though she fucked him up.
Speaker 2: It was, it was ugly, and I just find it
Speaker 2: interesting that like, uh, you know, the uh, the pro
Speaker 2: war Party seems to be the left now, you know,
Speaker 2: and they're signing bombs and ship like Joshapiro, the guy
Speaker 2: who's governor of Pennsylvania, just signed a bunch of missiles
Speaker 2: to send the Ukraine. And I'm like, why are we
Speaker 2: proud that Dick Cheney's endorsing Kamala Harris. That should be
Speaker 2: a bad thing, Like Dick Cheney's a war criminal.
Speaker 5: Hell, the proxy wars very much. The proxy wars Sexpen
Speaker 5: dollars with har money.
Speaker 2: They just signed today, they signed eight billion to Ukraine,
Speaker 2: eight billion more and eight and a half anymore.
Speaker 1: Then you gotta think about the citizens who don't understand
Speaker 1: this type of shit and they don't know no better,
Speaker 1: and they look at somebody like us to be like,
Speaker 1: y'all tweaking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most people don't even understan what the proxy wars.
Speaker 2: It's like, we're literally we are funding and causing two
Speaker 2: wars at the same time. It's insane. Yeah, So, I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like whoever wants to end the wars is
Speaker 2: why I'm I'm like, yo, man, I got a son
Speaker 2: who could get drafted, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: to me, that's my number one priority. I'm also like
Speaker 2: pro choice to a certain extent. I feel like there
Speaker 2: should be like a like a certain like limit before
Speaker 2: you can like say, hey, look like the baby's too
Speaker 2: far along. But I feel like every woman should be
Speaker 2: able to get abortion.
Speaker 1: I think any woman in the world should be able
Speaker 1: to make their own decisions.
Speaker 2: They That's why I like, obviously I disagree with the
Speaker 2: right on that ship, you know what I mean? I think, uh, well.
Speaker 1: The thing is right. Technically, what it is is the
Speaker 1: right they wanted to. They want the state to get it.
Speaker 1: So it's like if the state get a decision, then
Speaker 1: it's up to the voters. So it's like, if the
Speaker 1: state gets something, then the citizens of the state.
Speaker 2: They are them to elect them to vote.
Speaker 3: Where they can. They should do this, revote whether they
Speaker 3: shouldn't do this.
Speaker 1: But I think like Democrats and a lot of people,
Speaker 1: I think they kind of like clouded what that means purposely.
Speaker 1: For sure, it can seem worse than what it is,
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is, don't nobody. Shouldn't nobody be
Speaker 1: making a decision about no woman body, precent of the
Speaker 1: fuck what your religion is or anything that's that one's about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she should do what she want to do, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And if if it's something you personally
Speaker 1: against them, you live like that.
Speaker 2: And to me, just like the hypocrisy, nobody.
Speaker 3: Need to tell no woman what to do with they body,
Speaker 3: flat up.
Speaker 2: I think the hypocrisy of like caring about an unborn
Speaker 2: child but yet not caring about like Palestinian kids, or
Speaker 2: not caring about you know, young black kids who might
Speaker 2: get hit with some bullshit charges. It's like, it's like,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: There's so many young kids getting fucked up with bogus
Speaker 1: charges and dying, and it's just a lot, bro, There's
Speaker 1: it's a lot going on.
Speaker 2: I've been a little disappointed that nobody has challenged Trump
Speaker 2: in any of his interviews when he's because he said
Speaker 2: this at a rally, and I don't understand how nobody
Speaker 2: has challenged him on it. He said he wanted to
Speaker 2: do universal immunity for all police.
Speaker 3: That was wild.
Speaker 2: You heard him say that. He said that, so I'm
Speaker 2: just saying it though he did it, like I think
Speaker 2: he said about four months ago, and since then he's done.
Speaker 2: He sat with the black journalists, right.
Speaker 3: That's because his ass ain't never got put over.
Speaker 2: He well, he's done all these interviews, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: how's no why has nobody asked him about that one point?
Speaker 2: That's a crazy thing to.
Speaker 3: Say, Wow, that's that's motive.
Speaker 2: That's wow, bro, Like that's a that's that's insane. So
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, you know, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: Bro. I'm just you know, ship, have you ever interviewed
Speaker 3: any of them dudes? On PbD. Let me know, I
Speaker 3: want to I got it.
Speaker 1: I'll let you pull up a lot of words for
Speaker 1: they said a lot of shit that just that don't
Speaker 1: make sense. They make sense about a lot of shit,
Speaker 1: but they say a lot of whole shit and they
Speaker 1: don't got the fact them dudes literally speak as if
Speaker 1: they know black people and they no Black culture and
Speaker 1: they don't them niggas is listening to rap music and
Speaker 1: reading the news.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like they like you.
Speaker 2: Just can't listen to Drake Wa.
Speaker 3: You look at the ship that Diddy going through.
Speaker 1: You got like a lot of people speaking as if
Speaker 1: rappers is a monolith.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Were not you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like I rap, I ain't got anyhing, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like like everybody's like when people speak on rapper be
Speaker 5: like yeah, all the rappers, all rappers get high or
Speaker 5: like like what the fuck is you talking about? All
Speaker 5: rappers do every like anything one artists do, they put
Speaker 5: that shit on them.
Speaker 2: And also like the speculative, like anybody who ever went
Speaker 2: to a Diddy party, It's like it's like a lot
Speaker 2: of people went to park but it wasn't what was
Speaker 2: happening at the party at ten and eleven, twelve, one
Speaker 2: to two. It was the ship that was happen at
Speaker 2: five six in the morning. It's like, you can't this guy.
Speaker 2: We celebrated this dude for his parties for so long,
Speaker 2: so a lot of people went. So there're gonna be
Speaker 2: a lot of people with pictures. I have a picture
Speaker 2: with Diddy. I never went to a party, but if
Speaker 2: I got invited, I would have went. Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. At the time, I didn't know what
Speaker 2: the fuck was going on shit, but interesting times that
Speaker 2: d man, you're a new project. We don't know when
Speaker 2: this is gonna come out, and you haven't picked a
Speaker 2: day yet.
Speaker 3: No, I haven't though, but it's coming soon. Atold we
Speaker 3: get ready.
Speaker 2: So get ready for the new project. And I appreciate
Speaker 2: your time.
Speaker 3: Always ve my guy, Yes, sir,