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Speaker 2: We're so sorry, Uncle Louder.

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Speaker 3: So we look at Albertbert. Yeah, I actually had an Unclouder.

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Speaker 4: We're so sorry, Uncle loud. Unclouds worked with my dad

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Speaker 3: Cloud I think was there was something a little higher.

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Speaker 4: We certainly had more money, but it was you know,

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Speaker 4: our family gatherings were always very great, very friendly, very

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Speaker 5: A lot of the.

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Speaker 4: Uncles were were referred to as piss artists and the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so sorry, Ocao, that.

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Speaker 4: Was standing on the table and recite the Bible shit,

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Speaker 3: Keep everyone straight in the way of the light.

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Speaker 1: And Paul will do. And I've been fortunate to spend

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Speaker 1: time with one of the greatest songwriters of our era.

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Speaker 3: And will you look at me?

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Speaker 5: I'm going up to I'm actually a performer.

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Speaker 1: That is sir Paul McCartney. We work together on a

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Speaker 1: book looking at the lyrics of more than one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty of his songs, and we recorded many hours

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Speaker 5: Actual, I'm a songwriter. My god, well that that crept

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Speaker 1: This is McCartney, a life in lyrics, a masterclass, a memoir,

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Speaker 1: and an improvised journey with one of the most iconic

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Speaker 1: figures in popular music in this episode, Uncle Albert, Admiral Halsey.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty three, their manager Brian Epstein, relocated the Beatles'

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Speaker 1: when Paul McCartney wrote, Uncle Albert, his old life in

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Speaker 1: Liverpool seemed far away.

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Speaker 4: I'd moved away from Liverpool quite firmly by this point,

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Speaker 5: New Year's Eve party.

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Speaker 4: After I moved to them, I would sometimes throw a

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Speaker 6: So there were a lot of jokes, a lot of songs,

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Speaker 6: became less and less as time went on. They became

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Speaker 4: So yeah, there was a nostalgic feeling for you know that,

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Speaker 4: and also this feeling of I've moved myself so far

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Speaker 1: As Paul McCartney left his family behind in Liverpool, he

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Speaker 7: This is a part of Liverpool, a city of nearly

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Speaker 1: Even though they were surrounded by these bombed out areas,

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Speaker 1: It was a striving working class home. But the effects

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Speaker 5: Of that, it was just like as if it had

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Speaker 4: It was like I was in a film. You'd just

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Speaker 7: Now the City Council are rebuilding fast. One of the

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Speaker 1: On top of the physical distance McCartney had put between

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Speaker 5: We're so sorry, un.

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Speaker 4: We're not really saying I'm sorry, but I'm saying you

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Speaker 3: I'm like in the Beatles, I'm like living in a

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Speaker 5: But isn't that also saying I want to be with you.

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Speaker 5: But I believe on a round.

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Speaker 3: It's just that a distance.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I'm not only by that, but you don't

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Speaker 3: I don't didn't all you didn't well I didn't.

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Speaker 5: That's like saying you don't want anyone to die.

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Speaker 1: The people's wild popularity meant that Paul was living an

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Speaker 4: I mean, you go back into the sort of bosom

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Speaker 5: You just do sort of all the old things.

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Speaker 4: And so I was just sort of sitting around playing

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Speaker 4: One of the reasons she'd come down was to talk

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Speaker 3: And who would have sent her on.

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Speaker 4: The family family? Who knows which one or how many?

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Speaker 4: that just got back that our pole's going a bit

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Speaker 1: In the song, McCartney sings the first verse in a

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Speaker 2: We're so sorry when we have name day, We're so sorry.

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Speaker 3: Oh cool.

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Speaker 4: Me so so, I'm saying I used to hear from

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Speaker 1: Neither speaker of the song seems to talk down to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just imagine him now as a character.

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Speaker 5: There is uncle.

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Speaker 4: But we're so sorry, but we haven't done a bloody

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Speaker 4: I'm now some sort of very arrogant POSHTI.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm so sorry, La, I'm doing a bloody thing

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Speaker 3: all day. You know, we've got another life here and

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Speaker 3: I'm afraid you know, I'm dismissing you.

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Speaker 5: So the act, the shift and accent is enough. I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: By the time Paul McCartney wrote the song Uncle Albert

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy, even the shine of London had worn off,

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Speaker 1: the stodgy business meetings, the decline of the Beatles, fame

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Speaker 1: McCartney would have to create a new life.

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Speaker 3: So then it goes into hands across the water, across

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Speaker 3: the This is more now bringing you, This is more

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Speaker 3: Me and Linda, hands.

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Speaker 4: Across the water, you know, American and British, Okay, heads

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Speaker 1: I like that in which a lot of hands across

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Speaker 5: Yeah sort of thing, couldn't.

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Speaker 1: As the song shifts into a kind of carellesque nursery rhyme,

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Speaker 4: We have not done our playing. We have branded them.

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Speaker 4: We have drowned them, and I just planning to brand

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Speaker 5: It does Halsey in any particular?

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Speaker 3: Is that a historical I don't know where I got

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Speaker 5: I wasn't just read it or heard it somewhere. And

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Speaker 4: I'm in this arrogant upper class person who's got into

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Speaker 4: Basically, it's a little plays elect But I suppose if

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Speaker 3: Before he couldn't get the thing.

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Speaker 3: The border wouldn't also put it in the pie.

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Speaker 5: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Amid the bleak negotiations surrounding the Beatles and the impossibility

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Speaker 3: But is this little pats you get around? This is

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Speaker 5: What did you do? Want to the rigid systems we

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Speaker 4: and I always I wanted to buy my own Christmas tree.

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Speaker 4: all sorts of things like that. I would involved with

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Speaker 4: like the animal activists getting on Christmas tree.

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Speaker 5: Then there would be cooking and stuff.

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Speaker 4: We got vegetarian and now she's going to figure out

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Speaker 4: how we do turkey. So we do a macaroni turkey.

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Speaker 4: It's like mac and cheese, but it goes solid and

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Speaker 4: then we'd slice it and we'd have that. I saw

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Speaker 1: Paul and Linda managed to cut free and establish not

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Speaker 1: only a new family, but a creative partnership. The song

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Speaker 3: It was a good up front of me, and I

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Speaker 3: thought everyone's families were like that.

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Speaker 5: John and here about his family life. He was like,

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Speaker 5: oh my god.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I really praised my family for that because it

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Speaker 5: was so rich.

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Speaker 3: It really was rich. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: what I am and a lot of what I write

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Speaker 3: about a lot of what I think is that, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I often say I've met a lot of very

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Speaker 4: amazing influential people in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sacha bark Palm, you know, the one and only

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Speaker 1: Sir Paul McCartney, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Oh some of my Liverpool family I think was was better.

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Speaker 4: We just had something going for them. Besides this niceness

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Speaker 4: and besides this good mamics. Sense of humor was ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: They were always being funny. And my theory is because

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Speaker 4: they just got out of a bloody war. Unlike a

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Speaker 4: lot of their friends. They just escaped being bond.

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Speaker 6: H with THO.

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Speaker 2: Sorry but we had a name.

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Speaker 5: With those, Sorry.

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Speaker 2: Uncle Albert, Admiral Housey from Paul and Linda McCartney's nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy one album Ram.

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Speaker 4: But we have a plenty name Monday.

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Speaker 5: We're so sorry aloud but the candles out the oil

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Speaker 5: and were.

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Speaker 6: Going away.

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Speaker 1: In our next episode.

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Speaker 5: And if I said I really knew you well, what

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Speaker 5: would your answer be?

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Speaker 4: If you readed day.

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Speaker 1: Here Today a love song to John Lennon had a

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Speaker 1: conversation that never took place. McCartney A Life in Lyrics

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