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Speaker 3: Today because it's different. We obviously got a lot to
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Speaker 1: We also have two guests on so for multiple reasons,
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Speaker 1: So Lance's gonna join us after this first commercial break,
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Speaker 1: a very busy day today in terms of guests, and
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Speaker 1: Rampage tomorrow night. I almost screw that up because Rickish
Speaker 1: is on Rampage and he issued an open challenge and uh,
Speaker 1: we didn't know who it is because it was taped.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they didn't just announce it, but
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Back in the show, Brain Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Alive.
Speaker 1: I've got Mike simper vv and Lance Storm here and
Speaker 1: actually Lance for we get anything else, tell us about
Speaker 1: Bound for Glory coming up this weekend.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we're in Detroit for our biggest show of the year.
Speaker 8: I think the most exciting recent announcement is speedball Mike
Speaker 8: Bailey versus VIKINGO for the X Division Championship. I can't
Speaker 8: fath him away. That won't be incredible. We have Josh
Speaker 8: Alexander Jed Josh Alexander against Steve Macklin. I believe, We've
Speaker 8: got Jordan Grace Masha Slamovich for the Knockouts Championship. And
Speaker 8: we of course have Nick Nemath defending the TNA World
Speaker 8: title against If you believe Joe.
Speaker 3: Henry, well, we all believe Lance.
Speaker 8: And then I should not forget the full Metal Mayhem,
Speaker 8: TNA's version of tables, ladders and chairs the Hardy Boys.
Speaker 8: Almost twenty five years ago they had their first TLC match,
Speaker 8: and they are going after the TNA Tag Team Championships
Speaker 8: in a three way full medal Mayhem match with tables,
Speaker 8: ladders and chairs.
Speaker 1: Man they could win the tag team titles one last time.
Speaker 8: They could in a match they were part of to
Speaker 8: make famous.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right, Hey, don't forget about the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8: Yes, Rhino and Bob Ryder, if memory.
Speaker 3: Serves, yes, that is correct.
Speaker 9: Lance. Did you have how much experience did you have
Speaker 9: crossing paths with Bob Ryder? Because he goes back to
Speaker 9: those WCW days and obviously his work on the website
Speaker 9: and then working for TNA for all of these years.
Speaker 9: Did you cross paths with Bob all that much?
Speaker 8: A little bit? I remember, Gosh, I'm I would have
Speaker 8: known him probably from his was it one wrestling dot
Speaker 8: com originally was dot com back in the ECW days,
Speaker 8: and then I remember we we got together and had
Speaker 8: lunch at a cracker barrel in Baton Rouge once when
Speaker 8: I was in WCW, and then I think he was
Speaker 8: the one the the first time I did a TNA appearance,
Speaker 8: when Scott and Don were running things they were they
Speaker 8: booked me to uh do some agenting in an appearance
Speaker 8: at a Windsor show, and he booked the travel and
Speaker 8: had me connecting in the States through Detroit, which would
Speaker 8: make me clear customs twice each way. And I remember
Speaker 8: just calling down going book me domestic travel or I'm
Speaker 8: not coming, and then Bob had to rebook my travel. Yeah,
Speaker 8: it might as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we got some news here. The attorney
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon's responded to a new lawsuit file. On Wednesday,
Speaker 1: His attorney, Jessica Rosenberg released his statement of Brandon Thurston
Speaker 1: denying the allegations filed by five survivors of the Ring
Speaker 1: Boy scandal who were suing Vince Linda W W E.
Speaker 1: Slash Tko claiming negligence on their behalf for doing nothing
Speaker 1: to stop sexual abuse of underaged boys from Mel Phillips,
Speaker 1: who was both an announcer and head of the Ring
Speaker 1: Crew in the eighties. The Rosenberg's statement reads, more than
Speaker 1: thirty years ago, this is the statement, Okay, are you
Speaker 1: ready for this? More than thirty years ago, the columnist
Speaker 1: Phil Mushnick tried to make headlines with these same false claims.
Speaker 1: Those allegations were never proved ultimately became the subject of
Speaker 1: a defamation lawsuit against mister Mushnick. The negligence claims against
Speaker 1: mister McMahon that were asserted today rely on these same absurd, defamatory,
Speaker 1: and utterly meritless statements by mister Mushnick. We will vigorously
Speaker 1: defend mister McMahon and are the court will find that
Speaker 1: these claims are untrue and unfounded. How many times do
Speaker 1: we hear Phil Mushnick's name in this short statement.
Speaker 9: It's the least of the product to worry about there.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Lance, we talked about the suit yesterday on
Speaker 1: Observer Live and Observer Radio. What do you make of
Speaker 1: all of this?
Speaker 8: Well, I think the thing that blows my mind the
Speaker 8: most why was WWF hiring twelve year old boys? Regardless
Speaker 8: of whether Vince McMahon knew or not? And I lean
Speaker 8: towards the new Why is the company employing twelve and
Speaker 8: thirteen year old kids to do jobs hanging around with
Speaker 8: the pro wrestling industry? Should they not be hiring adults
Speaker 8: for such things?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean all things aside. I mean I put
Speaker 1: together a ring or two, and if I'm putting together
Speaker 1: a wrestling ring, I don't want twelve year olds like
Speaker 1: big strong people, posts and frames and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of questions here, obviously.
Speaker 8: Yes, and there seems to be more and more of
Speaker 8: them coming out because I think, finally it's a generation
Speaker 8: where victims are looked at in a sympathetic light rather
Speaker 8: than in a defend the accused, which was the norm
Speaker 8: back in the day. I think shaming victims is over,
Speaker 8: and I think that's probably a good thing, and I'll
Speaker 8: even remove the probably it is a good thing. Not
Speaker 8: all allegations are true, but it seems like the vast
Speaker 8: majority of them tend to be.
Speaker 1: Well, we have five unnamed individuals, and they are hoping
Speaker 1: that more will come out.
Speaker 3: So we'll see. This was thirty years.
Speaker 1: Ago, so we'll find out if anybody else comes forward
Speaker 1: as part of this new lawsuit against Vince, Linda and
Speaker 1: WWE slash TKO.
Speaker 8: Tkos got to be happy. He's at least gone.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're bringing in new properties as well. They announced
Speaker 1: Thursday that TKO is acquiring the Professional Bull Writers Association
Speaker 1: on location in IMG from Endeavor sold in an all
Speaker 1: stock deal valued at three point twenty five billion for
Speaker 1: professional bull riders.
Speaker 3: So that's that.
Speaker 1: PBR doesn't have a logical time with either ww or UFC.
Speaker 8: But you know, maybe Dana can. Maybe Dana can bring
Speaker 8: in the the poker where they release the bulls and
Speaker 8: the man who stays at the table longest wins.
Speaker 9: You know, I would argue a little bit against what
Speaker 9: they would have in common with wrestling and fighting. To me,
Speaker 9: it's about the promotion of it, and it's about how
Speaker 9: you can get people to an event that they probably
Speaker 9: wouldn't show up to all the time. You're not going
Speaker 9: to go to bull riding or wrestling, I don't think
Speaker 9: in the same way you would eighty baseball or football games,
Speaker 9: you know, whatever games a year for a home team.
Speaker 9: But to have a sport like that where you can
Speaker 9: focus on the personalities, you can focus on the danger,
Speaker 9: you can build up a lot of hype behind it.
Speaker 9: I mean, I think that's actually a little bit more
Speaker 9: up their alley than say some other group getting it
Speaker 9: and trying to promote it in some other entertainment way
Speaker 9: or in a mainstream sports kind of way. I think
Speaker 9: it actually probably fits in perfectly with the UFC. In wrestling, we.
Speaker 1: Also got the Halloween Havoc viewership on the CW seven
Speaker 1: hundred two thousand viewers, up nine point nine percent from
Speaker 1: last week, third largest total since June eighteenth point sixteen
Speaker 1: and eighteen to forty nine, which is that's a n
Speaker 1: XT on USA numbers. They went headhead with the opening
Speaker 1: night of the NBA season on t n T an
Speaker 1: NHL marathon that featured every team in the league with
Speaker 1: games on TBS, ESPN Plus.
Speaker 3: And local networks.
Speaker 1: So they're building up for Halloween, have it coming up
Speaker 1: on on Sunday here, and uh yeah, I thought they
Speaker 1: would do better overall on CW. Maybe they will settle
Speaker 1: in doing better, but this is they're they're about USA
Speaker 1: network numbers now again, which I guess on CW isn't bad.
Speaker 1: They're by far, like they're the highest rated show on
Speaker 1: CW by like triple or something.
Speaker 3: Crazy.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 1: They're they're doing well, you know, in terms of how
Speaker 1: the network is doing, but you know overall those are
Speaker 1: those are USA numbers? Lance did you uh you got
Speaker 1: n XT now right?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 8: Not yet, I'm holding out. Oh I do have NX, yes, yeah,
Speaker 8: but I was tied up and busy yesterday. I had
Speaker 8: a terrible kerfluffle dealing with my dog, so did not
Speaker 8: get stuff watched. But can you please read numbers correctly?
Speaker 8: Point one six it's not point sixteen. That's not how
Speaker 8: you read numbers.
Speaker 3: Christmas. This is why I deal with every day, everybody,
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 9: Game seven to forty two, I hate that. Don't do that.
Speaker 9: It's forty two to seven.
Speaker 8: Come on, what is the one destimal numbers?
Speaker 4: Ones?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when people they get mad that I say
Speaker 1: it's October nine instead of October ninth. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, everybody. I got bigger fish to fry, like
Speaker 1: this Dynamite report when we come back from the break.
Speaker 3: Did you at least watch that one?
Speaker 8: Lance, I do not get a w I don't subscribe
Speaker 8: to TSN.
Speaker 3: But did you watch it?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, back in the moment it was over life come day.
Speaker 10: Nothing gets me that he can give.
Speaker 2: By my gosh, there's.
Speaker 5: Something that I won't try.
Speaker 2: But you were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian
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Speaker 1: The show Brian Elvera is here Wrestling Observer Live, make
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Speaker 3: It makes a great point here.
Speaker 1: Plus, people get upset when you either round up or
Speaker 1: don't round up the ratings number. Don't you dare round
Speaker 1: up or down? Dude, don't say zero point sixteen. All
Speaker 1: I hear is that people don't care about the ratings,
Speaker 1: But boy, they sure care.
Speaker 3: Now we're worry.
Speaker 1: Dynamite last night It's gonna be the de Lance's easiest
Speaker 1: day ever. He didn't even watch a show. He's only
Speaker 1: a one segment left. If you'd like to jump in
Speaker 1: Lance with any insight reel free to uh to do
Speaker 1: so well. What happened on the show, Well, we had
Speaker 1: an interview with Hangman and out comes old Jay White
Speaker 1: and Juice, and Hangman leaves and Jay White basically he
Speaker 1: wants to get his hands on him again. Soon as
Speaker 1: I look back, that's like all it happened. It seemed
Speaker 1: like there was more at the time. I think I
Speaker 1: was mostly just concerned about Hangman's leg. He did such
Speaker 1: a good job selling that. Many people, including people there,
Speaker 1: thought he got hurt. Turns out he was just selling.
Speaker 1: It was very, very well done. Then we had Shelton
Speaker 1: and Sammy Gavara, which of course Shelton won, and I
Speaker 1: saw a lot of heat online for Shelton beating Sammy Gavara.
Speaker 3: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: We're setting up a match here with Swerve next week, Like,
Speaker 1: what do people expect to happen? Samy's gonna beat him?
Speaker 1: And then Shelton goes in to face what what are
Speaker 1: we talking about here? Could someone help me?
Speaker 3: Out.
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's the argument you often bring up.
Speaker 8: It's like, yes, once the match is booked, Shelton has
Speaker 8: to win. But there are those that will argue the
Speaker 8: match shouldn't have been booked because they don't want someone
Speaker 8: who is viewed as an AEW original losing to a
Speaker 8: former WWE shall we say mid card.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, if if that's what you think, then it's
Speaker 1: a totally valid argument to say that Shelton should have
Speaker 1: beaten Bear Bronson or somebody. Okay, but the fact is like,
Speaker 1: once the match was made, there's only one finish.
Speaker 3: Yes, so Renee was.
Speaker 1: With Mariah May was leaving with some luggage, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't hers, it was Anna Jay's. He once or kicked
Speaker 1: out of the locker room and then Anna showed up
Speaker 1: and they had a brawl. Chris Daniels broke it up.
Speaker 1: They're having a match coming up. I will say one
Speaker 1: thing about this show.
Speaker 3: Two things.
Speaker 1: Actually I need to uh because I'm a fair man here,
Speaker 1: way better job doing angles and promoting matches for down
Speaker 1: the road We got matches for Actually, I will say
Speaker 1: they've done a terrible job with Collision.
Speaker 3: But as far as like.
Speaker 1: Dynamite upcoming Dynamite shows. I mean, they're doing an excellent job,
Speaker 1: so that's good. And the other thing I got to say.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say this on Observer Radio last night,
Speaker 1: but we were already ninety minutes into the show and
Speaker 1: I did not want to get into this.
Speaker 3: I believe they've.
Speaker 1: Fixed the overrun issue because it has now been like
Speaker 1: three four weeks They've had an overrun every time and
Speaker 1: YouTube TV has picked it up every time, So I
Speaker 1: think they finally solved that problem. So after like a
Speaker 1: year of complaining about it, I want to say thank
Speaker 1: you for solving the YouTube overrun issue. Hopefully we'll see
Speaker 1: some better overruns now. We had a Kyle and will
Speaker 1: ospray video package, followed by Kyle and Don coming down
Speaker 1: of the ring man. These guys had some heat, and
Speaker 1: we had a guy who was at the show last night,
Speaker 1: and you know, he said, not a big crowd, not
Speaker 1: a very rabid crowd, but boy were they allowed during
Speaker 1: this segment, and they were. They hated Kyle, the hated Don.
Speaker 1: I thought that overall, Kyle did a pretty great job.
Speaker 3: He went a little long.
Speaker 1: I would have I think he talked for seven straight minutes.
Speaker 1: I would have cut a little bit off.
Speaker 3: That, but he he did a great.
Speaker 1: Job actually in building up this feud with will Ospray,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have a face to face next week.
Speaker 1: And the only negative to me is that Kyle's whole
Speaker 1: point is I keep hearing people compare me to you.
Speaker 1: I do not want to be anything like you. I
Speaker 1: am not you, will Ospray. And therefore he got out
Speaker 1: a razor and he shaved his head. And for those
Speaker 1: of you that have been following the career of Kyle Fletcher,
Speaker 1: he's actually very much like me. When I was younger,
Speaker 1: never had a good haircut, not a single one. And
Speaker 1: he finally had probably the best haircut he's ever had,
Speaker 1: and he shaved his head.
Speaker 8: At least he's the first wrestler I've seen that knows
Speaker 8: which way the clippers go and did it correctly. It's true,
Speaker 8: true she was head up by having them in the
Speaker 8: wrong way.
Speaker 1: A lot of wrestlers, you know, they they don't cut
Speaker 1: their own hair. I do, which is also why I
Speaker 1: so rarely had a nice haircut in my lifetime.
Speaker 3: And then we had a Ricochet promo. It's another one.
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to like complain
Speaker 1: because they're doing a lot better. But like Ricochet issues
Speaker 1: an open challenge for Rampage, so they do the Rampage
Speaker 1: tapings and like I know it is, and it's like,
Speaker 1: why DIDN'TY announce that?
Speaker 3: Why didn't we announce that match? No spoilers? People get mad.
Speaker 1: We had Lance Archer and Brian Cage in an NXT spell.
Speaker 1: They beat two men. They did not identify the men.
Speaker 1: The men did not have a graphic. The announcer did
Speaker 1: not appear to have any idea who these men were.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like sometimes this happens and I just
Speaker 1: go to our website to see the report that's written
Speaker 1: on the front pages, like, okay, who are these guys?
Speaker 3: Well, they had no idea either. I have no idea
Speaker 3: who these two men are. No clue. Could have been
Speaker 3: Tyreek And.
Speaker 8: Anyway, I think if I had to take that beating,
Speaker 8: I'd rather than not use my name either.
Speaker 3: Well, sure, but I mean it's just weird.
Speaker 1: Then Chuck Taylor says, there are all these geeks outside, it's
Speaker 1: like ninety percent geeks, and then you know there's Mark
Speaker 1: Risco and you know, I guess Chiff Chert's not a geek.
Speaker 1: But outcomes Chuck Taylor and he says, hey, you know
Speaker 1: you're up next, Briscoe, you gotta go in, and so
Speaker 1: he starts going in, and then Chuck says, Orange, these nerds.
Speaker 3: He didn't say the word nerds, but we know what
Speaker 3: you say. These nerds people beat up Mosing this crew.
Speaker 3: We all know this.
Speaker 1: None of them have beaten those guys. But you have
Speaker 1: You need to step up. And of course Orange does
Speaker 1: not want to step up. He does not want to
Speaker 1: be the hero. Mark Brisco Chris Jericho Ring of Honor
Speaker 1: World Title in a Latter War, Jericho won the title.
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people were really upset about
Speaker 1: this online, and uh the match was like a really
Speaker 1: good match, and I watched it and I thought, okay, well,
Speaker 1: clearly Mark Brisco is winning the title back from Jericho
Speaker 1: at Final Battle, and they may be trying to get
Speaker 1: a Ring of Honor television deal and figure that Chris
Speaker 1: Jericho's Ring of Honor Champion is a bigger deal to
Speaker 1: your television exec Rando than Mark.
Speaker 3: Risco as the Ring of Honor Champion.
Speaker 1: And Mark Brisco also has talked about wanting to be
Speaker 1: in the Continental Classic and that's coming up in like
Speaker 1: a month or so, maybe six weeks. And Tony's not
Speaker 1: like one of those guys that wants to put a
Speaker 1: champion in the Continental Classic and have him lose. A
Speaker 1: bunch is champion. So I think there was a lot
Speaker 1: going on here to necessitate this title change. But people
Speaker 1: are upset.
Speaker 9: I'm glad you mentioned that, because that was the first
Speaker 9: thing I thought of, too, was well, you're trying to
Speaker 9: sell E W Shockwave or whatever that's called, and you
Speaker 9: know Chris Jericho is going to be used because of
Speaker 9: his profile to go out there. You would want him there,
Speaker 9: So bring in the big belt along with him, and
Speaker 9: you know, bring in all the bells and whistles that
Speaker 9: you can to try to garner some attention and you know,
Speaker 9: try to get this TV deal done.
Speaker 1: I mean, why do you think when AW started it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, John Moxley, Chris Jericho. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was a reason for that. They were trying to
Speaker 1: get things off with big name stars. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: if they're trying to get an Roah television deal, it
Speaker 1: is probably gonna be the same thing we had an
Speaker 1: Adam Cole promo. Oh my lord, the show fell off
Speaker 1: a Cliff from here, somebody loves Adam Cole comes out
Speaker 1: before he can talk. Out comes Roderick Strong and the
Speaker 1: Kingdom and they want to get back together with Adam.
Speaker 1: Nobody in the crowd buys this. They all think they're
Speaker 1: gonna turn on him. They don't want him to go
Speaker 1: with them. They're waiting for him to say, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know I wanna be I'm gonna go to Loan
Speaker 1: and in said he goes, you're right, Roddy, and the
Speaker 1: crowd is like dead silent, like what Adam Cole and
Speaker 1: the and so fair together? And then he calls out Max,
Speaker 1: and Max does a promo from the big screen and
Speaker 1: his his story is, you know, whichever one of you,
Speaker 1: Adam Cole or Roderick Strong, whoever can win three matches
Speaker 1: in a row on this show. First, you know you
Speaker 1: you'll get a shot at me at at full gear,
Speaker 1: which kind of makes me think like Adam's gonna be
Speaker 1: almost there beating Roddy, and then Roddy's gonna screw Adam.
Speaker 1: So maybe the fans will be right in the end.
Speaker 1: But one way or the other, I mean, the fans
Speaker 1: were not into this segment at all.
Speaker 9: That's the only way it makes sense to insert them
Speaker 9: into the storyline. And will somebody please ask Roderick Strong
Speaker 9: what his wife is doing? And somebody maybe ask Renee
Speaker 9: when she's asking questions to say, what's up with Max?
Speaker 3: How's a black one? A squash?
Speaker 1: And then Buddy Matthews challenged Adam Cole. For next week,
Speaker 1: we had Camille and Queen Aminada, which was atrocious. This
Speaker 1: match was absolutely atrocious and Camille won and that sets
Speaker 1: up Camille in stat Lander. And this was one of
Speaker 1: those matches where you'd have been way better off without
Speaker 1: a match to make me interested in Camille versus stat Lander.
Speaker 9: Why is Camille just not killing people in twenty seconds?
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Speaker 1: His segment where Kip Sabian ends up with the patriarchy,
Speaker 1: I was not high on this segment. And then they
Speaker 1: beat up Hook Christian was the guy who attacked Taz
Speaker 1: by the way. And then the main event was Private
Speaker 1: Party in Daniel Garcia versus the Young Bucks and Jack Perry.
Speaker 3: Private Party one. They beat the Buck.
Speaker 1: They demanded a title shot and the Bucks are like
Speaker 1: not happening, and so without permission from his partner, we
Speaker 1: had Zay say if you give us another shot next week.
Speaker 1: If we lose, we will split up as a team forever.
Speaker 1: So the Bucks ended up giving him the match and
Speaker 1: that's next week. And then the main event segment was
Speaker 1: the BCC. They managed to get to the building. They
Speaker 1: killed Chuck Taylor. They pilmanized his neck. Orange Cassidy ends
Speaker 1: up hitting the ring. He's heartbroken. Looks like Moxley' Orange
Speaker 1: Cassidy at full gear. We gotta go to the break. Hey,
Speaker 1: thanks Lance, I see you next time. Wrestling Observer Live.
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: By the show Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live. I'm
Speaker 1: Mike simper viv also of Wrestling Observer dot Com. I'm
Speaker 1: very happy today can be joined by Brett Lauderdale. We
Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about here, Brett. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of shows coming up.
Speaker 4: There is a lot of shows coming up, all all
Speaker 4: big and very exciting.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the Hammerstein First.
Speaker 3: Yes, I saw this video the other day.
Speaker 4: You're in it.
Speaker 3: I him minute.
Speaker 1: At least I wasn't the only guy that said, eh.
Speaker 4: That's okay, listen. I appreciated the feedback then and I
Speaker 4: appreciate it now and it made for a good intro
Speaker 4: to our video. So, uh, you know, thanks for that.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: So what what were your thoughts on that show? I mean,
Speaker 1: we saw everybody else's thoughts, Like what did you think?
Speaker 1: Because I'll just cut you off here very quickly, because like, sometimes, okay,
Speaker 1: sometimes you're doing something in my case it would be wrestling,
Speaker 1: and there's like some criticism about what you did, and
Speaker 1: like sometimes you hear the criticism, you're like, oh this
Speaker 1: person keyboard whatever, but then sometimes like yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it sucked. I thought it sucked. To you know, it's
Speaker 1: always like you never know what you're gonna get with
Speaker 1: with something like that.
Speaker 3: What was your thoughts on that show.
Speaker 4: Sure, I'm gladly glad you asked, because I don't think
Speaker 4: anybody's ever actually asked me what I thought about it.
Speaker 4: And the truth is, I'm very proud of that show.
Speaker 4: You know, that was a big deal for us, It
Speaker 4: was a big deal for any independent wrestling company. And
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, as far as delivering an actual
Speaker 4: quality production and you know, a big time event, I
Speaker 4: thought we did a really good job. And you know,
Speaker 4: I'll always look back and be proud of that event.
Speaker 4: Now that being said, was it Do I think it
Speaker 4: was perfect?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 4: Of course There's things I would change now, you know,
Speaker 4: if only we had a time machine, there's definitely things
Speaker 4: that would have done differently. But you know, I'm not
Speaker 4: I'm not ashamed of it. You know, I don't wish
Speaker 4: it never happened, you know, you know, it's definitely something
Speaker 4: that I'll always be able to, you know, look back
Speaker 4: on and say, hey, we made history that day. And
Speaker 4: the fact that there was people that had such strong
Speaker 4: opinions on both sides is actually you know, flattering and
Speaker 4: humbling because enough people cared, you know, to to voice
Speaker 4: their opinions, and you know, there were a lot of
Speaker 4: people that didn't enjoy it, but there was also a
Speaker 4: lot of people that really did like it and told me,
Speaker 4: you know, that was the greatest show I ever saw,
Speaker 4: or the greatest show I ever attended, you know, and
Speaker 4: people that have said for the last three years, when
Speaker 4: are you going to do it again? So, you know,
Speaker 4: I appreciate the feedback on both sides, and I appreciate
Speaker 4: that people cared enough to comment on it, including you. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, it's I don't take it personally, and if anything,
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's motivating to give it another shot
Speaker 4: and and see if we can do better.
Speaker 1: Now, the obvious question is if you if you watch
Speaker 1: that video, I mean, the story of the video seems
Speaker 1: to be we're gonna hit it out of the park
Speaker 1: this time. And does that put extra pressure on you?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: I mean, sure, there's always pressure when you are an
Speaker 4: event of this magnitude, but you know, I like the pressure.
Speaker 4: You know again, I feel like, you know, pressure motivates you,
Speaker 4: and you know, if you want to be you know,
Speaker 4: if you want to be a major player in this
Speaker 4: industry or any industry, you know, you need to have
Speaker 4: pressure and be able to live up to it. So
Speaker 4: you know, I don't you know who knows, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, all I can all I can say is
Speaker 4: once again, you know, we're gonna try our best. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna try to do a few things differentely this time.
Speaker 4: I have some ideas, and you know, I hope people
Speaker 4: enjoy it, you know, as far as the video goes,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, it's just you know, it was
Speaker 4: I thought it was a cool concept. I thought it
Speaker 4: was a way to kind of lean into the criticisms
Speaker 4: and you know, come up with a cool video to
Speaker 4: get people's attention. So as far as you know, being
Speaker 4: creative and whatnot, I think we're off to a good start.
Speaker 9: It was a great video and one of the things
Speaker 9: that it focused on was the use of outsiders. And
Speaker 9: obviously people felt a sort of way about Jeff Jarrett,
Speaker 9: Nephi or Ruby Soho and Ali and all that sort
Speaker 9: of stuff. But you still have to bring in people
Speaker 9: and create buzz, create interests, and you've continued to do that.
Speaker 9: How difficult is it to try to walk that line
Speaker 9: between running a business that's successful and continues to grow
Speaker 9: but still be able to have one hand back in
Speaker 9: the street and one hand back with your outlaws and
Speaker 9: try to both of those things, you know, kind of
Speaker 9: yin and yang together.
Speaker 4: No, of course, it's a very tricky balance. You know,
Speaker 4: when we're just doing you know, our regular events and
Speaker 4: our regular calendar. You know, we're you know, we're we're
Speaker 4: selling five six hundred tickets and smaller venues, you know,
Speaker 4: and we're streaming you know, regularly on our triiller and
Speaker 4: there's you know, it's different than when you're running an
Speaker 4: event at Hammerstein where the rent is six figures. You
Speaker 4: have over two thousand tickets to sell and you're trying
Speaker 4: to sell X amount of pay per views. You know,
Speaker 4: you have to go outside of your bubble. You can't
Speaker 4: use you know, selling five hundred tickets is not going
Speaker 4: to cut it. You know, you have to expand that base.
Speaker 4: You have to generate buzz and get people to watch
Speaker 4: your show and attend your show that wouldn't normally be there.
Speaker 4: So you need to use and try to figure out
Speaker 4: who those people are, people that are outside of your
Speaker 4: normal your normal bubble and your normal fan base. And
Speaker 4: it worked the first time, you know, the results. You know,
Speaker 4: maybe from a creative standpoint, maybe it wasn't. It didn't
Speaker 4: you know, it didn't go over the way we would
Speaker 4: have hoped, but from a business standpoint, it worked on
Speaker 4: It was the largest uh paid attendance for any show
Speaker 4: in history, or any wrestling show in history at the
Speaker 4: Hammerstein Ballroom. The pay per view numbers were by indie
Speaker 4: wrestling standpoints, astronomical. Uh. It changed GCW's I mean it changed.
Speaker 4: It changed GCW period. You know. It was life changing
Speaker 4: for me and for our company. So for me to again,
Speaker 4: for me to look back and think of that event
Speaker 4: as a failure is absurd, you know. And to anybody
Speaker 4: who would be you know, on the inside or privy
Speaker 4: to that information, you again, you would say that was
Speaker 4: an astronomical success, you know. But there is a fine line,
Speaker 4: of course, you know there the day to day GCW fans,
Speaker 4: you know, they expect a certain type of show, and
Speaker 4: I respect that. And those are the people who at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, you know, when hammers Tign's
Speaker 4: over and we resume our regular activities, those are the
Speaker 4: people I report to. So I understand, you know where
Speaker 4: they're coming from, and I think you know people and
Speaker 4: at least I hope people can understand, you know, the
Speaker 4: other side of the coin.
Speaker 1: Too, you know, you kind of answer the question, but
Speaker 1: wwe I've seen them run a few shows where they
Speaker 1: got they got ten times worse reviews than any show
Speaker 1: you've ever done in your life. And you know one
Speaker 1: of them is that I think it was a twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen rumble with Roman Reigns, And you know, there were
Speaker 1: a lot of people really upset two years ago when
Speaker 1: Roman ended up beating Cody on that show. And you know,
Speaker 1: you always hear when something like that happens, I am done,
Speaker 1: I will never watch this again, blah blah blah. But
Speaker 1: like in both of those examples, like even though people
Speaker 1: claim that and it was so horrible and they weren't
Speaker 1: watching the show anymore whatever, like they did big business
Speaker 1: starting the next day. So I guess you know you
Speaker 1: kind of answered that, like in in the wake of
Speaker 1: that show, I mean, you saw big growth coming off
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, for sure. I mean if you look at
Speaker 4: what we've done since then, our schedule only picked up,
Speaker 4: and our schedule wouldn't pick up if people weren't if
Speaker 4: people weren't coming to the shows and they weren't watching them.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not I'm not in a in business
Speaker 4: to lose money or do things just to do them.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm in a I'm in this business to
Speaker 4: support my family and to grow our business. So I mean, again,
Speaker 4: you know, the proof is in the pudding if you
Speaker 4: just look at GCW has done since then. I mean,
Speaker 4: the the after you know, the aftermath, the the after
Speaker 4: effects are still I mean, we're still reaping the benefits today.
Speaker 1: So I guess the other question is, looking at this
Speaker 1: business changes very rapidly. We're talking three years ago, how
Speaker 1: has business changed for you in ways that are better
Speaker 1: and worse? I mean, obviously Vince is gone, and so
Speaker 1: a lot of his nutty hiring requirements throughout the windows,
Speaker 1: so you know, they've signed a lot of guys and
Speaker 1: Aw's got like two hundred odds something people under contract
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, how have things changed for the
Speaker 1: better and for the worse over the last three years
Speaker 1: in terms of having to do business well?
Speaker 4: Like you said, you know, and in particular wrestling business,
Speaker 4: indie wrestling business changes every day. You know, people ask
Speaker 4: me all the time, you know, for you know, whatever advice,
Speaker 4: what should I do with this? You know, people ask
Speaker 4: me long term stuff. I'm like, the honest truth is
Speaker 4: stuff is going to change every day, So don't even
Speaker 4: ask me that, you know, just to worry about what
Speaker 4: you're doing right now. But you know, in the last
Speaker 4: three years, I mean, honestly, there's been more change for
Speaker 4: what I do on a day to day basis because
Speaker 4: of AW than because of any with Vince or w
Speaker 4: w E. When when AW came in, both for better
Speaker 4: and for worse, you know, there was dramatic changes to
Speaker 4: the wrestling business, you know, and you know it made suddenly,
Speaker 4: you know, uh, hundreds of wrestlers who were you know,
Speaker 4: otherwise independent or unemployed were now suddenly in play and
Speaker 4: employed and getting paid well and getting what they deserve
Speaker 4: in a lot of cases.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 4: But it you know, obviously created a major shift in
Speaker 4: you know, the talent pool and forced us again this
Speaker 4: is a for better and worse situation, you know, forced
Speaker 4: everybody to get creative, find new talent, talent, find new
Speaker 4: ways to develop talent. And yeah, just you know, everything changed,
Speaker 4: Uh as far as on the w W side goes, Yeah,
Speaker 4: of course everything's different now. Suddenly WWE is open to
Speaker 4: not just acknowledging the idea that wrestling exists outside of
Speaker 4: the WWE, but working with hand in hand with companies
Speaker 4: that aren't WWE, and anybody you know, you guys, myself,
Speaker 4: anybody who's been a wrestling fan for you know, their
Speaker 4: whole You don't have to be wrestling fan for your
Speaker 4: whole life just for a you know, a long time.
Speaker 4: You know how crazy that is, And it's you know,
Speaker 4: we've been fortunate to be on you know the side
Speaker 4: of acknowledgment if you will. You know the fact that
Speaker 4: they've been willing to work with us on blood Sport
Speaker 4: and lend their talent. That's something that when I started GCW,
Speaker 4: I could have never imagined possible. So there's been a
Speaker 4: lot of changes.
Speaker 1: So he also announced the WrestleMania Weekend in Vegas, and.
Speaker 14: Like, how are things?
Speaker 1: You know, WWE now is like it's completely on fire.
Speaker 1: It's a new boom period as far as like generating revenue,
Speaker 1: they're bigger than there they've ever been. This is a
Speaker 1: big change from like twenty nineteen. But I mean WrestleMania
Speaker 1: Weekend's always been successful. But I mean, how are you
Speaker 1: anticipating this doing?
Speaker 3: Is this going to be?
Speaker 1: You feel a trickle down for you guys have have
Speaker 1: you know, what what do you see.
Speaker 4: Well, we've always been fortunate. The collective has always done well.
Speaker 4: From from the first year we did it in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 4: it's always been very successful for us and all our partners,
Speaker 4: you know, knock on wood, and I hope and anticipate
Speaker 4: that it will be successful again this year. You know,
Speaker 4: it seems like as you you know, WWB is so
Speaker 4: hot right now. You know, everything they do is selling out.
Speaker 4: People are traveling to go see them, and and as
Speaker 4: far as destination weekends go rustle Mania Weekend, Summerslime Weekend,
Speaker 4: et cetera. The things that we're part of, that's all
Speaker 4: good for us. So you know, I anticipate that we'll
Speaker 4: continue to see you know, that same trickle down and
Speaker 4: that benefit from you know, if people are coming to
Speaker 4: cwwe hopefully they'll come and see us as well, and
Speaker 4: they always have in the past, so hopefully it stays
Speaker 4: the same. But you know, this year's event, this year's
Speaker 4: collective is going to be taking place at the Palms Resort,
Speaker 4: casino and resort at the Pearl Theater, which is truly
Speaker 4: a beautiful property. It's a beautiful casino, beautiful hotel, I mean,
Speaker 4: top of the line. It's almost you know, I joke
Speaker 4: about it. It's almost too nice for us. I don't
Speaker 4: even know what we're doing there, but it makes it'll
Speaker 4: make for a great experience for fans that are coming
Speaker 4: to our events or staying at the hotel as part
Speaker 4: of our room block. We have great partners lined up
Speaker 4: who I'm looking forward to announcing. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: we go big every year. We go big on the collective,
Speaker 4: so this year will be no different and hopefully it's
Speaker 4: as successful as the past year's.
Speaker 1: Well, you sort of answered the question, but you know,
Speaker 1: these people asking you about long term. We got about
Speaker 1: ten seconds here. Do you have a plan in your
Speaker 1: head of some sort for WRESTLEMANI weekend?
Speaker 4: Yet lots of great shows all day?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, said bye back in a moment.
Speaker 14: Observer Line.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike SIMPERBB on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 3: Better the show.
Speaker 1: Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live, Mike SIMPERVB also Wrestling
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Speaker 3: Brettlauderdale joining us here today.
Speaker 1: We got a couple of minutes here, so let's get
Speaker 1: some plugs in for what you got upcoming, as well
Speaker 1: as social media and more.
Speaker 4: Sure our next real big mega event November twenty third,
Speaker 4: which is a Saturday, November twenty third at the American
Speaker 4: Dream in East Rutherford. I think it's it's the Mall
Speaker 4: of America of the East Coast, so I think, you know,
Speaker 4: Monday night SRO at the Mall of America that's going
Speaker 4: to be us on November twenty third, that's at two pm.
Speaker 4: And of course later that night seven pm right down
Speaker 4: the road in Newark is adew So anybody up in
Speaker 4: the East Coast, that's a good day for wrestling if
Speaker 4: you are if your game. Aside from that, yeah, Hammerstein's
Speaker 4: January nineteenth. We have a big slate of events coming up.
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Speaker 4: I think so?
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Speaker 4: It's a great deal. Whatever it is, it's a great deal.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a lot of great stuff up there, everybody,
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Speaker 3: Luck with everything.
Speaker 1: We're gonna try to get some more people on here
Speaker 1: and plug some some GCWED events and have some fun.
Speaker 3: But I really appreciate you coming on today.
Speaker 1: Best of luck with everything, and uh yeah, we'll talk
Speaker 1: to you soon.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me, and definitely let's do it
Speaker 4: again soon and have a great afternoon.
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