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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey we're back, We're black, We're brown, and.
Speaker 1: Hey manrew rock and roll today. I am not mad
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 2: Hey, Nanta, did you get your did you T last night?
Speaker 1: Do you know what? I I had more tea than
Speaker 1: I can take. I have no one sipping on that.
Speaker 1: It's the It's the Megan mancle brand chee.
Speaker 2: I like to talk bland if you ask me me
Speaker 2: while my excent is the worst. Yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 2: so full caveat. I did not get a chance to
Speaker 2: watch all of it because I meant, I didn't know
Speaker 2: what was gonna be so juicy. I thowt they were
Speaker 2: gonna do an interview and I was kind of like, okay,
Speaker 2: so what And then I saw afterward that everybody was
Speaker 2: going crazy and I had to wait till today, and
Speaker 2: I just started watching it today. So you're gonna have to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, really fill me with like the main stuff.
Speaker 2: But the things that I did see, I was like
Speaker 2: a New Saints.
Speaker 1: I love that you assumed that I did watch the
Speaker 1: entire thing, which is true. I had that shit DVRD
Speaker 1: like I actually, we never use our cable, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: give me that remote. I couldn't even find the regular
Speaker 1: TV remote. I was like tearing apart the living room
Speaker 1: looking for it, and I was like, how do you
Speaker 1: record something? Quick? Quick? Quick? And I was so afraid
Speaker 1: because the mom brain is so intense that I even
Speaker 1: had to send. I did an additional Apple like reminder,
Speaker 1: remind me at six at seven fifty five that the
Speaker 1: Meghan Markle and Oprah specials on. And when the alert
Speaker 1: came up, it said the opera specials. So that's why
Speaker 1: I know. But I was like, what, oh, yes, let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's go. This's like right after what do I get?
Speaker 1: I sat down and watched two hours with commercials, and
Speaker 1: you know what, if you're watching it live last night
Speaker 1: with me, you I actually needed those commercials, like just
Speaker 1: for me and my cousin Anna to just like, you know,
Speaker 1: go back and forth and check Twitter or whatever. But
Speaker 1: it was big. It was big, big, big, yeah.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: I felt very emotional watching it, way more than I
Speaker 1: thought I would.
Speaker 2: So I'll share with you, like the things obviously that
Speaker 2: everybody's kind of sharing, like the discussion of what Archie's
Speaker 2: skin color might be. Who do you think said that.
Speaker 1: I know they were so right. So Meghan, what I
Speaker 1: liked about the interview was she went on first for
Speaker 1: the first hour or so, and then Harry came on
Speaker 1: later and she teased it. Well, she didn't tease it. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, she just said these conversations were had.
Speaker 1: And then I could tell when Harry came on later
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I'm definitely not going to say that.
Speaker 1: It's way too damaging to that person.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it could have been anyone of the
Speaker 1: royal family. But if they're so afraid to damage them,
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, William or like his dad.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I.
Speaker 2: Feel I think felt like Prince Charles, because one thing
Speaker 2: I did read this morning is that Harry cleared up
Speaker 2: that it was not the Queen and it was not
Speaker 2: Prince Philip, like, it was not the grandfather, that's it.
Speaker 2: So he made that very very clear. But you would
Speaker 2: think like that he would be like, it wasn't my brother,
Speaker 2: it wasn't my father. I don't like Prince Charley. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say it.
Speaker 1: I don't really ever think about I mean, I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: the one thing that the interview made me realize is
Speaker 1: anything I've ever read about the Royal family has just
Speaker 1: probably been a lie. So for me, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how I feel about any of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have watched The Crown, and honestly, I
Speaker 1: was throughout watching The Crown, I was constantly sort of
Speaker 1: inwardly embarrassed, like dang, I didn't know all that happened.
Speaker 1: I didn't know all that about Diana either. The most
Speaker 1: recent series was you know, featured Diana and her story,
Speaker 1: and I didn't really know a lot of that either.
Speaker 1: So I've never really had an opinion about the Royal
Speaker 1: family until Meghan, you know, joined and then it all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it became very relevant to me. And
Speaker 1: I remember being naively excited about the future of the
Speaker 1: Royal family and having a black woman and you know
Speaker 1: what that meant, and her mother seeing her mother, you know,
Speaker 1: alongside the Queen, and you know, a black woman in
Speaker 1: the in the Buckingham Palace. It just it meant something
Speaker 1: to me very and I think what made me so
Speaker 1: sad was the missed opportunity, you know, for them, not
Speaker 1: I mean for us, for black people around the world,
Speaker 1: like Megan was saying, they had an opportunity to really
Speaker 1: show their like literally the Commonwealth, you know, all these
Speaker 1: these countries that that still have the queen on their currency.
Speaker 1: It's more than just the UK, and they are largely
Speaker 1: populated by brown people, you know, and they had finally
Speaker 1: someone in the royal family who looked somewhat like them,
Speaker 1: and they didn't see that as an asset. They didn't
Speaker 1: support her, they didn't lift her up, they didn't give
Speaker 1: her any infrastructure. They flung her out into the ether.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I mean, you know it's very sad.
Speaker 2: You know what's so crazy to name this is this
Speaker 2: is what white supremacy is. White supremacy is when a country,
Speaker 2: a monarchy is more concerned over the color of what
Speaker 2: really would essentially be a one fourth black child than
Speaker 2: they are about Prince Andrew and his pedothelic ways with
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. Can you imagine, like you legit, have a
Speaker 2: prince who is literally in a picture with a young
Speaker 2: woman that he has been accused of raping. And the
Speaker 2: young woman is here and she's like, Yep, that's me
Speaker 2: in a picture, and yep that's what it's Andrew. So
Speaker 2: it's not like, oh, you know, it's like yeah, and
Speaker 2: I mean that's just one of the women that just
Speaker 2: have come forth. But that is something to be hushed
Speaker 2: up and protected. But like Harry's own son, like because
Speaker 2: there's some black lineage there that that's the bigger concern.
Speaker 2: That's why this is. I just don't understand how people
Speaker 2: don't see that. That is this when people say, like, ugh,
Speaker 2: all this race but Pierce Morgan, honestly he could suck one.
Speaker 2: Like all this race baiting. You love to race bait.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sorry, you have a pedophile, you know,
Speaker 2: who is getting the full protection of the crown and
Speaker 2: whatever money's come in from the Commonwealth or whatever they
Speaker 2: call themselves over there. I don't know, you know, like
Speaker 2: he's getting that full protection. But like I you could
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, But I heard the part
Speaker 2: where she was like from the very onset they said, oh,
Speaker 2: just so you know Harry's birthwright of his son being
Speaker 2: a prince, psych that's not happening. Oh and also Archie
Speaker 2: will not receive any security. Why that's so crazy to me?
Speaker 2: Like I just I you know, I just really wonder,
Speaker 2: like what is it? Why? Why are. There's so many
Speaker 2: people then are just so upset with black and brown people,
Speaker 2: like what what is so offensive? You know, like, what
Speaker 2: is that? I just it just it boggles the mind
Speaker 2: that you know that it can even be expressed through
Speaker 2: a baby, you know, an unborn baby. That that's how
Speaker 2: upset it makes people. So I mean, I'm glad. At
Speaker 2: first I didn't understand why they spoke their truth, and
Speaker 2: now I understand completely, and yeah, you know, I'm here
Speaker 2: to like, I'm here for it, and I'm sure the
Speaker 2: people who hated her still hate her, they don't care,
Speaker 2: but a lot more people are like, oh wow, you know,
Speaker 2: I honestly believe too that when the queen passes on,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the state of the monarchy is
Speaker 2: gonna because quite honestly, they don't. But they don't like
Speaker 2: Charles over there, So I'm like, you think he's gonna
Speaker 2: be able to hold this together? Ye're right, We'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't pretend to know all the rules
Speaker 1: of titles. I mean, it's completely overwhelming to me. And
Speaker 1: but that being said, I had follow up questions in
Speaker 1: the sense of, well, what about like, isn't it pretty
Speaker 1: like apples to apples looking at Kate and William's children.
Speaker 1: Were they given security? And of course it just it
Speaker 1: just doesn't. I mean I was thinking back to to
Speaker 1: like the presidential election in Barack Obama's first campaign for president,
Speaker 1: when he had to be given Secret Service detail way
Speaker 1: sooner than even before he was I think even won
Speaker 1: the the Democratic nomination, because that's the level of death
Speaker 1: threats that they were getting, in racial threats of attack,
Speaker 1: and like that was before he even ran for office.
Speaker 1: And this is the son of a sitting like sitting prince.
Speaker 1: Do you say that whatever? I don't know either astounding
Speaker 1: prince whatever. It just it boggles the mind, and is it?
Speaker 1: And I guess I'm sure race plays into it probably
Speaker 1: and also maybe because she was a American, I mean
Speaker 1: there was she was just so other, you know, how
Speaker 1: much more other could you get a black woman from
Speaker 1: America like marrying into this family. I mean Kate Middleton,
Speaker 1: sure she was, I guess, you know, but not.
Speaker 2: But still she at least was English and not by
Speaker 2: racial and not American.
Speaker 1: The part that really broke my heart was and first
Speaker 1: of all, Megan Markle is a goddamn superhero, Like how
Speaker 1: did she keep her silence for that long. I mean
Speaker 1: the fact like if like people were saying like the
Speaker 1: most hurtful things about her and lying in the headlines.
Speaker 1: I mean that takes I mean, and and the pain,
Speaker 1: like you could see the deep, deep pain that she
Speaker 1: was going through and no one knew and she couldn't
Speaker 1: tell anyone, and she tried to tell. She tried to
Speaker 1: do the right things, you know, reaching out for help
Speaker 1: when calling them. The firm was really creepy to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, while like the firm, but she she literally,
Speaker 1: I mean she's but truly I hadn't thought of it
Speaker 1: that way, but it's true. I mean, the Crown is
Speaker 1: like a royal corporation. They were employees of the Crown.
Speaker 1: They were like c suite employees. And she reached out
Speaker 1: to human resources and said, hey, I'm having a mental
Speaker 1: health care issue. I need support. Where can I find
Speaker 1: my benefits package? And they said, oh, you don't have
Speaker 1: any yeah, like and that just you wouldn't think there's
Speaker 1: not an ounce of empathy on their end to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we not only have a new member of the royal
Speaker 1: family marrying into this who has no idea how this
Speaker 1: whole situation works. But she's a black woman and she's
Speaker 1: going to need additional support, special support, early intervention support,
Speaker 1: and they didn't have. She didn't even know how to curtsy,
Speaker 1: like what no one was like Princess Diaries was a lie,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like there is no royal
Speaker 1: training like this is. And it just I kept thinking
Speaker 1: about and I posted about it today because it was
Speaker 1: just weighing on me when Meghan said, you know, my
Speaker 1: biggest regret, the only regret I have is that I
Speaker 1: believed them when they said they would protect me and
Speaker 1: I I anuinely think as women, as black women, that
Speaker 1: at a certain point in your life, you have this realization.
Speaker 1: I can't personally pinpoint that was the moment, that was
Speaker 1: the moment, but it became very clear to me with
Speaker 1: an actually, you know what I can I can go
Speaker 1: back to high school when I was constantly accused of
Speaker 1: plagiarizing because I was too good of a writer in
Speaker 1: high school, and they would accuse me of plagiarizing and
Speaker 1: they would be like, did you write this? It was
Speaker 1: in my own damn handwriting, but did you write it?
Speaker 1: Because back then, you know, we didn't type, but we
Speaker 1: wrote our essays anyway. And for me, it's like, you're
Speaker 1: going to walk through the world and people are not
Speaker 1: going to give you the same benefit of the doubt,
Speaker 1: the same level of care, the same level of respect
Speaker 1: every room I've ever walked into as a black woman,
Speaker 1: I couldn't trust that I would get what I needed.
Speaker 1: I had to become an advocate for myself. I had
Speaker 1: to learn to speak for myself. I had to internalize
Speaker 1: and accept the fact that I have to work harder,
Speaker 1: especially in my years, you know, managing a team and
Speaker 1: learning how to navigate those waters. I had to very
Speaker 1: quickly tell myself anytime anyone had a problem with me, well,
Speaker 1: I can't control that. I have to just keep facing forward.
Speaker 1: And I knew people will have They will get more
Speaker 1: angry at me when I speak up. They will send
Speaker 1: me harassing messages when I have the audacity to criticize them.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about writers that I work with over the years,
Speaker 1: threatening me, telling me I would regret ever having the
Speaker 1: having the the audacity to cut ties with them like
Speaker 1: threatening me. And I understood that. And I feel like
Speaker 1: as black women, we move through the world that way.
Speaker 1: We can't trust, and when we do trust, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: we get what we think we deserve, but then always
Speaker 1: there'll be a time when we're not given what we
Speaker 1: actually deserve, and that will break our trust. And it
Speaker 1: was really just crushing for me to hear Megan's story
Speaker 1: and then also know how it echoed just millions and
Speaker 1: millions of similar stories from black women here and all
Speaker 1: over the world.
Speaker 2: Because like you know, Mandy, remember when I spoke on
Speaker 2: against the event that shall not be named Yes and
Speaker 2: now yeah, and how that founder came at me with
Speaker 2: everything And I assumed, I said, because there was literally
Speaker 2: another young woman who started it up. She wrote a
Speaker 2: blog post about it. She started the twitter, the twitter
Speaker 2: feed of like why I'm not knowing why I'm no
Speaker 2: longer going to that conference. She when I tell you
Speaker 2: her blog post receipts vicious, not vicious, but like, you know,
Speaker 2: like clear cut concise. So I assumed, And there was
Speaker 2: a bunch of other people who were actively going at him.
Speaker 2: So I just knew, Wow, if I'm getting this, I
Speaker 2: know they're getting you know, because he was in my
Speaker 2: inbox calling, like reaching out to different organizations or different
Speaker 2: publications that I've been interviewed with to speak about me disparagingly.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, they must be getting it too. So
Speaker 2: I reached down to the young woman, who, like I said,
Speaker 2: went out him the hardest, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: she's white. Hey girl, I know you must be getting
Speaker 2: it too. It's crazy right, she's like getting one, because
Speaker 2: how dare you, Tiffany. Literally none of the other women
Speaker 2: he went after, none of the other women.
Speaker 1: Just me.
Speaker 2: I did one tweet, that's it. And these women had
Speaker 2: been dragging him for weeks and weeks and weeks and
Speaker 2: writing op eds and this and that, but me, how
Speaker 2: dare you? It's the same thing like when Harry Weinstein
Speaker 2: came out and all these women were saying me too,
Speaker 2: me too. As soon as Lapita is Harvey, I said,
Speaker 2: Harry Harvey's wanted, not.
Speaker 1: That white guy, the other better bad guy, good guy,
Speaker 1: you know Hervey?
Speaker 2: Yes, And Lupita Nuango when she stepped up, he said,
Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, not her because how dad, remember
Speaker 2: not the brand.
Speaker 1: It's just so.
Speaker 2: I mean when I tell you, like someone asked me
Speaker 2: the other day, like, what's my favorite part about being
Speaker 2: a black woman, and I said, honestly, other black women,
Speaker 2: because you know, it is the safest, most like loving
Speaker 2: most community based space that you can find, Like when
Speaker 2: you are in community with other black women, it's like
Speaker 2: a warm hug from your mom, your grandmam. It is
Speaker 2: like girlfriends like yeah, I mean you could literally see
Speaker 2: someone like literally you should have seen Mandy. I was
Speaker 2: showing my sister, like your picture on Instagram with your
Speaker 2: new highlights. She was like, oh man, it's closed this.
Speaker 2: We were just both going, I mean you're not even there,
Speaker 2: and we're.
Speaker 1: Like, yes, yes, yes, love to see other women win,
Speaker 1: other black women win. Yes, it feels like we're winning.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's just like so just to see Megan. My
Speaker 2: concern is, I mean, this is gonna be such a
Speaker 2: huge blowback as a result of this. And I just
Speaker 2: when Harry said, I could just see history repeating itself.
Speaker 2: He was right, like they were not going to stop
Speaker 2: until this woman was no longer breathing. And I'm glad
Speaker 2: that he protected his wife and his family when he
Speaker 2: said I almost cried when he said, if all that happened,
Speaker 2: as hard as it was, at least I had my wife.
Speaker 2: When he said she didn't have anyone, Oh, it broke
Speaker 2: my heart because he was like, this is what my
Speaker 2: mother went through by herself, by herself, and she still
Speaker 2: had to live there.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, I don't understand, you know, I'm obviously
Speaker 1: I'm not British, neither of us is, but and I
Speaker 1: don't and I don't have the like it's just wasn't
Speaker 1: a part of my upbringing. Yes, I remember when Princess
Speaker 1: Diana died, But I don't understand the machine, even as
Speaker 1: many times as I've watched The Crown and you know,
Speaker 1: Harry Potter, and not about the British family, the Royal family,
Speaker 1: but anyway, like, I'll never really understand what it's like
Speaker 1: to grow up there and to have them looming large
Speaker 1: over us all. But I am horrified at how they
Speaker 1: nearly broke this woman, and I am just like astounded
Speaker 1: by her strength, and I just want nothing but the
Speaker 1: best for her and little Archie and for Harry too,
Speaker 1: you know, I when I wanted to empathize with him.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a good like talking point for us,
Speaker 1: is you know, at a certain point in the interview,
Speaker 1: he's talking about how he was shocked and how he
Speaker 1: was you know, inside the machine and he felt trapped
Speaker 1: and I want to I wanted Oprah to and she
Speaker 1: did an amazing job. Lady, Oh my god, bow down.
Speaker 1: She did an incredible job with this interview. But I
Speaker 1: and she was sort of pushing back, like you were
Speaker 1: a royal prince, like how were you trapped? You know,
Speaker 1: how could you not speak out? And I feel like
Speaker 1: I wanted to empathize with him, but I was sort
Speaker 1: of like, how could you? Why didn't you speak out?
Speaker 1: Why did it take this long? You know why? And
Speaker 1: I guess that's where I feel like I don't really
Speaker 1: maybe appreciate the mental, like the psychological hold that the
Speaker 1: royal family could have on people within it, you know.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's like I'm talking myself through this,
Speaker 1: and I guess it's like if you're if you're a
Speaker 1: victim or you're a hostage, and you know, you do
Speaker 1: things that maybe don't make sense to the outside looking in,
Speaker 1: you know. And this it actually comes up with people
Speaker 1: who I've been abused too. They'll be like, I'll give
Speaker 1: you an example. I think on the show, I talked
Speaker 1: about how I had a makeup artist work with me
Speaker 1: at a previous job, and time after time I would
Speaker 1: sit in that chair and he would say despair things,
Speaker 1: little make offhanded remarks that would make me feel bad,
Speaker 1: and I would continue sitting in that chair like week
Speaker 1: after week, month after month, And when I finally complained,
Speaker 1: the first question was, well, why did you wait till now?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And it's I don't know how to articulate why, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I understand where he's coming from. But I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: even a royal prince, you know, when you're in it
Speaker 1: like that, that is how like big a toxic relationship
Speaker 1: can stop you from you know. And and for anyone
Speaker 1: who's been a victim of any kind of toxic relationship,
Speaker 1: I think it was a good It's not a good moment,
Speaker 1: but like it's time for us to say, you know,
Speaker 1: we will never understand what it's like to be in it.
Speaker 1: We can only be in awe of someone who has
Speaker 1: the strength to get out of it and then speak
Speaker 1: their truth. And yeah, I really commend them for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so I can't wait to finish watching.
Speaker 1: Watched the whole thing. I also recorded CBS News this
Speaker 1: morning for the from seven to nine because I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna I needed a peloton, but I heard Lady O
Speaker 1: was on CBS with her girl Gail talking about like
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes and additional footage, so I want
Speaker 1: all there's extra tea tiff. You need to like get
Speaker 1: your full serving and then come back for seconds and thirds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just so much. Sometime I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 2: like it just it will trigger like my latent anxiety.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Like I was
Speaker 2: going to watch it before I took a nap today
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, I felt like
Speaker 2: I was going to like dream about it, so I
Speaker 2: was like, I won't. I won't. I will. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But oh, before we go though, I mean before we
Speaker 1: switch subjects, what about the part where he said that
Speaker 1: they cut him off financially. I thought this was like
Speaker 1: the realist. I mean, it's it's hard to I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't have any sympathy for like a real prince
Speaker 1: because he's like, yeah, they cut me off financially, but
Speaker 1: my mother's trust fun I had. But it's true, like
Speaker 1: he was cut off and people made he was cut
Speaker 1: off by the royal family apparently, like when they like
Speaker 1: last year or the year before when they announced they
Speaker 1: were where they were leaving their official duties. So it
Speaker 1: didn't have money from the crown anymore. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: a prince doesn't have any income, and I guess that's
Speaker 1: that's it, Like they get their income from the crown,
Speaker 1: so he you know, when they moved to America, they
Speaker 1: didn't have a game plan, so they stayed with some friends,
Speaker 1: you know, on the friend's couch. Yes, the friend was
Speaker 1: Tyler Perry. Yes, which is part of the story that
Speaker 1: I'm just like, how do they know Tyler anyway? Why
Speaker 1: why did they know Tyler Perry? Is he like the ambassador?
Speaker 1: But anyway, but yeah, they stayed on a friend's couch
Speaker 1: and they were a husband and wife. You know, husband
Speaker 1: lost his job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I means, go get them, none of us
Speaker 2: would Tyler Perry Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, he had to.
Speaker 1: He had to make it, hew, you gotta put food
Speaker 1: on the tables, got to get a Spotify Spotify deal
Speaker 1: and his Netflix deal. But I'm yeah, I'm and Megan's like,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm so happy for her because you
Speaker 1: can tell, you know, she was such a vocal advocate
Speaker 1: for women and girls before getting into the rural family.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she looked at it as like, Wow, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be on a world stage doing my doing
Speaker 1: this work on a much higher level, and then it
Speaker 1: was ripped away from her, and now she gets a
Speaker 1: chance to do that, and I'm so I'm I'm really
Speaker 1: excited to see what they create because I think they're
Speaker 1: extremely powerful and I stand for her all day long.
Speaker 1: I don't have any time for Megan Haters. I didn't
Speaker 1: know who she was before this either, but.
Speaker 2: Now we know. Now we know now, and I feel like, honestly,
Speaker 2: I just love to see all the black women. We
Speaker 2: were all information.
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, and Serena was like Serena Williams
Speaker 1: was like the ringleader.
Speaker 2: She was like, I wish you would. Everyone had their
Speaker 2: basoline and earrings off last night for Meg. Yes, cell
Speaker 2: switching gears. I don't know if you saw, but I
Speaker 2: went to the White House.
Speaker 1: Yes, I actually yeah, it was kind of yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of posts from someone who was like,
Speaker 1: I just got back from the White House, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you gonna are you gonna do an asterisk where
Speaker 1: you tell everybody it was a zoom called.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw for some of that was kind of
Speaker 2: I was like, no, it's virtual. Everybody knows that we're virtual.
Speaker 2: I mean I was literally like I was doing, like,
Speaker 2: you know, a little pre roll like eh, sit in
Speaker 2: my chair, you know. But so I'll say this, So
Speaker 2: I just actually just saw an article where the White
Speaker 2: House is planning to do more of this, like to
Speaker 2: kind of reach out to influencers. I just wonder what
Speaker 2: you think about this, like, you know, like as it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I consider myself an influencer, but whatever,
Speaker 2: and reach out to influence.
Speaker 1: You wait a second, say that one more time. You're
Speaker 1: not serious?
Speaker 2: No, I guess you know. When I think of influencer,
Speaker 2: I mean I do I think I have someone with influence, yes,
Speaker 2: but influencer meaning like you know, here's my face cream.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, your face cream is financial independence and well building.
Speaker 1: That's your face cream. You're a finfluencer. Didn't you know
Speaker 1: that that? Oh that's a good thing. Get out of here.
Speaker 2: But I will say that it was a little I mean,
Speaker 2: I was glad for it, and I was grateful for
Speaker 2: a sister reached out, which is awesome. She's like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I'm such a fan of your work. I
Speaker 2: wish cause you know, I had some like down and
Speaker 2: dirty questions about like race, and like one of my
Speaker 2: questions was about like race and the their appraisal process,
Speaker 2: and because I've heard the present talk about it like
Speaker 2: that he wants to do something about it. But they
Speaker 2: were kind of like, eh, they shied away from that
Speaker 2: a little bit and saw another thing was like I
Speaker 2: really wanted to lean into what was gonna matter to
Speaker 2: my audience, which was, you know how finance and race
Speaker 2: intersect and in the ways they intersect in a way
Speaker 2: that are not beneficial to all people, but especially black
Speaker 2: and brown people, And so there's a little pushback like, well,
Speaker 2: what's just stick to I was like, so, you know,
Speaker 2: I still got some good questions in. But you know,
Speaker 2: that was my only I would say, slight disappointment that
Speaker 2: I couldn't get get knitty gritty with it. It wasn't
Speaker 2: they wasn't hit for the real reel.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, it was your first big White House interview.
Speaker 1: You're not a trained journalist, You're not there you know
Speaker 1: what to give yourself a break, you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: an Oprah situation.
Speaker 2: But no, but I mean like it was no, it
Speaker 2: was it was nice to to I guess be thought of.
Speaker 2: You just don't know who's watching, but it also too,
Speaker 2: it was It's nice to honestly because I still was
Speaker 2: able to position the questions that people really wanted to
Speaker 2: know because I'd posted previously on social like what would
Speaker 2: you like me to ask? And I did get to
Speaker 2: ask most of the questions that I felt were most
Speaker 2: pressing based upon what my audience wanted to hear. Even
Speaker 2: if I dialted back, you know, as far as race
Speaker 2: is considered, and I mean the questions, the answers were eh,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, very white House, so you know,
Speaker 2: that is what it is. But hopefully more of this
Speaker 2: will happen, that the White House wants to communicate directly
Speaker 2: with people through people that they trust, and then that
Speaker 2: will happen more and more, and not just in personal finance,
Speaker 2: but like across the board.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I mean, if they're knocking on
Speaker 1: your virtual door, then I'm like, this is the let's
Speaker 1: keep following this good feeling. Okay, let's continue in this direction.
Speaker 1: So that's great. Thank you for representing. I'm sure it
Speaker 1: must have felt like a lot of pressure, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure you did great. Where can we check it out
Speaker 1: because it sounds like you got the video mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they OK. The video. It's just like if
Speaker 2: you got to check out my it's on all the socials,
Speaker 2: but it's probably easiest to watch on my Instagram. You'll
Speaker 2: see like a picture of me super imposed in front
Speaker 2: of the White House, like, hey, because if nothing else,
Speaker 2: I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Tiffany well, listen, I have no doubt you will be
Speaker 1: at the White House, and I'm just gonna manifest it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be at the White House too, doing something,
Speaker 1: maybe just you know, picking up a package for someone.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll be there now. That's wonderful. Speaking
Speaker 1: of the White House, though, Stimmy's Stimmy checks are coming, y'all.
Speaker 1: It looks like the Congress is going to pass the
Speaker 1: this's what is at one point nine trillion bajillion dollar
Speaker 1: relief bill past the so it was the House and
Speaker 1: the Senate and now it's back to the House, I
Speaker 1: guess to do the final passing, and then it looks
Speaker 1: like Biden might sign it this week. So maybe by
Speaker 1: the time you guys are listening to this, Stimmy checks
Speaker 1: will be on the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Fourteen hundred dollars, Yeah, fourteen hundred dollars and it's going
Speaker 1: to increase unemployment benefits an additional yep, three hundred dollars
Speaker 1: per week through September sixth, and you could be getting
Speaker 1: your stimulus money as soon as this month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, so many people are just like, you know,
Speaker 2: at least it's something, because that's one of the things
Speaker 2: I pressed him on, like, well, you know, like, so
Speaker 2: all these things are great, but what happens when they
Speaker 2: run out? Because they will and they still be like
Speaker 2: a significant amount of people who are still not able
Speaker 2: to financially take care of themselves through no faults of
Speaker 2: their own. If your industry literally shuts down, like the
Speaker 2: restaurant industry, what do you do? That's a big concern.
Speaker 2: And I remember, yeah, exactly, I remember those times. Everybody
Speaker 2: doesn't have like I was fortunate I could say I'll
Speaker 2: move back in with my parents. Everyone doesn't have that
Speaker 2: option to say I'll move back in with my parents.
Speaker 2: So what do you do? So yeah, I just can't
Speaker 2: imagine like what people are going through with families who
Speaker 2: are just like so, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: And although this is great, this is temporary, but like
Speaker 2: what happens when my landlord is like, hey, I also
Speaker 2: needs to pay my mortgage, so yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well with this bill, it should extend some rental relief
Speaker 1: programs and mortgage assistance programs. And also there's a lot
Speaker 1: of state specific programs. So if you're if you're struggling
Speaker 1: and you need help to you know, you're worried about
Speaker 1: covering your rent or your mortgage, I would look, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, call your if it's a mortgage, call
Speaker 1: your servicer and just ask them if they have any programming,
Speaker 1: and then ask what the particulars are, what the fine
Speaker 1: print is all of that, and as far as rent,
Speaker 1: see if your state has a specific rental assistance program.
Speaker 1: I was just poking around on Georgia's site for for
Speaker 1: COVID relief because I was trying to get my dad.
Speaker 1: My dad's a bus driver in Atlanta. He still is
Speaker 1: not eligible for the vaccine, and I was I was like, oh, Daddy,
Speaker 1: you're probably just like not reading the paperwork, right, But
Speaker 1: I'm looking at and I'm like, he's not listed. This
Speaker 1: man is on a bus every day. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a he's a it's like a he drives out what
Speaker 1: do you call it? The accessor ride type equivalent in Georgia,
Speaker 1: so he picks up people who have disabilities. And he's
Speaker 1: not you know, he's not. He doesn't have dozens of
Speaker 1: passengers at any given time. It's like a smaller bus.
Speaker 1: But still, this man, and I've seen him, he has
Speaker 1: like a cloth mask or not, like giving him n
Speaker 1: ninety fives. It's boggling to me. I'm like, how do
Speaker 1: I protect my dad? And I'm trying to manage everything
Speaker 1: else going on right now, and it's anyhow. I was
Speaker 1: poking around in George's site and I did see a
Speaker 1: tab for rental assistance, So yeah, I would just say,
Speaker 1: look and see what's going on in your area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I needed that sign.
Speaker 1: I know. It's just it's a lot of it's a
Speaker 1: lot of weight on us kids too. I will say,
Speaker 1: I'm not the only daughter in this country who is
Speaker 1: trying to deal with her shit and then try to
Speaker 1: support her parents, or especially it's my dad, you know,
Speaker 1: he's I feel additional pressure because he doesn't you know.
Speaker 1: It's like me and my brother. That's it. But I
Speaker 1: have a good friend whose parents, you know, they're Vietnamese immigrants,
Speaker 1: and they have two they have one owns a small
Speaker 1: business the other one worked in a job where they
Speaker 1: were interfacing with tenants at an apartment building all the
Speaker 1: time and time, the hours and hours she spent trying
Speaker 1: to help her mom apply for all the PPP program
Speaker 1: or what's it called the small business relief programs and
Speaker 1: trying to like help her figure out her income. You know,
Speaker 1: this is a cash business. So and she's in New
Speaker 1: York and her mom is in Georgia. And my heart
Speaker 1: goes out to all the kids who are helping their
Speaker 1: parents navigate this and figure out the right the quote
Speaker 1: unquote right, you know, financial choices to make. It's it's
Speaker 1: really really difficult.
Speaker 2: It is, honestly, Like even like for example, Superman, his
Speaker 2: father it, you know, had to apply for unemployment and
Speaker 2: it was it took so much to walk him through
Speaker 2: because I was even like, how do you apply for
Speaker 2: an employment these days? You know, I have not had
Speaker 2: to do it in like literally ten, you know, fifteen years,
Speaker 2: and so just there's so much.
Speaker 1: It hasn't gotten much better. I'll tell you that it
Speaker 1: really hasn't. The system was not prepared. It was not
Speaker 1: prepared despite what happened ten years ago. Sadly, oh, I
Speaker 1: know who freaking saw did we even mention Women's History Month.
Speaker 2: The International Women's Day? Happy International Women's Day. Well, for
Speaker 2: those of you are listening, you're late. Yeah, it wasn't today.
Speaker 2: It was International Women's Day. My mom actually called me.
Speaker 2: She was so cute. She's like, happy International Woman's Day.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it feels like a holiday. It
Speaker 1: does for me. I feel sparkly today. I just feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like just spreading some fairy dust and
Speaker 1: all the women in my life. I always, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I love this day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, do you remember in twenty fifteen
Speaker 2: when you went to to get you know, your award
Speaker 2: in DC. I was like what. Then she said, proceeded
Speaker 2: to send me pictures. I'm like, only my mother. Only
Speaker 2: moms keep like such receipts. I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 2: is gonna be man like my baby rio look at
Speaker 2: all the things. You know.
Speaker 1: She was like too much.
Speaker 2: She told my sister when I was because once she
Speaker 2: found out I was doing the thing for the White House,
Speaker 2: she was like, so, Tracy, I need you. I need
Speaker 2: you to get pictures and recording of Tiffany and Facey
Speaker 2: was like she She's gonna be live. Mommy. I can't.
Speaker 2: She's like, hide in the corner, Hide in the corner.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's how that works. Thankfully they gave
Speaker 2: me a recording so I was able to pass it
Speaker 2: on to her because you know, there's you can't stunt
Speaker 2: on the Aunties with just saying words. You must show
Speaker 2: visuals and so at least that's gonna happen. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that like International Women's Day, like, you know,
Speaker 2: we all came. What is it? It's like it's a
Speaker 2: tupac lyric. It's like we all came from a woman
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I'm so bad rap, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. There's a toolpop wrap specifically that like it's
Speaker 2: like I don't know it's I think it's for dear mama.
Speaker 2: But basically, like, you know, women are just amazing and
Speaker 2: our capability of doing things. I was just sharing someone
Speaker 2: the other day that they ask me why you know,
Speaker 2: not not as many women invest or feel, or you know,
Speaker 2: or manage their money, and I said, honestly, it's not
Speaker 2: a capability issue. It's a confidence issue, and that so
Speaker 2: many women have been told their whole life leave it
Speaker 2: to the boys. They know that, you know, they just
Speaker 2: have not developed the confidence to be able to do so.
Speaker 2: But I'll share with the single mother. The other day,
Speaker 2: I said, you think investing is hard, you know it's
Speaker 2: harder raising that kid by yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't put that an autopilot. I wish I could.
Speaker 1: You know how many times these kids have to eat
Speaker 1: in a single day and you have to think of
Speaker 1: something new every time, Like, can I automate the meals?
Speaker 1: Joes us?
Speaker 2: And I was like, so, if you you are raising
Speaker 2: this kid by yourself, doing homeschool, working online, making sure
Speaker 2: they're good, like doing all of this, girl, Like, it
Speaker 2: is not a capability issue, it is a confidence issue.
Speaker 2: But if you can do all this, then investing is
Speaker 2: nothing in comparison to what you've accomplished thus far.
Speaker 1: And she was like wow.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, so put your cape on, girl,
Speaker 2: put your cape on and pick up a book, watch
Speaker 2: some YouTube videos, and start to educate yourself. It's just
Speaker 2: about confidence. And so I just wish on this International
Speaker 2: Woman's Day, I wish all the women listening to lean
Speaker 2: into your superpower, which is the ability to do whatever
Speaker 2: the hell you put your mind to, and know that
Speaker 2: there's nothing too hard, too big, too complicated.
Speaker 1: For you to master one step at a time a men,
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what our calling is. Tiffany is giving
Speaker 1: that confidence boost.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: Recognizing what so many other financial educators or experts who
Speaker 1: are not inclusive don't recognize, which is when a black
Speaker 1: woman walks into your office or a woman of color
Speaker 1: walks into your office, there's two huge layers of her
Speaker 1: identity that may that are have created a situation where
Speaker 1: she does not have access to certain knowledge or doesn't
Speaker 1: feel they have she has access to certain knowledge, and
Speaker 1: we have to recognize that and be empathetic in our positions.
Speaker 1: And when someone you know walks into our office or
Speaker 1: we don't have offices or whatever, walks into our virtual world,
Speaker 1: like we see them. And I think that is why
Speaker 1: representation in this space is so freaking important. So shout
Speaker 1: out to you, Tiffany, Shout out to Brown Ambition, Thank
Speaker 1: y'all for coming to this safe space to hopefully build you.
Speaker 1: I get the messages from people all the time. I
Speaker 1: know that we're reaching people and helping them take that
Speaker 1: take that first step. And I think the first step
Speaker 1: is really just saying, like, listen, it's not you, Like
Speaker 1: it's not your fault that you don't know this stuff,
Speaker 1: this stuff was this the system was not built for us.
Speaker 1: We have got to we have got an extra a
Speaker 1: little bit of work to do to to get ourselves
Speaker 1: to the starting line. And when we're there, we will succeed.
Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, it's why I'm so proud
Speaker 1: and happy to be doing this show with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, Mandrain me too. See, I'm even giving
Speaker 2: you a hug, and you know I don't like hugs.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Can't we tell you in person?
Speaker 2: Oh no, let's not do that.
Speaker 1: When is that gonna be?
Speaker 2: I know, I know one of these days. Oh well,
Speaker 2: I've said that.
Speaker 1: All I had to say today are impossible. Impossible. Let
Speaker 1: us take a oh, we need to take a quick break,
Speaker 1: and we have a very special special announcement about our
Speaker 1: question system. Come back to all right, we are back
Speaker 1: ready to take y'all's questions. But before we do, have
Speaker 1: you guys ever wanted to just like call Tiffany or me,
Speaker 1: just like call us up and ask us your questions.
Speaker 1: Anybody anyone tired of trying to type your question into
Speaker 1: a little Instagram box and being like I want to
Speaker 1: remain anonymous and then Mandy forgets to read it, you know,
Speaker 1: because she's skimming through ig dms way too quickly. The
Speaker 1: answer is here. You guys can actually call us now
Speaker 1: and send us your questions yourselves. I'm so so excited.
Speaker 1: All right, So our new producer Sarah is listening, and
Speaker 1: so if I mess this up, Sarah just let me know.
Speaker 1: But you guys can call or text, call or text
Speaker 1: this number to have your question hit our virtual voicemailbox.
Speaker 1: And the number is eight four four eight five eight
Speaker 1: eight zero eight zero. Okay, eight four four eight five
Speaker 1: eight eight zero eight zero. Do I sound like the
Speaker 1: infomercial person? So this is yeah, this is going to
Speaker 1: be in our show notes. Also, you can go to
Speaker 1: our Instagram. There'll be like a link there for you
Speaker 1: to leave your voicemail. And I'm excited because I want to.
Speaker 1: We'll actually get to hear y'all's voices here on the
Speaker 1: air and answer your questions live, so or not live literally,
Speaker 1: but you know it'll be kind of semi live. Okay.
Speaker 1: Isn't that cool?
Speaker 2: It's very cool? And honestly, I'm excited because I you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like our audience is just like so awesome,
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes we need like context that we're
Speaker 2: like so we kind of guestimate some things, like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna assume that you mean this, and I'm gonna assume.
Speaker 2: So it'd be great to just be like, Okay, well
Speaker 2: we can get more clarity in context so we can
Speaker 2: give you our best answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well let's dive right on in and
Speaker 1: see y'all's questions. So you remember how usually to if
Speaker 1: we like always preface the question segment by saying, you know,
Speaker 1: we're your financial girlfriends, not girls, and like, don't come
Speaker 1: for us if if we get something wrong, and always
Speaker 1: you know, use trusted financial advisors. Well, here's a good
Speaker 1: reason why I made a whoopsie last week, y'all. I
Speaker 1: made a shocking I know, I made an incorrect statement,
Speaker 1: which is driving me nuts. So last week, basically I
Speaker 1: was I don't know if I was answering your question
Speaker 1: or we were talking about something, but I was talking
Speaker 1: about how we are saving for my son, for Rio,
Speaker 1: and how I was trying to invest for him and
Speaker 1: save for him at the same time. And I what
Speaker 1: I said was we opened a custodial iray for him.
Speaker 2: What I was strange.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, like YOULI can't do that.
Speaker 1: Can I explain why you can't do that? Because with
Speaker 1: an IRA, a kid has to actually earn taxable income,
Speaker 1: and as parents, you can open a custodial IRA for them,
Speaker 1: but they have to earn taxable income and you can't
Speaker 1: contribute any more like one cent more than what they
Speaker 1: earn to their IRA. So that's not what I meant
Speaker 1: a custodial brokerage account. It is just a regular brokerage
Speaker 1: account that is a thing, and you can open a
Speaker 1: custodial brokerage account and put money aside for them. So
Speaker 1: my bad, and I'm sorry if I confused anybody. And
Speaker 1: thank you to the listener. I don't have their name up.
Speaker 1: I should because I would give you a shout out.
Speaker 1: Oh here it is Martisha, So thank you Martisia for
Speaker 1: calling me out. I deserved it and hopefully I didn't
Speaker 1: confuse y'all. And that's why we say, you know, we're
Speaker 1: humans and.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we're like talking so fast, you know, and you know,
Speaker 2: we mean something in our head and it comes out different.
Speaker 2: So we appreciate, quite honestly for you guys to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: because we know a lot of you guys are finance
Speaker 2: nerds like us. So if you hear a thing and
Speaker 2: you're like, girl, you sure me that certainly hit us
Speaker 2: up and let us.
Speaker 1: Know absolutely all right, here comes a question from anonymous listener.
Speaker 1: You'll see why when I get into her question. So
Speaker 1: she says, I'm a senior case manager working for a
Speaker 1: nonprofit that has Medicaid billing programs and non medicaid billing programs.
Speaker 1: I have a caseload of nineteen clients with mental illness.
Speaker 1: Last year, I was asked to provide coverage for seven
Speaker 1: clients for five weeks. Due to my work ethic, time management,
Speaker 1: and organizational skills, I agreed to take on the task.
Speaker 1: They were so satisfied by my work that last month
Speaker 1: they asked me to provide coverage for four more weeks
Speaker 1: for three more clients for the same program. I said
Speaker 1: okay through the month of February. But I didn't get
Speaker 1: paid extra for providing this additional coverage. After I completed
Speaker 1: what I was asked to do, I received an email
Speaker 1: from my director asking me to extend that coverage through
Speaker 1: the middle of March. I told her no, because I
Speaker 1: agreed to help just through the end of February. I
Speaker 1: just can't do it for three more weeks. My no
Speaker 1: was rejected. I now have to do it. They've only
Speaker 1: offered me one day off in return. Is it time
Speaker 1: for me to look for another job?
Speaker 2: Yes, I've I feel like this.
Speaker 1: I feel like they took advantage of my kindness and
Speaker 1: I'm burned out.
Speaker 2: Yes, girl, let me pay something that work. Like from
Speaker 2: the beginning, I would say to set the clear boundary
Speaker 2: because here's this is and not every job navigates like this.
Speaker 2: You know, some people will see and say, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: I know I'm asking you for this. This is what
Speaker 2: I'd like to give you in return. And so, for example,
Speaker 2: sometimes there'll be things that I'll ask my the people
Speaker 2: who work with me. I always I hate to say
Speaker 2: work for me, because we really work together that work
Speaker 2: with me, and it'll be additional. So there was a
Speaker 2: woman on my team, she's excellent, amazing, just like you sound,
Speaker 2: and there was additional work that she took on. But
Speaker 2: then later she came to me she was like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, that's kind of like out of my work
Speaker 2: title and it's additional work, you know, And I was like, oh, girl,
Speaker 2: you're totally right. So me not paying her extra initially
Speaker 2: initially wasn't because I was trying to get over it,
Speaker 2: just because especially with like I guess, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you call me a startup still, it's so easy
Speaker 2: to just pick up work to do work. And so
Speaker 2: but as soon as I I found out be remediated
Speaker 2: and I was like, yes, let's go back to when
Speaker 2: it started, so we can give you that back pay now.
Speaker 2: If that's not the reaction then, or if you know
Speaker 2: that's not the kind of environment you work at, like
Speaker 2: if anyone's just listening, I agreeing to do that without
Speaker 2: parameters in place. Always always always ask for Hey, I
Speaker 2: you know, I you know I'd love to help. So
Speaker 2: but what are some of the parameters? Am I going
Speaker 2: to be available?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Am I going to be compensated for this additional work?
Speaker 2: Will I be able to take additional days off? Like
Speaker 2: getting that plan now? And absolutely, girl, they tried it,
Speaker 2: they played it because what'm fools? I just don't Here's
Speaker 2: why I don't understand, Mandy. Why does corporate America say,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Maddy, you are so amazing. You know
Speaker 2: how I'm gonna reward you by mistreating you. Isn't that great?
Speaker 2: Isn't that great?
Speaker 1: Job? We love working with you. Can you keep doing
Speaker 1: that for free?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or just like and can we overwork you and
Speaker 2: underpay you and mistreat you? You're leaving?
Speaker 1: What why?
Speaker 2: So? Like one of our friends made that we know
Speaker 2: she's leaving her job after she begged for help and assistance.
Speaker 2: Now she someone else left and they gave her that
Speaker 2: person's work. No extra money for you, please, I'm johnning. No,
Speaker 2: she went away from maternity leave and when she went away,
Speaker 2: they have to get three people to do her one job.
Speaker 2: So when she came back and she said, so you
Speaker 2: see how much it is? Can I help have help? Now?
Speaker 2: So recently she found a job that was paying her
Speaker 2: literally like significantly more, and she's like sidebar, I'm out.
Speaker 2: And they were like no, all of a sudden, this
Speaker 2: we'll give you assistance and this and we're pay and
Speaker 2: we'll match you. And I just don't get it, Like
Speaker 2: I guess I have not worked in a corporate environment,
Speaker 2: Like what is that then? Like let's abuse, oh.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, now hey, now hey, now this is a nonprofit.
Speaker 1: It happens everywhere. It doesn't matter, like listen, it happened
Speaker 1: in the Royal family. Megan said, Oh, I don't get
Speaker 1: any mental health benefits or professional development support or like
Speaker 1: these are basic Like I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: at the end, it's an institutional it's thing broken at
Speaker 1: the level, at the institutional level, it's someone somewhere along
Speaker 1: the lines, something has been broken and employee care hasn't
Speaker 1: been taken into account. Because even though like tiff like
Speaker 1: you know at the Budgeonista, you you're put you in
Speaker 1: any other organization, You're still going to be Tiffany. Like
Speaker 1: if you run a team of a couple dozen women
Speaker 1: at any company, you would manage them the same way
Speaker 1: you manage them now under the Budganesta. I feel like
Speaker 1: and that like I think it comes down to people
Speaker 1: and systems and we need yeah, and people being allowed
Speaker 1: to continue doing you know, something like this and I listen.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the specific answer is, but I
Speaker 1: people need like this interview that Megan, I'll bring it
Speaker 1: back to Meghan and Harry. This was like the exit
Speaker 1: interview is how I how I saw it, Like you
Speaker 1: left a job, you weren't happy, tell us why, And
Speaker 1: companies really need to be listening and if they don't listen,
Speaker 1: then they'll continue to have you know, that kind of
Speaker 1: turnover and you know as they should and yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes you need to leave, you need to take it.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you have amazing skills and a very loose
Speaker 1: in a field that probably has tons of not tons,
Speaker 1: but probably has plenty of jobs out there. So I
Speaker 1: wish you had told us what state you're in. What's yeah,
Speaker 1: hit me back on install, let me know what state here?
Speaker 1: I meybe people. We sometimes listeners will actually know, Hey,
Speaker 1: I got a job here, I got a job there.
Speaker 1: But it's time. Yeah, it's it's if they're not respecting
Speaker 1: your time and not giving you the support you need,
Speaker 1: then as long as you're able move move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because honestly, caseworkers are like because I have a
Speaker 2: number of friends that've worked like as social workers and caseworkers,
Speaker 2: and you guys are always in high demand because it's hard,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a field that people get
Speaker 2: easily burned out because it's so stressful. So they're always
Speaker 2: looking for people, so you do not have to There
Speaker 2: are moments when it's like a little girl, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be hard to find a job in that field and
Speaker 2: there's girl they will gobble you up and find a
Speaker 2: better place. But it's a good learning lesson because I
Speaker 2: know I'm the queen of no boundaries until I'm like, wait, now,
Speaker 2: I'm in a corner. They pay me one penny and
Speaker 2: I come in three hundred and sixty five days a year.
Speaker 2: What should I do?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: I understand because you want to be helpful, you know,
Speaker 2: but yeah, they tried it. I can't when they say
Speaker 2: they denied it, how are you gonna ask?
Speaker 1: How do you decide it? God, don't understand how And
Speaker 1: I'm not, Yeah, I mean this, I'm not in this field.
Speaker 1: But I'm just like, so I say here's the line,
Speaker 1: and you say, oh, never mind that. I don't care
Speaker 1: about the line, Like you're gonna do it anyway. But
Speaker 1: if I would say, pat, you know, start saving your coin,
Speaker 1: start looking for their jobs, and they and if they
Speaker 1: have anything to say about it, you know, you can
Speaker 1: tell them remember this, yeah goodbye, and if we need
Speaker 1: you know, if you need that. I feel like this
Speaker 1: is when you're being mistreated by you know, your partner,
Speaker 1: and you need your girlfriends to be like yeah, he
Speaker 1: hain't shit. You need to move on exactly. This is that,
Speaker 1: This is that, yep, this is that. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm really excited. I hope we get some calling questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't be crazy now, okay, don't don't go spend minutes
Speaker 1: and minutes and minute and it's telling us your life
Speaker 1: story lists, you know, nice questions, tell us details. Of course,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to call in, I think we'll
Speaker 1: still take questions the old fashioned way, so you can
Speaker 1: still hit me up on DM. We're at Brown Ambition
Speaker 1: Podcast on Instagram and email Brown Ambition Podcast at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. But yeah, I'm really excited to hear y'all's voices.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am too, I am too. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's gonna be really fun to hear
Speaker 2: people be like, oh my god, okay guys, okay, so boom.
Speaker 1: Did you recall into radio shows when you were younger?
Speaker 1: Well even now if you recalled into radio.
Speaker 2: Show, not now, but like I feel like I did
Speaker 2: maybe when I was younger, Like you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I thought that's how you got concert tickets. Like I
Speaker 1: was so dumb, like I didn't realize, Like literally, I
Speaker 1: thought I'm never going to go to a concert. I'd
Speaker 1: just have to win the tickets, and I would call
Speaker 1: Q one hundred and Lana and try to get tickets.
Speaker 1: Either that or I thought you like, my dad would
Speaker 1: just go and like, you know, he'd be like, let's go.
Speaker 1: He would always take us to shows or sporting events
Speaker 1: or whatever the day of it, and he would never
Speaker 1: have a ticket. He would just get it from the
Speaker 1: scalper at the parking lot, you know, around the corner.
Speaker 1: And I would be like, Daddy, just get a regular
Speaker 1: ticket from the radio. Anyway, where was I what's happening? No?
Speaker 2: But I love that that, Like it's so funny how
Speaker 2: kids have this thing in your mind. You're like, oh wait, what,
Speaker 2: that's not how that works.
Speaker 1: Oh when I tell you you can just go to
Speaker 1: ticketmaster dot com and buy your Britney Spears tickets. Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh that's.
Speaker 2: Okay. So now it's time for Boost to break with
Speaker 2: all our family. Is you gonna boo? Is you gonna bread?
Speaker 2: What are you going from? Doldy, I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I feel the need to do a break, but I'm
Speaker 1: also gonna do a boost on the other side of it.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like I don't know, just something
Speaker 1: to just chase the chase the break with something sweet. Okay,
Speaker 1: so my break, My break is before Megan Markle's interview.
Speaker 1: I think one of the most heartbreaking stories last week
Speaker 1: was Amanda Gore what's her name sorry, Amanda Gorman's post
Speaker 1: on Instagram where she so this is the what is she?
Speaker 1: A poet laureate? She she read a spoken word poem
Speaker 1: at the inaugural and she went viral with her amazing
Speaker 1: poem and how poignant it was. And she's so so young,
Speaker 1: she's in her young early twenties and on the national
Speaker 1: stage and Oprah blessed her, you know, with ever since
Speaker 1: she you know, gave that read her poem, and she's
Speaker 1: she's just become like this, this beacon of hope and
Speaker 1: black girl magic and all of that. And she apparently
Speaker 1: was walking into her own apartment building last week and
Speaker 1: security officer stopped her and said she looked threatening and
Speaker 1: wanted proof that she lived there. Meanwhile, and keep going yeah, sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is yeah, so, And like I said, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it just goes back and again, just more
Speaker 1: proof that as black women, you can't let your guard
Speaker 1: down ever, you know, no matter what you do, no
Speaker 1: matter how you have millions of people saying that you're
Speaker 1: a national treasure one day and just and imagine if
Speaker 1: that had been a police officer or you know, a
Speaker 1: security officer who was yeah, even more afraid, uh and
Speaker 1: racist than this guy apparently was and could have like
Speaker 1: hurt her physically, you know, or you know, And that
Speaker 1: is that fear that you you walk with in the
Speaker 1: back of your head. You just like the emotional work
Speaker 1: it takes to just move through the world, be happy,
Speaker 1: be black girl magic.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to say, how you know, cute and shiny
Speaker 1: black women are and we're all trendy now and all
Speaker 1: of that, But do you have to walk in these
Speaker 1: shoes every day with the with the fear, the underlying
Speaker 1: fear of someone will not see me for who I am,
Speaker 1: They will judge me based on my skin color, how
Speaker 1: I look. And so that made me very sad. So
Speaker 1: my heart was out to Amanda. And if you want
Speaker 1: to support her, I would say, go to her insta,
Speaker 1: check out her her work, see if any of it's
Speaker 1: for sale, and buy it full price. Okay, That's how
Speaker 1: I would move after that story. And so the other
Speaker 1: side that I wanted to shout out is my girl,
Speaker 1: Ava do Verney. I call her my girl, but I
Speaker 1: don't know her. She does follow me on Twitter. I
Speaker 1: love Ava. Avad Verney and Isa Ray are just like
Speaker 1: and Regina King anyway, love them. But Ava Duvernee. She
Speaker 1: started a whole entire website called air ra Crew. So
Speaker 1: her production company is called aira I think, and her
Speaker 1: website basically has solved Hollywood's problem for it, not really
Speaker 1: solved it, but has a solution for all the Hollywood
Speaker 1: producers who want to say, oh, there's just not enough
Speaker 1: black talent out there to staff our sets and you
Speaker 1: know production crews. Well, Ava has removed that excuse from
Speaker 1: the table. She has launched air a Crew and that's
Speaker 1: actually like a online directory of amazing black and brown
Speaker 1: talent and production crew. So if you are a filmmaker,
Speaker 1: check out aircrew dot com.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, well yeah, when I saw that, I was like,
Speaker 2: Amanda is maybe one hundred pounds maybe one. That's like,
Speaker 2: you know, that's just I mean, honestly, she's so little,
Speaker 2: she's a young woman. She's petite is an understatement. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that's just agregious honestly, Like, oh, it's tiring. So I
Speaker 2: am going to boost speaking of black girl magic, speaking
Speaker 2: of doing the things, doing the dag on things. I
Speaker 2: got an email. I was like, is this real life?
Speaker 2: I literally woke up from a nap and I looked
Speaker 2: at my email and I saw that it was from
Speaker 2: the NAACP and I was like, oh, okay, and they said, Tiffany,
Speaker 2: you have been You have been nominated for an en
Speaker 2: Double ACP Image Award, like like Marseille Martin who's won,
Speaker 2: like Morgan Freeman, like Mayola Davis. I was like, is
Speaker 2: this a is a real thing? Literally? I was like,
Speaker 2: because I was just woking up for a nap and
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, am I am? I dreaming? And
Speaker 2: so your girl has been nominated for nd BACP Award. Officially,
Speaker 2: the nominations would have come out yesterday, but this comes
Speaker 2: out on Wednesday, and so I don't even know. I
Speaker 2: don't even know what to do with this information. It's
Speaker 2: just so exciting. So I was nominating for like Outstanding
Speaker 2: Social Media Personality for using my social media in service
Speaker 2: to black and blow black people, because that's what the
Speaker 2: NBLACP Awards for. I mean, yeah, that's what the organization
Speaker 2: is for for how I use the Budgetesta to help
Speaker 2: y'all get your money together. But like, honestly, when I
Speaker 2: did my googles of like who's won before, it was
Speaker 2: like mind blowing. So you know, there's no I mean,
Speaker 2: nomination does not mean when I'm just glad to be nominated.
Speaker 2: But you do have to vote, so I would love, love,
Speaker 2: love your vote. It will be on my social media,
Speaker 2: So just at the Budget Lissa on Instagram. You'll see
Speaker 2: it on Facebook. By now you'll see it posted. So
Speaker 2: just go and please vote. Your girl would love to win.
Speaker 2: Oh and here's my obligatory if you have not gotten
Speaker 2: the book Get Good with Money, my new book Ten
Speaker 2: Simple Steps to getting financially home. You know, once an episode,
Speaker 2: I gotta remind you go Get Good with Money.
Speaker 1: Pre order book launch month.
Speaker 2: It is, honestly, it is so crazy, Like.
Speaker 1: There's just so much congratulations already congratulated offline. But yes, yes, congrats,
Speaker 1: I'm so frigging it fite. And first of all, wait
Speaker 1: a second, can we go back to that part in
Speaker 1: the show where you said you weren't an influencer, but
Speaker 1: yet you're nominated for your huge social media listen are
Speaker 1: we is this imposter syndrome You're too good for this?
Speaker 1: Get over?
Speaker 2: No, I guess I think about influencers like, you know,
Speaker 2: like here's my lotions and here's my but you're right,
Speaker 2: I'm a finfluencer, which I like, I think that's super
Speaker 2: and the no.
Speaker 1: Shade like there's you know, we all have like as
Speaker 1: she needs, we need lotion, but we also have financial
Speaker 1: issues and we need education, so you provide.
Speaker 2: What I more think of myself as like a financial
Speaker 2: educator or whatever. I don't know, but no, but honestly,
Speaker 2: I I accept that. No, it's just honestly, Manji, Like
Speaker 2: there's been so many amazing things happening, and I feel
Speaker 2: like I was just telling this to my my ADMIN
Speaker 2: and I was just sharing with her. I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, last year, I felt like Tiffany, you're at
Speaker 2: the end of the beginning, you know, like as you
Speaker 2: like travel through or you're working on something, and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: like the first part, Like I think of my life
Speaker 2: and my journey kind of like in three parts, the beginning,
Speaker 2: the middle of the end. So there's the beginning of
Speaker 2: the beginning, the middle of the beginning. But last year
Speaker 2: I was like, this is the end of the beginning.
Speaker 2: You have officially put a stamp. You're no longer just
Speaker 2: like figuring it out. You're doing it. You're actually doing it.
Speaker 2: So I feel like right now I'm in the beginning
Speaker 2: of the middle. So like, not that all the things
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna be doing it or has pet peaked yet,
Speaker 2: because that would be the middle of the middle.
Speaker 1: But I'm following, you know.
Speaker 2: So I just feel like I'm at the beginning of
Speaker 2: the middle, like I'm I'm going towards, like, you know,
Speaker 2: whatever the pinnacle of all of this is going to be.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. It might you know, some people
Speaker 2: will be in the middle for twenty years, fifty years,
Speaker 2: you know, some people for five months. I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, but it's just such a I don't know,
Speaker 2: such a strange feeling, like that the things are happening
Speaker 2: that are happening just because I mean, I set out
Speaker 2: to teach preschool, you know, because I really like teaching
Speaker 2: and I like the babies. And then I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I still want to teach, but I want to help
Speaker 2: other women, especially women that look like me. And let's
Speaker 2: see where it goes. And it keeps going and going,
Speaker 2: and so to wrap my mind around it, Like I
Speaker 2: don't think I still wrap my mind around it. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna lie. I'm a little disappointed that, you know,
Speaker 2: there's no physical award ceremony because that would be insane.
Speaker 2: Imagine me sitting next to Will Smith's like they would
Speaker 2: not put it next to Willsmoth. But you know, I'd
Speaker 2: be in the back somewhere. But just imagine if like
Speaker 2: you know, like it like outside was open, I would
Speaker 2: be at the award ceremony like walking the red carpet
Speaker 2: with some man. Oh my gosh. So I still told
Speaker 2: Tracy my stylists, I was like, girl, I need you
Speaker 2: to get on runt the runway and find me a
Speaker 2: gown because I am going to be wearing I'm gonna
Speaker 2: wear a gown at home, yes, because they are gonna,
Speaker 2: like you know, there's there's still gonna be like taping
Speaker 2: you and whatever where you are whatever. So I'm sure
Speaker 2: they're gonna have your reaction all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So I believe that they it's gonna be like I
Speaker 2: think it's a twenty seventh. Yeah, that's a match of
Speaker 2: this month? Is that quick? Wait?
Speaker 1: That's how quick it is.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, I need to fly to vote. Okay, I can
Speaker 1: vote till Wednesday. Yeah, so yes, it's to remind me
Speaker 1: to vote for Tiffany NAACP Award Wednesday at twelve pm.
Speaker 2: Okay, your reminder is set for Wednesday noon.
Speaker 1: Okay, got it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love it.
Speaker 1: That is the way. That is the only way things
Speaker 1: get done. I'm not I'm not playing around, Tyfney. I
Speaker 1: your Megan Markel DVR material. Yes, oh oh, thank you.
Speaker 2: Gave me the metal Megan Markle treatment.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, this's just the beginning of the middle.
Speaker 2: So we shall see how far this thing goes. I
Speaker 2: just feel like, you know, I mean, just look at us, Manajory.
Speaker 2: We're just a couple of girls walking through Nola talking about,
Speaker 2: you know, you want to do a podcast. I was
Speaker 2: like sure, and now.
Speaker 1: Look well, it sounds like you're really coming into like
Speaker 1: being present in the in the fun part, because you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you've been working so hard for
Speaker 1: so long, and I know you've been working with your
Speaker 1: coach and all of that. You just be to just like, yes,
Speaker 1: to feel it. I hope that you're feeling the success.
Speaker 1: I personally am feeling the joy. Like genuinely, I feel
Speaker 1: like every show, I'm just like gushing because every win,
Speaker 1: you know, you're winning so much lately that it feels
Speaker 1: it's just it's just booying. It's like a booye for
Speaker 1: myself as well. So I'm super super proud of you.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean that's a really cool award. That
Speaker 1: is dope.
Speaker 2: It is I just yeah, like I said, even if
Speaker 2: I don't, just to be nominated just feels like and honestly,
Speaker 2: I feel doing the work is really hard, like you know,
Speaker 2: with Doctor Green and like kind of like cracking open
Speaker 2: the things that you know make you feel sad, but
Speaker 2: I feel good. Actually I've been like crying more, but
Speaker 2: like you know, like in a normal like I'm sad
Speaker 2: about that, but then like happy again and like my
Speaker 2: old self again, where like you know, actual fluctuating feelings,
Speaker 2: and it just feels really good to like be present
Speaker 2: in that and to like you know, to go through
Speaker 2: those emotions because they're natural and they ought to be
Speaker 2: and it a like feeling sadness when I'm sad allows
Speaker 2: me to feel happy when I'm happy. And so it's
Speaker 2: just been really good and you know, I encourage anyone, anyone, anyone,
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's therapy or coaching or whatever that
Speaker 2: kind of looks like for you, it's a lot of
Speaker 2: hard work if you're you know, I mean, I know,
Speaker 2: not everyone can afford it. Oftentimes sometimes like especially therapy
Speaker 2: might be covered by your insurance. You should certainly look
Speaker 2: into it. But it's just so helpful if you're able
Speaker 2: to kind of because I don't want to take with me,
Speaker 2: like the stuff with me the next twenty or thirty
Speaker 2: or forty years, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 2: want to unpack it now and like it's just been
Speaker 2: excited for like what lies ahead.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you deserve it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Manja.
Speaker 1: I'm probably on our we on our grown Ish we
Speaker 1: on our beginning in the middle Ish.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, congrats, Okay, I'm so excited. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do. Can I watch the end? Double?
Speaker 1: I don't know how it's gonna work. I'm sure you'll
Speaker 1: have details. I'll check out your Instagram page. Yes, oh okay,
Speaker 1: all right, well thanks for another wonderful show. I have
Speaker 1: to go upstairs because apparently my son's having a meltdown
Speaker 1: because he's teething.
Speaker 2: Oh I saw him with your microwave. I thought that
Speaker 2: was so cute.
Speaker 1: Oh where he put the entire Dutch oven in the microwave. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he loves He might be like I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think all babies like to cook, but he he loves
Speaker 1: watching me cook. But it's really dangerous to the point
Speaker 1: where he wants he wants to be held while I'm cooking,
Speaker 1: which you know, grease is flying all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I've started just like opening the pots and pans
Speaker 1: and he'll take them out, and like, I opened a
Speaker 1: little package of baby tomatoes and he is that what
Speaker 1: you call them? What are they called baby?
Speaker 2: You know the little one tomatoes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, those tomatoes, and he puts them in the
Speaker 1: pot and he stirs them up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: It's safe. But now he puts it in the microwave
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, shoot, he knows how to push
Speaker 1: the button.
Speaker 2: And I saw that, oh Rio with the peg attention.
Speaker 2: He was like, push the button.
Speaker 1: Once he knows how to do. He's just waiting. He
Speaker 1: has been waiting, lying in wait all this time. Now
Speaker 1: he's like, I got the legs, I got I can
Speaker 1: walk I had the height. It's over for these, it's tall.
Speaker 2: He is so tall too. Yes, Oh he's such a
Speaker 2: cutie pie. I love those curls. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: Mama got cute curls. You got cute curls.