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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Monday, October fourteenth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, episode
Speaker 1: number sixteenth three. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We are live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at
Speaker 1: the Star. We've got so much to talk about today.
Speaker 1: The sky is officially falling in Dallas and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: get a loss to the to the New York Jets
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty two. Sorry, I was kind of moving around,
Speaker 1: and I'd hate when when people don't start things off right,
Speaker 1: you know, you get off to a bad start. He
Speaker 1: kind of just messes up the whole show. Is that
Speaker 1: like a microcosm of what we saw last night or yesterday?
Speaker 1: UNI all season? Yeah, pretty much all season. So it's
Speaker 1: been a lot. It's been a lot to deal with
Speaker 1: kind of watching this team and trying to make heads
Speaker 1: or tails of what all is going on. So I
Speaker 1: figured the best way to attack this thing today was
Speaker 1: we're just gonna go down through some of the different
Speaker 1: things that were problems for the Cowboys yesterday, and I
Speaker 1: want you guys to talk about how that relates overall
Speaker 1: to to kind of your opinion of how much it
Speaker 1: affected the game, and really all these systematic things are
Speaker 1: they just kind of things that you're seeing in spurts
Speaker 1: at different times throughout the season. I really appreciate you
Speaker 1: taking this approach because I have so much on my
Speaker 1: mind that I'm worried that I'm gonna forget something too.
Speaker 1: So he didn't even ask if we're doing Okay, we're
Speaker 1: not known, Okay, tires, no bummed out, But we got
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about it, and we got to
Speaker 1: help these guys get through this. So let's start first
Speaker 1: with Nick. You mentioned it, the slow starts. Look at
Speaker 1: the first half of the offense Cowboys punt field goal, punt,
Speaker 1: turnover and downs, punt field goal again, just not nothing,
Speaker 1: I mean to getting nothing out of the offense and
Speaker 1: the first half, and then the second half field goal,
Speaker 1: missfield goal, touchdown, touchdown. It's just it's they're getting off
Speaker 1: the slow starts. It seems to be something that's continuing
Speaker 1: to happen. The question to half for you guys is
Speaker 1: do you think this is about preparation or is it
Speaker 1: about execution? That was the big question in the locker
Speaker 1: room last night. Where do you guys fall on that? Um?
Speaker 1: I think the fact that it's been six games in
Speaker 1: a row. I mean, I would imagine in preparation, and
Speaker 1: I say six because those first three wins they were
Speaker 1: they still had slow starts. They didn't, you know, just
Speaker 1: jump out of the gate. So I would say preparation.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's both, but but I mean the fact
Speaker 1: that it's it's their job to kind of come out
Speaker 1: and figure out a way to get this thing rolling.
Speaker 1: It didn't help that your best wide receiver is out
Speaker 1: in the first drive of the game. I mean, And
Speaker 1: but it was their fault for only saying we got
Speaker 1: four guys. That's their fault. Not saying Devin Smith would
Speaker 1: have made a big difference. But you know, they were
Speaker 1: he was already banged up, and then to have him
Speaker 1: go out like that, that's on them and all that
Speaker 1: though we're gonna get to that that's gonna be actually
Speaker 1: be our second problem We're gonna talk about as the injuries.
Speaker 1: But Dave, I've been I go back and forth in
Speaker 1: this all years, like you know, how much how much
Speaker 1: is the is the preparation? Like is it on the
Speaker 1: is the head coach and the coaching staff to not
Speaker 1: have a team ready to play? Is it on the
Speaker 1: players to execute? I mean, you can talk about drop passes,
Speaker 1: you can talk about bad protections, you can talk about
Speaker 1: miss tackles, blown assignments, Like again, how much is coach
Speaker 1: fors how much his player? But I will say, you know,
Speaker 1: I come on here time and time again and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, say what you will about Jason Garrett, but
Speaker 1: the one thing is like he always has his team
Speaker 1: ready to play, Like they they give him a full
Speaker 1: sixty minutes, they're blah blah blah blah blah. Like I
Speaker 1: feel stupid for thinking that right now, because I mean,
Speaker 1: how can you feel that that was the case against
Speaker 1: this team? They looked flat and bad in the first half.
Speaker 1: They sort of got it together, but even like, they
Speaker 1: didn't look in spiring down the stretch of that game either,
Speaker 1: so they didn't seem prepared to play. They also didn't
Speaker 1: execute to nixt points. Probably a little bit of both,
Speaker 1: but it all was bad and all deserves to be
Speaker 1: criticized right now, Yam, I agree. I think it is
Speaker 1: a combination of both things. What it's crazy to me
Speaker 1: and I still can't understand. And I understand that every
Speaker 1: year you do have a new team and you can't
Speaker 1: necessarily compare it to the previous one. But the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were able to keep the whole team basically from last
Speaker 1: year and improved on it as far as talent. So
Speaker 1: what blows my mind is when you see even the defense,
Speaker 1: when you talk about the defense what they were able
Speaker 1: to do last year, and then you look at how
Speaker 1: they're performing this year, it makes absolutely no sense in
Speaker 1: my mind as to why there's been such a big
Speaker 1: difference there in dropping down rather than going up. And
Speaker 1: as far as the offense goes same thing. They do
Speaker 1: have talent. We've seen them having talent. We talked about
Speaker 1: this team during training camp and me and myself and
Speaker 1: a lot of us were really excited about what this
Speaker 1: offense could look like and they're not necessarily performing that way.
Speaker 1: So it goes to both the coaches know what they
Speaker 1: have in their players and it is up to them
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out exactly how to place them
Speaker 1: in the best position as possible. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about that defense a little bit later as well, but
Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys specifically to the offense,
Speaker 1: and Nick, you and I mentioned we talked a little
Speaker 1: bit about this in the press box last night. Do
Speaker 1: you think that maybe the inexperience of the play caller
Speaker 1: offensively could be a part of the issue that we're
Speaker 1: having here. You know, you start off the first three
Speaker 1: games of the season, offenses were clicking. Yeah, maybe they
Speaker 1: got a little bit of a slow start, but they
Speaker 1: were clicking. They were scoring a ton of points, and
Speaker 1: it at least feels like by the time you get
Speaker 1: to the New Orleans game, either you run into a
Speaker 1: defense that's that much appreciably better, which I don't think
Speaker 1: if you look at all three of these defenses they've
Speaker 1: lost to that they're that much better than defenses around
Speaker 1: the league, or the argument can be made that those
Speaker 1: other teams have now adjusted to what they saw in
Speaker 1: the first three games from the play caller and that's
Speaker 1: affecting now the offense's ability to get going. Do you
Speaker 1: fault Do you think that there may be some credence
Speaker 1: to that as far as how the offense is performing.
Speaker 1: This honestly felt like the New Orleans game all over again,
Speaker 1: with the exception that they actually got some success in
Speaker 1: the running game. You know, Zeke had one hundred yards,
Speaker 1: so it didn't look as ugly. But it was just unimaginative, boring, vanilla,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: And maybe Marii Cooper being out and Randall Copp for
Speaker 1: that matter, maybe that's part of it. But I kind
Speaker 1: of doubt it because they did it against the Saints too,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's a better defense. But I just I'm
Speaker 1: not in the mood to make excuses for it. I
Speaker 1: got home last night and I was thinking about this,
Speaker 1: and I took the time to go through the play
Speaker 1: seat and figure it out. So this is and and
Speaker 1: I can just I can picture it with crystal clarity.
Speaker 1: They had thirty four first down opportunities in this game.
Speaker 1: They ran on seventeen of them. And you say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: half and half. That's that's balanced, right. Taking out the
Speaker 1: end of game scenarios where you have to pass, you
Speaker 1: cannot do everything you want, just the main the rest
Speaker 1: of the game where the whole offense is at your disposal.
Speaker 1: First and ten they ran it up the gut seventeen
Speaker 1: out of twenty four opportunities. That is a seventy one
Speaker 1: percent click up the gut. Just runs to zeke up
Speaker 1: the gut, maybe a couple of stretches, you know, stretch
Speaker 1: plays out to the side, but just here goes zeke
Speaker 1: first and ten seventeen out of twenty four times. And
Speaker 1: that is so unacceptably boring and unimaginative and not going
Speaker 1: to work. Oh and also, just in case I need
Speaker 1: to further emphasize it, those seventeen carries went for fifty yards,
Speaker 1: which is two point nine per a tempt. They had
Speaker 1: one explosive that's a twelve plus yard run, five that
Speaker 1: you would call good, which is four or more eleven
Speaker 1: eleven of the seventeen got less than four yards, and
Speaker 1: a few got negative. Like so, I mean, it sucked,
Speaker 1: It wasn't good, and they just kept doing it. And
Speaker 1: you can say what you want about establishing the run.
Speaker 1: I thought they killed the second half. They killed the
Speaker 1: clock in the second half of a game that they
Speaker 1: were trailing by fifteen or eighteen points at one point
Speaker 1: in time. Did not get a single bit of a
Speaker 1: sense of urgency. I know, their offensive tackles were out,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe you don't want to expose Dac
Speaker 1: to getting hit more than he already was. But the
Speaker 1: Jets have a pretty crappy offensive line and they managed
Speaker 1: to do just fine getting the ball out quickly, running
Speaker 1: screens to receivers and stuff like that. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm rambling, but I thought the play calling was pretty
Speaker 1: atrocious yesterday. And whether that's Kellen Moore or Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: or a mixture of both, I don't know, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough. You talked about them running and not
Speaker 1: finding success. Sorry, what do you I mean? You know,
Speaker 1: people started talking about like Jason Garrett kind of dipping
Speaker 1: himself in there with Kellen Moore and the play calling.
Speaker 1: A couple of games, they go, who do you think
Speaker 1: is actually calling full on the play calling? Honestly, I
Speaker 1: have no doubt that Kellen Moore's calling the plays. Here's where,
Speaker 1: Here's where you don't really know, right. I remember this
Speaker 1: back from when Parcels was here. Um, if you have it,
Speaker 1: the kind of head coach that somebody's calling the plays,
Speaker 1: but he's saying all right here we go, it's first
Speaker 1: and ten. I want to see a run here. Okay, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy might be calling the plays, but he's calling
Speaker 1: the plays based upon what the head coach is kind
Speaker 1: of directing him to do. What I don't know is
Speaker 1: how much direction is Jason giving in game to Kellen
Speaker 1: to call the play. We know Kellen calls the plays,
Speaker 1: you can see him down on the sideline calling the play.
Speaker 1: Still know how much direction and how much direction is
Speaker 1: Jason giving him before the game? I want to see
Speaker 1: us half balanced. So I want to come out of
Speaker 1: the game and feel like we got fifty percent run,
Speaker 1: fifty percent pass. Who knows. I don't know that any
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know if you either.
Speaker 1: You guys have heard that. But at this point, I
Speaker 1: think the only thing we left with is we know
Speaker 1: Kellen calls to play. Is we just don't know how
Speaker 1: much influence Jason has over that. Sean Payton actually had
Speaker 1: a really interesting quote that made the rounds after the
Speaker 1: Saints game. He said it before the Saints game, talking
Speaker 1: about Kellen Moore and just about how it can be
Speaker 1: hard as a young play caller to establish your own voice.
Speaker 1: Yea and I mean overrule the coach and you like, no,
Speaker 1: this is what we should do, and that makes sense,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's part of what happening. What's happening, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's an impossible thing to know, like what's going
Speaker 1: on in those headsets, and even you know, you can
Speaker 1: have conversations with people, but it's even as bad as
Speaker 1: that was, it's far too early in the season for
Speaker 1: you to be getting to that throwing people under the
Speaker 1: bus stage. So there's no way to definitively know. And
Speaker 1: that's why, like you know, I just assign it to
Speaker 1: everyone and say figure it out, whether it's callin Garrett, whoever.
Speaker 1: All right, let's check our first break when we come back,
Speaker 1: let's talk about these injuries Cowboys were experienced. Not only
Speaker 1: do they go into the game with a lot of injuries,
Speaker 1: throughout the game, they kept losing players and it seemed
Speaker 1: like Nick, as you pointed out a little earlier before
Speaker 1: he went on the air, it was the same position.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that when we come right back. This
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Speaker 1: It is the second segment of The Great Blackness WBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios. At the start, we're talking about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: lost twenty four twenty two to the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: They now fall to three and three and a big
Speaker 1: division game coming up on tap this Sunday. They'll face
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday Night Football boat teams at
Speaker 1: three and three. Very very important game. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get back into the game against the Jets, though, Nick,
Speaker 1: talk to me about some of the injuries. I know
Speaker 1: you were you were before we went on the show.
Speaker 1: You were kind of charting them all and kind of
Speaker 1: putting all the numbers down, and you made the obviously
Speaker 1: the observation that these are all just like I think,
Speaker 1: it's at four positions, which is when you think about
Speaker 1: that number of injuries that they had, it just being
Speaker 1: guys at three or four positions. That's a big, big
Speaker 1: hit for a four team. Yeah, and definitely when you have,
Speaker 1: you know, two corners and two receivers and two tackles
Speaker 1: and you find yourself playing in a game against the
Speaker 1: Jets with Brandon Knight starting at tackle, a guy that
Speaker 1: nobody you know, really thought was going to make the
Speaker 1: team much less start game six, um C J. Goodwin,
Speaker 1: who we don't really consider a corner as having to
Speaker 1: play corner on the goal line. Cedric Wilson's having to
Speaker 1: play wide receiver and he you know, has a decent game,
Speaker 1: but also had a critical penalty in the game just
Speaker 1: based off inexperience. You know eighty three I forgot his name, actually,
Speaker 1: Brontell Bryant. You know, he's playing receiver on the goal line.
Speaker 1: So that's what happens when you have multiple injuries like
Speaker 1: that and you know, um it was. It's not an excuse,
Speaker 1: it's just reality. I mean, when you keep having injuries
Speaker 1: like that, you lower yourself to the standards of the
Speaker 1: team of an one fourth team like the Jets. And
Speaker 1: they were hungrier than them so that, you know, and
Speaker 1: they won the game. But you can't just keep having
Speaker 1: injuries and think it's gonna be fine. It's not. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why they play it. Yeah, I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: an excuse. It's just. Man. If I'm a if I'm
Speaker 1: a piste Off fan listening to this, it sounds like
Speaker 1: an exclusion. And I know, I know, I know that's
Speaker 1: not what you're trying to say, But I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: I got the team stats right here. They outgained the Jets.
Speaker 1: They were better on third down, they won the turnover battle,
Speaker 1: they ran the ball better. Let me make what didn't
Speaker 1: they do better? This is this is where I think
Speaker 1: that the problem is, and I wrote this this is
Speaker 1: this team isn't deep enough to play like this, and
Speaker 1: the depth is not as good. And I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about Brandon Knight for for Lyle Collins or Cedric Wilson.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Michael Gallup not stepping up and making plays.
Speaker 1: How about Zach Martin and Travis Frederick. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: and I've said this all several times today, but Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith getting three tackles is unacceptable, Like he's unaccepta that's
Speaker 1: unacceptable now for a drive for a quarter maybe, but
Speaker 1: for three for the game, one solo tackle, two for
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence. I mean, that's the depth that I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Next not next man up, But you're already up, make
Speaker 1: a play and we need you. That's the problem, I think,
Speaker 1: And that's the key when you start talking about these
Speaker 1: kind of situations, when you have that many starters that
Speaker 1: are out, it's not necessarily the guy that's coming in
Speaker 1: to replace them that needs to step up, because guess what,
Speaker 1: he's just himself, like there's a reason why he's not
Speaker 1: starting in most instances. The fact is it's all those
Speaker 1: other guys that are being highly paid. It's all those
Speaker 1: other guys who are making Pro Bowls and All pros.
Speaker 1: Those are the guys that need to step up and
Speaker 1: do more and be able to be counted on and
Speaker 1: relied upon. I don't know the number of times I saw,
Speaker 1: particularly the two offensive linemen there in the middle, who
Speaker 1: are supposed to be some of the best in the league,
Speaker 1: that we're giving up letting their guys get by creating
Speaker 1: pressure in completion. So if you want to talk about
Speaker 1: guys they need to step up. To me, it's not
Speaker 1: so much about those other guys. It's about the guys
Speaker 1: that this team should be counting on anyway to make plays.
Speaker 1: I thought third and one down on the five yard
Speaker 1: line was the play of the game, cheese, because you
Speaker 1: know that that's one where they just run it right
Speaker 1: up the middle there and and again. This is what
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I think, I think Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: and that you know Dak. I think Dad could beat
Speaker 1: Tom Brady in a fight. But why can't Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: get one yard? I don't I don't understand it. I've
Speaker 1: been tom Brady gets the yard on a quarterback sneak
Speaker 1: better than anybody. Time you keep saying third and one,
Speaker 1: and it was it was third and a ruler like,
Speaker 1: maybe just did it yesterday, Sam Darl did it yesterday,
Speaker 1: and just lean forward first out, it's gonna have the
Speaker 1: guy is six two, two thirty. If he can't get
Speaker 1: you a handful of inches, what's going on? It's it's unconscionable.
Speaker 1: And and again it just it feels arrogant. And how
Speaker 1: many times do we say that where it's like, we
Speaker 1: do what we do, we don't worry about the other team.
Speaker 1: Maybe you should worry about the other team, especially if
Speaker 1: two fifths of your starting offensive line isn't there. Maybe
Speaker 1: a telegraph plunge up the gut on an obvious running
Speaker 1: down isn't the way to go. Like, if everybody's healthy
Speaker 1: and it's twenty sixteen and nobody can mess with the
Speaker 1: Dallas O line, awesome, it ain't that sneak the freaking ball.
Speaker 1: I don't even care that. I don't even care that
Speaker 1: the fourth and two was such a bad play call
Speaker 1: because it shouldn't have even got to that point. It
Speaker 1: looked like Paul Horning and Jim Taylor from the old Packers'
Speaker 1: days of the you know they'll sweep like that, like
Speaker 1: what is that right in front of us? And we
Speaker 1: were just like this ain't gonna work. Sam Darnold had
Speaker 1: a know. My buddy John Machoda tweeted it out this morning.
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold yesterday was just like, well, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's the cowboys. They do what they always do. They
Speaker 1: they played a lot of single high occasionally two tried
Speaker 1: to stop there and that's it's a different it's a
Speaker 1: different thing. But again, like the do what we do.
Speaker 1: I really thought that we're moving on from that kind
Speaker 1: of mentality that clearly, I mean just literally like the
Speaker 1: Patriots got where they are because they don't do what
Speaker 1: they do day anybody else. And and I you can
Speaker 1: tell I'm frustrated because I hate bringing up the Patriots
Speaker 1: because there's such an outlier that it's unfair to compare
Speaker 1: anyone to them. But adapt your personnel and your decision
Speaker 1: making to the situation at hand. People you put fantasy face, yes,
Speaker 1: I do. Do you do you like having a running
Speaker 1: back for the Patriots? No? Why because you can never
Speaker 1: count on one because you never know. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, can Old the Walley get the ball once
Speaker 1: down there? Like like we would all be shocked as
Speaker 1: hell if if you know, something happened. Fullback to snucking
Speaker 1: in that story I wrote in August about how he
Speaker 1: was going to have this big, improved role. Doesn't so good?
Speaker 1: Something different, it's but it's always got to be fourth
Speaker 1: and inches for for Dak to maybe do the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and why not third and one, because if it's first
Speaker 1: and goal at the four yard line, you know, I
Speaker 1: like my chances there. Yeah, and it's it. It feels
Speaker 1: like like color by numbers, remember that, Like it's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's it's first intense. So we run and and we
Speaker 1: get it to second and six, and then it's sucking
Speaker 1: and manageable. I'm so tired of the word manageable, Like
Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's it's just frustrating. Garrett was
Speaker 1: just pissed off about about that and just said, I'm
Speaker 1: we're going for it on fourth and two when that
Speaker 1: wasn't the right decision. I think that was a bad
Speaker 1: decision by Jason to do that. You already got stopped
Speaker 1: on one yard. Now it's fourth and two at the
Speaker 1: at the six, I mean, yeah, let's let's let's go there.
Speaker 1: Because I didn't reminds them. Sorry, it reminds me of
Speaker 1: the loss to Houston last year. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think they punted and Garrett was like, well, it was
Speaker 1: a long one and we hadn't been running, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, uh you know, they wound up, you know,
Speaker 1: establishing the run kind of worked. Zeke finished with one
Speaker 1: hundred yards. They ran the ball well after halftime. They
Speaker 1: were averaging like two point eight yards per carry in
Speaker 1: the first half. Like it wasn't really there for him.
Speaker 1: Uh So to act like they had all this confidence
Speaker 1: that they could get that after getting stuffed on third
Speaker 1: down is some reason. If you kick it at seven
Speaker 1: six and you kick it off at the twenty five
Speaker 1: yard line, I just don't think. I just don't think
Speaker 1: it's going to be a seventy five yard touchdown to
Speaker 1: eleven whatever. Robbie Andrews don't think that's happening. Well, you
Speaker 1: think about that whole thing. And next thing I want
Speaker 1: to go to was the coaching decisions. I think there
Speaker 1: were a couple of decisions. You can you can look
Speaker 1: at it and it leaves leaves you kind of scratching
Speaker 1: your head a little bit. Obviously, on third and one
Speaker 1: we talked about other things they could have done rather
Speaker 1: than telegraphing they've running up the middle with Zeke. Now again,
Speaker 1: they may have thought of it from the standpoint of Okay,
Speaker 1: this is why we have Zach and this is why
Speaker 1: we have Travis. But as I haven't mentioned, they are
Speaker 1: not playing consistently over the last several games. Like Zach
Speaker 1: and Travis that we've known in the past, they probably
Speaker 1: who they've been, they probably have an easier time buying
Speaker 1: four inches of space for the linebacker quarterback to push
Speaker 1: the ball across the line. Yeah. Probably. You don't have
Speaker 1: to take four steps back from the line and hand
Speaker 1: it off to the running back. You just just fall
Speaker 1: forward and get it. Sorry, no, no, that's fine. I
Speaker 1: guess the question I have for you guys is, even
Speaker 1: with that being said, whatever they did on third down,
Speaker 1: do you think, and Nick, you've already chimed in, do
Speaker 1: you think it was the right decision on fourth down
Speaker 1: to go for it? Because if you look at like
Speaker 1: the numbers there guys out there, to do these numbers,
Speaker 1: everything says that in that situation you're the likelihood of
Speaker 1: you getting is probably greater than the likelihood of you
Speaker 1: not based upon where you were in the game though,
Speaker 1: in the game situation, do you think the Cowboys should
Speaker 1: have taken the points rather than going for the kick?
Speaker 1: And don't forget Maha would have been the one that
Speaker 1: would have been kicking, and so you have to factor
Speaker 1: that into There's a lot of stuff you have to
Speaker 1: factor in, like you know, uh, they're gonna get the
Speaker 1: ball back after halftime, so you know, it sets you
Speaker 1: up in a good position going into the half. I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not ever gonna kill somebody too much for
Speaker 1: going for it because I like the aggressiveness. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: analytics tell you that that that's not a bad decision.
Speaker 1: Could they kicked the field goal maybe yeah, And I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have hated that, but I don't. I don't want
Speaker 1: to trash him for going for it because I get
Speaker 1: so mad when coaches play too conservatively. It just again,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't have gotten to that point. And then on
Speaker 1: top of that, didn't not don't think that's the right
Speaker 1: time to run the whatever that was Joe Burrow for
Speaker 1: Lsuho does that all the time? Actually? Like the quarterback
Speaker 1: speed the option power thing, like I guess, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, so, I mean, how that worked, we would
Speaker 1: have been saying different, Well, the story would have been
Speaker 1: different and the way we talked about them. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of how it goes me. I'm not as upset
Speaker 1: as them doing that. I'm more upset to the for
Speaker 1: them getting to that point. You know, they should not
Speaker 1: have been at that point and the things that they're
Speaker 1: doing right now. I mean, it's just I'm just so
Speaker 1: confused by this team. I'm really really confused. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to make of it. I'm not ready to say, oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna suck all season long, because I truly believe
Speaker 1: that at some point they're gonna turn things around. But
Speaker 1: the story of this team is like, oh, well they
Speaker 1: are how this isn't is going They do it kind
Speaker 1: of too late, you know, so this is where you
Speaker 1: need to start making it happen and not wait later
Speaker 1: in the season when you're facing teams are even harder
Speaker 1: to go against. So I don't know, the big the
Speaker 1: big and yeah, like you know, not to sound like
Speaker 1: an apologist, this doesn't really mean anything other than that
Speaker 1: they're nowhere near as good as we thought they were,
Speaker 1: Like they were three and five last year. They get
Speaker 1: they righted the ship, like that's all still in play.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to worry about that yet. But you
Speaker 1: look at what's coming on the schedule, like NFC contenders,
Speaker 1: Division games, AFC contenders, good teams like this is this
Speaker 1: was not a good team. And to know that in
Speaker 1: December when you're let's say eight and seven, and I
Speaker 1: mean big deal, you lost to the Saints like they
Speaker 1: are awesome, they're rolling without their so that's fine. You're
Speaker 1: gonna lose games, but like to look back and be like, man,
Speaker 1: we could be a full game up if we had
Speaker 1: beaten the New York Jets. That is a tough pill
Speaker 1: to swallow, and it will almost undoubtedly come back to
Speaker 1: bite them in the butt, even if they climb into
Speaker 1: the playoff race, it will almost undoubtedly come back to
Speaker 1: bite them. You know what really pisses me off, And
Speaker 1: I don't know why this comment piss me off so
Speaker 1: much last night or just hearing about it. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a clean slate every week. It's a
Speaker 1: clean slate. We're gonna focus on this upcoming team, which
Speaker 1: I get that's what you kind of have to do,
Speaker 1: but no, like, look at the crap you've been doing
Speaker 1: in the past. It is a problem. And like when
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones was talking last night and he said he
Speaker 1: made a comment about, well, we wont the turnover battle, Okay,
Speaker 1: what did that do? Didn't really do anything. So it's like,
Speaker 1: just I'd rather them speak about this team more honestly,
Speaker 1: like they they're feeling for it. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I understand why they speak the way they do, but
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know how to feel right now
Speaker 1: about this team. I think what we all know at
Speaker 1: this point after watching what we've watched is, at the
Speaker 1: very best, this team, as they've performed this season is
Speaker 1: an average team. They're three and three. They've beaten some
Speaker 1: bad teams. I mean yeahve beaten some bad teams. They've
Speaker 1: lost to some good teams. They've also lost to a
Speaker 1: bad team. So at the best case scenario for what
Speaker 1: they've shown this year, they are an average team. It
Speaker 1: could you could say that they're worse than that after
Speaker 1: losing to the Jets, but at the very best, right now,
Speaker 1: they're performing like an average team and we'll see where
Speaker 1: it goes from there. This doesn't necessarily predict the future,
Speaker 1: but that's what we've seen to this point is that
Speaker 1: they are very, very very average. Let's take our final break.
Speaker 1: I want to come back talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: the defense. Also need to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: the kicker. We'll do that when we come back. This
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Speaker 1: let's jump back in. Let's talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: the defense. Sam Donald had a really really great day.
Speaker 1: Twenty three or thirty two seventy two pass or completion
Speaker 1: rating I mean completion percentage three hundred and thirty eight yards,
Speaker 1: two touchdowns, interception, quarterback rating of one hundred and thirteen
Speaker 1: point eight UM. And if I'm being honest, I kind
Speaker 1: of was a little bit concerned about this last week
Speaker 1: just because we hadn't really seen Sam Donald work in
Speaker 1: that offense with Leveon Bell, who was a big addition
Speaker 1: for them, but one game this season, and I thought
Speaker 1: they played pretty decent against a really good Buffalo defense.
Speaker 1: That being said, obviously, yesterday we saw a pretty good
Speaker 1: offense from the standpoint of at LEAs how they moved
Speaker 1: the ball. We'll see how the season progresses, and they
Speaker 1: have New England this week. We'll see how as the
Speaker 1: season progresses, how much of that was the Cowboys being
Speaker 1: poor on defense and how much of that was really
Speaker 1: their offense being able to click. But what did you
Speaker 1: guys see and maybe how they were attacking the Cowboys
Speaker 1: that created all of these extra all these opportunities in
Speaker 1: their passing. They blocked, They blocked up front. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a team they gave up ten sacks against
Speaker 1: the Eagles, and they gave up two to Robert Coyn
Speaker 1: and that was it. And they had they did a
Speaker 1: really nice job of keeping a pocket clean for him.
Speaker 1: For the most part. They ran quick routes. I mean
Speaker 1: that they threw that ball out quickly and those guys
Speaker 1: made place. I think the Cowboys have issues that. I
Speaker 1: mean when you think about what's no pressure up front,
Speaker 1: The linebackers aren't playing well. The cornerbacks really weren't playing
Speaker 1: well either. So in the safeties, I mean, Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: made a terrible play to give up a ninety two
Speaker 1: yard touchdown, so to go back to the fourth and two.
Speaker 1: Another reason I don't kill them for that is say
Speaker 1: what you will about Rod Marinelli's tenure here, Like they
Speaker 1: don't get enough takeaways, blah blah blah, Like they don't
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, Like they don't give up the whole
Speaker 1: thing in twelve freaking seconds. Like you're like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario, they'll grind it out and kick
Speaker 1: a fuel goal and like you got some work to do,
Speaker 1: but big deal, Like that's what you've come to expect
Speaker 1: from Rod Marinelli's defense. And instead they gave up the
Speaker 1: longest play in the NFL this season, I believe, the
Speaker 1: longest play in Jets history. Um, and again, you know
Speaker 1: Robbie Anderson, Jeff Jeff Heath has has had millions of
Speaker 1: ups and downs in his Cowboys career. We don't need
Speaker 1: to get into all of them right now. That doesn't
Speaker 1: typically happen there. It happened against Detroit last year. Terrible
Speaker 1: angle against Golden Tate, terrible angle yesterday. Anything, its ramps
Speaker 1: against Robbie Anderson, just bad. Um. They kudos to the
Speaker 1: Jets for game planning quick throws, which you know, like
Speaker 1: I said, if the Jets can do it, I don't
Speaker 1: know why the Cowboys can't do it. Um. And even
Speaker 1: still and you know, it's it's Monday morning. I need
Speaker 1: to go back and look. But you know I've been
Speaker 1: the one championing to Marcus Lawrence and that the pass
Speaker 1: rush has been playing well on tape and not so
Speaker 1: much in the stats I didn't see yesterday. You know,
Speaker 1: big big ups to all of y'all that that fight
Speaker 1: with me about that because y'all win this week. Like
Speaker 1: I don't. Even even with all the stuff the Jets
Speaker 1: were doing, they didn't. They didn't. It wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: By the way, they were not doubling him no yesterday
Speaker 1: for the most part. They kipped him every once in
Speaker 1: a while, but for the most part they were leaving
Speaker 1: him out there on an island, and just I tweeted this.
Speaker 1: You know, they got a sack on the second play
Speaker 1: of the game, and they drew a couple of really
Speaker 1: huge holding penalties, which it's not a sack, but it
Speaker 1: effectively works as one because it backs the offense up
Speaker 1: ten yards. But it felt like that went out the
Speaker 1: window as the game wore on. UM. Well, in the
Speaker 1: Jets second drive, well they got okay, what this felt
Speaker 1: to me like they were almost back to back, which
Speaker 1: they weren't really, but it was all while the Jets
Speaker 1: had the ball, and you got a penalty on Cheeto,
Speaker 1: then the one on antone Woods that I'm like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Man, chill out? And then you get
Speaker 1: another one four field goals on the same drive. The
Speaker 1: four penalties, I said, that's exactly touchdown that or something.
Speaker 1: Check out the last drive at the game. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we were right behind that side judge and
Speaker 1: he was just holding the flag. I mean like he
Speaker 1: was just like ready, like let me say this about that.
Speaker 1: Um And I know we argued a little bit before
Speaker 1: the show, but to me, if I get it that
Speaker 1: that point in the game, I'm not calling past interference
Speaker 1: on on Witten. I understand that the two at the
Speaker 1: passengers for the two point conversion, but it's it's in
Speaker 1: place now to to look at it. And this is
Speaker 1: the biggest play of the game. I mean, they score,
Speaker 1: the game's tied. If they don't, the game is over.
Speaker 1: Just like that. So just you know, humor me and
Speaker 1: say we're gonna look at it, but we're going to
Speaker 1: look at it because it's a booth review. They looked
Speaker 1: at it and they said no passing interference. Just tell
Speaker 1: me that. But the same with the past interference on
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson. Are you sure they didn't because everything that
Speaker 1: happens after the two minute is all reviewed from upstairs,
Speaker 1: or I should tell us then they should say no. No.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is they just they watch every play
Speaker 1: in the last two minutes is the way I understand it,
Speaker 1: and they all to all penalties after the two minutes
Speaker 1: are not reviewed from upstairs, and they immediately like they
Speaker 1: look at every since. No, no, not penalties, but they
Speaker 1: review everything. Right, I don't know that especially well tell me,
Speaker 1: I mean, then then stop the game for just a
Speaker 1: second and just say that the plays under review, and
Speaker 1: then just say that's all I'm saying the same with
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson's past interference. They should have done that, I
Speaker 1: don't think. I think the difference though, is I don't
Speaker 1: think they can actually call a penalty from up there.
Speaker 1: It's not they're gonna stop the game and say, oh,
Speaker 1: there should have been a penalty on that play. Yes
Speaker 1: they can, because if if they didn't, wait, what about
Speaker 1: the Saints Ramps game? What would have happened? Then they
Speaker 1: would have had to call the game and say, you
Speaker 1: know what, he speared him in the head. That's kind
Speaker 1: of a penalty. We're going to call that, right, That's
Speaker 1: what would have happened. Honestly, I don't know what this
Speaker 1: new rule. I don't know if that's that was what
Speaker 1: it was designed to do. Because if not, then then
Speaker 1: that play against Saints and Rams is going to happen again,
Speaker 1: because yes, you know what that is all I'm saying
Speaker 1: this is what if the guy would have grabuate you know,
Speaker 1: Whitten's jersey? He didn't, he didn't, but what if he
Speaker 1: would have had that? Just Just look at it real quick,
Speaker 1: because if not, the game is over. I still have
Speaker 1: yet to see an NFL game where someone from a
Speaker 1: booth calls down a penalty. That's what I haven't seen,
Speaker 1: So I don't know that that would be the rule
Speaker 1: that they could do that that if not something that
Speaker 1: was not called on the field they called out and
Speaker 1: say no, that was the Saints Rams game. That I
Speaker 1: understand you, I understand you. All I'm saying is I
Speaker 1: have not seen that happen in the end on Cedric Wilson.
Speaker 1: They should have looked at it because it was a touchdown.
Speaker 1: They should have said, are you sure that that happened? Oh,
Speaker 1: that certainly was a back haul in my opinion. But
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. I can't bring myself to care
Speaker 1: about the Whitten thing because it's for me, that's the
Speaker 1: epitome of let him play, Like I can just look
Speaker 1: at it. Just tell me, yeah, we looked at it.
Speaker 1: If that's what would make you feel better, that's fine.
Speaker 1: But like if I as a fan of good defense,
Speaker 1: I constantly feel like defenses aren't allowed to do anything
Speaker 1: anymore and it cheapens the game in my opinion. So
Speaker 1: like I thought that was a good no call, I've
Speaker 1: got no problem with it. I don't need to get
Speaker 1: into the OPI people are mad at me because like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that was a terrible call either. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think much like defensive pass interference, like did Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown interfere on the play in the Packers game last week?
Speaker 1: Probably not, but he didn't play the ball, and that's
Speaker 1: what the refs are looking for. Cedric Wilson, I thought
Speaker 1: looked like a guy who was more so trying to
Speaker 1: get in the way than runner out, Like he wasn't
Speaker 1: looking back towards the quarterback. He didn't really look like
Speaker 1: he was running arout. I think refs looked for that.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not what he was doing, but that's what
Speaker 1: it looked like to me. Again, And honestly, rudos to
Speaker 1: the Jets defenders because I think they kind of sold
Speaker 1: it too, like Adams, you know, probably ran into him
Speaker 1: on purpose to make it look more like a pick
Speaker 1: than it was. Problems. If that's the way that it's
Speaker 1: being called, it needs to be called consistently. Because there
Speaker 1: was a play earlier in the game. It was third
Speaker 1: and four, the Jets at the ball um they did
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. Brown gets rubbed and you remember
Speaker 1: he goes downfield. I think it was who was that Crowder?
Speaker 1: Twenty four yards. Yeah, it was exact same thing. And
Speaker 1: that's my problem with with these rub routes. It's like
Speaker 1: referees decide when they want to call him and when
Speaker 1: they don't. You watch a Patriots game, and I know
Speaker 1: we've spent a lot of time talking about referencing Patriots,
Speaker 1: but it happens almost every single play. They have all
Speaker 1: these games where they're rubbing these guys, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to watch as a fan when there's
Speaker 1: not consistency and how things are being called. You're you're,
Speaker 1: you're right about that, and that's rub routes are frustrating
Speaker 1: because like it's it's a staple of offenses, these datas
Speaker 1: and and I don't have a problem with it. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think Jason could have challenged it though. That's
Speaker 1: the problem I have. I don't think he can. He
Speaker 1: can it's a touchdown touchdown because wouldn't scored, so it's
Speaker 1: a touchdown allows are reviewed from the booth. So that's
Speaker 1: another problem too. I mean, you couldn't be able to
Speaker 1: challenge that, and again it's probably not gonna matter, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's probably gunshy with challenges. Now, he said
Speaker 1: that this morning his radio call, he was like, no,
Speaker 1: when it comes to these offensive pass interferences, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's very well documented that the league, he said,
Speaker 1: the League has actually told him, has articulated to him
Speaker 1: that this is going to be a very very high
Speaker 1: standard by which they would apply to reverse a call
Speaker 1: or to make that call after the fact. And so
Speaker 1: it's it's just not it's not in the best interests
Speaker 1: all the time to actually throw the flag, even if
Speaker 1: you could. The thing for me is that you cannot.
Speaker 1: You cannot have watched this game from beginning to end
Speaker 1: and think that two calls or no calls by the
Speaker 1: officials or absolutely. I just so what they deserved what
Speaker 1: they got yesterday. Honestly, they deserved what they got yesterday
Speaker 1: because they had a lot of opportunities to write those wrongs, right,
Speaker 1: they missed opportunities yesterday. So you still put it back
Speaker 1: on them that they just didn't play good enough game
Speaker 1: to way I get true. But I mean I do
Speaker 1: think that a call here or there, I mean, like
Speaker 1: the third the third and one play, I mean that
Speaker 1: that was probably the difference in the game. If they
Speaker 1: get that first down, they probably score a touchdown. They're
Speaker 1: not getting a touchdown seventeen seconds later, you know, down
Speaker 1: the ninety two yards. I mean, yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: isn't a difference in the game. But just like you
Speaker 1: say that, they didn't deserve to win, just like they
Speaker 1: say that. I'll move on to the next topic that
Speaker 1: I wanted to hit, which is Maher. He had a
Speaker 1: forty yard field goal. Forty yard field goal changes this game.
Speaker 1: It changes the complexions game if you just look at
Speaker 1: the score. Yeah, it changes the outcome of the game.
Speaker 1: And that's a field goal that should be makeable for
Speaker 1: an NFL kicker if he man is the forty yarder.
Speaker 1: Though he made that forty yarder for you, and the
Speaker 1: sixty two was short. Like, no, we're not even talking
Speaker 1: about Brett Maher today. It's the same thing. Three point
Speaker 1: tier or three point tier. I mean, yeah, he missed
Speaker 1: the forty. But you have to you have to deal
Speaker 1: with it because you know, I believe this, he gets
Speaker 1: cut tomorrow for who Bret Maher is gonna get claimed
Speaker 1: by somebody? Okay, And here's my question on that. Here's
Speaker 1: my question because I believe wholeheartedly there isn't a lot
Speaker 1: out there on the way for a while obviously, But
Speaker 1: do you think that the Cowboys made a mistake by
Speaker 1: not going and finding somebody that can provide more competition
Speaker 1: that maybe they find a guy during training camp that's
Speaker 1: a bit more reliable than Brett maher Is. Yeah. Probably
Speaker 1: My guy, Cole Tracy still is. He's getting ready for
Speaker 1: the XFL Draft. And I can't make a sixty two yarder.
Speaker 1: He can make like a fifty five yarder. Take that,
Speaker 1: and if you can be consistent forty and in, I'm
Speaker 1: definitely in on that. I'm with Nick though, and listen,
Speaker 1: it's not good enough. He's like, he's a seventy five percent,
Speaker 1: eighty percent kicker. That's not good enough. But it's what
Speaker 1: they have right now. And we talk about it with
Speaker 1: other players all the time. Is you got to put
Speaker 1: your guys in position to succeed. If you're asking a
Speaker 1: seventy five percent kicker to kick four times in a
Speaker 1: game because you can't score touchdowns, that's probably what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get. Killer that drive, right there was an absolute
Speaker 1: killer to do that on the twenty three yard line
Speaker 1: and to get one yard coming out of the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter to get one yard, so you're trying to throw
Speaker 1: a deep pastor Winton, who's never gonna make that play.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I like winning them, you know, as much
Speaker 1: as anyone. But they put him in situations. And I
Speaker 1: said this to Dave in the press box. What year
Speaker 1: in his career does he make that play? Does he
Speaker 1: go up deslike and make it? Okay, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: do that. That's not a smart play. Definitely not in
Speaker 1: that kind of situation. Right, and then then a second
Speaker 1: one or second and ten, one yard, third and nine
Speaker 1: incomplete forty yard kick. I think I put my computer up.
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, it told I mean, no, no.
Speaker 1: As soon as he got the third down, you said,
Speaker 1: if Mars the Maha has to kick this field goal,
Speaker 1: he's missing it. And you're like, if he made the
Speaker 1: sixty two, the just the law of averages, he's not
Speaker 1: making this. And law of averages again, is you know
Speaker 1: he's he's been hitting seventy five to eighty percent, he's
Speaker 1: struggled from close range, he's already made three. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: a big believer in that stuff, and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to tell you that you should be happy or satisfied
Speaker 1: with the job that Brett Maher is doing but like
Speaker 1: we all knew it. Everybody here was like, well, like
Speaker 1: he's bound to miss this one because he's made the
Speaker 1: other three to miss and then but but he did
Speaker 1: it anyway because you aren't good enough down in that
Speaker 1: part of the field. And I struggle to blame Brett
Speaker 1: Maher for that because the offense put him in a
Speaker 1: position to fail more or less. All right, we appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys joining us. I know it was a lot
Speaker 1: for twenty or third will we will pick some of
Speaker 1: these topics back up. There are a couple of things
Speaker 1: we didn't get to today. We're gonna hit back up tomorrow,
Speaker 1: so make sure you join us at eleven thirty for
Speaker 1: more talk on this game and more talk on the
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