WEBVTT - "Bachelorette" Fallout Just Getting Started 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey that folks. It is Saturday, March twenty first, and

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<v Speaker 1>headlines and entertainment matters and pr matters have now given

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<v Speaker 1>way to legal matters as the fallout continues from the

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<v Speaker 1>cancelation of the Taylor Frankie Paul lead season of The

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<v Speaker 1>bat Thurreat. With that, welcome to this episode of Amy

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<v Speaker 1>and TJ. Yes here on this Saturday. Yes, or Tomorrow's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be a big premiere day for the bat Threat.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not happening. And rode some of the headlines

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<v Speaker 1>or one thing about the cancelation, And now we're starting

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<v Speaker 1>to see some drips and drabs of maybe some legal

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<v Speaker 1>matters starting to bubble up, including for her personally in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of her family robes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, a lot of people have been running to lawyers

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<v Speaker 2>for some legal advice, as you predicted earlier. Yes, this

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<v Speaker 2>is where the story turns next. And first, Yes, it

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<v Speaker 2>is personal and painful for Taylor Frankie Paul because Dakota Mortensen,

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<v Speaker 2>who was her ex, who is in that video, who

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<v Speaker 2>she's now under investigation with for another domestic violence incident.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he went to court.

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<v Speaker 2>We told you on Thursday when that video was released,

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<v Speaker 2>asked a judge for a protective order and asked for

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<v Speaker 2>sole custody of his son temporarily.

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<v Speaker 3>Well guess what he got both.

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<v Speaker 1>How old is this this one two years old?

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the video came out on Ever's second birthday,

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<v Speaker 2>March nineteenth, and so he was with Dakota.

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<v Speaker 3>He is staying with Dakota.

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<v Speaker 2>And even worse, Babe, there's a hearing scheduled for April seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Frankie Paul cannot have contact with her son until then.

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<v Speaker 2>The actual quote from the judge was, no parent time

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<v Speaker 2>is allowed until the scheduled hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's I mean, you could talk about the show

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<v Speaker 1>all day long, robes, but that is a devastating blow

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<v Speaker 1>for anybody. Yes, you could say this is all of

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<v Speaker 1>her own doing and that's fine, but that's devastating and

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<v Speaker 1>things are starting to pile up like that. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>awful to here, and it's probably the right move, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how anyone, I mean, a judge, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what the judge is supposed to do, make this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a call. I don't know how it's anyone

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<v Speaker 1>can kind of right now disagree with that. Yes, she

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<v Speaker 1>lost temporarily.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of the biggest shows on the planet right now,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least temporarily, she's lost them, and almost certainly

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<v Speaker 2>at least one of them has gone forever.

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<v Speaker 3>And to now lose custody of her son.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think just the idea that you can't even

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<v Speaker 2>have supervised visits, you can't even lay eye on your son,

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<v Speaker 2>because in that protective order that Dakota got, it is

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<v Speaker 2>ordered now that Taylor Frankie Paul must stay one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>feet away from Dakota, which includes his home, which is

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<v Speaker 2>where her son is. And she also can't own any weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the conditions of the protective order. And the

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<v Speaker 2>temporary customers.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know what the judge saw, but the judge saw

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<v Speaker 1>enough to think you're enough of a danger to another

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<v Speaker 1>human being that you have to stay away. These things

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<v Speaker 1>aren't taken necessarily lightly Romes. But a judge looked at

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<v Speaker 1>evidence and found her to be a threat, but a

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<v Speaker 1>network looked at her and did not. That's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be another part of the story. And Rose, you just

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<v Speaker 1>said something like she had two of the biggest shows.

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<v Speaker 1>She's lost one for sure, Hashi is what's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be my only question?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean I think I'm just saying, God, how

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<v Speaker 2>would they ever? But we pointed out and several articles

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<v Speaker 2>that have been popping up over the weekend have also

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<v Speaker 2>pointed out that in their official statement, in Disney's official statement,

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<v Speaker 2>they said at this time when they talked about canceling

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<v Speaker 2>or postponing the show, they put in the phrase at

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<v Speaker 2>this time, and they talked about what's possibly probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Going on behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>They A lot of folks believe that executives gave themselves

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<v Speaker 2>a a possible life raft. If, for instance, the court

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<v Speaker 2>decides in Utah not to pursue charges against Taylor Frankie Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>if somehow other information comes out that makes her look better,

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<v Speaker 2>or we can understand perhaps the context that she's been

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, or if anything changes or shifts, possibly could

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<v Speaker 2>they put this on in a later date.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of the first things. Yes, other people

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<v Speaker 1>are writing about it now, but Robes we were in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of it and we were recording when this

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<v Speaker 1>news came down and we saw that ABC statement, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of the first things that jumped out. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so those words did not have to be placed in there,

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<v Speaker 1>but they gave themselves a possibility of still what Robes

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<v Speaker 1>making their money back on this show that they are

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's going to lose a lot of money on. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who's going to sue whom and how that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to work. But Robes to think that they make sure

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<v Speaker 1>what were the three words at this time, at this time,

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<v Speaker 1>those three words could save them tens of millions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars if there.

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<v Speaker 2>There's any chance they want to keep that window cracked open.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, before you move on to the next thing, let

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<v Speaker 1>me ask you on that point. She doesn't get charged

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<v Speaker 1>on this second incident, what difference does it make in

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<v Speaker 1>their decision to put.

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<v Speaker 2>It on because they would possibly say that this happened

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<v Speaker 2>three years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>She has served her time. Her probation, I guess is

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<v Speaker 3>up this summer.

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<v Speaker 2>A court decided she did not either violate that probation

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<v Speaker 2>or do anything wrong. And although it's toxic and messy,

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<v Speaker 2>this is something we already knew about and we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>her turn her life around.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay that I mean, that's me just guessing what they

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<v Speaker 3>could say.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, that is Okay, that's tough to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think there is a very small chance that

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>See, but now you're putting it out there. At least

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about it before we came on here. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I am blown I just have to admit by I'm

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<v Speaker 1>blown away of how much Disney ABC are willing to

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<v Speaker 1>stand by someone who is a domestic abuser who has

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<v Speaker 1>been proven. Now you can people do their crime, You

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<v Speaker 1>do your time, and it's over. You can move forward.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is fine. That again, they are not supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be you do your time, Broes. You shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>denied a life of whatever dignity and ability to make money.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that this is the person we, as Disney,

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<v Speaker 1>a family company, choose to stand by and to defend

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<v Speaker 1>and to put on a pedestal someone who that behavior

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<v Speaker 1>came out of fine, but for a family company, or

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<v Speaker 1>to say, we're willing like all the people out there

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<v Speaker 1>who don't have that video and that history and that background,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the documented history of poor decisions in her

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<v Speaker 1>love life, who doesn't have a documented history now of

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<v Speaker 1>domestic violence that we actually saw they had other options

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<v Speaker 1>for them to triple quadruple down and still stand next

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<v Speaker 1>to her. Given I just I am money is it Robes?

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't make sense?

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<v Speaker 3>Money and trying to save face.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's any chance for them to say, see, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't she wasn't that bad.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't as bad as you thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So now their reputation is they're banking it on

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<v Speaker 1>her reputation getting better. So that's what's gonna make Disney

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<v Speaker 1>look better is if everybody looks at her and thinks, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>she turned her life around and we have better context. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you're saying?

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<v Speaker 3>That's what that was the only thing I could think

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<v Speaker 3>of that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's yes, it's mostly money, obviously, but there is reputation

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I robes. The part I'm blown away by is the

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<v Speaker 1>reputational part. They already know what their reputation is. Why, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get past that they picked her. I'm going now,

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<v Speaker 1>with all this out, Why haven't they distanced themselves. Why

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<v Speaker 1>haven't they come out and said that is a boring

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<v Speaker 1>behavior your Why holy hell, they haven't said that? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>shit to me? I mean, wait a minute, we missed

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<v Speaker 1>it somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they haven't. They are leaving the window open for

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<v Speaker 3>them to error.

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<v Speaker 1>Have they not condemned what we saw in the video? No,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, do you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Their statement ENLiGHT the recent development.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, baby, No, no, I'm missing so we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta go look this that I'm missing something. There is

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<v Speaker 1>no way they have not come out and said domestic

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<v Speaker 1>violence is bad.

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<v Speaker 3>No, this is what they said.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh we miss something.

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<v Speaker 3>No, this is their only statement.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way.

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<v Speaker 3>This is their only statement. This is their only statement.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait now I have a okay, right when I pulled

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<v Speaker 3>it up.

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<v Speaker 1>But you get what I'm saying here. No matter what,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter who you are, we all looked and saw

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<v Speaker 1>that even if you're a family member of hers, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you're the greatest supporter of hers, you could still

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<v Speaker 1>support her and say what we saw in that video

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<v Speaker 1>is awful. Nothing like that should ever ever happen again.

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<v Speaker 1>But to so, why then what's the calculation there?

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<v Speaker 3>Robes, it's there. They're giving themselves an.

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<v Speaker 1>Option to not even condemned domestic violence.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're giving themselves the option until they actually see

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<v Speaker 2>what the court decides. They are giving themselves an option.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's where they are, and they have not at

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<v Speaker 2>all condemned the video.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that is uh. And again I guess if you

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<v Speaker 1>all haven't noticed, as we're sitting here. That has come

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<v Speaker 1>not as news to me necessarily, but I'm just getting

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<v Speaker 1>that realization right now that I had not had before this,

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<v Speaker 1>that they have not done done. So, look, they are

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<v Speaker 1>leaving room rogues. We talk about tens of millions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is that's possibly on the line. What is

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<v Speaker 1>it worth, what's the reputation worth? And time will pass?

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<v Speaker 1>Will it not row? If they survived all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>scandals on this show, they will continue to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>In light of the newly released video just service today,

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<v Speaker 2>we have made the decision to not move forward with

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<v Speaker 2>the new season of The Bachelorette at this time, and

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<v Speaker 2>our focus is on supporting the family.

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<v Speaker 3>Period. That is the only thing that came out of Disney, ABC,

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<v Speaker 3>Hulu period.

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<v Speaker 1>They can do what they want.

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<v Speaker 3>That is done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm okay. They don't have to, they don't need

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand that in the least bit. So they

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<v Speaker 1>have not condemned what we've been talking about this baby,

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<v Speaker 1>Why do we see violence when it's coming from a

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<v Speaker 1>woman towards a man so differently. It's almost bubblegum the

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<v Speaker 1>way it's been treated in these conversations. She went on Gma,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you want to say about this thing, this

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<v Speaker 1>domestic violence thing. Well, you know, it's been kind of heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to get through it. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big sciting time for me. What are we talking about, baby?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're annoyed by that, you, I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got some word about just confused what some of

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<v Speaker 2>the what some of the contestants are considering who were

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<v Speaker 2>going to be featured and showcased on this season twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>But we also heard from the man rumored to be

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<v Speaker 2>the final Rose recipient and from several of the other

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<v Speaker 2>contenty Dougie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Doug Mason, and he said this is what his

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<v Speaker 3>reaction was.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually made a video after the video was released

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<v Speaker 2>and said, I'm just sending out prayers to Taylor because

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<v Speaker 2>that was her moment and her moment was blocked. All

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<v Speaker 2>we can do right now is just be hopeful. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>headed off to run to watch the sunrise. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you guys have a great day and let's stay positive

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<v Speaker 2>and show nothing but support for people in need.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's you should. You should support the people in

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<v Speaker 1>your life that you love, that you know, even when

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<v Speaker 1>they're they've done wrong. And when they're having a hard time. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't disagree with that rooms, but he was the only.

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<v Speaker 2>One who gave a specific shout out of support to Taylor.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of them, obviously the people in their lives

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<v Speaker 2>knew that they were on the show. They couldn't say

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<v Speaker 2>how they did or how far they got, so a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the men were just online saying I'm doing okay,

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<v Speaker 2>hope to share more soon, thanks to everyone who's reached out.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's like, I appreciate everyone reaching out, grateful for the experience.

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<v Speaker 2>So they all kept things The other men who put

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<v Speaker 2>things on social media kept things very generic, very positive,

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<v Speaker 2>very hopeful.

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<v Speaker 3>Doug was the only.

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<v Speaker 2>One who specifically supported and defended in a way Taylor.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, I get her friends and her family.

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<v Speaker 1>They should embrace her, with her arms around her and

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<v Speaker 1>help her. She I'm sure she's having a terrible time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she's feeling awful right now. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just confused. I'm just it's just, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>robes is just and I get it. It's okay. There

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<v Speaker 1>are different rules with different folks with different looks. But

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<v Speaker 1>if Rachel Lindsay had thrown three metal chairs at a

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<v Speaker 1>guy on film. Okay, that's just it. It's nothing you

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<v Speaker 1>can ever does. It's okay, they're different rules, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's happening, and she should be supported. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>other people who who have difficulty and have had difficult

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<v Speaker 1>times don't get. What I am noticing now is Disney

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<v Speaker 1>putting their arms around someone who's domestic abuser. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's because she looks the way she looks. They

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<v Speaker 1>would have put their arms around a man who had

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<v Speaker 1>been accused of anything remotely related to domestic violence. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just I need somebody to say I'm genuinely saying this.

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<v Speaker 1>I want somebody to say to me, TJ, it's different.

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<v Speaker 1>Let us explain why domestic violence is different for man

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<v Speaker 1>different for a woman. Okay, and tell me why because

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<v Speaker 1>of that difference, we as a society and we as

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<v Speaker 1>a company don't mind embracing, holding up, cherishing, helping supporting

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<v Speaker 1>a woman who has been accused of and even has

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<v Speaker 1>a guilty plea having to do with domestic violence. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely robes. I'm not outraged. I'm genuinely trying to understand

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a very difficult story for me to

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<v Speaker 1>get my head around. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and they have obviously made the choices they've made

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<v Speaker 2>so far in their support and slightly distancing themselves but

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<v Speaker 2>leaving room open for the relationship to continue. But there

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<v Speaker 2>is more legal action that could be headed ABC, Disney,

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<v Speaker 2>even Warner Brothers way, because not all of the contestants

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<v Speaker 2>had nice things to say about their experience or at

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<v Speaker 2>least are happy and positive about the turn of events.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're continuing here on Amy and TG. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't get that image out of my head now, Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>Lindsay throwing a chair, right, Rachel, love you, But I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't need that image in my head, of course. Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>Lindsay was the first black bacheloreat Juri herself. My goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>I was twenty sixty. Oh, my goodness, that was such

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<v Speaker 1>a long time ago now, But what's next? World, We

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<v Speaker 1>knew this was probably going to get into the courts

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<v Speaker 1>fairly soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing official yet, nothing official yet, and we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the names. But look, TMZ has broken this story wide

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<v Speaker 2>open from the beginning. They're the ones who got their

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<v Speaker 2>hands on the video, released it and certainly have been

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<v Speaker 2>on top of the reporting. So one of their latest

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<v Speaker 2>reports now says that five of those male contestants who

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<v Speaker 2>were competing for a rose from Taylor are now considering

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<v Speaker 2>you who predicted it legal action against ABC and Warner

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers Discovery that's the company that produces the show, because

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<v Speaker 2>they say some of these.

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<v Speaker 3>Men quit their jobs, they put their lives on.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold in the anticipation and expectation that they would get

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<v Speaker 2>a big boost in visibility, in marketability, in basically an

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<v Speaker 2>ability to make money based on their social media profiles

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<v Speaker 2>by being on this show. They gave up other opportunities,

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<v Speaker 2>They gave up jobs, they gave up whatever livelihood to

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<v Speaker 2>be on the show with an expectation that the show

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<v Speaker 2>would air.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's on you, Pleia. If you came into this

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<v Speaker 1>thinking it was an opportunity for you to make money,

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<v Speaker 1>to gain clout or get more followers, you weren't there

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<v Speaker 1>for the right reason anyway. Some would say, well, TJ,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, that's the only reason people go on reality

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<v Speaker 1>shows now, But why is it? Robes is it? We

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<v Speaker 1>were caught up in it for so long because we

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<v Speaker 1>were at GMA and dealt with it for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we'd be jaded. But it's the opposite for

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<v Speaker 1>me right now, because of this, I am disappointed because

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<v Speaker 1>the show did kind of lend itself to fantasy, to love,

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<v Speaker 1>to possibility, to this adventure of finding love that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of authentic, that everything about her casting flies in

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<v Speaker 1>the face of And now that you let me see

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<v Speaker 1>that last episode of season four of Secret Lives, we

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<v Speaker 1>were bamboozled.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you know, you and I do like watching

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<v Speaker 2>these relationship reality shows ninety Day Fiance, etc. But you're

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<v Speaker 2>actually looking at people and you may question the motives

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<v Speaker 2>of why people want to be with each other, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is a legitimate couple trying to get married. And

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not they're trying to get married to come

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<v Speaker 2>to the United States is something.

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<v Speaker 3>You get to figure out.

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<v Speaker 2>But at least you're watching an authentic situation unfold versus

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<v Speaker 2>a manufactured situation unravel, which is what I think now

0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:27.600
<v Speaker 2>they're looking to try and do in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these shows. Because even Rachel Lindsay, as you mentioned, yes

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<v Speaker 2>she ended up getting divorced recently, but she married, Yes, she.

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<v Speaker 3>Married her final rose guy, Like, this is something that

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<v Speaker 3>we saw, and we have seen plenty. There are babies

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<v Speaker 3>that have been born.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there are even our guy who they ended up

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<v Speaker 1>breaking up, But Matt and Rachel went on for quite

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<v Speaker 1>a while five years ago in that relationship, so it's legit.

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<v Speaker 1>But to your point about these guys, if they're upset

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<v Speaker 1>now they want to sue because hey, the show didn't air,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there might be things in there that they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have an argument there necessarily, come on, you did

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<v Speaker 1>you but nobody told you to quit your job?

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, And I don't think that's going to be an

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<v Speaker 2>argument that could potentially hold up. But the other one

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps could. The other argument is and part of the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why many legal experts believe some of these men

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<v Speaker 2>could sue because they can claim that ABC and Warner

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers put them in an unsafe work environment, aka in

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<v Speaker 2>intimate settings alone with Paul, the fantasy suite, vacations, bringing

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<v Speaker 2>her home to your parents, you know, all of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I read the word intimate, it hit differently.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, a lot of times I don't know what happened

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<v Speaker 2>in this season, but a lot of times the contestant,

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<v Speaker 2>whoever the bachelor or bachelorette is, has sex with these

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<v Speaker 2>men and women. Yes, So now you're assuming you're operating

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<v Speaker 2>under the I think reasonable belief that a company like

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<v Speaker 2>Disney has vetted the person who you are with.

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<v Speaker 1>You put it in their hands. I'm sure you sign

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of shuff they sign the way and waiver

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<v Speaker 1>for this and whatever it may be. But even short

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<v Speaker 1>of robes sex, when you say intimate, we are in

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<v Speaker 1>private settings, I actually have this woman in my home

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<v Speaker 1>with my mother, with my little niece, with who knows

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<v Speaker 1>what it may be. You all allowed me to bring

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<v Speaker 1>this firecracker into my safe setting. That's not fair to them.

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<v Speaker 1>That might be a legitimate argument robes. And also it

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<v Speaker 1>should be noted Rose there's no way, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it has to be the case. These guys, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like they found out, Oh Taylor Frankie Paul is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the new bats threat, let me go sign up.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys didn't have a say in who they were handed.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, the process that wouldn't work if that were

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<v Speaker 2>the case, because then you could see men try to

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<v Speaker 2>manipulate the situation and figure out whether or not they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do it based on who the contestant's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they were they walked into it blind understanding

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<v Speaker 2>that the show is what it is, but also expecting

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<v Speaker 2>that the show was going to hold true to what

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<v Speaker 2>it's bent, which is a show that's trying to find

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship that lasts marriage material.

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<v Speaker 1>And you put me in a situation, in an environment

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<v Speaker 1>alone with a woman who was capable of this without

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<v Speaker 1>getting my okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Who also, as you absolutely knew because Hulu the Crossover.

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<v Speaker 3>Had slept with her ex the night before she came

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<v Speaker 3>on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you only ask you about that? Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>might staying, it might suck.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it matter, Yes, because to me, that says you're

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<v Speaker 2>not serious about the process. And now I've now put

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<v Speaker 2>myself in a situation where I'm supposed to believe that

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<v Speaker 2>this person is ready for love with another.

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<v Speaker 1>As a viewer, as a contestant, As.

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<v Speaker 3>A contestant and a viewer, I think both. I think both.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels really really crappy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's I don't know, in the real world, the

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<v Speaker 1>day before your first date with a new guy that

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<v Speaker 1>you eventually have a relationship with, if the day before

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<v Speaker 1>that date you had hooked up with your ex one

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<v Speaker 1>last time, we don't have any right to it might sting,

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<v Speaker 1>It might suck. But really, when you put in the

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<v Speaker 1>real world, I mean, what right do I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say what you did before we actually met or connected

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<v Speaker 1>or started dating.

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<v Speaker 2>Fine, but you didn't go like It's a little different

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<v Speaker 2>when you're going into a show with the intention of

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<v Speaker 2>finding love and you're still She's saying you're in love

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<v Speaker 2>with your ex.

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<v Speaker 1>She's trying to get it out of her system, get

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<v Speaker 1>it out of the way. But that was hard to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>If you will haven't seen I'm promoting a Disney show now,

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't seen the last episode of season four

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<v Speaker 1>of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, the day leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to her leaving to go to shoot the Bachelorette, and

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<v Speaker 1>then after she gets there, opes that phone call between

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.399
<v Speaker 1>the two of them, right before she gets out in

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<v Speaker 1>front of ABC cameras to take the Bachelorette. You will go, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>they really pulled one over on us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and if yeah, if you want full perspective about

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on, watch that episode from start to finish.

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<v Speaker 3>You will think.

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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee you you will have a very formed opinion

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<v Speaker 2>about Taylor, about Hulu, about Disney, ABC. You will have

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<v Speaker 2>a very formed and informed opinion. Maybe in a way

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<v Speaker 2>you don't now if you haven't seen that last episode.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, her Mormon Wives co stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of them have spoken out. I wanted to get

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<v Speaker 2>out because that was something new as well. Layla Taylor,

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<v Speaker 2>We've actually met her and spoken with her. She's been

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<v Speaker 2>open about abuse in her first marriage on this show,

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<v Speaker 2>so she put up on Instagram when all of this

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<v Speaker 2>came out and the Bachelorette was canceled, she said, my

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<v Speaker 2>personal history as a survivor makes it impossible for me

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<v Speaker 2>to stay silent. I stand firmly against domestic violence in

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<v Speaker 2>any form. I am keeping her children in my thoughts,

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<v Speaker 2>hoping for their safety above all else.

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<v Speaker 3>She went much further than Disney did.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit hard. That was as far it was as was needed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, as a company, it was her friend.

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<v Speaker 1>As a company, we stand against domestic violence.

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<v Speaker 3>Of why would they not have put that disclaimer?

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<v Speaker 2>Every single article, by the way, that you see written

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<v Speaker 2>has a disclaimer about domestic violence. The only thing I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen on this story that doesn't is the statement from

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<v Speaker 2>ABC News.

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<v Speaker 1>Sweetheart, that was a choice. Then tell me why it mattered.

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<v Speaker 1>Help me understand why a company like that, why it mattered.

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<v Speaker 1>What they didn't say now, in their estimation, it was

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<v Speaker 1>smarter to not put it in there. Why is what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm asking.

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<v Speaker 3>Is then they'd have to acknowledge that they left up royally.

0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:54.880
<v Speaker 1>But they can just acknowledge without saying anything domestic violence.

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<v Speaker 1>We stand against domestic violence in any but if you

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<v Speaker 1>say that, then why did you hire it?

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<v Speaker 3>Correct?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really tough and Miranda Miranda Hope also put this

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<v Speaker 2>on her Instagram. She was in the Swinging scandal and

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<v Speaker 2>admitted it with Taylor. She said, I've honestly been a

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<v Speaker 2>little at a loss for words trying to process this all.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything has been really heavy to see everyone likes that

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<v Speaker 3>word heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>Domestic violence and abuse of any kind is something I

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<v Speaker 2>take very seriously as a human and especially a mother.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot support that kind of behavior. My heart is

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<v Speaker 2>with the children, and I hope they're safe, supported and

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<v Speaker 2>surrounded by love.

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<v Speaker 3>So her two co stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Who were friends with her, came out with much stronger language.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, baby, you just blew my mind. Yeah, Disney ABC

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<v Speaker 1>cannot publicly take a stand against domestic violence while also

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<v Speaker 1>supporting her publicly. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all like defending on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh why Yeah, sweetheart, It's not a hard thing to say.

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<v Speaker 1>And everybody's on the same page that domestic violence is bad,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't we.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think we can all collectively say that out.

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<v Speaker 1>They refused to say they made a.

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<v Speaker 3>Choice, because it's not just what they said, it's what

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't say.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think it is all now just landing

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<v Speaker 2>how deliberate that was and how actually scary.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say something stupid right now. It's gonna be stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let me say it. Is there any chance it

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<v Speaker 1>was an oversight? Do we need to leave room for

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<v Speaker 1>They put the statement out and we didn't go through

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<v Speaker 1>it that deeply or take it that seriously, And it

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<v Speaker 1>was just thrown out and they didn't think about it

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<v Speaker 1>as much as we are saying they gave it thought.

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<v Speaker 3>To stand out higher pr team. I don't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Disney will not stand up against domestic violence right now.

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<v Speaker 3>They won't publicly state it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, or they haven't, because if you do that, you

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<v Speaker 1>could never let the show air. Correct Jesus Christ, I

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<v Speaker 1>am naives elle. I am naive as hell. So we

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<v Speaker 1>did not start this episode with me having that light

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<v Speaker 1>bulb moment.

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<v Speaker 3>We watched it all happen. I heard it all happen

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<v Speaker 3>on the microphone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you're like, wait a minute, wait, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, this is landing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now to what you're saying, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when you hear what her co stars had

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<v Speaker 2>to say, it actually kind of brings it home even more.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I don't know what the next thing is. What

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<v Speaker 1>happening on Monday? Something else?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no, she doesn't have a she doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 3>hearing until April seventh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, oh my word. All right, well, folks, what's in place?

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<v Speaker 1>Where they airing? In place?

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<v Speaker 2>On the American Idol rerun runs on Sunday this Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know what happens next Sunday, but I hear they

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<v Speaker 2>might need some content.

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<v Speaker 1>But I hear they have a show just sitting waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to run as soon as she gets clear of this

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<v Speaker 1>latest domestic bio investigation fresh crossed. All right, the folks,

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate you. I am sorry y'all had to go

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<v Speaker 1>along this journey with me of oh wow, that so

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<v Speaker 1>we should have led with that. Why don't you tell

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<v Speaker 1>me ahead of time? Oh my god. They did not

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<v Speaker 1>simply say we're against domestic violence in any form and

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<v Speaker 1>with that, Folks, we appreciate you spending some time with us.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a dumbfounded TJ. Holmes alongside my dear Emmy

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<v Speaker 1>Robot will talk on me alltme