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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: We just got from our reporters inside the courthouse. This

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Speaker 2: is on the first count, count one, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 2: found guilty. This is the former president of the United States,

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Speaker 2: current presumptive Republican nominee is now a convicted felon, at

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Speaker 2: least on one count. Count two also guilty. Remember, we

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Speaker 2: have thirty four counts to get through here. This could

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Speaker 2: take some time. Count three now Joe is also guilty.

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Speaker 3: They're going to keep coming in here pretty quickly as

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Speaker 3: the jury confirms to the judge they have a verdict,

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Speaker 3: and this is going to start moving one, two, three guilty.

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Speaker 3: Count four is just coming in right now. From our

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Speaker 3: reporters inside the courtroom. Will remind you that we do

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Speaker 3: not have cameras and microphones where the jury is reading

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Speaker 3: Count one guilty, Count two guilty, same for count three.

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Speaker 3: And it looks like we have so far all guilty

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Speaker 3: waiting for number four. If I'm reading this right, it's

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Speaker 3: now five guilty counts of thirty four. Kaylee will be

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Speaker 3: watching these stream in for the next couple of moments.

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Speaker 2: Well, and now it's six, seven, even up to nine

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Speaker 2: counts guilty. Dane it seems that we are looking fairly

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Speaker 2: consistent across all of these and it's worth keeping in

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Speaker 2: mind that now that we have a guilty conviction on

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Speaker 2: this twelve counts. Now he has been found guilty of

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Speaker 2: each one of these carries a maximum penalty of four

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Speaker 2: years in prison. Danna. Obviously he will not be sentenced today.

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Speaker 2: The judge will schedule that for later. But as we

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Speaker 2: now have sixteen guilty counts, do you expect he will

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Speaker 4: I think that Judgement Shaan, throughout the course of the

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Speaker 4: trial has emphasized how big of a deal it would

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Speaker 4: be to put the former president and potential future president

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Speaker 4: in prison, and so I think he's going to be

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Speaker 4: weighing all of the options. I do not think Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump will be remanded today, so I don't think he'll

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Speaker 4: go in today. And we'll see what Judgementschhaan does down

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Speaker 3: We are now at twenty seven guilty counts. This is

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Speaker 3: remarkable as we make our way to thirty four. Here

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Speaker 3: now twenty nine guilty counts coming from the jury in

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Speaker 3: the courthouse in Lower Manhattan. Kaylee, we should probably let

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Speaker 3: this breathe. We're now at thirty thirty one on our

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Speaker 3: way to thirty four. This appears to be across the.

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Speaker 2: Board thirty two guilty. Now there's only two counts left remaining,

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Speaker 2: thirty three. We're waiting for the last one.

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Speaker 3: Remarkable.

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Speaker 2: Thirty four. Every single count with which Donald Trump was

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Speaker 2: charged thirty four felony counts of falsifying business records he

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Speaker 2: has indeed been found guilty of. Donald Trump is now

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Speaker 2: running for president as a convicted felon, A convicted felon.

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Speaker 3: Deanna, what is the Trump team planning now for an.

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Speaker 5: Appeal or an appeal?

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Speaker 4: They've been laying the groundwork throughout the course of the child,

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Speaker 4: starting with the testimony from Stormy Daniels and about the

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Speaker 4: the details of their sexual encounter. I think there's a

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Speaker 4: number of different things that have come up throughout, but

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Speaker 4: they've definitely been objecting enough that there are grounds for

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Speaker 2: All right, Dana, Paul, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 2: with us as we deal with a breaking in real

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Speaker 2: time story. Former President Donald Trump found guilty on all

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Speaker 2: accounts in this criminal hush money trial. Joining us now

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Speaker 2: for more analysis Bloomberg's Mario Parker and Megan Scully. Mario,

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Speaker 2: obviously you covered the Trump White House, you now lead

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Speaker 2: our White House and politics coverage. He is a convicted felon,

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Speaker 2: and yet he is still going to be unless something

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Speaker 2: changes the Republican nominee for president. What does this change

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Speaker 2: politically as we are going to await his sentencing on.

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Speaker 5: This, well, I think Joe used the word remarkable. What

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Speaker 5: a remarkable time where we're living here right now? Right

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Speaker 5: I'm looking at some of the polling that's out, It's

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Speaker 5: state Bloomberg Morning Console poll had about twenty three percent

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Speaker 5: PBS News Hour NPR, sixty seven percent of Americans say

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Speaker 5: that a conviction would make no difference. So we're all

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Speaker 5: over the place. What we do know is that the

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Speaker 5: saying that even mother Teresa, who would be found guilty

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Speaker 5: the scarlet letter of a felony right on his record.

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Speaker 5: We know that the Biden campaign will be attacking him

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Speaker 5: along those lines. What they have to do is signal

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Speaker 5: that this isn't a hush money case that he got

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Speaker 5: branding as long as it's a hush money case that

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Speaker 5: kind of works in Donald Trump's favor. Right, it's salacious,

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Speaker 5: but Americans are used to kind of the selaciousness with

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Speaker 3: This comes down to connecting the dots to that secondary argument. Essentially, Mario,

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Speaker 3: the reaction from Congress is going to be interesting here, Megan,

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Speaker 3: that's your area of specialty.

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Speaker 3: We've seen a good chunk of the Republican conference make

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Speaker 6: So they have been going to the courthouse. Speaker Johnson

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Speaker 6: has as have several potential vice presidential candidates, including JD.

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Speaker 6: Vance who's called for criminal investigation into Judge Marshan because

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Speaker 6: so yes, and I believe that we're just going to

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Speaker 6: little harry for Republicans are in those close districts, those

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And of course we're waiting to see how Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump himself responds. We are expecting we will hear from

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Speaker 2: him this evening. But Mario Cours, the judge, is now

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Speaker 2: in the courtroom thanking the jury for what he calls

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Speaker 2: their hard work, the jury having just confirmed that, indeed

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Speaker 2: they have found Donald Trump guilty on all of these

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Speaker 2: message has been consistent. He thinks that this is President

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Speaker 2: Biden who has mobilized this weaponized justice system against him,

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Speaker 2: that this is election interference. That message has been resonating.

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Speaker 2: Can he not just have more fortification of that message

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Speaker 2: now they convicted him? Does that actually give him political power?

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Speaker 5: And yes to that point, that's exactly what you're going

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Speaker 5: I'm looking at my phone right now because I'm expecting

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Speaker 5: We know that Donald Trump hasn't seen a negative a

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Speaker 3: If you're just joining us, this is special coverage on

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Speaker 3: Bloomberg TV and Radio with thirty four guilty counts. Guilty

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Speaker 3: on all counts for Donald Trump and the criminal hush

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Speaker 3: money trial in New York. If you're with us on

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Speaker 3: Bloomberg TV, you see live view outside the courthouse where

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Speaker 3: security is tight. Bloomberg's David Goura telling us that helicopters

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Speaker 3: with thanks to Megan Scully and Mario Parker. David Goura

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Speaker 3: in Lower Manhattan. I suspect, David, things have become rather

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Speaker 3: we hear next from Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: I think that we do, and I will say, as

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Speaker 1: I heard you're reading those verdicts. I was surprised by

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Speaker 2: We understand that happening in the courtroom now included the

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Speaker 2: David the idea that this isn't necessarily done and dusted. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Trump is now a convicted felon, has been found guilty

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Speaker 1: I think that's all but certain. And you hear Todd

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Speaker 1: Jan Mrschon will sentence the former president. And having spoken

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Speaker 1: we'll see how the president operates in that vacuum. As

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Speaker 4: Deanna.

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Speaker 3: How long is it going to be before Americans hear

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Speaker 4: I agree with what David was just saying. I would

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Speaker 4: But given the historic nature of the case and who

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Speaker 2: Well as if they could hear us. Judge Marshon has

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Speaker 2: were just talking about what David Gurrow will likely extend

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I imagine when Donald Trump and his attorneys

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Speaker 3: We've got a statement from the Speaker of the House, Kayley,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Speaker Mike Johnson just releasing the following statement. He says,

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Speaker 2: quote today is this shameful day in American history? Democrats

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Speaker 2: The House speaker goes on to say, the weaponization of

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Speaker 2: Echoing what we have heard from the former president here.

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Speaker 3: Again in a couple of moments, Deana, can you speak

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Speaker 7: Agreed trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupted. It's

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Speaker 7: November fifth by the people. And they know what here,

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Speaker 7: and everybody knows what happened here. You have a sore

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Speaker 7: I'm fighting for our country. I'm fighting for our constitution.

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Speaker 7: Our whole country is being rigged right now. This was

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Speaker 7: We don't have the same country anymore. We have a

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Speaker 7: But this was a rigged decision right from day one,

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Speaker 2: Fright or felony counts of falsifying. That was former President

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Speaker 2: They're maintaining he is innocent, essentially vowing that he will

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Speaker 2: now to Bloomberg's Meghan Scully and Mario Parker for more analysis. So, Meghan,

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Speaker 2: it was interesting to hear Donald Trump say those words

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, we just got a statement in from the Judiciary chairman.

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Speaker 3: So we just heard from the former president. If you're

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Speaker 3: He spoke very briefly, suggested once again that the trial

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Speaker 3: When the verdict was announced, he stared straight ahead, Mario

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Speaker 3: Parker is back with us as well, Mario, your take

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Speaker 3: on this idea of the trial being rigged, The election

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a trend there, right, so that you point

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Speaker 5: Megan's point, what you're saying is that the party has

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Speaker 2: Well, it's worth pointing out as well, it's not just

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Speaker 2: How should we consider the money here and whether or

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Speaker 3: That the congressional reaction I suspect could be pretty loud

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Speaker 2: It also raises the question what Congressional Democrats may do,

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Speaker 6: This has never happened in the history of our nation

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