Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Right in the Great Episode four twenty four.
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Speaker 1: on the eve of the eve of the eve of
Speaker 1: super Bowl, and big update in my world. I find
Speaker 1: out from your baby's sister. Yes, there's not a baby anymore.
Speaker 1: She's twelve. Yesterday she's like, so, when do you think
Speaker 1: we're getting to Nana's. And I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: She was like, Oh, I thought every I thought we
Speaker 1: everybody knew we're watching the super Bowl at Nana's.
Speaker 2: I take it you will, well no, I I oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know, and I do know.
Speaker 1: And this is, you know, this air little family laundry here.
Speaker 1: I think the assumption was, well, the Chiefs aren't playing,
Speaker 1: so it will be a little more relaxed, which may
Speaker 1: or may not be true. And I obviously love my
Speaker 1: mom and love my wonderful sister and her family and
Speaker 1: her kids. But watching the Super Bowl in the midst
Speaker 1: of young children running around and that and and that
Speaker 1: atmosphere does not seem like peak viewing experience. And so
Speaker 1: I don't know. I said to your mom. I was like,
Speaker 1: what what's going on with you know?
Speaker 2: My mom?
Speaker 1: And Super Bowl? She's like and your Mom's like, that's
Speaker 1: your mom talk to you? You talked to I said,
Speaker 1: it was fine, you talked to her.
Speaker 2: So I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what's going on. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: do know that I there's all I it's just not
Speaker 1: it's a little little wrench in the gears that I
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily expect as we get ready for what should
Speaker 1: be an awesome game. And we're gonna get to that
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Speaker 2: So the super Bowl is a few days ago, a
Speaker 2: few days away, and we'll eventually get to your picks.
Speaker 2: But first off, we've got some questions for you, one
Speaker 2: at a time. And the first one is is what
Speaker 2: is the path to victory for each of these teams?
Speaker 1: Okay for Seattle, for both teams, I think it's actually
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward. And this isn't the only path obviously, but
Speaker 1: the simplest path for Seattle is that they are able
Speaker 1: to with their outstanding defensive line, hurry Drake may a
Speaker 1: bit get the Patriots into some third and long must
Speaker 1: pass situations where the paths were outstanding the the first
Speaker 1: two months of the year and have been a little
Speaker 1: shakier since then. Let tank Lawrence Tee off on Will Campbell,
Speaker 1: not let the Patriots stay ahead of the sticks with
Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson, because as the Seahawks have been an elite
Speaker 1: run defense this year, and trust their great secondary and
Speaker 1: great scheme with Mike McDonald to fool a young, an
Speaker 1: excellent but a young quarterback in Drake, may put him,
Speaker 1: make him look the way he's looked a lot of
Speaker 1: this postseason so far, and be able to play somewhat
Speaker 1: on their script, hold the Patriots offense down and really
Speaker 1: see put the Pats in the by kind of man
Speaker 1: we need to be throwing and we need to not
Speaker 1: We need to have as many receivers and pass catchers
Speaker 1: out in the route as possible, which means we can't
Speaker 1: help our offensive line, we can't max protect, we can't
Speaker 1: keep people into Chip and Seattle Tea's off on Drake May.
Speaker 1: Who And I just want to because this has become
Speaker 1: quite the argument on the TV show and I don't
Speaker 1: understand why, and I just want to emphasize the following
Speaker 1: facts related to Drake May's struggles this postseason. In the
Speaker 1: last thirty years, the second biggest drop off from regular
Speaker 1: season passer rating to postseason passer rating in the last
Speaker 1: thirty years is Drake May these playoffs. In NFL history,
Speaker 1: the biggest drop off from regular season completion percentage to
Speaker 1: postseason completion percentage is Drake May these playoffs. Drake May
Speaker 1: in seventeen regular season games turned the ball over eleven
Speaker 1: times total. In three playoff games has turned the ball
Speaker 1: over five times total. Drake May in seventeen regular season
Speaker 1: games had eight fumbles, not lost, just total fumbles. Drake
Speaker 1: May in three playoff games has six fumbles. Now those
Speaker 1: regular season of postseason drop offs, some of that is
Speaker 1: a testament to how exceptional he was in the regular season.
Speaker 1: There is no doubt about that. But a guy who
Speaker 1: led the league in passer rating falling to what would
Speaker 1: an eighty five rating is stunning. A guy who led
Speaker 1: the league and he might have been second and pass rating,
Speaker 1: a guy who led the league in completion percentage falling
Speaker 1: to a completion percentage demons that is lower than Shador
Speaker 1: Sanders this season is stunning. It's fifty five percent. They've
Speaker 1: played great defenses, he has made some excellent plays, and
Speaker 1: he's been very good with his legs when he hasn't
Speaker 1: fumbled and hasn't been sacked. But when I get to
Speaker 1: the Patriots say of it, the biggest key is gonna
Speaker 1: be Drake May looking like Drake May, because he hasn't
Speaker 1: yet this postseason. And the question for Seattle is can
Speaker 1: they continue that trend? Can they keep Drake May struggling?
Speaker 1: Because folks are correct that the Patriots have played a
Speaker 1: murderer's row of defenses, But the end of that sentence
Speaker 1: is and their quarterback has looked like it has looked
Speaker 1: like he has played a murderer's row of defenses. And
Speaker 1: Seattle is either the best or the second best defense
Speaker 1: they will have faced all year. It's them or Houston,
Speaker 1: depending on who you prefer, and so it is not
Speaker 1: unfair or nitpicking to say up to this point in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, the Patriots have been winning in spite of
Speaker 1: quarterback play, which is in some ways a reason to
Speaker 1: be very optimistic about their chances in this game because
Speaker 1: they've gotten to the super Bowl without Drake playing well.
Speaker 1: But I think Seattle can present some really big troubles.
Speaker 1: Seattle since Mike McDonald got there is fifteen and two
Speaker 1: away from home, which is unreal. Seattle with Mike McDonald
Speaker 1: facing young quarterbacks is nine and one in the last
Speaker 1: four years. Quarterbacks the first time they face Mike McDonald's
Speaker 1: defense have struggled massively. So those are all things that
Speaker 1: I think Seattle is positioned well for. And I think
Speaker 1: that that Seattle defense. The only guy all year long
Speaker 1: demands who has been able to, oh, we're in a
Speaker 1: must pass situation, watch me rip it is Stafford. He's
Speaker 1: the only one. And now they Baker had an awesome
Speaker 1: game against him too, but they weren't down multiple scores
Speaker 1: where like we must pass situation. It's not to say
Speaker 1: Drake may can't do it, but they have been the
Speaker 1: league's best defense by most metrics throughout the year. So
Speaker 1: the Seahawks path is simple, that d line be what
Speaker 1: it's been all year, and that secondary be what it's
Speaker 1: been all year, and not put the game on Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold's shoulders. Okay, the Patriots path is simple as well.
Speaker 1: Drake May. Don't be afraid to run the ball. The
Speaker 1: one place Seattle's defense struggles is quarterback scrambles. Drake May
Speaker 1: has been excellent at it. Don't be afraid to tuck
Speaker 1: it and run, stay ahead of the chains. Make it
Speaker 1: so Seattle can't sell out against the pass and put
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold in a spot where the pressure ratchets up
Speaker 1: even further. Because the Patriots as good as Seattle, as
Speaker 1: well as Seattle has coached, the Patriots will not be
Speaker 1: out coached in this game. As buttoned up as Seattle is,
Speaker 1: verbel and is going to get every game management decision right.
Speaker 1: And Josh McDaniels will have his guys as prepared as
Speaker 1: can be. And I am looking closely at Nick emon Worri.
Speaker 1: They're awesome rookie safety who Mike McDonald that was his
Speaker 1: one of his you know, his second first round pick
Speaker 1: with the Seahawks in who they took to play kind
Speaker 1: of that Kyle Hamilton role that he played with Baltimore.
Speaker 1: He hurt his ankle in practice yesterday and the video
Speaker 1: of him walking into the team hotel is. What's good
Speaker 1: is it's no crutches, no boot, no nothing like that.
Speaker 1: What's bad is, uh, he's limping badly and he's a
Speaker 1: key piece. And we know Drake May has excellence in him,
Speaker 1: we just and we also know that, unlike other quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: Drake May can be having a miserable game and still
Speaker 1: make awesome plays. That Houston game he fumbled four times,
Speaker 1: and in the midst of that through some of his
Speaker 1: best passes of the season. So I don't think the
Speaker 1: Patriots can come from behind in this game. Like I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about seven nothing, but I think that they
Speaker 1: can't be behind the sticks and they can't be behind
Speaker 1: the scoreboard. But if it's close late, I think it
Speaker 1: favors New England. But I also think Seattle's the team
Speaker 1: more likely. If you're like one of these two teams
Speaker 1: is gonna have a ten point lead going into the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, my money in that situation would be on Seattle.
Speaker 1: What are your other questions on this Who.
Speaker 2: Do you believe has the most to lose and the
Speaker 2: most to gain.
Speaker 1: I don't really look at this as a spot where
Speaker 1: anybody has a ton to lose, Like Seattle's the favorite,
Speaker 1: but there's nobody would look at this like it's a
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: You don't think it's seen in Seattle having more to lose,
Speaker 2: just how everybody probably expects them to win the game.
Speaker 1: Well, so listen, they are the favorite, and it does
Speaker 1: seem like a disc for only being a four and
Speaker 1: a half point favorite. They have a disproportionate amount of
Speaker 1: people picking them right. But I don't think if they lose,
Speaker 1: people will be like they choked. So like I But
Speaker 1: as far as most to gain, it is and this
Speaker 1: is cliche, I guess, but it's obvious it's the coaches
Speaker 1: and the quarterbacks. Like Vrabel winning a Super Bowl. He
Speaker 1: got to an AFC Championship game with Ryan Tannehill and
Speaker 1: the Titans, he got the number one seed a different
Speaker 1: year with Ryan Tannehill and the Titans, and his first
Speaker 1: year with the Patriots to come in and take over
Speaker 1: a four win team and win the Super Bowl. Some
Speaker 1: people would say he's just the best coach in the league,
Speaker 1: and he's already considered one of the best, so for
Speaker 1: Vrabel it would be a pretty remarkable short coaching resume.
Speaker 1: McDonald second year as a head coach, his final year
Speaker 1: as coordinator in Baltimore, they win the defensive Triple Crown.
Speaker 1: They're the one seed. Even in the playoff game they lost,
Speaker 1: they only allowed seventeen points to the Chiefs. Takes over Seattle,
Speaker 1: instantly transforms the defense. They win ten games last year
Speaker 1: and missed the playoffs despite that, and this your number
Speaker 1: one seed with a brutal schedule, and then win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I don't even know what the you know,
Speaker 1: young coach comp is there. And then for the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: if the Patriots win Demons and Drake May plays well,
Speaker 1: then absolutely no one will care that he has struggled
Speaker 1: in the three playoff games beforehand, and you will have
Speaker 1: people understandably arguing he's the best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1: Like that's if in year two you either and we're
Speaker 1: gonna find out tonight if he wins MVP or comes
Speaker 1: in second. But if in year two you're a top
Speaker 1: two MVP finisher and then you win the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and you play well in the Super Bowl, folks are
Speaker 1: just gonna argue, you're the best quarterback in the league,
Speaker 1: and that's fair like the I, except he didn't win it.
Speaker 1: He lost in the Super Bowl. He won MVP and
Speaker 1: uh lost in the Super Bowl in year two and
Speaker 1: then never got back to a super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And and for Darnald, he's just it's the greatest quarterback
Speaker 1: reclamation story in league history. It might already be that,
Speaker 1: but if he wins.
Speaker 2: Then, especially getting shipped off to another team and like
Speaker 2: you know, back to back and then getting all those wins,
Speaker 2: winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is Jets, this is his fifteen
Speaker 1: am I leaving one out Jets, Panthers, Niners, Vikings, Seahawks
Speaker 1: and so. But to your point, he goes to Minnesota
Speaker 1: a year ago is not you know, he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be compete with JJ McCarthy to be the starter. McCarthy
Speaker 1: gets hurt. They win fourteen games, they're playing for the
Speaker 1: one seed the final week of the year. He plays poorly,
Speaker 1: plays poorly in the playoff game. They don't really believe
Speaker 1: in him. Seattle then signs him. I call it a
Speaker 1: huge mistake. I say they got worse going from Gino
Speaker 1: to McDonald. Yeah, and they win fourteen games, they are
Speaker 1: the one seed win the Super Bowl. And so those
Speaker 1: are the guys who have the most on the line.
Speaker 2: What else, what is the most important matchup in this game?
Speaker 1: Will Campbell against DeMarcus Lawrence or whomever's lined up against him.
Speaker 1: Patriots rookie left tackle Will Campbell, who has struggled mightily
Speaker 1: this postseason, has given up a pressure rate of I
Speaker 1: think above fifteen percent in every game he's played, gave
Speaker 1: up a bunch of sacks first two games, didn't give
Speaker 1: up a sack in the conference championship game, but PFF
Speaker 1: still had engraded as a poor performance. That's where the
Speaker 1: game can be lost is Will Campbell. That is with
Speaker 1: and DeMarcus Lawrence. That was a hell of a signing
Speaker 1: by the Seahawks, who I think a lot of us thought, listen,
Speaker 1: this guy was a really good player. But he's a
Speaker 1: thirty three year old edge rusher coming off an injury
Speaker 1: riddled final year with Dallas and he comes to Seattle
Speaker 1: and makes the Pro Bowl. Is not an All Pro,
Speaker 1: but probably the you know, one of the most impactful
Speaker 1: guys on their d line and the veteran leader there.
Speaker 1: And I just wonder if he and Leonard Williams and
Speaker 1: the rest of that D line can put Drake May
Speaker 1: in hell throughout this game, which kind of leads to
Speaker 1: my actual prediction.
Speaker 2: So go ahead, and what is your final prediction on
Speaker 2: the game?
Speaker 1: Twenty seven to seventeen Seattle is how I see this
Speaker 1: shaking out. I think that both quarterbacks have one turnover,
Speaker 1: at least one turnover. But I think Drake, who is
Speaker 1: flirting with the Joe Burrow record of nineteen sacks taken
Speaker 1: in a postseason, he's at fifteen. He's taken five in
Speaker 1: every game that May is under constant duress that Stefan
Speaker 1: Diggs is not able to get off, that they find
Speaker 1: enough ways to get Jackson Smith and Jig but lined
Speaker 1: up in different spots to where he can get going.
Speaker 1: And there is a major Seattle defensive play, whether to
Speaker 1: stripsack or a tipped pass pick, a major Seattle defensive
Speaker 1: play that is caused by pressure on the quarterback that
Speaker 1: gets this game going in the in a bad direction
Speaker 1: for Seattle. So I will swallow the four and a
Speaker 1: half points and Seattle twenty seven New England seventeen is
Speaker 1: my official pick, all right, So that.
Speaker 2: Is gonna be weird for you without the Chiefs not
Speaker 2: peening in the Super Bowl this year. It is.
Speaker 1: I mean, so they've played in five of the last six.
Speaker 1: The one they didn't play in was Rams Bengals, and
Speaker 1: my only I have such vivid memories from the and
Speaker 1: I want to find it. I have such vivid memories
Speaker 1: from all of the Chief Super Bowls and Rams Bengals
Speaker 1: is a bit of a blur, and I'm trying except
Speaker 1: for let me see if I can find it. Oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: there it is, okay, lose. No, they lost in overtime
Speaker 1: of the AFC Championship game. Uh. And I had the
Speaker 1: only thing I really remember vividly about that game, having
Speaker 1: two bets related to Bengal sacks or Ram sacks on
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. One was a big plus money bet on
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald over a sack and a half, and at
Speaker 1: halftime he had zero, and then the second drive of
Speaker 1: the second half he got one. I think it was
Speaker 1: this part. I might I say I remember it vividly,
Speaker 1: but I might have it wrong, so maybe I don't
Speaker 1: remember it vividly. One of those sacks where the quarterback
Speaker 1: like goes down right at the line of scrimmage. But
Speaker 1: they call it right behind, so he got a sack
Speaker 1: for it, and and the four plays later got another
Speaker 1: one and hit that, you know it within five minutes
Speaker 1: after it looking like we were in trouble, and I
Speaker 1: had I had another. Well, he ced the game on
Speaker 1: a pressure, but that wasn't a sack. I had another.
Speaker 1: I basically bet I laddered the sacks in that game,
Speaker 1: which was rams to have at least three and a half,
Speaker 1: four and a half, five and a half and six
Speaker 1: and a half sacks, and they they got von Miller.
Speaker 1: I think was that the last one. Von Miller got
Speaker 1: sack number seven on a play where there was a penalty,
Speaker 1: but it was a penalty on the Bengals, so the
Speaker 1: sacks stood and I hit all those bets, but I
Speaker 1: don't really I know that late the game obviously there
Speaker 1: was a really ticky tac defensive holding penalty. You know,
Speaker 1: I remember the game, but it is it's insane. The
Speaker 1: Chiefs have played in five of the last six. But
Speaker 1: it also will make the viewing experience very, very different.
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Speaker 1: All Right, Demons, I kind of already addressed the Drake
Speaker 1: May stuff, So let's get to some of the pre
Speaker 1: playoff narratives here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before the playoffs, you listed out your top five
Speaker 2: storylines of the postseason, and they were, is this Josh
Speaker 2: Allen's year to break through? What if Rogers goes on
Speaker 2: a run? What if the Eagles repeat? Which second year
Speaker 2: quarterback goes on a run? Which NFC West team will
Speaker 2: you think looked like they did in the regular season?
Speaker 2: How do you think you did so far with them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So listen, I mean the I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I think these were the storylines going in and if
Speaker 1: we address them all one by one, like is this
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's year breakthrough? That? That was the question because
Speaker 1: since they didn't, they fired the coach. I mean, was
Speaker 1: was I putting too much emphasis on this postseason for them? No?
Speaker 1: I wasn't, and we haven't on this show. Talked about
Speaker 1: the Josh Allen interview right he was on the TV
Speaker 1: show Tuesday after our.
Speaker 2: Pod was broken up about McDermott leaven the.
Speaker 1: No what I'm saying, I'm no the interview he did
Speaker 1: on First Things First and so the So I just
Speaker 1: want to say something about our spot there because I
Speaker 1: tweeted this, but I just want to spend a little
Speaker 1: more time on it. I thought it was so telling
Speaker 1: that he agreed to go on the show. So the
Speaker 1: way you know these radio row week of interviews work
Speaker 1: is you sign up with a sponsor. The sponsor, you know,
Speaker 1: books you on a bunch of shows and then you
Speaker 1: kind of rinse and repeat throughout. But when you're a
Speaker 1: guy like Josh Allen, every single show in the country
Speaker 1: wants you, so there's gonna be more requests than actual availability,
Speaker 1: and so you can pick and choose. So it would
Speaker 1: have been super easy for him to be like that
Speaker 1: guy has been giving me a hard time for years.
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I'm not interested. And so not
Speaker 1: only did he come on the show, but how good
Speaker 1: natured he was and how self assured he was I
Speaker 1: think is not only a testament to off the field
Speaker 1: the person he is, but I truly believe there is
Speaker 1: an impact on his ability to win a championship in
Speaker 1: a positive way that we saw in those fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: we spent with him. And here's what I mean. I
Speaker 1: I have always believed that there are some guys that,
Speaker 1: just since they were little kids, get a little tight
Speaker 1: in big spots, that when they're in the backyard playing bags,
Speaker 1: if it's the game winning point, they are gonna have
Speaker 1: their worst shot of the night. And there are some
Speaker 1: folks on the opposite end of that spectrum that just
Speaker 1: always have been they are at you know, gamers, they
Speaker 1: are at their best in the biggest moments. But most
Speaker 1: people are circumstantial in that regard. Where success begets confidence,
Speaker 1: which begets more success, and early failings begets lack of confidence,
Speaker 1: self doubt, which leads to more of that. And the
Speaker 1: example I've you know, I've used in the past is
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I always felt Kobe, even though
Speaker 1: he was not when you look at the numbers, like
Speaker 1: very efficient on these shots, was never afraid to take
Speaker 1: the game winning shot. Was because he never once got
Speaker 1: nailed with that guy can't win because he won as
Speaker 1: a kid alongside check when the now by their second championship,
Speaker 1: Kobe was a huge part of it. But that first championship,
Speaker 1: Kobe was a role player. But then he was a
Speaker 1: champion and nobody could ever hang it against him. And
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I felt Peyton always struggled was
Speaker 1: because he struggled early. It became a narrative and it
Speaker 1: seemed like he got in his own head all believe
Speaker 1: you know forever that if some if, if Lebron had
Speaker 1: somehow been if they had won the title when he
Speaker 1: was a kid in twenty two in the seven finals,
Speaker 1: there's no chance he has this series against Dallas, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't yet a champion, he had left his team.
Speaker 1: There was all that on him. And then you saw
Speaker 1: it for Lebron, this playout in real time. He had
Speaker 1: that series against Dallas and then they win the title
Speaker 1: the next year, and from that moment forward, by any imaginable.
Speaker 1: He had the greatest ten year run of clutch play
Speaker 1: in the history of the league. Like it. The success
Speaker 1: there beget other success. So the reason I say all
Speaker 1: that is this, there is so much noise now and
Speaker 1: such a long year by year history of Josh coming
Speaker 1: up just short in these spots that if he didn't
Speaker 1: have that confidence, self assuredness and disposition, I think it
Speaker 1: could drown him. But he has it, and I think
Speaker 1: that his ability to say I wasn't good enough, I
Speaker 1: didn't come through, but I know I will in the
Speaker 1: future is really really positive for the Bills. And so
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's a little sidebar, but that was
Speaker 1: one of the obvious pre playoff narratives. The what if
Speaker 1: Rogers goes on a run was really just a thought
Speaker 1: exercise on what it would mean. We never thought he could.
Speaker 1: What if the Eagles repeat was also for me just
Speaker 1: a thought exercise. I never thought they could, and they
Speaker 1: end up losing in pretty bad fashion in a home
Speaker 1: playoff game. They didn't really have any business losing to
Speaker 1: a Niners team that we then saw the next week
Speaker 1: was not good. I shouldn't say not good, but they
Speaker 1: were not a contended Yeah, which second year quarterback goes
Speaker 1: on a run. We now there was gonna be one.
Speaker 1: Caleb had a shot, Caleb had like the amazing moments,
Speaker 1: but Drake obviously is the one playing in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And which NFC West team will look like they did
Speaker 1: in the regular season. The answer was kind of Seattle
Speaker 1: and the Rams. The Rams looked like they did in
Speaker 1: the regular season. They just couldn't get the last stop
Speaker 1: they needed or the last conversion. In Seattle looked like
Speaker 1: the best team all year, and they were I thought
Speaker 1: it was the Rams. I was wrong. It was Seattle.
Speaker 1: So like you know, all to me, those all, uh,
Speaker 1: those all held up pretty well. Yeah, and I don't
Speaker 1: there's nothing. I guess The thing that maybe I should
Speaker 1: have incorporated more was something related to Denver, the one
Speaker 1: Seeds Denver, you know, could they showed they beat the
Speaker 1: Bills and then they were in that game with the
Speaker 1: Patriots even though they didn't have their quarterback. So maybe
Speaker 1: I was just, you know, my big swing before the
Speaker 1: year was high on the Raiders, low on the Broncos,
Speaker 1: and that was a giant double with I was just
Speaker 1: you know, I missed on both of those. All right,
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Speaker 1: all right, DeMont, Let's talk trade deadline.
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, so the Wizards are making moves. We know
Speaker 2: a couple months back they got Trey Young and they
Speaker 2: went out and got Anthony Davis. Dallas got too late first,
Speaker 2: some second rounders and a handful of players. This Luca
Speaker 2: trade just looks worse and worse by the month. Huh.
Speaker 1: So this is the final accounting of in out for
Speaker 1: the Luka trade. If we just if we don't worry
Speaker 1: about the salary filler guys like Kleiba and Markis Morris,
Speaker 1: Chris Middle like that. Ultimately, within three hundred and seventy days,
Speaker 1: they flipped Luka, Doncic, four, Max Christi, the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six Thunder first round pick, the twenty twenty nine Lakers
Speaker 1: first round pick, and the twenty thirty Warriors first round
Speaker 1: pick which is top twenty protected and three second rounders,
Speaker 1: and they got thirty games out of Anthony Davis and
Speaker 1: no playoff run. It is an all time tragedy of
Speaker 1: a trade. So that's just that is what it is.
Speaker 1: It's an all time disaster. You got to see Ad
Speaker 1: and Kyrie play like twenty minutes together. It's just a tragedy. Now,
Speaker 1: luckily they got Cooper flag. But so for the MAVs,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I am stunned Demons Dallas
Speaker 1: didn't get more for Anthony Davis. Yeah, and I'm stunned
Speaker 1: now that we know the Warriors, the Warriors aren't getting
Speaker 1: the honest they traded for Chris STAPs like they cut
Speaker 1: bait on that. I'm stunned the Warriors didn't trump the
Speaker 1: MAVs offer. I'm sorry the Wizard's offer. Like Anthony Davis
Speaker 1: on the Warriors. I understand he's an injury risk. Listen,
Speaker 1: he's a huge injury risk. I get it, but that's
Speaker 1: interesting now ad with Steph A defense with Draymond and
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, Like, I can get behind that. And it
Speaker 1: is very, very odd to me that this was Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis's market. I get he's on a huge contract, and
Speaker 1: I get that he is always injured, and it's weird injuries.
Speaker 1: He barely hits his hand. It looks like torn ligaments.
Speaker 1: He has to wear goggles now forever because of the
Speaker 1: retina stuff. I know that. But man trading ad for
Speaker 1: Chris Middleton salary filler and two awful first round picks,
Speaker 1: and those are awful first. The thunder first this coming
Speaker 1: year is gonna be pick you know, twenty eight or
Speaker 1: worse or something. And a Warriors first that is top
Speaker 1: twenty protected is a disaster. And so I can't believe
Speaker 1: that's what Anthony Davis's value is. I do give the
Speaker 1: Wizard's credit for being like, screw it. We're not signing
Speaker 1: any free agents anyway. We have a good young player
Speaker 1: and Alex sar Trey Young will be here next year.
Speaker 1: I mean he's there now, but he's not playing. So
Speaker 1: the Wizard's hope is nail, you know, get lucky in
Speaker 1: the lottery this year. Add either Darren Peterson or Carlos
Speaker 1: Boozer's kid or aj debants in the top three have
Speaker 1: one of those guys play Star plus Trey plus a
Speaker 1: d and go make a run in the East. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't hate that at all. And Dallas is just
Speaker 1: built around Cooper flag and you know, Barnico Harrison from
Speaker 1: the City. All right, let's go to some of the
Speaker 1: other trade deadline news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a bunch of moves since our last
Speaker 2: show of so we'll start off with the heart and trade.
Speaker 2: We know that there was a little bit of that
Speaker 2: going on with the last show, but it's official. Their
Speaker 2: odds went up in the East for the playoffs, which
Speaker 2: is weird because it's James Harden. How do we feel
Speaker 2: about James Harden on the Cavaliers.
Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't understand why they do it.
Speaker 1: I you know, I've spent a lot of time on
Speaker 1: this on Tuesday show, on the TV show. The the
Speaker 1: record of quitting and falling apart in the playoffs is
Speaker 1: unmatched by any athlete in American sports history, just is.
Speaker 1: And the understand the Clippers and Harden are playing nice
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh no, it's for both James Harden
Speaker 1: wanted to stay in LA, they didn't want to give
Speaker 1: him a contract extension, so he got out of there.
Speaker 1: And now the Calves this idea that well, the Calves,
Speaker 1: they've got to get Donovan to sign an extension this summer.
Speaker 1: And because of that, that's why you take on this
Speaker 1: risky move. What's the list of superstars that are like, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I loved playing with James Harden,
Speaker 1: Like I got a little taste of that and I
Speaker 1: was like, sign me up for more of it. So
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand it. Now for the Clippers,
Speaker 1: I think this is an awesome trade. You're buying low
Speaker 1: on Garland. Now. Garland is undersized and has had foot
Speaker 1: issues with both feet, and so it is a concern,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. But the Clippers don't have, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of flexibility here, and so they get a
Speaker 1: lot younger and they get a scoring guard and you
Speaker 1: hope his defensive issues don't matter as much when Kawhi
Speaker 1: Leonard he beats. The Zubats are on the team like that,
Speaker 1: they can help you out. I know Zubots isn't you
Speaker 1: know some monster defensive player like they have in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: but you still hope that you can work around that,
Speaker 1: and so I like it a lot for the Clippers.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why the Cavs did it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: We also just real quick, the Lakers actually made a move.
Speaker 1: We'll see if they make another one this one as
Speaker 1: much as you know, I I think criticize fairly Polinka's
Speaker 1: lack of action at deadlines in the past. This isn't groundbreaking.
Speaker 1: But you traded away Gabe Vincent, who has just been
Speaker 1: one of the worst players in the NBA since he
Speaker 1: got to the Lakers. I don't know why. I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened. He was good with the Heat, but
Speaker 1: with the Lakers, he is. He's played one hundred and
Speaker 1: twelve games, so he's injured. He'd been injured as well.
Speaker 1: In those one hundred and twelve games. He averages twenty
Speaker 1: minutes a game, So get dreal burn and gives you
Speaker 1: five points, one rebound, one assist on thirty eight percent
Speaker 1: from the field. Just a truly brutal production. So trading
Speaker 1: him in a second for Luke Kennard, who again is
Speaker 1: a flawed player. But I believe producers correcting it. I'm
Speaker 1: wrong I think right now he leads the NBA three
Speaker 1: point percentage, Like he's shooting almost fifty percent from three.
Speaker 1: He's always been an excellent shooter, and I just yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, forty nine point seven percent this year,
Speaker 1: forty four percent for his career. So it's not even
Speaker 1: you know something you're like, oh, it's fluky. He's an
Speaker 1: awesome shooter, and he doesn't have much playoff experience. But
Speaker 1: his playoff experience he did have prior to last year
Speaker 1: in Memphis when he was brutal, he was solid. And
Speaker 1: so this is a positive for the Lakers. Is it
Speaker 1: a needle mover? Probably not. Does it at all help
Speaker 1: your problems of being a horrific defensive team? Nah, I
Speaker 1: forget about that. But putting shooting around Luke and Lebron
Speaker 1: is never a bad idea.
Speaker 2: All right? Next, Jaron Jackson Junior traded to the Azz.
Speaker 2: You don't have to go.
Speaker 1: Through all of it, don't. The big piece in this is,
Speaker 1: let me pull up the exact picks Jazz trade details.
Speaker 1: Uh So, when they say three future first round picks,
Speaker 1: it matters what those picks are, and one of them
Speaker 1: is Utah's pick. Uh So, let me see if the
Speaker 1: NBA dot com story has it, gosh darn it, put
Speaker 1: it in the dock if you guys can find it,
Speaker 1: because trading like these are not nothing picks. Okay, here
Speaker 1: it is, I got it. So Memphis gets uh, the
Speaker 1: Lakers twenty twenty seven first rounder, not a uh, not
Speaker 1: a huge pick, the best of the following four picks. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they get whichever d which of these picks is
Speaker 1: the best twenty twenty seven, Minnesota's first that probably won't
Speaker 1: be that good, Cleveland's first that probably won't be that good,
Speaker 1: or Utah's first unprotected, so you like that. Utah is
Speaker 1: saying we expect to be competing a year from now,
Speaker 1: like because we're not gonna have our own pick, and
Speaker 1: a pretty juicy twenty thirty one Phoenix first. So they
Speaker 1: got They got the Lakers pick next year, Lakers will
Speaker 1: have Luca that won't be a great pick, the Jazz
Speaker 1: pick next year that could be good, and the Sun's
Speaker 1: pick in twenty thirty one, which again demands not to
Speaker 1: beat a dead horse. But that just objectively means Jaren
Speaker 1: Jackson June had way more, way more trade value than
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, and that's that's surprising to me. Now he's younger,
Speaker 1: but he also has you know, health issues. Health issues
Speaker 1: sounds awful. He's not the most durable player in the
Speaker 1: league is, but not to the degree Anthony Davis's obviously,
Speaker 1: And so Utah is saying, all right, we're actually gonna
Speaker 1: start trying to win. Not right now though, because Utah.
Speaker 1: Here's what's interesting about it. Utah only keeps their pick
Speaker 1: this year if it's in the top eight, and that
Speaker 1: is going to be a little interesting for them because
Speaker 1: right now, if you look at the whole league standings,
Speaker 1: Utah is has the sixth worst record, right so they
Speaker 1: would need to stay there and not have teams jump them. However,
Speaker 1: teams ahead of them in the standings, if you will, like,
Speaker 1: with better records, that could fall beneath them, Dallas, Milwaukee, Memphis.
Speaker 1: So Memphis is you know, just got worse Dallas. I
Speaker 1: know Ad wasn't playing, but got worse Milwaukee. We'll see,
Speaker 1: you know what the what ends up happening with Giannis.
Speaker 1: So but u Jah wants to stay in that top
Speaker 1: eight and then try to start winning. But Triple j
Speaker 1: and Walker Kestler to be a big team and Laurie Markanen.
Speaker 1: And the real story here is they think Keyante George
Speaker 1: is ready to start winning games, and then you have
Speaker 1: Ace Bailey. It's like, Okay, Utah's finally gonna try to
Speaker 1: go start winning games. I don't mind that at all.
Speaker 1: And then the other ones, the Celtics flipping Simons for Vousovich.
Speaker 1: That's more a financial move than a basketball move, but
Speaker 1: is fine like it's and Simons is replaceable obviously for
Speaker 1: the Celtics.
Speaker 2: I think he's more similar to other players on the team.
Speaker 2: I think, correct, right, exactly. I think that's what I mean,
Speaker 2: like a better guy to have.
Speaker 1: Correct that the Celtics have guards that can score, and
Speaker 1: so adding a big and Vosovich I think is smart.
Speaker 1: Chris paul Is traded the Raptors, but he's gonna get cut.
Speaker 1: I wonder where he and if somebody brings him on
Speaker 1: the buy out market.
Speaker 2: Somebody gotta get Chris Paul Man. Come on, yeah, come on, guys.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I wonder if maybe the Lakers bring
Speaker 1: him in in the buy out market. The Thunder getting
Speaker 1: Jared McCain, the TikToker is and you know, he went
Speaker 1: for a real first, not a great first, but Houston's
Speaker 1: first this year in a bunch of seconds. So he
Speaker 1: was awesome as a rookie, awesome, suffered a major injury,
Speaker 1: and now is marginalized as a rookie. He was fifteen
Speaker 1: a game on forty six percent in twenty six minutes
Speaker 1: a game. This year he's six a game on thirty
Speaker 1: nine percent. But what the thunder is saying is, you know,
Speaker 1: we hope a year from now he can get back
Speaker 1: to that form. And he's cost controlled, so you know
Speaker 1: it's fine. Kevin Herder the shooter goes to the number
Speaker 1: one seed in the East Pistons. I like that move
Speaker 1: for them, and that's about as far down the list
Speaker 1: as we're gonna go, and I it would have here
Speaker 1: Yannie is not getting traded. I don't want to spend
Speaker 1: too much time on it because by the time people
Speaker 1: listen to this it could be dated, but it would
Speaker 1: appear to me Jannie is not getting traded, which is bad,
Speaker 1: right tweet. I mean they're gonna trade him this summer,
Speaker 1: I guess. But it's just a wasted year for all parties.
Speaker 1: It's a weird spot.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Let's do some listener questions to Monsey.
Speaker 2: Uh, scruff dog, says Nick, how do you think a
Speaker 2: d will be remembered all all time? What if? Maybe
Speaker 2: all time? What if? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think he'll be remembered as a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player whose prime was shorter than it
Speaker 1: should have been because of injuries and for a lot
Speaker 1: of reasons didn't reach his full potential because and I
Speaker 1: really like a D but his full potential was Lee MVP,
Speaker 1: and he showed that in year three and he never
Speaker 1: quite got to that level. But he was a huge
Speaker 1: piece of a champion and his story's not yet done
Speaker 1: being written. But Washington, it's hard to see him playing
Speaker 1: in super high leverage games anytime soon in Washington. All right?
Speaker 2: Next? Uh, Scott asked Nick. Would the Raptors getting Sabonis
Speaker 2: help them get to the East Finals?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, yeah. The thing is,
Speaker 1: Demanda Sabonis has been such a bad playoff player that
Speaker 1: you and he gets exploited defensively so much, you don't
Speaker 1: really think that that gets you over the top. And
Speaker 1: I know the Raptors are having a good year and
Speaker 1: Scottie Barnes having his best year. I get all that.
Speaker 1: I don't look at them as East Finals caliber.
Speaker 2: Quite next Austin ass Is the OKAC first round pick
Speaker 2: collection from the late twenty tens in early twenty twenties
Speaker 2: one of the best strategies of all time? Or was
Speaker 2: it just lucking into SGA and the good scouting department.
Speaker 1: A little bit of both? Like it was a good
Speaker 1: strategy that they also then nailed the picks on and SGA. Listen, nobody,
Speaker 1: no matter how optimistic you were about SGA after his
Speaker 1: time with the Clippers, you didn't think best player in
Speaker 1: the league MVP was what was on the board, But
Speaker 1: the thunder were on the bad end of that once
Speaker 1: when they traded away James Harden. Even as optimistic as
Speaker 1: Daryl Morey was about Harden, nobody thought multi time scoring
Speaker 1: Champ assist Champ MVP was where he was gonna be.
Speaker 1: Go to Manny real quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Manny asked, do you think Lebron still revisits the
Speaker 2: Cavs return now that Harden is in town? Three guys
Speaker 2: who need the ball on the same team.
Speaker 1: Listen, Lebron and I have different historical opinions on guys
Speaker 1: that I think Lebron should want to play with, and
Speaker 1: guys Lebron wants to play with so I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: Lebron playing with Harden, but I don't want Lebron playing
Speaker 1: with Westbrook. So you know, I don't know how he
Speaker 1: feels about it, but Lebron hardened Donovan Mitchell feels like
Speaker 1: a weird fit like Lebron. Luca is a weird fit,
Speaker 1: and Luca's demonstrably better than Harden but similar stylistically. So
Speaker 1: I don't know what it does, but they I also
Speaker 1: don't know. I gotta see how this plays out and
Speaker 1: see what the Calvs do with Harden in the offseason
Speaker 1: that you know, is that going to be a trade piece.
Speaker 1: I really don't know, all right. Our super Bowl Prop
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