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Speaker 1: We love you. Goodbye, Welcome to you Stuff you should

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Speaker 1: know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Sounded like Jonathan's Chickland.

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Speaker 1: Just then there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry Stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know in the house, Yes, sir, so Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Before we get started, I think we should make a

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Speaker 1: clarification here because we inadvertently offended some people on our

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Speaker 1: makeup episode. I mentioned that it was International Women's Day,

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Speaker 1: so it's not really a happy okay. I understand that.

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Speaker 1: I realized that. And it's not like we said, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's International Women's Day, what topics should we do? What topics?

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Speaker 1: Screams women fresh International Women's Day makeup. It wasn't like

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Speaker 1: that at all. We selected makeup. It was International Women's

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Speaker 1: Day and I didn't want it to go by unmarked yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was completely coincidental. So we we didn't

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Speaker 1: mean to offend anyone. And uh I hopefully our track

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Speaker 1: record as UH feminists stands up. But um so may

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Speaker 1: a couple to all those who are offended. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna do one on International Women's Day

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Speaker 1: and the Equal Rights Amendments. Yeah, next year for International

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Speaker 1: Women's Day, about International Women's Day, and maybe we'll do

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Speaker 1: the e r A before then. Yeah it sounds great. Okay, good,

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Speaker 1: good job, buddy. All right, so let's let's get started.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, man? I was talking to Jerry before

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Speaker 1: you came in about just life. There's a lot of life,

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Speaker 1: lots of stuff going on in every avenue. There's all

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Speaker 1: this planning, like we're like working on dates for stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just like constant what going on. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna melt down? No, I'm not. I'm hanging in there,

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Speaker 1: and I'm doing so by saying, uh, you got a

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Speaker 1: There's the crack in the dike. Everybody. I have a

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Speaker 1: crack in my brain today because if you remember we

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Speaker 1: were sent We mentioned the Crown Royal Rye whiskey off handedly.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I know what your stories, and they sent

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Speaker 1: think that at the time. See, yeah right, so UM TED.

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Speaker 1: and UM. TED talks are talks originally about things that

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Speaker 1: like this, this whole kind of new technocratic idealism is

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Speaker 1: listen to that one that will definitely be in your

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Speaker 1: wheelhouse to agreed. And they are eighteen minutes long. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and I think a selling point for Ted talks because, uh,

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Speaker 1: the very first ted talk happened. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: good idea, and the person wants to stick with it

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Speaker 1: and they're like, Okay, we're gonna go with somebody else

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Speaker 1: or yeah. Well there's a couple of hallmarks of a

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Speaker 1: good TED talk that they work with you on, um,

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Speaker 1: that you'll notice, uh. And one is that they want

427
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Speaker 1: to frame your story as a personal journey of discovery.

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Speaker 1: This I find is a little narrow, uh. And a

429
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Speaker 1: talk should feel like a quote little miracle end quote

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Speaker 1: and change your audience's perspective on the world. Which that's

431
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Speaker 1: that's the problem that I have with it, Like not

432
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Speaker 1: everything is a little miracle, and I don't think you

433
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Speaker 1: should force it into a little miracle box. Like something

434
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: can be interesting just on its face. Yeah, but if

435
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Speaker 1: you know, then start your own conference. Like you know

436
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like that's their thing right now, I

437
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: get it. That's why I don't like critics. Well, we'll

438
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Speaker 1: get to the criticism and I'll go off then. But

439
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Speaker 1: they wanted to be really focused on like one specific thing.

440
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Speaker 1: Obviously in eighteen minutes. You can't be too rambly, which

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Speaker 1: is another reason why they would never ask us because

442
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: we'd start talking about Cohen Brothers movies. May be like

443
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Speaker 1: they'd get the hook out. Have you seen Hail Caesar yet? No?

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Speaker 1: Which is weird it is I'm usually like right in

445
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Speaker 1: that theater on the first week. I guess it's an

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Speaker 1: allegory for Christ maybe, Oh really, I think so interesting. Uh,

447
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Speaker 1: some of the other things that they will work with you.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna use a teleprompter, like we said, it's

449
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Speaker 1: got to be memorized. Yeah, we don't use teleprompters even

450
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Speaker 1: when we're shooting videos. Do you use teleprompters? I do

451
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: for the what the stuff? I find it's too difficult

452
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Speaker 1: and distracting. I don't have enough confidence in my just

453
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Speaker 1: reading cold abilities. Love it. Sure, I can read all

454
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Speaker 1: day long. Uh they they you can't use note cards

455
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Speaker 1: if you want to uh to do that. Yeah, you're

456
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Speaker 1: not a robot. No, you might be a robot scientist,

457
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Speaker 1: but you're not a robot. Right. Yeah. They want you

458
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Speaker 1: to make eye contact and be accessible, and they recommend

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Speaker 1: picking out some friendly faces in the audience. That's a

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Speaker 1: that's big and these actually do translate to just about

461
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Speaker 1: any public speaking gig. Yeah. And what I think is

462
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Speaker 1: funny is having done shows with you, is you tend

463
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Speaker 1: to pick out the least friendly face and afterwards you're like, well,

464
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Speaker 1: is that guy on the second row he just kept

465
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Speaker 1: yawning and he had his arm scrolls look or something. Yeah,

466
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Speaker 1: it's so funny. It's easy to like obsess, like that

467
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: person we've lost. Um yeah, it's that is good advice

468
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Speaker 1: to find some friendly people. You want to find more

469
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Speaker 1: than just like three. You definitely want to do like six, seven, eight,

470
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Speaker 1: scattered all around the audience so that you're looking around,

471
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Speaker 1: and you've got your people that you're looking at, and

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Speaker 1: you know they're thrilled and delighted that you're talking right

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Speaker 1: to them for a second. But then they can also

474
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Speaker 1: get very uncomfortable if you're talking to them for most

475
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Speaker 1: of the show, So you want to kind of spread

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Speaker 1: that thing around. And then also it doesn't hurt to

477
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Speaker 1: just kind of look in the air to while you're talking,

478
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, or close your eyes and pretend you're not

479
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: there on stage speaking in front of people. We don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't really get that nervous anymore. I know what

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Speaker 1: it depends. I have remember in uh in New York

482
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Speaker 1: at town Hall, I almost I almost had to tell

483
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Speaker 1: you that you need to push me on stage. Yeah,

484
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: some are a little bit more nervy than others, but

485
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: that goes away pretty quick quickly because our audiences and

486
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Speaker 1: our listeners are super supportive, Like you can't ask for

487
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: a better room to walk into. Well, Plus we don't

488
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Speaker 1: have to win the crowd over. There's probably five people

489
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Speaker 1: who don't listen to stuff you should know at any

490
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Speaker 1: one of our shows. It's not like being a stand

491
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Speaker 1: up comedian. No one knows you, especially if you're an

492
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Speaker 1: opener and you have to win the crowd over. That

493
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: sounds like a living nightmare to me. Yeah, that's well,

494
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: I've never tried to stand up one of many reasons. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then they also say to you know, not be

496
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Speaker 1: too uh active, like use your hands and stuff. But

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Speaker 1: you want to be fairly still. Yeah, you don't want

498
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Speaker 1: to be running all over the stage. Remember when we

499
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Speaker 1: were on Solidade O'Brien one morning and my knee was

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Speaker 1: just going like five and they did like a full

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Speaker 1: shot of us for the whole interview. Not good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was weird because it was also like six am.

503
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Speaker 1: It was you probably had like six cups coffee. I

504
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: might as well just stay up. Oh. One thing they

505
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Speaker 1: point out this article I thought was interesting is that

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Speaker 1: and maybe this answer is my question about working with people. Um.

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Speaker 1: One of the most popular Ted's ever was from Susan Kane.

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Speaker 1: Did you see that one? Yeah, it's great. She wrote

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Speaker 1: a book called Quiet, The Power of Introverts in a

510
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Speaker 1: World that can't stop talking. So she is a self

511
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Speaker 1: described very famous introvert, and he was able to do it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, hers is very endearing and it kind of

513
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Speaker 1: gives you the idea that um, and this was This

514
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Speaker 1: was also mentioned by Tim urban on Wait but why

515
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Speaker 1: that like those people are they want you to succeed.

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Speaker 1: They're not there to be like I can't wait for

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Speaker 1: you to fail. Um. There. So there's a very encouraging

518
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Speaker 1: crowd at her her Ted talk. That's very sweet And

519
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Speaker 1: it was I saw that because our old friend Bill

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Speaker 1: Bill Gates. It was on his list of ten favorite

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Speaker 1: Ted Talks. And I went and watched it before we

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Speaker 1: interviewed him because you know or check this out introverts

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Speaker 1: l O L and I was like, sent from my iPhone,

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Speaker 1: Oh busted. Um. Actually, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were

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Speaker 1: very good friends. They were healthy competition. Well. In fact,

526
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Speaker 1: Bill Gates could arm wrestle Steve Jobs under the table

527
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Speaker 1: and it drove Steve Jobs nuts. Did you know Bill

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Speaker 1: Gates can jump over chairs though it was like one

529
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Speaker 1: of his things that he's known for. Did you know that? Well?

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Speaker 1: I think he told me. Okay, I didn't know until

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Speaker 1: you told me he still does it once in a while. Wow,

532
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: we should have him do that? And yeah, I thought

533
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Speaker 1: that might have been a bad idea. Uh So, I

534
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Speaker 1: guess we should talk a little bit about the criticisms

535
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: since we teased it. Yeah, because there's plenty of it.

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00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: It's a it's basically a sporting pastime to to take

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Speaker 1: down Ted. I just don't get it. These things are

538
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Speaker 1: so enjoyable to read to me. Yeah, Like, um, Frank

539
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: rich Rot one called Ted Talks are lying to you.

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Speaker 1: And it was originally in Harper's, which I think is

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Speaker 1: where I read it a few years ago, and it's

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00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: reprinted on Salon now because Harper's is behind a paywall,

543
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: and um, it's just beautiful. It's not just about Ted Talks.

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Speaker 1: It's about this whole idea of thing like Ted basically

545
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: the commoditization of creativity, Um, just being uncreative, recycling of

546
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: established tropes and stuff. What did he called it? Uh?

547
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Speaker 1: Was that him or Benjamin Bratton? Oh, it might have

548
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: been Bratton. It called it a megachurch infottainment for middle

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00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: brow classes, for middle brown masses. Right, okay, yeah, Well

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Speaker 1: the big the big criticisa, Yes they are, Like, there

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00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: are plenty of awesome Ted talks. Um. I don't think

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Speaker 1: anyone disputes that. I think a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: criticized Ted believe that there's this unspoken sentiment that Ted

554
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Speaker 1: is changing the world, and the critics point to Ted's

555
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: really not changing the world at all. It's basically saying,

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Speaker 1: here's this really cool ge whiz idea that you two

557
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: can understand, and um, go tell your friends about it

558
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: and let the whole idea die there, And that that's

559
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: actually taking legitimate, great ideas from this roboticist and then

560
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: just spreading it out to the masses and fizzling out

561
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: rather than going the opposite way. Now, Ted, on the

562
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Speaker 1: other hand, is like, are you crazy. If you go

563
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Speaker 1: to our conferences, most of the attendees are extraordinarily rich

564
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Speaker 1: philanthropists or investors or entrepreneurs who might take that roboticists

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Speaker 1: idea and actually manufacture it. But I think for the

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Speaker 1: most part, if you did tip for tat um, it

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Speaker 1: compared things that panned out from a Ted talk, the

568
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Speaker 1: things that just fizzled out or haven't haven't panned out yet.

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Speaker 1: They haven't panned out yet far and away exceeds the

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Speaker 1: ones that have. Yeah, I got no problem with that.

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Speaker 1: I think TED talks and I think this is their

572
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Speaker 1: mission is. I think it's a conversation starter and should

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Speaker 1: not be looked at as anything more than that. Is,

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Speaker 1: let me break down something you may not have heard of, uh,

575
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Speaker 1: and try to inspire you in eighteen minutes and start

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Speaker 1: a conversation. Um. I don't think their mission should be

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Speaker 1: anything but that, so I agreed. Um. The The other

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Speaker 1: big criticism is that it's an extremely elitist organization and

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Speaker 1: that it's it's not just elitist. TED itself is not

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Speaker 1: just elitist, but the people who really enjoy and get

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Speaker 1: into TED are also extremely elitist without even being aware

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Speaker 1: of it. Basically like, if you read the weight but

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Speaker 1: why post um Tim is talking about going to TED,

584
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Speaker 1: And when you go to TED, the whole, the whole

585
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Speaker 1: thing is you're one speaker on stage and the whole

586
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Speaker 1: conference is there. There's not multiple speaker speaking at once.

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Speaker 1: There's um like seventies speakers over the course of this week,

588
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Speaker 1: and so everybody's there for you. But the people who

589
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Speaker 1: aren't in the auditorium might be out on some artificial

590
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Speaker 1: turf under a fake tree watching it on TV, or

591
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Speaker 1: in a giant ball pit watching it on TV. And

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Speaker 1: it's like this is the antithesis of a hard life.

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Speaker 1: Even though a lot of the TED ideas are talking

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Speaker 1: about how to solve problems that have hard lives, so

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Speaker 1: it's like very much ensconced and like to get to TED.

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Speaker 1: You pay a minimum of eight dollars uh two as

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Speaker 1: an attendee. Yes, well it's it's unless it's changed. That

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Speaker 1: was I thought it was on a subscription model. Now,

599
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: so I saw six thousand dollar a year you become

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Speaker 1: a member essentially, Okay, I didn't see that. I saw

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Speaker 1: to attend it was undred or you could double that

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Speaker 1: and be considered a donor, which I'm sure comes with

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Speaker 1: more perks or whatever. Um. But if you take the

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Speaker 1: if you take the meme between those two, the two

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Speaker 1: prices you would pay for that week long conference and

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00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 1: you have to be invited to we should point out, well,

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00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: that's that's another thing. You have to pay at least

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Speaker 1: eight dollars and apply on top of that. And of

609
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Speaker 1: course they're not going to charge you if if you

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Speaker 1: don't make the cut, but you have to apply and pay.

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Speaker 1: And in the application it's it's like we want to

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Speaker 1: know the real you, so sit down with a coffee

613
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Speaker 1: and really think about who you are in explaining this

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Speaker 1: to us. In the application, it says that on the

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Speaker 1: tips for applying some fair trade coffee too. Probably, I'm

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Speaker 1: quite sure. I think that's just insinuated day. Um. But

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Speaker 1: if you take the mean of D and seventeen thousand, uh,

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Speaker 1: and you multiply that by the four hundred attendees at

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Speaker 1: a TED conference, the TED conference takes in about seventeen

620
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Speaker 1: seventeen million, eight hundred fifty grand in a week. They

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Speaker 1: don't pay their speakers. They put them up in hotels

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Speaker 1: with roommates, and um there there if I saw this

623
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Speaker 1: thing on Joe Rogan, Eddie huang Um was on. He's

624
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Speaker 1: like a chef and he did a TED talk and

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Speaker 1: he had this nightmare story about his TED experience. Um.

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Speaker 1: So they're raking in a bunch of money. And the

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Speaker 1: big thing that they put out is a one million

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Speaker 1: dollar TED Prize every year, which Bono got one year

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Speaker 1: and Jamie Oliver. So there's a lot of Ted's got

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to be criticized. At the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, I agree with you. The talks in

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Speaker 1: and of themselves, I have no problem with. Well, yeah,

633
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Speaker 1: and there's a certain demographic that just doesn't want to

634
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: hear Bono talk about starvation or like he he needs

635
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: an extra million dollars for his foundation. You know, like

636
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: that's who that million went to that year. I think

637
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton won one year too. Yeah, and Jamie Oliver again,

638
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: like these guys could just cough up a million dollars

639
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: into their own foundations. So I would strongly recommend go

640
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: read the weight. But why doing a Ted talk post?

641
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: Um read, Uh, we we have to talk about Ted,

642
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: which is a Benjamin Bratton Ted talk, which that's that's

643
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: cohones if you ask me. He did a Ted takedown

644
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: at Ted x San Diego, which again is a big one.

645
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: And then um read Ted talks are lying to you?

646
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: Which is that Frank rich one that's about way more

647
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: than Ted Talks. Yeah. I think part of my defense

648
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: here is tied to our own show. And uh, like

649
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 1: we got an email that we're not even gonna read,

650
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: but we got an email a couple of weeks ago

651
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: that you know, and we get them from time to

652
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: time where you you guys should do this, this and this,

653
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: this is where your show stinks and it should be this,

654
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: And I'm always like, go start your show then, like

655
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: this is what we do and we're not claiming to

656
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: do anything else, right, Yeah, And there's a there's definitely

657
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 1: a difference between saying, hey, I think you guys should

658
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: have guests on more or whatever constructive criticism. But you know,

659
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: if somebody comes along and just doesn't drive by jerk move,

660
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: which I want to see Erin Cooper make a photoshop

661
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: of that, um, that doesn't help. So that's one of

662
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: the things why I think the takedowns are enjoyable to

663
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: read because they make real sense in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: And also go read on smart It was a Gawker

665
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: post from a couple of years ago, and it's very lengthy,

666
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: but it really kind of lays the foundation that's like

667
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: the antithesis of the ted talk sentiment. You know. Yeah,

668
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: I feel it's with social media. I feel like people

669
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: are just sitting and wait to take something down, and

670
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Speaker 1: I'm just tired of it. I have takedown fatigue. I

671
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: know what you mean, but I I don't have takedown

672
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: fatigue for thoughtful, sensible, reasonable takedowns. Agreed um. But I

673
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: think when the takedown is on something, it's not like

674
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Speaker 1: they're exploiting anybody or you know, it's not like I

675
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: mean takedown child labor, not like a ted Talk. It's

676
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: my opinion. Uh, coming up after this break we are

677
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: going to and now we've got a lot of interesting

678
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Speaker 1: stuff to talk about with Roman Mars of Invisible right

679
00:38:46,040 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: after this. All right, well we are back with a

680
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: rare interview, although we've been doing it more and more.

681
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: We had Bill Gates on, and now we have the

682
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: great Roman Mars of the wonderful, awesome Invisible podcast and

683
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: Radio Topia podcast Network. Yeah, the guy is a podcast magnate.

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Speaker 1: Hi Roman, Hey guys, how's it going great? How are

685
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: you sir? I'm excellent, Thank you, thanks for having me on.

686
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so glad to be in the company of

687
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Speaker 1: Bill Gates and yourselves. Well, you know, I wouldn't go

688
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: that far, but uh so we did a podcast on

689
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: Ted talks Um that we already recorded, and so you

690
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: obviously came to mind because you did your very own

691
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: Ted Talk and not a Ted X or a Ted

692
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Speaker 1: triple X or whatever versions have. Yeah, you did the

693
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Speaker 1: real deal. Yeah, it was something else. It was really fun.

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend you do it if you get asked.

695
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: And that was like one one year ago, right, Yeah,

696
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Speaker 1: it was almost exactly a year ago. And Roman, what

697
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Speaker 1: was your Ted talk? On? My Ted talk was about

698
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Speaker 1: the design of flags? How did you end up on that? Yeah. So,

699
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of times when you're asked to

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Speaker 1: a TED Talk, you're you know, a scientist or a

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Speaker 1: social scientist or philosopher, who is really you know, when

702
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: you're asked to a TED Talk, you know exactly what

703
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: Ted talk you're goin to give, because it's your life's work.

704
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Speaker 1: Whereas I'm a journalist, I mean I tell stories. So

705
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Speaker 1: when they said do a design story, I had a

706
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Speaker 1: couple of hundred because I do the radio show about it,

707
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Speaker 1: and so I just had to pick one that I

708
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Speaker 1: was most passionate about. And I tried lots of different

709
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Speaker 1: ideas and I had this world grand unified theory of

710
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Speaker 1: design that I was going to present at some point,

711
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Speaker 1: and I tried it out in different life settings and

712
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: it just wasn't working. And I called him up and

713
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Speaker 1: I said, I just don't know. I have this one.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going okay, but I kind of want

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Speaker 1: to talk about flags. And they said me, I can

716
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Speaker 1: tell by the sound of your voice you should do

717
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Speaker 1: the flag one because you sound excited about it. So

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Speaker 1: I did and it was it was really fun. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I um, I've seen it a couple of times, and

720
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Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite ones. And um, partially because

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Speaker 1: of your passion, but partially because like you can, you

722
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Speaker 1: can literally since you winning over that audience as you

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Speaker 1: watch it, because they were a little stiff at first,

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Speaker 1: and you could like as a as a viewer, like

725
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm watching it and nervous for you at first because

726
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: you're a buddy, and then like you feel already audience

727
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Speaker 1: like literally warming up to you, and then before you

728
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: know it, they're like everyone's laughing at you. And it

729
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: ended up being one of the one of the funnier,

730
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Speaker 1: more amusing Ted talks I've seen. Well, thank you so much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I felt that too, ifect. In fact, I felt that

732
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Speaker 1: the whole week because I gave my talk on a Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and so I was there from you know, Saturday to Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and then the last day it's a Friday, and so

735
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: all week when you when they see that you're a speaker,

736
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Speaker 1: you can see it on your badge. The first thing

737
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: people ask you was what your talk is about? And

738
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: I was just a little shy about talking about it

739
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: because I know it's a little topic when people. I mean,

740
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Speaker 1: the guy the next day, you know, he won a

741
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: Nobel Peace Prize for freeing eighty thousand child slaves. You know,

742
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Speaker 1: you're like, I'm gonna give my flag talk, you know,

743
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, so oh my god. And so I was

744
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: really sheepish about it. But um, one of the things

745
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: I loved and my my sense of accomplishment was really um.

746
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: I was just I was kind of proud that it

747
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: was sort of a small topic that I was passionate

748
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Speaker 1: about and it still won them over and I knew

749
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Speaker 1: it would. It was. It was fun to do. Yeah,

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00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: for those of you who haven't seen it, first of all,

751
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: watch it because it's as all Ted talks, it's under

752
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, and it's um it's about the design. Um

753
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: about flag design, but even more specifically city flags of

754
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: United States kind of all around the world. But you

755
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: you really uh, I mean, you did a great job

756
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: for non flag enthusiast. I mean the first thing I

757
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: did was look up the Atlanta flag afterward, and of

758
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: course ours is one of those with the state seal.

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00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: Uh you have a phoenix on it. It does have

760
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: a phoenix. Uh, yeah, I think it. I think there's

761
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: a phoenix, but it's contained within the state seal, which

762
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Roman says is just bad design. Yeah. I mean. The

763
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Speaker 1: funny thing about the Atlanta flag, if you will allow

764
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: me to digress, is uh, that is that it also

765
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: has a phoenix, you know, rising from flame, just like

766
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: the San Francisco flag does. Um. But actually I think

767
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: it's designed a little a lot better. So if one

768
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Speaker 1: of us had to keep it, I would vote for

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Speaker 1: Atlanta keeping it the way it is, whereas I think

770
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Speaker 1: that San Francisco is an abomination. But if I think

771
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: we both kind of need to step aside for you know,

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00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: the city of Phoenix, which has a phoenix on its

773
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: flag too, Okay, good so um, but I think Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: you know, like as much as it is, it's still

775
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: a cell. I think it's I think it's all right.

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00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: I thought San Francisco's was tie died it would be

777
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Speaker 1: more appropriate. I think. So were you were you nervous

778
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: while you were preparing for this, like we oh, this

779
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: is this is part of a larger episode on Ted Talks,

780
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Speaker 1: And one of the things we ran across is that

781
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: it's a very long, nerve wracking process. Yeah. I mean,

782
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: if it's your typical typically you're you're contacted months and

783
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: months ahead of time, so I was contacted in August

784
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: of the year before and performed it in March. So

785
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: for a couple of months you're just trying to figure

786
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: out what you're gonna do, and you know, trying to

787
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: trying to do your best to write something early so

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Speaker 1: that they have something to react against and UM, the

789
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: whole process is really nerve wracking. Even even people who

790
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: are really seasoned presenters UM run against this. They it's

791
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: so prizing how the venue really really makes you nervous.

792
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: The one thing you probably can't see is that it's

793
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: the most well lit auditorium you've ever been in. So

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00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: one of the things that makes performing in front a

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00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: lot of people really uh easy is you have those

796
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: lights you know, in your eyes and you can't really

797
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: see anybody, and you're kind of just performing to yourself. Well,

798
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: here you can see every face, and not only can

799
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: you see every face, but you can see faces like

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00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: Bill Gates and Al Gore and it's super nerve wracking. Yeah,

801
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: we've met the people you UM. One of the things, too,

802
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: Roman that that was different about yours was that you

803
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: defied convention by sitting down at your table and doing UM.

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00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: Having audio and visual aids and you you make a

805
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: crack about it at the beginning, like who was this

806
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: guy who can sit down? He said, well, this is radio.

807
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: Did you have a hard time talking them into that approach?

808
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: Not at all. That was something that I had psyched

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00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: myself out. And a lot of people do psych themselves

810
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: out when they deal with TED because it's so prestigious

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00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: and and so cool to be a part of it.

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00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: But um, just like the flag talk itself, where I was,

813
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: you know, I want to do a little small thing

814
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: and not the big, grand TED talk. I had said, Well,

815
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: by the way, I I kind of do these live

816
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: presentations where I present it like a podcast where I

817
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: have sound clips and interview clips and music clips and

818
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: I sit down and it's kind of like being an

819
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: information DJ. And they were so excited about that that

820
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 1: I don't know why I didn't talk to him about

821
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: it sooner. It was kind of, you know, it was

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Speaker 1: my fault in a way. So they they really want

823
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: you to be yourself. They're trying to get you to

824
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: be yourself if you've never interesting. Yeah, so so like

825
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, you see all the different things that they do,

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Speaker 1: and there's like there's a there is a lot of

827
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: qualities they're shared across ted talks, and so you think

828
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: that they sort of insist on that. But what they

829
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: know how to do is if you're like a plant

830
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: biologist and you've never given a talk before, they know

831
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: how to get you to give a good talk. But

832
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: if you've presented in lots of different ways before, you know,

833
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: they're totally happy to let you defy convention. They want

834
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Speaker 1: you to defy convention. That See, that surprises me because

835
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: we we figured uh, and I understood why you were

836
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: nervous that they were really strict about what is tad

837
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Speaker 1: and what isn't. Yeah, they don't. They want to be,

838
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: you know, a place of good ideas and understanding, and

839
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: they have a certain way that they know that they

840
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: can make anyone get there in a way using their methods,

841
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: and they're really smart about that. But if you have

842
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: your own way and as long as the result is

843
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: good and they have confidence in that and you have

844
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: confidence in yourself, they're really happy for you to do

845
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: it your own way. And they want to be surprised too.

846
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: There they're um, they're they're really delightful. But again, my

847
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: big problem was I had psyched myself out in some

848
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: way to think. I was like, God, if I asked

849
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: them for the table and the sound stuff, They're going

850
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: to be annoyed at me. And I'm just a podcaster

851
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: and what am I doing here? And so and so

852
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: like so I was just really um. But as soon

853
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: as I brought it up, they were super happy to

854
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: do it. And and and I didn't want to be

855
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: any trouble and stuff, and you know, and I would

856
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: talk to the the the the you know, the different

857
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: set people and sound people and you know, the stage

858
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: manager of the you know, of the thing has like

859
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 1: done the Academy Awards and and and they're like, you're

860
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: don't worry, we can handle You're sitting at a table,

861
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: you know. But like it's not it's not a big deal,

862
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: you know. You know we you know, they just did

863
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: Sounded Music Live last week, you know, so so it's

864
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: it's not you know, it was just it was that

865
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: was the weird part was getting over and once you

866
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: sort of like inside the fold, you realize that they're

867
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: all on the team with you, trying to make you

868
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: be the best you can be. So Roman one of

869
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: the things we ran across some research was there's a

870
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: definite undercurrent in popular culture that people love doing Ted takedowns.

871
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: They love writing articles about how snooty TED is and

872
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: how elitist it is, and um, what was your experience

873
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: with that, Like, did you see what those people are

874
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: talking about and they just have it wrong? Or did

875
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: you just did you not really encounter that? Because it

876
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: sounds like your your experience is altogether positive. Well, yeah,

877
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: my my seriance was altogether positive. I must admit that

878
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: before I was involved in it, I don't know if

879
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: I was really part of TED, you know, takedown, I

880
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: didn't have that sentiment. But I was skeptical because a

881
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: lot of it is it reeks of certain types of solutionism,

882
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: where you know, one you know, technical fix or design

883
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: fix will save the world in some way that is

884
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: believable for eighteen minutes, but then you know, you get

885
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: out in the real world and it seems it just

886
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: seems hokey and um and not applicable to actual, real

887
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: lives and real people. And so I was kind of

888
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I I skeptical in that way too, but

889
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: when I and it, and it's also just like I'm

890
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: not of the world where you spend to go to

891
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: a conference that is not my world for sure. So

892
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: I went with a little bit of that, like thinking

893
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: about that a lot when I was there, And what

894
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: I left with was this real joy of being around

895
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: two thousand people who were really trying something and really

896
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: wanted to think optimistically about the world and wanted to

897
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: learn and more curious. And I just felt, I don't know,

898
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: I was sold on it. In so many ways it was.

899
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: And there was a very little hierarchy when you're there,

900
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: which is pretty interesting. Um, You'll be standing in line,

901
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: um for something, and it'll be some you know, CEO

902
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: billionaire and uh, and they want to engage with you

903
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: in lots of ways. You still, I mean, it's still

904
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: like normal people don't go to TED in a way

905
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: like you don't. You don't have a lot of cause

906
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: to spend that type of money. Um so and and

907
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that can't go unless you know,

908
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: they asked me to go. But um, in general, I

909
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: would say that I'm happy that those folks are engaged

910
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: and trying to think about the world in lots of

911
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: different ways and trying to be inspired, and um, you know,

912
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: if we don't live up to it, all the time

913
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: after we leave um at least there's some effort in

914
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: the right direction. So I liked it. Yeah. I liked

915
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: how you finish your episode, in particular because it was

916
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: about the design of city flag. Then you didn't say like,

917
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: this will change the world if you redesign your flag,

918
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: but you did say, you know, it can make a

919
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: difference if the city has a great flag behind them

920
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: to rally around, and it can be a unifying thing.

921
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: And I just, uh, I don't know. I appreciated that

922
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 1: sentiment at the end for sure. Yeah. And and they're

923
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: interested in that. They want people to take some action

924
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 1: and do something, and that's something that they're really into.

925
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: And there's like this year I went to something where

926
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: somebody was putting together a museum of of lynching actually

927
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: like a civil rights museum about the history of lynching

928
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: in the United States. And I don't know if this

929
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: thing had been released yet, but they're raising money for it.

930
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: And so as soon as the thing was over, everyone

931
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: there was like a Okay, we're gonna go upstairs and

932
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: we go raise money for this. And they raised a

933
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: lot of money for it that day. And it was

934
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: just something. It was like something to watch the power

935
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: of that room to get stuff done was was really

936
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: incredible and so you know, so I you know, I

937
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: try not to overdue mine to the importance of it.

938
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: I was really cognizant of how small it was in

939
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: a certain way, but um, but I like people to

940
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: think about it in a in a bigger way that

941
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: well designed things and civic pride and having some pride

942
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: is a big part of how we get things done,

943
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: and so you know, it leaves people with a little

944
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: bit to think about, but also just just to be entertained.

945
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: That was my main goal. Cool was there? Um? I mean,

946
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: is there like an after party? Do you get feedback

947
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: from people afterwards and audience? Yeah, I mean it's it's great.

948
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: Ted is much better after you're done before you start,

949
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: and because I had all week of just being super

950
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: nervous and thinking, got into some torp with the flag

951
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: talk and then then you're done and people kind of

952
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: know what you're about and uh, and they want to

953
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: talk to you. And it's fun because you're like an

954
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 1: expert of that thing, and so it's really it's really

955
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: enjoyable that give you. We had lots of good feedback,

956
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: lots of um and stuff, And I think that people

957
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: liked the format change and I finally got a sense

958
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: of my role in the in the week, you know,

959
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: along with the really important kind of heavy hitters, like

960
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: they do like to have lighter and comic relief. And

961
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, don't get me wrong, it's not

962
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: like I'm not a stand up comedian. It was just

963
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, he was just enjoying. So it's you know,

964
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: Ted comedy. It's like NPR comedy is really similar and um,

965
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: but it but it was. It's it's super fun. So

966
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: there's tons of parties and tons of like there's a

967
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: big social part of Ted. Awesome. Um, what do you

968
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: feel like And you don't have to like get specific

969
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: if somebody like stuffed a bunch of money in your pocket,

970
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: but what do you feel like it did for Invisible

971
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: and Radiotopia? I mean it exposed me to a bunch

972
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: of new people. They got to see the I know

973
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people have started listening to the show

974
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: after seeing the Ted talk. Um it's a little different

975
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: from me, which was it was kind of fascinating because

976
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: I do have a public show, in a public profile

977
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: and a pretty popular show. It's not quite as popular

978
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: as uh it's Ted, but you know, we get we

979
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: get several million downloads amounts too, and so um, it

980
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: wasn't that huge like catapult from you know, obscurity as

981
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: a social scientist and and and out there in the world.

982
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: But it was just nice. It was like a nice

983
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: compliment to the things that we already do and um.

984
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: And it was just also fun to present stories in

985
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: a new way because you know, because we are a podcast,

986
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: we and we are a podcast often about visual things

987
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: because we covered design, it was nice to have this

988
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: other presentational format that had um, had some pictures, you know,

989
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: so it's kind of it was just it was just

990
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: really fun, like it was a great experience for me.

991
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: Nice man, thank you for talking with this Roman. We

992
00:55:54,520 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: appreciate it. You are the Ted Talking List friend we have. Actually,

993
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: that's not true. Hodgman did one too as well. He's

994
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: done a couple. Yeah, he's done a couple. Oh. He

995
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: the only one I've seen of Hodgeman is it was

996
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: very sweet. He talked about meeting his wife. Oh nice

997
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: was that that had to be a Ted X. Maybe

998
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: he's in Western Man, he's a he's he's a regular.

999
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: But it's really fun. I'm going back this year as

1000
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: a TED mentor worked with other speakers and that was

1001
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: that was pretty enjoyable too. So are you practicing clapping

1002
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: your hands and going wrong, wrong, wrong for rehearsals. No, No,

1003
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: not exactly. It's very supportive. By One of the things

1004
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: that you don't get about TED is because the videos

1005
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 1: are edited, you don't see the all the mistakes. And

1006
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: I guarantee that everyone has made a mistake um in

1007
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: a TED talk. And one of the great things about

1008
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: the whole vibe of the room, and you might not

1009
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: know this from watching it, is that the whole room

1010
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: is like on your side. They're really really rooting for you.

1011
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: They want to they want to be wowed, and so

1012
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: if something technically goes wrong or you flub and have

1013
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: to restart, the whole crowd just applauds and cheers and

1014
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: just gets you going again. And it's really something. It's

1015
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: like so like joyful. Have you ever had a room

1016
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: full of billionaires clap for you? Yeah, But it's something

1017
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: you don't pick up from the presentation, which gets a

1018
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: little it's pretty slick. It's that that roughness that makes

1019
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: people like they're really you can sort of rely on

1020
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: them to lift you up. Um, and it's uh, it's

1021
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of a it's a nice room to be

1022
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: in as an audience member and as a personal stage. Wow.

1023
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: Well that's good to know actually, because it seemed yeah,

1024
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like you're walking into a room

1025
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: full of like a firing squad, not you, but just anybody,

1026
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: because it's just so quiet and it just seems stiff

1027
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: and um seem they hissed anytime you made a mistake. Exactly.

1028
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: It's not like that. It's a it's exact opposite. We

1029
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: I watched a train wreck of this talk this year.

1030
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: It was kind of the it was the most kind

1031
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: of amazing moment because people like stood up and cheered

1032
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: and try to get this kid going, and it was amazing.

1033
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: And it was such a disaster. It was like a

1034
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: performance arts. Like you're making my stomach hurt right now. Yeah,

1035
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: I know, but it but it was but in a way,

1036
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: it was like this catharic event for all six people

1037
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: in the theater and it was it was it was

1038
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: kind of fun. All right, Roman, thank you my friend,

1039
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: and um people, really, I know. We we talked about

1040
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: invisible more than we should as competitors, but it's a great,

1041
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: great show and people should support that. In radiotopia, always

1042
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: tell people if you don't, even if you don't think

1043
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: you like design, you should just try Invisible because it's

1044
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: much much more than that. Where can they go to

1045
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: find you, Roman, They can find us on our website

1046
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: at p I dot org or you know anywhere where

1047
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: you get podcasts. Well, thank you for coming on. Thank

1048
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: you so much. Yeah, my pleasure. I really appreciate it.

1049
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan. It's very exciting to me. Thanks man.

1050
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: All right, Well we'll talk to you soon. So Chuck.

1051
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: Uh that's Ted Talks. Yeah, thanks Roman, that was awesome. Yeah,

1052
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: what a cool dude. If you want to know more

1053
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: about Ted Talks, well just type Ted Talks into a

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Speaker 1: search bar and start watching Ted Talks. There's a million

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Speaker 1: of them basically. Um, and you can also read the

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Speaker 1: article on how stuff Works about it. Yeah, um, and

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Speaker 1: I said how stuff works, which means this time for

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this cremation. We did a great show

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Speaker 1: on cremation quite a while ago. If we do say

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Speaker 1: so so, If we do say so, this from Emily.

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Speaker 1: She says, Hey, guys, my dad was just listening to cremation.

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Speaker 1: My dad was cremated in two thousand four after passing

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Speaker 1: away to stupid idiot cancer. Uh. And my step mom

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Speaker 1: has really had a really interesting concept. She's really big

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Speaker 1: on recycling. She's known locally as the Queen of recycling

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. Wow, not bad. She found hundreds of teeny

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Speaker 1: tiny medical bottles about the size of the last segment

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Speaker 1: of your pinkie with tiny rubber plugs. She hand filled

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Speaker 1: like three hundred bottles with my dad's creamines and put

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Speaker 1: them on the mantle of the lodge at which we

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Speaker 1: hosted his celebration. We had a celebration instead of a

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Speaker 1: funeral outdoors under fall leaves, with wine and live music.

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Speaker 1: As he was locally loved as a folk musician Craig Laughlin,

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Speaker 1: all who loved him could take a few of the

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Speaker 1: bottles of him with them. Pretty neat. That's a great party, favor.

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Speaker 1: I think it's awesome. Since then, he's been to the

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Speaker 1: Vango Museum in Amsterdam, he's in the Bellaggio Fountain in

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and most recently he's mixed been mixed into

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Speaker 1: black volcanics and in Iceland's snuff Alopicus Peninsula. It's called

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Speaker 1: She even sent me how to pronounce its snail falls

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Speaker 1: and and it's this. I've also scattered him in every

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Speaker 1: apartment I've lived in since, always in the very back

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Speaker 1: corner of a closet or in a crack somewhere. Um. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the episode. Pretty informative and I'm sure my

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Speaker 1: dad would giggle if you knew his body was flailing

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Speaker 1: around in the flames at the end. That's very cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's from Emily. And when I told her she was

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Speaker 1: on listr mail, she just responded with a big uppercase

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Speaker 1: expletive with an exclamation point. Shoot yep. And I was like, right,

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Speaker 1: that's cool. Thanks. Emily's very excited. That is really neat, Like, uh,

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Speaker 1: that's just a great story. Yeah, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: if you want to send some of your dad's cream,

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Speaker 1: anes will have him here in the studio with us. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: why not. Okay, I can't play any folk music though, no,

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Speaker 1: but we'll we'll, we would take good care of it.

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Speaker 1: And if you decided to do so, that's right. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thanks for that, Chuck, and thank you Emily. Either way,

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Speaker 1: whether you take him up on it or not. UH.

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