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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with

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Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice.

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Speaker 2: Davey Kent, and Jennifer Fessler. Been Bob here still with

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Speaker 2: the Dirty Rush Podcast. We have some incredible guide callers

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Speaker 2: calling in to share their perspective on the sorority life.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to them now.

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Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna welcome our next caller to the show.

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Speaker 3: Let's welcome in Rod.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Rod, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 5: Guys, sorry, my phone's blown up. Must be the name.

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Speaker 6: Weird.

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Speaker 5: He wants me to get his cat from his basement

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Speaker 5: to creep.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it sounds like a guy. First of all,

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Speaker 3: what kind of neighbor has a cat these days? I mean,

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Speaker 3: aren't we all dog people to this? I mean, what

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Speaker 3: do we do with cats?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't have a cat anymore. But I

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Speaker 5: used to have a cat before Mitten's was run over

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Speaker 5: by a car.

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Speaker 1: If you oh my lord, so before we rubbed salt wound.

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Speaker 1: I used to be a cat guy.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I understood everyone. Everyone moves on for one

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Speaker 3: reason or another. I'm surely so, Rod, let's talk about this.

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Speaker 5: So we're uh, we're here.

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Speaker 3: The show is called dirty rush. And we're talking about

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Speaker 3: our college experiences, both you know, as perhaps members of fraternities,

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Speaker 3: but also with different sororities and what really you know,

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Speaker 3: drew us to those sororities and et cetera. You know,

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Speaker 3: what was your experience like and uh and what sororities

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Speaker 3: were like the top houses where you were.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of what I was in a I

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Speaker 1: was in a fraternity, so I didn't you know, I

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Speaker 1: only got to see the sororities from afar. They wouldn't

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't talk to me so much.

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Speaker 3: But it were you were a g D that they

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Speaker 3: got the gd S No, g D I.

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Speaker 1: S No, those are those are those? Those are the

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Speaker 1: people that didn't talk to anybody. I only got to talk.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I talked to my fraternity. We love dudes.

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Speaker 1: It was like we were lucky if we had girls

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Speaker 1: come over and say hi to us. For that part,

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Speaker 1: I was no. The guys were great. I was in

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Speaker 1: a fun house.

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Speaker 5: But I think you know, as far as relates to

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Speaker 5: my school, Indiana University, it was hoo'siers.

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Speaker 2: I'm an Indiana grad.

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Speaker 1: That's right, goeah, who's your daddy? That's what my master

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Speaker 1: would always say.

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Speaker 2: To me, what, uh, wait, time out. What year did

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Speaker 2: you graduate?

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Speaker 5: I graduated in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you're a recent relatively recent graduate. Any familiarity

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Speaker 3: with the house from where they on campus?

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Speaker 5: Still, Oh, of course there were. They had a lot

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Speaker 5: of fun chemicals going on upstairs.

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Speaker 1: They were all they're all I think they're all aspiring

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Speaker 1: pharmaceutical majors. I'm sure interesting.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, we're no longer a part of campus.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, it's a beautiful house. I think they inspired

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they inspired sixteen hundred.

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Speaker 5: Pennsylvania in Washington. I think that's I think the White

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Speaker 5: House medication said, you know, this is this is this

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Speaker 5: isn't this isn't bad. Let's see what we what we

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Speaker 5: should go with. Let's do that.

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Speaker 3: Like it?

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Speaker 5: I like it? So what's the alties? Were the big

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Speaker 5: ones when you were there? We're talking like big guys,

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Speaker 5: and like I.

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Speaker 3: Think we're talking like the more popular perhaps I hear it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so not like the Taco bell three am, Well

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Speaker 5: I got you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, yeah, big popular, I mean a fee kind

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Speaker 1: of timeless.

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Speaker 5: There was had a lot of good friends in g FI.

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Speaker 1: They were really fun pi Fi, the Angels Uh, my

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Speaker 1: mom was a pie fight.

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Speaker 5: Not there, but I like to think there is, you know,

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Speaker 5: pi fight every school.

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Speaker 1: They always they got like sleeper cells, like they can

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Speaker 5: They're always fun, but there's a little bit of psycho

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Speaker 5: in there. So any given day like kind of that

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's really fun in college. It gets it

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Speaker 1: gets interesting out of college because it would just be

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Speaker 1: like a Tuesday night and you're like, wait a second,

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Speaker 1: I just I just want to watch the game, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like come on.

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Speaker 5: But no, they were.

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Speaker 1: Pie fis were great. You know we I only heard

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Speaker 1: that You might have heard this, Ben, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: have the pleasure of interacting with But I did hear

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Speaker 1: the tale of such at Indiana.

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Speaker 5: I think they were something.

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Speaker 1: And then I think they actually got squeezed out by

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Speaker 1: the university because they too were into their pharmaceuticals and

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Speaker 1: so they were that they probably they probably weren't FDA

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Speaker 1: approved ready, you know, to be on the shelves as CBS.

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Speaker 5: But I think they were really good at pushing medicine

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Speaker 5: around campus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what house were you in at Indiana?

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Speaker 1: I was a Phi Capasi. I guess I still I

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Speaker 1: still am Phi capa psi fide.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, those those guys are great.

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Speaker 1: We actually had a interesting little deal here because before

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Speaker 1: I got there, five said apparently.

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Speaker 5: Was well what you call top house. And then they

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Speaker 5: they gotten little snap foo with.

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Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know. They had a couple of animals

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Speaker 1: come in during pledge. It like like farm animals that

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if that was allowed.

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Speaker 5: And they got booted.

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Speaker 1: And so Sigma Kappa was actually the sitting resident at

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Speaker 1: the fraternity house. And when I got there, there was

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Speaker 1: a bidding war. I believe this, This is like it

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Speaker 1: was political. There was a bidding war for who gets

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Speaker 1: to be in the fire side house. And so right

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Speaker 1: when I was pledging where I was pledging in a

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Speaker 1: parking garage because that's where h Q was, they got

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Speaker 1: the rights of the house back.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they had.

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Speaker 1: They had they had a we'll call it uh base

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Speaker 1: Operation Charlie for all you call of duty players. Out

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Speaker 1: Post Delta is where we were at. And so we

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Speaker 1: moved over one day to the big house and it

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Speaker 1: was and it was spotless because those girls were clean.

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Speaker 1: And it took us about a week before that place

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Speaker 1: was filthy. It was a pig sty playing a welcome week.

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Speaker 1: We set off the fire alarm about every other weekend,

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Speaker 1: and then we got a letter from the dean basically

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Speaker 1: said no more like you, never again.

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Speaker 5: And I looked at that. I was like, never, what

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Speaker 5: happens if there was like a real fire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so never again, never again?

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Speaker 5: Really exactly, Dean Warmer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now the two of you. I think this is

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Speaker 2: one of my fondest memories of sororities. The food, you know,

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Speaker 2: it was strategic when I was there to make friendships

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Speaker 2: with great people that were real friends, but also to

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Speaker 2: get them to invite you for lunches because it was

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Speaker 2: convenient to walk to for class. The fraternity house food

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Speaker 2: was was terrible. A few meals were edible. Others weren't

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Speaker 2: sorority houses you walk into. And when I said this originally, Rod,

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Speaker 2: I said, we're going to talk about fraternity houses and

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Speaker 2: sorority homes. I mean it, sorority felt like a home

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Speaker 5: They just felt.

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Speaker 2: Better to be in than where I was living.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I I never walked around my house barefoot. Ever,

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Speaker 5: you know, in the sorority home right, there was definitely a.

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Speaker 1: Sense of like, oh, someone's mom was just here. But

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Speaker 1: the food, I am gonna I am gonna disagree with

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Speaker 1: you for one second because the food at sorority houses.

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Speaker 1: You gotta understand, like we're in a new era of

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Speaker 1: woman where it's like everything is organic and everything is like,

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Speaker 1: you know, green, and like there are no vegetables in Indiana,

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Speaker 1: but they still found a way to ship them out

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Speaker 1: to the PI Fi house and so it was like

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Speaker 1: kale biscuit and like the superfoods that sucked. And me,

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Speaker 1: he had an actual like our chef was right out

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Speaker 1: of prison because there was like a good pipeline from

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Speaker 1: I think Scott County Prison to Indiana foods.

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Speaker 5: Cirumstance.

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Speaker 7: That's fair.

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Speaker 2: You're not wrong.

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Speaker 5: So I think I think.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, but I know one of

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Speaker 1: his best courses at prison was fried Fridays. And so

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Speaker 1: every Friday we just had cheese, french fries and chicken tenders.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was and that was it.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't recall having the best diet there,

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Speaker 1: but it was.

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Speaker 5: It was a lot of good eating.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're not wrong. I remember, Yeah, so much

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Speaker 2: fried food at Indiana. I mean I'm from Indiana also,

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Speaker 2: so I grew.

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Speaker 5: Up in the Carmel area or what part of.

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Speaker 2: Indiana, No, Northern Indiana or saw Indiana or saw Okay, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I'm from the north north part of the state.

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Speaker 2: We have fried food there. I want to give a

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Speaker 2: quick shout out to the Zetas. They happily fed me

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Speaker 2: for lunches and they were a nice group of people,

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Speaker 2: and it was always enjoyable to go over there. I

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Speaker 2: always also felt like a sense of pride. I'd like

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Speaker 2: when I would sit there at lunch. They had these

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Speaker 2: big windows that overlooked or that the street that was

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Speaker 2: busy with students walking past would could look inside. And

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Speaker 2: I always made sure I sat by the window just

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Speaker 2: in case one of my friends walked by and he

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Speaker 2: saw me, you know, sitting in there eating lunch with

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Speaker 2: all of the Zetas. It always gave me a sense

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, for sure, like like look at me. I

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Speaker 5: made it kind of.

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Speaker 2: A yeah I made it. You guys can't come into

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Speaker 2: this party, but I'm inside enjoying myself with a nice

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Speaker 2: cup of tea, and you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, one could only dream.

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Speaker 1: I never saw the inside that house except for when

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Speaker 1: they did. I was never invited like that of course

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Speaker 1: was that was too too kind.

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Speaker 5: They had fundraisers.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys remember like at the beginning it would

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Speaker 1: have been like pasta nights, like the PASA feeds. You know,

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Speaker 1: they were all like, did anybody could go? You spend

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Speaker 1: ten bucks and anybody could go. But I remember that

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Speaker 1: we would all, uh, we found a loophole where one

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Speaker 1: guy paid and got the wristband.

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Speaker 5: He would kind of just like, yeah, we.

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Speaker 1: Give the risk. We have the biggest guy go pay.

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Speaker 1: So some guy with like a ginormous rest.

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Speaker 5: He would get.

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Speaker 1: And I think after that they saw it and so

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Speaker 1: years later they probably changed it to the stamp method

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Speaker 1: because he couldn't feel off. But I remember I I

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Speaker 1: didn't pay it.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm outing myself.

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Speaker 1: I did. It was Aaron's spirit like eating.

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Speaker 5: But we didn't. I didn't. I didn't help raise any funds.

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Speaker 2: No, it's college. Nobody has money. Rod. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 5: Next level guys. Thanks.

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Speaker 3: So our next guest on Dirty Rush, We're gonna call

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. So Ben and I have been

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Speaker 2: And were you.

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Speaker 6: I was a cow guy.

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Speaker 3: My wife was a Kappa at Calne as I recall

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Speaker 5: Were they one of your favorite sororities as well?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely? Yeah, I dated and we're friends with many many

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Speaker 6: They had a cool confidence that was kind of uncommon,

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I got to know people very well. And

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Speaker 2: Now, you two are both very handsome men. I'm assuming

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Speaker 6: There was one instance where there was a girl who

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Speaker 5: Sadly, Bob, Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: I didn't really know what that question meant when you

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Speaker 3: I think I might have had a similar situation to that,

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Speaker 5: It can happen.

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Speaker 2: The The interesting thing here is the dynamics with in

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Speaker 6: I think you just had to be a little bit

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Speaker 6: Amy in college in general was I'm not surprised where

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I cannot imagine Amy Sugarman and a sorority. I

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Speaker 2: You know, I've really learned that a few houses stand

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Speaker 2: We're all insecure in our own ways. We're trying to

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Speaker 2: Who you were to them, Yeah, you know how you

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Speaker 3: Right, No, I agree, I agree with you, man.

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Speaker 5: It has been nice to hear.

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Speaker 3: That been kind of a recurring theme.

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Speaker 2: Our next caller is a avid listener to the Dirty

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Speaker 2: Rush podcast, a huge fan of the show, and very

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Speaker 2: excited to be here. Cruz welcome.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 5: CRUs.

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Speaker 2: You're here because you care about sororities and fraternities. Can

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it probably stems from my dad. He

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Speaker 4: So it's kind of just a legacy thing for me

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Speaker 2: So what fraternity is it?

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Speaker 7: It is Beta Beteita Pie.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the Beta Theta Pies.

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Speaker 2: It's good. It's a good one. Now we're really here

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Speaker 7: Mind, uh drama probably what else?

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Speaker 7: Fun? Sororities are fun?

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Speaker 5: Bob?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I do. I mean, you know, there is a

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Speaker 2: Cruz, we're talking today about some of our top sororities.

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Speaker 2: If you had a top sorority that comes to mind

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Speaker 4: I think Theta was probably who we hung out with

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Speaker 4: obviously our sister sorority was Pifi, so would have to

447
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 4: show love to them as well.

448
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 7: But to me, those are the ones that come to mind.

449
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: And then which ones where would you stay away from?

450
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: Maybe didn't hang out with as much.

451
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 4: Didn't get to interact with, tried out a lot, or

452
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 4: Faimu I would say, tried out Cappa, Delta KD. We're

453
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 4: probably the ones we interacted with least.

454
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: And is that just based on kind of the where'd

455
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: you to school?

456
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 7: I was to school at University of Washington.

457
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: Is that just because of the setup of the school

458
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: or is that because the social hierarchy or what was

459
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: the reasoning?

460
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both.

461
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 4: It's a smaller Greek system at UB, so it's it's

462
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 4: everybody knows everybody, So it's not like we didn't know

463
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: them and we didn't interact with them, but it was

464
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 4: just kind of like what we would do, who would

465
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 4: we would associate with when we were going out? You know,

466
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 4: we liked the same things as the theaters and the

467
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 4: Pie five, so we were just drawn to them more naturally.

468
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 4: And also from a geographical standpoint, their houses were right

469
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: next to us, and at you DUB, everyone lives in

470
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 4: the house starting from day one as a freshman going

471
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 4: through junior year, so that's kind of unique. And they

472
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 4: were right next to us, so it's you know, it's

473
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 4: really easy to pop over and just say what's up

474
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 4: after classes and whatnot.

475
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 5: So that's the second time we've heard this.

476
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 3: The proximity thing is like a big deal, right. I

477
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: think it's going to be university specific on that one too. Like,

478
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: like Cruse said, you know, they were a smaller Greek system,

479
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: so being right next door making it easy. I mean,

480
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 3: I think any fraternity and any sorority living next door each.

481
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 5: Other are going to hang out for a perfuse.

482
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: Right, But like when it's a smaller collection of people

483
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: than that, proximity really probably helps a great deal.

484
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: The thing that I loved about university was the dorm life.

485
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: I thought the dorm life was one of the best

486
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: things ever. There's benefits to Greek life, and there's benefits

487
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: to everybody moving out of the dorms, But the thing

488
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: that I loved about being in the dorms was that

489
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: everybody was equal. You didn't you know, everybody had the

490
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: same living situation. You had to live in a dorm.

491
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 2: Your freshman year, there was you know, all of us

492
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: were compact on top of each other. We had a

493
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: co ed dorm, so that was always the shuffling of

494
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: you know, who was taking the showers when, and how

495
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 2: weird was it, you know, to be doing that whole dance.

496
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: Just a really like fun time, honestly. So it's interesting

497
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: to me to think that you would live in the

498
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: fraternity house starting freshman year. Was that a benefit to

499
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: you when it comes to your relationships or sororities or

500
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: do you feel like you missed out on that you

501
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: know what's common, which is a dorm life.

502
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I would say there's pros and cons ub

503
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 4: is very unique in that because of the size and

504
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 4: just I think tradition with the school you move in

505
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 4: right away into the fraternity, but they do it in

506
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 4: a unique way where both stories and fratorneys have these

507
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: things called port for the new incoming class. So for guys,

508
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 4: we had a porch and op fraternity and it was

509
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,239
Speaker 4: one room and it's military style bunks and you have

510
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 4: all thirty guys living in the same room, sharing everything

511
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 4: and it's like your communal space. And the girls had

512
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: the same thing in their sororities. So it kind of

513
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 4: takes what you're talking about in the dorms to a

514
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: whole new level where you're like really packed on top

515
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 4: of each other. So it was a lot of fun.

516
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 4: But obviously it has you know, it's pros and cons.

517
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 4: You're not like living on the same floor as girls

518
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 4: or sorority girls, so it's uh, yeah, I would say

519
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 4: it has pros and cons.

520
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: Bob, this is a question for the two of you.

521
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 2: You know, little background crews. Bob did marry somebody who

522
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: is a part of a sorority, a really great sorority

523
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: at that. I'll start with you, Cruse, because Bob's married.

524
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: He found his incredible wife. Cruz. If now at this

525
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: point in your life you meet somebody who is a

526
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: partist of a sorority that you're just like had a

527
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: really bad taste in your mouth about in college, would

528
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: that throw you off when it comes to a future

529
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: with her, or would that come to play at all?

530
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it would be on the back

531
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: of my mind at some point, But at the end

532
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 4: of the day, we're all different people in college than

533
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 4: we are postcrad. I think, you know, I myself liked

534
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 4: to party and I wouldn't want someone holding that against me,

535
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 4: and if about things that I did in college, So

536
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,239
Speaker 4: I would approach it with an open mind. But you know,

537
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 4: it's definitely still there lingering.

538
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: Bob, would you have taken a second, you know, thought

539
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: if the sorority that was mentioned wasn't one that you

540
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: had fond memories of, you.

541
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: Know, I don't know. I mean, it's funny when you

542
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: asked Cruz that question, I was thinking. I was like,

543
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 3: did I care? I honestly didn't even care when I

544
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 3: met Kenyon. I was forty when I met her, right,

545
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: So at that point I was like, oh, whatever, but

546
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 3: I won't I won't lie.

547
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 7: It did kind of.

548
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: It was a pleasant surprise when she was like, oh yeah,

549
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: I was. I was a Kapa and I'm like, no way.

550
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 7: And we always had that with the.

551
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 3: Cappus, you know, so there was like that that kind

552
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: of positive reinforcement, I guess in a way where I

553
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: was like, oh, kidding, you know what, she'd probably be

554
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 3: friends with a lot of my friends from college who

555
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: are Cappus, you know, or whatever. In my mind not

556
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 3: and there again not saying that everyone's alike that's in

557
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: a fraternity or sorority by you know, by.

558
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: Three Greek letters assigned to it.

559
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: But but yeah, it was. It was a pleasant surprise.

560
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: And and I'll say, like then you then you tack

561
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 3: on like when I when I first met Sugarman, which

562
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: was around that same well, I guess no, it's it

563
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 3: was a suitor that I knew Sugarman, but knowing she

564
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: was a Kappa cal cal you know Kappa, and finding

565
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: out the canyon was, I was like, hey, you know,

566
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: this is an interesting connection. So yeah, I think I

567
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: think there is there's a positive or that negative reinforcement

568
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: probably that comes with it, but it doesn't necessarily define

569
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: who you think that person is going to be.

570
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 5: At that point.

571
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: Cruise, I got a final question for you. Yea, when

572
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: you think back on your time at the University of Washington,

573
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: you think about specifically your time in the fraternity associating

574
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: with the sororities, what memory comes to mind that kind

575
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: of encapitulates it all.

576
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, I think this would be a week one

577
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: freshman year. Everyone has just recently moved into their fraternity

578
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 4: of aurority and you've got the big first on campus

579
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 4: game day Saturday morning. Usually it's the they schedule some preseason,

580
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: but usually this is like the first big one. And

581
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: there's a tradition that we do every year at the

582
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: University of Washington where you wake up early on that

583
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 4: Saturday morning before any of the pretty gaming or drinking

584
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 4: has begun, and you grab all the pots and pans

585
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: in your fraternity and you walk over to your sister's

586
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 4: sorority house and you wake them up at six am

587
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: and you're going down the hallways, going in the rooms,

588
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 4: banging the pots and pans, and they have no idea

589
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: it's coming, and they're coming out like in their pajamas,

590
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: just woking up and seeing all these new guys from

591
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: the returning for the first time. And then slowly, like

592
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 4: over the years, you get to like become best friends

593
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 4: with some of these girls and eventually you know whether

594
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: you're in relationships with them or whatnot. But like that,

595
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 4: that's like the first memory of like the meeting point

596
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: for everyone. So I think that's really cool and also

597
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 4: really funny.

598
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it. It would feel to me like an

599
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: adrenaline rush too. You're already excited to be at university,

600
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: you're excited to be in your house, and you're excited

601
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: to meet the girls, and now this is the way

602
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: you do it in this like very drama. I get it.

603
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: It would fit to be this incredible memorable experience. Cruz,

604
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us today. Thanks for talking about your

605
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: experience in Greek life. We appreciate it and we wish

606
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: you the best.

607
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, of course, thanks for having me on.

608
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 5: Thanks cruise, Bob.

609
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: You asked me the question, what if I learned so far,

610
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: what have I taken from this? I want to throw

611
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: it right back to you as we close up.

612
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I feel like.

613
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: It's interesting, right because everyone goes through their experience with sororities, opternities,

614
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: and I'm sure they come out the other side of

615
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: it richer in some ways, whether it's a full a

616
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: full run, or whether it's a shortened experience you know,

617
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: like yours was, or whatever it might be. I mean,

618
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: I think everyone comes through it with a different experience.

619
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: But one of the things that I felt was kind

620
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: of was kind of interesting almost as a through line

621
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: on the whole thing, was, you know, there were definitely

622
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: some really fun memories and some really you know, fun experiences,

623
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: and a lot of them were tied to the whole

624
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: social experiment that is Greek life, right, So I mean

625
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: from that perspective, you go into this whole situation and

626
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's kind of and it's it's actually

627
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: kind of funny when you think about like when someone

628
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: would say, oh, you were on the Bachelor, why'd you

629
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: have to go on a TV show to meet girls? Right,

630
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: And you're like, uh, that's not exactly why I did it.

631
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: But it's also like that the Greek life. You know,

632
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: one of the things that you always hear is this

633
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: common threat is like, you know, well, I'm not paying

634
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: for my friends, right. It's like the thing people used

635
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: to say about Greek life, and and you know, you

636
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: start hearing it, it's like, I don't think anyone that

637
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: was on this call looked like someone who had to

638
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: pay for a front, right. So at the end of

639
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: the day, they were someone who went into it because

640
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: they wanted to have that social interaction. They wanted to

641
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: make a big school smaller. They everyone has their own

642
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: reasons for wanting to do it. And one of the

643
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: things I thought was really interesting was that everybody that

644
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: was on this call today, even those who weren't in

645
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: Greek life or dabbled and didn't do it are someone

646
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: that I feel like I could be friends with, Like

647
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: someone I feel like I could have a nice friendship

648
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: with and willing to kind of put it out there

649
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: and you know, some fun stories to tell and you know,

650
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: all great experiences. So the college experience is what you

651
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: make it, just like Greek life, it is what you

652
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: make it.

653
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: Right, it is. And you asked a really good question earlier, Bob,

654
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: that I wanted to come back to and answer. When

655
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: I think about my time at school and the people

656
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: I met, I am very thankful. I mean I joked

657
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: about it. I'm very thankful for the Zetas who helped

658
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: feed me lunch and just like really kind of like

659
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: boosting my confidence. I don't know if they even knew

660
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: they were, but just boosting it just by having me

661
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: over that meant a lot to me. Also, the other

662
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: houses that you know, maybe would invite you over to

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Speaker 2: a party when after you know, things went south with

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Speaker 2: my experience. But I also think there was a big

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Speaker 2: attraction to people that were a part of sororities for

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Speaker 2: me because of their ability to get along with other

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Speaker 2: proximity in a fairly competitive environment and do it with

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Speaker 2: like joy and friendship and commitment. I always have found

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Speaker 2: that attractive. It was very important for me when I

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Speaker 2: met Jessica to find somebody that had a deep bench

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Speaker 2: of friends and people that she relied upon, because it's

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Speaker 2: not common for everybody. It's not everybody's story. But I

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Speaker 2: think when you get into the sororities, you could find

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Speaker 2: the people that were the bridge and confrontation and also

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Speaker 2: the gatherer to bring the women together. And that was

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Speaker 2: always such an attractive quality that came out a lot

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Speaker 2: in sororities, and so I do think that stood out

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Speaker 2: more than anything else. That was always very like attractive

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Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, that makes sense. I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 3: I like that answer.

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Speaker 2: Bob and I have been sitting here today talking from

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Speaker 2: a male's perspective on sorority life. If we offended you

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Speaker 2: in any way, we're sorry. We probably didn't even know

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Speaker 2: we did it. We didn't mean to. We also had

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Speaker 2: some incredible guests who are fans of the Dirty Rush

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Speaker 2: show call in, some people that we knew, some people

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Speaker 2: that we don't know, but people that are deeply invested

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Speaker 2: into this show and want to share it with you

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Speaker 2: and share their perspectives with you. So continue to listen

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Speaker 2: in to the Dirty Rush podcast as the regular better

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Speaker 2: host come back very soon. Until next time, I've been Ben,

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Speaker 2: I've been Bob,