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Speaker 1: the right wing. This next episode so exciting. Come a

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Speaker 1: the beast I missed the past. Yeah, looking for truth

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Speaker 1: for ever, chasing truly yours with love. Waiting a reparations, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Waiting a reparations huh An you weary? Almost a year

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Speaker 1: But he knew what was the fuss about. But what

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Speaker 1: do reparations up squiggle squiggle, like just going all the

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Speaker 1: oh making Juneteenth a holiday like avoiding all other material

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Speaker 1: forms of uplift four black people going straight towards making

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that people are, you know, becoming more aware

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Speaker 1: then So how are you doing great? I mean stream

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Speaker 1: I heard. I remember, should I remember the year? It

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Speaker 1: was like two thousand two, I want to say. My

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00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: older brother put me onto it. He was like, yeah,

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00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: you check this out, and I remember hearing it and

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00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: then not even like really checking for their music for

433
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Speaker 1: like a few years after that, just remembering that song

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Speaker 1: and not even knowing the MCS name. I thought his

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Speaker 1: name was Black Alicious. I didn't know it was a group,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that like la later on,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think it was like when I really

438
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Speaker 1: started getting into like you know, making music and booking

439
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: shows and stuff like that, that I started actually meeting

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00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: people who knew him personally, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And so then that's when I started like taking more

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Speaker 1: of an interest in his work as an m C,

443
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: and I started went back and checked out their stuff.

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00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: It's it sucks, you know. I feel like the past

445
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: two years, you know, we've just been you know, we've

446
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: been losing grades left and right, you know, and and

447
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: not even you know, it never ends, Yeah, it never ends.

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00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we got next Ken Clippenstein and uh

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00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: this this tract that was released against him. So it's

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Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of dipping our toes into Twitter

451
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: drama somewhat, but has real world implications for like, you know, um,

452
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: the relationship between people who work for the States and

453
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: the higher and high up capacities where they have access

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Speaker 1: to document to you know, confidential or classified information, and

455
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: their relationship with investigative journalists and like, you know, what

456
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: is their role, responsibility or the morality of leaking, etcetera.

457
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: I think comes into play with this a little bit.

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00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: So get me to read this part. Sure, yeah, okay.

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00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: So Ken Clampenstein is an investigative journalist formerly of the

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Speaker 1: Nation and now he's with the Intercept. He's a famous

461
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Speaker 1: for giving voice for whistleblowers to the military and big

462
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Speaker 1: corporations like Amazon. For example, when Amazon denied allegations that

463
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Speaker 1: workers were pissing in bottles because they were under such

464
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: pressure to meet shipping quotas, can obtain internal Amazon documents

465
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Speaker 1: from which higher ups acknowledge and discussed the realities that

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Speaker 1: the workers were pissing in bottles. So he totally owned

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00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: those motherfucker's on that. He's also famed for famed on

468
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: Twitter for trolling politicians. For example, he recently tricked the

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Speaker 1: scandal ridden Matt Gates into retweeting an image of Lee

470
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald and military gears saying thank you for your service.

471
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Speaker 1: This in turn caused Matt Gates to, uh, you know,

472
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Speaker 1: he retweeted it unknowingly, and then um, I think Candice

473
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: Owens and some other conservatives started getting on them and

474
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, how disrespectful is it if you

475
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Speaker 1: left this photos, Like they're completely unaware that Lee Harvey

476
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Speaker 1: Oswald was a marine and you know, just just masterclass

477
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: level troll ship. So the intercept past this podcast called

478
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: You Constructed, they had Chelsea Manning on to discuss life

479
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: in prison and leaking and just sort of her life

480
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Speaker 1: now that she's out. She got her sentence commuted. She

481
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: was sentence well, first of all, so she was detained

482
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Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven for thinking evidence of US war crimes,

483
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: was sentence. The thirty five years in prison Harry sentence

484
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: got commuted by President Obama. She went back to jail

485
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: I think in two thousands seventeen for like refusal to

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Speaker 1: testify in court or some ship, and then got let

487
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: out again. Um. During COVID, so she's like pretty newly

488
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: out of prison. Um. And so they had a chat

489
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Speaker 1: on the intercepts deconstructed podcasts and UM. Interestingly, like Julian Assange,

490
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: Stins got pissed that she's seeming that Manning seemingly threw

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Speaker 1: her fellow whistleblower under the bus. Um. I listened. I

492
00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: listened to the podcast like talking at you got talking

493
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: about like because I mean, Julian Osange is you know,

494
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Speaker 1: he's one of for me, He's like, uh, peculiar character

495
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: because like, on one hand, it's like I appreciate the

496
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Speaker 1: wiki leaks exposing the war crimes that happened during the

497
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: Iraq War. But then on the other hand, he liked

498
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: very clearly seems like a Trump supporter and you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's like I don't know why

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00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: those two things can't both be true and both exists,

501
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's like, hey, it

502
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: was cool to be exposed that, But also I don't

503
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Speaker 1: funk with him because he's on some weird Trump ship

504
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: and that's I think what the what the ira was

505
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: of like sort of casting somewhat you know, side eye

506
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: on him for that stuff. But some people really affirmed that,

507
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: like he's a hero for Wiki leaks and fuck you.

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00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: I guess Chelsea, Like, I don't know how someone could

509
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Speaker 1: tell someone that went to prison for bringing truth to

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Speaker 1: lie about US war crimes, you know, uh got out

511
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: and transitioned. Uh. You know, it's like a like not

512
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: only battling the PTSD of being in prison, but just

513
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: like living discriminate, you know, the discrimination she must face

514
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: as a trans woman, etcetera. And it would be like

515
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: fuck you because you don't like my favorite whistle blower.

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00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: It's really weird. Well, I mean, Julian Osange has like

517
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: this weird sort of like cult like internet cult thing

518
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: built around him. So I think it might just be

519
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of For so long, the people who

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00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: have really been speaking out about like, oh they don't

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00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: like Julian Assange has mainly been lips, you know what

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00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean, because of the Hillary Clinton stuff. So I

523
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: think for such a long time, it's it's very easy

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00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 1: to be like dismissed libs who don't like Julian Sage,

525
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: but then to hear coming from Chelsea Batting's mouth is like,

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Speaker 1: I don't really fun. I think it's like a hard

527
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: thing for them to kind of come to terms with,

528
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: like can't compute why does she not like him? To

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Speaker 1: malfunctioning systems failing you know. So this whole conversation gave

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00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: rise to this disk track against clin clipping side here

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00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: to paint a picture of an alternate dimension where Julian

532
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: assans just being showered with affection and can fucking clipping

533
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: Stein's and infinite detention. It was kind of cringe e.

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00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: Most of it doesn't even rhyme. I don't know. I

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00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: don't funk with this content wise, it's just yeah, it's

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00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: I I don't understand the purpose of this at all, Like,

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Speaker 1: of all the issues you could raise up, of all

538
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Speaker 1: the injustices happening in the world of kids, ain't gonna

539
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: fucking clean drinking water, Nigga is getting shot by the military,

540
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: and mind mar fucking Yeah, you're making a diss song

541
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: for investigative journalists, like a rap song, like yeah, man,

542
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: like this this corny, Man, it's not even as corny

543
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: as it's gonna get on the show today because oh no, no, no,

544
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: we're on a roll today, like like today are our

545
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: music discussion stuff? Is like we got like some wax

546
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: stuff for you. Like, So this next one, we're gonna

547
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: talk about this song. We're a little we're three weeks

548
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: late on it, but we had better ship to do.

549
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: But um, it's the song by this rapper Tom McDonald

550
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: track called Snowflake. Now before we check this out, just

551
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: to give you a little rundown. Tom McDonald is a

552
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: Canadian rapper and singer and former professional wrestler, and he

553
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: kind of roasted prominence back in when he dropped the

554
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: song called White Boy, which he was pretty much kind

555
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: of going over the grievances that the straight white this

556
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: man was an endangered species and all societies against them

557
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: and they can't say what they want and they're taking

558
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: our stuff and yetta, YadA, all of that stuff. But

559
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: it ended up becoming kind of a hit low key

560
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: with the Maga crowd. And uh, he had been around

561
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: for a bit, I had, you know, as far as

562
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: like being like an underground artist. I had seen some

563
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: of his I'd come across some of his stuff in

564
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: the past. But once he dropped that white Boy thing,

565
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: and the Maga crowd kind of started gravitating, gravitating towards it,

566
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: just like all the other right, wing drifters. He kind

567
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: of discovered that that was going to be his niche.

568
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: So he continued on the you know, subsequent years, dropping

569
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: track after track in that vein, and during he dropped

570
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: the singles I Don't Care and Coronavirus, the ladder of

571
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: which was written about the COVID nineteen pandemic um. It

572
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: was criticized for factual and accuracies, misleading versus week analysis,

573
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, just like pretty much rap propaganda. But you know,

574
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: in the vein of like white Boy frat Wrap, So

575
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, you know, he released what is now

576
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: a viral hit, which is a Snowflake, and you know,

577
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: it's been out for three weeks. It already has eight

578
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: million lessons and the maga's are in love with this ship.

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00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: Let's check out a little bit. If a member cooks terrible,

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00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: the racist it probably used to say to encourage immigration,

581
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: just saying all the contradictions, mcy. You know who hates

582
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: a member cut the most Americans? Triggle? So what do

583
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: you what do you think about that? I mean, I

584
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: guess I like predate with just as almost much as

585
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: much like skepticism and contempt of like rap music made

586
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: in good faith in the sense of like coming from

587
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: an authentic place within black culture. Um, that is still

588
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: harmful to black people, I think. I mean a lot

589
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: of the stuff he's talking about harmful to black people

590
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: for sure. A lot of people. I mean, there's I

591
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: can name other artists that are doing it on purpose,

592
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, that are just kind of like reiterating tropes

593
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: that are common within the fair that are still you know,

594
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: not uh, they're not uplifting to to the culture, to

595
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: the community. UM. I think that it's it's obviously like

596
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: a gimmick of like, oh, I'm going to be controversial

597
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: in order to get clicks and so but with with that,

598
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: I just don't feel very impressed. I'm just like, that's

599
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: it's that's low hanging fruit, my dude. Well, actually, he's

600
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: actually like the a culmination of what's been a trend

601
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: for like the last five years, which has been especially

602
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: like on the underground, which is like racist white dudes

603
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: who aren't really like that talented at anything, like musically,

604
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: So they start rapping and it's like they wrapped, but

605
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: they're they're like completely like right wing, you know what

606
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And that's actually like becoming like a thing

607
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: like its own genre. Now, the video for this thing,

608
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: you know its it features you know, him walking on

609
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, a makeshift protests set and you know he

610
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: complains about BLM is the terrorist and you know, we

611
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: can't say what we want and YadA YadA. It also

612
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: features an appearance by a YouTube star, Blair White. I

613
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: don't know what's the best way to describe Blair White.

614
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: Blair White, Yeah, I think she's the trans kind of

615
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: Owens and that like she's she's trans woman that's very

616
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: hot and like and like uses her identity as a

617
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: weapon against or against trans people, like, oh, I'm not

618
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: like other trans people. I don't actually want rights or like,

619
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's very bizarre. Well, I mean she's

620
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: kind of like the alt rights token trans. So like

621
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: if if like if if one of them, if you

622
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: call one of them out on saying some hateful shit

623
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: about trans people, then she's like their cover of like no,

624
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: but I like Blair White, and she says they're evil too,

625
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's like the purpose

626
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: that she serves in the right wing media system ecosystem.

627
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: But I mean, just her featuring in this video, you

628
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like if there was any doubt

629
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: that that uh Tom mcdonald'sgrift there and is kind of

630
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: riding a wave, um her her featuring in the videos

631
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: like the clear cut stamp that that's that's the line,

632
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: the vein that he's in, you know what I mean,

633
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: it's like a human dog whistle. Yeah, exactly, exactly so

634
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: so that we're not going to turn to our conversation

635
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Bailey, UM super inspiring organizer out of New

636
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: York City, Queens specifically, was listening to what he has

637
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: to say about organizing up in Queens and the results

638
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: of the mayoral election both there end up in Buffalo,

639
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Speaker 1: where they elected the first socialist UH of a major

640
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: American city in sixty years. We'll be right back with

641
00:36:51,800 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: that interview after the jump. We're here with Amazonian's United

642
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: co founder, former co chair of the Queen's branch of

643
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: the New York City Democratic Socialists of America, an alumnus

644
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: of the two thousand eighteen campaign for Alexandria Castio Cortes,

645
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: and former candidate for New York City Council in District

646
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: twenty six. Jonathan Bailey. Wow, you have such a resume.

647
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Holy hell, Um, so we're gonna talk about the outcomes

648
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: the New York elections, both mayoral some city council races. Um,

649
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: maybe briefly talk about the victory of Buffalo Socialist mayor

650
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: Electonia Walton, as well as Jonathan's labor organizing and other

651
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: struggles that he has taken on in his activism. So, Jonathan,

652
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: thank you for being here with us today. How you doing. Hey,

653
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: I am so excited to be here. Um. Actually, okay,

654
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: So I had to tell you, uh um. I like

655
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: like when I saw you on Twitter, I was like,

656
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's that lady who like was riding

657
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: the bike and flipping off that one too. Oh I knew,

658
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: I knew. I knew right away. I was like, is

659
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: that lady with the row who's like it's blowing in

660
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: her hair? Like I knew, Like and then she like

661
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: swore in on Malcolm X's biography. I know exactly who

662
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: that is. Like, I was so funny, well ship, well

663
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: that is hilarious. It was the whole thing. It was

664
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: a whole thing. And then all you did you were

665
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: just like in my comments like, oh, come on your podcast,

666
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: like you know, and I was like, oh my god,

667
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: this guy's is so cool, Like, holy shit, I was

668
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: excited to have you. I was like, oh ship, oh ship,

669
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: she doesn't even know. I'm gonna slide in and I'm

670
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: gonna just be her friend and she's not gonna even

671
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: know that I've been geeking out about, like about the

672
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: ship that you all have been involved with, Like, oh

673
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: my god, and talk with us. Yeahs, So tell us

674
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more about yourself. How did you get

675
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: into labor organizing? And I'm particularly curious how that, if

676
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: at all, influence your decision to run for city council. Yeah, well,

677
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: like I mean, for me, like I can to activism,

678
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: like I'm sure like a lot of black collaboration activists,

679
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: like I experienced, like you know, like I was homeless

680
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: during my early adult years, you know, the during the

681
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: Great Recession. You know. Um, actually, like a lot of

682
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: people don't realize this, but it's actually a majority of

683
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: like uh, like a majority of um black boys that

684
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: are in like the foster care system or like go

685
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: through adoption. Like literally a majority of us end up

686
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: homeless h during like our like very early adult years, um,

687
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: which I like actually found out much later. But like

688
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure during the Great Recession. Um that

689
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: was like that was just like a ton of us.

690
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: So like that's kind of like that's kind of how

691
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: I started off my like young adulthood, and like that

692
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: exposed me to like a lot of a lot of

693
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: stuff with police and um, you know that led me

694
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out, okay, like how do we

695
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: do something about this? You know, which of course led

696
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: me to like you know, the Civil rights era, uh

697
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: to like the Black panthers, Uh, you know, through like

698
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: maoism and socialism and like figuring out, okay, like what

699
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: types of politics actually lead to like liberation from police

700
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: violence and you know, what are the different ways that

701
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: that we can fight? Um? Was that a gradual Was

702
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: it a gradual thing or was there like a specific

703
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: moment that kind of that you think, Okay, yeah, this

704
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna start doing now because this stuff

705
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: is messed up. Well, so, like I mean, like for me,

706
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: it was like a bit gradual. I guess, well, because

707
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: like I'm on at the point now where like my

708
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: entire life is kind of like wrapped around Um, I'm sorry,

709
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: hold up one moment I just realized, Um, hold I'm sorry.

710
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so like I mean, like oh, I was saying,

711
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: like I like, I'm kind of now at a point

712
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: where like a lot, like all of my life is

713
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: kind of like built around like activist stuff, and like

714
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: I mean that that's like a process you know. Um,

715
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: but like I still actually like didn't It's not like

716
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: that I wanted to be like an activist or do

717
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: like political stuff. I actually actually wanted to be a

718
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: ballroom dancer. Yeah. That's like I, um, I was going

719
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: to school for uh uh like music ad while also

720
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: um like pursuing like a career within thin ballroom because

721
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: I was like, no, that's what I want to do

722
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: with my life, thank you, thank you. UM. The thing is, though,

723
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: the World Dance Sport Federation UM ended up deciding that

724
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: it wanted to take over the world of hip hop

725
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: you know, like like this yeah, like a multibillion dollar

726
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: industry like born out of the African diaspora. Uh you know,

727
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: like and I mean a lot of people don't know

728
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: this because it's basically like what like country music is

729
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: to Black America, UM, like ballroom dance is to like

730
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know like that like to like dance,

731
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, like a lot of people don't

732
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: know that like basically all of like ballroom dances come

733
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: out of African diaspora. It's like yeah, it's like yeah,

734
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: it's like three of them that don't like if you

735
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: look in like in like the Latin dances like like

736
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: cha cha, Samba, ramba, um pasto comes out of out

737
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: of Europe, you know, posito blay um uh, and and

738
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: then jive as well is like is Black American. But

739
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: like all of those, all of those dances but one

740
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: come out of African diaspora, and even within like ballroom

741
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: like fox starting quickstep come out of Black America um uh.

742
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: And it's only like it's only like waltz and like

743
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: Tano comes out of uh out of Latin America. But

744
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, like foxtrot, like can you can trace the

745
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: origins of foxtrot back to um when uh, when like

746
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: dancing was outlawed on like slave plantations? Um yeah yeah,

747
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: like you know the like the passing of the feet

748
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: um uh is like in foxtrot like that you can

749
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: trace back to uh. You know like like the way

750
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: that dancing was outlawed like how it was like um

751
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: like how those like laws were like codified because like

752
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: dancing at the time then was like to find is

753
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: like crossing of like the feet and the knees and

754
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: so like like like yeah, like our ancestors just being

755
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 1: petty as fun. You're like, okay, you know we're gonna

756
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: do We're gonna pass then the feet. Um. So like

757
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: I mean you can you can like trace like these

758
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: these movements like all throughout like you know, like really

759
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: far back through our history here, like and so it's

760
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: like really cool, right, but like the thing is like

761
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: you would not know any of that, right, So like

762
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: there's all these I never I never learned any of that. Yeah,

763
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: I know. It's super weird and it's super odd, and

764
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: it's like how like basically the way that like uh

765
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: like country music, like people don't like really think or

766
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: like you know, it's not really part of the like

767
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: I know, are like American consciousness that it's you know,

768
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: originates in Black America. But like that's that's uh, that's ballroom.

769
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: It's it's very much like barn out of African Aspara

770
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: and the the Imperial Society of Dance yeah literally has

771
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: the name Imperial within it um. But really yeah, yeah,

772
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: that's yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not it. That's not

773
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: what we want. But the thing is, it's like a

774
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: very old like institution, right and and it's it's it's

775
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: like it's I feel like like for anybody who has

776
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: just like an ounce of like awareness within them, they

777
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: realize how like like uncomfy it is, right, Like I mean,

778
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: at the very least, like you named your like organization,

779
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: you put imperial in then aime. Anyways, anyways, so like

780
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: when the World Dance Sport Federation um, you know, turned

781
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: its sights to like hip hop um. Like you know,

782
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: my partner and I we were like we were we

783
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: were bolden out spoken in the injustice of it, because

784
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: obviously it's like continuing a trend of imperialism, of cultural

785
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: appropriation that has happened for you know, a hundred years again,

786
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: shifting a multibillion dollar industry out of the hands of

787
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: the stewards of it, of that of that art form,

788
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: of the people who like give rise to it and

789
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: have like and and who who have and you know,

790
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: have been been stewards of the art form um into

791
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: the hands of like folks who have been colonizing uh

792
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, art forms out of the African diaspora for

793
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: a hundred years, and so like we were like, okay,

794
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: we're the only people that I know, like you can

795
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: see it and we'll like be able to call it out.

796
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: And so like we went super hard. We were valiant,

797
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: but it definitely made it like like right afterwards, like

798
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: our our like results and competition just tanked like just

799
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: like just compute yeah, yeah, like this is how they

800
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: gonna be like that, how they go hey, like they're

801
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: like they spoke out against our you know, cultural appropriation

802
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: and we went um. So like in ballroom, your results

803
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: don't really shift around that much because it's like based

804
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: upon motor programs, right, Like your motor programs don't change

805
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: like that much. You know, like good day and bad

806
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: day is like like two maybe three different like three placements.

807
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: But like we went from like this this one competition.

808
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: I remember we were third like the year before, like

809
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: uh second or third, and like that like next year

810
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: right after we were like going hard, we like we

811
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: were like second to last. We didn't make it out

812
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: of the quarterfinal, we didn't make it to the semifinal,

813
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: not to mention the final, Like it was like very

814
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: very like clear, like oh you know, and so we're

815
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: like we're just kind of looking at this and we're like, Okay, um,

816
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, a career of like fighting for the type

817
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: of change that we want to see in the world

818
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: isn't really compatible with like with you know, a career

819
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: within uh, you know, the dance industry. And so we

820
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: were like, okay, we should like probably like figure out

821
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: more stuff to do with our lives, and so like,

822
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, like after that time, we like really

823
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 1: I think, you know, dove in a lot more within

824
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: our activism. You know, we had more time on our hands.

825
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: Excuse me, um and uh yeah, I'm coming down, like

826
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: coming back from having a cold, um uh uh but

827
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: um yeah, So yeah, we had more time on our hands,

828
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: and certainly you know, engaged in a lot more activism

829
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: and kind of explored some like different things that we uh,

830
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, we're like trying to figure out, you know,

831
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: what things we wanted to pursue. But yeah, that's that

832
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: really like cleared a lot of time to be doing

833
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: a lot more activism. So when I say that I

834
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: didn't mean to like be an activist, I really mean,

835
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: like I didn't like this wasn't a thing, but it

836
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: became a thing by like the situation you know, um

837
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: uh kind of uh not having you know what when

838
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: like the door closes to what you've been trying to

839
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: do with your life, you know it. It definitely is

840
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: itself like a radicalizing thing, you know. Um. And so

841
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: like a lot of like the politics were there and

842
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: um you know now like the politics and the time

843
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: are like are aligned. And so you know, we've been

844
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: particularly involved with like you know, fighting issues around like policing,

845
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: um you know, uh, issues around like uh you know,

846
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: our car soil system within the US, um, you know,

847
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: issues around like gentrification quite a bit, um you know

848
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: it being New York and everything, um, as well as um,

849
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, like labor issues because you know, um you

850
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: know uh like liberate liberation kind of starts with us

851
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: being able to keep a few more dollars in our pockets.

852
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: So June was the election day and Amazon Prime Day

853
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: and you were running and represent the district where Amazon

854
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: HQ resides. So it talks a bit about some of

855
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: your experiences. Okay, first of all, Like first of all,

856
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 1: like come on, like come on Internet, Like if there's

857
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: something that's like novel is fun, like you yeah, come

858
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: on people. Yeah where are you Internet? Like seriously, Yeah,

859
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: that's let's boost the labor organizer at Amazon who's trying

860
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: to run in the district where Amazon Q two is

861
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: kidding me this okay, but like get this for like

862
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: a total media like freeze out right because like I mean,

863
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: like it's not just that it was the district. Like

864
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, so that fight made the cover of the

865
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: New York Times, right, it's like one of the biggest

866
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: housing fights within our lifetime, like legit, and like like

867
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: the the cover photo on the New York Times is

868
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: me holding a sign like saying no handouts for Yeah. No, no, seriously,

869
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: I am on the cover of the New York Times

870
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: for that fight. Um because like I was like somebody

871
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: saying that fight you're talking about like the city or

872
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: state of New York cutting deals to the Amazon to

873
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: try to track there. Yeah there there okay, yeah yeah,

874
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: yeah no get this. Like I was involved with the

875
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: city council race um uh back inen, like we were

876
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: like we noticed there were like a lot of projects

877
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: being passed right that were like gentrifying the area and

878
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: like so as like kind of uh as kind of

879
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: like a campaign against it. You know, there was somebody

880
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: who like you know it was in the area who

881
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: like wanted to run for city council. And I mean

882
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: it was like a long shot and like you know,

883
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: there wasn't really a chance of winning. But like, um,

884
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: you know he like spoke out against like gentrification, um

885
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: you know uh, and you know, like it made sense

886
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: as like another component to like this campaigning to fight

887
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: a lot of developments that were coming up. Um. And

888
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: so like like me and some there's like there was

889
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: actually like a lot of anarchists in the area that

890
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: like you know we're fighting um uh like you know,

891
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: fighting like different developments that were coming up. And yeah,

892
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: so like we we made like a whole thing of it.

893
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: And I mean, of course, like you know, uh, like

894
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: we lost or that the candidate actually just kind of

895
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: dropped out. Uh. And then like and then like weeks later,

896
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: the current council member wrote a letter to like Jeff

897
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: Bezos saying please please please bring Amazon EACHQ two here

898
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: right right right? Oh no, no no, And then like

899
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: fast forward, um, you know a year and a half, um,

900
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: and um you know, Amazon like has announced that they're

901
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: coming into the district and I'm like looking at this

902
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: stuff and I'm like, home, my gosh, Like the city

903
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: council member Legit wrote Jeff Bezos like a month didn't

904
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: even just like vote yes on the proposal. They were

905
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: like yeah, look in the boots, yeah yeah, yeah. And

906
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: I was like this happened weeks after like like our

907
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: candidate dropped out of the race, and I'm just like, oh,

908
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: my gosh. But like, you know, we've like jumped in

909
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: hard in that fight. Um uh. Queen's d S a

910
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: housing working group like really threw down. Um. And you know,

911
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: lots of other groups in the in the community as well,

912
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: like you know, like really threw down, and like you know,

913
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: all together are like collective efforts. You know, we're able

914
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: to to uh to sway the situation, which is like

915
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: super dope and like yeah and Legit like you know,

916
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: it obviously wasn't like Jonathan defeated Amazon on HQ two,

917
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: But I gotta be on the the well, I gotta

918
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: be on the front page of the New York Times

919
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: for it, and um so like so like like I

920
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: know that, like and im like I've like talked to

921
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: like some journalists from the New York Times because like

922
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, like I know things have been I mean,

923
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: in case you haven't noticed, things have been fucking crazy

924
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: in Queens, Okay, right, like they have been crazy. Um,

925
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: there's been so many things going on here and I've

926
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: been involved with like a lot of it, and so

927
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: like when like like I'm like, okay, come on y'all,

928
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: like this city Council raise like like you know, I'm

929
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: a co founder of amazonic. Yeah, I'm like, come on,

930
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: like and that's why I'm also like Internet where you at?

931
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: Like this novel, Like this is legit novel, Like if

932
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: you don't have to like you don't have to like

933
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: care maybe specifically or even like know what my politics are,

934
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: even like just the novelty of it alone is hilarious.

935
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: Like it's a joke, you know. I'm like, but like

936
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: I know, we were pretty successfully frozen out, like um yeah,

937
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: like nobody nobody wanted to talk about about this, Like

938
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: I know that that and that actually honestly gets kind

939
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: of to the broader like like uh kind of political

940
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: issues and barriers that we met in our race, because

941
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: like I don't know, there's a bazillion reasons to talk

942
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: about it, even if it's just for memes, because it's

943
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: mad hilarious, you know. Um, but like uh we were

944
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: like frozen out just because of like the way that

945
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: it like kind of the like the political significance. I mean,

946
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: like like I'm I've been very very clear that like

947
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm a socialist, you know, I'm like I'm I'm not

948
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: uh here like for social democracy, I want to see

949
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: working people be like liberated all the way. Like you know, workers,

950
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: workers have build the world, and um, you know we

951
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 1: we we deserve to lead it, you know. Um, And

952
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: like like there's still not a very like clear understanding

953
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: of like the difference between like uh like progressives and

954
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: like and socialists. You know, Like I always try to

955
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: tell people like hey, like progressives they like organize people

956
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: to ask people with power to give us stuff, where

957
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: a socialists we organize in such a way in which

958
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: we have power and then we just flex it, you know,

959
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: and like like people would be like okay, like you know,

960
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 1: but like the folks with the power understand these power

961
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: dynamics better than we as like working people do right now. Um,

962
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: And so it's like really easy to like clamp down

963
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: on folks like like me without like people really having

964
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: an understanding of like the political significance of it. Um.

965
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: And so if if you know, um, folks like me

966
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: and kind of just go off and say, Okay, I'm

967
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: gonna fight it, whether I have the support or not, um,

968
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: it can end up being disappointing. Yeah, if you talk

969
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: to them about like what socialism means in municipal politics,

970
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: which the question I often ask myself as well, you know,

971
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: not having the the resources or the authority of the

972
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: federal government to do these like broad restructurings we all

973
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: hope and imagine would happen um with that sort of

974
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: Um yeah, with that sort of authority, but you know,

975
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: there are things you still can do at the municipal level.

976
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: And I was also really curious, um about what anti colonialism,

977
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 1: like how that intersects with municipal politics for you, because

978
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: that's actually something I hadn't thought about. I mean, like,

979
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, I it's something like I'm down for, but

980
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: like in terms of how that translates into policy is

981
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: something I'm still trying to figure out. It's not all

982
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: like official. So for you, UM, how do you see

983
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: those two intersecting in the way the possibilities of municipal politics? Um? Yeah,

984
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: I know, that's so dope. It's a stop that we're

985
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: here right now having this conversation together. By the way,

986
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh nope, things happened so right for

987
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: my life. Uh like I don't know, okay, So like

988
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'd be interested actually to hear like

989
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: what you think about this, but um like so like

990
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: um uh, I'm like trying to remember now like Huey

991
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: and Newton like uh kind of like specified the ideas

992
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: around like uh like international Uh you know, uh what

993
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: what what? What did? When did he call it? Like

994
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm literally reading the Himpie Pano and Reader right now,

995
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: and I'm really ashamed that I can't remember maybe I

996
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: got to that part of the book yet, like uh

997
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, like having him like uh, communities like around

998
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: the world sharing this like this international project you know,

999
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: um international communalism something like that. I can't remember the

1000
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: name of it. So like when I uh, when I

1001
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: first heard it, and I haven't like I haven't done

1002
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: it nearly as much reading as I should have about it,

1003
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: but I like did a while ago. And when I

1004
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: heard that, I just like was so like oh yeah,

1005
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: like that makes so much sense from like the Black

1006
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: American perspective because like like we are, like we we

1007
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: have a national identity in relationships specifically to the struggle

1008
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: against white supremacy. Like you know, um, like black America

1009
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: is you know, it's it's a capital B because it's

1010
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: a national identity. Um. Uh there is like this national

1011
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: identity that his um arisen out of the struggle and

1012
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: fight against white supremacy. Um. Like uh, every everything from

1013
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: like there's a Brazilian cultural markers that are built out

1014
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: of that fight to recreate a sense of identity, uh

1015
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, um, to replace the one that has been

1016
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: stolen from us, and so like like that, like all

1017
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: of those things are like so clear to me, and

1018
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: it's clear like the ways in which we exist also

1019
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: as like a national identity without like you know, an

1020
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: Asian like without or without a state, you know, um,

1021
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: and how we exist within communities across the US, and

1022
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: like how those communities are are colonized and colonial violence

1023
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: is executed on them through the form of of policing,

1024
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, and so like whether um, you know, we

1025
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: might not experience the same type of colonialism that is

1026
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: exercised on UM nations. Uh internationally, you know, we're not

1027
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: we're not colonized on like on you know, nation state borders,

1028
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: but on like you know, the borders of redlining. But

1029
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: like you know, whether it's militarized police or like the

1030
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,479
Speaker 1: regular military, it's like the same people with the same

1031
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: with the same fucking gear like you know, uh like

1032
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: turning that that like that uh force like that colonial

1033
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: violence force on on on us. And then so like

1034
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: for me, it's like really easy just to think about,

1035
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: Like colonialism is just like a phenomenon of like you know,

1036
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: groups of people trying to exercise dominion over over others

1037
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: based upon some facet of their identity, whether that border

1038
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: is drawn uh geographically or racially or on gender or um,

1039
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, on on sexual identity. Like it's all just

1040
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: colonialism and it totally makes sense. Yeah, no, absolutely, Yeah.

1041
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: I had never thought a butt it like that. Like

1042
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: fighting back like against like you know, militarized placing or

1043
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: policing in general, was like, oh, yeah, that's a colonial project.

1044
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: Or like labor exploitation, like oh that's colonial project, Like

1045
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: who is doing you know who colonized subject for the

1046
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: ones who are getting my labor exploited? So like that

1047
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: is that there's the length there it is right there.

1048
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, actually that is super helpful to think about. Yeah, um,

1049
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: we're actually really that time. So I wanted to ask

1050
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: you one last question about the mayor's races, both y'all's

1051
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: in New York City and then one that turned out,

1052
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: in my opinion a little bit better, um in up

1053
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, you know, north of you all. So what

1054
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: are your reactions to both how things shook out in

1055
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: UM in the Big Apple and the election of India

1056
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: Walton to what she won the primary for the Democratic

1057
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: primary for UM mayor up in Buffalo, which I think

1058
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: my understanding is that it's perceived is like more concern

1059
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: have it of upstate but like surprise, surprise, bitch, we

1060
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: gotta fucking socialism. But yeah, what are your thoughts on

1061
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: both of those? Uh? But the way both of those

1062
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: races shook out, well, I mean the New York uh

1063
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: like mayor the primary is like sad and stupid, UM

1064
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: And I mean, okay, so part of it, though, I

1065
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: think it's really important to like acknowledge the role that

1066
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: UM uh that like the nonprofit industrial complex and like

1067
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: with it the specific characteristics of our like professional managerial

1068
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: class UM here in New York exercises over um over

1069
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: electoral politics. UM. It's like that as a thing here

1070
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: in New York is very different than most places. UM.

1071
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: The reason and why, like we have like so many

1072
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: progressive wins um just like right out of the bat,

1073
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: uh has a lot to do with um these like

1074
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: existing uh like power structures being able to um exert

1075
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: themselves electorally for like our our wins um and UM.

1076
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: You know, in in the case of like the mayoral

1077
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: election here, it's just like everybody's like asleep at the wheel,

1078
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: like like we could have done something about it, you know, um,

1079
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: like socialists, especially folks who like kind of draw their

1080
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: their power um outside of like the nonprofit industrial complex.

1081
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we certainly didn't have enough power to really

1082
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: exercise uh any any like, you know, we couldn't really

1083
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: like do much um in terms of trying to to

1084
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: have any kind of outcome on the mayoral race. At

1085
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: least in my opinion, I don't think that we're really

1086
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: at the point where we could do anything but just

1087
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: kind of be like sidekicks, you know. UM. Later in

1088
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: the future, you know, hopefully we'll be able to exercise

1089
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: a lot more UM. A lot more, um, you know, influence.

1090
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: But but basically I look at like the nonprofits and

1091
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yo, y'all just sleep at the wheel, um,

1092
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: because like we didn't need to have Eric Adams. It's

1093
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: just I mean, that's who we got now, because like

1094
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we didn't have anything together for

1095
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: like I mean what my widely ended up being the

1096
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: pick like what like a like a couple of weeks

1097
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: before you know, we're just so all over the place. Um,

1098
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: So I'm just kind of disappointed. It's just kind of sad. Um. Uh.

1099
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: I know it's it's it's hopefully our our city council

1100
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: will be uh you know, I have enough progressives and

1101
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: left us in that that you know we're able to

1102
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: at least fight whatever terrible should he's going to throw

1103
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: at us. What do you think about what happened up

1104
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: in Buffalo? Yo, it's awesome. Like I think we're all

1105
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: stoved about it, right, Like we're all like, oh ship, yeah.

1106
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean like I don't know enough about like, uh,

1107
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: some of the internal dynamics of Buffalo to like be

1108
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: able to call how significant of of a win it is,

1109
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, um, like to what extent, like

1110
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: uh good, like left labor stuff is like the basis

1111
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: of powered for like putting um putting her in UM.

1112
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean that, Like that's the first thing that kind

1113
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: of comes to my mind, is like what is the

1114
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: relationship of like nonprofits and organized labor there and like

1115
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: as well as activists and like who exerted the most

1116
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: uh control and influence to to place her there? And

1117
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: like what is that power dynamic going to look like

1118
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: in the future. But like, I mean, come on, you know,

1119
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: like she you know, she's like hell of working class.

1120
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: Like everything about how she's like come up in uh

1121
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: within organizing and political struggle is so badass. It's just

1122
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: she's dope and it's so awesome that she's on. I think.

1123
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: I think, like I don't know anybody who's like like

1124
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: annoyed about it, because I know that they'll be like

1125
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: I know that there's gonna be like that sort of thing,

1126
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: but like I don't even care. Like it's dope, like

1127
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: like you know, hopefully hopeful, like the power of it

1128
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: is organized well enough in a way that like you know,

1129
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: results in in future winds. I feel like I feel

1130
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of things that uh you know

1131
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,560
Speaker 1: that here in New York that we didn't really like

1132
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: plan for for like our winds and kind of how

1133
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: power would restructure itself out after those wins. UM. And

1134
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,759
Speaker 1: I really hope that they, like I know, we're looking

1135
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 1: and asking questions so that like they don't fall into

1136
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: some of the same pitfalls. Um. And actually, frankly, I

1137
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: don't think that anybody's really talking about that, um because,

1138
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: like I mean, most people won't talk about it because

1139
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: it talking about those things will affect your future career prospects,

1140
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's true, right like, um, But

1141
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: I really I hope that they're like thinking about that,

1142
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: because that will kind of determine, uh it's significant ends

1143
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: um for for the future. I mean like having i know,

1144
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: like having a mayor, but not necessarily like uh like

1145
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: control over the city is like like legislative um, like

1146
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: branch like you gotta have that too. Yeah. Yeah, you

1147
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta, you gotta you gotta capture at all, um,

1148
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: Like I get the whole thing. Yeah yeah, Pokemon go

1149
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: to the falls. Um. Yeah. And I feel like a

1150
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of like leftists outside of big cities,

1151
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, we live down here in the South. So

1152
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: we look to places like New York for like where

1153
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: all the cool stuff happens with regards to like who

1154
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,759
Speaker 1: can get power. But like, but in my actual experience

1155
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, like in big cities, there's these huge

1156
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: political machines. You have these nonprofits that are the sleep

1157
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: of at the wheel of a very very large bus um.

1158
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: And then when you move out to places where the

1159
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, the power structure is less like deeply entrenched. Uh,

1160
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: it's smaller populations um. Places like Athens, Georgia, Like we

1161
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: have like a third of our city council of socialists

1162
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: straight up because like no one was making attention to

1163
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: local politics, and so we like crept in there because

1164
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't like New York City where it's like, oh

1165
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: my god, everyone's it's like a big, big money and

1166
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: all the ship that you have to fight against you

1167
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: don't have that. You can actually sneak in there a

1168
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: lot easier and like get it done. It's dope. No,

1169
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: it's seriously is so cool. And like I mean, I

1170
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: think in a lot of places people don't realize no,

1171
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: like you can do this, you can do this. Uh.

1172
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: In New York it's like I mean like city council

1173
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: races here. You know, if you're not dropping like two

1174
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: d thousand dollars on it, like you know really yeah yeah,

1175
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: if you're not dropping two thousand dollars on it, you

1176
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: know here, it's like you're not going to be competitive,

1177
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: you know. Um you know, Like I'm mean I heard

1178
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: somewhere that the congressional race, uh like for like Alexandria

1179
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: Kasio Cortez, you know, no kacioeen that that there are

1180
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: more voters in that race than there was in uh

1181
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: uh the Buffalo mayoral race. Like so it's like, yeah, yeah,

1182
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: it's like exactly, and that's not and that's actually worse

1183
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: kind of when you have smaller populations, you have fewer

1184
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: people you need to win in order to get in

1185
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: there and make big change. But also I think that

1186
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: that the important and interesting part is that like like

1187
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: there's uh, there's more relationships that aren't already like uh

1188
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: like structured in you know, in a way in which

1189
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: people are making decisions out of their out of their

1190
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: own personal material interests, right like um, you know, like

1191
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: for instance, here in New York, we saw this um,

1192
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: this this group that I actually like you know that

1193
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: as far as nonprofits go, I like a lot more

1194
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: um uh um the like that that just did stuff

1195
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: around like you know, fighting our carceol system, right. Um.

1196
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: But you know there was this uh state assembly race

1197
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: that they just didn't get involved in when um, you

1198
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: know when our our branch are like Queen's d s

1199
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: A was like challenging a state assembly member that you

1200
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: know took police money that you know, like was just

1201
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: not fighting on like these super important issues. And it's

1202
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: like it's their bread and butter stuff as a nonprofit,

1203
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: and we're like, hey, y'all gonna like y'all gonna pull up,

1204
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: are we gonna do this or not? You know, and

1205
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 1: like they just were like nah. And and it's like

1206
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: people don't don't realize the significance of uh of like

1207
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: these types of institutions like just kind of bailing on

1208
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: the fight. Like first of all, people don't understand, you know,

1209
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: they don't understand why that happens. They don't people don't

1210
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: understand the way that the nonprofit industrial complex exists as

1211
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: like a periphery of of like the Democratic Party establishment,

1212
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,839
Speaker 1: you know, And so folks will go from like talking

1213
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, people can literally say abolish the police and

1214
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: then like uh then in a fight where like you know,

1215
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: they're like it's not even like hardcore, it's just about like, hey,

1216
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: let's like win a little bit of change. You know,

1217
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: they'll be like, uh no, you know, we say that,

1218
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: but like I'm not sure of like we're gonna fight

1219
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: for it. You know, like that might not be a

1220
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: situation that we really want to get involved, you know.

1221
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: And it's like people don't get how that warps, uh,

1222
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: the political reality of that like struggle. You know, it's

1223
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: just it's bizarre. It's super bizarre. And in New York City, gosh,

1224
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: New York City get takes care of so much of

1225
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 1: the work of like like providing for the people through

1226
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: nonprofit organizations and so like there's a massive web of

1227
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:19,919
Speaker 1: like these institutions that are reliant on like state support

1228
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: and so like because of it, you have like politicians

1229
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: can like pocket fire. Um uh you know, like people

1230
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: who work for these nonprofits, right, Like I've seen it, right,

1231
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, an activist that works for a nonprofit

1232
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,719
Speaker 1: is like super involved with uh you know, protest against

1233
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: a certain politician and like you know suddenly next day

1234
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 1: they walk into work and they don't got a job anymore.

1235
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, well because like you know, when

1236
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: you have a city like New York with you know,

1237
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: it's hundred billion dollar budget, you know like get so

1238
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: much of its work done through the nonprofits. You know,

1239
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: they act like money from from from government in order

1240
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: to like do that work. Like it becomes really easy

1241
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 1: for that kind of stuff to happen, whereas like in

1242
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 1: the city that doesn't have this like massive nonprofit industrial complex,

1243
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: where like the relationships are based just more upon the

1244
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: way that uh that like capital and like you know,

1245
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: like you know, private capitalists exert dominion over our lives um,

1246
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: and less about how like the state exerts power over

1247
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: our lives for uh you know, for capitalists. You know,

1248
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: it creates a very different political reality. As soon as

1249
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: people are like ready to rebel, like there's not this

1250
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: like vast state apparatus to like hold them in place, right,

1251
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: like their sentiments just like go all over the place,

1252
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: and like then they have like wild consequences within elections,

1253
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: uh um, which is super cool and super badass. And

1254
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean all y'all who are like throwing it down

1255
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: in creating these awesome winds in other cities, even if

1256
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: they're like small cities. It's it's so cool. It's so

1257
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: cool to watch, Like I love seeing it. Like I'm like,

1258
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't want nobody to

1259
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: be like jealous of New York. We got our own

1260
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: like problems that create our own like political realities. You know.

1261
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: When we win here, it's it's important to like understand,

1262
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: Uh is it based upon like working class power that

1263
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: we've built or is it just based upon these already

1264
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: existing uh like professional relationships. And to what extent does

1265
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: that mean a lack of like political commitment to radical change? Right?

1266
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 1: Because Like I mean, I think that like in a

1267
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: lot of these other like towns, when somebody wins, it's

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Speaker 1: for real, Like it's for real, for real. There's not

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Speaker 1: these like weird competing internal uh like political struggles. It's

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Speaker 1: like the people who fought for it, that's all they

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Speaker 1: were there for. Um, they don't have like some also

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Speaker 1: like side interest for their like for for like in

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Speaker 1: an organization that they run. So it's like it's just

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Speaker 1: a different type of political struggles. So yeah, y'all are badass,

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Speaker 1: you know, keep on doing what y'all do. You know,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah, and thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: taking the time to chat with us. Definitely love to

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Speaker 1: have you back sometime and learn more about uh ballroom

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Speaker 1: dancing and also working in Amazon and also uh finding

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Speaker 1: the place all these things. But yeah, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time. Can you tell the people where

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Speaker 1: they can find you? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: supposed to be uh doing that. Um uh you can

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Speaker 1: find uh me on Twitter right now. It's Jonathan for queens,

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Speaker 1: but I will probably switch it back to John Foster

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Speaker 1: bay um j O n f O S T B

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Speaker 1: A I UM, And I think that I don't know,

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Speaker 1: that's probably like the best spot to like find me

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Speaker 1: right now. And I know yeah yeah, best of luck

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Speaker 1: in your future endeavor and we we'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: again one day down the road, catch up with how

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Speaker 1: the fight's going. Thanks so much. That was Jonathan Bailey.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, You guys need to go holler at

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Speaker 1: him on Twitter. He is an infinitely interesting cat, infinitely interesting.

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Speaker 1: Definitely gonna happen back sometimes talk more about fucking ball

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Speaker 1: room culture. Yeah, yeah, I was not joking about that,

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Speaker 1: Like we really like I think that that deserves a

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Speaker 1: deep dive. I think I think we need to we

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Speaker 1: need to look in on make it a joint about that.

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Speaker 1: What do you say? Oh yeah for sure, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's all we got for you this week. Joel smoked

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Speaker 1: motherfucker like it ain't no thing. Ye yeah, yeah, yeah yo.

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all for tuning in while we read the headlines.

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Speaker 1: They don't want us moving up, so we got the

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Speaker 1: red lines. But we'll see you next time when we casting.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait this weeks like I'm fasting and I hate

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Speaker 1: this sort of goodbye, but I hope you all have

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Speaker 1: a good Fourth of July. Bake you a can't go

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Speaker 1: order a pie and order of fries. I've done. I'm

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Speaker 1: dope night. We are waiting on reparations. Listen to Wadding

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Speaker 1: on Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.