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Speaker 1: viral constantly and is a true People are called influencers, Dreno.
Speaker 1: You actually influence the trajectory of conversations on the Internet.
Speaker 2: So we are honored to have you here. Good to
Speaker 2: see you.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me Buck, And you were someone
Speaker 3: I looked up to when I first started in this
Speaker 3: whole sector. So it's good to be on and honor.
Speaker 1: Oh that's very kind, man. That's like the nicest things.
Speaker 1: It's Valentine's Day. That's like the nicest thing anyone's gonna
Speaker 1: say to me all day. Probably anyway, CIA and foreign
Speaker 1: intelligence agencies, according to The New York Post, illegally targeted
Speaker 1: twenty six Trump associates before the twenty sixteen Russia collusion claims.
Speaker 2: There's a bombshell, tell me what's going on here? Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, Michael Schallenberger is an independent journalists. A lot of
Speaker 3: people may remember him from dropping a lot of the
Speaker 3: Twitter files. He and Matt Taibi and I think it
Speaker 3: was Barry Weiss was the third that Elon kind of
Speaker 3: shoveled that those disclosures too. But he dropped a bombshell
Speaker 3: either yesterday or the day before, and it's actually still
Speaker 3: not done being dropped. He has announced that he's going
Speaker 3: to be disclosing more information later this week, I believe
Speaker 3: today or tomorrow. But as a summary, so a lot
Speaker 3: of people know that Russia cocclusion was a hoax and
Speaker 3: Crossfire Hurricane was the operation to ensnare Trump, and you know,
Speaker 3: Devin Nunez and the House Intel Committee, and they did
Speaker 3: a lot of digging and they kind of uncovered that
Speaker 3: this was actually a DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign funded
Speaker 3: Steele dossier used to frame Trump and provide enough justification
Speaker 3: for the FBI to get FISA spy warrants and spy
Speaker 3: on the sitting president of the United States. And what
Speaker 3: this Schellenberger bombshell has disclosed is this wasn't just an
Speaker 3: operation started in July or August of twenty sixteen. This
Speaker 3: actually went a year and a half before the election.
Speaker 3: The CIA has been exposed as working with foreign the
Speaker 3: Five Eyes surveillance spy network the UK, New Zealand, Australia, Canada,
Speaker 3: and one other one Italy I think, and it's US
Speaker 3: And they used their colleagues in that network and said, hey,
Speaker 3: can you spy domestically in the US. We're not allowed to.
Speaker 3: Can you spy on these twenty six individuals in the
Speaker 3: Trump campaign?
Speaker 1: So as you know, and people always ask me why,
Speaker 1: just to clear the air. I joined the CIA directly
Speaker 1: out of college to help find bin Laden and help
Speaker 1: our guys kill him.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 1: After nine to eleven, I'm like, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: help right. I left right when Obama comes into office
Speaker 1: because I could feel the politican and this is the truth,
Speaker 1: and people in the agency then would back me up
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 2: Who knew me.
Speaker 1: I felt the politicization good war, bad war, rock Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, broc is announcing the withdrawal when
Speaker 1: he's announcing the search. The whole thing was a mess
Speaker 1: and also the real ideologues, the deep state entities. When
Speaker 1: Obama came into office, obviously felt really embold and powerful.
Speaker 1: So I left. I bring it up though, because obviously
Speaker 1: I know how the agency is supposed to function, what
Speaker 1: the rules of the road are. This is from this
Speaker 1: New York Post piece which is quoting, as you pointed out,
Speaker 1: tyeeb Guten and Alex gutin Togg, and it says former
Speaker 1: CI director Brennan identified and presented the targets to the
Speaker 1: US intelligence sharing partners in the soul called Five Eyes agencies,
Speaker 1: which is the US, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
Speaker 1: That's a special intelli and sharing relationship that does exist.
Speaker 1: This is a real thing. And this is in the
Speaker 1: sub stack that was published by Michael Schellenberger. So what
Speaker 1: this would be, Dreno would be a CIA director going
Speaker 1: to truly our closest allies. Right, the Five Eyes exist
Speaker 1: because we trust those countries more than any other countries
Speaker 1: in the world. That's why they're the Five Eyes, right.
Speaker 1: They're sort of the you know of British parentage, English
Speaker 1: speaking nations and the fact that that might have been
Speaker 1: used as a backdoor way to spy on Trump associates.
Speaker 1: Is this is new in the world of Russia collusion,
Speaker 1: which was already bad enough, and this just goes to show,
Speaker 1: I think, how there's no limit to how dirty the
Speaker 1: tricks are the Democrats will play.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is astonishing stuff.
Speaker 3: It gets worse somehow. So you know, as a little
Speaker 3: bit of context, I mistakenly added Italy to the Five
Speaker 3: Eyes network. They are allies, but it is those for
Speaker 3: other countries you listed, those are all actually under the
Speaker 3: UK Commonwealth, right, So Canada, Australia, New Zealand, those are
Speaker 3: all Commonwealth you know, almost subsidiary states of the United
Speaker 3: Kingdom and of the King of England. So there is
Speaker 3: a little bit of a historical context here that the
Speaker 3: King of England and the Queen at the time is
Speaker 3: potentially involved in spying on US president. But it gets
Speaker 3: worse because you know, you could say that this is treason, right,
Speaker 3: this is treason. And part of the issue is Trump
Speaker 3: knew about this towards the end, and he did classified
Speaker 3: a lot of these documents, and these are the Crossfire
Speaker 3: Hurricane documents. He did classify them. There are public articles
Speaker 3: about this, and one of the issues is the intelligence
Speaker 3: community does not know where these documents are. And I
Speaker 3: have posited the theory and I believe this is very
Speaker 3: true that the FBI rated Mara a Lago, not because
Speaker 3: Trump didn't cross his t's and dot his eyes with
Speaker 3: submitting classified documents to the National Archives. If that were
Speaker 3: the case, Joe Biden, Mike Pence, they would have probably
Speaker 3: all been charged. They weren't for the same type of offense.
Speaker 3: Trump is actually different because he actually had declassification authority
Speaker 3: as the president. He is the only person that has
Speaker 3: full declassification history of it, and there's also presumption of
Speaker 3: declassification if he has documents and takes him out of
Speaker 3: it classified.
Speaker 1: We used to talk about this in the agency Rogan
Speaker 1: if a president started talking about something at a press
Speaker 1: conference that was classified, we called it real time declassification.
Speaker 1: Now people can say, oh, well, that's not technically how
Speaker 1: it's supposed to work. It's the president's information. But what
Speaker 1: oversight process If the president wants to talk to the
Speaker 1: press about something, the president can talk to the press about,
Speaker 1: like just to give people a sense of the authority
Speaker 1: that the chief of the executive branch has, it is
Speaker 1: effectively executive branch information and the president is the top
Speaker 1: of that chain of command, right, And.
Speaker 3: The president doesn't work for the CIA or the FBI.
Speaker 3: It's it's the reverse, right, And we're supposed to supposed
Speaker 3: to be But yeah, we've lost touch with that chain
Speaker 3: of command in recent decades. But I believe that this
Speaker 3: is why they stormed mar Lago with the FBI, this
Speaker 3: is why they went through Milania's closet. They're looking for
Speaker 3: this binder, so Schellenberger has disclosed it. It's about a
Speaker 3: ten inch thick binder. And when you have government officials
Speaker 3: partnering with foreign adversaries, not adversaries, foreign allies, but foreign
Speaker 3: countries nonetheless to subvert the governance of the United States,
Speaker 3: that's treason by definition. And I believe that this is
Speaker 3: why they are going all out to stop President Trump
Speaker 3: from getting back into the White House, because if he
Speaker 3: does with these documents, they know it's all over and
Speaker 3: there's going to be a deep clean. Now, obviously, we
Speaker 3: wish Trump would have done this in the first term.
Speaker 3: We wish you would have drained the swant, We wish
Speaker 3: you would have fired a lot of people. But it's
Speaker 3: not that easy. But I do believe. That's why these
Speaker 3: people are freaking out. That's why he's been indicted four times,
Speaker 3: That's why he's got lawsuits coming from every blue state
Speaker 3: you can think of. That's why they're trying to remove
Speaker 3: him from the ballot. And yeah, we're starting to learn
Speaker 3: the real reasons why. And I think it's because a
Speaker 3: lot of the people at the senior levels of the CIA,
Speaker 3: people like you and others you know, who join to
Speaker 3: fight for our country. I think it's an honorable thing.
Speaker 3: But it's the very senior levels where the deepest corruption
Speaker 3: is because the CIA is very compartmentalized. You could probably
Speaker 3: talk more about this. It's not like, you know, say
Speaker 3: there's ten thousand plays, not like they all know what's
Speaker 3: going on to CIA at all times. It's a need
Speaker 3: to know there's only two.
Speaker 1: That would be a huge shot, That would be a
Speaker 1: huge security vulnerability in and of itself. I mean there
Speaker 1: is there are actual rules, there are laws that separate
Speaker 1: eyes out what different parts of the agency are doing. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's need to no compartment compartmentalization, which is critical to
Speaker 1: keeping secrets secure. And you know, depending on the issue
Speaker 1: you work, you may have you know, I had no
Speaker 1: idea what was going on with like Asia desk, for example,
Speaker 1: no idea because I was I was working Middle East.
Speaker 1: It's very different. And that's that's all to the good,
Speaker 1: right So when I anyway, Yeah, but what you said,
Speaker 1: that's really what you said. That's really a bombshell though.
Speaker 1: I think is you this is your analysis. Your assessment
Speaker 1: is that they were looking at Marlago for some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that Trump took that could go to the
Speaker 1: pre Russia collusion. As we know, it's spying ordered by
Speaker 1: Brennan through the Five Eyes, right, that's you think that
Speaker 1: could be what's at issue here.
Speaker 3: I do believe that is the core underlying issue. And
Speaker 3: we've already learned that Obama, Joe, Biden, Brennan, they all
Speaker 3: were meeting in December January to kind of launch this
Speaker 3: next phase of the spying operation. And you know, in
Speaker 3: the best case scenario, maybe they did genuinely believe there
Speaker 3: was some Russia collusion between Trump and they were originally looking,
Speaker 3: but when they didn't find anything, they actually had to
Speaker 3: plant it, right, and that's where the Steel DOSSI. They
Speaker 3: got desperate. They couldn't actually find anything that tied the
Speaker 3: Trump campaign to rush because why would that happen? Why
Speaker 3: why would Trump?
Speaker 2: Trump?
Speaker 3: Putin invaded Crimea under Obama and he invaded the don
Speaker 3: Bass under Biden under four years of Trump. If they
Speaker 3: were such buddy buddy, why didn't he take Ukraine? Trump
Speaker 3: would have led him if he was. It's all a farce.
Speaker 1: It makes it makes no sense.
Speaker 3: Makes Trump was actually very tough against Putin. And you
Speaker 3: know we can get into NATO.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no.
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Speaker 1: some of these really malignant forces operating within the federal government.
Speaker 3: Well, I think at the very least the Overton window
Speaker 3: has shifted, and I think a lot of credit can
Speaker 3: be given to Vivek on that one. He has really
Speaker 3: brought into the mainstream narrative. You know, firing seventy five
Speaker 3: percent of all bureaucrats regardless, you know, just a social
Speaker 3: Security number at lottery. If your number ends in an
Speaker 3: even number, you're gone. I said eighty five percent. But
Speaker 3: you know, we can figure out the details later. But
Speaker 3: Trump actually was pushing an executive where it's called schedule F,
Speaker 3: and that was Schedule F of an obscure US Code.
Speaker 3: But basically a lot a lot of civil servants are
Speaker 3: considered non political appointees and they have a lot of protections.
Speaker 3: If you are a political appointee, say like an under
Speaker 3: secretary of Defense or something, and you're appointed by the president,
Speaker 3: not necessarily confirmed by the Senate. Trump, you work at
Speaker 3: the will of the president. Trump can just fire you,
Speaker 3: you know, or whoever the sitting president is. With a
Speaker 3: lot of the civil servants, you can't schedule F under
Speaker 3: this executive order that Trump was apparently close to finalizing,
Speaker 3: it was going to be a second term thing, would
Speaker 3: reclassify many civil servants into political appointees and whether this
Speaker 3: would get hung up in court. I'm sure they would
Speaker 3: sue in a Hawaiian federal district with the most liberal
Speaker 3: judge you've ever heard of, and that may hamstring it.
Speaker 3: But eventually once this gets to the Supreme Court, Listen,
Speaker 3: we have to re establish, like we talked about earlier,
Speaker 3: chain A command people in the executive work for the president. Now,
Speaker 3: do we want to have a complete upheaval every four
Speaker 3: to eight years of all personnel in the federal government.
Speaker 3: Not necessarily, but we do need a deep clean in
Speaker 3: this bureaucracy. I think that's beyond clear at this point,
Speaker 3: especially in the DOJ, FBI, CIA and others. So does
Speaker 3: he have the actual authority in multiple different ways, Yes
Speaker 3: he does. Is there the political will to do this?
Speaker 3: That's to be determined, but I am optimistic.
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Speaker 1: You and I both very much want to see a
Speaker 1: Republican victory that constitutes a mandate coming up this fall
Speaker 1: for Donald Trump and for Republicans in the House, in
Speaker 1: the Senate. What is the one thing that you are
Speaker 1: if you had to pick one area where you would
Speaker 1: want the most additional focus right now to get us
Speaker 1: to that point, whether it's a policy issue or just
Speaker 1: a voting machinery issue.
Speaker 2: What are you really dialed in on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think ballot harvesting. We need a massive infrastructure
Speaker 3: to have a more equal playing field in that realm.
Speaker 3: I do not like ballot hard I wish we could
Speaker 3: abolish it at the federal level, nationwide mail, mass mail
Speaker 3: in ballots, print at home ballots like they do in
Speaker 3: the entire state of California. We need to get rid
Speaker 3: of all of that. But until we have the power
Speaker 3: to actually do that, we do need to fight in
Speaker 3: the battlefield in which we are presented, and so that
Speaker 3: is a major issue. I do like what Turning Point
Speaker 3: Action has been doing to organize that, and I'm glad
Speaker 3: that this GOP primary is switching gears. We're getting rid
Speaker 3: of Ron McDaniel soon, and I hope that the next
Speaker 3: person coming in really focuses on election you know, ballot
Speaker 3: harvesting and other types of election lawsuits, because the Left
Speaker 3: is very good at that law fare. We are getting better.
Speaker 3: I do believe that what happened in Virginia with Governor
Speaker 3: Younkin's race, where we had a lot of lawyers on
Speaker 3: the ground and we had injunctions and court filings to
Speaker 3: stop the fraud, and we squeaked out a victory nationwide,
Speaker 3: statewide at their three offices, so governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general.
Speaker 3: So I think that's the formula for success. But I
Speaker 3: also think we do need to address the pro life
Speaker 3: debate and how to best frame that for people, because
Speaker 3: it's an energizing issue for Democrats and in an economy
Speaker 3: that has massive inflation, and with our open border crisis,
Speaker 3: we should have this, you know, lockstock and barrel. But
Speaker 3: this abortion issue is driving young Democrats especially to the polls,
Speaker 3: and we have to come up with better messaging.
Speaker 1: Just one more for you, for all the DC DRENO
Speaker 1: fans out there, Why is the right? And you're somebody
Speaker 1: I think that is as associated with this advantage as
Speaker 1: anybody out there. Why is the right better at memes
Speaker 1: than these Democrat communists? Like, our memes are just better.
Speaker 3: It's I think it's the same reason that our jokes
Speaker 3: are better. There's an element of truth in it, right,
Speaker 3: And so you look at these late night comedy shows
Speaker 3: and they've just become political rallies. They aren't funny anymore
Speaker 3: because they can't make jokes when when you are actually
Speaker 3: the authoritarians when you actually have the losing argument, when
Speaker 3: when everything you accuse the Republicans of doing is actually you.
Speaker 3: People know that, and with memes, you know it has
Speaker 3: to have an underlying truth to it. Otherwise you're just
Speaker 3: kind of saying something you are angry about, right, And
Speaker 3: that's that's not that's not a good joke, that's not
Speaker 3: a good message. So as as Miley Andopolis used to say,
Speaker 3: no one can resist the truth wrapped in a good joke.
Speaker 3: We we are the ones able to have some humor
Speaker 3: in this lately, we aren't the ones just kind of
Speaker 3: foaming at the mouth. And and that's that's why memes work.
Speaker 3: And frankly, I don't know, maybe we're just a little
Speaker 3: bit smarter than the left too.
Speaker 1: I like it all. Do you see Draino? Everybody my friend.
Speaker 1: Good to see you, Dreno, thanks for being here. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3: Great to see it, Buck, thank you,