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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My name is Sean Coleman.

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Speaker 1: Hope wherever you arm, wherever you are listening, you're having

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Speaker 1: a great start to your week. But pretty excited about

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Speaker 1: this edition of the Hammer Territory Podcast because it's a

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Speaker 1: crossover episode with the Philly Show and of course both

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Speaker 1: the Philly Show as well as Hammer Territory under the

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Speaker 1: Foul Territory family of podcast and from the Philly Show,

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Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to get to talk with Todd Zeleki,

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Speaker 1: of course, the beat writer for the Phillies for MLB

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Speaker 1: dot com. He is one of the trio of great

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Speaker 1: hosts over at the Philly Show. But Todd, pleasure to

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Speaker 1: talk with you. A lot of fun this weekend seeing

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Speaker 2: It's good to sit.

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Speaker 1: Down and talk about out the series with you this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sean, thanks for having me. I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: It was a it was a great atmosphere this weekend

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Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, just like in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: It was a great atmosphere in Atlanta. Of course, it's

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Speaker 2: always a better atmosphere for the hometown crowd when your

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Speaker 2: when your hometown team is winning. And the Braves stuck

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Speaker 2: it to the Phillies about you know and a half

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Speaker 2: ago or whatever that was. And and the Phillies had

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Speaker 2: But yeah, two two really good teams, rivals. Maybe we

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Speaker 2: see them again in October. We would not would not

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Speaker 2: surprise me at.

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Speaker 1: Least absolutely, And and to your point, it was not

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Speaker 1: surprising it all will jump right in to the series.

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Speaker 1: It was not surprising at all to see a competitive series.

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Speaker 1: I would say Game two the Braves, you know, definitely

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Speaker 1: were the better team. That game Game three the Phillies

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Speaker 1: were the better team. But I think that the defining

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Speaker 1: moments of this series, Todd were games won in games four.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the Phillies win three out of four this series,

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Speaker 1: in a very good position to win the NL East.

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Speaker 1: But the Braves and Brian Snicker said as much, They

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Speaker 1: honestly felt they should have win three out of four

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Speaker 1: two defining moments kind of shined what the big difference

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Speaker 1: Game one, bottom of the sixth inning in Game four.

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Speaker 1: In both instances, the Braves lead their starter in just

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Speaker 1: one bat or two long. Nick Castianos hits the excuse me,

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Speaker 1: Brandon marshas the three run homer in Game one, Castianos

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Speaker 1: hits the game winning homer eventually in the seventh to

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Speaker 1: big hit to end the game. The Phillies making the

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Speaker 1: when the Braves couldn't do the same. That was the

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Speaker 1: defining moments and that's really what helped the Phillies win

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. You know, I would love to

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Speaker 2: know if you could pull Brian Snickers aside and ask him,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Brandon Marsh would have faced faced

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Speaker 2: the sixth thing on Thursday night's game, But yeah, he

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Speaker 2: talking to Brandon marsh after after the game, he said,

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Speaker 2: I was kind of sitting something soft there. I'd feeling

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Speaker 2: And then same thing with Castianos. You know, Nick cast

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you could you could make the argument for sure,

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Speaker 2: two pitches, two decisions, you know, two locations change everything

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Speaker 1: And I think that you bring up a great point.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just the decisions that impact the game.

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Speaker 1: And yes, we talked about it on the latest Hammer

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Speaker 1: But the other thing that stands out, I think if

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Speaker 1: the Phillies. This year, the Phillies had a five ninety

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the offensive firepower. The difference between the offensive firepower

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Speaker 2: I say that fully understanding that it would be a

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Speaker 2: the race would probably look a lot different. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: that losing. You know, the Braves are playing shorthanded. Uh

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Speaker 2: A kunya? Even even Bryce Harper said it, I think

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Speaker 2: been an end game interview actually right on the ESPN

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Speaker 1: And todda I'll get your honest assessment, you know, from

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Speaker 1: your assessment of this Braves team if they were to

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Speaker 1: in the postseason, you know, with confidence, what is your assessment?

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Speaker 1: I feel the Braves can certainly be competitive in any series.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I agree one hundred percent. And we've talked about

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Speaker 2: they're four deep in the rotation, right I mean you

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Speaker 1: Looking now, of course, you know we could talk about

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this team is going to continue to

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Speaker 2: But yet I think that the Citizens Bank Park and

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Speaker 2: I think it might be the pitching. I feel like

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Speaker 1: forward to.

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Speaker 2: When I look at the postseason, I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I think you know, on paper, of course you would

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Speaker 2: say Phillies Dodgers one, two Brewers right there. But the

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Speaker 2: way that the Braves are set up, the way that

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Speaker 2: some of these other teams are set up. It also

437
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Speaker 2: would not surprise me if the five and six seeds

438
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Speaker 2: in the National League, you know, win their wildcard series.

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Speaker 2: They beat up on the teams and the NLDS, and

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Speaker 2: they find themselves facing each other in the NLCS. Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I could see a situation. I could definitely

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Speaker 2: see a situation where the Braves get totally locked down pitching.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, Chris Sale, come on, and Cy Young maybe,

444
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Speaker 2: uh you know, Freed, Schwellenbach, Lopez. They get on a roll.

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Speaker 2: They just steamroll through the first two rounds and you

446
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Speaker 2: know they still have enough firepower in there. Uh you know,

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Speaker 2: you get matt Olsen on a hot streak, you know,

448
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Speaker 2: our ozuna who's been fantastic all season. Those guys pop

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Speaker 2: a couple. I mean, just like just like this week, right,

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Speaker 2: you know Nick Castianos, he only hit like, I think

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Speaker 2: a couple O two pitches, a couple you know, big spots,

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Speaker 2: pop a couple, right, matt Olsen NLDS sixth ending of

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Speaker 2: a game. You can picture it, right, I mean, matt

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Speaker 2: Olsen hits a three run bomb boom, they win three two, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Now they advance to the NLCS or something so I

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Speaker 2: think you could see the I could see the pod

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Speaker 2: Rays and the Braves going deep. I can see the

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Speaker 2: Diamondbacks going deep, you know. So it's I think there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of parody again, you know, and I agree

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Speaker 2: with I've talked to a couple of people recently. There

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Speaker 2: was a scout I was talking to in the press

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Speaker 2: box and Citizens Bank Park and he kind of said

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Speaker 2: what you said, which is, I think from top to bottom,

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Speaker 2: the Phillies have most complete roster in baseball on paper.

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Speaker 2: On paper, they don't play the game on paper. So

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Speaker 2: I think the Phillies have a great, great chance. But

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Speaker 2: they're going to play well in the postseason. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna have to play well. They're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: come up with the big hits, they're going to have

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Speaker 2: to make the big pitches. But I do think there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of parodies. So for like, maybe Braves fans

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Speaker 2: out there who are going, oh man, they're not going

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Speaker 2: to win the Division this year. There's no way they

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Speaker 2: can do it without a Coon. Yeah, there's no way

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Speaker 2: without Riley. How are they possibly going to do it? Ye?

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Speaker 2: They got somehow. The Braves always find a way, and

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Speaker 2: that's something that I think maybe Braves fans might find

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Speaker 2: interesting is is And I mean it's probably not a surprise,

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Speaker 2: I guess so much. But but Phillies fans are just

480
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Speaker 2: always like, man, what is the deal with the Braves? Many?

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Speaker 2: They are they always they always seem to pick up

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Speaker 2: somebody that steps up and does the job. I mean,

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Speaker 2: alex Anthopolis, what is the deal? They claim these guys

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Speaker 2: off of waivers and they always seem to like, you know,

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Speaker 2: do something to to uh to keep them going in

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Speaker 2: the right direction, you know, Orchelle Uh. You know, Maryfield

487
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Speaker 2: did not have a great week in Phillium. Other he did.

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Speaker 2: He did get on base a couple of times and

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Speaker 2: gave the Phillies a little bit some some heart palpitations

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Speaker 2: caused some heart palpitations. Uh, but no doubt, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think I think there's there's there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: teams with a lot of paths to get to the

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Speaker 2: NLCS and have some October fun.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of fun, you know, we we we talk

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Speaker 1: about you know, all these you know, superstars that play

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Speaker 1: for the Braves and in the Phillies. Unfortunately, the Braves

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Speaker 1: are are missing a few, but the Phillies, you know, have.

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Speaker 1: You know, you could make a case they probably have

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Speaker 1: three to five Hall of Famers right now playing for them.

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Speaker 1: But one name that stood out this weekend that had

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Speaker 1: stood out over the past couple of seasons for the

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Speaker 1: Phillies versus the Braves. I know, when he typically hits

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Speaker 1: a home run, it's usually connected with the lessonn ideal

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Speaker 1: situation happening around the world. But Nick Castiano's hit big

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Speaker 1: home run after big home run in the playoff series

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. He delivered the big hits in

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Speaker 1: this series this year, I or this weekend. I know

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Speaker 1: that he has not had the best of seasons, but

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Speaker 1: it seems like he's lining up again. Todd to be

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Speaker 1: an X factor for the Phillies, please confirm that in

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Speaker 1: a moment, I feel that the Braves on their side

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Speaker 1: of things. You know, we need Marcelo Zuna, We need

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Speaker 1: Matt Olsen to be their MVP level capable sales. We

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Speaker 1: obviously need our pitching.

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Speaker 2: To me.

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Speaker 1: Jorge Celaire and Michael Harris are a couple of guys who,

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Speaker 1: if they at the top of the order, can set

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Speaker 1: the table and also include some Powerge Celaire's especially like

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Speaker 1: he did in twenty twenty one. Him being that type

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Speaker 1: of X factor I think would be huge for the Braves.

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Speaker 1: But is Nick Castianos that X factor that as good

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Speaker 1: as the Phillies are, that extra level of having that

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Speaker 1: one additional guy who can get that big power hit

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Speaker 1: when you need it that could just separate cheap for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the pack. Is he that X factor

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Speaker 1: or does somebody else stand out to you that could

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Speaker 1: unexpectedly be a huge, huge benefit to the Phillies run

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Speaker 1: this postseason, during the home stretch in this postseason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could say say Nick is that

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Speaker 2: X factor because like, look at look at this week.

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Speaker 2: You know, Bryce Harper had a pretty good week this week,

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Speaker 2: but Kyle Schwarber's really have been in a funk alec bom.

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Speaker 2: You know, he basically killed what three innings the entire

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Speaker 2: ses the entire series with a bad hand that he

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Speaker 2: kind of heard on a swing in this series opener. Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, Trey Turner has been okay recently, But when

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Speaker 2: those guys are struggling or down and then you still

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Speaker 2: have Nick cast down, I was heading fourth or fifth

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Speaker 2: in the lineup, sixth in the lineup, it can go

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Speaker 2: a long way, and you know Nick Nick got off

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Speaker 2: to a terrible, terrible start. But when he is locked

542
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Speaker 2: in and he's feeling good at the place, he's you know,

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Speaker 2: we talked but on our show, he's kind of he's

544
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Speaker 2: such a field guy. If he feels good at the plate,

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Speaker 2: you know, he tends to have a lot of success.

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Speaker 2: So you know, this week there's in a bat against

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Speaker 2: Justin Verlander earlier last week, earlier last week, where he

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Speaker 2: was down oh one, Verlander threw him a fastball and

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Speaker 2: he says, well, you know what, I had a feeling

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Speaker 2: Nick was sitting curveball, and I don't know why I

551
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Speaker 2: did it. I wish I could go back in time.

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Speaker 2: I ended up throwing him a breaking ball, and sure

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Speaker 2: enough and Nick Nick sat was sitting on it, hit it,

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Speaker 2: hit it for three run home run. And Nick's had

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Speaker 2: those moments. So when Nick is going well, it really

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Speaker 2: lengthens this lineup, and it also provides you a nice

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Speaker 2: insurance policy. Like I said, if those first few guys

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Speaker 2: in the lineup are struggling like Schwarber has been, like

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Speaker 2: with bowmout, with Bryce Harper's power not being there, with

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Speaker 2: an elbow and wrist issue, that he's been battling with recently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and another, you know, couple of names for the Braves.

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Speaker 1: To your point, in terms of a play, in terms

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Speaker 1: of a position in the lineup that could extend the order.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen Travis Darnaut have big moments all

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Speaker 1: season long. Sean Murphy has he had a big game

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Speaker 1: in Game two against the Phillies in this weekend series.

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Speaker 1: If he could deliver that catcher position for the Braves,

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Speaker 1: if it could be among the best in the majors

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Speaker 1: moving forward, that could be a big thing for Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: But Todd, as we're wrapping up this a crossover edition

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Speaker 1: of The Hammer Territory and The Phillies Show podcast under

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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory family of podcasts, Todd a couple of quick,

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Speaker 1: just you know, lightning round questions for you when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the postseason. Is there a potential pitching matchup

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Speaker 1: you're looking more forward to than Chris Sail versus Zach Wheeler. Oh?

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Speaker 2: No, I would absolutely love that. I mean, that would

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Speaker 2: be the story of baseball, I've got to think, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, not only because they're two great pictures, because

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Speaker 2: they're two great big game pitchers, and because depending on

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Speaker 2: how this this rest, how the month of September goes,

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Speaker 2: you might literally be saying, who which one of these

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Speaker 2: two guys is going to be named the nlcy Young

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Speaker 2: in November? And like I said, I think Chris Sale

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Speaker 2: is a favorite right now, but with a verally strong month,

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Speaker 2: maybe Zach Wheeler can kind of make it more of

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Speaker 2: a coin flip situation. But man, how much fun would

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Speaker 2: that be? You know, especially like you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: know about you, Sean, but like I when I think

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Speaker 2: of like postseason baseball, I one of the things I

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Speaker 2: love are those And I know fans and if it's

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Speaker 2: during the middle of the week, they hate it, right

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Speaker 2: if your team is playing like a three o'clock start

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Speaker 2: or one o'clock start or four o'clock start. But man,

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Speaker 2: do I love October baseball when the sun's out and

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Speaker 2: the weather's a little bit cool? Can you? I managine?

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Speaker 2: I mean, how much fun would it be the sun

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Speaker 2: is out, the air is crisp, and Chris Sale is

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Speaker 2: on the mound against Zach Wheeler for Game one of

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Speaker 2: the NLDS or who knows, maybe it's Game one of

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Speaker 2: the NL Wildcard Series. The Phillies don't you know, finish

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Speaker 2: with the top two seeds. That would be uh blast.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely who the two likely arms that are going to

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Speaker 1: finish one and two in the cy Young Award. I

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Speaker 1: believe both of them have previously finished second in the

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Speaker 1: Cy Young Awarded sailback in you know, the middle of

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Speaker 1: last second. I believe he may have finished that high

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Speaker 1: we learned twenty twenty one. But either one of them

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Speaker 1: are likely going to finish at or higher than they

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Speaker 1: ever have before in the Cy Young Race. So a

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Speaker 1: match up between them would be absolutely outstanding. The other

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Speaker 1: factor in this is that you're going to see so

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Speaker 1: many good starting pitchers in the National League set up,

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Speaker 1: you know, for the playoffs, Todd, But let's talk about bullpens.

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, coming into this series, I

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Speaker 1: feel that the Braves and Phillies both you know, had

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Speaker 1: two of the better bullpens in baseball. You can certainly

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Speaker 1: make the case that the bullpen for the Phillies did

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Speaker 1: a bit better job than the Braves in this series.

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Speaker 1: Going into the playoffs and then this home stretch, where

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Speaker 1: do you feel that these two bullpens rank among the

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Speaker 1: National League I could put them one too easily. I

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Speaker 1: could understand if another bullpen may, you know, especially with

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Speaker 1: what the Padres did at the trade deadline to add

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Speaker 1: to theirs. But how much of a strength do you

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Speaker 1: fill the bullpen is? And how important do you think

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Speaker 1: it'll be to the success for both the Phillies and

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Speaker 1: the Braves during this home stretch as well as the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could put the you know you

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Speaker 2: would you would put the Braves and Phillies right near

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Speaker 2: the top. Yeah, you mentioned the Pottery's everybody's been raving

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Speaker 2: about the moves that they made before the trade deadline

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Speaker 2: and to give them, you know, a couple extra weapons.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Russell Iglesiast at the top there of

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Speaker 2: course for the Braves, Carloso Steves at the top for

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Speaker 2: the Phillies. Both really good closers, super accomplished closers. That

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Speaker 2: would be a lot of fun. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: that is so important going to the postseason. I mentioned,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Braves getting into the postseason and have

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Speaker 2: it being four starters to you know, and then with

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Speaker 2: Charlie Morton, I guess I would put him as the

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Speaker 2: number five. But in the postseason, teams are so much

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Speaker 2: more aggressive with how they deploy their bullpens. You know,

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Speaker 2: the first sign of trouble in the fifth inning, you're

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Speaker 2: going to see somebody cruising along and and uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, for instance, the at bat the other night

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Speaker 2: against when when when when Morton faced Brandon Marsh. I

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Speaker 2: don't not that necessarily Morton would be pitching in the postseason,

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Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying, Brian Snicker, I think

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Speaker 2: would be more likely to go to the bullpen at

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Speaker 2: that moment and deploy one of his top relievers to

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Speaker 2: get the best matchup possible. So if you have good

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Speaker 2: starting pitching, and you have a good bullpen that you

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Speaker 2: can use and deploy early, and you feel like you

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Speaker 2: have some depths there where you can cover three four innings, man,

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Speaker 2: that is such a huge advantage. So that would be

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Speaker 2: another little kind of little wrinkle. And for the Braves

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Speaker 2: and for the Phillies in the postseason is getting those

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Speaker 2: getting those bullpens involved, because they can shut it down.

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Speaker 2: They can shut it down and pitching more often than not,

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Speaker 2: we'll win.

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Speaker 1: Todd. Last question, Who's going to hit the longest home

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Speaker 1: run at Citizens Part this postseason?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, I would you know what I have to

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Speaker 2: go This is a not a cop out, I guess.

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Speaker 2: But Kyle Schwarber hit the longest home run I've ever

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Speaker 2: seen hit in my entire life, and that was at

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Speaker 2: Petco Park in the twenty twenty two n LCS. He

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Speaker 2: went in the second deck and right field off of

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Speaker 2: U Dar which was like four hundred and seventy feet

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Speaker 2: as one of the longest home runs, I mean, the

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Speaker 2: longest home run I've ever seen hit in person. So

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Speaker 2: I think if Kyle Schwarber is on, he can crush

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Speaker 2: the ball unlike anybody I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go with Kyle Schwarber. But for fun purposes,

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Speaker 2: it would be fun to see Orlando or Sea hit

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Speaker 2: a home run in Philadelphia because I think that would

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Speaker 2: be if these two teams meet, because that would make

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Speaker 2: a gift. That would be a great, great reaction in

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Speaker 2: a lot of ways. One, you don't know what our

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Speaker 2: c is gonna do when you look at Bryce Harper

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Speaker 2: again when you do something fun, but you know the

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Speaker 2: boozer would come running down, so he would not hit

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Speaker 2: the farthest, but I think he would make for a

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Speaker 2: great story. So Schwarber longest Arcia great storyline, and that

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Speaker 2: would be a lot of That would be a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun.

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Speaker 1: Todd, there's nothing to do with you, But I gotta

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Speaker 1: admit it was a trick question. The answer to the

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Speaker 1: question was going to be Jorge Cilaire hitting the game

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Speaker 1: home run in the game that eliminated the Phillies from

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and Citizens Bank Park. That's a hope. That's

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Speaker 1: more of a spoil that's more of a hope that

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Speaker 1: a spoiler alert. But all kidding aside, Todd, with all

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Speaker 1: due respect, I do hope the Braves pay the Phillies

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Speaker 1: back this year for the past couple of seasons. But

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Speaker 1: I do feel that it was very fun to be

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Speaker 1: able to talk with you about this series and just

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Speaker 1: get some you know, perspective, you know, from my side

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Speaker 1: to the Phillies, from your side to the Braves, and

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Speaker 1: as we know, both organizations, Spiel there's nothing but respect

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Speaker 1: and acknowledgment that these have been two of the best

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Speaker 1: teams in baseball over the past few years. Again, I

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Speaker 1: think both of them, if they're in the playoffs, nobody

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Speaker 1: will want to face them, And if they do want

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Speaker 1: to facing each other, it should be a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun and it's also been a lot of fun getting

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Speaker 1: to talk with you and your perspective, as will any

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Speaker 1: of the thoughts as we close out this crossover edition

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Speaker 1: of the Hamber Territory Podcast in the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just yeah, it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that we're part of the foul Territory family.

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Speaker 2: We're excited to be part of it, and I am

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Speaker 2: really looking forward to to the postseason this year. I've

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Speaker 2: been covering the Philly since two thousand and three. It's

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Speaker 2: always fun to cover a winner. But I just I

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Speaker 2: just really love how every moment in the postseason is

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Speaker 2: so magnified, right, I mean every pitch. You know, this

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Speaker 2: guy through him a one to two slider and he

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Speaker 2: missed his spot, and that changed the course of a series,

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Speaker 2: a season, and it changes people's lives in a lot

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Speaker 2: of ways, right. I Mean, you know, if the Braves,

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Speaker 2: you know, come in and they upset the Phillies, for instance,

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Speaker 2: and maybe they carry that to the World Series, and

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Speaker 2: you could you'll be able to look back ten years

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Speaker 2: from now and go that one pitch that Aaronola threw

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Speaker 2: to Jorge Celaire in that one moment changed everything, or

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Speaker 2: or conversely, right, I mean Nick Castiano's hit a two

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Speaker 2: to two slider from so and so to knock the

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Speaker 2: Braves out, and that carried them to the World Series

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Speaker 2: and a parade down Broad Street. So that to me

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Speaker 2: is the most fun part. So I'm really looking forward

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Speaker 2: to it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and Todd, if the situation presented itself, would love

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Speaker 1: to definitely pair back up with you again and maybe

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Speaker 1: talk a little postseason baseball. But for those on the

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Speaker 1: Hammer Territory side listening to this show, make sure to

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Speaker 1: follow Todd on social media at Todd Zeleki on x

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Speaker 1: and Todd, I'll give you a chance to promote yourself

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Speaker 1: as well. But Todd, as he mentioned, phillis beatbrider for

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Speaker 1: now two decades. He also does the Phillies Beat newsletter,

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Speaker 1: part of the great crew that hosts The Philly Show,

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Speaker 1: and author of the book doc The Life of Roy Holiday.

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Speaker 1: I know that many and the Braves fan base are

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Speaker 1: just general fans of baseball, so certainly check that out.

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Speaker 1: But Todd, anything else you'd like to add, as we

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Speaker 1: in this edition of The Hammer Territory Philly Show Crossover.

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Speaker 2: No, I appreciate it. It was great. Yeah, I had a

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Speaker 2: lot of fun. You know. Uh, it's it's uh, we've

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Speaker 2: had We've had a lot of fun on our show.

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Speaker 2: I know, you guys are doing a great job on

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Speaker 2: your show. I mean when when we started talking with

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Speaker 2: the guys that fouled Territory, they they were raving about

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Speaker 2: you and under understandably so so we're excited that, like

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Speaker 2: I said, we're we're working with you guys indirectly. I guess, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, but this is this is great and hopefully yeah,

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Speaker 2: we can hook up again in the postseason. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: And then like I said, if Phillies fans have been going, uh,

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Speaker 2: here come the Braiks, here come the Braise, I'm telling

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Speaker 2: you that will be a vibe in Philly. Uh. If

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Speaker 2: these two teams.

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Speaker 1: Meet, absolutely, and it'll be a lot of fun to see.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a great thing about cheering for teams that

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Speaker 1: right now are in the midst of some of the

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Speaker 1: best stretch of baseball that they played. You know, in decades.

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Speaker 1: You always get these fun matchups. But for Todd's a

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Speaker 1: Thank you for enjoying this crossover edition of the Hammer

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Speaker 1: Territory in Philly Show. I've got to say this, go Braves,

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Speaker 1: but a no Todd, which say go Phillies as well.

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Speaker 1: Until next time from both shows, We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: again soon