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Speaker 2: Hell no, no, no, no, and no. Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: naughty but Nice Show. I'm your host, rap Shooter. It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: which means our dear friend Handsome Garrett Vogel, jos he Answome.

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Speaker 3: Bobby hellour. I feel even though I did not go,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I was at Coachello this weekend just

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Speaker 3: from being tired and I feel dirty, so I listen

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Speaker 3: to music. It probably had a few drinks, so it

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Speaker 3: was like I was at Coachello, but I wasn't. But

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Speaker 3: I looked at it all on my Instagram feed.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's I don't know if that's the best

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Speaker 2: way to start the week tired and dirty. But if

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Speaker 2: you're full of music and memories that didn't actually happen,

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Speaker 2: but nevertheless, talk to your therapist about that. Not me,

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Speaker 2: but if you're full of those happy memories. Sometimes I

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Speaker 2: get that I have to get away from my Instagram

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Speaker 2: because I can scroll and scroll and scroll and get

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Speaker 2: more jealous and more jealous and more jealous, and I

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Speaker 2: have to remind myself that this is an edited version

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Speaker 2: of people's lives. It's not the reality. They only put

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Speaker 2: the highlights of.

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Speaker 1: Get out of here.

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Speaker 2: What but you forget that when you sit there scrolling

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Speaker 2: and scrolling and scroll.

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Speaker 1: I stop now.

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Speaker 2: I give myself maybe ten minutes of scrolling, and then

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Speaker 2: I find myself more miserable than when I started.

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Speaker 1: So I stopped.

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Speaker 3: Yes, no, and I put that filter on Instagram because

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Speaker 3: you can put You know, hey, they tell you pretty much, Hey,

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Speaker 3: why don't you step away from us for a little while?

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Speaker 3: White not but I mean Will Smith was on stage

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Speaker 3: with j Belvin and the Men in Black.

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Speaker 2: Miss that Taylor Swift was there getting hugs in the crowd.

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Speaker 2: You can't miss that.

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Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. I get it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's jump into at show and hopefully give you

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Speaker 2: all a good smile. You're gonna feel better after listening

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Speaker 2: to this. What time is it?

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Speaker 1: My friends? It is tea time.

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Speaker 2: Big story. At the top of the show, O J.

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Speaker 2: Simpsons lawyers and executors of his state are saying that

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Speaker 2: they're going to fight to prevent any money going to

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Speaker 2: the gold Man family. So the Goldman family was awarded

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Speaker 2: thirty three point five million in a civil suit, but

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Speaker 2: OJ has not paid any of that. I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's bloomed up with interest to about one hundred million dollars. Now,

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Speaker 2: OJ's lawyer and executor of his estate. His name is Malcolm.

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Speaker 2: He is saying he's doing interviews where he's saying, my

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Speaker 2: hope is that the Goldmans get zero, nothing, he said,

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Speaker 2: and I want to do everything in my capacity as

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Speaker 2: the executor or personal representative to try and ensure that

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Speaker 2: they get nothing.

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Speaker 1: Oh that feels hard.

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Speaker 3: So jerdy. And you know what, I think you might

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Speaker 3: have seen the story over the weekend too that OJ

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Speaker 3: sneakily over the last you know, dozen years, Anything that

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Speaker 3: he did to make money, it was an all cash offer,

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Speaker 3: so nothing is technically on the book, so you can't

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Speaker 3: done in cash, like almost like a sleazy mafia movie

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Speaker 2: He made no money, which implies that he did it deliberately.

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Speaker 2: He knew what he was doing. He was scamming the system.

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Speaker 2: He had this huge, huge financial settlement waged against him,

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Speaker 2: and he said, no, I'm just not going to pay.

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Speaker 2: It makes me so mad. I don't want to get

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Speaker 2: political on this show, but we've seen recently some big

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Speaker 2: political payouts, and I don't think the victims here will

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Speaker 2: ever see a penny just because you hear somebody gets

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Speaker 2: twenty million dollars or fifty million dollars nine times out

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Speaker 2: of ten. I'm told by my legal friends that you

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Speaker 2: never see any money. All you get are the press

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Speaker 2: releases and you get your name in the headlines and

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Speaker 2: you're vindicated because somebody now owes you all these millions.

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Speaker 2: But the chance of you getting them it's not good.

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Speaker 3: No, the court of public opinion, you're either filthy rich

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Speaker 3: but the reality, like you said, it doesn't really happen.

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Speaker 3: You might get a sliver of something like that, or

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Speaker 3: but you don't get that. You'll never see one hundred

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Speaker 2: It makes me sad.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm being naive here.

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Speaker 2: I have some girlfriends who have had child support from

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Speaker 3: You hate to hear that. But on the other side

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Speaker 3: of it, where this OJ story is, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: see the Goldman family maybe just going after the book

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Speaker 3: publisher that the book is at, because that's where you

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Speaker 3: got to just find them. It's weird to say find

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Speaker 3: the money trail, but anything that is, that's what it

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Speaker 3: is associated with him, that his estate is making money.

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Speaker 3: That's where that's where you go after it.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think what's really difficult here

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Speaker 2: is what you said. That report is by Ollie Coleman,

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Speaker 2: a friend of mine. Hey, Olli hello, e La hello.

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Speaker 2: Listens to the podcast. He's a brilliant reporter and it

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Speaker 2: was so eye opening. He said that OJ would basically

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Speaker 2: sign anything if you gave him cash. If you gave

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Speaker 2: It didn't have to be football related. He'd sign a

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Speaker 2: that's really hard to trace, but there's got to be

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Speaker 2: a way. It's twenty twenty four. If we can put

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Speaker 2: talk about maybe flying cars one day, there has to

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Speaker 1: I'm not being here.

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Speaker 3: There's something. But just like the storyline of this OJ's

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Speaker 3: life in general, I believe the guy or maybe one

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Speaker 3: of the members of his estate who has said they're

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Speaker 3: not getting an ounce of money. Oh J robbed him,

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Speaker 3: you know, you know years ago. Yes, the man that

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Speaker 3: OJ robbed is now protecting said man that is now

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Speaker 3: passed away. Life is so freaking weird at times.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, people that that in a certle I would

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Speaker 2: hope that the executors who you choose, you pick the

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Speaker 2: executors of your estate. Pick me, Garrett, you can be

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Speaker 2: my executor, because I want somebody really decent in charge,

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Speaker 2: because when I go, I don't want to leave this

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Speaker 2: world in an awful way. I want to leave doing

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Speaker 2: the right thing. And it felt to me as if

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Speaker 2: till the very last minute, even if you believe OJ

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Speaker 2: is innocent, and I don't, but I know some of

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Speaker 2: the listeners. I know of people people that do. But

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Speaker 2: even if you believe that this was still a court

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Speaker 2: ordered and thirty three point five million. You can't accept

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Speaker 2: which brings us to our pole question of the day.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear what you think about this?

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Speaker 2: Naughty is pole question of the day. Ojay's estate is

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Speaker 2: saying that the Goldmans will get zero nothing. Our question

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Speaker 2: is should the family fight? If you were the Goldman's,

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Speaker 2: would you fight or is this just another battler you

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Speaker 2: picking the scab off the wound one more time. You're

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Speaker 2: probably never gonna see this money, but would you fight?

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Speaker 2: back tomorrow to hear your results.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Garrett Love, what are you?

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about love?

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Speaker 1: Or like? Thereof of course?

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Speaker 3: In Black Bachelor, remember them? I mean the first I

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Speaker 3: loved their old I love people falling in love. They

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Speaker 3: pretty much just redid the you know, they took a

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Speaker 3: different spin on the Bachelor, but with all grandmas and

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Speaker 3: grandpa's out there. Uh so Jerry and Teresa they're not

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Speaker 3: They're not going to make it. They're they're getting a

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Speaker 3: divorce after what three months of of engagement slash marriage. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, Jerry wanted uh he wanted out of the

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Speaker 3: interesting thing was, you know the story that we're getting

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Speaker 3: you know, they'll just end up on another reality show.

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Speaker 3: But you know, the age that these two are at,

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Speaker 3: you kind of like you want them together, you know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted them to I wanted them together. I

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Speaker 2: had a televised wedding. Yes, Like at some point, wouldn't

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Speaker 2: you say to ABC, oh, maybe we should put that

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Speaker 2: that they both were just so into the fame of this,

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Speaker 2: my sources are saying that if he didn't get married,

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Speaker 2: that would all just dribble away. But the problem is,

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Speaker 2: it's not about getting married. It's about the next day

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Speaker 2: and the next day. You don't have to be on

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Speaker 2: TV to do that. If you don't want to see

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Speaker 2: me a week after our wedding, then we probably shouldn't

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Speaker 3: That's the part too, where I think people realize after

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Speaker 3: the fact that once the glitz and the glamor of

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Speaker 3: where cameras that that's Jerry emailing me. Now where cameras

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Speaker 3: we don't have to we don't have to whisper or

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Speaker 3: we don't have to play it the camera. This is weird,

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Speaker 3: you know, Like I think if the camera stayed with

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Speaker 3: them twenty four to seven, we might still have a marriage,

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Speaker 3: even though it might be for you. But here's the thing,

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Speaker 3: hear me out, ABC, I'm talking to you right now.

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Speaker 3: If you're working for ABC or near the production of

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Speaker 3: The Golden Bachelor, how dare you if you give us

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Speaker 3: Jerry for round two of He Needs to Find Love?

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Speaker 3: If you give that to us, I don't know what

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Speaker 3: to do. You know when a friend gets married for

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Speaker 3: the second time and you're like, I want my money back, Like,

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Speaker 3: how do I get.

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Speaker 1: My money money from ABC?

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Speaker 2: I want hours back I spent. I was watching these

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Speaker 2: two forward enough, I watched the wedding. I was so

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Speaker 2: But it just it makes me mad. I'm told ABC

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Speaker 2: to the Naughty but Nic Show and Rob Shooter with

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Speaker 1: Hey, Garrett, let's get to the polls. Thank you, darlings.

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Speaker 2: Last yew, we talked about Chloe Kardashians. Social media has

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Speaker 2: Remember all those rumors that Chloe is not really a Kardashian,

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Speaker 2: And now I love this. It's time for any of

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Speaker 3: Well did you get to see Ryan Gosling hosting snl

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Speaker 1: Love? It was?

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Speaker 3: I had My stomach was hurting, Like you know, when

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Speaker 2: He's a good, good guy. All the reports I hear

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Speaker 2: fitting in to your potential spouse's life, which means their family.

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Speaker 2: Do you fit in with their routine. Part of the

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Speaker 1: This is the nicest of the day, Garrete. But ultimately

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Speaker 1: overall you fitted beautify O. Toad.

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Speaker 2: Naughty is the day? Naughty, Naughty, naughty. O. J. Simpson's

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Speaker 2: book If I Did It has skyrocketed to number one.

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Speaker 2: There is nothing more to say about that, and naughtyous.

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Speaker 1: That the day.

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Speaker 2: Let's end with a moment of rub. You're gonna rob you, Robb,

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Speaker 2: be good room. You don't lose your motivation. What you

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Speaker 2: So remind yourself all the time. Why are you doing this?

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Speaker 2: If you wanna lose some weight? Why are you doing it?

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Speaker 2: If you want to go back to school? Why are

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Speaker 1: In life?

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Speaker 2: If you can figure out the why, the fight gets

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Speaker 2: a lot easier. Hey, that is it for today. Thank

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Speaker 2: with Robin Garrett Show, a production of iHeart Radio. Don't

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Speaker 2: remember all together. Now, if you're going to be naughty,

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Speaker 2: you gotta be nice, take care of everybody pitat.

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Speaker 1: It's not even nice with Rob