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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Welcome to Breaking Points. A little bit

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Speaker 2: of a different show today. So first and most obviously,

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Speaker 2: just me in the studio. Saber is out. However, Ryan

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Speaker 2: is going to be joining me shortly for a series

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Speaker 2: of two interviews, and that is the other thing that

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Speaker 2: is going to be different about the show today. The

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Speaker 2: so here's the backstory. You guys will recall that we

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Speaker 2: have now interviewed twice on this show. JHF whistleblower, former

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Speaker 2: Green Beret Anthony Aguilar. One of the key claims that

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Speaker 2: he made when he spoke with us and with other

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Speaker 2: news outlets is that he witnessed while he was working

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Speaker 2: as a GHF contractor, he witnessed the killing of a

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Speaker 2: young boy that he had interacted with, a boy who

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Speaker 2: he called Amir. That claim is now being contested by

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Speaker 2: GHF through a Fox News digital article and also an

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Speaker 2: we are also going to talk to a spokesman from GHF,

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Speaker 2: about his claims with regard to Amir, and we have

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Speaker 2: a whole host of other questions. As you can imagine that,

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Speaker 2: we want to ask him about GHF and his operations.

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Speaker 2: We think it's really critical to get a lot of

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Speaker 2: Aguilar again as well. But recall, our taxpayer dollars are

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Speaker 2: important to understand where does their funding come from. In totality,

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Speaker 2: some of it comes from us. Where does the rest

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Speaker 2: And as we all know because we've covered here, we've

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Speaker 2: seen news reports and eyewitness testimony, We've talked to doctors

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Speaker 2: who said the same that over two thousand Palestinians have

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Speaker 2: in addition to getting to the bottom as best we

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Speaker 2: We ask them please share the biometric data that you

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Speaker 2: with regard to the claims specifically regarding a Mir because

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Speaker 2: in the Fox News article they claimed that Amir's identity

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Speaker 2: Specifically, we would like clarification on which biometric process was used,

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Speaker 2: GHF replied to us, we used biometrics including facial recognition,

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Speaker 2: in their words, false accusations that mister Aguilar.

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Speaker 2: In addition, I would suggest visiting the link that includes

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Speaker 2: Who watched our original interview with mister Aguilar, you'll recall

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Speaker 2: clarifying which specific governments, including but not limited to, the

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Speaker 2: because I don't know how closely you've been following the story,

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Speaker 2: We asked you, as you have previously granted certain journalists

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Speaker 2: verify many of the statements you have made and to

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Speaker 2: address Aguilar's claims. The backstory here, guys is you know,

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Speaker 2: other independent journalists as well. GHF replies, there's been zero

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Speaker 2: planning to begin mbads with US, European and other international press,

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Speaker 4: Chape and Fay, welcome, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: as well as you know, we previously hosted GHF whistleblower

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Speaker 2: Anthony Aguilar on our show. He made a claim that

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Speaker 5: Sure well, thanks for having me to talk about this.

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Speaker 5: Sure, so, our sites are monitored by video twenty four

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Speaker 2: Tapen that that claim has been disputed by the AP

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Speaker 2: They interviewed I believe, two separate GHF contractors anonymously and

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Speaker 5: So we adhered to all fourment and principles, and much

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Speaker 2: Doesn't that seem that seems like an easy way to though,

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Speaker 5: Sure, I'm I mean, it has been proven, and we

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Speaker 2: This is again from an AP report. They spoke with

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Speaker 2: GHF contractors who said their colleagues regularly loves dune grenades

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Speaker 2: and pepper spray in the direction of Palestinians. One contractor

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Speaker 2: said bullets were fired in all directions in the air

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Speaker 2: into the ground, at times toward the Palestinians were calling

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Speaker 2: at least one instance where he thought someone had been hit.

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Speaker 2: And these allegations, as given to the AP, were backed

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Speaker 2: up and corroborated by this video, in which you can

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Speaker 2: hear American accented GHF contractors. You can hear nearby bullets

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Speaker 2: and them celebrating saying I think he got one of them,

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Speaker 2: and someone saying, hell yeah, boy, this is C six

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Speaker 2: control room.

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Speaker 4: If we could please play this.

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Speaker 7: Armed American security contractors at one of the sites discussed

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Speaker 7: how to disperse Palestinians.

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Speaker 5: Nearby there aggressive.

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Speaker 7: At that moment, bursts of gunfire are ruped close by

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Speaker 7: at least fifteen shots. The camera's view is obscured by

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Speaker 7: a large dirt mount. The contractor who took the video

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Speaker 7: told ap that he saw other contractors shooting in the

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Speaker 7: direction of Palestinians who had just collected their food and

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Speaker 7: were departing.

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Speaker 2: So Chapin, does this not corroborate the allegation that GHF

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Speaker 2: contractors are using live ammunition on or near the sites.

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Speaker 5: So it's just the fact that they never have and

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Speaker 5: you can see in them, but you can see all

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Speaker 5: of the American contractors. There are no American contractors outside

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Speaker 5: that site. So any fire that you hear is from

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Speaker 5: the IDF, who, by the way, does use live fire

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Speaker 5: for crowd control purposes, which we have pushed them often

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Speaker 5: to be safer and more securely. American military does not train.

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Speaker 5: It's uh, it's it's a personnel to use lethal force

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Speaker 5: for crowd control. It's not last on a list of tactics.

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Speaker 5: It's just not on the tactics. So our our men

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Speaker 5: and women who are security personnel or men, they do

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Speaker 5: not use live fire for crowd control purposes.

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Speaker 4: Right that Hell, yeah, boy, that was an IDF soldier.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I wasn't there, but you can see

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Speaker 5: clearly from the site that the you know, the guys

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Speaker 5: who are casually walking around, those are our security personnel

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Speaker 5: and they're looking outside the site. And if that's the

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Speaker 5: site that I think it is, the AID seekers are

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Speaker 5: actually more than a kilometer away waiting to come in.

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Speaker 5: It is a long road in and there is no

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Speaker 5: IDF on that particular road. What the IDEF does is

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Speaker 5: let thousands of godsms behind their lines into our sites,

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Speaker 5: which again is unique for an army. I don't know

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Speaker 5: that the US military would ever do that, but no,

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Speaker 5: we have never fired anyone.

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Speaker 6: Just to pick up on Crystal's point, the Gods and

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Speaker 6: Ministry of Health Night reports at fourteen more Palestinians were

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Speaker 6: killed at AID sites and eighty five were injured. We're

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Speaker 6: still getting details about this latest mascer, but to her

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Speaker 6: point about the video surveillance. You said you have twenty

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Speaker 6: four hour video monitoring of this seems like the easiest

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Speaker 6: way to clear this up would just be to release

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Speaker 6: the tapes to the media or to a neutral third party.

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Speaker 6: If it's not the contractors and it's the IDF that's

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Speaker 6: doing the shooting, that will be apparent in the videos,

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Speaker 6: like are the videos being stored and is there an

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Speaker 6: inspector general? Is there an international body, is there a

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Speaker 6: national body? Is there a neutral news organization that you

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Speaker 6: feel that you could release this too, because every single

499
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Speaker 6: day there are new reports about maskers at AID sites

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Speaker 6: almost and the way to dispel it would be to

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Speaker 6: release these tapes.

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Speaker 5: All right, So again it's a little bit more complicated

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Speaker 5: than that. This is an ongoing war and there is

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Speaker 5: a mass threat. Our people have been docksed.

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Speaker 6: Right, you're behind IDF lines, you said you're behind them.

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Speaker 5: If lines, yes, that doesn't mean the threat is zero, right,

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Speaker 5: there was a The IDEF had to take out a threat.

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Speaker 2: And understand how that relates to releasing videos to a

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Speaker 2: neutral journalist or an independent third party.

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Speaker 5: Because HAMAS is studying what we do, they are often

511
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Speaker 5: on our site taking pictures of people and processes and

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Speaker 5: learning so that they can presumably create the ley.

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Speaker 2: We're not talking about releasing it to months. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about releasing it to an independent journalist or third party

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Speaker 2: so that they can verify well.

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Speaker 5: I would just say that it's again, it's more complicated

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Speaker 5: than that. We have people's on our team's addresses and

518
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Speaker 5: full names being printed in legitimate media outlets for no

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Speaker 5: other reason. There's no journalistic reason to print people's addresses

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Speaker 5: and where people are staying in Israel, which has happened.

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Speaker 5: We had a humanitarian guy, a man who has spent

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Speaker 5: his entire life working for USAID, mostly in the Middle

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Speaker 5: East and Africa, helping people and doing humanitarian AID work,

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Speaker 5: did a press briefing to describe what our humanitarian efforts

525
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Speaker 5: were like uh, and immediately his name was printed. Reporters

526
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Speaker 5: were calling his language teachers to find out information about him,

527
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Speaker 5: not for journalistic reasons, but to print where he's staying

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Speaker 5: in Israel, and he now is being protested in His

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Speaker 5: safety and security are in jeopardy. That's happening to our

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Speaker 5: leadership in America, to Diaga, They're trying to do people

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Speaker 5: right now. He's giving out operations.

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Speaker 2: No independent journalists that you trust to review this footage.

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Speaker 4: They're all with the moss.

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Speaker 5: It's well you yourself. Your colleague just cited the gods

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Speaker 5: of Ministry of Health, that is a HAMAS agency. They

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Speaker 5: do not distinguish between combatants and civilians, and we just

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Speaker 5: learned they do.

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Speaker 2: Not who view those death statistics actually believe that they're

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Speaker 2: an undercount if you don't trust their statistics. However, we

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Speaker 2: could take a listen to what the UK head of

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Speaker 2: MSAF or Doctors Without Borders has to say about what

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Speaker 2: their doctors in the field are being around your aid distributions.

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Speaker 2: And Ryan and I have both individually spoken with doctors

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Speaker 2: American doctors who have gone into gaz and come out

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Speaker 2: and say that every time there is an AID distribution

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Speaker 2: at one of your sites, they end up with a

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Speaker 2: mass casualty event at the hospital.

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Speaker 4: So guys, this is B five. If we could go ahead.

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Speaker 2: And play for chapin what the head of the Doctors

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Speaker 2: Without Borders UK has to say about how this aid

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Speaker 2: distribution is going.

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Speaker 8: Your conclusion very clearly reading it is that it's been disastrous.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, and I think it's been disastrous by design. So

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Speaker 9: our report just covers two health centers, so two primary

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Speaker 9: care centers are not designed to deal with trauma cases really,

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Speaker 9: particularly down in the south of the Gaza Strip in Rafa,

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Speaker 9: and over the last seven weeks, so it only covers

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Speaker 9: a period of seven weeks. It only covers two of

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Speaker 9: the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation sites, but those two all health

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Speaker 9: centers have received one thousand, three hundred and eighty cases

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Speaker 9: of people who are casualties at the Gaza Humanitarian.

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Speaker 5: Clinics, just those two clinics.

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Speaker 9: So we know it's a drop in the ocean, because

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Speaker 9: we know that many other people are not coming to

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Speaker 9: the clinics, they're going to other hospitals or other locations.

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Speaker 9: But in our two clinics, one thousand, three hundred and

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Speaker 9: eighty casualties, of which one hundred and seventy four had

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Speaker 9: been shot, and that included also twenty eight dead bodies,

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Speaker 9: so that's a huge number of people and many children

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Speaker 9: amongst them. So about twenty percent of the cases with children,

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Speaker 9: including twenty percent of the people who've been shot.

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Speaker 5: We had cases such as.

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Speaker 9: You know, an eight year old shot through the chest

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Speaker 9: and a twelve year old shot through the stomach, and

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Speaker 9: they all you know, the casualties all described the sort

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Speaker 9: of same scenario of becoming of going to seek food,

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Speaker 9: of starving going to seek food. That's the only place

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Speaker 9: now in Gaza where you can try and access food.

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Speaker 9: You essentially have no choice. You either stay home and

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Speaker 9: starve to death, you go to one of these sites

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Speaker 9: to try and access some food, and they were then

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Speaker 9: either shot or they were injured in the chaos and

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Speaker 9: the stampedes that happen around those sites.

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Speaker 2: So Javan, let's say we take your word for it

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Speaker 2: that none of these deaths are happening on the sites.

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Speaker 2: They're all done by the IDF, either when people are

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Speaker 2: transitting to or from the sites. As a humanitarian organization,

588
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Speaker 2: you're not just responsible for distributing aid, but also for

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Speaker 2: helping to ensure the logistics and safety of people who

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Speaker 2: are trying to receive that aid. So don't you bear

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Speaker 2: some responsibility for the recurring near daily aid massacres that

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Speaker 2: are being reported on in the press, that Palestinians are

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Speaker 2: attesting to and that doctors are attesting to as well.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm glad you brought that up. I'll address the

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Speaker 5: first false things she said, which was the last thing

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Speaker 5: she said that we are the only aid organization operating.

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Speaker 5: That is one hundred percent false. The United Nations is operating,

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Speaker 5: is trying to move aid into got further into Gaza,

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Speaker 5: and they are unable to do it right. They moved

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Speaker 5: in the month of August. They had almost they had

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Speaker 5: around I think eleven hundred trucks that they brought across

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Speaker 5: the border into Gaza, and ninety three point five percent

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Speaker 5: of them were diverted by presumably Hamas or others. You

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Speaker 5: could also see online all over social media. I just

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Speaker 5: have to correct you your own website.

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Speaker 2: I just have to correct you on one thing there.

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Speaker 2: You know, The New York Times reported that, according to

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Speaker 2: Israeli military officials, so not AMAS is rarely military officials,

609
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Speaker 2: there is zero evidence of systematic looting of aid. Now,

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Speaker 2: what I will grant you is happening is that you

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Speaker 2: have mass starvation in the Gaza strip, including since your

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Speaker 2: organization began operating, which seems like an indictment of the

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Speaker 2: efficacy of what you're doing there. But you do have

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Speaker 2: a lot of desperate people who are at times climbing

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Speaker 2: on trucks and trying to take the aid out of

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Speaker 2: sheer starvation and desperation, There's no.

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Speaker 4: Doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: The solution to that is allowing vastly more aid in

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Speaker 2: and having type of system that the UE was previously running,

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Speaker 2: where they had some four hundred distribution sites versus the

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Speaker 2: four that your organization runs.

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Speaker 5: Right, But if the United Nations wanted to have open

623
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Speaker 5: four hundred distribution sites right now, they could chapin.

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Speaker 2: They are they are borders to Gaza. Who controls the

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Speaker 2: borders to Gaza?

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Speaker 5: Where where are these trucks going?

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Speaker 2: Control the BORDERSA? Is it the UN who controls.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about inside Gaza? What does the border have

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Speaker 5: to do with that? We're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Trucks into Gaza? Is it the UN?

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Speaker 5: No, it's the UN. Did not deliver, did not bring

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Speaker 5: in eleven hundred trucks of the month of August. That's

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Speaker 5: what you're telling me.

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Speaker 2: You're telling me they're run telling you that the trus

635
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying, what I'm asserting, which is what has

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Speaker 2: been reported not just by the UN but by any

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Speaker 2: number of media outlets by United States senators who have

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Speaker 2: visited the region, that the amount of aid that enters

639
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Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip is a direct function of what the

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Speaker 2: Israelis decide are going to go in, and we've had

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Speaker 2: announcements from the Israelis in the past where they were

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Speaker 2: going to block effectively all LAID from coming in. And

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Speaker 2: your organization has been set up effectively as a replacements

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Speaker 2: previously existing through UN distrust true system.

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Speaker 5: The UN is currently trying to distribute aid, moving hundreds

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Speaker 5: of trucks across the border a day. They just have

647
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Speaker 5: a problem with being able to do it. That's just

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Speaker 5: one hundred percent what you said is not true. The

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Speaker 5: United Nations is operating as we are. We were never

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Speaker 5: meant to replace the UN. We agree, I will one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent agree with you right now. Four sites is

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Speaker 5: not enough. We were meant to have eight sites. We

653
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Speaker 5: were meant to be one small part of a much broader,

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Speaker 5: more complex solution to one of the most complex humanitarian

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Speaker 5: crisis on planet Earth. And if the United Nations, which

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Speaker 5: we have an open offer to collaborate with, would collaborate

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Speaker 5: with us, imagine how many more people we can Let me.

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Speaker 2: Give you, let me give you, let me give you

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Speaker 2: some specific I'll get Ryan in here.

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Speaker 4: So this is d nine guys.

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Speaker 2: Just to make it really clear, the dynamics because it

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Speaker 2: is true Israel is allowing some trucks from the UN

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Speaker 2: in at this point between the six and twelfth of August,

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Speaker 2: so this is roughly a month ago. Humanitarians made eighty

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Speaker 2: one attempts to coordinate plan movements with Israeli authorities, including

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Speaker 2: transfer fuel and personnel. Of this number, thirty five were facilitated,

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Speaker 2: twenty nine initially approved, then impeded on the ground, twelve

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Speaker 2: were denied, and five had to be withdrawn by the organizers.

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Speaker 4: So that's the reality of.

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Speaker 2: What the UN is dealing with here, and that's why

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Speaker 2: I say the number of trucks ortal are allowed to

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Speaker 2: come in directly relate to what the Israelis decide they

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Speaker 2: want to allow. Let me go ahead and get Ryan

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Speaker 2: in here, because I've been sort of dominating.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, well no, just to add context with what Crystal's

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Speaker 6: saying there, and you know the history there. On March second,

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Speaker 6: the Israeli government blocked all humanitarian and medical aid food

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Speaker 6: and medicine into Gaza. That lasted for almost two months.

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Speaker 6: Israel argued that the reason that they did that was

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Speaker 6: that at these four hundred distribution sites, Hamas was getting

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Speaker 6: access to the food and that was a problem for

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Speaker 6: the Israeli war effort is the problem for the Palestinian

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Speaker 6: civilians inside Gaza. So they said, we're going to redesign it.

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Speaker 6: So we're going to have only four aid sites that

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Speaker 6: are many kilometers away from population centers, and they're going

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Speaker 6: to be behind IDF lines so that Hamas cannot steal

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Speaker 6: the aid. And so then they reopened aid through these

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Speaker 6: four systems. So are you saying that your understanding from

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Speaker 6: the Israeli government is that if the UN and other

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Speaker 6: humanitarian aid organizations wanted to open up four hundred aid

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Speaker 6: sites tomorrow and get an influx of trucks in, that

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Speaker 6: they would be able to do that, and that Israel

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Speaker 6: is not standing away because famine was declared on August

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Speaker 6: twenty second. Since then, there's been an average of eleven

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Speaker 6: trucks a day allowed into Gaza that since the famine

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Speaker 6: was declared. And so are you saying that what you

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Speaker 6: have heard from Israeli authorities is that they would allow

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Speaker 6: unimpeded aid and they would allow the humanitarian aid groups

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Speaker 6: to open those four hundred sites.

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Speaker 5: Again, what I'm telling you is the month of August,

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Speaker 5: the UN moved a whole eleven hundred trucks into Gaza,

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 6: And because the UN didn't want to deliver the trucks

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Speaker 6: are because Israel was blocking the trucks from entering and

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Speaker 6: closing the distribution sites because they said Hamas was controlling

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Speaker 6: these distribution sites.

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Speaker 5: The United Nations distributed and moved eleven hundred trucks. I

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Speaker 5: believe that's the number. I could be wrong exactly the number.

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Speaker 5: It's over a thousand trucks in the month of August

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Speaker 5: went to the border into Gaza.

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Speaker 6: Oh are you saying that's a You're saying that's a.

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Speaker 5: Website.

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Speaker 6: You can say there's thirty one days in August, six

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Speaker 6: hundred the minimum of six hundred trucks a day is needed,

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Speaker 6: saying that they did less than two days worth of

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Speaker 6: what's needed.

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Speaker 5: It is a good thing that trucks are moving in.

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Speaker 5: It is a good thing that the air drops are happening.

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Speaker 5: We are concerned with the safety and security of it,

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Speaker 5: but we believe more AID is the answer to many

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Speaker 5: of the problems that we're talking about. When you mentioned

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Speaker 5: the blockade of AID, when we were approved to go in,

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Speaker 5: we were approved for eight sites. The IDF only built

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Speaker 5: US four so we are beholden to when and where

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Speaker 5: because they're waging war. We pushed them every single day,

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Speaker 5: including back then. We fought publicly and you could see

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Speaker 5: it publicly. We fought for the United Nations to also

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Speaker 5: be allowed in over to A letter was sent in

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Speaker 5: August by over two hundred international NGOs from over fifteen

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Speaker 5: countries urging people to work with us. Right, this is

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Speaker 5: a complex problem. We would love to work with the

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Speaker 5: United Nations. We've had none of our aid diverted. By

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Speaker 5: their own metrics, they had ninety three point five percent

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Speaker 5: of the trucks, which again we is not enough.

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Speaker 2: Why is it that on July ninth, GHF posted to

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Speaker 2: Twitter Hamas wants GHF out of Gaza and the UN

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Speaker 2: back in so it can once again control the food supply.

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Speaker 2: That certainly doesn't seem like a statement, you know, full

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Speaker 2: support for UN aid distribution.

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Speaker 5: Here, sure, so we support the UN distributing aid, we

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Speaker 5: do not support Hamas taking it. I mean, I think

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Speaker 5: that's pretty clear. Our mission is to feed the people

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Speaker 5: of Gaza in a way that Hamas can't steal it.

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Speaker 2: Do you have evidence that the Israeli military doesn't have

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Speaker 2: that Hamas has been stealing aid because Israeli military officials

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Speaker 2: say that's not happening.

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Speaker 5: You could you could see it online. I could show

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Speaker 5: it to you, the armed men driving trucks around Gaza

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Speaker 5: city prior to this recent IDF offensive. I mean, you

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Speaker 5: can see it on social media. Will send it to

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Speaker 5: you for sure, Chapin. It doesn't matter whether it's Hamas

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Speaker 5: or anyone else.

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Speaker 2: But right, I want to go back to the origin

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Speaker 2: of this question, which was about the two thousand plus

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Speaker 2: aid seekers who have been killed in the context of

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Speaker 2: seeking aid at your sites, the testimony from doctors.

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Speaker 5: Do you keep saying at yours that is false?

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Speaker 4: So you don't accept you don't accept that that's.

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Speaker 6: Out right outside your sites?

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Speaker 5: Well again, right, I don't know why you're trying so

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Speaker 5: hard to Well, my question is.

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Speaker 10: The United Nations has had a a couple hundred percent

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Speaker 10: uptaking casualties at their trucks and convoys recently.

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Speaker 5: Have you been in terrygoating those numbers as much as

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Speaker 5: you're interrogating ours.

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Speaker 4: Taban, We have actually a war zone.

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Speaker 2: We we have covered those aspects as well, but we've

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Speaker 2: spoken with doctors directly. We heard the testimony from the

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Speaker 2: head of Doctors with Down Borders UK.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm happy to respond to that.

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Speaker 2: Bryan's news out has spoken directly to Palestinian eye witnesses

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Speaker 2: and in every instance they say that nearly daily there

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Speaker 2: are aid massacres when people are going to transitting to

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Speaker 2: and from your sites. Now, let's say you're correct and

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Speaker 2: that if we could see all the security footage, you

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Speaker 2: would be vindicated that your contract have nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with that. Do you bear any responsibility for those killings

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Speaker 2: that are happening when aid seekers are transitting to and

779
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Speaker 2: from your sites or do you just think you have

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with that. The IDF is going to

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Speaker 2: do what they have to do and it's not your business.

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Speaker 5: As I said, we pushed the IDF to deconflict and

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Speaker 5: to make it safe across Gaza and expanding monitary zones

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Speaker 5: every single day. We are not affiliated with the government

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Speaker 5: of Israel and we are not affiliated with the IDF

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Speaker 5: that we work with them of course on safety. And

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Speaker 5: I'm glad you brought me back to Nasair Hospital and

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Speaker 5: Doctors Without Borders where they operate and the numbers that

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Speaker 5: come out of there. Our model is unique. We use

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Speaker 5: local gossins As who run the sites. They're the ones

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Speaker 5: who interact with the crowd and download the aid and

792
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Speaker 5: hand it out and all of that. They currently live

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Speaker 5: on site twenty four hours a day and cover their

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Speaker 5: faces because a few months ago they used to take

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Speaker 5: a bus to work and Hamas hijacked the bus, shot

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Speaker 5: nine people and murdered them on video. The remaining survivors

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Speaker 5: of that massacre, around twenty of them, were brought to

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Speaker 5: Nasa Hospital where Doctors Without Borders operates, and they were

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Speaker 5: refused treatment and they were left to die in the

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Speaker 5: court arch, in the courtyard, in the parking lot.

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Speaker 2: That's because of their affiliation with that's an extraordinary claimed.

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Speaker 4: You have evidence for that.

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Speaker 5: Sure, it's been reporter of the media, not widely because

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Speaker 5: it doesn't fit a neat narrative. Doctors About Borders also

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Speaker 5: has an agenda. There's been recent reporting about them running

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Speaker 5: ads against us. And again NASA Hospital, who you can

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Speaker 5: see recent reporting and hostage testimony that there were hostages

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Speaker 5: at the Nazara Hospital. You know, the ID have to

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Speaker 5: you know, just had an offensive against it. So again

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Speaker 5: the Gossam Ministry of Health is Hamas one of the

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Speaker 5: combatants and which has no moral equivalency with the with

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Speaker 5: with Israel and the IDF, which is a you know,

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Speaker 5: a professional military. The IDF doesn't confirm many of those casualties.

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Speaker 5: And I would I would extress, but.

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Speaker 2: You don't believe that this is happening. You just reject doctors, witnesses.

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Speaker 2: I'm not organization journalists.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying there are no casualties. I wonder why

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Speaker 5: you're trying so hard to tag a group that is

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Speaker 5: tasked solely with feeding people, uh, in some sort of agenda.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why you're trying. It's hard to make that.

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Speaker 2: To be feeding people, you're not doing very well since

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Speaker 2: there's there's a famine there.

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Speaker 5: You've delivered one hundred and fifty million meals and have

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Speaker 5: had no food diverted. We've delivered almost one hundred and

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Speaker 5: sixty sorry a hundred and sixty million time.

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Speaker 4: Of your operation.

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Speaker 2: That IBC has declared a famine and children are starving

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Speaker 2: to death. So I would say that again, that's of

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Speaker 2: your actions.

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Speaker 5: The debate over famine is for others to determine. I

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Speaker 5: mean the unit. It's been reported that the United Nations

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Speaker 5: changed its standards to create a file to create that.

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Speaker 5: That's fine. That's again that's for someone else to debate.

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Speaker 5: Where we operate in the south, and I will grant

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Speaker 5: you that the need is more acute in the north,

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Speaker 5: where we do not operate. Where we operate in the South,

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Speaker 5: we have put one hundred and sixty million meals directly

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Speaker 5: into the hands of the Palace city and people. We

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Speaker 5: have three thousand women who come to our sites. You

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Speaker 5: can ask them about the safety and about hamas thread

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Speaker 5: and all of that stuff. Why would they come to

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Speaker 5: our states?

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Speaker 2: We have we have spoken with Palestinians about their experience,

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Speaker 2: which is what we're trying to relate to you. And

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Speaker 2: Ryan has done extraordinary reporting in this regard.

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Speaker 6: Well, Champion. Yeah, we've reached out when we heard this

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Speaker 6: claim that they allowed people to die in the courtyard

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Speaker 6: of Nots Hospital, reach out to MSF, who reached out

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Speaker 6: to Nazer Hospital. The doctors there at both organizations say

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Speaker 6: have no idea what you're talking about. They've no evidence

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Speaker 6: of this at all. If if you can put us

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Speaker 6: in touch with any family members of those who died

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Speaker 6: in the courtyard outside of Naz Hospital, we will absolutely

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Speaker 6: report that. Can you commit to attempting to try to

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Speaker 6: find some family members of those who died outside the

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Speaker 6: the hospital comment because they say that they're absolutely unsure. Okay,

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Speaker 6: I also want to ask you one of the things

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Speaker 6: you get criticized as an.

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Speaker 5: Active tour zone. And again, I'm not here to say

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Speaker 5: that you HF is perfect. I'm not here to say

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Speaker 5: there are no casualties in this war. Every casualty is regrettable.

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Speaker 5: And again, we pushed the idea up every single day. Right,

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Speaker 5: we don't shoot a people. We have never shot of people.

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Speaker 5: The only times they have ever shot their weapons was

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Speaker 5: into the air the day of the stampede, so a

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Speaker 5: former US Marine could run into the stampede and save

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Speaker 5: a child's life. That same day, a gun was pulled

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Speaker 5: on him in the crowd. He didn't same man, didn't

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Speaker 5: raise his weapon, didn't fire it, ran at the man,

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Speaker 5: tackled him and took the pistol away. And you're trying

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Speaker 5: to tell me these people are out being maniacs. It's

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Speaker 5: just not true. These are honorable men doing honorable work.

873
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Speaker 5: This is a mission that they enjoy because for once

874
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 5: they're not asked to shoot a people. They're being asked

875
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 5: to help protect people whose only mission in life is

876
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 5: to feed the people of Gaza, which we've done to

877
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 5: the tune of one hundred and sixty million meals.

878
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 6: You said a moment ago that there's no connection, no

879
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 6: relationship with the Israeli government. We could put up D

880
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 6: one here. This is Besil Smotrich saying that Israel is

881
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 6: allocating funds for Kaza Humanitarian Foundation. And earlier you said

882
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 6: that in these that the IDF helps you with threat

883
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 6: assessment and that you have you have you have rooms

884
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 6: where you have monitors up where you're where you're checking

885
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 6: to see if there are ongoing threats at the site.

886
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 6: So the so the I, So are you saying that

887
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 6: the IDF is in those monitoring rooms with you, where

888
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 6: you're collecting the data.

889
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: So when I say helping with threat assessment, the IDF

890
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 5: is doing constant threat assessment in this war, and they

891
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 5: let us know if there is a threat that we

892
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 5: haven't determined. Right. One of our sites was closed yesterday

893
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: because of a thread up North Hamas comes. They pay

894
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 5: people to dig tunnels, there's a you know, it's structurally

895
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 5: difficult logistically because there's a bridge that people hide under.

896
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 5: So that's what I mean, so the IDP is constantly

897
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 5: doing threat assessment. You don't have to ask them, you know,

898
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 5: what kind of technology and how they do that. I

899
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 5: don't have any particularly inside into that, but we do,

900
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 5: excuse me, we do coordinate with them and you know,

901
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 5: work together on whether the site is safe. Right. If

902
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 5: the site is not safe, we do not open right.

903
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 5: And you'll notice if you get our daily updates, we

904
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 5: have four sites. One is being rebuilt currently, so we

905
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 5: have three sites that are operational. For example, yesterday only

906
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 5: two were open because again the one in central Gaza

907
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 5: there was you know, some sort of identified threat that I,

908
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 5: you know, am not privy to UH, and we didn't

909
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 5: open that site. So that's what I mean by by

910
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 5: by you know, working with the IDF on threats and

911
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 5: and on your the motriche reporting. I have read the

912
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 5: reporting too. We have not received any money. I have

913
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 5: seen him talk about the Humanitarian a Fund, right, which

914
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 5: may not be us I don't I don't really know,

915
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 5: but we do not take any money from the government

916
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 5: of Israel, and we likely would not UH if offered.

917
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 5: But as of today, there there has been no money

918
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 5: UH and no funding from the government Israel. Are are

919
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 5: really our only relationship with the government Israel is that

920
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 5: we are approved to operate and certainly you know through

921
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 5: the IDF on deconfliction.

922
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 6: And one of the other things that you get criticized

923
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 6: for is the content of the packages that you give out,

924
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 6: you know, pasta and some other you know, starch and

925
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 6: other basics. According to you can manage an aid worker

926
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 6: I spoke with yesterday, there are roughly three hundred thousand

927
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 6: children five and under currently facing acute malnutrition, either severe

928
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 6: or moderate. They need a very particular type of response.

929
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 6: It's also often you know this particular or nutritional peanut

930
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 6: butter packages that go into some aid organizations bring in

931
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 6: What are you doing for those three hundred thousand children

932
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 6: five and under who are facing malnutrition, who probably can't

933
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 6: you know, get through the desert to these sites and

934
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 6: then learn as you just said, like I'm sure thousands

935
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 6: of people showed up to the site that was closed

936
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 6: last night, and the IDF usually uses then live gunfire

937
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 6: to to disperse the crowd who thought it was going

938
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 6: to be open but then found it wasn't. So how

939
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 6: did that children five and under? What are you doing

940
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 6: for them? And are you working on bringing in something

941
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 6: other than the pasta and the lentils, and and what's

942
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 6: what you're criticized for at the beginning.

943
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, happy to answer that. But on the piece about

944
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 5: when we're closed, I don't know that that's true. I

945
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 5: certainly can't confirm that there was no crowd. But we

946
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 5: communicate via you know, many a sort of a holistic way. Uh,

947
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 5: And we have a flag system, right, it's red when

948
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 5: it's closed and it's green when it's open. We do

949
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 5: social media. A lot of them have devices, So I

950
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 5: don't know that that's true that that you know that

951
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 5: they didn't know we were closed.

952
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 6: And by the way, the flags quickly how long on

953
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 6: average I've heard they are open for about eight minutes.

954
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 6: What's what's your sense of how long the site is open? Green?

955
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 5: I've been there, so the first part of the distribution

956
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 5: can be quick, longer than eight minutes, but certainly in

957
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 5: half an hour. So our model is a little different, right.

958
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 5: We we have these sites, these secure sites. Aid convoys

959
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 5: come U. The local workers use fork LFTs, download the

960
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 5: aid that convoy leaves, and then a mobile team comms

961
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 5: that includes the Mediterraneans and they open the site. Now

962
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 5: with the women's distributions. That takes a long time, uh,

963
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 5: to to physically put a bag when we have them,

964
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 5: because it's easier for them to carry our box directly

965
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 5: into their hands. It takes it can take up to

966
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 5: four or five hours. But yes, we open for a

967
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 5: discrete time period, uh, and then we close. And again

968
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 5: I'm not here to tell you that we're perfect. Right.

969
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 5: One of the challenges, the reason we do women's distributions

970
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 5: women and children at the end is because you know,

971
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 5: the aid was going too quickly and it was going

972
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 5: to younger, fitter men uh for a little while, right,

973
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 5: and we were trying to solve for that challenge. On

974
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 5: on the children's nutrition, we actually have some Meridians purse

975
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 5: now on our sites for probably about a month now

976
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 5: they are distributing medical aid. We had military, you know,

977
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 5: former military medics and doctors performing those duties. We now

978
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 5: have some Aridans purse, which is a ingo that does

979
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 5: that and that's their specialty.

980
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 6: They also donated what you're talking go ahead, yeah, yeah, so.

981
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 5: They donated ready to use supplemental food our USF. I

982
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 5: think the nickname Ford is plumping out exactly what you described.

983
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 5: It's like a peanut buttery substance, and one of the requirements,

984
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 5: you know, they came to the sites to make sure

985
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 5: you know, it was something that could work for them

986
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 5: on the medical aid and on the r USF, because

987
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 5: you can't just from what I'm told, you can't just

988
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 5: like surge the population with that particular item because if

989
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 5: you eat too much of it when you're hungry, right

990
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 5: or starving, it can have negative health consequences. So one

991
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 5: of their requirements is was that it be handed out

992
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 5: individually to people or individually put in the boxes. So

993
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 5: during the women's distribution, we hand them out. I apologize

994
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 5: I'm blanking on the number, but it's it's certainly in

995
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 5: the tens of thousands. It might be in six figures

996
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 5: by now, it's been about a month. We also work

997
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 5: with many of the women who are mothers so that

998
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 5: they can be vetted and then we can give them

999
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 5: a box of it right of just that so they

1000
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 5: can distribute it their family and friends in community. So

1001
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 5: we are we are doing that. Again, we have to

1002
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 5: pretend there's only one way uh to feed or distribute

1003
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 5: aid to the people of Gaza, right we are, we

1004
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 5: are doing one small part here uh, and that's one

1005
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 5: of our innovations that that seem to have been working

1006
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 5: Samaras Purse, you know, so they're you know, one of

1007
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 5: the things I find fascinating is you know they see children, right,

1008
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 5: they bring from the from the distribution side to the

1009
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 5: umanitarian side and our sites, they bring past the security personnel.

1010
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 5: They bring children in, you know, if they're scraped or

1011
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 5: cut or many of them are are barefoot. One of

1012
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 5: our humanitarians actually uh started a you know, a fund

1013
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 5: to provide shoes for some of the people that don't

1014
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 5: have them. But often they're like bloody feet kind of injuries.

1015
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 5: And now some marriage Purse is doing that. But they

1016
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 5: do follow ups, right, if a kid was stitch up

1017
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 5: two weeks prior, they'll they'll bring him into the site

1018
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 5: and stitch them up again or sorry, do the follow up.

1019
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 5: So we're we're glad that you know, Smarte Purse is

1020
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 5: able to do that in a professional way. We're talking

1021
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 5: with them about building wells on our sites as well,

1022
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 5: so we can have an ongoing supply of order to

1023
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 5: distribute as well. So those are the kind of innovations

1024
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 5: that JHF is looking into doing.

1025
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 6: So they're almost it and hopefully over one hundred thousand

1026
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 6: of these distributions as I mentioned though.

1027
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I don't have that statistic.

1028
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 6: Get my let's even say it's two hundred thousand at

1029
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 6: this point. Yeah, you know there's three hundred thousand kids

1030
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 6: needing three meals a day. That's you know, it's close

1031
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 6: to a million. There is the day just for the

1032
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 6: children five and under who are facing mountain nutrition. Like

1033
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 6: at this moment, it seems like they and I think

1034
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 6: you would probably agree, like you said, it can't just

1035
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 6: be the fore sights. You know, there should be a

1036
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 6: flood of aid going into Gaza. Then what then where

1037
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 6: is the like.

1038
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 5: The sol solve the problem?

1039
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 6: Flood aight in? So you would agree, just flood the

1040
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 6: aid in definitely and everybody else.

1041
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 5: Yes. When the UN started moving trucks again before this offensive, uh,

1042
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 5: the pressure started coming down in our area as well, right,

1043
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 5: and and technically with our sites in the from central

1044
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 5: to south, we're we're within we think a million of

1045
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 5: the population, right, it's a two million, you know, it's

1046
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 5: over two millions, So it's not enough. We totally agree,

1047
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 5: but we see, right, we put out a couple hundred

1048
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 5: pounds of flour a day and it has a immediate

1049
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 5: impact on the local market. Right. So the more aid

1050
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 5: that's out there, even if it's being sold, as long

1051
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 5: as it's not price gouging or being hoarded by you know,

1052
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 5: I hate to blame Hamas for everything, but gangs or whatever.

1053
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 5: As long as it's getting out there, it makes everything safer. Right.

1054
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 5: The only reason we can do some of these things,

1055
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 5: like the women's distribution, which are actually very calm, uh

1056
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 5: and and orderly. The only reason we could do that

1057
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 5: is because some of the pressure in the areas we

1058
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 5: are serving is coming down. We actually do not Again,

1059
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 5: I'm not going to debate whether there's famine or not,

1060
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 5: but where we operate, we see a lot of people

1061
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 5: coming often. I go a couple of times a week,

1062
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 5: and even I see repeat faces and have relationships with

1063
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 5: some of the women and children who we see every day.

1064
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 5: So the people who are there are coming often, and

1065
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 5: we are seeing people get healthier, We're seeing to become calmer.

1066
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: A few more things we want to we want to

1067
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: get from you, first of all, just because it's such

1068
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: a crucial issue. I know you don't trust the Gaza

1069
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: Health Ministry because you say they're hamas run or going

1070
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: to say. You don't trust NASA hospital, you don't trust

1071
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: doctors without borders, you don't trust the doctors we've spoken with.

1072
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: Maybe you trust the IDF because soldiers. IDF soldiers spoke

1073
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 2: with Harads we could a D eight up on the

1074
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: screen and discussed described the transit to and from your

1075
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: sites as quote a killing field. The headline here is

1076
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: IDF soldiers order to shoot deliberately at unarmed gosens waiting

1077
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: for humanitarian aid. Where I was stationed, between one and

1078
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: five people were killed every day. They're treated like a

1079
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: hostile force. No crowd control measures, no tear gas, just

1080
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: live fire with everything imaginable, heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars.

1081
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: Then once the center opens, the shooting stops and they

1082
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: know they can approach. Our form of communication is gun fire.

1083
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 2: So I ask you once again, does GHF bear any

1084
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: responsibility for the mass killings that doctors, Palestinians, journalists and

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00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: IDF soldiers are attesting to happen outside of your sites

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00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: when aid seekers are going to and from your distributions.

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00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 5: Well, I hate to be a one trick pony first,

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00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 5: but Heretz is one of the outlets that publishes where

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00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 5: people are staying for no other reason they do.

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00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: So you deny the veracity of idea soldiers, I said.

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Speaker 4: To what they experienced.

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Speaker 5: While I'm happy to answer your question, like I said,

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00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 5: we push every day for the IDF to deconflict and

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00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 5: to do things in a safer and more secure man.

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00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 4: Right, Well, let's say.

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00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: My question, do you bear any responsibility you're not answering

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00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: your question. Let's say you accept this report and you

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00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: don't think any responsibility for the casualties, responsibility for any

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00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: of the massacres that are happening routinely as people attempt

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00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: to access the AID at your site, which is why

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00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: many Palestinians call them and the Financial Times and other

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00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: outlets a quote unquote death trap.

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00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 5: So the ten thousand Palasidians who come every day to

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00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 5: our sites, more than ten thousand, it's ten thousand and

1105
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 5: one site, Uh disagree? They don't.

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00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 6: They don't want that. It's either star they don't want

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00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 6: to starve to die.

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00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 5: So, first of all, I'm not going to comment on

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00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 5: numbers that come from one of the combatants, which is

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00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 5: run by a terrorist organization. I'm not here to say

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00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 5: there are no cases. What you're telling me, are you

1112
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 5: calling no no, no, no, no no the Gaza Ministry

1113
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 5: of Health right.

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00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 6: And certainly run by the Palestinian authority by the.

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00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 5: Way, great, I mean you know these numbers are are

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00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 5: hard to verify. No, I understand, these numbers are hard

1117
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 5: to verify. And it's a war zone. And what you're

1118
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 5: telling me is we are problematic because there are casualties

1119
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 5: happening outside our sites. Is the un.

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Speaker 2: Problem as a routine process, that's what is being attested

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00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 2: to have soldiers chapin field right, No to your guests,

1122
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: just live fire with everything imaginable, heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars,

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00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 2: that's what's happening.

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00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 4: I mean, and we can play you.

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00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: Endless amount of videos. I don't know what this sounds

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00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 2: like and looks.

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00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 5: Like, but right, but if if they're launching grenades at

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Speaker 5: a crowd, we would be well over the casualties you're

1129
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 5: trying to tag the GHF with. I mean, so some

1130
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 5: of these statistics right over three months and again I.

1131
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: As well, it may well be an undercount. You're right,

1132
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: tape and it might be an undercount.

1133
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 5: It may And did you tell the United Nations they

1134
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,479
Speaker 5: should stop operating because there are casualties on the way

1135
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 5: to their convoys or when their truck runs over an

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00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 5: aid seeker.

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00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 4: That is your dodge question. Media, So is your is

1138
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 4: your answer effectively.

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00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: You've had no Let me encapsulate your response is no,

1140
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: we bear no responsibility. What happens outside of our sites

1141
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: is none of our business. And if IDF is massacring age,

1142
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: who are transferring the desert? Are?

1143
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 5: You may not like my answer, but those are the

1144
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 5: words that I use. I mean those are answering question.

1145
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 5: Actually respond that there are casualties. I'm not a casualties in.

1146
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 4: This You're going to have a responsibility.

1147
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 5: We have killed no one, No one has died on

1148
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 5: our side.

1149
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 4: Any responsibility.

1150
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 5: It's a ridiculous question.

1151
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 4: It's not so answer it then if it's so.

1152
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: Ridiculous, I mean, does the UN bear responsibility?

1153
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 4: Your own bear?

1154
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 5: Have you asked the u N have you asked.

1155
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 4: The question that is being put to you right now?

1156
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 5: Let's put answer your question.

1157
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 6: Okay, let's put four zone this is.

1158
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 5: This is a dangerous operation.

1159
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: So the answer is no responsibility.

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00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 5: Casualties in this war and if they are civilians, that

1161
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 5: is tragic, and we pushed the idea. But by the way,

1162
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 5: our job is to feed people, period and when any organization,

1163
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 5: including the IDEA in the government of Israel, make that

1164
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 5: more difficult, we call them out publicly and voriciously. You

1165
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 5: can see on our website. You can see it in

1166
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 5: our past statements. We wish the idea today, Well, let's

1167
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 5: let's just joint the idea and I don't dictate war

1168
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 5: tactics to the idea.

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00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 6: Well you're gonna have let's jointly, let's jointly condemn one here,

1170
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 6: control loom. Let's put up before there's dozens of these,

1171
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 6: but let's put up before.

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Speaker 5: The manager.

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Speaker 6: Hello, so as you can. I don't know if what

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Speaker 6: you were able to hear the relentless gunfire, uh, the

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01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 6: to solve this, it would be simple, you said, you

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Speaker 6: have you know, twenty four to seven monitoring of GHF

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Speaker 6: sites that the surveillance video must reach out to where

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Speaker 6: the IDF lines are. If I'm not saying publish that

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01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 6: public Yeah, you don't want one.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that's the case.

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Speaker 6: But I can share it, share it privately with journalists

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01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 6: who could review it and then describe whether or not

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01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 6: because maybe the gunfire was coming from somewhere else. But

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Speaker 6: so could you commit to at least talking to your

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01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 6: superiors about giving a process to the to the surveillance day.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I will, I will. I will make that. And

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Speaker 5: by the way, I'm a person who thinks transparency and

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01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 5: more visibility will help because I've been there and i

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Speaker 5: haven't seen anything like like this. What I will tell

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Speaker 5: you right now, if the IDEF is killing civilians anywhere

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Speaker 5: at Gaza, let alone anywhere near ours sites, we will

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01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 5: call it out and and and push them not to

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Speaker 5: do that. And and that's a tragedy and it should

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Speaker 5: not be happening. You can hear the IDEAF on our sites.

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01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 5: You can, so they're not sorry, to be clear, when

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Speaker 5: you are on our site, you can hear the IDEF

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Speaker 5: conducting operations far away. You can hear it a little closer.

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Speaker 5: You can hear gunfire is endemic to the region, right,

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Speaker 5: so you can hear it. You cannot see from at

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Speaker 5: least one of the sites that I'm usually on. You

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01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 5: cannot see the aid seekers, right. I mentioned that they

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01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 5: gather over almost a kilometer away. And just because of

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Speaker 5: structures and you know, Rafa is rubble. The IDEAF has

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01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 5: turned Rafa into rubble and so sorry, I lost my

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01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 5: train of thought. So but we pushed them every day

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Speaker 5: to do things.

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Speaker 4: We can shift gears a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Here, there are two more that I want to get

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01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 2: from you, and I'll let Ryan you know if he

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01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 2: has other things he wants to get from you before

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01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 2: we let you go. We can put D five up

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Speaker 2: on the screen. So the Washington Post got their hands

1213
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Speaker 2: on a Trump administration presentation of the so called Gaza

1214
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: Riviera Plan. This is one sort of slide in their

1215
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: presentation of what they want to do as part of

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Speaker 2: this plan to completely displace all two million Palestinians living

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Speaker 2: two million plus. However, many Palestinians remain in the Gaza

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Speaker 2: strip And if we could keep this up on the screen,

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Speaker 2: JHF figures quite prominently into this plan that has been

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Speaker 2: described as a total and complete ethnic cleansing. So you

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01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: can see on the left hand they describe the humanitarian

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01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 2: operations of which you know they name.

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Speaker 4: Check you all.

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01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 2: GHF operates under a humanitarian mandate to secure its humanitarian

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01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: operations in personnel hamas, free humanitarian transition areas are established.

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Speaker 4: And then in the.

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Speaker 2: Next phase they say that the Great trust is created

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Speaker 2: and GHF folds under the great trust. First of all,

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Speaker 2: are you ware of this presentation? And does GHF? Has

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Speaker 2: GHF had any input, input or role in putting together

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01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 2: this plan that again would amount to the complete and

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Speaker 2: total displacement of all two million Palestinians who arerently inside

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Speaker 2: the gaza strip.

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Speaker 5: So I think this is the one from earlier this year?

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Speaker 5: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: This was released what maybe a month ago?

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Speaker 5: That's all long, It doesn't matter. I think this. I

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01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 5: think we're talking about the same thing. So we actually

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01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 5: that is not a g HF H slide deck. We

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01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 5: had nothing to do with creating it. I'm even sure

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01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 5: who did what I would And so we have had

1242
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 5: no conversations about any of these kind of ideas.

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01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: No one in your organization, you can you can say

1244
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 2: no one with confidence. No one in your organization has

1245
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 2: had participation in the gazas.

1246
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, no one in the current organization. What I will

1247
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 5: say is we are a product of President Trump's call

1248
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 5: for innovative solutions. I think it was last fall, and

1249
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 5: there were a ton of wacky ideas, uh and a

1250
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 5: ton of different things that happened, But we were formed.

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Speaker 5: I believe in February in Delaware. We're an American nonprofit

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01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 5: and we.

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Speaker 4: Have a very Does GF oppose this plan?

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Speaker 5: I don't know the details. I assume we would oppose it.

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01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: And again, but do you oppose at the cleansing in

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01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 2: general and the displacement of postes, then you can say

1257
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 2: you oppose the plan without reservation, because that's what the

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01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: plan is, right.

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Speaker 5: But again I haven't seen it. I've only seen that slide, so.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's like something you should look into. Since

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Speaker 4: your course, we're.

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Speaker 5: Opposed at the cleansing. We are opposed to war crimes. Yes,

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01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 5: of course, we oppose the casualties. We're opposed to the war.

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01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 5: We are pro cease fire. We are pro more aid.

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01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 5: And what I would I would I would recommend extreme

1266
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 5: skepticism that anyone wants to stop the GHF and shut

1267
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 5: us down, because what that means is less aid into Gaza.

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01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 5: Anyone who's advocating for less aid into Gaza, I would

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Speaker 5: I would meet with extreme skepticism. We are against that.

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Speaker 5: We are pro aid. We are pro the Arab States

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Speaker 5: standing in the air drops. We are pro the United Nations.

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Speaker 5: We have had meetings with them in New York recently

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01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 5: that we're productive and we are optimistic that we can

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01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 5: work with them. We stand ready, willing and eager to

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01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 5: do that. We are ready willing and eager to expand

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01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 5: into as many sites. You know, President Trump and his

1277
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 5: team have been you know public you know, I've had

1278
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 5: private meetings that have been publicly reported about the future

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01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 5: of God's and humanitarian efforts there. We're ready to expand

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 5: and feed more people. We await you know, a word

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01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 5: from them and direction from the American government on you know,

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01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 5: resources and how that's going to look. But we are

1283
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 5: not participating in those conversations in an active way.

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01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 6: Let me just follow on that real quickly. Philip Riley.

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01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 6: Philip Riley is a Can you tell us who Philip

1286
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 6: Riley is?

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01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's that I don't know exact title, but he

1288
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 5: runs our logistics subcontractor SRS.

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Speaker 6: It was reported that he consulted with Boston Consulting Group

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Speaker 6: through the development of this plan. Isn't that? I mean,

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Speaker 6: that appears to be a pretty close link between I

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01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 6: don't just he's advising Boston Consulting Group according to news reports.

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Speaker 5: So so, mister Riley has actually been in country since

1294
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 5: for a long time because he was helping run the

1295
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 5: checkpoints of the border. So he has certainly been involved

1296
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 5: in conversations that have evolved over time. And like I

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01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 5: you know, what I would say is there are a

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01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 5: lot of conversations. There's a lot of public stuff. PCG

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Speaker 5: is not involved in in GHF. I don't know, uh,

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Speaker 5: exactly the origin story of that, but like I said,

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Speaker 5: there are a lot of wacky ideas that came out

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Speaker 5: of President Trump's call for innovative solutions here, but ours

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01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 5: is very focused on on our model and feeding people.

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Speaker 2: So it does seem then that someone in the organization,

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Speaker 2: Philip Riley, head of s RS, had conversations that were

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Speaker 2: involved in creating this Gaza rivera plan, which is tantamount

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Speaker 2: to you know, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't know that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think something else with Boston Consulting Group.

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Speaker 5: Sure, I mean Boston Consulting Group has a million of

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Speaker 5: foreign clients, has a lot of work. Yeah, you know, conversations.

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Speaker 5: All I know is there were a lot of wacky ideas.

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01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 5: I can't speak to everyone on the team who may

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Speaker 5: or may not involve those conversations, but what evolved from

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01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 5: that was the current GHF model. Which is to feed

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01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 5: the people of gods in a way that a moss

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01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 5: can't steal it at safe distribution sites.

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Speaker 6: And one of the other things you've been criticized for

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01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 6: is or the sense that only kind of friendly reporters

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Speaker 6: are allowed quote unquote friendly reporters allowed on the GHF site.

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01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 6: Would you commit to allowing a breaking points or drop

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Speaker 6: site reporter to visit the site in the same way

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Speaker 6: that some of these other reporters had.

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Speaker 5: Well, sure, between you, me and your audience, I push

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01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 5: for this every day. It is an active war zone

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01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 5: and it's complicated, but I will absolutely commit to pushing

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Speaker 5: for more. I do every day. That's why I'm here

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01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 5: right and I believe that what we are doing is

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Speaker 5: running smoothly and is really quite moving to see. So

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Speaker 5: be happy to happy to make that request on your guys' behalf.

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Speaker 4: And Japan, how do you.

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Speaker 2: How do you rebut the idea that there has been

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Speaker 2: partisan favoritism here? I mean, yourself are Republican strategists. There

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01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: were two Democratic senators who attempted to gain access.

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01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 4: They were denied. Joni Ernst was allowed.

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Speaker 2: It does appear that, you know, sort of partisan aligned

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01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 2: media has been granted much more access. Of course, the

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Speaker 2: Trump administration has been as well. So how do you

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01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,520
Speaker 2: rebut that criticism that there has been blatant partisan favoritism

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Speaker 2: played in terms of who gets access to the AID site, Well, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't think that's true about the Democratic Centers not being allowed.

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01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 5: They were offered and rejected the offer to come to

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01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 5: see a distribution. And again this is for other people

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01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 5: to debate. Right, everything in America is highly politicized, and

1345
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 5: you know, support for Israel or Palestine and that binary

1346
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 5: choice is changing in America. But that's for others to debate, right.

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01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 5: We're focused on feeding people. If the United States Center

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Speaker 5: wanted to come see a distribution, we would absolutely bring

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Speaker 5: that senator out.

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Speaker 2: And then the last very technical question I have for you,

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01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: because this was another thing that was raised by Anthony

1352
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 2: Abelar is he said that the contractors you hire come

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01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: in into Israel on a standard tourist visa. You know,

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01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 2: we asked you all in an email exchange about that,

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01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: and the response we got is that all GF GHF

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Speaker 2: contractors are.

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01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 4: Quote authorized to work.

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01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: What does that mean under what legal authority specifically? And

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01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 2: are you concerned about legal liability either for yourself or

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01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 2: for contractors at GHF.

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Speaker 5: So no, I mean we are doing the right thing.

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01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 5: We're trying to feed people every single day in a

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Speaker 5: war zone where the risk is never zero. I'd have

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01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 5: to get back to you on the exact you know.

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01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 5: I'm not a I'm not a national affairs lawyer. I

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01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:37,520
Speaker 5: don't know exactly.

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Speaker 4: When you entered what sort of visa, what sort of

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Speaker 4: visa di G.

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Speaker 5: I think you know a work. I don't know the

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01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 5: exact term. I did not pick vacation. You know, when

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Speaker 5: you fill out the form online, you get a drop

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01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 5: down menu. It wasn't for permanent work, but it was

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01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 5: for you know, business purposes that I'm in the country,

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01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 5: and those are temporary. Right when you are here for

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01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 5: a certain amount of time, you certainly your visa has

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01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 5: to change and you start paying Israel Israeli taxes and

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff. You know. I'm not involved

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01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 5: of those conversations. I'm surely they'll tell me, uh when

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01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 5: when I have to fill out different paperwork. But everyone

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01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 5: is here legally, uh validly leap for valid legal reasons.

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01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 6: Sure, last question for me, I just want to make

1382
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Speaker 6: sure I understand the point that you were making earlier.

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01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 6: You know, one of the big holdups in the ceasefire

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01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 6: negotiations between Hamas and Israel has been whether or not

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01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 6: the un AID system would be reinstituted. As Crystal mentioned,

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Speaker 6: at times it seemed like GHF was opposed to that,

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01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 6: and GHF wanted to kind of maintain its position is

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01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 6: that is that no longer GHF's official position that that

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01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 6: if the if Israel would agree that, you are completely

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01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 6: comfortable turning back over the humanitarian aid distribution system to

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01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 6: the United Nations and other aid organizations.

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Speaker 5: So what I would say is we support the Union

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01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 5: Nations operating the legacy system. Had some problems and we

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01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 5: believe they have some execution problems with their ability to

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01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 5: do the job. We were never meant to replace them.

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01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 5: We would work alongside them. And what I would say

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01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 5: is a humanitarian organization really is in the business of

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01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 5: putting itself out of business. So if the United Nations

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Speaker 5: could meet the full need of the hunger problem in Gaza,

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01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 5: GJF would no longer need to operate. We are prepared

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01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 5: to be there and work with whomever would like to

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01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 5: work with us until the full need is meant. But

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01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 5: certainly if the full need is being met, GJF does

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01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 5: not need to be here.

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01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 2: All right, Chafe and Faith, thank you for your time today.

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01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you of course.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, So we are now joined by Anthony Aguilar,

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01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 2: who you all know as the former Green Bray turned

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01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 2: GHF whistleblower. Is going to is to respond to that

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01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 2: interview we just had with Chape and Fay of GHF,

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: and we'll have some other questions for Anthony as well.

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01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 4: But great to see Anthony.

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01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 8: Welcome, Thank you, It's great to see see you both.

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Speaker 8: And good morning.

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01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, good morning.

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Speaker 2: So you were able to take a listen to the

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Speaker 2: interview that we conducted with Chape and Fay before we

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01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: get into some of the specific claims he made about

1420
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 2: you in particular, which I do want to give you

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01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 2: a chance to respond to. You know, what was your

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01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 2: impression overall of the interview and how it comported with

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01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 2: your experience that you've asserted that you witnessed on the

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Speaker 2: ground in Gaza.

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Speaker 8: It's becoming quite evident to me that over the course

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Speaker 8: of the interviews and discussions that have been had with

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Speaker 8: mister Chapin Fay of the GHF, that their position is

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01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 8: becoming much more desperate and erratic. You know. On the

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01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 8: on the twenty ninth of July, when they had a

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01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 8: major announcement to make, I requested to be a part

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01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 8: of that presser and they denied it. On the fourth

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Speaker 8: of August, when they had their next big announcement, I

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01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 8: requested to be able to answer questions. I was actually

1434
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,759
Speaker 8: dialed into both of those events, and they they openly

1435
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 8: denied it. For this occasion, you know, I would gladly

1436
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 8: have to take the opportunity to have a discussion with

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01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 8: with mister Chape and Fay, both of us together having

1438
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 8: a discussion. I don't think that he would. I don't

1439
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,799
Speaker 8: know if he would, if he would accept that invite,

1440
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 8: but I would. I would sincerely appreciate the opportunity.

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01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 2: And I can say we actually did ask for you

1442
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 2: both to be part of the segment today so that

1443
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: he could make his claims directly to you, and and

1444
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 2: they declined.

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01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 8: Oh well, not surprised. But so I just wanted to

1446
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 8: go in some of the before we go into the

1447
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,879
Speaker 8: specifics with a mirror and some of the the personnel

1448
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 8: aspects which we can gladly cover again there I want

1449
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 8: to start off with some points that that I that

1450
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 8: I agree with mister Chape and Fay, I'd like to

1451
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 8: start from a point of a compromise. I agree what

1452
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 8: he said that he does not know what he's talking

1453
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 8: about when he doesn't understand the military aspects of the sites.

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01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 8: I agree with that he has no idea what he's

1455
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 8: talking about from a tactical operational perspective about what the sites,

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 8: where they're located, what happens around the sites. For him

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01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 8: to say that the entrance to the sites or the

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01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 8: visualization from the sites that is a kilometer away is

1459
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 8: not true. I was there, I having served as an

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 8: intrument in combat as a Green Beret, I can tell

1461
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 8: distances off the back of my hand, and I know

1462
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 8: what I'm talking about. He contradicted himself anyway when he

1463
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 8: said that, you know, perhaps the holding areas is a

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01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 8: kilometer away, but then when you hear the shooting outside

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01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 8: of the site so very close that he claims is

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01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 8: the IDF and not GHF. Well that it's because they're close.

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01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 8: So which is it, Chapin are they? Are they a

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Speaker 8: kilometer away? Or are they or are they close? I

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01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 8: don't think mister chape and Fay knows what a kilometer is,

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01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 8: so I'll give an opportunity to research that. The other

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01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 8: aspect about that, you know, not necessarily knowing what's going

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Speaker 8: on on the sites. He went to Cite one, he

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01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 8: went to Site three for photo opportunities. You can see

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01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 8: him on the GHF web page where he's doing somewhat

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01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 8: of what you would look at as a influencer type

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01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 8: of self selfie styled interview. The truth is that mister

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01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 8: chape and Fay, in the time that he has been

1478
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 8: in Israel for crisis media management, stays at the Sheraton

1479
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,759
Speaker 8: Hotel in Tel Aviv at twelve hundred dollars a night. Fact,

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01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 8: that's where he stays. So in the time that he's

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01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 8: been staying there, mister Chapin Fay just to stay at

1482
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 8: the hotel at the executive Suite for security reasons, has

1483
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 8: spent over twenty eight thousand dollars just in lodging for

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01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 8: him to be there. That money should be spent on food, water,

1485
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 8: finding ways to improve the sites, but no, he is

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01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 8: a grifter. Furthermore, with the sites and talking about you know,

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01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 8: the that they innovate. G h F innovates according to

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01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 8: mister Chape and Faye, what about water? Why why haven't

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01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 8: they innovated to delivering water? I think that would be a.

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01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 6: Fantastic You might have heard him say that they're exploring

1491
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 6: digging wells at the at their sites.

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01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 8: Now mm hmm, they're they're they're exploring digging wells. Is

1493
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 8: like me doing my taxes at the d m V

1494
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 8: with the librarian. That is never going to happen. They

1495
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 8: they use words, they use description of words. For example,

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01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 8: when he said to you that he would gladly follow

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01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 8: up with you talking to family, I would I would

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01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 8: seriously consider following up on that doggedly, because I don't

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01:16:54,920 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 8: think that they're going to afford that opportunity. It's it's

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Speaker 8: unfortunate that we can't have honest conversations and that if

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01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 8: you look at the incident or the press brief from

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01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 8: the twenty ninth of July and then the press brief

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01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 8: that was just here on the fourth of August, they

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01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 8: they refuse to address the allegations and the critical concerns

1505
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 8: of the starvation and the shooting near and at the

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01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 8: sites people have died on the sites. For mister Chap

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01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 8: and Fay to say that no one has ever died

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01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 8: on the sites, is a is A is categorically false.

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01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,440
Speaker 6: The deaths at the Stampedes.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, death during the Stampedes, that was not the

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Speaker 8: fault of AMAS. The death on the second of June

1512
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 8: when the woman was hit in the head with the

1513
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 8: stun grenade and the Safe Reach Solutions operations director was

1514
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 8: so hurriedly trying to get her out of there on

1515
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 8: a donkey cart. The individual that you showed the video

1516
01:17:55,160 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 8: today of the the g HF Safe Reach Solutions contracted

1517
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 8: US contractor shooting from the burm the the oh yeah,

1518
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 8: I think you got one. Hell yeah, that wasn't the IDEF.

1519
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 8: That was a US contractor firing on the site. For

1520
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 8: to say anything different is just it's ludicrous, I mean.

1521
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 8: And g HF even set themselves in a statement that

1522
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 8: they they fired the individual. So if he wasn't shooting

1523
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 8: and it wasn't him that that that said that, if

1524
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 8: that was the IDEF, why did they fire him. If

1525
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 8: I was that individual, I'd be firing. I'd be filing

1526
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 8: a wrongful termination suit because if they're now saying that

1527
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 8: it wasn't him and he didn't do anything wrong, then

1528
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 8: why did they fire him. So, you know, their their

1529
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 8: narratives over time just don't add up. They don't make sense.

1530
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,640
Speaker 8: And I think that the gods a humanitarian foundation in

1531
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 8: their in their pr approach, rely on people forgetting what

1532
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 8: has been said, or rely on people not being able

1533
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 8: to put the pieces together in this by by saying

1534
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 8: that it's that it's that it's complicated or that it's

1535
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 8: too complex for the average person to understand. So therefore

1536
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,959
Speaker 8: you must just take everything that GHF takes as gospel.

1537
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 8: And GHF then their position is that the IDEF can't

1538
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 8: be trusted, the medicine san Frontier can't be trusted, the

1539
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 8: un can't be trusted, the Gaza Health Ministry which is

1540
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 8: run by the Palaestine Liberation Authority not FROMAS so they

1541
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 8: can't be trusted. Other organization doctors, surgeons, me, you know,

1542
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 8: can't be trusted. So you know, I'd like to answer

1543
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 8: a question that mister chape and Fay asked directly about

1544
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 8: me in terms of what kind of man I am.

1545
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 8: You know, well, when mister Chapin Fay was at Amherst

1546
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 8: College hanging at Drake's Bar with his friends, I was

1547
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 8: serving in uniform and fighting in war for this country.

1548
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 8: That's the kind of man I am. Integrity morals. I'm

1549
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 8: not a paid spokesman. I don't get paid by by

1550
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 8: anybody to be a paid spokesperson. I don't get paid

1551
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 8: to stay in lavish hotels and give press conferences where

1552
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 8: I have the the ability to not answer questions. What

1553
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 8: I saw in Gaza, what I experienced on the ground

1554
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 8: is the truth. There is indiscriminate killing, there is massive displacement.

1555
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 8: We are we the United States, through the Gaza military

1556
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 8: and Foundation, are complicit in the continued starvation of the population.

1557
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 8: There is a famine. People are dying every day of hunger.

1558
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 8: The bombing that's going on right now in northern Gaza

1559
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 8: that is televised every day. All of those civilians are

1560
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 8: being displaced to the south where the GHF will hold

1561
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 8: them in one big area where he said it himself,

1562
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 8: Site four was closed because of security. It is closed

1563
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 8: because of security, and the IDF are currently occupying the

1564
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 8: site in the nets are in Cordor. That's a fact.

1565
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 8: The construction in the south where they now only have

1566
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 8: two sites open. That construction is the expansion of the

1567
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 8: two point seven kilometer concentration camp that GHF will run.

1568
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 8: They are trying to distract from the reality. They are

1569
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 8: trying to distract from the facts with these dramatic announcements

1570
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 8: of oh, we have a we have a big announcement

1571
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 8: to make and it's it's all about discrediting me. And

1572
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 8: I say bring it on, because you're just digging your

1573
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 8: whole deeper today in their own press conference talking about biometrics,

1574
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 8: seriously talking about biometric collection on sites that's not a

1575
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 8: humanitarian mission, saying that they that they that that the

1576
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 8: UN is just giving food to commas after every organization

1577
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 8: to include Israel, has said that's not the case. They

1578
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 8: keep digging their whole deeper. And the truth is, the

1579
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 8: truth is the international community legal entities. When the United

1580
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 8: States are looking into the God's Humanitarian Foundation's financials and

1581
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 8: their activities in very deep form, they are looking deep.

1582
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 8: And when people start to go to prison and people

1583
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 8: start to throw people under the bus from GHF, mister

1584
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 8: chap and mister chap and Fay is going to have

1585
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 8: a very hard time hiding from the truth when he's

1586
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 8: been the one cheerleading this. So I feel sorry for

1587
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 8: mister chapin fag that he is being taken advantage of

1588
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 8: by the GHF. He doesn't even know what status he

1589
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 8: is in a country. He doesn't even know his visa status.

1590
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 8: You asked him that clearly and he didn't know. I mean, Anthony.

1591
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 2: That's why that's why we wanted to host both him

1592
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 2: and you. We all know there's there's limited access, certainly

1593
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 2: to the GHF sites. There's limited access from international and

1594
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 2: journalists into Gaza itself. So that's why we wanted to

1595
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 2: have him on and you on, and people can listen

1596
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 2: to him, listen to you, and they can make up

1597
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,759
Speaker 2: their minds about what they believe is happening on the ground.

1598
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:51,679
Speaker 2: And you know the claims that have been made about

1599
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 2: him and that he made about you. I want to

1600
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 2: ask you very specifically about a mirror And obviously you

1601
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 2: came on with us and another news outlets and you

1602
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 2: showed us pictures of a boy that you had a

1603
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 2: touching interaction with that you said, then you know, exited

1604
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 2: the AID distribution, you heard gunfire, and then you went

1605
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 2: and you visibly saw him and you know, he appeared lifeless.

1606
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 2: GHF is claiming that they have located this boy that

1607
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 2: you interacted with. We can put F one up on

1608
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 2: the screen. This is the Fox News Digital report and

1609
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 2: we asked obviously Chapin about this. This is the boy

1610
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 2: that they say you interacted with. They say his nickname

1611
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 2: is actually a Boode. He's asked here, you know, they're

1612
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 2: removing him from the Gaza Strip. They ask him what

1613
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 2: he thinks about that. He says outside the Gaza Strip

1614
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,839
Speaker 2: is nice. This is his mother. So a few things

1615
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 2: that they claim is that they were able to identify

1616
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 2: this boy through their relationship with the aid seekers on

1617
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 2: the ground, and they say that they used biometrics to

1618
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 2: confirm his identity as the same boy that you had

1619
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 2: that interaction with, and that we've all all seen the

1620
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 2: pictures of you know, what is your response And of

1621
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 2: course the reason they you know, the reason this is

1622
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 2: important is because they feel if they can rebut this

1623
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 2: explosive claim of yours that this child was killed near

1624
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 2: a GHF site, that that will undermine your credibility on

1625
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 2: all the claims that that you're making. So what is

1626
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 2: your response to, you know, to this reporting from Fox

1627
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: News Digital and the assertions from GHF.

1628
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 8: It is my firm belief that the young boy that

1629
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 8: they featured on this for August featurette is is not

1630
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 8: the boy that I spoke to that I engaged with

1631
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,759
Speaker 8: on the twenty eighth of May at distribution site number

1632
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 8: three in Gossam. Don't I don't believe the biometric confirmation piece.

1633
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 8: If they did, they would have shared it. If they

1634
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 8: had that, they would put it out. If they had that,

1635
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 8: they would surely give that as the smoking gun to

1636
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 8: prove that that it's him. The mother in one photo

1637
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 8: or in one scene, she's covered and then the next

1638
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 8: she's not. And when I asked could she be interviewed uncovered,

1639
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,839
Speaker 8: they said, well, that's culturally inappropriate, but she's uncovered in another.

1640
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 8: The story doesn't make sense. That is not a mirror

1641
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 8: that young boy. Though he looks similar, there are so

1642
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 8: many features that are different. He doesn't have the chipped

1643
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 8: front incisor so did they get him dental work, the

1644
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 8: scar on his forehead, the scar that this boy has

1645
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 8: on his forehead that a mirror didn't. The different size

1646
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 8: in the ears, the height, the stature, the hand gestures.

1647
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 8: It's not the same child. And what I would further

1648
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 8: ask is that the story of a mirror, in terms

1649
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 8: of this young boy coming to a distribution site, separated

1650
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 8: from his family. The woman that they feature there is

1651
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 8: not his mother, it's his stepmother. He's separated from his family,

1652
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 8: his father was killed in an airstrike, he was living

1653
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 8: in an encampment.

1654
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 6: I think the claim is that that is his mother,

1655
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 6: But Middle East Eye had interviewed his stepmother, and so

1656
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 6: there are a couple of other claims that GHF and

1657
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 6: also some some outlets have made that call into question

1658
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 6: the credible of the story. I want to get you

1659
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 6: to respond to those. One one being that you described

1660
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 6: being at an AID site that was closed on the

1661
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 6: day that you described being on that AID site. Two

1662
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 6: being that the video of the interactions shows a slightly

1663
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 6: shows a slightly different interaction than the one that you described,

1664
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 6: And three being that at different times, at different times,

1665
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 6: you've told different versions of the story. One version was

1666
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 6: that you saw his lifeless body and described the wounds

1667
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 6: that he had suffered, and in other versions you said

1668
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 6: you saw shooting in his direction and you believed that

1669
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 6: he had been killed. And that there's a discrepancy between

1670
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 6: those different version. So let's let's take those one by one.

1671
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe start with that most recent with the most

1672
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 6: recent one, like the discrepancies in the different versions that

1673
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 6: you had told.

1674
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, so discrepancy one in terms of the site in

1675
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 8: an interview, in my in my discussion, I said that

1676
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 8: it was at that it was at site number number

1677
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 8: two on the twenty eighth of May, and I have

1678
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 8: since not only corrected that, but I've said that in

1679
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 8: saying that it was site number two, it was site

1680
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 8: number three. That is a fact. Site number one, two,

1681
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 8: and three are all very close. And to say that

1682
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 8: site number two wasn't that that I said that he

1683
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 8: was at a site that wasn't open for two weeks,

1684
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 8: that's categorically false. Site two is open. Three days later,

1685
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 8: we were at site number two. And to remember, I

1686
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 8: went to all of the sites. I didn't just work

1687
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 8: site three and therefore, oh, you don't even know what

1688
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 8: site you're at. I worked all of the sites. So

1689
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 8: in that day, in that same day, in the afternoon

1690
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 8: of that exact same day, I was at site two

1691
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 8: because we were establishing the hookup for a generator to

1692
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 8: get the site running in operational. So mistaken in terms

1693
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 8: of when I said that I was at site number

1694
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 8: two on the twenty eighth of May for distribution. I

1695
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 8: was at site number two on the twenty eighth of May.

1696
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 8: The photo of me and a mirror and on that

1697
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 8: location is at distribution site number three, the communist site.

1698
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 8: That's a fact. I was at site number three. So

1699
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 8: forgive me for misspeaking two or three when both sites

1700
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 8: are about one hundred meters from each other. Ok So

1701
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 8: to the second point of the interaction, the video that

1702
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 8: was provided by this source, the Daily Wire, and remembers

1703
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 8: let's consider sources here. So the Daily Wire has what

1704
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 8: they called a bodycam footage of which did not come

1705
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 8: from me. I did not have a body cam. The

1706
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 8: contractor that was standing next to me that they said

1707
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 8: they got the footage from didn't have a didn't have

1708
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 8: a body cam. So if they're talking about what he

1709
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 8: and I individually took off of our iPhones as non

1710
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 8: professional photographers that were there just taking the scene. In

1711
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 8: the Daily Wire's publication of this engagement, when a mirror

1712
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 8: comes up to us and he clearly kisses the hand

1713
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,759
Speaker 8: of the contractor next to me, and he clearly turns

1714
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 8: to me and as I'm reaching out my hand to

1715
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 8: talk to him. The bodycam footage that the Daily Wire

1716
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 8: showed conveniently has eight seconds where that bodycam is not

1717
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 8: or the camera isn't facing towards myself in a mirror

1718
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,679
Speaker 8: in the conversation that we were having. I never said

1719
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 8: that that Amr and I had a conversation where we

1720
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 8: where we broke bread and we were together for hours.

1721
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 8: It was a very quick interaction. As I extended my

1722
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 8: right hand, he kissed my right hand. I placed my

1723
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 8: hands on his shoulder. You can see this in the

1724
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 8: pictures that I have of each step along the way.

1725
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:01,600
Speaker 8: In the video that the Daily Wire provided, they conveniently

1726
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 8: leave out eight seconds showing my interaction with a mirror.

1727
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 8: And I don't have that video because I took a

1728
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,959
Speaker 8: video of kind of the overall scene, not that particular interaction.

1729
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 8: So they have this video, they own it. I don't

1730
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,799
Speaker 8: have control over it. They won't release it to anybody,

1731
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 8: but they cut eight seconds out of it, which I

1732
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 8: think is a pretty important eight seconds. It shows that interaction.

1733
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 8: But regardless of the infinite details of the interaction. The

1734
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 8: interaction occurred on the third, on the twenty eighth of May,

1735
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 8: at Site number three. A mirror was a living boy.

1736
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 8: A mirr was a living human being who was at

1737
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 8: the site, who I spoke to, who was there with

1738
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 8: a meager amount of scraps of food that he picked

1739
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 8: up from the ground that can be clearly be seen

1740
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 8: by all. So the third point of discussion in terms

1741
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 8: of what I saw. So, each of the sites are

1742
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 8: surrounded on all four sides by a twenty foot burm.

1743
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 8: When I was engaging with a mirror from inside the site,

1744
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 8: I am on the inside side of that berm, just

1745
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 8: like every contractor is. We are not allowed, we are

1746
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 8: forbidden by the IDF to travel beyond the berm, beyond

1747
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 8: the wall, so to speak. We can't go outside of

1748
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 8: the sites. We can only stay on them, or at

1749
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 8: the towers or on the top of the berms. When

1750
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 8: the crowd was leaving, there was the small group of

1751
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 8: individuals left because as I've described before, with this large,

1752
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 8: massive crowd of people coming in and typically at the

1753
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 8: end where you have women and children that remain, a

1754
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 8: mirror was amongst them. You also sow in the pictures

1755
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 8: and videos there was another boy that was wearing a

1756
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 8: black shirt that was with him too, that was a

1757
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 8: little bit older. He was amongst them too, And they

1758
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 8: go and they're leaving the UG Solutions contractors at that point.

1759
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 8: Shortly thereafter, as they're saying bye to me and he

1760
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 8: looks back at me and they're going and I you know,

1761
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 8: distribution from my perspective was complete at that point. So

1762
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 8: I'm walking back towards the trucks to you know, see

1763
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 8: when we're leaving, shooting breaks out. The IDF began shooting. Now,

1764
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 8: remember this was only our second day of distribution. There

1765
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 8: was not a clear pattern of you know, this was

1766
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 8: all new to us. I was at site number one

1767
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 8: the day before, and on this distribution day, I'm at

1768
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 8: site number three. So when the IDF began shooting, to me,

1769
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 8: that seemed concerning because it was so close. The Markava

1770
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 8: tank that's parked outside of the exit to Site number three,

1771
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 8: where these people were leaving from, is very very close

1772
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 8: to the site. So when mister Faye was talking about

1773
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 8: the difference between a machine gun or a quaxle machine gun,

1774
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 8: I'd say, stay in your lane. You don't know what

1775
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 8: you're talking about. I was an infantry officer at Green

1776
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 8: Bray for twenty five years. I know the difference between

1777
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 8: coaxle dismounted machine guns. What fires off a tank and

1778
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 8: the Markava tank. So please anybody when he talks about

1779
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 8: the difference stream machine gun fire, like, at least give

1780
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 8: me that credibility. At least give me that that I

1781
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 8: understand what I'm talking about. So the machine gun fire

1782
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 8: from the Arkava tank was very close. So I went

1783
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 8: up to the berm, stood twenty feet high on this

1784
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 8: berm looking to the north, and it wasn't a kilometer away,

1785
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 8: as mister chapin Fay said, it was not a kilometer away.

1786
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 8: It was about one hundred and sixty meters away. And

1787
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 8: if anyone in the military has has has qualified on

1788
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 8: their weapon system, you know that you qualify on your

1789
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 8: weapon system with open sites, with the naked eye out

1790
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 8: to three hundred meters. So can you see that? Absolutely,

1791
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 8: you can see that. And what I saw, and what

1792
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 8: I'd like to further direct people's attention to is that

1793
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 8: if you look at the BEAP, if you watch the

1794
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 8: BBC interview between me and mister Jeremy Bowen that was

1795
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 8: on I think the twenty eighth or the twenty ninth

1796
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 8: of July, somewhere around that timeframe, you will see it

1797
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 8: opens up with Jeremy speaking very eloquently This may look

1798
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 8: like a battle scene, but it's not. This is a

1799
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 8: distribution site. That scene where Palestinians are lying on the

1800
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 8: ground and bullets are flying into them and hitting the

1801
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 8: road and flying over them. You could hear the bullets

1802
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 8: whizzing overhead. You can hear the bullets hitting into the crowd.

1803
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 8: That is the exact same intersection of the exit to

1804
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 8: Sit three where it tees into the Marague corridor and

1805
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 8: where you see them lying on the ground and you

1806
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,679
Speaker 8: see that piece of elevated dirt that is the Marague corridor.

1807
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:34,759
Speaker 8: That location where that was filmed, where Palestinians are taking

1808
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,959
Speaker 8: cover from machine gun fire, is that exact same location.

1809
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 8: That is the spot that I observed that day and

1810
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 8: off camera you don't see it. But the machine gun

1811
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,839
Speaker 8: fire that you hear that is coming from the coaxum

1812
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,480
Speaker 8: machine gun of the Markava tank that's at the intersection

1813
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 8: that was firing into the crowd, firing into that crowd

1814
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 8: to keep them going west. So as this group was leaving.

1815
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 8: Never have I said, I have never made the accusation

1816
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 8: that the IDF were waiting there with children in their sites,

1817
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 8: opening up with the machine gun at them. I think

1818
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 8: that there's probably some unethical momeral things going on, but

1819
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 8: I've never made that claim. What I claimed was that

1820
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,879
Speaker 8: the IDF we're shooting into the crowd for crowd control,

1821
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 8: as they had demonstrated in the past at Site number one.

1822
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 8: As this crowd is leaving and you have a machine

1823
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 8: gun that's firing, you can't see machine gun bullets fly

1824
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 8: through the air. So if I'm running down a road

1825
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,919
Speaker 8: and there's a machine gun, I don't see the bullets

1826
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 8: and can stop and know. So you have women and

1827
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 8: children who are leaving the site, frantic because they've been

1828
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 8: hit with stum grenades, in tear gas and pepper spray,

1829
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 8: and the UG Solutions contractors shooting in the air as

1830
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 8: Chapin described, and they're running, and you have the Markava

1831
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 8: tank sitting outside the position that is shooting its machine

1832
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 8: gun that cannot see the exit because of the berm

1833
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 8: next to the t and as that machine gun was shooting,

1834
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,640
Speaker 8: and these people were leaving and they ran into that

1835
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 8: hail of gunfire at that exact intersection that's described in

1836
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 8: that BBC video. People fell to the ground. People hit

1837
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 8: the ground when a mirror the boy that I was

1838
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 8: looking at when he fell to the ground. He didn't

1839
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 8: fall to the ground like someone that was taking cover

1840
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 8: or someone that was, you know, taking a knee and

1841
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 8: scared and getting down. He dropped to the ground. And

1842
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 8: when a seven six two millimeter bullet hits a human being,

1843
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 8: it is the drop to the ground is not something

1844
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 8: that you know, it's like, it's not in the like

1845
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 8: in the movies where there's this dramatic oh you got

1846
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 8: you dropped to the ground. And that's what happened to

1847
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 8: that young boy. And I am confident I believe, and

1848
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:47,440
Speaker 8: I firmly believe that his body, like hundreds of others,

1849
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 8: is buried in the dirt outside of that site because

1850
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 8: every time, every time we did distribution, at the end

1851
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 8: of every distribution, the IDF would move through escorted by tanks.

1852
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 8: I have this on photo, I have videos of it

1853
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 8: escorted by tanks with their bulldozers to bulldoze the whole area.

1854
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 8: And they would do this after every distribution. So you

1855
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 8: also heard from a contractor that did an interview with

1856
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 8: CBS about two weeks ago talking about how the sites,

1857
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 8: how he was directed as a truck driver to pick

1858
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 8: up body parts and would see the IDF burying the

1859
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,600
Speaker 8: bodies outside of the sites. That individual was not me.

1860
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:32,640
Speaker 8: That was not me, That is an entirely different contractor.

1861
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 8: So it is my belief that a Mer's body, like

1862
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 8: many is buried in the dirt outside of Site number three,

1863
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:50,759
Speaker 8: and that the Safe Reach Solutions and GHF put great

1864
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 8: effort into using biometrics. And I also have concerns that

1865
01:37:56,240 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 8: DoD US DoD assets were leveraged to do this based

1866
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,560
Speaker 8: on the position of one of the people within SRS

1867
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 8: and his correspondence back to members of the Joint Special

1868
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 8: Operations Command. So this is being looked into. So with

1869
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,680
Speaker 8: the assets that were applied to this to find a

1870
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 8: boy that looks like Amir, they put great effort into it.

1871
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 8: And I have a couple questions that I'd like to

1872
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 8: ask them that I don't know if they'd ever answer,

1873
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,639
Speaker 8: which I did ask them. Fox News Digital reached out

1874
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 8: to me and said, do you have a response? You

1875
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 8: have until ten PM, and I responded to it in

1876
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 8: great detail, and I got no response back from them,

1877
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 8: nor did they consider anything of what I said. Your

1878
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 8: platform and other platforms whenever they have questions and they

1879
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 8: reach out to GHF for clarification to rebuttal. You always

1880
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 8: consider what they've said in your follow on questions or

1881
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 8: your questions to me or others. Why doesn't Fox Digital

1882
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 8: do that? Is it because Chapin Fay used to work

1883
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 8: for them. I don't know. That's for the audience to decide.

1884
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:01,719
Speaker 8: But when you look at the outlets that they choose

1885
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,599
Speaker 8: to give their information to The Daily Wire, Fox News Digital,

1886
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 8: it's it raises questions. But if they found this boy,

1887
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:13,719
Speaker 8: if they found a mirror on the twenty third of August,

1888
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 8: they didn't come forward that he had been found until

1889
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 8: the fourth of September. The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation does not

1890
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 8: have the authority to investigate, detain hold, or or safe

1891
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 8: keep any any Palestinian period. They do not have the authority.

1892
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 8: There are there's tourists. So what they did was kidnapping.

1893
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 8: What they did was then send the young boy out

1894
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 8: of the country. And if Gaza is so dangerous that

1895
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 8: they had to take a young boy and get him

1896
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 8: out of the country, why don't they do that for

1897
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 8: every child? If Gaza is so dangerous, why can't they

1898
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 8: do that for every child?

1899
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 6: What they were saying is that they were worried. This

1900
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 6: is their wording that they were worried that Hamas would

1901
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 6: find him and find him still being alive to be

1902
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 6: damaging to their messaging because it would undermine your credibility

1903
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 6: if he was found alive, so that they were worried

1904
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 6: that then Hamas would go out and kill him in

1905
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 6: order to kind of buttress your credibility. One thing that

1906
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:26,600
Speaker 6: to me lends credibility to the GHF claim is that

1907
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 6: the family structure that they describe for a Boode is

1908
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 6: similar to the family structure that as we understand it

1909
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 6: with the Mirror. And so I'm curious what your interactions

1910
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 6: with the Emir's family have been like and what you

1911
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 6: can and would you be willing to, you know, speak

1912
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 6: with a Bude in order to try to determine because

1913
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 6: would you think if you, if you could do a

1914
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 6: zoom call with the Boode, that you'd be able to

1915
01:40:56,600 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 6: then determine to your satisfaction whether or not this is

1916
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 6: the same same boy.

1917
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 8: Oh absolutely if I and I and I have I

1918
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:08,640
Speaker 8: have asked for that opportunity, and you know, there's just

1919
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 8: some clear indicators of the of the young boy about

1920
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 8: and I have I have no doubt, I have zero

1921
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 8: doubt at all that that young boy who they have

1922
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 8: is a Palestinian boy who is probably at one of

1923
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 8: the sites at one point, who whose name is probably

1924
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,640
Speaker 8: a Bout. I have no doubt that young boy is

1925
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 8: who he is, But he is not a mirror. The

1926
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 8: scar on his clavicle magically disappeared, a new scar on

1927
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 8: his forehead, he had dental work, his ears are different sites.

1928
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 8: I am quite confident that that is not a mirror.

1929
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,679
Speaker 8: And if I have the opportunity to speak to him,

1930
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:44,640
Speaker 8: if anybody had the opportunity to speak to him, I

1931
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 8: think it would be clear. Why can nobody talk to him?

1932
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,759
Speaker 8: Why you would think that they would want independent journalists.

1933
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 8: They're interviewing him and showing the world, but yet they

1934
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 8: provide us these grainy videos that they have that GHF.

1935
01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 8: When you ask GHF, what's your source? Well we are,

1936
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:03,440
Speaker 8: We're our own source. Okay, Well that's that's not very transparent,

1937
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 8: mister Chapin Fay, who wants transparency, Let others talk to him.

1938
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 8: Let me I'm the only so the The other thing

1939
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 8: is that out of the people they had there, Chape

1940
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 8: and Fay, he's never met a mirror. He wouldn't know

1941
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 8: the difference between a mirror. And and the boy next door,

1942
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:20,519
Speaker 8: he's never seen him. The aid workers, these humanitarian workers

1943
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 8: that they had that they featured in this video at

1944
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 8: one of them is not a humanitarian worker. He's a contractor.

1945
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 8: He's a contractor who has been accused of assault, who's

1946
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 8: still working there. He's not an aid worker. He's never

1947
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 8: seen a he's never seen a mirror either. The other

1948
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 8: person that's working at the site, she she is not

1949
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 8: an aid worker. In fact, that individual and I'm not

1950
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,600
Speaker 8: going to say her name because they accused me of

1951
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 8: wanting to you know, dock somebody, but anybody can look

1952
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 8: it up. That individual there, that the that is in

1953
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:55,679
Speaker 8: the picture, not this particular picture, but the one with

1954
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 8: a bood.

1955
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 5: She was.

1956
01:42:57,400 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 8: She was kicked out of the West Bank by the

1957
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 8: IDF for for having for being pro Hamas or having

1958
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 8: connections to Hamas. They kicked her out of the West Bank,

1959
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:09,320
Speaker 8: and then she shows up at IDF or GHF looking

1960
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 8: for a job. That person, then you have the other

1961
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:16,960
Speaker 8: you know, the who I will mention her name because

1962
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 8: she's already she's she's already been identified. But Jennifer Counter,

1963
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 8: she's not a humanitarian aid worker. She was a career

1964
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 8: covert case officer in the CIA who now works for GHF,

1965
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 8: who was the vice president of operations for Orbis that

1966
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 8: runs the engine software for the biometrics that GHF is

1967
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 8: using in country. Put all these pieces together. These aren't

1968
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 8: humanitarian workers, and none of them, none of them, have

1969
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:46,720
Speaker 8: ever seen a mirror. Why not bring the contractor that

1970
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 8: was with me on the site that day?

1971
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 5: Why not?

1972
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 8: Why not interview.

1973
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,799
Speaker 4: Him and Anthony?

1974
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 2: Just to go back to Ryan's question, there were there

1975
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 2: were additional questions raised about the timeline because I believe

1976
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 2: it was twenty ninth that you had the interaction with

1977
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 2: a mirror that there you know, there's photographic evidence of

1978
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 2: which we just had May twenty eighth, there was a

1979
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 2: report that his mother or stepmother I'm sorry, I'm not

1980
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:18,759
Speaker 2: sure which one. Stepmother said that no, no, he didn't

1981
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:24,600
Speaker 2: go missing until July, so, you know which obviously he

1982
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 2: would not coincide with him having been killed on that

1983
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:28,679
Speaker 2: day May twenty eighth.

1984
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 4: Did you speak with the family.

1985
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:34,680
Speaker 2: What is your understanding of why there is that confusion

1986
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:35,560
Speaker 2: and discrepancy.

1987
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 8: I not only spoke with the stepmother and the uncle,

1988
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 8: but I also spoke with the the mother. And again

1989
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 8: these are all what we're assuming to be these relationships.

1990
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 8: There's no verification, but we're going with with what's been

1991
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 8: said and who's been said. Out of all those individuals,

1992
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 8: between the stepmother, the mother, and the uncle, no one

1993
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 8: has ever demonstrated to me verification that they even know

1994
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 8: or have a relationship with the boy. However, in taking

1995
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,839
Speaker 8: their word for it and saying that dates so to speak,

1996
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 8: the step mother. So the overall situation is young Amir

1997
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 8: lived with his mother and father in Communist the city,

1998
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,200
Speaker 8: the city of Communists, when it was bombed and they

1999
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:20,560
Speaker 8: were forced out. His father was killed and he was

2000
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:23,599
Speaker 8: separated from his mother in the evacuation when they moved

2001
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:26,719
Speaker 8: them all to the Communist camp. So not Communist city,

2002
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 8: but Communist un camp. A family took him in. The

2003
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 8: mother that says, his stepmother is not a stepmother by

2004
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 8: any type of formal familial connection. They took him in.

2005
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 8: On the twenty eighth of May, he and his uncle

2006
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 8: who I talked to, who I spoke with, were going

2007
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 8: to Cite number three to get aid to bring back

2008
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,679
Speaker 8: to the family. At the intersection of the Marou Corridor

2009
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 8: in the coastal corridor, where the crowd was being held

2010
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 8: on that morning. When they started shooting at the crowd

2011
01:45:57,080 --> 01:46:00,719
Speaker 8: to hold them back, the crowd panicked and was separated

2012
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,919
Speaker 8: from his uncle. His uncle didn't make it through.

2013
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 7: This.

2014
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 8: Many people can come line when the crowd was released.

2015
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 8: Amir did and he was with the crowd when he

2016
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 8: showed up to the site. He had no one. There

2017
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 8: was no parent, no uncle, no family, no brothers, no siblings,

2018
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 8: no one. The boy in the black shirt that was

2019
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,559
Speaker 8: there even said like this, he doesn't know where his

2020
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 8: family is. So the mother that had said that, well,

2021
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 8: he didn't go separate missing until the twenty ninth of July.

2022
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:33,800
Speaker 8: It's quite interesting to me that the mother that only

2023
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 8: GHF says they talked to who is concealed, happens to

2024
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 8: say that the day that he went missing is the

2025
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 8: same day that they decided to then do their next

2026
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 8: smear campaign story. So that's one data point. But to

2027
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 8: the point she also said, the stepmother also said that

2028
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 8: her son wasn't at Site number three on the twenty

2029
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 8: eighth of May. Okay, Well, I have pictures and videos

2030
01:46:57,720 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 8: of the boy that I talked to on the twenty

2031
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 8: eighth of May, so if her son or who she's

2032
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 8: missing may have been a bood was not at Site

2033
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 8: number three on the twenty eighth of May. Well, then

2034
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 8: that's not a mirror, and we're not talking about the

2035
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:17,759
Speaker 8: same person. Furthermore, GHF has already used their UNO card,

2036
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 8: their reverse UNO card of oh, the boy's still alive

2037
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 8: on the twenty ninth of May when they made I

2038
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:26,400
Speaker 8: was sitting in your studio. As a matter of fact,

2039
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 8: when we talked about their claims, where they said from

2040
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 8: the attorney, mister Dave Panzer who says, oh, mister Aguilar

2041
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:38,000
Speaker 8: claims that on the twenty eighth of May he saw

2042
01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 8: this young boy and that this young boy died. Well,

2043
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:42,680
Speaker 8: here's a picture of the same boy the following day

2044
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 8: at the same site. He's not dead. So they already

2045
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 8: claimed that he was still alive then. And to be clear,

2046
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 8: both of those pictures, the picture that I have of

2047
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:54,080
Speaker 8: a mirror and the picture that I have of the

2048
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 8: other boy they said was a mirror, are not from

2049
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:58,840
Speaker 8: the same site. I took both of those pictures. I

2050
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:01,439
Speaker 8: have the metadata. One picture was taken from Site number

2051
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:03,719
Speaker 8: three on the twenty eighth of May. The other picture

2052
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 8: was taken at Site number four on the second of June.

2053
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 8: There is no way, because of the restrictions in the

2054
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:12,680
Speaker 8: movement to the military corridors between Rafa and conunis to

2055
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 8: beige that anybody, any Palestinian that was at Site one,

2056
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 8: two or three. There's no way they could have been

2057
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 8: at Site number four. So that is not the same boy.

2058
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 8: And and them saying that they've already they've already made

2059
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 8: that claim. So now twice twice now they've said, well,

2060
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:33,800
Speaker 8: lam're still alive, and here he is. And on both

2061
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 8: occasions it's two different boys. So it and and I

2062
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:42,639
Speaker 8: can tell you, like I have children, when you look

2063
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 8: at your children, you know different, Like the boy that

2064
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:52,439
Speaker 8: they have in their featurette is not a mirror. It

2065
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:56,160
Speaker 8: is not similar. Yes, And what I would like to

2066
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:59,679
Speaker 8: keep in mind with everybody is that we're talking about

2067
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:05,080
Speaker 8: an organization that is run by the CIA, that in

2068
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 8: it has an absolute motive to discredit me because of

2069
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 8: what I know and what I've seen and the facts

2070
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 8: that I have. The only way out they have from

2071
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 8: from war crimes and prison and being investigated by the

2072
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:22,519
Speaker 8: government is to make people believe that I'm not credible

2073
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 8: as a witness. That's there that's their their their strategy.

2074
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:28,040
Speaker 8: And what I would ask everybody to look through this

2075
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:33,639
Speaker 8: deeply is that look at the pictures. They don't look alike.

2076
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 8: They're not the same child. But even if even if

2077
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 8: they even if it were, even if it were, it

2078
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:49,240
Speaker 8: does not change the fact that Now, now, perhaps they

2079
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:51,479
Speaker 8: say that that is Okay, let's just say, for for

2080
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:54,360
Speaker 8: sake of the GHF argument, that that is a mirror.

2081
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 8: Like we can biometric DNA testing, it's beyond a doubt

2082
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,479
Speaker 8: that is him. Okay, got it? Well, then what happened

2083
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 8: to the child that was killed at ATS Site number

2084
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:07,080
Speaker 8: three on the twenty eighth of May along with the others,

2085
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:10,120
Speaker 8: Because a child and children and women and were killed.

2086
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 8: So was it the boy in the black shirt? Then

2087
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 8: was it the other little boy and children that were there?

2088
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:18,559
Speaker 8: So they keep coming out with these, oh, well, here's

2089
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 8: a mirror. Okay, Well, then where is he? Oh? On

2090
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 8: the twenty ninth of May, we talked to the mother

2091
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 8: and the mother said he wasn't never there. But then

2092
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:28,040
Speaker 8: here's the amir that she says, and none of the

2093
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 8: names match. Okay, Well, then what seems to me is

2094
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 8: that there's not just one kid that's missing. There's two

2095
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 8: kids that are missing, and now they're coming out and

2096
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:37,639
Speaker 8: saying like, oh, a mer's alive. Here he is okay. Well,

2097
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 8: then there's potentially three kids that have been murdered and missing,

2098
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 8: so that their argument makes no sense. And it is deeply,

2099
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 8: deeply concerning to me that they think that this parading

2100
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:56,799
Speaker 8: of a boy they found alive, that that makes everything okay.

2101
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 6: Another argument that they've made that they say undermines your

2102
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:07,000
Speaker 6: credibility is that you're a discrownalded employee who basically wanted

2103
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 6: to kind of shake them down and threaten them and

2104
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 6: threaten to take take them apart or destroy them if

2105
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 6: they didn't meet your demands. I think let's play. I

2106
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 6: think F three is from them.

2107
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:24,360
Speaker 1: As late as July fourth, mister Aguiler informed UG leadership

2108
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:30,680
Speaker 1: he submitted a new application for work in Gozam. He

2109
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 1: wrote to the company on June fourteenth, quote, I do

2110
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:39,600
Speaker 1: not want to leave. I understand that my current contract

2111
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:45,360
Speaker 1: as the Jaytalk operator is terminated. Fine, but I can

2112
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:48,759
Speaker 1: be put on a new contract. If other personnel liking

2113
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:51,599
Speaker 1: that or not is the fear, then UG is being

2114
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:55,879
Speaker 1: held hostage. I can be of huge value to this company.

2115
01:51:56,160 --> 01:52:00,640
Speaker 1: And contract take advantage of me as an asset, and

2116
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 1: mister Aguiler threatened UG Solutions with retribution if he wasn't

2117
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:06,920
Speaker 1: hired back and so the next day, on July fifteenth,

2118
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:10,640
Speaker 1: he wrote that he could be quote your best friend

2119
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:15,320
Speaker 1: or your worst nightmare. Stop effing around, put me back

2120
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 1: to work, and let's get this mission done. In a

2121
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:23,759
Speaker 1: June twenty first message, mister Aguiler cited his personal family

2122
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 1: needs when begging to be rehired. Mister Aguiler ended the

2123
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:31,680
Speaker 1: message with quote, figure something out or on on a

2124
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 1: plane come Tuesday, and the gloves are off. On May

2125
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:41,680
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, mister Aguiler described a signal message distributed a

2126
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 1: signal message praising UG Solutions, and he said quote delivering

2127
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:50,559
Speaker 1: and distributing three hundred and eighteen point three tons of

2128
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:55,559
Speaker 1: humanitarian aid to a starving and displaced population, wrote sentiment

2129
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:58,280
Speaker 1: in the media, despite whatever people may think about the

2130
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 1: politics of the situation, your presence meaning ug's presence, GHF's

2131
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 1: presence is seen as a good thing. On the same day,

2132
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 1: mister Aguiler wrote to UG Solutions leadership, this is a

2133
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 1: very rewarding mission. I'm excited every day. These are the

2134
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 1: relevant times during which mister Aguilar was claiming to have

2135
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:23,679
Speaker 1: sent a memo to the company's raising issues. On May

2136
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 1: thirty one, he shared a similar sentiment with his colleagues,

2137
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 1: and he wrote to them, be proud, be humble. You

2138
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:34,400
Speaker 1: were making a difference in the future of this region

2139
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:36,879
Speaker 1: and geopolitics around the globe.

2140
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 6: So I mean, don't they make a fair point that

2141
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:42,240
Speaker 6: you threatened them that the gloves would come off if

2142
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 6: they didn't give you your job back. They didn't give

2143
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,240
Speaker 6: you the job back, and now the gloves are off.

2144
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 6: How do you respond to that?

2145
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 8: The separate signal message on the gloves are off in

2146
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:59,120
Speaker 8: your worst nightmare was not pertaining to my employment. It

2147
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:03,840
Speaker 8: was pertaining to my charges of assault against the UG

2148
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 8: Solutions operations officer, the gentleman name named mo Katab, who

2149
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 8: assaulted me, who called me a quote unquote p p

2150
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:20,919
Speaker 8: word pussy, called me a coward, and after I resigned

2151
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 8: and slapped me and broke my phone. The conversation there

2152
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:27,960
Speaker 8: with the gloves are off or that I can be

2153
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:32,920
Speaker 8: your worst nightmare is that when the UG Solutions Chief

2154
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 8: Operations Officer, corporate mister Nate Potter contacted me to tell

2155
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 8: me we're going to pay for your phone. We're going

2156
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:42,920
Speaker 8: to do an investigation. They even sent me this nice

2157
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 8: formal letter thanking me for my hard work in telling

2158
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 8: me they were going to investigate. And I told them

2159
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:52,600
Speaker 8: before I leave Israel, we are going to sit down

2160
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:56,240
Speaker 8: and we're going to have a discussion, the leadership, mister

2161
01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 8: Katab and me, and we're going to discuss one that

2162
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 8: you know, I want an apology. You don't slap some

2163
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:07,480
Speaker 8: You know, we're adults. You don't slap somebody because you

2164
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 8: don't agree with them too. Some type of consequence or action.

2165
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 8: He should have been fired or at least, you know,

2166
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:18,800
Speaker 8: an investigation done. And their response to me was that

2167
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:22,720
Speaker 8: we investigated and we agree that you know, he didn't

2168
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 8: hit you that hard. That was their response. So my

2169
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:29,880
Speaker 8: position to them was that you have an employee in

2170
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:34,800
Speaker 8: a senior position that assaulted another employee, meaning he assaulting me,

2171
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 8: and you're doing nothing about it. You can address it

2172
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 8: here as a company, or when I get home to

2173
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 8: North Carolina, I will be filing criminal charges against this

2174
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:49,160
Speaker 8: individual and the company for negligence in allowing it to happen.

2175
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 8: You cannot get away.

2176
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 6: You seem also to be asking for your job back

2177
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 6: or to extend your contract.

2178
01:55:56,120 --> 01:56:00,280
Speaker 8: So the contract job that in the discussion there is

2179
01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:03,120
Speaker 8: I resigned on the on the thirteenth, I resigned in

2180
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:07,520
Speaker 8: writing uh, Safe Each Solutions upon my resignation. So the

2181
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 8: so what what mister chapin Fay said that Safe Each

2182
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:13,680
Speaker 8: Solutions is like the logistics company. That that's not true.

2183
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:17,280
Speaker 8: Safe Each Solutions is the prime contract. Safe Each Solutions

2184
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:19,720
Speaker 8: is the one that receives the money from the Israeli

2185
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,360
Speaker 8: government from co GOT to pay for each of the aspects.

2186
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 8: UG Solutions is under Safe Each Solutions.

2187
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:28,880
Speaker 2: Which which they deny by the way, well that they

2188
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 2: receive is reelly funding.

2189
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 8: Well, here's the thing though, mister Chapin Fay denies that

2190
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:38,280
Speaker 8: GHF receives funding. GHF does not receive funding from co GOT.

2191
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 8: S r S directly receives the money from co GOT,

2192
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:44,040
Speaker 8: and I know they do because we we were there

2193
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 8: when we had our on the second day of being

2194
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,800
Speaker 8: in country, when we were supposed to receive our weapons

2195
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:53,480
Speaker 8: and they weren't there. I I was partially in charge

2196
01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:55,240
Speaker 8: of trying to figure out how to get them and

2197
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 8: what we had. What we had come to realize was

2198
01:56:57,120 --> 01:56:59,800
Speaker 8: that co GOT had not yet released the funds to

2199
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 8: say Freach Solutions for us to purchase the weapons. So CogAT,

2200
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:07,960
Speaker 8: which is the Israeli government Ministry of Defense, is absolutely

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01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:12,320
Speaker 8: one paying Safe Each Solutions. They have a contract. They

2202
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:14,960
Speaker 8: have a contract. So for chapin Fay to say that

2203
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:20,360
Speaker 8: GHF isn't accepting money, okay, GHF isn't. GHF can't accept

2204
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:22,880
Speaker 8: any money. They have no agency is a thing. They

2205
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 8: don't exist. Safe Each Solutions and you try to play

2206
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:30,200
Speaker 8: it off by this old logistics company. Safe Reach Solutions

2207
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 8: is the prime contract holder. Safe Freach Solutions and the

2208
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 8: Gods of Humanitarian Foundation are owned by the same equity firm,

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01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:42,920
Speaker 8: management company out of Wyoming. They are the same thing,

2210
01:57:43,360 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 8: just of two different names. However, Safereach Solutions receives the

2211
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:55,960
Speaker 8: money directly, but not so safe Freach Solutions offered me

2212
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 8: and I have these I have these messages as well

2213
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:00,000
Speaker 8: that they have that they that they refuse to provide

2214
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:04,840
Speaker 8: that they offered me a job to stay. They said,

2215
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:08,280
Speaker 8: you're valuable. We want to put you in a position

2216
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 8: at Safe Each Solutions to be in charge of the sites.

2217
01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:14,560
Speaker 8: And at that point I had said to them, well,

2218
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:16,400
Speaker 8: there's a lot of things that got to be fixed,

2219
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:20,440
Speaker 8: one including to where this relationship with the IDF in

2220
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:24,440
Speaker 8: terms of like who you said, where their client? Well,

2221
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:27,280
Speaker 8: that's you know we are, but you know we still

2222
01:58:27,320 --> 01:58:30,240
Speaker 8: have some we can still have control of things. So

2223
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 8: when they offered me on the thirteenth, Safe Each Solutions,

2224
01:58:34,120 --> 01:58:37,520
Speaker 8: after I tended my resignation, Kevin Sullivan, vice president of

2225
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 8: operations for Safety Solutions, who was in country in Israel,

2226
01:58:41,480 --> 01:58:45,640
Speaker 8: offered me a job that was then verified through Safe

2227
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:48,000
Speaker 8: Reach that yes, we want you to work for us.

2228
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,480
Speaker 8: Then on the fourteenth, Iran Iraq war kicks off people,

2229
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:55,000
Speaker 8: or Iran Israel war kicks off people, forget that. On

2230
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:58,080
Speaker 8: the fourteenth, when missiles start flying, everything kind of went

2231
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:00,760
Speaker 8: into this hold. We didn't know if we were going

2232
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:02,400
Speaker 8: to continue. We didn't know if we were going to

2233
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 8: be allowed to go back into Gaza, we didn't know

2234
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:09,200
Speaker 8: if the contract was continue. Everything went on hold. Safe

2235
01:59:09,200 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 8: Each Solutions through UG Solutions said while we're all waiting here,

2236
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:16,560
Speaker 8: we want you to work for us. We're going to

2237
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:18,800
Speaker 8: continue to pay you. We're going to continue to pay

2238
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 8: for your hotel, We're going to continue to pay for

2239
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:23,080
Speaker 8: all your expenses. And then at the point when I

2240
01:59:23,120 --> 01:59:27,440
Speaker 8: said I'm done. On the twenty second of June in

2241
01:59:27,600 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 8: Israeli or excuse me, in Iranian missile hit the hotel

2242
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:33,760
Speaker 8: next door to us and caused a lot of catties

2243
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:37,280
Speaker 8: and I was like, I'm not hanging around in Beersheva

2244
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:39,080
Speaker 8: waiting to get hit by a missile. I'm ready to

2245
01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:42,600
Speaker 8: go home. They then offered to pay for everything and

2246
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:46,720
Speaker 8: then sent me this nicely worded letter asking me to

2247
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:50,400
Speaker 8: consider working for them again. Their position of that I'm

2248
01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:53,240
Speaker 8: disgruntled is to discredit me by making think that I

2249
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:56,400
Speaker 8: have this vendetta against GHF or UG solutions. I don't

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01:59:56,400 --> 02:00:00,440
Speaker 8: have a vendetta against GHF or UG solutions. For them

2251
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:04,400
Speaker 8: to say that I'm disgruntled, I will agree with that genocide,

2252
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:10,760
Speaker 8: the murdering of children, starving people disgruntles me. It absolutely does.

2253
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:14,800
Speaker 8: I'm disgruntled at the fact that they've taken what could

2254
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:18,120
Speaker 8: be a good mission in feeding people and have chosen

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Speaker 8: to do it in a way that's just simply leading

2256
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:26,840
Speaker 8: to the forced displacement of an entire population. Four The

2257
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:29,640
Speaker 8: discussion of the sites where the sites are located four

2258
02:00:29,720 --> 02:00:33,000
Speaker 8: hundred sites versus three sites. What chape and faded failed

2259
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 8: to mension is that out of their four sites, the

2260
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 8: one in central Gaza that's now shut down means that

2261
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:42,520
Speaker 8: the only existing sites, the two that exist are all

2262
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:46,080
Speaker 8: the way in the south to the furthest possible part

2263
02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:49,120
Speaker 8: of the south you can get to. And that diagram

2264
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:52,280
Speaker 8: of the resort. And I have a photo that I'm

2265
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:53,920
Speaker 8: going to share with you all after this because it's

2266
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:56,600
Speaker 8: breaking on another outlet, but I will provide it to you.

2267
02:00:57,000 --> 02:01:00,960
Speaker 8: There is a picture of the UG Solutions contractors on

2268
02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:03,560
Speaker 8: site in a big group photo with a sign that

2269
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:10,080
Speaker 8: says Gaza Lago Trump twenty twenty eight, and they're all

2270
02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:15,520
Speaker 8: on the site. The picture that the Boston Consulting Group

2271
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:20,840
Speaker 8: BCG's picture of what the resort will look like, the riviera,

2272
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:25,360
Speaker 8: the resort, the Elon Musk Technical Park, the innovation center.

2273
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:29,960
Speaker 8: In this beautiful rendering of a future future Gaza. That

2274
02:01:30,120 --> 02:01:34,320
Speaker 8: thing is printed in about a thirty six by twenty

2275
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:37,360
Speaker 8: poster size and is on the wall of the operation

2276
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:40,880
Speaker 8: center at Safe Reach Solutions, the operation center that runs

2277
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:45,360
Speaker 8: operations into Gaza. They know exactly what this is about.

2278
02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:46,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, please do, Senate.

2279
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:50,120
Speaker 2: And by the way, BCG has distanced themselves from the

2280
02:01:50,200 --> 02:01:51,200
Speaker 2: alls activity.

2281
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:52,480
Speaker 4: So we'll just put that out there.

2282
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 2: I want to give you some of the specifics of

2283
02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:59,200
Speaker 2: what GHF is asserting against you, some of the additional specifics.

2284
02:01:59,200 --> 02:02:02,920
Speaker 2: They say, on teenth you were informed your contract was terminated.

2285
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:05,840
Speaker 2: They say you were removed from Gaza at that point

2286
02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:07,880
Speaker 2: in state in Israel, while your movement back to the

2287
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:11,280
Speaker 2: US was coordinated. They say you then immediately requested your

2288
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:14,240
Speaker 2: job back. On June fourteenth, they say that you wrote

2289
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:17,400
Speaker 2: to leadership asked them to quote reconsider, and offered that

2290
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:21,080
Speaker 2: you would quote work in any capacity. On June fifteenth,

2291
02:02:21,120 --> 02:02:23,720
Speaker 2: they say, you demanded we need to work something out

2292
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:26,280
Speaker 2: for me to sign a new contract. And then they

2293
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:29,920
Speaker 2: say you proposed multiple courses of action to continue your

2294
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,960
Speaker 2: work for the foundation's subcontractor in a different capacity.

2295
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:36,640
Speaker 8: Yes, the conversation about the new contract. So is it

2296
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:39,680
Speaker 8: a fact that my contract with UG Solutions as an

2297
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:44,720
Speaker 8: independent contractor in the position of joint taxle Operations team

2298
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:49,320
Speaker 8: leader and director of Operations, was that contract terminated. That's

2299
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:54,440
Speaker 8: a fact. On the thirteenth of June, I rendered my resignation.

2300
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:57,080
Speaker 8: I terminated my contract period.

2301
02:02:57,280 --> 02:02:57,800
Speaker 5: I have that.

2302
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:03,280
Speaker 8: I have that documentation. UG Solutions never serviced me with

2303
02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:07,120
Speaker 8: any type of termination or you're terminated or this and

2304
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 8: that or whatever, and if they did, please please UG Solutions,

2305
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:14,720
Speaker 8: if you fired me, please provide me with the documentation.

2306
02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:18,480
Speaker 8: I would love to have the documentation that you fired me.

2307
02:03:19,160 --> 02:03:22,240
Speaker 8: They refuse to provide it. They don't have it because

2308
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:26,400
Speaker 8: they didn't terminate me the contract. Talking about resigning a

2309
02:03:26,440 --> 02:03:30,120
Speaker 8: new contract was a conversation between myself Kevin Sullivan, say

2310
02:03:30,160 --> 02:03:34,560
Speaker 8: for each Solutions Operations director, because they they asked me

2311
02:03:35,120 --> 02:03:38,440
Speaker 8: to reconsider, and I told them my clear conditions for

2312
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:41,680
Speaker 8: reconsidering would be one. The current person in charge of

2313
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:45,960
Speaker 8: the contract in country, mister Johnny Taz Moulford, who is

2314
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:49,640
Speaker 8: the national Chapter president of the Infidel's Motorcycle Club, needs

2315
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:52,480
Speaker 8: to go. If you want me to stay and continue

2316
02:03:52,520 --> 02:03:55,040
Speaker 8: to be a part of this operation. We cannot have

2317
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:59,440
Speaker 8: an individual that proclaims to fight jihad and to annihilate

2318
02:03:59,480 --> 02:04:03,000
Speaker 8: all muscles on earth be in charge of distributing food

2319
02:04:03,120 --> 02:04:08,320
Speaker 8: into GASA. He needs to go. The quote or the

2320
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:14,000
Speaker 8: statement about your being held hostage was my statement to

2321
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:16,800
Speaker 8: UG Solutions because their response to me was that we

2322
02:04:16,840 --> 02:04:20,760
Speaker 8: can't fire Molford. Half the people here he hired if

2323
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:25,560
Speaker 8: we fire him, they'll go too. They're right, because everyone

2324
02:04:25,680 --> 02:04:29,600
Speaker 8: he hired are chapter members of the Infidel's Motorcycle Club.

2325
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:33,800
Speaker 8: They're being held hostage by the leader of a motorcycle club.

2326
02:04:34,120 --> 02:04:37,680
Speaker 8: So when I gave them my conditions that I will

2327
02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:40,360
Speaker 8: stay and I will be in charge of the sites,

2328
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:43,200
Speaker 8: I will dictate in terms of, you know, from an

2329
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:46,760
Speaker 8: operations perspective, how much aid we deliver, that we are

2330
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:49,320
Speaker 8: going to start delivering water, that we will have a

2331
02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:52,360
Speaker 8: rules of engagement, that there will be a standard operating

2332
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:56,480
Speaker 8: procedures for how we do distribution. Under the condition that

2333
02:04:56,560 --> 02:05:01,400
Speaker 8: Johnny Moulford leaves. Well, no, we can't have that, can't

2334
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:04,520
Speaker 8: have that happen, can't get rid of him. So that

2335
02:05:04,680 --> 02:05:07,320
Speaker 8: my position on that was, like, you know, you offered

2336
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:10,080
Speaker 8: me to stay, you offered me in writing to stay

2337
02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:12,320
Speaker 8: and work for you, and I've given you my conditions

2338
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:15,400
Speaker 8: and you're unwilling to meet them, then I'm not going

2339
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:17,960
Speaker 8: to stay here. I'm not going to work for Safe

2340
02:05:18,040 --> 02:05:22,120
Speaker 8: Rey Solutions or UG Solutions or the GHF if they're

2341
02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:25,360
Speaker 8: going to continue with a with at the time seemed

2342
02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:27,640
Speaker 8: to me ignorance and incompetence.

2343
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:31,680
Speaker 6: Do you still have those messages. Oh yeah, said absolue

2344
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:32,720
Speaker 6: that you can share.

2345
02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:39,360
Speaker 8: Yes, email email June sixteenth, I sent a very long

2346
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:43,080
Speaker 8: email describing exactly that to the leadership. Said, Hey, here's

2347
02:05:43,120 --> 02:05:46,520
Speaker 8: my conditions, the signal messages, all of the things that

2348
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:50,600
Speaker 8: they have. Mind you, GHF has all of this, and

2349
02:05:50,640 --> 02:05:53,960
Speaker 8: in their little twenty nine July and then for August

2350
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:57,080
Speaker 8: presser they provide none of it. They have it, but

2351
02:05:57,120 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 8: I will gladly provide that as well.

2352
02:05:59,320 --> 02:05:59,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2353
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:00,840
Speaker 6: I know you went over a lot of this with

2354
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:04,120
Speaker 6: crystalin Sager earlier. But yeah, any anything, an additional that

2355
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:06,360
Speaker 6: you have I think would be valuable context as this

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Speaker 6: few deepens.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, my position on it is that you know, many

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Speaker 8: many may have seen and I think moments I mean

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Speaker 8: not moments, but probably an hour before it happened. I talked,

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Speaker 8: I talked to you Ryan there in the studio when

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Speaker 8: I went to protest Congress. I don't have a a

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Speaker 8: feud or an interest in Gods of Humanitarian Foundation or

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Speaker 8: UG solutions or safety solutions. My concerns are that the

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Speaker 8: United States government is funding a program through a private contractor,

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Speaker 8: mind you, a private contractor where there's no impunity and

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Speaker 8: no oversight for the United States government. But we've given

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Speaker 8: them thirty million dollars to be a part of what

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Speaker 8: is clearly clearly a part of the the displacement plan

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Speaker 8: of the population of Gaza as as the IDF attack

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Speaker 8: north from the nets are in. They're doing it right now,

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Speaker 8: Operation Gideon's Chariots two. The bombing that right now in

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Speaker 8: northern Gaza, Phase one alpha of phase three in the

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Speaker 8: operation of clearing Gaza City is to destroy every high

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Speaker 8: rise structure. It's exactly what they're doing as all of

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Speaker 8: the people that are that are being displaced out of

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Speaker 8: the north, there's nowhere for them to go. There's nowhere,

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Speaker 8: there's no encampments left in central Gaza, there's nowhere left

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Speaker 8: for them to live. So they are all being forced

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Speaker 8: down the coastal corridor, a twenty kilometer forced march, a

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Speaker 8: death march, if you will, down to the south to

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Speaker 8: be received by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation to be put

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Speaker 8: in these encampments. And these encampments have no running water

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Speaker 8: and no electricity city and have no protections from the environment.

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Speaker 8: They aren't run by anyone from the United Nations that

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Speaker 8: has any expertise in how to run an in displaced

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Speaker 8: person's camp. And not only are these in displaced persons,

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Speaker 8: this one in displaced person's camp, not in locations where

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Speaker 8: these people live. It's completely in the south. So now

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Speaker 8: the entire population of Gaza is being concentrated in the

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Speaker 8: south into an encampment, and that encampment is being guarded

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Speaker 8: and run by the GHF. The United States government, the

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Speaker 8: United States Congress cannot allow one what is happening at

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Speaker 8: all in Gaza with the war and how it's being fought,

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Speaker 8: this is no longer a war. Two that we are

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Speaker 8: directly involved, that American taxpayers money is directly involved in

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Speaker 8: the displacement scheme to displace the entire population. And this

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Speaker 8: is not something that is for us to consider weeks

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Speaker 8: or months from now. They are doing this every day.

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Speaker 8: They will have before the eighteenth of September, when the

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Speaker 8: one year edict for them to stop what they're doing.

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Speaker 8: Based on what the ICJ is put in place, there

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Speaker 8: won't be anything to go back and hold anybody accountable for,

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Speaker 8: because it'll all be gone by the twenty third of September,

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Speaker 8: the day that the UN has established to be the day,

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Speaker 8: the Palestinian Day, where Western leaders will stand at the

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Speaker 8: podium and say we recognize a Palestinian state. Israel is

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Speaker 8: already banking on the fact that there's not going to

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Speaker 8: be a Palestinian state to recognize. And the Gods of

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Speaker 8: Humanitarian Foundation is the executor of that real estate, if

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Speaker 8: you will. The Gods of Humanitarian Foundation, that is this

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Speaker 8: cloak and dagger American conglomerate led by a Christian Zionist,

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Speaker 8: is who the United States government is giving tax dollars to.

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Speaker 8: We're we're so complicit in this. It's so dirty. And anybody,

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Speaker 8: I think anybody out there can take five minutes and

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Speaker 8: listen to a GHF press conference and realize that they're

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Speaker 8: getting sold a bunch of lies.

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Speaker 6: And if they want to take a listen to the

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Speaker 6: hour long interview that we did with as you said,

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Speaker 6: mister Chape and Fay, which you know, we'll put a

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Speaker 6: link to that. If you're watching this on YouTube, put

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Speaker 6: a link to that under this.

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Speaker 2: We'll actually, I think we're going to package it all

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Speaker 2: together so that people have his interview and your interview

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Speaker 2: all in one piece. And Anthony, we thank you very

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Speaker 2: much once again for your time today.

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Speaker 8: Thank you both. I appreciate everything you do. And I

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Speaker 8: hope I hope that in the future, mister Chapin fan

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Speaker 8: the GHF would like to have a joint conversation. I

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Speaker 8: would I would love that. I think there would be

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Speaker 8: a lot of value in that. And I think that

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Speaker 8: Americans need to be concerned in thinking that a that

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Speaker 8: a humanitarian organization is conducting rescue missions and biometrics in

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Speaker 8: Gaza as tourists. That's concerning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you again, Anthony, and we'll speak with you

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Speaker 2: again soon.

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Speaker 8: Thank you. You all have a great day, all right.

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Speaker 2: Guys, thank you so much for sitting through both of

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Speaker 2: those interviews. You can hear what Chape and Fay had

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Speaker 2: to say, you can hear what Anthony had to say

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Speaker 2: about both of their claims altogether, and you know, take

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Speaker 2: it in context also with the news that we cover

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Speaker 2: on this show and that you guys are consuming every

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Speaker 2: single day. So thank you so much for those of

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Speaker 2: you who support the show and give us the opportunity

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02:11:38,360 --> 02:11:41,440
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Speaker 2: our journalism. Here, Ryan any lasts us from you.

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Speaker 6: No, that was interesting back and forth, and you know,

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Speaker 6: I hope. It's true that what Shape and Fay says

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Speaker 6: that they actually support allowing a flood of humanitarian aid

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Speaker 6: and allowing you and other humanitarian aid groups back in

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Speaker 6: to have him effectively saying that on the record cuts

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Speaker 6: against you know, what they've been arguing, you know, cut

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Speaker 6: cuts against what Israel has been arguing in the ceasefire negotiations,

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Speaker 6: which dropsight actually just just right now published exclusively this

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Speaker 6: the hundred word ceasefire proposal that Trump has and Trump

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Speaker 6: has made that we're told that Israel is supportive of that.

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Speaker 6: You can you can check that out, but basically saying

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Speaker 6: sixty day pause, the all hostages and prisoners released, you know,

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Speaker 6: within the within the first day or so, some agreed

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Speaker 6: upon number of Palestinians would be released, and that Trump

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Speaker 6: himself would guarantee the next you know, would guarantee that

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Speaker 6: the ceasefire would hold while while both parties negotiated in

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Speaker 6: good faith toward a long term ceasefire. And one of

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Speaker 6: the critical sources of disagreement is the role of GHF

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Speaker 6: and the role of you and other humanitarian aid works

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Speaker 6: in getting aid into kazasof It's true that Chape and

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Speaker 6: Fay as the spokesperson for GHF is saying that they

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Speaker 6: are willing to step aside, then I don't understand how

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Speaker 6: the United States and Israel can continue to demand that

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Speaker 6: they stay if they're willing to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very very interesting. I think a lot came out

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Speaker 2: of that conversation. To be parted, Ryan, thank you, Thank

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Speaker 2: you guys so much for watching soccer, and I will

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Speaker 2: be back with a normal, typical breaking point show tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: so that will see you then,