WEBVTT - Top Stories 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:04.960 Hey, the folks. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:09.200 In this episode, Robot and I continue our travels in Italy, 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.959 but we take a break from hanging out with Italians 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.960 because we wanted to talk to three Americans, but not 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:17.799 just any three Americans. 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:19.520 Three in particular. Two of them were there at that 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:23.599 Trump rally where he was shot, and the other was 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:26.840 at the R and C convention on night one for 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.280 a hell of a moment when Trump walked in and 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.280 with that, Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:37.280 Coming to you today from Rome, and it is weird. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:37.519 Rose. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.080 We've been here for a while now, it's gonna be 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.640 a week and a half here pretty soon, and we 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.400 have taken a break to do some work. But it's 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:47.920 not a complaint that we took a break, and we 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.720 shouldn't be celebrated for doing so. We actually wanted to 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.440 be more engaged. What's going on at home? 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.880 Yeah, I think we talked about it in the last podcast. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.000 As journalist, you know when major events happen and you're 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:02.960 not home or you're going to wherever the event took place. 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.000 And so now to be in this situation, yes we're 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.000 on vacation, but we still very much want to be 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:12.199 a part of what's happening back home, what's happening politically, 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.120 what's happening to so many Americans. This is something the 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.880 attempted assassination of President Trump or former President Trump has 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.800 affected everybody in some way, and so we wanted to 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.160 hear from the people who were there when it happened 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.000 and who are following where the politics are taking us 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:28.959 from that moment on. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.920 You know, I we've all had this moment, no matter 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:36.120 who you are, We've all called back home to fail. Right. 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.840 You move away from home and something happened. They tell 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.360 you your aunt's an hospital, well, your grandfather's sick or 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.240 something going on, and you call, you talk to your 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.800 mom and dad, and they always tell you the same thing. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.080 You know, it's no reason to early come home. There's 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.760 nothing you can do right now, but you always feel 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:52.880 that pool and want to be back home. It's an 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.600 odd comparison, but that's what it feels like being here 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.720 in Italy when so much is happening back home. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:00.760 Right, and so much of it is going to affect 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.880 all of our lives, and it's you know, I'm curious, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.680 as I think a lot of people are, as to 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.040 whether or not this tragic event. I mean, a man 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:13.040 lost his life, the shooter, his family is dealing with 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:14.680 the aftermath of that, and then of course you've got 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.520 two people critically injured. Still, so you know, this is 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.320 a serious like and an almost an unprecedented Ronald Reagan 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.040 back in nineteen eighty one. And so the truth of 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.920 the matter is we have been so politically divided as 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.600 a nation and it's just gotten worse and worse and worse. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.800 And so the question is, with what happened at that 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.560 political rally in Pennsylvania, does it make the things get 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.720 even worse? Do people start pointing fingers even more? Do 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.720 we blame one another for this young man's decision? Or 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.440 is this a moment of being actually able to put 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.600 some of the mud slinging away, to find some sort 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.280 of unity or at least having a more civil conversation 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.320 about what each presidential candidate could bring to this country 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:00.160 instead of showing each other you know how horrible the 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:00.520 other is. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.200 I mean, I'm just let's go which way is it 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:02.560 going to go? 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.200 I think initially people will fill that sense of you know, 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.960 we are on America. Let's let's tone down the rhetoric. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.520 Let's let's change how we're talking about one another, how 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:15.079 we're describing political parties us versus them. But then eventually 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.919 I fear that it will turn and it might even 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:18.480 get out later. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.200 See, I can't, can't. I'm not gonna be able to 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.320 remember the journalist's name. It wasn't an on air of 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.919 someone who was prominent, but I believe was just fired 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:32.560 or at least suspended reprimanded for a social media post 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.800 in which I guess they thought they were being funny, 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.400 but was almost complaining that the guy was a bad shot. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.240 Oh my god, that kind of stuff. That's awful, that 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.080 kind of stuff. And again, this is only the one 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.240 that I saw, but I bet there's a lot of 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:46.800 that kind of stuff out there. A lot is going 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.240 to weigh on what Trump does on at Thornz convention. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.520 What is that speech going to sound like and look like? 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.640 But what do you compare? What was it? I remember 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.200 nine to eleven. There's something since nine eleven, but we 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.000 came together at nine eleven. Absolute like nobody's business as 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.840 a country didn't last that long. I remember the politicians 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.320 coming out on the steps of the Capitol and they 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:10.320 all I think they're saying that godless murders did something right, 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.760 and that was like, Wow, what unity did it in 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:13.520 the last three months? 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.679 I didn't last very long at all. Yeah, at that point, wasn't. 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.800 President Bush had the highest OBAL rating out of any 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.000 recent president because of that sense of unity and that 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.880 we had to band together as a country. But this 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.839 is really disturbing on so many levels. Think about all 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.159 the school shootings that we've covered. You know, it was 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.880 again fingerpointing between you know, should ar fifteens be allowed 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:40.159 in just baldy u WALDI, I mean, my god. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.320 Baby's kill and we still didn't necessarily come together as 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:43.600 a country to do anything about. 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.400 No. I remember interviewing the mayor of Uvaldi and he 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.320 was blaming everything but the guns and got really upset 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.680 with me when I pushed back a little bit, and 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.760 it just it felt even more divisive. So sadly, a 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.480 lot of this violence that we've seen has not done that. 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.000 Maybe the in me is hopeful that maybe this time 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.200 it could be different, because this is such a serious. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:08.160 We we're talking millimeters away. We can ending president former 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:09.719 President Trump's life. Klimeters. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.159 We can't be taking a shot, said no, leaders, we 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.840 just that just can't be done. And you said something, 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:19.839 I hadn't thought about that young man's family. Right, he's dead. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.839 They've lost someone. That's tragic enough, but now all the 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.800 scrutiny and the I mean, when could those folks ever 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:27.560 get their lives back. I have no idea who these 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.839 people are, what they're about, where they're from, who how 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:31.960 good of folks they are. But I'm at this point 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.000 at least being as a human being and thinking about 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.560 that is a young man. I have no idea what's 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.320 going on his life, but his family now is dealing 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.000 with something I can't imagine. Maybe some people think that's 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.520 not what we should be talking about today, but I 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.760 think that's a part of all of our conversations, is 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:51.920 that we have got to consider everybody in it. And 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:53.800 don't get me wrong, he's not the forefront of people's 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.479 mind and sympathy. But at the same time, there are 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.080 just so many people impacted in such a significant way, 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.640 in a personal way, and I can't imagine what this 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.919 family is dealing with, his community, his high school, his friends. 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.080 Everybody is confused and hurt and saddened, and a lot 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:10.800 of people want to take a lot of anger out 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.400 on the people that were close to him, with him 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.600 and his family. So we'll see how that happens, which is. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.800 The exact opposite of what I think so many people 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:24.320 would hope could happen, where there's empathy, sympathy, and curiosity 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.920 in the sense of how we always have this conversation, 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.720 how could we have prevented it? Were there signs? All 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.640 of those things. Those are good conversations to have, But 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.159 it's still frustrating, nonetheless, and it's still a very frightening 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.760 time we're in right now from a political standpoint, which 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.200 affects every single person in this country. To think that 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:46.800 we have been prosecuting politicians and politicians family members and 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.359 now it's just elevated from the court system to now 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.040 gun vis it's just awful. 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.039 But with that, and I know a lot of folks 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:58.560 listen to us, I've seen probably everybody listening to us 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.720 has seen more bridge then we have because we are 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.240 here it is where we haven't been able to get 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.960 American television for the most part, and just was able 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.640 to watch a little bit on that the morning after. 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:12.840 But there are I know a lot of folks that 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:17.520 heard reports and eyewitness accounts and so we're going to 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.160 let you hear from We're going to let you hear conversations. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.280 We had with two folks who were at the rally. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.200 One of them, I believe you said, he was only 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.600 eight or ten rows back, so he just fairly folks. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.880 But the other is a political report, a long time 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.560 political reporter, who was at the R and C convention. Now, 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.360 how many do you even know how many conventions? 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:41.720 You No, there have been several, and they're all usually, 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.120 you know, they're filled with pomp and circumstance. They have 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.920 the four day rundown, you have obviously we hear who 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.240 the vice presidential nominee or the candidate is going to 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.080 be on the non incumbent side, So there's just protocol, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.040 and it's just kind of you know, you're rallying the base, 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.560 you're rallying the Republics and the Democrats, and it's it's 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.320 kind of, you know what you expect. It's not usually 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.440 a lot of surprises, but this time it was very, very, 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:09.160 very different. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.960 And only because again, folks, that one of the people 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:13.840 you're gonna hear us talk about it was a reporter 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.520 and he was at the RNC convention, and I asked 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:22.760 you what about yours, Because every convention I find to 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:27.280 be released, they're just they're planned down to the letter, 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.640 the just the pageantry and to see kind of democracy 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.200 or our system on display like that, But you agree 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.720 with it not It's just it's an event. It's a 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.600 big party, and I've always enjoyed going to the convention 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.240 on both sides. I'm very curious and i want everybody 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:45.600 to hear from the guy we're going to talk to 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.680 about what it was like when Trump walked in that room. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.560 That's that's a moment like we have never ever seen before, 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.120 and I'm wondering if he thought it was different as well. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.400 So folks, with that again, we want you to hear. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.600 We are coming to you now from it from Rome 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.679 in particular today. But we have three people we want 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.840 to talk to. One is Nico Mitchell. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.959 He was the bystander who this was his first political rally, 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.200 by the way, that he had ever attended, and so 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.760 you know, he had no point of reference and didn't 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.400 really even know what to expect. So we're going to 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.959 hear how he handled witnessing, what he saw, and what 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.240 he's feeling like now. And we're also going to talk 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.760 to Robert Truman, you mentioned he is a political reporter, 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.520 a national correspondent for News Nation. And then finally one 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.280 of my actually a former colleague of mine, Mike Kera. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.839 So folks, take a listen now to our conversation with Nico, Mike, 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.440 and Robert, three people who had front row seats to 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:41.080 some of the most historical political drama this country has 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:52.439 ever seen. And we do have Nico Mitchell here with 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.920 us now, who was at that rally. Nico, I know 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.680 we're several days removed from that rally where Trump was shot. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.640 You talked about how the next day you were still 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.320 shaken by it. Now a few days removed, when I 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.199 know you had to be thinking about all the what ifs. 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.640 If what if I would have been here, I had 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.480 have sat there, what if? Just first of all, can 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:17.000 you tell me how are you after experiencing such a 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:17.720 traumatic event. 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:20.840 I'm doing well. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:21.880 I'm in good spirits. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:26.280 I would say, it's just a lot to process after 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:31.199 what happened that day and after that rally. In fact, 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.400 I hate to say this, but I went to Pittsburgh, 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:38.200 PA for dinner and I was assaulted by two men 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:43.240 after that rally. So this is a very volatile situation 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.920 that day. For me, I was just shaken by what 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.760 happened to Donald Trump. Seeing that and witnessing that in 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.720 real time is something that you can't forget. It's in 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:57.200 history now and having that happen to me as well, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.800 it was surely a big day for me too. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.520 Wow, Nikola, are you okay? Like I feel free to 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.280 share whatever happened? And it was obviously I'm hoping it 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.520 was unrelated. Can you just give us a sense of 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:10.200 what happened? 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:11.720 Well? 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.200 I went to a restaurant where I had a group 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.200 of people who were agitated at the fact that I 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:21.920 had a Trump had on and realiation. I will tell 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.199 you I did say the words make America great again. 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.640 And that's when all broke loose. It wasn't even the 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.440 group that I was engaging with that assaulted me. It 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.720 was the kitchen workers at the restaurant. So this is 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.520 a big thing. I have to call the police department 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.320 back tomorrow to see how I'm able to proceed forward. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.080 I was expecting one thing, and we were talking here 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.920 right before we came on about which direction things are 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.559 going to go, Like we're opening this, people will calm down. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.960 We all come together. And you're telling me you left 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:59.800 a rally where a presidential candidate was shot and you 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.000 were assaulted because of your support for that candidate. Do 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:03.560 I have that right? 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:09.200 Yes, that's correct, and I don't care where you fall 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.920 in politics. We need to show love first in the 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:17.679 society because everything is too volatile. We've gotten to the 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.880 point where hatred is spewing out of people's spirits. They're 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.720 calling for the death of Trump, They're calling for the 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.440 death of whoever it may be. We need to step 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:32.040 back and show humanity again. Where is the humane being 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.760 inside of each other? We have to be able to 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.040 show that first, so that way we're able to unite again. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.920 Because after all, if we're talking about these issues, we 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.200 can come into agreement with a lot. But what happens 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:49.959 is media and other factors fall into play where there's 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.520 there's divisional you know, all this division and this hatred 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.720 being spewed. So we just need to come together. So 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.880 I really can say about it, it's just it's just 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:00.440 sad right now, Are. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:05.160 O Nica That that is absolutely heartbreaking? TJ just mentioned. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:09.280 I was actually like positive Polly, hopeful that this would 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.560 be a wake up call to the vitriol, to the 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.200 just the mean spiritedness of people. We can disagree, we 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.280 can prefer each other's candidates, but it doesn't mean it 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:24.000 has to resort to the extremes. Can you give me 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.560 a sense of what what happened in the in the 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.880 assault afterwards? Did was it throwing punches? Was it? Give 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.160 me a sense of just what that attack was like? 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.560 It was it was me and a woman. I was 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.920 verbal to her, she was verbal to me, so it 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.400 was a verbal argument, and then it escalated to two 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.640 men going outside waiting for me. I had no idea 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.200 that they had weapons on them, so that was something 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.240 that was a big deal to me. At that point, 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.440 I wanted the police to be called, and the restaurant 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.960 decided for two men who were kitchen workers to come out. 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.600 They both grabbed me. They slammed me on the table, 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.760 and then they took me outside and then they rammed 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:13.240 me into the pavement. And I still have wounds on 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.800 my hands, i have bruising on my body, bruising up 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.600 on my upper arms, and I'm going to go to 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.960 the doctor's office very soon so I can have all 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.360 of that it documented. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:28.000 Because this is a big deal a big deal. Why 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.080 did you and we were talking to you went from 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.400 New York to the rally in Pennsylvania where Trump was shot. 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.680 But why did you want to make a six plus out? 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.600 Why was it important to you to make that six 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.000 plus hour journey to be at that round? 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:47.480 To be quite honest with you, I'm a Christian first, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.240 and I believe in Jesus. I believe in God, and 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.520 I had this conviction that came over me to support him. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.680 I know he's a very volad old candidate. He's someone 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:04.360 who was there he talked about positively and negatively, but 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.440 I felt the need to in this election cycle that 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.360 we're living in a point of history that is unprecedented. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.360 We've never seen politics the way it is today. So 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.560 that was my own personal conviction to go out there. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.680 But I've been to a Trump rally before, but I 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:27.240 was there for journalistic reasons. So I've covered a Trump rally. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.760 I've covered Bernie Sanders rally, so it's not just a 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:35.480 right wing thing. I've also covered the Democrat side. So 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.160 I just felt the need in this election cycle to 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:42.080 do it, and I went out there in support and 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.200 low and behold, I'm witnessing history unfold right before my 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.520 very eyes. I'll tell you I was scared at that 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.840 moment when Trump dropped down where the podium was, I 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.960 thought he was dead in that moment. And the other 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.800 concern that I had was we've had so many actives 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.160 shits that happened in the United States. There was a 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.360 possibility that the active shooter could have turned around and 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.040 started opening fire on the crowd. 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.280 Yeah, oh, I mean, I can't even did you know 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.560 immediately that it was gun fire? I know a lot 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.160 of folks said they thought it was fireworks and it 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.720 was chaotic, and it's just not something you're expecting to 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.840 hear or see. How quickly did you know this is scary, 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.320 this is bad? And then how did you react? 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.600 A lot of people online because when I posted that 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:31.240 video initially said to themselves or why didn't he run? 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.880 Or why didn't he do this or that? When you 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.080 are in a literal situation such as that, you don't 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.840 know how your body is going to respond, and you're 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.440 not expecting it, like you were saying. So when I 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.200 was just standing there, initially I thought it was fireworks. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.760 I was confused at that point because I saw a 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.680 build a wing of smoke, and then there was a 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.960 water hose on the other side that burst it open 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.480 and water is spewing everywhere. So I'm saying to myself, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.879 what is going on? Until I saw Trump drop down, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.320 and I said to myself, I'm witnessing the death of 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:13.320 Trump right before my eyes. But thank God that the 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.680 Secret Service rushed over to shield him and he. 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:17.720 Was able to get back up. 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.399 And my heart goes out to the victim who was 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.400 tragically taken in this situation. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.000 Nigo, can you help me with the emotions that you 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.199 must have gone through. I can't imagine how many and 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.520 maybe a thirty second period for hearing the snap snap, 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:37.199 steps and steps now where that's confusion. Maybe initially you 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.680 see him go down, that's absolute terror and fear that 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.320 President Trump has just been shot and killed. Then you 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.080 have to think, wow, is somebody still shooting in the crowd? 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:46.480 Wow? 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.119 Should I take off running? Can you take me through? 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.720 I guess there were several steps and emotions that had 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:54.920 to have you going all over the place. So can 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.520 you take me through how those emotions were coming. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.080 They weren't from excitement from being at the rally, to 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:09.040 confusion to dreadful fear, and the only thing that you're 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.960 able to do is duck down and pray, because if 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.439 you've ever been to a concert or any large venue 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.720 for that matter, you're unable to go anywhere. The only 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.200 thing that you're able to do is is sit there 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.040 and hope for the best, because if you try running anywhere, 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.560 the crowd is blocking you. So I said to myself, 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.640 Dear Lord, I'm praying that I'm able to get out 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.000 of this situation alive. I've seen the situations that have 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.000 happened in the United States before, such as Las Vegas 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:43.080 where those four people were taken just doing casual things 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:48.440 as any other American would do. So these situations are 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.720 heart wrenching. And I've been in a situation before where 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.360 I was at a mall, I was entering the all 0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:00.560 people started rushing outwards past me in the alarms going off, 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.280 and that was an active shooting situation before that was 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:08.560 in North Carolina. So but to be there and to 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.919 hear the shots ring out, it's it was certainly something 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:12.560 to remember. 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:18.040 WOWK, that's just it's it's gutting to have experienced that. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:22.480 And what was it like once they got the Secret 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.639 Service members got Trump off as they were taking off 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.080 the stage. I know he was yelling fight, fight, fight. 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.040 Can you give us a sense of what that was 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.000 like being in the crowd knowing what you've just seen, 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.080 but not having had time to process it, Like, what 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.879 did everyone do as he was being ushered off? And 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.800 after he left, the. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:42.240 People were very supportive. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.800 Uh, it was almost it was a rally cry for 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.480 being able to fight the good fight. Still, there's a 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.440 lot that has happened to this man and he continues 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.240 on with his political motivation to become the president once again. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.360 So his supporter are there for him. I see that, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:08.080 I feel that, and I've never been always a supporter 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.320 of his, but I definitely can see it through the crowd, 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:16.520 and it surely is something that if you're there, it 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.600 does feel I will say, it does feel like family 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:24.320 being there. People are very nice, they're cordial. So it 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:28.439 was a rally cry. And now, from my understanding with Trump, 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.960 he actually has a hole in his ear because he 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.160 still has the patch over him and he's still going 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:39.960 through everything. Now he's in Milwaukee doing the convention, so 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.320 this is this is a pivotal moment for him, and 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:45.280 praying for his safety. 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:45.960 Going forward as well. 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.520 Nikot, I don't know if you can if you had 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.200 gotten past all the fear and confusion enough to then 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.560 take in the emotion of the crowd. But that moment 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.560 when you all saw him get up, you saw him 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:00.800 put his fists in the air, you heard heard him screaming. 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:05.639 Describe then, I guess what came out of the crowd, 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.840